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Speaker 1: the last time we were very close to nuclear annihilation. Now,

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Speaker 1: that assured nuclear deterrence, that assured destruction. Knowing that, hey,

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Speaker 1: if you go and we detect we are bombs automatically launch. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's a great book out there. We look up the book,

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Speaker 1: her names and she wrote a book on a nuclear war.

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Speaker 1: It'll come up. She's she's been on Joe Rogan, she

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Speaker 1: was on Sean Show. But wrote this really intense, unbelievable

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Speaker 1: book that describes nuclear annihilation. Did you find it?

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Speaker 2: Annie Jacobson's book A Scenario?

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Speaker 1: Annie Jacobson's book Nuclear War A Scenario? Do yourself a

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Speaker 1: favor or that's kind of an odd thing to say

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Speaker 1: in that Jory maybe not call it a favor, but

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Speaker 1: it educates yourself, as what I'm saying, and go read

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Speaker 1: that book. And if you're not becoming a ardent anti

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Speaker 1: nuclear person, nuclear weapons person, then I don't know what

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Speaker 1: will make that. And that's where we're at. You know,

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Speaker 1: these two organizations, these two countries, India and Pakistan, neither

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Speaker 1: one of them have signed the nuclear proliferation agreements. India,

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Speaker 1: how however, has stated that we are not a first strike.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to be in that first strike. We

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Speaker 1: will only respond for Pakistan. And they're cowboys, right, and

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Speaker 1: if they feel the threats too high, they could launch that.

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Speaker 1: So nuclear Even if it's a tactical nuclear strike, Even

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Speaker 1: if it's small and you take out let's say seventy

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Speaker 1: million people, that's still going to initiate a nuclear winner

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Speaker 1: because that fallout will obviously that radiation is going to

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Speaker 1: get in and around the atmosphere and cover substantial portions

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Speaker 1: of the Earth. Did you find out what those numbers were?

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Speaker 1: What are they? I did?

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Speaker 2: So they're about neck and neck. India has approximately one

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy two warheads and Pakistan has approximately one

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy warheads. And it should be noted that

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Speaker 2: Pakistan is producing a little bit more per year than

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Speaker 2: India is, so India is slightly ahead, but Pakistan's growing faster.

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Speaker 1: Both those countries have stated, though by twenty twenty, twenty

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Speaker 1: thirty or twenty twenty, twenty twenty, it was a recent

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Speaker 1: one like twenty six, twenty seven, maybe that they both

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Speaker 1: want to be up to about four hundred nuclear devices.

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Speaker 2: They want like almost double or basically.

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Speaker 1: Double, basically a little more double in the next three

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Speaker 1: to five years. That's not good. We don't need these

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Speaker 1: types of countries increasing nuclear arsenals. We need a degree decrease,

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Speaker 1: all right, so now that you have a broader overview,

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Speaker 1: what are my thoughts? What's my My opinion is that

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Speaker 1: China is already on the horn calling up UH, their

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Speaker 1: folks in in UH Pakistan and telling them, hey, an

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Speaker 1: halt enough of this ship, stop what you're doing, an

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Speaker 1: holt uh enough because the disruption to their UH tactical access,

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Speaker 1: shall we say, to the Indian Ocean, as well as

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Speaker 1: you know, to their access into both UH Pakistan, but

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Speaker 1: also more importantly, I think, for them into Afghanistan because

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Speaker 1: they just got all the contracts UH with UH for

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Speaker 1: all their rare earth minerals, in particular lithium, which is massive.

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Speaker 1: And then also it gives them a direct conduit to

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Speaker 1: their partners in Iran. So that's that's another thing. Whereas

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Speaker 1: I would also be willing to say that people within

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration, maybe Mark o'rubi or someone is on

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Speaker 1: the phone with Mody and saying, hey, what the hell

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Speaker 1: are you doing and halt We just signed a great agreement.

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Speaker 1: Don't you don't go flexing right now. Let's get you

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Speaker 1: built up. Let's, you know, increase your defenses, increase your military,

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Speaker 1: Let's give you a bunch of other you know abilities

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Speaker 1: to shoot down you know, an anti missile defense or

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Speaker 1: missile defense system. Let's sell you in a couple F

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Speaker 1: thirty fives or F sixteen's or whatever it is, and

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Speaker 1: slow your role, like chill a little bit, all right,

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Speaker 1: and stop with what you're doing. So, although it seems

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Speaker 1: to be something that could cause and is causing some

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Speaker 1: consternation for the global population and particular people of the region,

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Speaker 1: I do believe that the influence is so substantial on

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Speaker 1: both of those countries in their current states, particular the

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Speaker 1: relationship between India and the United States, obviously in Pakistan

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Speaker 1: and China, that this will hopefully be disfused in the

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Speaker 1: next several months. I think in these regions there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of sable rattling, so people don't lose face. But

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Speaker 1: I definitely don't think this is going to escalate now.

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Speaker 1: Making predictions like that not always the best thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, people will start if I get

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Speaker 1: too many of these wrong, people are start calling me

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Speaker 1: the Jim Kramer of national security, and god, I don't

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Speaker 1: want that, Moniker. So I hope this has been informative

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Speaker 1: to you. I really hope that it's enabled you to

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Speaker 1: that's really our job. On the David Brutherford Show, I

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Speaker 1: I was able to consolidate that. And it looks like

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Speaker 1: we're right around you know, forty minutes. Is that where

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Speaker 1: we're at right now? Just about? All right? Man? So

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