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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema rewind.

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Speaker 2: This is Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick, and ooh,

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Speaker 2: we are bringing you a classic. This is one of

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Speaker 2: my favorite older episodes of the show. It is psychomania.

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Speaker 2: Is there a genre better than supernatural biker films?

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that there is, and this says within

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Speaker 1: that subgenre, one of, if not the absolute best.

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Speaker 3: I smell exhaust, the hot breath of devils in the

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Speaker 3: fog of dawn, the noise of a great cat purring

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Speaker 3: underneath the earth and mound They're waking up. Can you

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Speaker 3: see it through the mist? Pale sprigs of mistletoe entwined

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Speaker 3: with greasy drive chains. The high Priest watches his reflection

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Speaker 3: stretch to absurdity across the curve of the mirrored chrome.

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Speaker 3: He is as tall as the cliffs. He is as

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Speaker 3: long as the worm of dreams. The purring of the

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Speaker 3: cat grows deafening. The Priest's grin is wild. With that

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Speaker 3: twist of his hand, flexing the wrist. Is he wringing

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Speaker 3: a hen's neck to adorn the altar of spring? Or

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Speaker 3: is this the spell that brings the iron hog to life?

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema.

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Speaker 2: This is Rob Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick and Rob.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited today. I'm so excited because you out there.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you've been listening to Weird House Cinema

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Speaker 2: that we love our employe genre crossover films. One of

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Speaker 2: my favorite examples we've done so far is the niche

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Speaker 2: subgenre represented by our back catalog entry Santo and The

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Speaker 2: Treasure of Dracula. Of course that would be the supernatural

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Speaker 2: wrestling film. Well, today we're finally doing a supernatural biker film,

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Speaker 2: a niche subgenre that really holds a strong, powerful revving

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Speaker 2: place in my heart. It gets my motor running. I

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Speaker 2: love it. I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this one, this one is a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: And it'd been on my list to watch for a while.

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Speaker 1: I know you've been talking about it for years, and

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Speaker 1: we occasionally talk about biker films and supernatural biker films,

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Speaker 1: but I had not actually watched it till this week,

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Speaker 1: and it was just a total delight, just such a

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Speaker 1: wonderfully weird film and delightfully so.

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Speaker 2: Now you have seen other supernatural biker movies, right, like

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Speaker 2: you've seen were Wolves on Wheels.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, were Wolves on Wheels a very American supernatural

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Speaker 1: biker film from the the same time period. But this

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Speaker 1: is a very British film we're talking about here today.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, were Rolls on Wheels is a grosser, sweatier,

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Speaker 2: more guttural American western style supernatural biker film. This supernatural

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Speaker 2: know has the English morning fog on its back today.

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Speaker 2: The movie we're talking about is the nineteen seventy three

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Speaker 2: British supernatural biker movie Psychomania aka The Death Wheelers. And

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Speaker 2: so whenever you have a great genre crossover movie, you

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Speaker 2: want to identify, like what are the mainstreams feeding into this?

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Speaker 2: And Robie, if you disagree, let me know. But I

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Speaker 2: think the main two things we're getting as inputs here are,

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Speaker 2: on one hand, outlaw biker movies, which we can talk

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Speaker 2: then the other hand would be like British witchcraft horror

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think those are probably the two primary influences.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's also worth noting the Avengers DNA.

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Speaker 1: In this we have some people connected to The Avengers

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Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't think about that input at all because

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Speaker 2: I've never actually seen The Avengers, though I know what

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Speaker 2: it is. This is very different than Marvel's The Avengers.

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Speaker 2: This is the British TV show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the one that was eventually made into one of

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Speaker 1: Sean Connery's last films, if not his last film, one

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Another way of thinking about this movie is, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Yes, now. I often turned to Michael Weldon's psychotronic video

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Speaker 1: we we we we turned to UH. Sometimes I discover

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Speaker 1: one of He basically kicks off his review of Psychomania

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Speaker 1: by saying incredible. To say the.

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Speaker 1: Now I want to I want to put a note

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Speaker 1: not actually sure what Psychomania means in context of this film,

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Speaker 1: film titled Psychomania that was released in nineteen sixty three,

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Speaker 1: That nineteen sixty three movie is just a murder picture.

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Speaker 1: The nineteen seventy three Psychomania is so much more. And

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Speaker 1: Outlaw motorcycle clubs began to form in the late nineteen

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know that one.

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Speaker 1: so I may have to investigate further. But today's picture

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Speaker 2: Without a doubt. If you want to watch supernatural biker

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Speaker 2: Creation, so which Shakespeare was based on you.

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Speaker 1: Like, well, the basic bones of it. They tried to

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Speaker 1: Yes him, Yes, okay, Yeah, he's basically Hamlet. They set

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what has there been lately that really counts? I

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and listen to the trailer, and I think,

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Speaker 6: They were just ordinary troublemakers as long as they lived,

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Speaker 6: unleashing an unholy reign of terror that holds an entire

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Speaker 5: Psychomania everybody dies, stand there, some come back.

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Speaker 2: How do the dead come back?

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Speaker 7: When you die, you've got to believe that you're going

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Speaker 5: You can only die once after that nothing and nobody

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Speaker 7: You must stop him?

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Speaker 6: Psychoma what happened?

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Speaker 6: And you know what you will become, yes, and that

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Speaker 5: You can only die once. After that, nothing and nobody

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Speaker 2: One thing about this movie is it's just so British.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's an interesting twist if you've if you're used

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Speaker 2: I guess the kinds of things you would see with

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, bait, yeah, organized crime, smuggling, things like that.

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Speaker 1: You don't see a lot of, say, New York Times

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Speaker 1: But this reminds me. I was reading an interview or

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Speaker 2: Ah, that's perfect. Oh no, oh no, the kids getting

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Speaker 2: bad idea. They're imitating an act of violence they saw

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Speaker 1: Well, it comes back to this idea of the motorcycle Club,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at least I guess it wasn't violence against people.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the great things about this film though,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, name calling and traffic, just minor assaults on the

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Speaker 2: Also murder, so it's murder or like pulling up beside

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Speaker 2: So there's a movie from the seventies called Nicholas and

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Speaker 1: I looked at some screenshots of it. It looks pretty great. Yeah. Now,

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Speaker 2: Are Oh okay, some things are coming together here, Hammer,

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Speaker 1: Arnaud Dessau, who lived nineteen sixteen through nineteen ninety, American

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Speaker 2: Whoa wait, wait wait wait wait wait. Is this the

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Speaker 1: And there's also some sort of like sort of a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's actually an older episode of stuff to

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Speaker 1: another American, I believe. Zim It also worked on Horror

434
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: Express and various pictures to the forties, fifties, sixties and seventies,

435
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: this being his final film credit.

