1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Guess what, mango? What's that? Will? All right? So I 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: have something I need to get off my chest. But 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: before I do, let me ask you this. Did you 4 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: grow up around show biz or Chucky Cheese? I think 5 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: we actually had both in Delaware. They were both pretty 6 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: popular for breathdays. Seriously, you had both? Alright, Well, we 7 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: we only had show Biz near us. And there's only 8 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: one thing I actually really remember from going to show biz. 9 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 1: You know, it's like a five or six year old, 10 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: and it was the Rock a Fire Explosion Band. You 11 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: remember these guys? Yeah, of course, Mitzy Mazzarella, Fast Geronimo 12 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: and the Keys. How can you forget? Well, I certainly 13 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: won't ever forget them, nor will I ever forget where 14 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: I used to stand when I watched them perform. You know, 15 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: Showbiz had this huge arcade room, but then you'd walk 16 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: around the corner into this dark room where this weird 17 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: animatronic band was playing. And I don't think I've ever 18 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: been more simultaneously terrified and yet completely mesmerized as I 19 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: was when I watched the Rock a Fire Explosion performing. Yeah, 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: I guess is you weren't alone in that feeling. Well, 21 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: so I'd stand in the doorway, and I'd watch them 22 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: because for some reason I couldn't get enough of these guys. 23 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: And you know, as you mentioned, he had fat s Geronimo, 24 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: the gorilla on the keys. He was always arguing with 25 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: the guy Rolf de Wolf, the you know, the weird 26 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: ventrilocust wolf. You remember this. And then there was Billy 27 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: Bob who fortunately he was the brown bear that would 28 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: usually keep the piece among the band. And then you 29 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: had what was his name? He was beach Bear who 30 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: always seemed high and he was on the guitar. And 31 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: then Duke LaRue, the want to be astronaut, this idiot 32 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: mud who always missed his cue on the drums. Of 33 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: course you mentioned Mitzi Mozzarella, the cheerleader who shared my 34 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: love of Michael Jackson songs. There's one more. Why am 35 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: I forgetting this embarrassing Who was the other one? Yeah? 36 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: But wasn't there like a drunk bird? All right? How 37 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: can they forget looney Bird, the alcoholic bird who hung 38 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: out in that barrel of gasohol? What a crew? I know, 39 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: you look back on it and it's so weird, Like 40 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: when the world were they thinking with that band? I 41 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: don't know, but I loved them, and I was so 42 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: scared of them. And you know, I don't know what 43 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: it is about dark and weird things that draw us in. 44 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: And the thing is, I had no idea there was 45 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: an even darker and weirder story playing out for Showbiz 46 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: at the time. This was near the end of the 47 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: show Biz Versus Chucky Cheese pizza war, which is such 48 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: a strange story, and it's just one of the stories 49 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: that's made us ask the question does pizza bring out 50 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: the worst in people? So that's what we're gonna be 51 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: talking about today. Let's get started. Yeah right, Hey, their 52 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: podcast listeners, welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm Will Pearson 53 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: and it's always I'm joined by my good friend men 54 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: guest Ticketer, and on the other side of that soundproof glasses, 55 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: the man with the most angelic voice you've never heard, 56 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: our brilliant producer, Tristan McNeil. You ready to talk about 57 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: pizza Mango? I am, And I know we've been talking 58 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: about doing a pizza themed episode for a while now, 59 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: and both of us are huge pizza lovers. I mean, 60 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: who's who's not a pizza lover? Which is a good point, 61 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: but it was wild as we started digging into the research, 62 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: we just found so many stories about the dark history 63 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: of pizza, like pizza wars and organized crime, so so 64 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: we decided to focus on those. We'll take a little break, 65 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: at least from the from the Dark Side to talk 66 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: to one of our favorite pizza geniuses. Yeah, that's right. 