1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson. 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: Hi, Marv, Hello there, Kelly. 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 3: Well, I guess we should try to not argue through 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 3: this whole podcast like we did last. 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 2: Month, the month before last. 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 3: No, it wasn't that was last month. 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: It's no. 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 3: Okay, Well we're arguing again. 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: See you started it. 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 3: I'm just saying what I think to be the truth, 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: but we'll agree to disagree again. Okay, Well, we are 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: here to talk about the Leo. Well, it's it's Leo 14 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 3: season in general, but there's a Leo new moon, there's 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: an Aquarius full moon, and there's a lot of transits. 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: I was just saying to you, I feel like there's 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: more transits than normal. You said no, but there are 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: some really important ones for us to talk about today, 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: and so I want to make sure we get to 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 3: all of them. So I want to just dive right in. 21 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: I want to say this first about Leo energy, because 22 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: I've had a lot of Leo's in my life throughout 23 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: my lifetime, and I do feel like it's a bit 24 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: of a misunderstood energy as well. Like I used to 25 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: be like, oh, all Leo's are just so self absorbed, 26 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 3: and so you know, they think they're like the king 27 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 3: or the queen of the castle. But let's talk about 28 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: really what Leo energy means and how it can actually 29 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: bring a lot of good things into the world and 30 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: why we really need to like tap into that right now. 31 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 2: Well, Leo is the sign of the will. So when 32 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: you put that together with how they project themselves into 33 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: the environment, are they projecting themselves through their heart energy 34 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: or are they projecting themselves through their personal wilfulness. But 35 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: you've got to understand, Leo is a very highly intuitive 36 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: So people don't really recognize that enough. But Leo is 37 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: about the all is mind concept. They are in the mind, 38 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 2: and so their greatest their greatest gift is understanding their 39 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: heart and learning it's the will of God, not their will. 40 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: It's okay, thy will, not my will. 41 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: Right. 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: And so when you're talking about a person that is 43 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: highly creative, highly romantic, highly playful, I mean they're good 44 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 2: at everything because I mean that's just their nature, their fire. 45 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 2: They're a fireside. So whatever they they go after and do, 46 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: that's it magnifies it because they don't seem like they 47 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: have a lot of insecurities or lack of confidence, right, 48 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: and so what you're reading is a positive attitude about themselves, 49 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: and that positive attitude has to be used in a 50 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: right and proper way. 51 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 3: So it really kind of depends on where the energy 52 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: is coming from. Like if you were saying, if they're 53 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: leading with their heart, it sounds like there's a lot 54 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: of positive contributions they can make with that intuitive nature, 55 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 3: the charismatic parts of themselves. But if they're leading with 56 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: their ego, then that's maybe some of the stuff that 57 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: I was talking about earlier or interpreting as LEO energy. 58 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know what you're talking about the 59 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: most creative sign, So I mean you know who are 60 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: they creating for themselves or for others? What's the eedit 61 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: of God? Or the consciousness is serve my children? Well, 62 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: so where are you going to put your priorities as 63 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: a leo to help others and to create for others? 64 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: Or is it about making you bigger, better, and greater 65 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: than everybody else? 66 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 3: So isn't that every sign? Though in a little bit 67 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: of a like, aren't aren't we all supposed to be 68 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: leading with how we can serve others versus ourselves. 69 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: Well, yes, and we all have Leo somewhere. 70 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: True. Okay, I see what you're saying. 71 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: Okay, but I mean, you know, when you're talking about 72 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: the Leo new mood, this is about it's about the 73 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: will and control and what are you? What are you 74 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: doing with your Leo power? And so you know, the 75 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: one thing that we didn't miss last month was at 76 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: mercury retrograde. I know, so everybody's been experiencing that for 77 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: here a couple of weeks. But I mean, you know, 78 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: it's like what I what I wrote in the outline, 79 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: it's about standing up for oneself. Well who better to 80 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: stand up for oneself than a Leo? 81 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 3: Oh for sure? 82 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So in other words, it's kind of working 83 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: along along those lines with a murcury retrograde. And of course, 84 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: when you're talking about all this energy, there's a heck 85 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: of a lot of energy that's been going on because 86 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: of the shadow issues this month. 87 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: What do you mean? Shadow issues? 