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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Is there a New England serial killer? In the last

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Speaker 2: days grim discoveries fueling serial killer fears, the body count

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Speaker 2: rising eight bodies found in New England within just weeks.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 2: thank you for.

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Speaker 1: Being with us.

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Speaker 3: Darre in New England. As towns across Connecticut, Rhode Island,

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Speaker 3: and Massachusetts are rocked by the gruesome discovery of several

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Speaker 3: sets of remains in various stages of decomposition, residents fear

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Speaker 3: a serial killer is on the loose living amongst them.

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Speaker 2: Joining us an all star panel, but straight out to

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Speaker 2: the scenes. Standing by Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations, USPA Nationwide Security,

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Speaker 2: leading a team of investigator specializing and locating missing people

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Speaker 2: at USPA Security dot Com. Brian, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. Explain where you are in a significance.

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Speaker 4: I'm right now in Plymouth, Massachusetts, just adjacent to a

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Speaker 4: patch of woods where just about a month ago, a

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Speaker 4: human skull was discovered by a hunter who was walking

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Speaker 4: a couple of deer paths looking for antlers. Less than

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Speaker 4: three weeks ago, Massachusetts State Police and the Plymouth Police

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Speaker 4: searched the woods after the skull was found. Notably, just

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Speaker 4: the skull was found. Police have not identified the skull

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Speaker 4: or any other remains in the area right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, rav Is Gibbons, curious, You and I have investigated

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Speaker 2: only portions of the body were found here the skull now.

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Speaker 2: Very often, when there is a densely area like where

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Speaker 2: you are right now in Plymouth, animal activity, in other words,

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Speaker 2: animals tearing apart the body will be responsible for a

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Speaker 2: certain amount of disbursement. But Bravus Gibbons, if the disbursement

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Speaker 2: was due to animal activity, you would expect to find

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Speaker 1: So this tells me maybe.

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Speaker 2: Human hands were involved in disposing of this body.

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Speaker 4: Brian, Absolutely, Nancy, And to paint a better picture for

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Speaker 4: the audience, this patch of woods is relatively small. It's

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Speaker 4: The terrain is very difficult, so when you look at

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Speaker 2: Okay, you just said something very very important, Bryan fitzgib

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Speaker 2: is Brian on the Saine near Plymouth. That means to

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Speaker 2: me that someone that knew the area or had regular

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Speaker 2: access to it is responsible for putting the skull there,

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Speaker 2: if not the rest of the body. Why Because it is,

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Speaker 2: as you said, cornered on all sides residential highway.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what were you saying?

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Speaker 4: You're exactly right, Nancy. You would have to know where

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Speaker 4: That's the one spot that you can get into the

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Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, it's Gibbons. You just said it

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Speaker 2: Is it heavily traveled? Does it go from where to where?

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Speaker 1: Ruth three guys. From Boston to Cape Cod.

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Speaker 2: It's very heavily traveled, which means anybody driving by can

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Speaker 5: Listen, the public is terrified there's a serial killer on

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Speaker 1: Okay, Brian has gibbons.

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Speaker 2: That's the skull to which you are referring, the jawless

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Speaker 2: Let's see that again. You don't usually find a human

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Speaker 2: But I guarantee you one of these millionaires didn't throw

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Speaker 7: And as you point out, someone must have surveyed this

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Speaker 2: And then Page's body found despite fast moving water from

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Speaker 2: me now. Harmonia Rodriguez chfus reporter with dailymail dot Com, Harmonia,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Also host of Welcome

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Speaker 2: to Magalan podcast Harmonia. The skull to which fitz Gibbons

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Speaker 9: Page that we just mentioned. Her body had only gone

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Speaker 1: Green in color.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now or a now expert Doctor Kendall Crown's

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Speaker 2: Doctor Keindl Crowns, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: What does that tell you that the skull was green

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Speaker 6: It's been out in those woods long enough that moss

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Speaker 6: something associated with the individual's death or chemical being used

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Speaker 10: With a very vague call where it was that determine

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Speaker 10: A groutin Connecticut. Resident visiting a loved one at the

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Speaker 10: woman has lightly pigmented skin and may suffer from Turner syndrome,

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't want to be misleading in any way.

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Speaker 2: That still leaves me seven dead bodies and counting.

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Speaker 3: Page Fanning is a thirty five year old hairdresser from

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Speaker 2: Page fan of one of eight dead people their bodies

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Speaker 1: Eight bodies.

