1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Welcome 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 1: back to the show, Ladies and gentlemen. My name is 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: Matt and I am Ben and as always, we are 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: here with our super producer Noel all Hallows Brown. Hello everybody, 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: But you know what bad? I guess? Uh and and 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: no I guess Should we still call you super producer? Dude? Yeah? 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: I mean I've been kind of fond of the nickname, 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: I said, But that's what That's how I introduced myself 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: at parties. It's that weird. No, that's great. People do 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: tend to look at me kind of funny. Can do it, 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: but I would do it if I didn't think I 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: would get busted it met You could do it. We 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: need to get some T shirts made up that you 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: can wear around. We should and while we're doing that, 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: most importantly, ladies and gentlemen, you are here now. You 18 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: heard Nol at the top, and he offered you the 19 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: choice we offer at the beginning of every show to 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: turn back now or learn that's stuff they don't know now. 21 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: If you're hearing this on the day it comes out. 22 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: You're hearing it right before Halloween, the day before Halloween, Right, 23 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: this is our favorite holiday on the show, and each 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: year we tried to do something a little special. So 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: what have we talked about before? Guys? We talked about 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: the origin of Halloween, the origins of sawin which I 27 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: famous and mispronounces Sam haine. Well, it's spelled sam Haines. 28 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: So maybe next time they should check out I spell. 29 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,639 Speaker 1: These were early days, you know, these were early days. 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: We looked into other stuff too, like spooky urban legends. Yeah, 31 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: we've gotten some some great letters in. We've read a 32 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: couple of spooky stories before, right, that is what we 33 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: referred to them as, spooky story. Yes, yeah, you know, 34 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: they could be true, they can be made up. I 35 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: don't know. Some you never really know what these things 36 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: or which is probably the most interesting place for them 37 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: to be for me, They can be somewhere in between. 38 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: That's a great point, no, because that's the nature of 39 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: a story, right, whether fiction or fact. Stories inevitably about 40 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: something that is true. Sure, I mean that's kind of 41 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: scary in and of itself. I mean that seed of 42 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: truth that like you know, you kind of like you 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: feel yourself reaching for in a good scary story. It's like, 44 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, where does that come from? Oh yeah, somebody 45 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: had to think of this. Yeah, yeah, that's uh. And 46 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: that's the scary thing, especially today listeners. As you'll see, 47 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: so before, as Matt had mentioned, we'd ask people to 48 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: give us the spookiest of stories and we received so 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: many a ton. We we get them all the time. 50 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: So basically, what I'm saying is stop sending U spooky 51 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: stories because we can't handle it. I'm just I'm terrified. 52 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm so scared. Don't listen to Matt. You're panicking. Man. 53 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: It's goods send send all the things. Okay, we might 54 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: not be able to do them all right, it might 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: take a decade or more because we typically only do 56 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: about one or two of these a year, and you know, 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: they're pretty intense, and we generally, I was gonna say, 58 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: we generally do that on your behalf worth it. But 59 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: but yeah, one of these that was sent in, it 60 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: was sent to us. Gosh, I don't even know when 61 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: did we get this. It was a long time ago. Yeah, 62 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't remember the year, but it was years back. Yeah, 63 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: I feel like it was even before I was around, 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, in any capecity that is, I think it 65 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: is before you worked here. But anyway, this, the story 66 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: that we got sent to us, was so creepy, you guys. Uh, 67 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: we were honestly a little nervous about even reading it, right. Yeah, 68 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: when we first received this, uh, we didn't really know 69 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: how to handle it or if we should. So here's 70 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: here's the pickle, folks, here's the dilemma. To the points 71 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: that we were making earlier. We don't know whether this story, 72 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: I mean, this email, I mean is factor of fiction. 