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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang on today's show. Time for the scouting combine,

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Speaker 1: all thirty two teams, some three hundred plus drift prospects,

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Speaker 1: all descend on Indianapolis. What your Cardinal fans know, want

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Speaker 1: on the franchise tag First though, is your passport up

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Speaker 1: to date? It's Cardinals Cover two, episode five thirty nine,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with

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Speaker 1: Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is presented

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Speaker 1: Going for Hopkins one hand to catch in a touchdown?

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. So, hi's

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Speaker 1: your Spanish, MJ. It's not very good, but you know

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Speaker 1: high school first year Spanish students. I do not know

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Speaker 1: So I took French growing up, don't know a lot

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals are headed to Mexico City to play a

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Speaker 1: regular season game in twenty twenty two. Right now, we

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Speaker 1: of those will be an international contest. Yeah. So the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals will now play eight twenty twenty regular season games

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Speaker 1: the opponent and some just not okay, speculate, I'll say it,

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Speaker 1: you spit ball speculating here, because if you remember, back

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Speaker 1: in December, the League award in marketing licenses to Mexico

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Speaker 1: Rams or the Chiefs being now in Mexico City. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: That that means they're going to have a really tough

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Speaker 1: They won thirty one fourteen, but so much surrounding that

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Covered two presented by Hyundai, proud partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals, and kind of get his perspective

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Speaker 1: there's enough needs to where maybe you don't want to

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Speaker 1: force a pick on the first or second round. But

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Speaker 1: who knows, based based on their board. But it's so deep,

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Speaker 1: they mean, you're talking fifteen to twenty deep. And as

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Speaker 1: for Gronkowski, I would like to see him. Gopal would

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Speaker 1: play with the Buffalo Bills. Okay, now you're letting letting

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Speaker 1: your personal feelings. Yeah, answer into the Supposedly he's come

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Speaker 1: out and said I would like to play with Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow obviously, you know, just based on what he did.

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Speaker 1: And I think there was another team, the Bears, possibly

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Speaker 1: with a new coaching staff. I've seen his name there,

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Speaker 1: but I know got people in Buffalo really want him

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Speaker 1: to come home. Thirty two years old, six six two

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Speaker 1: sixty five. If he still wants to play, he can

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Speaker 1: play now he's not on the field. Seventy five eighty

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Speaker 1: percent of the offensive snass. But you pick and choose

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Speaker 1: when you use him, and he is still I think

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Speaker 1: one of the most dominating tight ends, at least in

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Speaker 1: our generation. MJ. Well, the fact that what he did

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Speaker 1: in the last two years, I mean, you're you're talking

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Speaker 1: about a guy that's dealt with a lot of injuries

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Speaker 1: and his last Super Bowl, I mean, he was he

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Speaker 1: had an internal bleeding, was in a hospital for a

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Speaker 1: few days. And I know, you know a family friend

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Speaker 1: that knows the cronxum and every year it's is he

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Speaker 1: gonna play another year? And you know, you could see

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Speaker 1: towards the postseason he you know, he obviously was still productive,

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Speaker 1: but you could see that he was It's a long

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Speaker 1: season and once you get a chance to win a

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Speaker 1: couple of playoff games or get to the second round.

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Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't think he was efficient, but the

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Speaker 1: numbers he put up shows he can still ball in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Bring him back to Arizona where he starred

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Speaker 1: in college down in two sons. Well, he did say

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Speaker 1: he would to play for Kingsbury a few years ago. Hey,

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Speaker 1: which we'll think you maybe and what do you always say?