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Speaker 2: I think we can exclude one of them from any

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Speaker 12: Listen, there have been many rumors and unsassociated fear mongering

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Speaker 2: Okay, the same exact thing was said about so many

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Speaker 13: Rumors of a serial killer in Portland, Oregon begin with

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Speaker 14: A grand jury has indicted Jesse Calhoun on murder and

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Speaker 2: From our friends a ko I N six authorities reiterated

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Speaker 15: We recognize that until today there have been many questions

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Speaker 2: Now from our fans at KPTV Fox twelve, back to

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Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons joining us on the same Plymouth mass I

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. Nancy and Massachusetts State Police have released very limited information,

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Speaker 4: that this skull had been there for quite some time now.

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Speaker 4: That has caused some concern of two local families of

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Speaker 2: Back to doctor Kendall Crown's joining US Chief Medical Examiner

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Speaker 2: Terren County, star of a brand new hit podcast, Mayhem

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Speaker 2: in the Morgue, a couple of quick questions, Doctor Kendall Crowns, again,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. How do you look

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Speaker 2: at a skull and determine if it's male or female? Specifically, now,

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Speaker 2: we don't have a jawbone.

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Speaker 6: Yes, The upper teeth are part of the maxilla which

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Speaker 6: the upper teeth stayed in place. Because when the guns

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Speaker 6: One of the things that anthropologists will look at for

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Speaker 6: Often the male's skulls will be larger, but occasionally do

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Speaker 2: And I believe there are differences in the size of

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Speaker 6: Yes, you can tell age on an individual bite based

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Speaker 2: And of course you can possibly even make an id

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Speaker 2: The odds are millions to one, that's one way. But

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Speaker 1: Brian, I think you're right.

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Speaker 4: At this point, we haven't heard that any teeth have

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Speaker 4: hard to locate any teeth that it may have fallen

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Speaker 2: What about the possibility, doctor Kendle Crowns, of getting DNA.

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Speaker 6: Yes, you can get DNA from the skull, especially if

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Speaker 6: So there's teeth.

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Speaker 3: A series of bone chilling discoveries in New England continues

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Speaker 3: when Suzanne Wormser's remains are found stuffed in a suitcase

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Speaker 2: Is a serial killer stalking in the New England region?

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Speaker 2: So far, all we hear is no, no, no no

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Speaker 1: Subtracting that out.

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Speaker 2: We still have seven bodies and County joining me right

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Speaker 2: now is a very special guest joining us. Jane Barowski

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Speaker 2: at seven months pregnant.

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Speaker 1: Let that sink in. She was stabbed twenty seven times.

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Speaker 2: She is the lone survivor of the Connecticut River Valley

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Speaker 1: Jane, thank you so much for being with us. Oh,

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Speaker 1: thank you Nancy for having me. Ms Barrowsky.

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Speaker 2: When you heard the news that a serial killer could

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Speaker 16: I was quite frustrated when I was listening to law

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Speaker 1: And we're showing a sketch right now now, Jane.

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Speaker 16: That sketch right there is the composite that I did

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Speaker 2: Jane, Why are you so concerned about what LA law

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Speaker 16: Because I think that they should be letting people know

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Speaker 16: aware of their surroundings and you know the buddy system and.

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Speaker 1: You know, carry protection.

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Speaker 16: They say that all these cases are not suspicious, but

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Speaker 16: is like if it's.

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Speaker 2: A suicide, Oh my goodness, Jane, to know, Jane, that's

442
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Speaker 2: what I've got written in big letters with a magic marker.

443
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Speaker 2: If you don't even know the cod cause of death

444
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Speaker 2: with these seven remaining that we know of seven dead bodies.

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Speaker 1: Then how can you say they're not connected?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with you, that is unfounded and

447
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: that's suspicious.

448
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: That's very suspicious.

449
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Speaker 16: Like if you can't share that or you don't know

450
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Speaker 16: I mean some of these bodies or remains, they've already

451
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Speaker 16: said that it's not suspicious before they even sent them

452
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Speaker 16: out to be examined. How can they even determine.

453
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Speaker 2: That it's frustrating problem, don't move. Jane Browski. Another problem

454
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Speaker 2: to Brian Fitzgibbons joining us at the sea where one

455
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Speaker 2: of the sets of remains were found.

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Speaker 1: Brian usp a nationwide.

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Speaker 2: Security leading a team of investigators finding missing people and

458
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Speaker 2: helping to solve unsolved homicides.

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Speaker 1: Brian the prompt one of the mini problems.

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Speaker 2: Here is and this is not peculiar to New England,

461
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: this is everywhere. This is why Bundy took so long

462
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Speaker 2: to solve, and israel Keys took so long to solve,

463
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: and so many others took so long to solve. You

464
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Speaker 2: basically have to take out an ad on Third Avenue.