436
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: Now, the main character in this film, I guess you

437
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: could argue about who the main character is. But one

438
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: of the main characters is a very naughty motorcycle youth

439
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: named Tom Latham. And he's played by an actor named

440
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: Nicki Henson.

441
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nicki Henson, who's certainly an actor I've seen before,

442
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: but I really wasn't that familiar with him. He lived

443
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: nineteen forty five through twenty nineteen, British actor with a

444
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: long career in British film and television. And I'd say

445
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 1: the big titles worth mentioning are two thousand and five's Syriana.

446
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: This was a film with George Clooney in it. He

447
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: also did three episodes of Dalton abby So your Dalton

448
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: Abbey viewers, if you remember a character named Charles Griggs,

449
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: that's our NICKI.

450
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: I had to go ask Rachel who if she remembered

451
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: who he was in the show, and she did figure

452
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 2: out who he was, but now I can't remember what

453
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 2: she told me.

454
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife did not remember this character. But I

455
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: looked up a scene with him, and he looks fun

456
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: and I think he plays into the theater or something

457
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: in it. So, oh wait.

458
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: Yes, now I remember what it is. Okay, I think

459
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: if I recall correctly, she said that he is a

460
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: former vaudeville performing partner with like the head butler guy

461
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: at the at the house, at the at the manor,

462
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: and every and he comes back and he like threatens

463
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: or something. He says like he's like, if you don't

464
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: pay me money, I'm gonna let everybody know that you

465
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: used to be a stage performer and that you weren't

466
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: always so so civilized.

467
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, yeah, the clip I looked at it

468
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: looked fine. It looks like a fun performance worthy of

469
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: an actor who certainly had a had a very dramatic

470
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: voice when he wanted to.

471
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Speaker 2: Though in this movie, I mean, he's perfect for the role.

472
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: I love him in this, but he's he does he's

473
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: not He's not playing it in a serious way. This

474
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: entire performance is one incredibly extended smirk.

475
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. There's one sequence where he is

476
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: afraid and frightened and seems to oh that's true, yeah, yeah,

477
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: but then he gets over that really quickly. Now, he

478
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: was also on east Enders, which I think a lot

479
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: of British actors were, But he was also in such

480
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: genre pictures as sixty eight's Which Finder General, which came

481
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: up a second ago, and then also that one was

482
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: one that starred Vincent Price, and I think I've alluded

483
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: to Vincent Price's facial hair in that before.

484
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: Because the Gandalf from the Soviet Lord of the Rings

485
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: looked like witch Finder General exactly.

486
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. But also Nicki Hinson was in seventy four's Old Dracula,

487
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: starring David Niven as Old Dracula. I have not seen it,

488
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: but it sounds sounds interesting.

489
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: Was the premise there wasn't Dracula already old?

490
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: I think? But now he's even older. I don't know,

491
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: but clearly I think you're running out of Dracula ideas

492
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: just when you bust out a old Dracula. I don't know.

493
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: Maybe it's great, and I just I'm not giving it

494
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: a chance.

495
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: It's like that Key and Peel skit with the pitch

496
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: meeting for Grimlins too. They're just coming up with different

497
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: ideas for Dracula. What about electricity Dracula? How about old Dracula.

498
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: Old Dracula. It's in the movie Vegetable Dracula. Yeah, But

499
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Speaker 1: Nicki Hinson, he's good in this. Like you say, it's

500
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: largely one note except for the one scene, but he's

501
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: very charismatic. He's dressed in leather the whole time. He

502
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: has this kind of like a big chest, narrow waste

503
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: thing going on. So he has this youthful vigor to

504
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: him that really works in the role.

505
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: He has a great Nigel Toughnell mullet.

506
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, there's a lot of great early seventies hair

507
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: in this picture. Longside burns everything all right. So he

508
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: plays Tom Latham. But his character's mother is also an

509
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: important character. This is Miss Latham, played by Beryl Reed,

510
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: who lived nineteen nineteen through nineteen ninety six. An acclaimed

511
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: British stage actor. She won a nineteen sixty seven Tony

512
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: Award for Best Actress in in the play The Killing

513
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: of Sister George. She was also in the film with

514
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: adaptation of that play, and other credits include the original

515
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy TV series or perhaps limited mini

516
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: series that starred Alec Guinness, and she was also in

517
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty three Gram Chapman pirate film yellow Beard.

518
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Speaker 2: Now, before we started recording today, we were talking about

519
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: a song, a folk song that I really love, is

520
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: one of my favorites, called nineteen fifty two vincent black

521
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: Lightning by the British singer songwriter Richard Thompson. It's a

522
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: wonderful song, but it is a song about a red

523
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: headed girl who falls in love with a bad motorcycle

524
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Speaker 2: boy and then when he dies from a shotgun blast

525
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: to the chest, he gives her his motorcycle to ride,

526
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: his nineteen fifty two vincent black Lightning. And immediately I

527
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: thought of this movie because this is a movie about

528
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Speaker 2: a red headed girl who's in love with a bad

529
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: motorcycle boy who dies.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the character is Abby Holme and she's played by

531
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Speaker 1: the actor Mary Larkin. Is was an Irish actor, did

532
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: a fair amount of film and TV work. Nothing that

533
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: really stands out to me personally in her filmography, but

534
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: I think British TV viewers may have some notes for

535
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: us on this. But she has a very nice film

536
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: presence in this motion picture. I'll also say, I want

537
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: to point this out. Her name is Abby and you

538
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: frequently get reminded of this because she has a leather jacket.

539
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: She's in the gang and she has her name on it.

540
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: And I love a movie that has name tags. It

541
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 1: was a lot easier to keep track of everybody in

542
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: this film. I wish more pictures had name tags like this.

543
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: What's the scene where for most of the movie you

544
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: don't hear most of the names of the characters the

545
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: biker gang, But then there's one scene where undead Tom

546
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: is just looking at all of them, one in a

547
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: row and saying their names, and the sequence is hilarious.

548
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: It's something he says something like gash Hatchet, Bertram yep.

549
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Speaker 1: Chopped Meat is another uh huh yep. I think chop

550
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Speaker 1: Meat is the folk singer of the group. If I'm

551
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: not mistaken. Really, Yeah, I mean I don't think the

552
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: actor was actually a folk singer. But there's a scene

553
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: later on where we get a folk song and I

554
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: think chop meat out of his leather jacket is the

555
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: one that's supposed to be playing that song. Could be wrong.