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Speaker 1: It's dreaming, It's free. Dreaming is free, Craig, I can

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Speaker 1: certainly dream. But again, I'm glad we're talking about this

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Speaker 1: position from a standpoint of it, because I do think

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, you never know because we're not negotiating,

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Speaker 1: we're not in the room, we don't know the offer.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the agents are gonna do what's best for

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Speaker 1: their clients, but it'd be really nice to see Arts

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Speaker 1: and Williams back and then draft a young guy for

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Speaker 1: the future. I would love to see one ERTs just

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Speaker 1: because of his production. Max Williams, because one, he's such

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Speaker 1: a great valuable player on and off the field, but

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Speaker 1: it's that dual threat that he provides. He's a better

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Speaker 1: blocker than his zach Ertz. And how much blocking are

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Speaker 1: you going to ask zach Ertz to do if Max

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Speaker 1: Williams is not on the football field, you do need

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Speaker 1: potentially a sixth player with their hand in the dirts

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Speaker 1: to maybe give Kyler Murray a little bit more time.

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Speaker 1: And if you can block a little bit i e.

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Speaker 1: Max Williams and then flare out into the flat or

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Speaker 1: coming across the middle. Cardinals twelve personnel meeting two tight ends.

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Speaker 1: Twenty one percent of the time, which was the league

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Speaker 1: average this past season. Yeah, And the fact is that

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Speaker 1: I do think if you had a healthy Max Williams

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Speaker 1: and zach Ertz, I would think that Cliff would go

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Speaker 1: with some two tight end sets. I mean, you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: you could still run out of that formation, clearly if

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Speaker 1: you feel like you're going against a really good front

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Speaker 1: four or front seven. And they both have experience. And

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Speaker 1: the fact that zach Ertz to me, is only going

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Speaker 1: to get better just based on knowing more of the offense.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that he was willing to go

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Speaker 1: to Cleveland after you know, he was traded, He played

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Speaker 1: the night before, setting a playing with Kyler, trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out the playbook, and you know, just more in

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Speaker 1: this offense, I think he could be more productive and

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Speaker 1: more you know, maybe when it comes to more touchdowns

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Speaker 1: in the red zone, etc. Fifty six catches in just

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Speaker 1: eleven games, Just think about that, playing additional six games,

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Speaker 1: what those numbers could be like. Although again you factor

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Speaker 1: in a healthy DeAndre Hopkins, a healthy James Connor and

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Speaker 1: or Chase Edmonds or whomever. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: those targets, those receptions, those yards late in the season

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Speaker 1: because you didn't have number ten on the football field

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Speaker 1: and you needed to move the ball down the field. Oh,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. I mean, he was averaging ten,

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Speaker 1: ten and a half targets per game, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Kyler was throwing to him. And one of the things

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Speaker 1: that really stuck out to me when he talked about,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think was going into the playoffs and

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Speaker 1: just the fact that the Rams didn't have their safeties

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Speaker 1: and they brought in Wettle, is that you know, he'll

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Speaker 1: run a route in the first quarter and then he'll

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Speaker 1: run a different route in in the fourth quarter. And

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Speaker 1: that tells me that he knows when he sees something

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Speaker 1: that can work. And it wouldn't surprise me that if

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Speaker 1: you go back to the sidelines and you say whether

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Speaker 1: it's Cam Turner obviously Cliffs got enough on his plate,

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Speaker 1: or Kyler saying, hey, I see this as open. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it wasn't open in the first quarter, but let's try

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, And that tells me he's picking

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Speaker 1: up the offense a little bit better than maybe he

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Speaker 1: had prior. No question tied in a part of this offense,

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Speaker 1: this Kingsbury offense, and a large part of this offense

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Speaker 1: A dressed it in free agency, address it in the drafts,

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Speaker 1: which leads us into our next conversation here on Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hounday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: and this is Combine week Tuesday through Saturday in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: Complete coverage all week ONASY Cardinals dot com. What everyone

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Speaker 1: wants to see and that is the on field workouts.

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Speaker 1: Those begin on Thursday, Quarterbacks, wide receivers, tight ends, Friday,

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Speaker 1: running backs, offensive linemen and special teams. Saturday, linebackers, defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: Sunday defensive backs workouts. So the Cardinals will be there.