67 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: We'll be talking to Scott Weener, the founder of Scott's 68 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: Pizza Tours and and he's actually the world record holder 69 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: for the largest collection of pizza boxes. He's super interesting 70 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: and he knows more about pizza history than anyone I know. 71 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: He's definitely a pizza genius. All right, Well, let's dive 72 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: into our topic. And we opened the show by talking 73 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: about show biz and the fact that I had no 74 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: idea that by walking into one of these I was 75 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: unknowingly participating in one of the greatest pizza wars of 76 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: all time and probably would have made it that much 77 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: more exciting. So why don't we start with that one. Yeah, 78 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: that's a good one. I mean, it doesn't get that 79 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: much juicier than a battle between the creator of Pong 80 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: and the inventor of Whack a Mole. Now, it definitely doesn't. 81 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: All right, Well, why don't you give us some of 82 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: the background on how both Chucky Cheese and show Biz 83 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: got started. So, Hockey Cheese was first, and in fact, 84 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: the first one opened in San Jose a couple of 85 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: years before either of us was born. This was way 86 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: back in nineteen seven and and it was actually started 87 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: by Nolan Bushnell, the founder of Atari. He's also the 88 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: creator of Pong. He came up with the idea for 89 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: the restaurant because he was spending so much of his 90 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: time selling Atari consoles like to arcades. He thought there 91 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: might be more money on the other side of the business, 92 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 1: on the arcade end, so he dreamed up this idea 93 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: for what would become Chuck E Cheese Pizza Time Theater. Well, 94 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: and I thought it was interesting. I mean, I think 95 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: both the animatronic performers and the pizza were part of 96 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: this concept from from the very beginning. So why why 97 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: don't you talk about those for just a minute. Yeah, 98 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: they were, and both were kind of brilliant. What's more 99 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: appetizing than an animatronic rat? Right? Well, I'm not sure 100 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: why he chose a rat exactly, but it is interesting 101 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: to hear is thinking on the animatronics. So he knew 102 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: parents probably wouldn't be excited to bring their families to 103 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: a typical arcade, so he was looking for a way 104 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: to bring in some entertainment and make to ask much 105 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: about the environment as it was the arcade games. Bushnell 106 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: did a really interesting interview with The Atlantic a few 107 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: years ago, and in it he says this, the reason 108 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: for doing the animals was not for the kids. It 109 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: was meant to be a head fake for the parents, right. 110 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: And so then he also goes on to talk about 111 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: the pizza, and he explains there aren't too many ways 112 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: to screw it up. If the dough is good, the 113 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: cheese is good, and the sauce is good, the pizza 114 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: is good. I didn't have any preconceived idea that I 115 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 1: knew how to run a restaurant, but I knew simple 116 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: was better. But both seems smart. I mean, it makes sense, 117 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: all right. So what happens next, Well, Bushnell feels he's 118 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: onto something and he wants to expand, so he starts 119 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: looking for investors and enter Bob Brock, who's chairman of 120 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: the Brock Hotel Corporation and a very successful franchise e 121 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: of holiday inns. So the two of them started working 122 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: together on a deal to rapidly expand the business, and 123 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: Bushnell's job was really to figure out how to improve 124 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: the animatronics so these things could be in restaurants all 125 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: over the country if the rollout went well. All right, 126 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: So this is this is around nineteen seventy nine, is 127 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: that right? Yeah, And this is actually where the drama starts. 128 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: It was right after these big discussions that Brock meets 129 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: this young inventor, Aaron Fector, who's also the inventor of 130 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 1: the Whack a Mole, And in weird timing, in Factor 131 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: has been working on this animatronic band he called the 132 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: wolf Pack five, and Brock felt they were much better 133 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: than what Bushnell was doing. All right, So that Brock 134 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: gets nervous about this and he's kind of uncertain, I guess, 135 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: about the quality of the animatronics in in Chucky Cheese exactly, 136 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: so much so that he actually decides to cancel his 137 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: deal with Bushnell, and then he strikes a deal with 138 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: Factor to make pretty much the same concept and in 139 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: the first Showbiz Pizza opened in Kansas City. That's such 140 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: a bold move, that's crazy, and you know, it's weird 141 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: that they just kept the pizza element as well, like 142 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: they didn't seem to try to make it that much different. Yeah, 143 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: but if you think back to the Bushnell quote about 144 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: why pizza earlier, it's a simple food. So it made 145 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: it easier for them to move quickly. And uh, I 146 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: guess that's where a rocket fire explosion was born, right 147 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: from the very beginning there. And you know, at that time, 148 