465
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Speaker 1: I did it.

466
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Speaker 2: I'm the serial killer because the law enforcement aren't stupid,

467
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Speaker 2: They're not dumb. Is that jurisdictions are not in the

468
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Speaker 2: same system. You could have two dead bodies with different

469
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Speaker 2: inmos of disposal in let's just say Massachusetts, and then

470
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Speaker 2: another dead body in Connecticut with a different method of disposal,

471
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Speaker 2: and on and on and nobody. It's not that they

472
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Speaker 2: hate each other or they're intentionally ignoring each other. It's

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Speaker 2: they don't have the ability the structural possibilities of that

474
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Speaker 2: being in the same database. What I mean, they're not

475
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Speaker 2: talking to each other about these dead bodies.

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Speaker 4: Certainly, Nancy. And that's where you know, law enforcement would

477
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Speaker 4: consider and should consider the creation of a task force

478
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Speaker 4: where there's one of these, where these agenceencies can openly

479
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Speaker 4: collaborate and communicate on evidence, the victimology of the victims

480
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Speaker 4: that have been found here and in any new data

481
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Speaker 4: that comes up along their investigations.

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Speaker 2: Joining us from New Hampshire, Jamee Browski, the lone survivor,

483
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Speaker 2: the only one that we know survive the Connecticut River

484
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Speaker 2: Valley serial killer. I don't blame them Ellie for not

485
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Speaker 2: knowing what's going on, for instance, and Bundy, how would

486
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Speaker 2: somebody that's uh And I had a fellow prosecutor that

487
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Speaker 2: was one of the first cops on the scene at

488
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Speaker 2: the cay Omega massacre, and he was a rookie. He

489
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Speaker 2: said he told one day that he said something like,

490
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Speaker 2: stay calm, your friends have been brutally murdered upstairs, and

491
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Speaker 2: of course they all started screaming. He was a rookie

492
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Speaker 2: that was sent to the scene. So you know, why

493
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Speaker 2: would law enforcement answering that call investigating that case? Thing hey,

494
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: I should look at Colorado murders. They shouldn't. It is

495
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Speaker 2: not in the same database. So Bundy went on a

496
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Speaker 2: nationwide spree. And I submit, there are still unsolved murders

497
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Speaker 2: of Bundy's victims. But what I do blame them with,

498
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Speaker 2: along with Jane Barowski, who live to tell the tale,

499
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Speaker 2: is telling people don't look at the man behind the curtain,

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Speaker 2: don't look over here, look over here. There's not a

501
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Speaker 2: serial killer. But they won't say why Jane exactly.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Nancy. It's frustrating.

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Speaker 16: You know, I get that there's different states involved and

504
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Speaker 16: all that, but I mean, come on, let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: This is suspicious.

506
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Speaker 16: And I don't see a reason why they can't elaborate

507
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 16: that that these cases are suspicious. They don't know if

508
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Speaker 16: any of them are connected. There could be a possibility.

509
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 16: They don't know, But I mean, they need to be

510
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 16: more honest with the public. You know, they don't want

511
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 16: to raise red flags and they don't want to raise

512
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Speaker 16: fear and all that. But with them saying nothing that

513
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Speaker 16: raises fear, that's suspicious.

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Speaker 1: What happened in your case, Jane?

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Speaker 16: With me, I had left a fair I lived in

516
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Speaker 16: a very small community in New Hampshire, and I left

517
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Speaker 16: a fair and I was driving home that night. This

518
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 16: was in a very small town that in nineteen eighty

519
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 16: eight virtually had no major crime. And I stopped at

520
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Speaker 16: a closed door to get a soda out of a

521
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Speaker 16: soda machine, and Munster came and parked next to me,

522
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Speaker 16: and he got out and came over to my car

523
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Speaker 16: and tried to get me out of my car and

524
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Speaker 16: get me to go with him. I fought, I refused

525
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Speaker 16: to go with him, and as I was trying to

526
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Speaker 16: get away from him, he ultimately tackled me down and

527
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Speaker 16: stabbed me twenty seven times.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about drawing this sketch of him, Well, I

529
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: was in ICU.

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Speaker 16: This was drawn approximately two or three days after my attack.