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Speaker 1: We will be there as well as far as asy

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Speaker 1: cardinals dot com. But this is really the next step

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Speaker 1: if you will, as far as getting all the information

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Speaker 1: that you want, you hope to get to be at

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Speaker 1: be able to better make a decision. Come into April

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Speaker 1: with your first selection and then going into day two

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Speaker 1: and day three. Yeah, tight ends, quarterbacks and wide receivers

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Speaker 1: are going today. I'll just give you an idea what

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Speaker 1: they're going to be doing over the week. Registration, pre exam, orientation,

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Speaker 1: interviews tomorrow, general media exam, potential special studies, interviews Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: media interviews, ORTHOL Exam, NFLPA meeting Thursday, measurements, bench press

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Speaker 1: on field, workout to part. So that's their schedule. The

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Speaker 1: pretty much they're up early in the morning and they

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Speaker 1: stay up late, almost to eleven o'clock because each team

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Speaker 1: sit up to thirty players. I can't remember the exact

551
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Speaker 1: number that sounds about right, but you can put in

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Speaker 1: a requests and it's what you get, like fifteen minutes

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Speaker 1: or ten minutes per prospect, and it's literally they say,

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Speaker 1: you know the car wash. You're going from one team

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Speaker 1: to the next, and there's someone that's walking you from

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Speaker 1: one room to the next. Yeah, and if teams go over,

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Speaker 1: you got you got the other team knocking on the

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Speaker 1: door because you're taking some of their time away. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's very competitive, and you know, the good news

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Speaker 1: is the scouts have been talking to their position coach,

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Speaker 1: their head coach, their strength coach, so it's not like

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Speaker 1: you don't know a lot about these guys and the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals can bring in hopefully this year they can bring

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Speaker 1: in some players, but also they're going to go to

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Speaker 1: a lot of pro days and you can have those

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Speaker 1: conversations on the side. If you're not sure about something,

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Speaker 1: Cardinals will be well represented a general manager Steve come

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Speaker 1: head coach Cliff Kingsbury. In fact, they'll address the media

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday of this week as far as their media obligations.

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Speaker 1: But it is about speaking to prospects, watching prospects, and

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Speaker 1: then the medical evaluations as well. That to me is

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Speaker 1: what this has become a part of. I know, TV wise,

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Speaker 1: it's all about the forty yard dash, the on field

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Speaker 1: workouts and for some players if you want to separate yourself,

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Speaker 1: that's a great way because it's all a balanced field.

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Speaker 1: Everything is on the same page if you will, as

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Speaker 1: far as environments surface at Indianapolis, but it's about making

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Speaker 1: sure that these players are healthy and then getting to

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Speaker 1: know the person. I think for most part the scouts

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Speaker 1: know the player, but getting to know the person and

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Speaker 1: as far as football, I you passion for the game,

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Speaker 1: because as you always like to say, MJ, there are

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Speaker 1: two things you cannot measure on film, what's between the

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Speaker 1: years and what's in your chests. As far as smarts

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Speaker 1: and passion for this game. Yeah, I mean, do you

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Speaker 1: love football or it's just a job. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to be good or you want to be great, and

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Speaker 1: there's a difference, and you know, you can ask a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions and some guys, you know, agents do

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Speaker 1: a good job, you know, kind of setting them up

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Speaker 1: to where you're not gonna you know, you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: be in a surprising but there is you know, a

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Speaker 1: portion of the interview that you put them on the

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Speaker 1: chalkboard and you can go back to their film. What

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Speaker 1: were you thinking here? What would you do in this situation?