556
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: It's such a gentle tune. You wouldn't think that that

557
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: it comes from the mind of a crazed motorcycle killer.

558
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: Well, that's a scene where they're mostly dressed like hippies,

559
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: as if the film is trying to say all of

560
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: us have within us, both the hippie and the biker,

561
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: both the peace loving hippie and the necromantic, druid biker Wraith.

562
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: These are both aspects of the same human soul.

563
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: The peaceful artist whose very voice is love, and then

564
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: the motorcycle nightmare who will run you down on the motorway.

565
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: Yes. Now, if Abby is the good girl in this

566
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: the bad girl is Jane, played by ann Anne Michelle.

567
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: I believe her name was born nineteen fifty two. Other

568
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: credits include House of rip Chord from seventy four, Haunted

569
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: from seventy seven, and interestingly enough, this actor was once

570
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: married to a professional British motorcycle racer by the name

571
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: of Richard may So. Normally not really worth mentioning what actors'

572
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: spouses did, but in this case I found that interesting.

573
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: She's also fantastic in this because much like Nicki Henson,

574
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: she has a smirk that mocks life itself.

575
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, she is, like I said, she's the bad girl

576
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: on this. She does not really question the whole necromancy

577
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 1: scheme that becomes central to the plot. She embraces it

578
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: early on. Right now, we're not going to go through

579
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: all the actors playing all the bikers, you know, like

580
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: Chop Mead and Horsecrop and so forth. But Bertram was

581
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: played by this actor by the name of Roy Holder

582
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: born nineteen forty six and I believe still alive. Another

583
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: actor with solid British TV and film credits, including two

584
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: thousand and one's Warhorse, Ridley Scott's Robin Hood from twenty

585
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: eleven and various big TV series like east Enders, Coronation Street,

586
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: Pride and Prejudice, Sense and Sensibility, etc. He played the

587
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: character Krelper, a gun runner who worked for a mercenary

588
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: who worked for another villain named Morgas on four episodes

589
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: of Doctor Who in the nineteen eighties, and he plays

590
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: Enoch in the star studied nineteen seventy seven Jesus of

591
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: Nazareth mini series. Okay, I don't think I've seen this,

592
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: but I long remember seeing it on video shelves as

593
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: a kid. It's the one with like the kind of

594
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: a big eyed Jesus on the front.

595
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not sure I know which one this is.

596
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: Well, it's worth looking up just to see who I

597
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: was in it. It was again a star studied project,

598
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: a huge Jesus movie. Okay, all right. We have a

599
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: police inspector in this film, representing law and order.

600
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: Hate the law, you know, no respect for it.

601
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. The chief inspector in this is played by Robert Hardy,

602
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: who lived nineteen twenty five through twenty seventeen. This is

603
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: Cornelius Fudge himself from the Harry Pot films.

604
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't remember who that is. Who's Cornelius Fudge.

605
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: Oh he was the head of the Ministry of Magic.

606
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: I was sort of like the President of the Wizards

607
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: or something.

608
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, but I mean it's like, it's basically like,

609
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: this is an actor who played authority, British authority, figures. Well, yeah,

610
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: and so in this he plays one, and in Harry

611
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: Potter he played a different one.

612
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. He disapproves of your behavior, whatever it is.

613
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was also in Ang Lee's nineteen ninety five

614
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: Cents in Sensibility. He was on All Creatures Great and Small.

615
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: And he sure played Churchill a lot. I saw Churchill

616
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: popping up a lot of his filmography. Yeah. He was

617
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: also in a seventy two demon possession film titled Demons

618
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: of the Mind.

619
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Speaker 2: Now, another big connection here is that this bizarre, undead

620
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: biker horror movie was the last film of the legendary

621
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: actor George Sanders.

622
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: Yes, George Sanders playing Shadwell the Butler. Though we suspect

623
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: he is much more.

624
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: Than a butler, the warlock Butler.

625
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. He lived nineteen oho through nineteen seventy two, so

626
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: he died the same year this film rap production. Apparently.

627
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: English actor known for major roles in the forties and

628
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: fifties pictures like All About Eve, Rebecca, The Picture of

629
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: Dorian Gray, and man Hunt. Later audiences might know him

630
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: best for his voice in Walt Disney's The Jungle Book.

631
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: You know, the old animated jungle Book. He is the

632
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: voice of Sheer Khan the Tiger.

633
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: I think the talking voice, not the singing voice, is there, right.

634
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's different different credits on those, but the

635
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: talking voice is definitely Sanders. He also played mister Freeze

636
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: in the first two appearances of that character in the

637
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: old Batman series.

638
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: Perfect.

639
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were a couple of other notable actors who

640
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: played that same character. It's a real lightning rod for

641
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: talent that show. Because Vincent Price also popped up on Batman.

642
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: Oh, I forgot about that. Who did he play? Was

643
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: he the Riddler or something?

644
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: No, No, that would have been great. Now he played Egghead.

645
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: This character was just a giant egghead.

646
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: I've forgotten.

647
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's terrible. It's terrible.

648
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Speaker 2: Okay, It's like, should we do a digression here about

649
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: how bad most of the Batman villains are almost all

650
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: you know what. In fact, they're like the Grimlins once

651
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: again in that Gremlins pitch meeting sketch, because they're all

652
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: like I remember this when I was playing one of

653
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: those Batman video games years ago that allows you to

654
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: sort of like collect a catalog of who all the

655
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: villains are, and you got the big ones, you all know,

656
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 2: the Joker and the Riddler and all that. I don't

657
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 2: know if the Riddler is different enough from the Joker,

658
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: but anyway, once you get into the second tier of

659
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: Batman villains, it's all just like clock Man. He is

660
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 2: obsessed with clocks and kills people with schemes that resemble clocks.

661
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: You know, Mad Hatter, who is obsessed with the Mad

662
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: Hatter character in Alice in Wonderland. They're all like extremely literal.

663
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: They're all you know, electricity grimlin one.

664
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is, it's like that. It's like,

665
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, electricity criminal, Riddle criminal, clock criminal. Because essentially,

666
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: like Batman is a detective, he solves crimes. He needs

667
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: a criminal to go up against. But you have to

668
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: put these at least these spins on them and uh

669
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: and of course, over time, various creative minds have found

670
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: interesting ways to make those ideas more potent. Take mister

671
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: Freeze for example, Like Freeze criminal is not a very

672
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: interesting concept, but certainly by the time of the like

673
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: the animated Batman series.