88 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: Issues about not being your authentic you? You're hiding what 89 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: are you suppressing about yourself? How are you? How are 90 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: you trying to be what you think everybody wants you 91 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: to be instead of you being who you really are. 92 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 2: I mean, doesn't that sound like being authentic? Sounds like Leo? 93 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: Doesn't it? 94 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: Oh for sure? Yeah? 95 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: Okay, thing personality with confidence and warmth, that's what Leo, 96 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 2: This Leo New Moon's about. If you're doing it with confidence, 97 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 2: you know, a person that has a little bit of 98 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: insecurity or a lot of insecurity, they're not going to 99 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 2: like somebody with a little lot of confidence. Shoulders back, 100 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: strut forward, you see. So that can be a lot 101 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: of misreading of Leo. And so we all have to 102 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 2: learn how to live in our passion, be in our 103 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: passion itself, be in our strong sense of who we are. 104 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: Why should we be any less than? So I think 105 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: that's the basic theme that we're going into this month 106 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: with is be all you can be. Oh that's a 107 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: good one. 108 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: It is a good one. Why is there because we've 109 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 3: talked about this the last couple of months as far 110 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 3: as embracing authenticity and how we're going to keep bumping 111 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: up against things that are going to push us in 112 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: that direction? Is that the overall theme of Pluto and 113 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 3: Aquarius or where is that coming from? That that's such 114 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 3: a big theme right now. 115 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: The Pluto bumping up against this new moon is exacerbating, okay. 116 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: In other words, that's what energy does when it's in 117 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: a conflicted alignment with another energy, is that it magnifies conflict, 118 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: whether it's in an opposition or a square or a 119 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: another kind of conflicted aspect. It brings out the troubles 120 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: or that you're that we all have to try to overcome. 121 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: Where are our hidden fears? What are our control issues? 122 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: I just talked about that with a client here before 123 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: before we got on, I mean, and she said, the 124 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: perfect thing. I wanted to make this relationship right, I said, 125 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: where the hell do you get off making any relationship? Right? See, 126 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: that's a. 127 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: Control issue to make it work. 128 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: Yes, you don't make it work about you just being 129 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: all you can be, loving, kind, generous, and so forth, 130 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: and allow the relationship to unfold like it is. Or 131 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: are you going to try to suppress you're authentic you 132 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: or how you really feel because it may rub up 133 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: against somebody, or or if somebody may misinterpret it, if 134 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: you're trying to get the outer world to interpret you 135 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 2: the way you want to be. That's a control issue, and. 136 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: That some time like that, Yeah, huh, I said, I 137 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 3: have lived some time like that for sure. 138 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: Well we all have we all want the best for 139 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 2: things to work out, and sometimes they do and a 140 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 2: lot of times they don't. So you've got to do 141 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: to say. 142 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: It's one of the things that you always talk about 143 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: where it's like we are attaching though, we're attaching to 144 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: the outcome, as if we know what would be best, 145 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: whereas in reality it's like if it's not working out, 146 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: that's supposed to be the way, Like it's not supposed 147 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 3: to work out. 148 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, I think that's the trouble 149 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: with goals. People set goals. Well, I've people just. 150 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 3: Had this conversation that is so weird. You brought that up. 151 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 3: I said, when someone says to me, what are your 152 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 3: six month planning, I'm like, that to me actually communicates 153 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 3: me getting in the way. Like I think it's good 154 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 3: to have an idea of a direction you want to go, 155 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 3: of course, but if you're attaching so hard to why 156 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: I need this to be here in five months or here, 157 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: here in one month, here in five months, here in 158 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 3: six months, whatever, you're going to miss out on so 159 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 3: much stuff that the universe does or could do or 160 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 3: will do or whatever, And you kind of get back 161 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: in that driver's seat. 162 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: Well, and one of the things I'm always telling people 163 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: looks par could give you more than you could ever 164 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: want for yourself. Yeah, you know, I used to love 165 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: the Jesus quote about know thyself and ponder thy path. 166 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 3: Say plan it out, pond. 167 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: Go work yourself up to get to this specific goal. 168 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, that's exactly what I told 169 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 2: this client just a little while ago. Quit treating a 170 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 2: relationship like some goal. You're going to make it be something. 171 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,599 Speaker 2: I mean, you'll ruin the relationship. 172 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 3: That's what society teaches us to do. Though it's like 173 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: check the box. 174 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: Would that be the first time the society teaches you 175 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 2: something that's wrong? 