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Speaker 1: So you want to be able to process information more

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Speaker 1: probably for quarterbacks and other build players. But this is

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Speaker 1: the biggest job interview having their entire life and first

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Speaker 1: impressions being a lot. That doesn't mean you know, you

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Speaker 1: got you gotta answer the questions right, just be honest

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Speaker 1: and if you don't know something, you don't know something,

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Speaker 1: and that's something you can learn. But UM and teams

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Speaker 1: will use this in the future when these guys become

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Speaker 1: free agents. I mean they have all the data and

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Speaker 1: everything else, so it may not happen this time around,

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Speaker 1: but when they come a free agent and say, well,

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Speaker 1: we like what he did there, what's he done in

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Speaker 1: the last few years? Can he help us? UM? But

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Speaker 1: again there's there's you're gonna see some guys that are

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Speaker 1: um projected to go in the top five. They're not

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Speaker 1: going to work out. They'll work out the pro day.

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Speaker 1: Some guys are having surgery, so they're not going to

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Speaker 1: work out. Matt the quarterback from Old Miss Carol, Matt

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Speaker 1: Carroll's not going to throw. But if you're you're any

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Speaker 1: other quarterback. I mean Kyler didn't have to throw because

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Speaker 1: he was projected to be the first overall pick. He

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Speaker 1: didn't even run, he didn't do any bench presses. But

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Speaker 1: for some of these other guys, and it looks like

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Speaker 1: right now we may not have a quarterback draft in

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Speaker 1: the top twelve. Who knows, you know, Carolina, there's there's

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Speaker 1: teams if they don't get that Vet guy. But to me,

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Speaker 1: you've got to go out there and show with your worth.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Josh Allen worked out, and you know

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys work out, and you used that

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Speaker 1: as as as your you know, your resume. So and

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Speaker 1: some of these guys that maybe didn't they tapped out

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Speaker 1: and didn't play last year's because of COVID or they

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Speaker 1: obviously started getting ready for the draft. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: no days off here. You have to go out there

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Speaker 1: and show what you're worth. And you know, these guys

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Speaker 1: Some guys worked out prior to that. They go to

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Speaker 1: LA and they pay a ton of money to make

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Speaker 1: sure they're in shape. They do all the drills so

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Speaker 1: when they go there, they are not foreign to it.

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Speaker 1: And they do take tests and they had to wonderlook

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Speaker 1: tests and you know, it's different questions. So it's a

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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of between the years. But what

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Speaker 1: can you go out there and play freely? And we

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Speaker 1: know it doesn't happen overnight. Now, I know you have

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Speaker 1: already marked out times during the day beginning on Thursday

643
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Speaker 1: and then Friday and end of the weekend. As far

644
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Speaker 1: as or you'll be and what you'll be watching on

645
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Speaker 1: the NFL network, as far as combined workouts on field,

646
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Speaker 1: what do you what do you pay attention to before

647
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: I give you my two cents, because I do think

648
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: that not that it's overrated, but some of these drills,

649
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: like an offensive lineman running a forty yard dash means

650
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. No one runs an offensive lineman and defensive

651
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: lineman doesn't run forty yards. I want to know what

652
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Speaker 1: their their their ten yard is, what's it? What's it like?

653
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: How fast can they get from zero ten? Three cone drill?

654
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: In other words, you're gonna have sometimes you're gonna have

655
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: to go out and block on a screenplay lateral movement.

656
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: Lateral movement exactly. And for me lineman, when it comes

657
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: to d lineman and offensive line, I want to see

658
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: how much you can bench press. What's your upper body like?

659
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: You mean you may have a lower tourso it looks

660
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: like a fire hygiene, but what can because you're talking

661
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: about three hundred pound men that you literally have to

662
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: just shed the block. So that's important to me. When

663
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: it comes to the skille position players, I do want

664
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Speaker 1: to see them run the forty corners. Can they cover?