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 1: I had no idea was watching such a knockoff act. 149 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: But if you look at them, they kind of just 150 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: look shady, right they do. And I'm guessing it didn't 151 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: take long for the lawsuits to come after that, right, 152 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: So first Chuck E Cheese suit Showbiz, and then Showbiz 153 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: filed the countersuit and it ultimately settled in with Showbiz 154 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: agreeing to pay Chuck E Cheese a portion of their 155 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: profits for something like fourteen or fifteen years. Well, and 156 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, this is an interesting time to be in 157 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: this business because you know, we talked about this in 158 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: our Weird Summer Travel Guide episode. This was around the 159 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: time that the video game market experienced a pretty big crash, 160 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: so it was obviously not good for either of these 161 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: chains and not at all, and in fact, it hit 162 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: Chuck E Cheese so hard that Bushnell eventually had to 163 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: file for bankruptcy. And you know, after he was forced 164 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: out of the company, Chuck E Cheese was acquired by Chauviz. 165 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: So I guess ultimately Mr whack a Mole won the 166 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: war here. Yes, so it's fair to say he won 167 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: the battle. But in the end they both lost the war. 168 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: And how is that? Well, Chauviz wasn't exactly thriving, and 169 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: in their efforts to improve the company for Foreman's factor 170 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: lost out and he left with the Rock Fire Band, 171 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: and so that was the last we saw them in 172 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: show biz. Then the whole company rebranded as c EC Entertainment. Well, 173 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: and now I see there are more than five hundred 174 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: Chucky Cheese locations around the country. Yeah, it's still a 175 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: big deal, It definitely is. Well that that's such a 176 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: weird but interesting story. All right, Well, let's talk about 177 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: another battle where I found some of the trash talking 178 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: pretty funny. That was the result of McDonald's attempt to 179 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: enter the pizza market, something I didn't really remember. And 180 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: this was back in the late eighties. Yeah, that's a 181 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: good one. So why don't you take this one all right, Well, 182 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: just a little bit of background on this one. And 183 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: by the way, there's a great mental flaw story on 184 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: this from Jake Rosen, one of our favorite writers there. 185 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: So let's go back to the early nineteen eighties. McDonald's 186 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: is an absolute giant, and as Jake pointed out, they 187 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: owned nearly forty of what was then a forty eight 188 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: billion dollar burger market, so incredible. Well, and they were 189 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: looking for ways to keep growing from there, and because 190 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: they were looking to break into the dinner game and 191 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: a much big your way, and the idea of taking 192 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: over a meal time was not foreign to them. And 193 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: they've done this in the early seventies when they introduced 194 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: the egg McMuffin. And you know, despite being mocked by critics, 195 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: that McMuffin was a huge success. Well, their customers would 196 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: have disagreed. Their customers were really digging them. Well, I mean, 197 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: I guess so you're saying they had their eyes on 198 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: dinner though, Yeah, you know, they'd conquered lunch and breakfast, 199 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: and next was figuring out how to get people into 200 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: their locations at night, because for one reason or another, 201 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: people saw burgers and their other offerings as more of 202 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: a lunch thing, and that's when they started looking at 203 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: this rapidly growing pizza market, and so you look at 204 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: the late nineteen eighties, they decided it was time to 205 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: make a move. Well, it is important to note that, 206 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: unlike the McMuffin introduction, that this was not going to 207 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: be an easy transition when it came to the layout 208 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: of their stores and their kitchens specifically, and this was 209 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: honestly something I had not really thought about. So first 210 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: they had to develop this super quick cook oven and 211 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't exactly small, and so you know, in order 212 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: to include the oven and other equipment related to it, 213 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: they had to remodel their restaurants. And that wasn't actually 214 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: the only space problem against something I had not really 215 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: thought much about until doing their research here, it was 216 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: the windows and their drive through. So think about trying 217 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: to fit a full pizza through one of those tiny windows. 