176 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: No, absolutely not, Okay. 177 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: This is why we try to study spirituality and universal 178 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 2: truths and universal concept like live in the now right 179 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 2: and of course you know my favorite special of all, 180 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: live your excitement, follow your passion, and let go of 181 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: the outcome. 182 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 3: Right. 183 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: Because you're not the doer. So you can say I 184 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: would have set a goal, all you won and it 185 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: means nothing. I mean, we've all set goals in our life, 186 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: and how many times you've reached the goal and you 187 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: get there and it feels like, oh wow, this isn't 188 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: as big a deal as I thought it was. 189 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 3: Well, and then you set yourself up to keep just 190 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: chasing more because you get there. 191 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 2: Ye yeah, you want more implorable, right. I mean I 192 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: experienced that when I was a golfer and wanted to 193 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: be a better golfer and a better golfer. And one 194 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 2: time I shot three hunder par and I was the 195 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 2: talk of the whole clubhouse, and you know, all that euphoria, 196 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: and then I'm on my way home to my two 197 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: daughters and my wife that could give it prep less, right, 198 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:55,239 Speaker 2: I thought, Wow, I've hit thousands and thousands and thousands 199 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: of golf balls to be so good, and this is 200 00:11:58,960 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: the epitome of it. 201 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 3: There was, It's. 202 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: Got to be more than this. And so it's about 203 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: letting go of old identities that no longer serve you, okay, 204 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: and you and you get that when you bump up 205 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: against another relationship and the objective and the objective way, 206 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: and you know, and that's what the shadow is. Other 207 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: people bring our shadow. We don't. I mean, you don't 208 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: go digging for your own crap. You try, you try 209 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: to go understand why somebody is responding or reacting and 210 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: why you're responding and reacting to the world. And that's 211 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: the shadow. That's how it comes out. It don't come 212 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: out because you're an island. It comes out because you're 213 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: interacting with the world. And so we have a Chiron, 214 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 2: which is the wounded healer. That's so important, and New 215 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: Moon is the core wounds around self worth, identity, and assertiveness. 216 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: That's the woundedness that we're dealing with at whatever level 217 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: you're at. So we're all dealing with the core wounds 218 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: of self worth, identity, and assertiveness because this is what 219 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: we're trying to This is the road towards authentic and 220 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: authenticity is to discover where are we? Where are we confidence? 221 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: Where are we standing tall and straight and vulnerable and 222 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: being able to express our uniqueness? And of course you 223 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: know there's a lot of personal wounding around that, and 224 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: there's a problem, a lot of wounding around self extression 225 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: and empowerment. Where are we not using our power? Where 226 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: are we don't feel in howard or insecure about projecting 227 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:10,239 Speaker 2: our image? Very leo, So we're invited to heal old traumas. 228 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: What's the trauma behind our insecurities, our lack of authentic expression. 229 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: And I think that that's a lot of what we're 230 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: doing with this chiron is we got to face our 231 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: fears of rejection and invisibility. I mean, where are we 232 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: trying to not be vulnerable, not be exposed? I mean, 233 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: this person actually has to go for a work interview, 234 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: and I was telling her, you interview at work, just 235 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: like you work. She's a salesperson and very good, but 236 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: she has relationship issues because she wants one so bad 237 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: that she's willing to overlook her into wish to overlook 238 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: what was going wrong with the relationship even though she 239 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: intuitively felt it. That's a big, big lesson. 240 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 3: No, I'm not it, so I'm aware. 241 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: Another thing mm hm, another thing we're dealing with is 242 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: a Mars the UH, the energy planet of energy is UH. 243 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: It's it's UH forcing us to look at our old 244 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: karmic patterns and how we've come to respond to others 245 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: around habits and service and criticism and perfectionism and over functioning. 246 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: You know, that's one that we don't we rarely talk about. 247 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: Where are we overfunction Where are we trying so hard 248 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: to make something be what we want it to be, 249 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: or to serve another person in a way that we're 250 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: abandoning ourselves instead of making it be an equal give 251 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 2: and take. And I think that overfunctioning is a that's 252 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: a huge verbal problem. 