73 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: So we've had stories before where people are clearly sending 74 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: us a short horror story and that's great, you know, 75 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: and there are great reads, and then we've sent we've 76 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: had people sending us true stories about something strange or 77 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: paranormal that happened to them. The listener who sent this 78 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: in asked not to be identified and was serious enough 79 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: about it. You'll see why assume that that we sat 80 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: on it for years. Today we're gonna do it. I mean, 81 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: obviously we're gonna take a little creative license with this. 82 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: We have a lot of fun putting these stories together 83 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: and doing sound design and kind of making it sort 84 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: of like a radio play. Yes, Um, we're gonna do it. 85 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: I think we maybe changed a few things and that 86 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: what we just like names. Yeah, I think we definitely 87 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: changed Let's say we change the names to protect the 88 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: innocent or yeah, we've changed some names. And uh, we're 89 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: gonna We're just gonna read it to you guys in 90 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: full with some sound design and some help from our coworkers. 91 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram and Lauren Vogel Baumb will be guest starring 92 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: in this episod so to help us make it do 93 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: do a little more justice to it, kind of flesh 94 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: it out, you know. Yeah, yeah, And and and again we're 95 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: not going to make any judgment calls, at least from 96 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: our end on the contents of this story, because it 97 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: is your sad is a story. I mean I might 98 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: well at the end, you know, I don't know, I can't. 99 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: I haven't you know, I mean I haven't heard it yet. 100 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: Oh really, you haven't read this yet. No, No, we'll 101 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: go into the uh let's yeah, let's hang out a 102 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: little bit at the end after this strange journey we're 103 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: about to take. But uh no, you know, no judgment 104 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: on my part at least, well, you guys are so 105 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: non judgmental. I mean, that's the beauty of this. You 106 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: say that. So, hey, no, now that you're officially a 107 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: co host, do you want to do the honors? Which 108 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: honors would those be? Ben? Do you want to start 109 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: the letter? Really? Yeah, I'd love to. Here we go. So, hey, guys, 110 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: big fan of the show. I appreciate what you're doing. 111 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: And though I know you get irritated when you hear this, 112 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: I have to say you're not the typical conspiracy theorists. 113 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: It's very kind. I listened to a lot of How 114 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: Stuff Work shows, but this is the first time I've 115 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: ever written in stuff. You should know asks for Halloween stories, 116 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: but they're looking for fictional stuff. Don't get me wrong, 117 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: it's good. But you guys sounded like you wanted to 118 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: hear something real. Okay, So I'm just gonna write this 119 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: out settle in for a long story. You don't have 120 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: to read the whole thing. I'm sure you guys are busy, 121 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,119 Speaker 1: but if you do read it on air, please don't 122 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: use my name or my email. I'll try to keep 123 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: the details vague because this may have been in the 124 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: news and I don't want to think about it anymore. 125 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: M Well, so maybe this will help either way. It's 126 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: just important for me to get this out to someone. 127 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: I live in a different city now, but when I 128 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: was just out of college, I moved into my first apartment. 129 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: It was off campus, probably paying too much, even with 130 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: my roommate, and we moved into one of those semi 131 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: big apartment complexes, you know, the rundown ones. We still 132 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: had massive student loans and we were worried we wouldn't 133 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: pass the credit check. But the deal was just too 134 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: good to pass up, and honestly, we were both kind 135 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: of desperate. The property manager let us move in early. 136 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: Looking back, I guess they were pretty desperate to rent 137 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: it out. The whole complex was old and kind of 138 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: going downhill, you know. So we moved in about a 139 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: week and a half before the first month of our lease. 140 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: There was still some old furniture around from what I 141 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: assumed was the previous tenants. One of those old lazy 142 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: boy recliners, a microwave that didn't work, one of those 143 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: little wire shower hangers for shampoo or whatever still hanging 144 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: from the showerhead, an old table by the door, you know, 145 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: stuff like that. It wasn't filthy, but it didn't look 146 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: completely clean either. There's this faint odor of mildew spider 147 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: webs in the corners. My room was the smallest one 148 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: h It only had one outlet. It was behind this 149 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: little bedside stand, and the stand had a drawer. So 150 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: on the first night we got all of our stuff 151 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: moved in, and we had pizza and some beers, and 152 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: we went to our rooms to organize all our stuff. Well, 153 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: I jerked the night stand away from the wall because 154 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to set up my computer. I was kind 155 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: of drunk, I guess, because it was lighter than I expected, 156 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: and it fell on top of me. Before looking at 157 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: all the stuff that's spilled out of the drawer, mostly junk, 158 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: little scraps of paper with notes on them, a girl's handwriting, 159 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: I thought, key rings, some necklaces, all those little things 160 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: that people put in drawers because they want to forget 161 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: about them instead of throwing them away, and a thumb drive. 