665
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Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna get caught up in this guy

666
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: ran a four to six because Larry Fitzgerald he didn't

667
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Speaker 1: have a grade forty time and Kwon Bolden have a

668
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: greade forty time. Yes, it looks good. How long did

669
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: John Ross last in the league? He has the fastest

670
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Speaker 1: forty time. You look at guys like DK Metcalf and

671
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: you know some others, So when it comes to skill

672
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: position players. I do think it's important, and I want

673
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: to see him run the wide receiver gauntlet drill because

674
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: it's coming fast and furious at you, and you got

675
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: to be able to turn around and catch the ball

676
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: down this line. And if you're not staying on the line,

677
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: then you're not basically staying in bounce. How about this,

678
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: Nuggets on the forty yard dash, Cooper Cup best wide

679
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: receiver in football? Correct? Yes, all right? He ran the

680
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: fourth slowest forty yard dash at the combine of all

681
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: wide receivers taken in the top three rounds of the

682
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: last ten NFL drafts. He ran a four to six

683
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: two and twenty seventeen was a third round draft pick.

684
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: So with why receivers, it's not how fast do you

685
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: run a straight line? How fast you get off the

686
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage? Can you beat your man? Can you

687
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: get off press coverage? Christian Kirk doesn't have a lot

688
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: of speed, but if you run your route well, if

689
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: you're a good route runner, you can get that separation

690
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: and have a good two or three steps on a

691
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: defender going downfield. So forty yard dash it's fun. I'm

692
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: not one to make a big deal out of it,

693
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: outside of what you said cornerbacks, because how much makeup

694
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: speed do you have if you get beats or if

695
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: you're a safety and coming over to help, how quickly

696
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: do you get over there? So some of these drills

697
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: I think more for TV purposes, but we're all gonna

698
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: hear it. Guys are gonna rise, they're gonna fall based

699
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: off there. Forty time doesn't matter for a quarterback, doesn't

700
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: matter for an offensive line, defensive lineman, linebackers maybe, but

701
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: it's more about how well do you move side to side,

702
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: front and back well, I mean football first of all,

703
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean the Cardinals drafted JJ Nelson and John Brown.

704
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean they weren't the biggest guys in the world.

705
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: But you can't teach speed. But there's also there's other

706
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: aspects to where look at Cooper Cup and has route

707
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: running now. Aaron Down ran a four six eight forty

708
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: at the Combine in twenty fourteen, the fastest of any

709
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: player two hundred and eighty pounds plus, and he also

710
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: completed thirty five bench reps, tied for the most of

711
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: any player under two hundred and ninety pounds. So and

712
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: Tom Brady ran a five two four. I'm at the

713
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: combine and I'm trying to look Roethlisberger. He did not

714
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: run and that was only two quarterbacks have slower times

715
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Speaker 1: than Tom Brady and here he's got seven super Bowls

716
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: and that and he checked in at six four, three

717
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: eights two eleven. Hand size was pretty good. That's another

718
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: measurement that people make a big deal. How big is

719
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: your hand if you're a quarterback, can you get your

720
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: entire hand around the football? What's your grip going to

721
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: be like? And that's what Cody Pickett. All of a sudden,

722
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, you don't have a large enough hand size. Well,

723
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Speaker 1: you've been playing football at quarterback since high school, college

724
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Speaker 1: and you perform well, all of a sudden, now we're

725
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: worried about hand size. Well, it's just we go back

726
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: to Jamar Chase. I mean, the ball was a little

727
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: bit bigger and he was dropping it in training camp

728
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: and everyone's calling for you know, draft Pine sewell Man, Lukally.

729
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: He had an outstanding year. So yeah, you know Jared Goff,

730
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: he had small hands. I mean again, they didn't forget

731
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: how to play the position. It's just you know, teams

732
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: get fixated on numbers, and you know, I know his

733
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: coach at Pittsburgh came out and said, this is ridiculous.