531
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Speaker 16: I was in ICU. I was on an incubator. I

532
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 16: had two collapse lungs. He sliced my juggler, he sliced

533
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 16: my tenin in my thumb, sliced the ten in in

534
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 16: my knee. And the detectives came in with this box

535
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Speaker 16: of slides. Different eyes, different faces, face shapes, different mouths,

536
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 16: different noses, different hair, And so they showed me a slide,

537
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Speaker 16: and that whole composite was done by me blinking once

538
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 16: for yes and two for no, and that's how that

539
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 16: composite was created. I wish that they had set me

540
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 16: up with an artist after I got out of the

541
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Speaker 16: hospital so I could have had a more detailed sketch

542
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Speaker 16: of him, but unfortunately they never did that. So that's

543
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Speaker 16: the only composite that we have out there.

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.

545
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Speaker 2: The on identified Connecticut River Valley serial killer is responsible

546
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Speaker 2: for the murders of seven young women, all within the

547
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Speaker 2: Connecticut River Valley region of New England. And he is

548
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: still walking free, still unsolved. And you said your daughter

549
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: is a miracle. Why did you say that.

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Speaker 16: I was seven months pregnant, ear, and you know she survived.

551
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 16: I ended up carrying her for another two months after

552
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Speaker 16: my attack and she survives.

553
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Speaker 1: So she is a miracle.

554
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Speaker 16: I believe that it's because of her that I survived.

555
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 16: Because she wanted to survive and live, it gave me

556
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Speaker 16: the strength to survive.

557
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Speaker 5: Residents of Rock Creek Road in New Haven, Connecticut, are

558
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Speaker 5: spending time cleaning up their gardens as spring arrives. When

559
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Speaker 5: one homeowner makes a grizzly discovery as the homeowner clears

560
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 5: dead overgrowth from their fence line. They discover human remains

561
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Speaker 5: and call nine one one. Investigators say the remains are

562
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 5: in an advanced state of decomposition. Four days later, the

563
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Speaker 5: Chief Medical Examiner says the remains belonged to Denise Leary,

564
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 5: reported missing nearly six months ago. Leary's cause of death

565
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Speaker 5: is undetermined.

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Speaker 1: Social media can speculate. We have to deal in facts.

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Speaker 1: There's no facts of support that this woman was murdered.

568
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: That from our friends at WFSB, and that was Officer

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Speaker 2: Christian Brooke Hart from New Haven PD. Okay, Ryan Fitzgibbons,

570
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Speaker 2: same thing, second verse, same as the first. You've got

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Speaker 2: a dead female in advanced state of decomp it's Denise

572
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: Leary and she's found in dead overgrowth behind a fence line.

573
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: What she just went out there and had a stroke.

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Speaker 1: That's not what happened, absolutely, Nancy.

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Speaker 4: There seems to be a lot of unanswered questions, and

576
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 4: we know that law enforcement is going to protect information

577
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 4: about ongoing cases, but it is particularly frustrating when they

578
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 4: drone on with the same, the same old story that

579
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Speaker 4: there's nothing to be worried about here. You know, this

580
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Speaker 4: case seems like there had to be follow play.

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Speaker 1: So that's denayse Leary. Now there's Michelle Romano. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Michelle Romano was born and raised in Rhode Island with

583
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Speaker 3: three siblings. Graduating from Coventry High School, Michelle goes into

584
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Speaker 3: social work and when her two children, Jaden and Fallon,

585
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Speaker 3: are in high school, she lands her dream job at

586
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Speaker 3: the Trudeau Center in Warwick for individuals with disabilities. Neighbors

587
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: say it's like Michelle Romano just vanished. The friendly loving

588
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: mother walks her dog every night, but in late July

589
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Speaker 3: the walks suddenly stop and no one can get a

590
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Speaker 3: hold of her. Warwick Police also asked the public for

591
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Speaker 3: any information on Michelle, saying she was last seen July

592
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Speaker 3: twenty second in the Oakland Beach area. Michelle is five

593
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Speaker 3: feet tall with black hair.

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Speaker 1: I know something was wrong immediately because she wouldn't like Johnson.

595
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Speaker 1: She wouldn't never ever leave her kids behind.

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Speaker 2: From our friend's WPR, I back to Harmonia Rodrigue as

597
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Speaker 2: joining us Chapus reporter Daily Mail, what about Michelle Romano.

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Speaker 9: Let's right. Michelle was lasting last summer and wasn't found

599
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 9: until early April, also in a wooded area, but as

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Speaker 9: you have been mentioning Nancy. The police have not told

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Speaker 9: us how she died. They have only said that they

602
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 9: are looking into the suspicious circumstances around her death. So

603
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 9: again no information about the manner or cause of death,

604
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 9: just that they're looking into it. But the similarity is,

605
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Speaker 9: of course the way it was found, and Michelle was

606
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Speaker 9: one of the victims that had been missing the longest.