162 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: I picked it up and looked at it, thinking maybe 163 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: whoever owned it would have, you know, put their name 164 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: on it or something. I don't know, but no dice. 165 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: It was super old. Though eight meg's I might have 166 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: even been less It's one of the old ones, a 167 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: little slide that retracts to expose the USB plug, and 168 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: the thing was, it was all matched up. I fired 169 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: it up on my PC, popped to the drive in 170 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: and there are a bunch of audio files. I clicked 171 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: on one at random, and I could hear this girl's voice. 172 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: I wish I hadn't clicked on it, but let's start there. 173 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Mom's the weirdest thing happened today. So 174 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: remember how our cable has been so stupid the past month. 175 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: The building finally sent someone over to fix it, because 176 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: apparently it's the building's fault and not the cable company 177 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: faulty wiring or something. I get out of class and 178 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: rush home in a hurry to get dressed for work. 179 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: But right as I'm opening the door, I hear someone 180 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: in the house. Of course, I think it's Hannah, so 181 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm all like, hey, sorry, Mom, that's just how we 182 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: talk to each other. It's not a mean thing. When 183 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's this guy leading around the 184 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: corner down the hallway. He's in our bathroom. Who the 185 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: hell are you? I say, sorry, and he says in 186 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: this weird voice. Maintenance building sent me over to check wires, 187 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: the cable wires. I say, yes for internet. He walks out, 188 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: and I'm still by the front door, you know, keeping 189 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: it open just in case the guy's a creeper, like 190 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: I know he's not, but he's a strange man in 191 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: my house. And I've seen SPU before. And he goes 192 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: over to the cable motive by the TV and I 193 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: see he's got some tools out and he's scooted the 194 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: TV stand to get at the outlet. So I'm thinking, okay, 195 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: calm down, He's just doing his job. People have to 196 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: use the bathroom, right, And I heard horror stories before 197 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: about how the Yiddish sorry mom, that's just the word. 198 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: How he's apartment's gonna be with fixing stuff. So it's good, right, 199 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: are you Okay? I asked it need me to do anything. 200 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: He just sort of grunts, and I sees leaned over 201 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: on his side. He must have unscrewed the outlet or 202 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: something because he's fiddling with the wall and something in there. Okay, 203 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: I say, just let me know if you need anything, 204 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: and I go to my room and get changed. You know, 205 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to shower, but I didn't really feel cool 206 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: doing that with a stranger there, and I get my 207 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: stuff and while I'm in my room, I hear him 208 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: shout something and I freak out just a little, so 209 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: I come back out. I'll like you okay, and he says, 210 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: old building, bad wires. Uh to come back with new parts? 211 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: Are you coming back tomorrow? I asked. I mean it's 212 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: getting late and he's packing up his stuff and screwing 213 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: back on the outlet when parts come. Do you know 214 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: when that will be? I ask? You know, meaning when 215 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: I should expect to see this guy in my house again. 216 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: Tuesday Thursday. Well, the sooner the better, I guess. And 217 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm in a hurry. I'm already late for work, so 218 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: I just think I'm gonna leave. She talks about her 219 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: folks and her boyfriend, her job. Anyway, I'll skip to 220 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: the next one. It was a few days later. Hey, mom, 221 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: I tried to call earlier, but it couldn't get through. 222 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: The maintenance guy finally came back while I was in 223 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: the shower. When I got out, I heard a noise 224 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: thumping around. You know it wasn't Hannah because her classes 225 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: going to almost seven pm most days. Hello, I said, 226 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: I hear the same guy made today. I went straight 227 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: to my room and got dressed and stayed there for 228 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: a long time, hering him outside in the living room. 229 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: I didn't want to just walk out there, you know. 230 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: I was mad at him for being there. I'm sure 231 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: he heard the shower, but I feel stupid for thinking 232 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: that too, you know, like, like, what's he supposed to do? 233 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: Knock on the bathroom door. That's more creepy. He's just 234 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: some old foreign guy trying to do whatever. And of 235 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: course I'd