734
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Speaker 1: You know, if we're talking about this kind of stuff

735
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: and he won't be the first or last guy when

736
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: it comes to hands hand size. It's it's parts, yeah,

737
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: of the evaluation, part of the information that is gathered,

738
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Speaker 1: and then you go back and all right, regardless of times, sizes, measurements,

739
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Speaker 1: how do they perform on the film. So a lot

740
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: of these scouts will, after the combine, go back to

741
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: the film. I was like, all right, now that we

742
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: know X, Y and Z, how was he able to

743
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: do ABC on the football field? So well, just bites

744
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: what we perceived to be slow speed or lack of

745
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: hand size, or he didn't bench as many reps as

746
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: we thought, but he was still able to get buy

747
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: offensive lineman or move defensive lineman away on that line

748
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. All right, let's have me Isaiah Simmons flashback here,

749
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: so talk about first impressions. Listening to him speak, that

750
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: was a good first impression, and then even a better

751
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: impression when he did go through his work out. Okay,

752
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 1: so he checked in measured sixty three at five eighths,

753
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: very similar size the DK Metcalf, but he weighed heavier

754
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: than Roquan Smith. He also had a fastier forty yard

755
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: dash than Devin Hester. That's saying something. And he had

756
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: a higher vertical and jump than Julio Jones and he

757
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: had a long broad jump to measure the explosive of

758
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara. I mean, you're talking about a linebacker. Devin

759
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: Hester to me, should have been a Hall of Famer. Okay,

760
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: he's the best return guy. Julio Jones is going to

761
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: go to Hall of Fame. And you look at DK Metcalf.

762
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of their top targets in Seattle.

763
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: So that was a great flashback just watching him go

764
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: out there and just kill it. And we've seen him

765
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: perform like that on the football field on Sundays as one.

766
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: I think he is getting better. He's understanding what he

767
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: can do, what his athleticism allows him to do. In

768
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: the National Football League now, the NFL, they sent out

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Speaker 1: this research and it was interesting when they compared JJ

770
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: Watt to t J Watt. So TJ JJ was six

771
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: to five, his brother was six four two ninety. His

772
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: brother was two fifty two hand size eleven each bench press,

773
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Speaker 1: JJ did thirty four hearing, he did twenty one in

774
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: the forty yard dash, JJ ran a four to nine.

775
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: His brother ran a four to six. Obviously a little

776
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: bit lighter, but that was interesting to where you compare him.

777
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Speaker 1: And again we're talking twenty eleven, twenty seventeen and his

778
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: brother to me right now, he's much heavier and he's

779
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: probably one of the best pass Rutgerson football Well, just

780
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: named Defensive Player of the Year. So yeah, some of these,

781
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: some of these numbers that will come out this week

782
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: from Indianapolis. You know, you take with the grain assaults

783
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: and then you figure out, all right, let's look at

784
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: these players two three years into their careers and how

785
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: much better they become because they figure out what their

786
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: abilities allow them to do on the football field, and

787
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: then it goes you know, guys change positions as well.

788
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Speaker 1: I found this also interesting as we get more and

789
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Speaker 1: more nuggets regarding the scouting combine and everyone wants to

790
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Speaker 1: look for offensive linemen because you need a good offensive

791
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: line to be successful. Super Bowl winning teams over the

792
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: last five seasons they're offensive lines. So you're talking twenty

793
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Speaker 1: five players only three of those twenty five players first

794
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: round draft picks. The last five Super Bowl winning teams

795
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: just three first round draft picks. There were four Day

796
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Speaker 1: two picks, seven Day three picks, one undrafted free agent,

797
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: and ten veteran free agents or players acquired veterans acquired

798
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: via a trade. So there are many ways to build

799
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Speaker 1: your offensive line. And if you're in when now mode,

800
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: meaning you believe that this upcoming season you have a

801
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: better chance at winning than say another team, yeah, you

802
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: look in free agency because you want someone to come

803
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: in and perform right away. Now, someone should drop at

804
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: number twenty three and offensive lineman that maybe is available

805
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: or you think can be a factor this season, whether

806
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: Week one or later on. Remember DJ Humphries red shirted

807
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: his entire year. Now he's one of the best left

808
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: tackles in the league. Yeah, I want this team to