253 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting you say we never talked about it, 254 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 3: because I'm like, I feel like that. I talk about 255 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: that theme all the time because that is the story 256 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: of my life. It's being in relationships where I didn't 257 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 3: even realize I was overfunctioning. And I still can get 258 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 3: in those patterns, but it doesn't work anymore because of 259 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 3: where I am now. It's like the second it starts happening, 260 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: I feel it. I buck back as something happens. And 261 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 3: in fact, this past week, even my boyfriend and I 262 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: got into it a little bit because I was feeling 263 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 3: that thing. I thought I was doing the same thing 264 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: I've done in the past where I overgive or whatever. 265 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 3: And it was so interesting because when we really started 266 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 3: talking about it, I thought, this has nothing to do 267 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 3: with him. It was all this old stuff that I 268 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 3: had just gotten triggered into feeling like that's what he 269 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 3: was asking of me or something like I made up 270 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: all these stories in my head, and when I really 271 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 3: broke it down with him, I was like, wait, that 272 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 3: didn't come from him at all. That was so living 273 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 3: inside of me, and it just got triggered when I 274 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 3: was reading this outline. I was thinking, well, isn't it 275 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: always the astrology is right on time, right, Like I'm 276 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 3: always going through exactly what's happening. But it's that theme 277 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: of where you feel like you can start out giving 278 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 3: from a place of just care or wanting in a 279 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 3: positive way, but then it can quickly for me, go 280 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 3: into going too far and like you said, the self 281 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 3: abandonment to the point of the only time I'll recognize 282 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 3: that I'm doing it as if I start melting down 283 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 3: or something. So it's just it's always interesting, but it 284 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 3: totally comes for me from not only this time but 285 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: other lifetimes. And I think all this Chiron and Mars 286 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 3: especially conjunct the South Numbrgo, it just really brought it 287 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 3: up to the surface for me again. 288 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, and it says that in 289 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 2: the right and this last line, compulsion to do it 290 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: all and get it right, yep, stuck in an old loop, harmic. 291 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: It's contenuous. It's a perception perspective that you've get brought 292 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: into this lifetime that you're trying to make a correction 293 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 2: to allow everything to be as it is instead of 294 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 2: trying to make it what you want it to be. 295 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: And of course that's the evolutionary lesson is to trust 296 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 2: the process in opening up to a divine creativity. You know, 297 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 2: one thing I kept saying to her over and over 298 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: was communicate, because she had us out north note in Gemini. 299 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 2: I said, you come in to communicate. You're a tremendous 300 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: sales person because you've got that sage self node and 301 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: they go for goals and go exactly towards what it 302 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: is they want. Well, that doesn't work in a relationship 303 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: because you're needing to communicate inner issues, inner intimacies, inner concepts, 304 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: and you just can't gloss over them and hope they'll 305 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 2: go away. Right, And that's what happens a lot when 306 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 2: we're trying so hard to make something work out like 307 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: we want it to work out. So I mean, there 308 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: it is again. 309 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just your way through it versus actually paying 310 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 3: attention to what's happening. 311 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: Right, And of course guess what this marsh self node 312 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: venus is squaring is Gemini. So that's communication. We've got 313 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: to communicate how we're feeling honestly, whether it hurts that 314 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: person's or not. You're not in charge of hurting anything 315 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: or anybody. You're in charge of being honest, and that's 316 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 2: all you can be. That's all you can give is honesty. 317 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: And so we've got to talk about the it's authentic 318 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 2: self expression. It hurt my feelings, okay, It's just like 319 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 2: when we were arguing the other time, you were saying, well, 320 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 2: I don't feel like i'm being heard. See, that was 321 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:35,959 Speaker 2: an honest expression, and that allowed me to make some 322 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: adjustments in trying to make sure that I was listening 323 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: and responding to you to help you understand that I 324 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: am listening and I do hear you. And so that's 325 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: how it works, and that's how it's supposed to work. 326 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what I love about what you 327 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: just said that I think was a long lesson for 328 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 3: me within relationship, was like you said that I expressed 329 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: myself honestly, and that helped you to make some adjustments 330 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 3: because you actually hurt You did hear me, and then 331 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: you made some adjustments to making sure that that was 332 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 3: being communicated to me. But that's a reciprocal situation, right, 333 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: And I think so often in the past, I would 334 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 3: be in situations where even if I was communicating honestly. 