love to watch Lost at our house instead 236 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: of going over to Chris's. Remind me to tell you 237 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: about that too. Anyway, I'm in the room long enough 238 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: for my hair to be mostly dry, and it sounds 239 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: like the guy is still out there. So I calmed 240 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: down and think I'm not going to hide in my 241 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: own house. So I got into the living room and 242 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 1: he's still there, but he's not working on anything. He's 243 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: just sort of lying on the ground, looking up like 244 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: he was waiting for me. Watch out for the spiders. What? Oh? 245 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: You know the spiders everywhere. You were scared of them 246 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: since that August in summer Cants when an egg hatched 247 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: in your bed and they swore you were right to 248 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: be scared. I can't remember, you know, mom. I don't 249 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: know how he would know any of that, why I 250 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: would say it. Maybe my roommate told him. Excuse me, 251 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: I say, but what is your name? Alex alexey Ashenko. Well, 252 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: get out, cable isn't fixed. I don't care. Come back 253 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: when we're not here. And he grins and stands up, 254 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: taking his tool bag and it's all Grabbian stained, but 255 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: it didn't leave any marks on the curvet. He fishes 256 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: out a business card and leaves it on a table 257 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: beside the door. Here is my number. Leave a message. 258 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: I will come to fix when you're out at school 259 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: or work early. Is okay? I just stand there, fuming, 260 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: and finally he leaves. I try to call Hannah, but 261 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: she's not answering. It's weird having a roommate. I feel 262 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: like I haven't seen her in days. I try to 263 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: call her again. We're hearing the phone ring and ring 264 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: without an answer, and then I hear something else, like 265 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: a like a faint buzz, like a phone vibrating. She's 266 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: always losing things, so I'm relieved. I call again, and 267 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: I hold the phone down by my side as I 268 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: walk around the living room searching for the vibration. It's 269 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: behind the TV, near the motive in the cable. Jam 270 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: im with the TV standing Well, there's her phone right 271 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: where this Alex guy was. Calm down, I'm thinking, even 272 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: though I totally feel a panic attack coming on, just calm. 273 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: She could have dropped it maybe, So I bent over 274 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: to pick it up, and I see a little piece 275 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: of red lace sticking out from under the stand, like 276 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: like stuffed under. So I pull it out. Mom, it 277 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: was a pair of Hannah's panties. Should maybe they just 278 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: got tossed back there? Should I call the police? Here's 279 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: the last part the next evening, Mom, I wish you 280 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: would answer the phone. I called the police, but they 281 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: said there wasn't really a crime. So so I'm just 282 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: putting this recorder on. I don't want to sound crazy, 283 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: I don't, but just in case, you know, just in case. Okay, 284 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: So I'm calling the property manager Overlook Apartments. Hey, this 285 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: is Stacy in room two thirty seven. I'm I'm calling 286 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: about the maintenance man. Do you have an appointment? He's 287 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: been trying to fix my cable for like a week. 288 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: All right, let me check it out on this end, right. Ah, yeah, no, 289 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: I don't see it in our records anywhere. You're kidding. No, oh, 290 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: we usually have a file for each one. So do 291 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: you remember he spoke to Was it Jose or Poulo 292 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: or something? Um, it was like alex alex as shank 293 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: something of foreign guy. I'm sorry, who did you say? 294 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: Alex a something Alexie at Shanko. Yeah, yeah, that's it, 295 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: that's not possible. Does he not work here? Yeah? He did. 296 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: My first year started here and then he died. So 297 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: do you mind play much of talking about maintenance? That's 298 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: the last file. That's how it ends her story at least. 299 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: I called the police to see if there were any 300 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: reports for this unit, but they came up with nothing. 301 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: And tried to google it, but I couldn't find much. 302 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: But what I did find disturbed me. Our town really 303 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: did have a maintenance man named Ashenko. He'd been linked 304 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: to several disappearances of college aged girls in the area 305 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: and even in another state. When in instigators found the body, 306 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: they ruled his death a suicide. But it makes me 307 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: wonder what if someone else got to him before the police, 308 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: A parent. Maybe I left a message with a property 309 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: manager before I went to work that night, and when 310 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: I came back the next morning, nothing was moved in 311 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: my apartment. My roommate was out of town, but the 312 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: thumb drive was gone. And that's the end. And that 313 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: is how the email ends. Yeah, just like that, just 314 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: say yeah, I have a nice day, Noel and Matt. 315 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: I want to thank you guys for taking the time 316 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: to make such a such a fantastic adaptation of this story. Now, 317 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: the show is not over, even though that story is. 318 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: What we're going to do now is maybe real little 319 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: listener mail, but we're gonna I think the three of 320 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: us should talk about this story a little bit, and 321 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: I just want to hear your opinions because we haven't 322 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: really talked off air. Sure, but well yeah, we've talked 323 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: off air about this a lot, but not with our superproducer. 