674
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

675
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, when we were kids, you know, they ice, Yeah,

676
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: they found ways to make this just a tragic and

677
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: romantic figure and just a fascinating character with cool, freezing

678
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: criminal powers.

679
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: Right. Oh, I want to be clear, I'm not dissing

680
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: doctor Freeze especially or mister Freeze. Even though he is

681
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: a doctor. He goes by mister Freeze, even though he

682
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: has a PhD.

683
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: Well, you know, he takes that do no harm thing seriously,

684
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: I guess, or I don't know, or a PhD, no idea,

685
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: But he's when he's freezing, he's mister Freeze.

686
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: Right exactly. That's his yeah, off off the clock.

687
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is this is George Sanders's last picture,

688
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: and by all accounts, he was not in a good

689
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: place at this point in his life, probably not performing

690
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: at his peak. But he's still a great presence in

691
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: the film. You know, he's still he still creates some

692
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: magic on the screen.

693
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: Robi. I know you always like to talk about the music,

694
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: and the music in this movie is one of the

695
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: big selling points. There are some great folk songs in it.

696
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: There's some great psychedelic guitar. It's all over the place.

697
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a little bit funky in places. There's

698
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: some I guess what he got like fuzz tone rock

699
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: notes in it. It's yeah, it's a wonderful score and

700
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: this is definitely a score that's available and has long

701
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: been available in various formats. It is the work of

702
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: John Cameron born nineteen forty four, British composer, arranger, conductor

703
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: and musician. He did a number of film scores for

704
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: various pictures over the years. One that stuck out to me,

705
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: and this may not be his crowning achievement. I don't

706
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: remember what the music was like in this, but nineteen

707
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: ninety two's Frankenstein starring Randy Quaid as the Monster and

708
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: Patrick Bergen as the Doctor. This one I think debuted

709
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: on TNT on cable back when I was a kid,

710
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: and I may have mentioned on the show before because

711
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: when this came out and was like, yeah, this is

712
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: this is Frankenstein.

713
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: This is not the first time you've brought this one up.

714
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: In fact, you've brought it up almost to scold me

715
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: for like making jokes about Randy Quaid.

716
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: No, you can joke about Randy Quaid all you want.

717
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: In terms of his acting though Randy Quaid, I have

718
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: found him quite good in a few different pictures and

719
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: this was one of him playing playing the monster. But

720
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: as for the music, yeah, this is This is really

721
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: good stuff from Cameron. You know, we'll talk about the

722
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: folk ballot in a bit. Originally, the tracks off of

723
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: this score, witch Hunt and Living Dead were actually released

724
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: as a single on vinyl, with Cameron taking on the

725
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: moniker of frog.

726
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: Hmm, now there is a major frog in this movie.

727
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: I honestly could not understand what the magical significance of

728
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: the frog was. Maybe you can help me understand that

729
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: as we talk about the plot a little bit more. Yeah, yeah,

730
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: look at it as a froggy film. The Psychomania gets froggy.

731
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. But before we move forward, though, first, let's have

732
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: a let's have just another sample of that music, the

733
00:40:31,960 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: score to Psychomania. Yeah, it's so good. It's so good.

734
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: I'm feeling the last vestiges of respect for law and

735
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: humanity fading away. I am about to go out and

736
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: do evil, do exactly as I will.

737
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: Well, let's go ahead and talk about the film. Let's

738
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: get into the plot, because this one has it's against

739
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: so many weird elements it's really worth dwelling on.

740
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: Well, so the very opening is just divine. I love

741
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 2: the first few minutes of this movie. It's once again

742
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: druids on wheels. It's just bikers doing slow mo stunts

743
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: in the grass amidst an ancient stone circle while this

744
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: acid wizard guitar music just drips in the background. I love, love,

745
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: love this. Filmmakers out there, if you want to make

746
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 2: movies today that I will just like gush about incessantly.

747
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: Get this vibe, recreate it, make more of this kind

748
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: of thing. I believe that the setting here, so you know,

749
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: they're riding around doing bike stunts at a stone circle.

750
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: I think this is supposed to be at a place

751
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: called Avebury Hinge, at least according to some not super

752
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 2: authoritative looking articles I was reading, so I'm not certain

753
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: about this. But if this is supposed to be Avebury Hinge,

754
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: that is a Neolithic stone monument site much like Stone Hinge.

755
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: This one's in the southwest of England, and I'm not

756
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: sure if they are actually truly gunning their hogs through

757
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: the real megaliths or if this is a set made

758
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: to look like it. If it is a set, I'm impressed,

759
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 2: like it looks pretty convincing. They may actually have been

760
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: ripping me through a priceless forty five hundred year old

761
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: ritual site.

762
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: I can't tell, but these scenes are impressive. It sets

763
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: the tone for the picture.

764
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, so slow mo bike jumps, cross, sing

765
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: in and out. I imagine they were probably actually going

766
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: at pretty low speed, but then by playing it back

767
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 2: in slow motion, you can create the impression that at

768
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: full speed they would have been doing something incredibly dangerous.

769
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: So this is the biker gang at the heart of

770
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: the movie. They're known as the Living Dead. I adore

771
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 2: their outfits. They've got these skull helmets and they all

772
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: wear black leather motorcycle gear except for Jane, who wears

773
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: red leather and white gloves. And these are just some bad,

774
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: bad English youths whose brains have been defiled by overdoses

775
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: of black leather, carbon monoxide and moral nihilism. They do

776
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,479
Speaker 2: what they want and they care not for man's law.

777
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, these outfits are incredible. If you haven't seen clips

778
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: from this film, look it up because the design and

779
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: the biker helmets just looks great. Again, it looks like

780
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: a skull. And then they're wearing most of them again

781
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: are wearing head to toe black leather and it says

782
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: of course living dead on the back. And then they

783
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: have their name tags on the front.

784
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: Or yeah, name tags, yeah, yeah, which is a great

785
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: thing for criminals to have, right. So the first thing

786
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: we see them doing is just dangerously harassing people driving

787
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: on the on the on the back, you know, the

788
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: country roads. And I think they actually kill a guy

789
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: like that, or at least they knock him out like

790
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: they they scare him until he's in an accident and

791
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: is thrown from his vehicle. So they're just out just

792
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: randomly murdering innocent people. And they've got their names on

793
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 2: their clothes.

794
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. This film mostly has a very sanitized view of

795
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: how death works because mostly things happen, people become very

796
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: still and they are dead. Yeah, it's weirdly sanitized for

797
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: a film that is otherwise, you know, just on paper

798
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: is obsessed with death.