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Speaker 2: Then of course there is another dead body that is

608
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Speaker 2: found in Killingly, Connecticut, and then of course there's a

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Speaker 2: Framingham body.

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Speaker 8: Listen at nine forty five pm, Whalent and Framingham, Massachusetts

611
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Speaker 8: firefighters put out a brush fire near the Massachusetts Turnpike

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Speaker 8: when they stumble on a human skeleton. Police search the

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Speaker 8: area once the blaze is controlled, finding nothing to help

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Speaker 8: identify the remains or what happened.

615
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Speaker 9: To the victim.

616
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 8: It appears the remains had been there for months. A

617
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 8: forensic anthropologist is working to identify the remains.

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Speaker 2: So it seems to me, there Harmonia Rodriguez, that the

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Speaker 2: remains tried to be obscured.

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Speaker 1: We're obscured by a brush fire, right.

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Speaker 9: That's a new aspect of this particular body that was found.

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Speaker 9: That there was also a fire that happened at the

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Speaker 9: same time of the discovery, making the remains really hard

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Speaker 9: to identify. As many as half of these bodies have

625
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 9: not been identified because of how decomposed or destroyed they were.

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Speaker 2: Now just one hour away, correct me if I'm wrong,

627
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Speaker 2: because there's a lot of dead bodies we're juggling here,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of fact scenarios. Harmonia Rodriguez, you've got

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Speaker 2: the body found in a brushfire. I guess cops are

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Speaker 2: going to say what she had a heart attack, fell

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Speaker 2: over and died, and then someone happened to throw a

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Speaker 2: lit match near Okay, but then one hour away in Springfield,

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Speaker 2: mass This.

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Speaker 5: Happens eight am Tuesday morning, Springfield, Massachusetts. First responders rushed

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Speaker 5: to a bike trail along the Connecticut River. A nine

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Speaker 5: to one one caller reported and unconscious woman. When help arrives,

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Speaker 5: the woman is declared deceased. Police have not released Megan

638
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 5: Meredith's cause of death, but it is being investigated as

639
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Speaker 5: a homicide.

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Speaker 2: So you've got Hermionia Rodriguez, You've got one woman, dad.

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Speaker 2: The body is set on fire in Whyland, the Farmingham,

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Speaker 2: mass area, and then an hour away another dead female

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Speaker 2: that being Megan Meredith and police are not releasing a

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Speaker 2: COEOD cause of death, is that right?

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 9: This was the last body or the most recent remains

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Speaker 9: that were found in the area, and police did say

648
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Speaker 9: that it appears to be a homicide. However, they are

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Speaker 9: still once again not giving it doesn't appear because this

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Speaker 9: remains of the victim. It was reported at someone as

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Speaker 9: someone being on responsive, so the suggestion is that these

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Speaker 9: remains were not as decomposed as others, but that's all

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Speaker 9: we know.

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Speaker 2: Again, authorities insisting there's not a serial killer at but

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Speaker 2: a Facebook group now telling nearly seventy thousand members disagree.

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Speaker 13: District Attorney Anthony Gallini tells the public Springfield is safe,

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Speaker 13: despite the seven other sets of remains found in the

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Speaker 13: last two months and another woman's murder in Springfield's Forest

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Speaker 13: Park in January. Speculation about a serial killer in New

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Speaker 13: England is gaining significant traction online. The New England serial

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Speaker 13: Killer Facebook groups sixty seven thousand members and users on

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Speaker 13: other platforms like TikTok and x are pointing to several

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Speaker 13: recent discoveries of human remains in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Rhode

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Speaker 13: Island between March and April, Google shows a huge spike

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Speaker 13: in searches for New England serial killer. While police say

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Speaker 13: the rumors are unfounded, they are having a hard time

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Speaker 13: convincing the public otherwise.

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Speaker 2: To Jane Barowski joining us, the lone survivor of the

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Speaker 2: Connecticut River Valley serial killer, there's not even a tip

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Speaker 2: line set up for the alleged New England serial killer.

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Speaker 2: There's not We tried to find one. There's not one.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that suspicious?

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Speaker 11: Like?

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Speaker 1: Do they want to solve these cases? Exactly? So?

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Speaker 2: The best number we can give if you know or

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Speaker 2: think you know about any of these seven dead bodies,

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Speaker 2: please call spring Fold PD four three seven, eight, seven,

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Speaker 2: six three five five repeat four one three, seven, eight, seven,

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Speaker 2: six y three five y five. Nancy Gray signing off,

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Speaker 2: goodbye friend,