324 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: Awesome Town Noel Brown. Right, Oh, did you like that 325 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: Awesome Town, Noel Brown. I feel like we're gonna start 326 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 1: introducing my stuff like that parties Now it's the intros 327 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: are gonna you guys. I go, I go, I get 328 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: invited to parties. Yeah, but it sounds like pretty soon 329 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: you're going to spend three minutes of introduction for every 330 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: you know how when royalty is introduced, Yeah, get a 331 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: friend to another of the handles and all that first 332 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: of his name presenting awesome time, No Brown, I'll be good. 333 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: That does sound good? You have I need? I need 334 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: a minstrel to follow me around and unroll a red 335 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: carpet everywhere I go while singing my praises on the lute. 336 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: They need to walk in front of you backwards. That 337 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: would be we need people start out the logistics. We'll 338 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: start out the logistics, but first a word from our sponsor. 339 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: What do you think about this email? You, guys? I 340 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: don't know, Like I thought it was very entertaining. It 341 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: was definitely creepy. Kind of made me think of one 342 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: of those creepy pasta's. Yeah that's you know, that's exactly 343 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: I felt. I don't know, you know how I am, guys. 344 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: I I read into it like, oh man, I can 345 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: see this, I can see this happening. But I don't know. 346 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just the way that we present it. Because 347 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: we did it with characters, it feels like a story. 348 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: But when it's written down on paper and you're just 349 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: reading this, like I said at the top, any we 350 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: took some we took some some liberties. Yeah, but okay, 351 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: getting the I just want to say, getting the getting 352 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: the story and just reading it cold was a completely 353 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 1: different different experience. Yeah. Well, there's some questions for me, 354 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: why would someone because it's not clear about what year 355 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: this happens, and so why would someone save audio files 356 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: on the thumb drive? That was my first thought, like 357 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: when I was reading through it um for this, you know, 358 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: to do the story like that if I felt like 359 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: there was some cool conspiracy element that was missing, like 360 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: why are they on the thumb drive? Like who who 361 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: put them on the thumb drive? Why is the thumb 362 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: drive important? Well, she was going to send him to 363 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: her mom because you know, maybe the files were too 364 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: large for AOL. And we did we we's, Yeah, we 365 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: should be clear some of this stuff. We changed. We 366 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: we censored some people's names. But also for the maintenance 367 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: man that is mentioned in the in the audio file, uh, 368 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: we just used an entirely different name because you know, 369 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: we looked into between the time when we first got 370 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: this email and the time that we decided to adapt 371 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: it for today's show. Uh, we looked around and not 372 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: only are there cases of this kind of violence or 373 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: you know, a criminal maintenance worker. But there there, there's 374 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: much more than one. I mean, I guess it makes 375 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: sense the terms of someone having access, you know, to 376 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: college age girls and being what would one would consider 377 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: a safe person to have around and wouldn't think twice about, 378 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: you know, letting them into their apartment. It certainly seems 379 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: like it could be a pretty good, you know, killing 380 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: ground for someone that was allowed to do harm in 381 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: that way. I'm not surprised that you found town Town 382 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: What did you What did you find? I didn't look 383 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: into this as much as you did. So the most 384 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 1: recent example would be in April, and we know that 385 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: had to be completely unrelated to this if it, if 386 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: it is real or based in some kind of truth, 387 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: because in April often a fifty six year old former 388 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: maintenance worker was fired from a complex, but he retained keys, 389 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: and he kept showing up as though he did work there, 390 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: and he had been sort of let's got a little 391 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: h's got a little shiver there. Yeah, seriously, he had 392 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: been lecherously sort of stalking, uh, this twenty seven year 393 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: old student who lived there, and they have been trying 394 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: to talk to her on the Internet and stuff. This 395 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: was over near Drexel University and he she came into 396 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: the apartment on her phone with her mother and he 397 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: was laying in wait. So he attacked her and you know, 398 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: assaulted and killed her. And his name is James Harris. 