799
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a bloody movie. It's actually it's it's

800
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: it's very clean. Yeah. And there are a number, like

801
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: pretty much all outlaw biker films. You've got to have

802
00:44:55,160 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: just these scenes of the characters being lawless, dangerous and

803
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: harassing other people. I would call these scenes to take

804
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: a coinage from Polly Walnuts may Ham. You know, you've

805
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: got to have your Mayhem sequences and so that's what

806
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 2: we get right at the get go. They go straight

807
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: from the stone Circle stunts to riding around doing mayhem.

808
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: And so the leader played by Nicki Henson is this

809
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: guy named Tom Latham. I already mentioned that he is

810
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: sort of like Nigel Toughnell of Spinal Tap, but I

811
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: would describe him as a cross between Nigel Toughnell and

812
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: Malcolm McDowell at a clockwork orange picture, those two in

813
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 2: a venn diagram. And then you've got Tom.

814
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot more likable, more likable than perhaps

815
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: any Malcolm McDowell character has that sure.

816
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

817
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: Now, of course, this being a biker film, there are

818
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: lots of shots of bikers biking. One thing that sets

819
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: us apart from let's say, less well crafted biker films.

820
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: And I've seen of these where sometimes you'll have the

821
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: camera set up and you'll just watch the bikers approach

822
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: for like a mile in the desert, you.

823
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, wererolls on wheels? Does that yet?

824
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, where it's just like, wow, we're really gonna watch

825
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: this for a while. They set up this shot and

826
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna see all of it. But and

827
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: there's maybe like one shot in this where it felt

828
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: like it went on a bit long, but otherwise they

829
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: did a good job of just giving us interesting footage

830
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: of our gang terrorizing the roads.

831
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: So a sin that is often committed by B movies

832
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: is padding, trying to insert extra stuff to pad out

833
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: the run time and get to full feature length. That

834
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: is a thing I would not accuse this movie of.

835
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a lot of padding. I think

836
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: it moves at a pretty nice pace and there's not

837
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: a lot of just watching people drive around with no purpose.

838
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if I think if some people were confused

839
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: by the film and they might say, well, maybe we

840
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: needed more of the film to explain these things, I

841
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: think that I think that would be the wrong instinct,

842
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of stuff, like the frogs, that

843
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: we don't completely understand. There's a cryptic nature to it,

844
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: and I feel like that is how it should be.

845
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: Given the magic that's taking place here. We're not supposed

846
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: to understand frog necromancy. It is supposed to be a

847
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: mystery to us.

848
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: I almost forgot about the frogs. We got to talk

849
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 2: about the frog So they do the mayhem at the beginning,

850
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: and then the next scene is we get Tom and Abby.

851
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: Abby is another member of the gang, and Tom is

852
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 2: her boyfriend, and they're hanging out in a graveyard and

853
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: Tom catches a frog in the graveyard and he says, hello,

854
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 2: little green friend and Abby. It's funny because Abby seems

855
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: like she does not really belong in this gang. She

856
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 2: just seems like an extremely nice young lady who would

857
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: not be out doing highway murders. The rest of the

858
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: gang are obviously these immoral, lawless creeps, and Abby just

859
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: seems like she's just a nice girl. So I'm not

860
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: sure what's going on there, but it makes sense because

861
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: she's she I think eventually becomes the main character. And

862
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: you're only five minutes into the movie before Tom is

863
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: saying to Abby, let's do it. Let's kill ourselves and

864
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: become some kind of cursed undead monsters, and Abby's like, oh, Tom,

865
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: not that again. So apparently he brings this up all

866
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: the time every time they get together. He's like, what

867
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: do you say, let's become undead? Yeah, And it's also

868
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: kind of strange how much she seems to take this

869
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: in stride, like she's just like, oh, that's silly, not

870
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 2: like it doesn't really bother her.

871
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but clearly, yeah, he talks about it a lot.

872
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: This is his thing, like it was probably I don't

873
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: know if they had yearbooks in Britain at this time,

874
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: but if they had one, he would be most likely

875
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: to destroy oneself and become an undead monster.

876
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: Right. So Tom goes back to his house, which is

877
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 2: a gigantic mansion. Wouldn't you know it, This good for

878
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: nothing modo Rascal is actually a posh rich kid, and

879
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: so they're at the house. You find out his family,

880
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: only I don't know how it was to explain the

881
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 2: family situation. So the family is him and his mother

882
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 2: and their butler, Shadwell, and his mother and Shadwell seem

883
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: to be into evil magic. They're into the occult. They

884
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: do seances and other occult stuff in the house. And

885
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 2: Tom's father has passed away because it's implied he tried

886
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: to do some kind of dangerous evil ritual and failed

887
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: and died in the process.

888
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: Right, and possibly like permanently warped a room in their

889
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: house with foul magic from beyond. Again, not completely explained,

890
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: and I don't want the film to explain it more.

891
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: I like that it's so cryptic but yeah, this is

892
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: a weird house in a weird family setting because Shadwell

893
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: is not really he's the butler. He's not, he's not

894
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: his father. But he also there's a there's clear from

895
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: the very beginning that Shadwell is not just a butler.

896
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: There is there's a power to him, there's knowledge there,

897
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: and he's he's only so involved in the actual affairs

898
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: of the family. Like I noticed that a lot of times,

899
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: maybe in a very sort of proper English butler way,

900
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: one of them will express an emotion and he'll comment

901
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: upon it, but he's not really expressing an opinion one

902
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: way or the other.

903
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: Yes, the circumspect removed a jeeves ish editorial position. Yeah,

904
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 2: I mean he's like Jeeves, but if Jeeves were an

905
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: ancient druid warlock.

906
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, because ultimately we come to learn that he

907
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: is either some sort of an ancient druid warlock or

908
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: perhaps something worse, perhaps a demon or the devil himself

909
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: or something something from beyond. I don't know. It could

910
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: go either way, but there's a lot more to Shadwell

911
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: than just butlering.

912
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: So Tom gets home with this frog that he caught

913
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: in the graveyard and he's like, He's like, Okay, I

914
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: want to know the secret of the living Dead, and

915
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: I guess Shadwell is like, Okay, maybe he should know,

916
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: maybe not, but the frog seems significant. Can you explain

917
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 2: the frog to me? I've seen this movie multiple times

918
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: and I don't understand the relationship between the frog and

919
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 2: the power to come back from the dead.

920
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't really have a clear answer. But we

921
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: see actual frogs. We see, of course, the wonderful frog

922
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: amulet that comes up that when it first appeared on screen,

923
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: I audibly gasped it was.