809
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: get better on the trenches. But we're just gonna have

810
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: to wait and see what they do in free agency.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they could be looking at upgrading both guard spots. Again,

812
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: we'll wait and see, But you know, I do agree,

813
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: and I think it was Daniel and Jeremiah came out

814
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: last week and you just said you could find these

815
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: guys in the third and fourth round. Now, you know,

816
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: obviously there's a premium of left tackles. You know, usually

817
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: if you play guard, you can also play center, so

818
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: there's position flexibility there and durability. So you know, there's

819
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: no John with Jonathan Ogden. John Nathan Ogden. I mean,

820
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's gonna be some guys that are gonna

821
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Speaker 1: be Pro Bowl players, but you know, again, I want

822
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: to get better in the trenches, so we'll wait for

823
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: the first wave in free agency. But I think they

824
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: have more pressing needs edge rusher, cornerback, wide receiver, and

825
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: you can address the offensive line in the middle rounds.

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Speaker 1: It's funny you bring up edge rusher and cornerback. Daniel

827
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: Jeremiah NFL network analysts, who I think is one of

828
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: the better respected analysts when it comes to looking at

829
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Speaker 1: draft prospects. His second mock draft had the Cardinals selecting

830
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Speaker 1: Washington corner Kyler Gordon, a red shirt junior, and we

831
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: know the Cardinal's success and fascination with corners or defensive

832
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: backs out of Washington and out of the States of Washington.

833
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: But in his first mock draft, he had the Cardinals

834
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: going edge rusher Michigan's David Ojabo, a red shirt sophomore.

835
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Speaker 1: So when you're looking at the Cardinals specifically this week,

836
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Speaker 1: perhaps it's I guess you could look at any position

837
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: as far as these prospects are concerned. But if you're

838
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Speaker 1: watching specifically for these on field drills, MJ, where are

839
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: you most likely? Is it going to be at drusher

840
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: and corner? Yeah? I mean, you know, again not so

841
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: much on the forty time with those guys, but just

842
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, how do they how do they look in

843
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: pass protection and how are they able to rush the

844
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Speaker 1: passer um? You know, the three cone drill being able

845
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: to go you know, dokaz do some gassers where you

846
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: know in football stop and play all the time. You know,

847
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: even though you got thirty seconds in between, you got

848
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: to line up again. So yeah, it's just more technique

849
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: stuff there, because they're really not putting pads on and

850
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: you're not really allowed to hit. But it's more just

851
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: a technique and you know how their sets look when

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00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: it comes to a left tackle or a guard versus

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Speaker 1: a pass rusher, and some guys, you know, some guys

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Speaker 1: play better with their hand in the dirt. Some guys

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Speaker 1: play better with standing up on the outside. So I

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Speaker 1: think the thing is you want to make these guys uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: Don't let them feel like they figured everything out, because

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be times where you're gonna be asked to

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Speaker 1: play left guard or right card sometimes you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: asked to play that defensive tackling defensive end. So kind

861
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Speaker 1: of make them uncomfortable where they're not. They can't master

862
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Speaker 1: the test. There is one position, and maybe one position

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Speaker 1: only that this team does not have to worry about

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Speaker 1: when it comes to draft prospects. When this one position

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Speaker 1: is on the field or is being paraded around. As

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Speaker 1: far as interviews are concerning, the Cardinals can say, you

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Speaker 1: know what, thanks but no, thanks were good, and that

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Speaker 1: position is quarterback. They had their quarterback, Kyle the Murray's

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Speaker 1: not going anywhere. I know he's in the news and

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Speaker 1: a lot surrounding Kyle the Murray. We'll hear from general

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Speaker 1: manager Steve come and maybe Cliff Kingsbury on the matter

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Speaker 1: as well. But it is good to be the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: as far as going into this offseason, whether you're talking

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00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: about free agency or the draft, and not have to

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Speaker 1: worry about figuring out what you're doing at the most

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00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: important position on football field. Yeah, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: a big year for both Kyler Murray and Cliff Kingsbury.