399 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: Uh he's definitely not a ghost. Definitely not a ghost. Yeah. 400 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: Uh he was um waiting for about thirty minutes. Um. 401 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: He also he had a long list of priors, including 402 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: voluntary manslaughter of his father. So the problem with this is, 403 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: um right, I believe he may have been a handyman. 404 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: But the the problem with the kind of thing is 405 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: just like what you're talking about, the is that people 406 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: have access two people have access to someone's private private 407 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: delmicile I guess to be fancy about it. And part 408 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: of it comes from this massive psychological conditioning that we 409 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: all experience, which is, uh, you know, if you see 410 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: someone dressed as a doctor matt unite, like we did 411 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: this video where you just wear a white coat and 412 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: walk around and right you see someone with the tie 413 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: or a blazer, which is you know, advantageous because you think, oh, 414 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: there doing something important, right, you know, and I mean 415 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's one of these things too, where you 416 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: assume that these folks have been vetted, you know, like 417 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: someone that's coming into your home to fix your cable 418 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: that works for an apartment complex. Is it's going to 419 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: come and you know, fix your toiler or something. You 420 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: don't think twice about it. You don't think to ask 421 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: the person their name and do a personal background check 422 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: on these people. You you trust that the people in 423 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: charge have already done that. And clearly that's not always 424 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: the case for many reasons. Whether you know, people are 425 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: trying to get cheap labor, you know, and give a 426 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: pass to some things in the past, perhaps you know, 427 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: and hire someone on despite them having some theinial past 428 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: and pay them less. You never know, I mean kind 429 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: of things like that that could happen. But what what 430 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: the reason I said it gave me shivers? And you 431 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: told me that story was because you know, we were 432 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: talking at the top of the podcast about the seed 433 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: of truth, like and at the heart of like a 434 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: fictional story. And I'm gonna go out on a limb here, 435 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: guys and say that our anonymous email friend is likely, 436 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: you know, spinning a little yarn for us here. And 437 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: it was very well done, and I really enjoyed it. 438 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say that for sure, because you know, 439 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: we don't know, but um, I feel like at the 440 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: heart of that story is this vulnerability that we're talking 441 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: about here, and this idea that you're not always safe 442 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: and that the people who present themselves as safe are 443 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: not always what they appear to be. I'm not saying 444 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: that they're necessarily murderous ghosts, but you know, there is 445 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: That's that's what good stories are rooted in, is like 446 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: his reality is, you know, this fear of being vulnerable 447 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: in that way. And so that's what gave me child 448 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: when you described that case, because it was obviously very 449 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: similar too. But you know, we all have that. We 450 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: all are probably too trusting, and there's a very fine 451 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: line between being too trusting and being a sucker and 452 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: putting yourself out there in a play and to a 453 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: point where you're you're not safe, you know. So yeah, 454 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: I definitely get that feeling now when my wife and 455 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: son heer at home and there's a maintenance person coming 456 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: over or somebody who's gonna work on plumbing and I 457 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: just don't know, and I you know, I hate to 458 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: live that way, to think, well, what if this happens, 459 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: but if I don't, something does happen. And not to 460 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: mention if you'd actually been victimized in that way before, 461 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: you know. I M the closest I've come to anything 462 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: like that was I got rushed by a dude in 463 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: a in a subway station in New York when I 464 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: was about to catch a train. It was relate at night, 465 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: and I was loaded down with