335 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: And I'm saying this for the listeners who if anyone's 336 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 3: struggling in relationship or maybe your client that you were 337 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 3: just talking about. It's like, if you're in a relationship 338 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 3: where you can't communicate honestly and that be heard and 339 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: then maybe you know there's some adjustments made or a rebuttal, 340 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 3: even a kind rebuttal or with other honesty, then you're 341 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 3: not in a reciprocal situation. That's never gonna work anyway. Like, 342 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: if one person is being honest and the other one 343 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 3: doesn't want to have anything to do with that, you 344 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 3: can't carry it all, Like you can't be the only 345 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 3: one doing that. Does that make sense what I'm trying 346 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 3: to say? 347 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 2: What sure? That was exactly the issue that I had 348 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: a you know, a whole discussion with her about. I mean, 349 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 2: you know, if he's not going to be the man 350 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: and you're going to do all the given, it's never 351 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: going to work because that's not what the masculine is. 352 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 3: Well, it's also just one sided and you'll end up 353 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: in place. 354 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can't you can't be responsible for making 355 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: it making it be any other way, but why it is? 356 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 2: But you see what I've always taught Kelly is people 357 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: intuitively know of course, with things aren't. 358 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 3: Right, of course, I always I just didn't. 359 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: Whether's somebody is cheating on them, whether their spouse is cheating. 360 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: I always ask the question, so when did you really 361 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 2: feel and know that it was going on instead of 362 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: when did you bring it up? 363 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 3: Right? That's a great question. 364 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 2: Why would wait so long to go through all that 365 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 2: pain and hurt knowing that there was a cheating going 366 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: on something? 367 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 3: Well, because you don't want to believe it. Right, then 368 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 3: you do all the contorting to try to try to 369 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: make it not true. But it's still true. 370 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: You don't want to believe it because you don't want 371 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: to accept reality. Is reality? Right? I just heard Elon 372 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: Musk say the biggest problem with people is truth, and 373 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 2: they want it to be their truth instead of the truth. 374 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: So we have to learn to release old ways of 375 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 2: our asserting ourselves and relating to others. Embrace soulful service 376 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: without self sacrifice. That is so huge. Embrace soul service 377 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: without self sacrifice. I mean that's the way I've always 378 00:23:54,400 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: measured having to overcome my sensitivity about being a cute 379 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: used of something is I had to look into my 380 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: own heart and say, did I have some skin in 381 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: the game there? What was it my action? And was 382 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 2: I was I aware of that action? And then I 383 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: can If I don't have skin in the game, well 384 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 2: then I don't take it personally at all. If I 385 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: have skin in the game, well then I make an adjustment. 386 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: I take responsibility for me, I take responsibility for my actions. 387 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 2: And that's what we've got to do. We've got to 388 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 2: let go of roles or identities built on pleasing others 389 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: and perfectionism. I mean that says it all. Let go 390 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 2: of roles or identities built on pleasing others. Yeah, you 391 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 2: know it's doing that. 392 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 3: You know it's ping, Oh well for sure, and I 393 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 3: think a lot of people do. I would say that 394 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 3: it's something for me that I still it's just a 395 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 3: instant work in progress on that one. And really the 396 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 3: question I have to ask myself when I find myself 397 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 3: bumping up against that, like am I abandoning myself to 398 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: please others? Am I self sacrificing focusing too much on 399 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 3: being this perfect version of something or creating this perfect scenario, 400 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 3: what's the thing that's being threatened? And most of the 401 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 3: time it's my own security, And so somehow I've put 402 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 3: my security and safety within another person too, which is 403 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 3: also the problem or a situation or a job or anything. 404 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: But all of those things are out of my control 405 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 3: at the end of the day. So to really attach 406 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 3: my security to that thing, of course, I'm going to 407 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: want to try to control it and make it perfect 408 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 3: or you know, people please to think that I'm in 409 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 3: control of a situation or relationship, even it's all unconscious 410 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 3: until I am starting to kind of recognize it. But yeah, anyway, 411 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: all that is to say, I think it's a really 412 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 3: interesting question to ask yourself, like, what's the driver behind 413 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 3: those actions? Because as usually we're just trying to survive 414 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 3: as human beings. I think that's kind of. 415 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 2: I mean, and this statement says it perfect. What part 416 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 2: of you wants to control how others see you? 417 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 3: Right? 418 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,239 Speaker 2: How much do we all walk around want to be 419 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: seen the way we want to be seen? 420 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 3: Right? 