924
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, to behold wonderful jewelry. So Tom's mother

925
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: is like, should we tell him the secret of the

926
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: living Dead? It could be dangerous for him, And Shadwell's like,

927
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: it won't be dangerous for him if he's protected with this.

928
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: And then he gets out this necklace that's got a

929
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: frog on it.

930
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: And I think Shadwell has a ring with the frog

931
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: on it as well. And then oh, and then there's

932
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: the like the frog from Beyond. There's like a dreamlike

933
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: sequence involving a mirror that casts no reflection, and within

934
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: that smoking mirror of a cult weirdness, we see the

935
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: form of a frog. So I don't know if like

936
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: that is the form of the force from beyond? Is

937
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: is it conveying information or is that or is that

938
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: the is that the form of the destroyer? And this

939
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: this picture, I don't know, so many questions, but the

940
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: frog is a repeating symbol and oh yeah, it's it's good.

941
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: There's a lot of frog action in this and it

942
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: absolutely works.

943
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 2: There's also a wonderful scene where when Tom and his

944
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: mother first meet up, they start waltzing around the living room.

945
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 2: They've got like a sunken living room and they're dancing

946
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: and she's like, Tom, now I you know, I think

947
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: the police are after you. And he says the word

948
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: mother is fuzz and she says she says, if you

949
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: don't be careful, you're going to end up arrested. And

950
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: he says the word mother is busted.

951
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: It's weird how he's you know, he's having to educate

952
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: his mom on the cool lingo. But their living room

953
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,959
Speaker 1: is really hip, like it's a very mod living room

954
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: with like they have this cosmic like black starscape behind

955
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: the occult seance table and then there's a fireplace and

956
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: there's like all those weird modern furniture going on. It's

957
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: a it's a strange, strange living room, and I love it.

958
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: But ultimately in this whole sequence has Tom has this

959
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: weird thing where he goes into the cursed room and

960
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: faces the magic mirror, and ultimately he finds out the

961
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: secret of the living dead by overhearing his mother. And

962
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like much of a secret. The secret

963
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 2: just seems to be that you have to to become

964
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: an evil, undead immortal, you have to kill yourself and

965
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: truly believe you'll come back from the dead.

966
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: And Tom is, I guess he's convinced of this. I

967
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm trying to remember what specifically convinced him.

968
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it was the experience in the room, like encountering

969
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: other worldly, weird magical things. Yeah, but when he he's

970
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: terrified in the room, like there's there's a lot of

971
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: terrified acting going on while he's in there. But it's

972
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: not long afterwards, so he gets out of there. He

973
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: wakes up and he's like, all right, let's do it.

974
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: Death and immortality bring.

975
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: It on, right, And so the next day he's ready,

976
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 2: He's ready, He's ready to become the lich King. So,

977
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: like we said earlier, every outlaw biker movie has to

978
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: have scenes of bikers riding around knocking things over. You know,

979
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: they see stuff that's vertical and just their eyes go

980
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: red and they're like, you're not gonna be vertical for long.

981
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 2: And so they ride around in the town square knocking

982
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 2: stuff over in a scene of chaos and mayhem that

983
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: will culminate in Tom driving his motorcycle off a bridge

984
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: to become the evil Dead.

985
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: Right. He watches up on the bank and they're like

986
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: two children there and they're.

987
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: Like look, yeah. And so then after this we get

988
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: a scene that is one of the best scenes in

989
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: the movie. It's the funeral for Tom, which they have

990
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: at this stone circle that you saw on the opening

991
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 2: of the film, which they called the Seven Witches. I

992
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: don't know which elements to focus on first, but this

993
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 2: scene is so great. Maybe the folk song. So there's

994
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: one of the bikers who again these they kill people.

995
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 2: He's also like a sweet singer songwriter and he plays

996
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 2: this song that goes and the world never knew his name,

997
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: but the chosen few know of his fame.

998
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really good, and you can find clips of

999
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: this whole song on YouTube if you look around for it.

1000
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's the folk song that's going on. That's wonderful.

1001
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: Just also the whole premise, because basically what's happened is

1002
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: after after Tom died, Abby came to his mom and said, hey,

1003
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: it's sad that Tom died. We would love to bury

1004
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: him in our way, according to our custom according to

1005
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: our customs. So you might wonder what is a traditional

1006
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: English biker funeral. Well, it apparently involves, I guess, being

1007
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: taxidermied atop of your motorcycle and then buried on your

1008
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: motorcycle in a grave, like an enormous grave. And in

1009
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: this case that isn't the grave like adjacent to the hinge.

1010
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: It's right in the middle of the hinge.

1011
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, which seems this seems like this would not be

1012
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: legal the authorities.

1013
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: I do not think they would let you bury somebody there.

1014
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: And on a motorcycle. I mean, it's going to.

1015
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 2: Motorcycle just on it. It reminds me of the actual

1016
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: practice of horse burial, where, for example, you might see

1017
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: an ancient Scythian warrior buried with his horse. I think

1018
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 2: this practice is common among people more in sort of

1019
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: like the Indo European and Central Asian regions throughout history,

1020
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: where you know, the strong, strong horse based cultures, people

1021
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: would sometimes be buried with their horse in some way,

1022
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: and here it's like that, but it's the motorcycle instead

1023
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: of the horse.

1024
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's But it's great though, because he's just

1025
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: sitting on the body. He's just being real still, you know,

1026
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: on the on the motorcycle in the grave while they're

1027
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: playing this song and then oh and then of course

1028
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: you get to you see the hinge the stones behind them,

1029
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: and then also there's a smoke stack in the background. Yes,

1030
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,479
Speaker 1: and I just love that shot like that, that shot

1031
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: just feels so seventy He's Britain. I love it.

1032
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: And the song going on the lyrics at one point

1033
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: the singer goes and he really got it on. He

1034
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: rode that sweet machine just like a bomb. It's like,

1035
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: I can't think of instances of people riding bombs except

1036
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 2: in Doctor Strangelove. Is that what he meant?

1037
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: Maybe so, I mean the time the timeframe would work,

1038
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: or maybe it's British biker lingo that we're just this.

1039
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 2: But so, of course Tom comes back from the grave

1040
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: as an evil undead version of himself. I guess he

1041
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: was already evil.

1042
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: Oh please, don't just say he comes back from the grave.

1043
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 2: He busts up out of the grave. So there's a

1044
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 2: scene where like a car pulls over on the highway

1045
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: and the man gets out of the car and his

1046
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: wife there is like, he's like, oh, we're having car trouble.