a bunch of camera 466 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: gear and like a big jacket, and it was really cold, 467 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: and I was with a friend who was, you know, 468 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: quite a few paces back, and this guy you know, 469 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: rushed me, looked like he was gonna try to take 470 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: me down and robbed me. Didn't end up happening, never 471 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: laid a hand on me. My friend walked up and 472 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: it kind of spooked him and he ran away. But 473 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: just that amount of almost being victimized freaked me out 474 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: to no end. So I cannot imagine what it would 475 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: do from my worldview if something horrible happened where I 476 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: was taking advantage of in such a way I do. 477 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: I don't think I would be able to look at 478 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: things the same way ever again. And then that subversion 479 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: of authority figures is such a it's such a powerful thing, 480 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,479 Speaker 1: because authority figures are such a powerful thing, right. Uh, 481 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: The difference between a person and position in society is 482 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: often just the clothing they appear to wear. There's a 483 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: little bit of a deep cut. When I was a kid. 484 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,719 Speaker 1: One of the first books that really scared me as 485 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: a child and sounds so stupid now. It's a children's 486 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: book called Miss Nelson is Missing. And in Miss Nelson's Missing, 487 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: these kids had this really nice mouseie teacher. No one 488 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: respected her, and so one day she's gone, and she's 489 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: replaced by this substitute who's saying like what looks like 490 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: court face paint and is absolutely utter evil. It's a 491 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: children's books, so she's not like eating the kids or 492 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, wearing their skin or anything. But that's how 493 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: I felt the same way. And and the most terrifying 494 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: thing about that kind of stuff is that big I 495 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: guess I wasn't. I wish I was smart enough as 496 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: a kid to think of this. The most terrifying thing 497 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: was that for the rest of the school it was normal, 498 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: even though which was replaced by this monster. Spoiler alert 499 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: for everyone who might be about to spend the twelve 500 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: bucks or whatever to check out this book. It turns 501 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: out that miss Nelson was teaching them a lesson and 502 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: she's just pretending to be a monster, so it's all 503 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: okay at the end, right, yeah, which is totally you know, 504 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: It's very similar, if you think about it, to someone 505 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: feeling unappreciated when they're dating and then disappearing and coming 506 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: back into disguise and dating someone, which I've never tried, 507 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: but it sounds like an interesting plot for something. They 508 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: made this movie about it. It's called Gone Girl, was it? No? No, 509 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: you're thinking of Mrs doubt Fire. Doubt right. This is Doubtfire, 510 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: sort of the Gone Girl of cross dressing comedies. I 511 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: just had to do. You know what book scared the 512 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: crap out of me when I was a kid. It 513 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: was called To Loose the Chocolate Moose. It was about 514 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: a mouse who was made of chocolate and he goes 515 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: out into the sun and he melts and it's horrifying looking. 516 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna leave it at that that. I'm sorry 517 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: I should have spoiler alerted that one, but say the 518 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: title again, to Loose like to Lose the Chocolate Mouse alight. 519 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: It haunts my dark chocols my days and my nights. 520 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's yeah, it looks like um oh, 521 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: like some sort of like a wax wax figure in 522 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: a wax museum that's melting. Was just like gobs of 523 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 1: like goo coming off of his moose face. It's awful. 524 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: It really really traumatized. You're triggering childhood memories in me. 525 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: Even remember what the takeaway from the story was. It 526 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: was probably like be good to each other. It was 527 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: where sunscreen obviously, don't be don't be a chocolate movese. Yeah, 528 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: oh no I do. I do not have one. But 529 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: I do have a question. All right, When you guys 530 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: move into an apartment complex or house or something, when 531 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: you have moved in the past, do you proactively get 532 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: the locks changed or do it on your own, even 533 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: if the apartment complex does it for you. I am 534 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: not proactive in that way. No, no, I actually I've 535 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: never really lived in an apartment complex. I owned a 536 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: house and now I rent a little house, and um, 537 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I trust my landlord. He's a nice fellow. Yeah, 538 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: But see the thing is, it doesn't matter if you 539 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: trust the landlord or not. People working for him. He does, 540 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: he does, he does all his own work. You know 541 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: he's good old who he going to give you a 542 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: shout out. Look, I'm not I'm not saying who he's 543 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 1: a bad guy. That's his name. Yeah, that's that's his name. 544 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, h U. I just saying man who 545 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: we don't maybe doesn't know everything that's going on around 546 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: his world, that's true. I don't know. It freaks me out. 547 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: So I learned about this new kind of not new, 548 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: but it's an extra locking system that you can get 549 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: that actually goes into the steel. You can get steel 550 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: around your door and then actually have steel in your 551 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: door and have a large bar that goes into the steel. 