421 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: The problem is as we get into trying to manipulate 422 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: how they see us. That's the problem that come line 423 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 2: manipulating how you want to be seen by others. And 424 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 2: so we've got to reclaim our own, our own voice. 425 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 2: We've got to heal the fear of not being enough, 426 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: for being too much. It's got to be you know, 427 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: I like the other one, it's not reclaim your creative voice, 428 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 2: not for validation, but as a sacred act of self love. 429 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: Don't you just love that self act of self love? 430 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: Very Leo. And so when you see a Leo being 431 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 2: a Leo, you just have to understand that that's a 432 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: sacred act of self love. We have to love ourselves. 433 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 2: I mean so often I have said I've told people 434 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: that wanted to get into a relationship, and I said, 435 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: you just love yourself like you want to be loved. 436 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 2: That goes out into the universe and comes directly back 437 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: and absorbed by you. So you've got to have the 438 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: relationship with yourself first. 439 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 3: Yes, that's so. Do you think we look at that. 440 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 2: This whole full moon? I mean, look at that statement, 441 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: having the mental discipline to hold fear and greed at 442 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: lust at bay within oneself, seeking instruction from the inner feminine. 443 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 2: That's the full moon that supports all of this stuff 444 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: that we're trying to go through with this new moon 445 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 2: in Leo and discovering our relationships to ourself because that's 446 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: what really this is always all about, isn't it. So 447 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 2: Leo is just not a relationship to self. And so 448 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: you know, we've got a Neptune saturn opposing the Mars. 449 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of frustration. You know, you got 450 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: to look at the internal blocks, you know, what are 451 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 2: what you angry about? What's the crisis? Transform impulsive reactivity? 452 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,719 Speaker 2: We need to slow down and reflect before we're acting 453 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 2: a lot. I mean, how many times we've been told 454 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: to count to ten twenty? Shit? I hold you. I 455 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 2: told some people, man, you need to count to fifty. 456 00:28:47,480 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 2: Ain't gonna do it. 457 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 3: That's interesting to me. I guess that's the Oh that's 458 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 3: the Saturn opposing Mars. Okay, because I was like, that's 459 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: still a very fully and clearious energy to me. 460 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: But okay, well yeah, but the but the tricks to 461 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: there is it's Neptune. You're not seeing it clearly, right, right, 462 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: So you Saturn is going to structure it the way 463 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 2: you want it the structure, but you're not seeing really 464 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 2: how it should be structured or could be structured that 465 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 2: will be more in balance. And so that's why you've 466 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 2: got to transform this impulsiveness to make it more mindful, 467 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: make it more purposeful action. And then, of course, I mean, 468 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: here we go again with Pluto opposing Mars. Psychological insights 469 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 2: into the shadow and material emerging in conversations or thought patterns. 470 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: You said opposing Mars you mean Mercury, right, Yeah, which 471 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 3: is all about communication. 472 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: It's all about communication. So in other words, we've got 473 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: to learn to use communication with others and how we 474 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: communicate to discover some of these maybe mental intensity or 475 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,959 Speaker 2: truth or manipulation or why are we saying what we're saying. 476 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 2: It's an evaluator. Pluto always brings up shadows and things 477 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 2: that you need to really look at instead of shoving 478 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: it down or hiding it. And so that's a big deal. 479 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: But the biggest deal of the news of the full 480 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: moon for me was that Juno Investor Juno is about 481 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 2: the is about relationships, period. That's your capability of relating. Okay, 482 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: So there's going to be tension in this full moon, 483 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: and if you just think about this whole podcast so far, 484 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 2: you'll understand why there's tension and what you can do 485 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: to address this tension. Unmet needs, identity, commitment. The tension 486 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 2: arises between the need for independence and personal purpose and 487 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 2: the relationship loyalty. I mean, you know that could be 488 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 2: as divisive an issue as there is how do I 489 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: get my needs met? But I stay within the context 490 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 2: of a relationship, So that's will certainly bring a challenge. 491 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 2: So this is karmic contracts, and that's what this Juno 492 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: full Moon's about, is healing that looking at your relationship 493 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 2: issues and realizing that this is a contract that you're 494 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: dealing with this month. You're bringing this in and to 495 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: specifically heal these relationship issues around communications and self love 496 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 2: and of course divesta. This is how we're able to, 497 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 2: you know, express ourselves. This is the bringing about that 498 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: sense of conflict between our calling and emotional needs. The 499 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: healing messages are you a banning your sacred devotion for 500 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 2: external validation see here. Yet again, it's being brought up 501 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: by energies. So it's a lot of energies about validating 502 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 2: self and loving self. And then because when you love yourself, 503 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: you're not hiding yourself, you're not suppressing yourself, You're being 504 00:32:53,440 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 2: honest and you're capable of being loving, joyful and in 505 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 2: harmony when you're you, So that's what it's all about. 