1047
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: I've got to go to the garage. And his wife says,

1048
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: you could get there faster if you cut through the

1049
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: seven witches. You're not afraid, are you, And he's like,

1050
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 2: uh no, obviously he is. So he's walking through the

1051
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: seven witches. But then what's that he hears? Is that

1052
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 2: a little bit of a Is that a revving the

1053
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: revving of a motorcycle, as if coming up from out

1054
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: of the earth, and then boom, spray of dirt. Tom

1055
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 2: busts up out of his grave on the motorcycle and

1056
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: runs this guy over.

1057
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Tom is back from the grave. And one

1058
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: of the great things about this is you might expect,

1059
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: given all this, that Tom would be this like grizzly

1060
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: undead biker now, But no, Tom looks exactly like he

1061
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: did in life, acts exactly like he did in life.

1062
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: With the added caveat that he is now seemingly immortal

1063
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: and indestructible. Yeah, and you might wonder, well, what's why

1064
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,959
Speaker 1: does he exploit this? Well, the first thing he does

1065
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: is he basically he tanks up his hog, and then

1066
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: he also goes in as a beer and he doesn't

1067
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: pay for any of these things because now he is invincible.

1068
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: Well, he kills the service station attendant because he asked

1069
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 2: him for money, and then he also at the he

1070
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: goes to the pub to use the telephone because he

1071
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: wants to call Shadwell. He calls Shadwell on the phone

1072
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Speaker 2: and Shadwell's like, oh, how does it feel to be back?

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Speaker 2: And he says splendid. And he seems maybe even more

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Speaker 2: freed from pathetic human morality than he was before, because

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Speaker 2: now he's just doing murders everywhere.

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Speaker 1: He goes like, yeah, like five at a time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like a lady at the pub who wants

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Speaker 2: to ride on his motorcycle. She's like, take me for

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Speaker 2: a ride, and he's like no, and he just kills her.

1080
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's offscreen killing everybody.

1081
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Speaker 2: Yes, but yeah, so he's he's immortal and invulnerable, and

1082
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Speaker 2: he appears back to the rest of his gang, and

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00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 2: he says, hey, you know, here's the deal. If you

1084
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: kill yourself and become an undead lych king like me,

1085
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Speaker 2: you will be indestructible and then we can really party.

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00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they buy into it instantly because the proof

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00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: is in the pudding. Like here he is, he's back.

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01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: You don't need to go into the weird mirror room

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01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: because Tom stands before you. And also one of them

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Speaker 1: tries to stab him, and he's like, it doesn't work

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Speaker 1: on me anymore. See, I'm immortal. You guys should join

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Speaker 1: the club too.

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Speaker 2: He's not bothered by it. Yeah, the guy tries to

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Speaker 2: stab him, and he's just like, isn't it cool? But

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Speaker 2: so there is a I guess a very darkly comic

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Speaker 2: sequence where all the rest of the bikers are like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm next, and they take their turns doing

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Speaker 2: bizarre suicides to become the evil dead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a sequence that is just shockingly hilarious, this

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Speaker 1: strong gallows humor. But it's like each one chooses a

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Speaker 1: different method. The one that got me though, is the

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Speaker 1: is the bike. I forget which one this is. He's

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Speaker 1: he's wearing a swimsuit and he's laid in with chains,

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Speaker 1: like a ridiculous amount of chains, like like Bob Marley's ghost.

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Speaker 1: He's Jacob Marley. I'm sorry, Jacob Marley's gust not Bob, Sorry,

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01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: Jacob Marley's ghost from from a Carrol. He's laden in

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Speaker 1: all these you know, fake chains, and he's he's he's

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01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: shambling towards the riverside, clearly to drown himself. But it's like, really,

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Speaker 1: that's the method you choose, and then he does it.

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Speaker 2: One of them off screen, of course, yes, yeah, one

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01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: of them goes skydiving without a parachute. Yeah, but yes,

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Speaker 2: the goal is they're all going to become undead bikers,

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Speaker 2: just like Tom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so in the end, because of course, uh, there's

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01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: just death everywhere. Now, the the police get involved. So

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Speaker 2: the third act, that's I guess pretty standard for movies

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01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 2: like this. The police come in and they're like, well,

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01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 2: we've got to we've got to set a trap for

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Speaker 2: Tom and the bikers, and they decide they want to

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01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 2: use Abby as bait because Abby is the only one

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Speaker 2: of them who doesn't buy into this, and she decides

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Speaker 2: she actually doesn't want to become undead. She likes living

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Speaker 2: thanks very much, and she backs out of it.

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Speaker 1: So she does almost overdose and has like a dream sequence.

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Speaker 1: That's that's uh, that's kind of good.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that is very good. In the meantime,

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Speaker 2: the bikers are riding around. There's yet another grocery store

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Speaker 2: punishment scene. Or they're just plowing through the aisles. This

1130
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: carnation evaporated milk must suffer, you know, the marmite will pay.

1131
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: And they're smashing all of the products, and you see

1132
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: and you see Jane being especially evil. She's like, I, I,

1133
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 2: you know, I want to I want to hit baby

1134
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 2: carriages with my motorcycle. I just want to do the

1135
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 2: most evil things I can think of.

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01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she run. She's on her motorcycle driving through

1137
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: the aisle, aiming at the baby carriage, hits the baby carriage,

1138
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: and then of course Kareem's into the like the meat

1139
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: counter in the back. And of course these are all

1140
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: real motorcycle stunts. So it's like they're just wiping out

1141
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 1: in a in a grocery store.

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01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: I wonder what grocery store they shut this in. Was

1143
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: it a safe way?

1144
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: Maybe?

1145
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 6: So?

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01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, But Abby's along. Abby's getting cold feet at this point,

1147
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: for sure, like she was really I mean, no, she's

1148
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: more than that, Like she she had already decided she

1149
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: doesn't want any part of this, but now she's part

1150
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: of this, this police scheme to trap them, which I

1151
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: didn't completely understand how this played out.

1152
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 2: Tho yeh, I didn't either, because just.

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01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: Suddenly, like they lay her out in the morgue and

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01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: they let Tom know that she's dead, I guess, so

1155
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: that he'll come and get her. And then there we

1156
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: get some groovy music playing and then there's a suddenly

1157
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: we see all the police and the police inspector, including Fudge.

1158
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: They're just they're in the like the coroners when like

1159
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: the little cubby holes for the corpses, for the cadavers,

1160
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: and so I guess they've been off screen killed as well.

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01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is the implication that Tom just

1162
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: just dispatched them, as he does with nearly everyone he

1163
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: meets now.