552 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: So even if someone tries to break your door down, 553 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: just kick it in style. I mean, you know them, 554 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: what can happen? And you can always just get bear traps. Oh, 555 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 1: get bear traps, have them on the ground, have them 556 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: hanging from the ceiling with a trip wire so they 557 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: drop on the person's head. And that's and that's important. 558 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: Maybe not even a person because according to this statistic 559 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: I made up earlier, about thirty eight percent and break 560 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: ends are due to bears, so not all of them. 561 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to make a stereotype and say that 562 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 1: all bears are thieves. Some of them, I understand, are 563 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, decent, but uh but yeah, it might be 564 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: worth bear traps. I read a stat that bears largely 565 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: are responsible for the majority of picnic basket thefts in 566 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: the country. Yeah, oh man, that's what I've got, this 567 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: new kind of picnic basket. It's got a steel frame 568 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: around it, and there's this bar that goes through the basket. Uh, 569 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't make the best sandwiches. I'm being 570 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: completely honest, And you know, I don't appreciate I don't 571 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: appreciate all. Sorry, no, but seriously though, I mean, like, 572 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, to take it back a notch. I mean, 573 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: there there is something to be said about like that 574 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: line between paranoia and safety, you know, like and I 575 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: think that's what this story today was largely about. I mean, 576 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: it was sort of like a supernatural version of that. 577 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: But I think, you know, stay safe out there, guys, 578 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: you know, but don't even fear. That's that's that's my advice, 579 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: been cautious optimism. Yeah that's me. That's actually on my 580 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: real nickname. How I introduced myself at parties is uh, 581 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm Noel cautiously optimistic brown. Nice. Yeah, the cautious optimist 582 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: sounds it has some nice essence to it. YEA. So 583 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: let's close on this. Are you guys doing anything special 584 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: for Halloween? Dark rites? No, I have my my My 585 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: daughter is gonna be hanging out. I'm gonna go to 586 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: Athens with her where she lives, and we're gonna trick 587 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: or treat with her friends. I think I'm gonna be 588 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: the Ice King from from Adventure Time. I can pull 589 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: it together. Already got the beard. I just got to 590 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: get some of that white spray stuff and I'm gonna 591 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: paint my face blue and get a Burger king crown 592 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: and put on a sheet. I think that should do 593 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: the trick where some sandals, right, good, Ice King, I haven't. 594 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: I haven't seen Frozen. It's not man, it's Adventure Time. 595 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: I haven't seen Adventure Time. He monster. I'm sorry. I know. 596 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: It's it's driving a wedge between our friendship. Pretty bad man. 597 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm usually able to b s my way through context 598 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: clues and conversations, but I don't want to lie to 599 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: you guys. Well, Ice King is a megalomaniacal king of 600 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: the ice realm, and he's always getting ragged on by 601 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: Finn and Jake because he's a little bit you know, 602 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: crazy and kind of full of himself. And he's got 603 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: some pretty incredible powers, but he's also just kind of bananas, 604 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: so he doesn't really use them for really good or evil. 605 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: He's just kind of useless, honestly. I mean, I guess 606 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: he does some evil, but he does. He did his 607 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: kidnap princesses on the rag. He does question without youre 608 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: getting mad at me. I don't know, man, I can't. 609 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: I can't speak to you know what. That's fair. That's tough, 610 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: but fair. Um, who's Finn Jake not? This is not 611 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: an Adventure Time podcast? Okay, all right, you know what. 612 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: That's a good point, man. So you're doing anything special, 613 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 1: h know. We're going to see family and just show 614 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: the baby around. Basically you can. You just can pass 615 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: it around the room, hold this and then run for 616 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: a little while, but we'll be back. It'll be like 617 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 1: the collection plate, just like put money in the one esie. 618 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: Oh man. 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