506 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 2: One of the things that I liked about this was 507 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 2: what karmic contracts? Am I ready to release? So you 508 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: got to I mean, you know, when I talked to 509 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 2: the client, I mean, you know, that's the one question 510 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 2: I asked her. I said, how are you going to 511 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 2: look at these two major relationships that you had, see 512 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: how they simultaneously kind of did the same thing, and 513 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 2: how did you work with that under knowledge so that 514 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: you can change it going forward. 515 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 3: Well, that's why you take a karma contract, right, Yes, yeah. 516 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 2: You realize what you keep repeating. It's a perception perspective. 517 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: And of course, where am I suppressing my truth to 518 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 2: maintain peace? Oh? Man, that's a big one. 519 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 3: That is the big one. That's a hard thing. I 520 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 3: think it's interesting about the juno aspect because I like 521 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 3: the opposition of expressing yourself, owning your truth, being honest, 522 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 3: really being in touch with your own needs and balancing 523 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: that within a relationship and like what's best for the relationship, 524 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 3: you know. I think that's kind of one of the 525 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 3: battles we're all constantly going back and forth between, is 526 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 3: like how do I not sacrifice myself for this relationship. 527 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 3: But how do I not completely just think about myself 528 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 3: in detriment to the relationship, you know, like just that 529 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 3: balancing act. 530 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, the bottom line to relationships a 531 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 2: win win situation. What do you mean it's never a 532 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 2: sixty forty or forty eighty or forty twenty or it's 533 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 2: never it's a win win. How do I win and 534 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 2: you win? We have our tough I said. You said, 535 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 2: I'm not being listened to. I said, in my own mind, 536 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 2: I need to slow down. I need to pay attention 537 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 2: to what she say and try to convey what I'm 538 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 2: feeling so that we both understand. 539 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a win win, right. 540 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 2: And so too often we try to make it a 541 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 2: m experience that you have to Uh, if you face 542 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 2: it over and over and over, you're going to recognize it. 543 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 3: Sure. 544 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So where my fast is suppressing suppressing my 545 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 2: truth to maintain peace, that's a big one. I don't 546 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 2: want to start no ship here. I say that, Oh are. 547 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 3: You suppressing something? Oh you're saying in relationship in general? Yeah, 548 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 3: that's tough. I mean it is tough. 549 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 2: It is very difficult. So it ain't like everybody, we're 550 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 2: all not dealing with it because we are. 551 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 3: Of course I agree. 552 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 2: And so the Virgo new moon comes on the twenty third. Okay, 553 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 2: and listen to this being true to oneself and viewpoint. 554 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 2: That just sounds like a continuation. 555 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 3: Doesn't it, Yes, very much. 556 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: Observing one's best and worst traits from the reactions of others, 557 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 2: friends and enemies. Who better to learn from than your enemy? 558 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 3: Oof, that one's gonna eat me? But okay, I don't know. 559 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 3: I got to think about that one. 560 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 2: Well, bake it through. Your enemy is going to show 561 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 2: you more than a friend may withhold. A friend may 562 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 2: not tell you, but an enemy will damn sure tell you. 563 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 2: Right then, you got to do what I said earlier. 564 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 2: Then now you have to evaluate what your heart intention is. 565 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, hmmm, ponderings. 566 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 2: Well, and of course it's Virgo, so you know it's 567 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 2: walking to talk cultivating character through honest criticism. How often 568 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 2: do you stand in front of the mirror and say, 569 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 2: you dog you? 570 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 3: Well, I'll be honest, Like, I think there's two types 571 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 3: of people. I think some people don't have any concept 572 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 3: of they don't talk to themselves that way at all. 573 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 3: And then there's people like I'm one of these people. 574 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 3: I'm overly critical of myself, and so I can be like, 575 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 3: I have to talk myself out of doing what you 576 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 3: just described, because I'll break myself down to every nth degree, 577 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 3: you know, and take too much responsibility there, right, And 578 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 3: that's why I'm thumping under the enemy thing as well. 579 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 2: This is where Virgo gets into too much perfectionism exactly, 580 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 2: too much credit, too much evaluation. 581 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 3: So you got to be yes on burning. 