1164
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: Because again he has super strength and cannot be hurt. Right,

1165
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: They're just they're running wild. Granted they're not trying to

1166
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: do much. But then we get a scene where Shadwell

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01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: and Mom are talking to Tom and they're like, well,

1168
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: what are your plans what's next. And he's like, oh, well,

1169
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of police officers and teachers,

1170
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,959
Speaker 1: and he just runs through a list of like various

1171
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: generally like small level local authority figures, and he's like,

1172
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: we're just going to kill all of them. That's what

1173
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: we're going to do. We're's going to completely tear down

1174
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: society from the bottom up.

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01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 2: So then I think even Mom, even though she's been

1176
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 2: involved in a lot of evil magic, she sort of

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01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: has a change of heart. She's like, what have I done?

1178
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: What kind of monster have I created?

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01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: And of course Shadwell is there, and the Shadwell early

1180
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: on had mentioned had dropped that those stones that we

1181
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: saw earlier, well, those are what's left of ancient warlocks

1182
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: who forgot their bargain or turned their back on the

1183
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: powers that they served. And so when she starts saying,

1184
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: well they must, I want to back out. I don't

1185
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: want to be part of whatever deal I've made with whoever,

1186
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: with the beings beyond the mirror, the thing that takes

1187
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: the form of the frog or what have you. And

1188
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,439
Speaker 1: he's like, well, you know, there's a price to pay,

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01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, I will do.

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Speaker 2: It, And so that's what we get in the end.

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01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 2: Even though the evil dead Bikers cannot be defeated by

1192
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: conventional arms or weapons, they can be undone by ritual magic,

1193
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 2: and so ultimately they I had to call in somebody's

1194
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 2: mom to fix things.

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01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: Yes, so yeah. The final scene is Abby's standing up

1196
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: to them. Abby's pretended to be undead, you know, sort

1197
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: of going along with it, but Tom suspects something's up

1198
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: when he drives through a brick walls totally it, and

1199
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,479
Speaker 1: she goes around it. He's like, what's up. You're not dead,

1200
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: are you? And she's like, no, I wanted to tell you,

1201
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: And then the whole gang kind of turns on her.

1202
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: He's reaching out to strangle her, but Mom has turned

1203
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: off the magic, and perhaps the sun is involved as well,

1204
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: because suddenly they start turning to stone. All the bikers

1205
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: turn to stone right there in the hinge, and Abby

1206
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: is the only one left alive. And then this dark

1207
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: vehicle pulls up and a lone figure gets out of

1208
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: it and begins walking towards her. And I believe this

1209
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: is supposed to be Shadwell.

1210
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 2: Maybe in his like fully realized devil form or warlock

1211
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 2: form or something.

1212
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I love the ending because it was one

1213
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: of these what's happening, what's what is the future? Is

1214
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: Shadwell showing up now offer Abby the deal, the deal

1215
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: that the mom has backed out on, the deal that

1216
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: we really don't know any of the details of, which,

1217
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: again I kind of like because again, part of the

1218
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: film is it's about the youth. It's about the youth

1219
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: in the world that the grown ups have created, and

1220
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: they certainly don't understand all the ramifications and the rules

1221
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: of that world, either the real world or certainly the

1222
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: supernatural world that Shadwell and Mom are involved in.

1223
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, one thing I love about the

1224
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 2: ending is that, so all these biker movies are about

1225
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 2: young people rebelling against authority structures. Something about the motorcycle

1226
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 2: signals a kind of freedom, a kind of removal of

1227
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 2: the constraints established by the authority figures around you. And

1228
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 2: at the end of this movie, what you've got to

1229
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: do is call somebody's mom to like make him stop

1230
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 2: acting up. And I love it.

1231
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then we roll credits, and it's also fun.

1232
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: This is a credit sequence that the divides the cast

1233
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: up by the factions they were involved in, which I

1234
01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: thought was nice. So you get a full list of

1235
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: the bikes, you get the the law, you also get

1236
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: the survivors. So I really I really appreciate that. I

1237
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: wish I saw we saw that more, certainly in modern

1238
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: modern credits on films.

1239
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I like that too. I like the

1240
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 2: fonts too. I always write comment on good fonts.

1241
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: Even the fonts on their their jackets are really nice.

1242
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: Tom I believe has like a pink and green like

1243
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: kind of a it's kind of like a like it

1244
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: feels very eighties the coloration on his name tag portion

1245
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: of his his jacket. But I really like it. I'm

1246
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: just surprised nobody's remade this or revisited it.

1247
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: I'm so glad nobody has ultimately better. I mean, this

1248
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 2: is a I think, a nearly perfect trash movie that

1249
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: I could not ask for, a better seventies supernatural biker movie.

1250
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: This is sort of the peak for me.

1251
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree this. I think this is the supernatural

1252
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: biker film par excellence. So you might be wondering out there, well,

1253
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: where can I watch Psychomania? Well, Psychomania, fortunately is widely

1254
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: available in digital formats. Aero Video put out an absolutely

1255
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: beautiful looking two disc blu ray of this film a

1256
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: few years back, and you can still pick that up.

1257
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: The soundtrack is also widely available in all formats. But

1258
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: if you're looking to stream this picture, I believe it

1259
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: is hosted on numerous streaming platforms slash channels including shutter

1260
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: fandor and AMC, and all of those have free trial periods.

1261
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: So if you just want to dip in and get

1262
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: yourself some psychomania and then and then check out, well

1263
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: then that's certainly an option. Yeah, rev it up, all right,

1264
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: We're going to go ahead and close this out real

1265
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: quick though, you know, since there were some suicidal elements

1266
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Speaker 1: in this picture and we discussed them a little bit.

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Speaker 1: If you're troubled by suicidal thoughts, you are not alone.

1268
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: In a sympathetic ear is only a phone call away.

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01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: In the United States, consider calling the National Suicide Prevention

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Speaker 1: Hotline at one eight hundred and two seven three eight

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01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 1: two five five. You can visit Suicide Prevention Lifeline dot

1272
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: org for additional reas sources tailored towards general and specific

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01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: needs and communities. You'll also find a list of local

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01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: and international suicide hotlines at suicide dot org. That's going

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01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: to be it for this episode of Weird House Cinema,

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01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: but we will be back. You can check out Weird

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01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: House Cinema every Friday in the Stuff to Blow Your

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Speaker 1: Mind podcast feed We're primarily a science podcast, with our

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Speaker 1: Listener Mail on Mondays, Artifact on Wednesday, Vault episode on Friday,

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Speaker 1: and a little rerun on the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Huge thanks as always to our excellent audio producer Seth

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Speaker 2: Nicholas Johnson. If you would like to get in touch

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