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Speaker 1: They definitely made strides and you know, nobody was happy

879
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: would happened how the season, and it clearly nobody was

880
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: happy the way that playoff game ended. And you know, again,

881
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Speaker 1: you got to get him some weapons, you gotta get protection,

882
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Speaker 1: they gotta get better on defense. So you know, they

883
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Speaker 1: both made strides. As a head coach and a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you know, you go from the wind total but at

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Speaker 1: this point in time, you know, in this division and

886
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Speaker 1: in this conference, I mean, you got to take care

887
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Speaker 1: of business. And it's really it's all how you end

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Speaker 1: the season. You can't be limping into playoffs like year ago.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a big year. Last year, I

890
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Speaker 1: thought they made a lot of progress. I got, you know,

891
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Speaker 1: we got a chance to watch him in training camp

892
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Speaker 1: and I was really excited about the offense and just

893
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: how it was humming. And hopefully they can kind of

894
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Speaker 1: hit that reset button. But it's going to be an

895
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Speaker 1: important year for the head coach and the quarterback. Quarterback

896
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Speaker 1: play huge. You don't have a quarterback you don't have

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Speaker 1: a chance. Sorry bertrand Berry, but that's just the reality

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I mean you're seeing it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think if you don't have a top fifteen quarter back,

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Speaker 1: you're looking for one. Yes, that's that's a good way

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Speaker 1: of saying, you're all you're looking to upgrade it, Yeah,

902
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Speaker 1: because you're not quite satisfied with what you've got exactly.

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Speaker 1: And you know, fourteen teams make the playoffs. So if

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Speaker 1: you if you have a top fifteen quarterback, you have

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Speaker 1: a chance in this league. And then the other seventeen

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Speaker 1: teams are trying to figure it out. They're always they're

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Speaker 1: always trying to upgrade that position, and it takes time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, since they moved here, who's a really quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: you can say that really held their water? Jake Plummer,

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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, Kurt Warner and now Kyler Murray. Obviously he's

911
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Speaker 1: got to play a lot longer to earn that. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's I think there's fifteen. If you don't

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Speaker 1: have a top fifteen quarterback, it's difficult and you're always

914
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Speaker 1: trying to find it. And that's why you see gms

915
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: and head coaches get fired every year. A lot of information,

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Speaker 1: A lot of news is going to come out of

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis all week long. Again asy Cardinals dot Com and

918
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Speaker 1: right here on Cardinals Covered two. We will do our

919
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Speaker 1: best to keep everyone updated as it pertains to how

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00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: it affects the Arizona Cardinal. Yeah, and you mentioned it.

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Speaker 1: Steve Kaimul trusts the media along with Cliff Kingsbury, so

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Speaker 1: obviously we'll get a chance to possibly discuss that. We're

923
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Speaker 1: also going to be on the Red Seat Report on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: We'll come back and do another podcast on Wednesday, kind

925
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: of more information coming out, and then we'll start to

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Speaker 1: see when these guys finally get on the field later

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Speaker 1: in a week, who's who's rising and who's falling. And

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Speaker 1: again it's really the underwear Olympics, so don't get fixate

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Speaker 1: on that. It's more about the meetings, getting to know

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Speaker 1: the person and putting them in a situation where can

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Speaker 1: they go on a chalkboard and really process information. I

932
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Speaker 1: know it's you know, they're going to go back to

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Speaker 1: their game, so they should be aware of what's going on.

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Speaker 1: But you know, at this level, you have to be

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Speaker 1: able to process information. I don't care what position you

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Speaker 1: play well said, and on that note, we will put

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Speaker 1: a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Hunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always,

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim Almundro or Mike Drecky.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greig Rayel Loup. We'll talk to you next time

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Speaker 1: you're on Cardinals Cover two