582 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 2: Because that's not good either. But the energy for the 583 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 2: Virgo new moon is going to be a Uranus squares 584 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 2: the new moon, which is going to create a lot 585 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 2: of intense dynamics between order and disruption, the known and 586 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 2: the unknown, the routine and the awakening. No, Uranus is 587 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 2: always breaking up Saturn. So we structure our lives with Saturn, 588 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 2: and Uranus comes in and says, okay, you've played that 589 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 2: game long enough, we need to break it up. So 590 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 2: with break up, breakout, break away, and break free is 591 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 2: the name of Uranus, and it's so that we will 592 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 2: grow and evolve. If you state in your Saturn all 593 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 2: the time, if you stayed in your rut of building 594 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 2: the reality you choose, you wouldn't evolve, you'd keep it consistent, 595 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 2: you would keep it so it wasn't challenging. But that's 596 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 2: not allowed with uronics. 597 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 3: Oh isn't transiting my rising sign for the last seven years. 598 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 3: Trust me when I say it will break you down? 599 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,720 Speaker 3: Will it will make you grow? For sure? 600 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. So it'll bring mental restlessness, It'll bring nervous system 601 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 2: rewiring and unconventional communication. So our shadow side, well, we 602 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 2: could have some health floor ups through nervousness stress. The 603 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 2: anxiety could be around needing to control versus the unpredictable. 604 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 2: I mean, if it's unpredictable and yet it's happening, you 605 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 2: got to come to terms with. 606 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 3: It, right, that's the accepting reality thing. 607 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 2: Again, that's accepting reality. So there are a lot of 608 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 2: be a lot of breakdowns of systems and technology. A 609 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 2: lot of things suddenly happen. 610 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 3: It feels like away then at the month. 611 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we got to take a high road, break 612 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,720 Speaker 2: free from rigid routines, discover where we're being so rigid 613 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 2: in our routines. I mean, I just saw something about 614 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 2: breaking that up is just you know, just little things, 615 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 2: just do something different than what you always do. It. 616 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 2: It's a good way too you know, not get stuck 617 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 2: in a rut. We we you know, we had we 618 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,879 Speaker 2: developed these habits and routines. And if you'll just take 619 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 2: a few, maybe one or two each day and do 620 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 2: it differently, do it at a different time, do it 621 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 2: in a different way. That breaks up a rut and 622 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 2: a routine. It brings you more into allowing some of 623 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,760 Speaker 2: that shadow issues to come out instead of being stuck 624 00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,800 Speaker 2: in a rut. Redesign daily practices using intuition and innovation 625 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 2: and flexibility. It braks a healing method or modality that 626 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 2: is radical or futuristic. Another what I road was a 627 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 2: download moment. Sudden insight changes how you see your daily life, 628 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 2: your body, your service work. You know, this is all 629 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 2: about paying attention to the body, because the body will 630 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 2: always tell you what's going on in the mind. Yep. 631 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 2: And so you pay attention to the body. If they 632 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 2: don't feel good, don't do it. That would be the 633 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 2: opposite of us in the sixties. 634 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 3: Right. Well, it seems like overall there's some reoccurring themes, 635 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 3: even with all the different planetary things happening, Like it 636 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 3: seems very clearly like there's a couple of themes that 637 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,240 Speaker 3: are just going to continue to come up in different ways, 638 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 3: in different forms, and so I'm going to put some 639 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 3: of these journal prompts that Marv mentioned on the New 640 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 3: Velvet Edge podcast Instagram. That's going to be something we're 641 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 3: starting this August so now, so you guys can go 642 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 3: check that out. Marv. If anyone wants to do a 643 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 3: session with you and have their own birth chart read 644 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 3: or do some hypnosis, maybe this is a good good 645 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 3: time for hypnosis, right to look deep into the shadows 646 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 3: and things like that. Where would they find you at. 647 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 2: Marv at astrobarv dot com, all right, the best place 648 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,280 Speaker 2: to reach me? Or Marvid bl hypnosis dot com. 649 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll put you away. I'll put both of those 650 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 3: in the description of this podcast for you guys, and 651 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 3: also Marv's website so you can go check out some 652 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 3: of his work. Marv, thanks for being here with us. 653 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,760 Speaker 3: We made it through. We didn't fight this time, see Kelly, 654 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. 655 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 2: We've been in love for so long and we don't fight. 656 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 3: It was very in line with the astrology at the time, 657 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 3: so it all makes sense. The astrology is always astrology. 658 00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 1: Eing. 659 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 3: I guess is that I say that it doesn't really 660 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 3: work anyway, Mark, Yeah, exactly, Marv. Thanks for being with us, 661 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 3: and thank you guys so much for listening. 662 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 2: It was my pleasure. 663 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson, 664 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 1: where we believe everyone has a little velvet in a 665 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: little edge. Subscribe for more conversations on life, style, beauty 666 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: and relationships. Search Velvet's Edge wherever you get your podcasts.