218 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: So in order to serve the pizza, they'd have to 219 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: go back and expand all of them. But but this 220 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: didn't stop them from trying, oh not at all, not 221 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: at all. I mean, it might have slowed down the 222 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: rate at which they tried to do some of their 223 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: early testing, but in they began testing in a couple 224 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: dozen locations in Indiana and Kentucky, and uh, this is 225 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: where the trash talking started, because I really want to 226 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: get to the trash. All right, we'll get to the 227 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: trash talking. So enter Pizza Hut. So you know, they 228 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: had to be at least a little bit nervous. I mean, 229 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: they were the giant in the pizza business, but nobody 230 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: was bigger than McDonald's, so this was definitely a threat 231 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: and they had to be ready with some good trash talking. Well, 232 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: if you look back at one of the regional ads, 233 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: they warned Powle, don't make a mixtak to get there, 234 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: really warning people about that. And then they started talking 235 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: about their competitions. Mick frozen dough. That's that's such a 236 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: low blow. I kind of like, how whenever you want 237 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: to make fun of McDonald's, the go to is just 238 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: to add Mick in front of anything exactly. That's why 239 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: it's so ridiculous. I mean I I actually, for some 240 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: reason started thinking about a brainstorming session at the Pizza 241 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: Hut headquarters where they were just like, al right, what 242 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: should we put Mick in front of to show those 243 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: guys who's boss would be like the one genius. He 244 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: just rattles off like, hey, don't make a mistake by 245 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: eating a mc frozen pizza because it's the mic worst. 246 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: And they were all like, that's brilliant. You don't mess 247 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: with the hot that's why they hand the big box. 248 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: You can tell. I thought about this a little little 249 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: too much. So so was it the trash talking that 250 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: ultimately can the pizza for them? Well, I doubt that 251 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: had that much to do with it, despite how brilliant 252 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: those mick lines were. But but I mean, it's not 253 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: like McDonald's isn't used to some portion of the population 254 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: mocking their food. And ultimately there were bigger factors beyond 255 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: the restructuring of the restaurants that I mentioned earlier. So 256 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: I think about prep time. I mean, this was a 257 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: big factor. Imagine pulling up to a window and ordering 258 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: a couple of burgers for one person and pizza for another. 259 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: So they've got the quick burger thing down to a science. 260 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: I mean, those suckers are ready in a minute, and 261 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: they're waiting for you at the window right as you 262 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: pull up. But a pizza, even if it's quick, even 263 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: if it only takes five minutes. I mean that feels 264 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: like an eternity for people who are used to an 265 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: almost instant drive through service. You know. Plus the rest 266 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: of their order is just sitting there getting cold as 267 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: they're waiting on the pizza. Yeah, you can see why 268 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: that would be a problem. Well, and the other issue 269 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: was price. I mean it's it's not like pizzas are 270 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: expensive and the broader food market, but when customers are 271 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: used to spending a buck or two Parode and m 272 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: McDonald's and eight item feels expensive. The psychology of this, 273 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: you know, the pricing of things. It's weird, but it's interesting. Yeah, 274 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: So how did all play out? Well, by the early 275 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, pizzas were being served in I think about 276 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: a third of their locations, but it just wasn't working, 277 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: and so they disappeared as quickly as they came. I 278 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: mean you might say they were Mick history. I've been 279 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: practicing working on. Yeah, I think I need a little 280 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: break after that joke. So why don't we get our 281 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: pizza genius on the line. All right, Well, Mago, I 282 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: know we've been talking about pizza wars, and later on 283 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: in the episode, it's gonna get even a little bit darker. 284 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: So I thought we should take a break and talk 285 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: about some of the fun pizza stuff. We're both huge 286 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: pizza fans, and there's obviously plenty of reasons to celebrate pizza. 287 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: In fact, I think we'll do another episode in the 288 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: not too distant future about all the fun facts about pizza. 289 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: But today we've got Scott Wiener on the program. Scott's 290 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: an insane pizza connoisseur. He's the owner of Scott's Pizza Tours. 291 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: He also consults on pizza part allers, writes a column 292 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: for Pizza Today magazine, Sounds Qualified all the pizza. He 293 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: judges international pizza competition and holds the Guinness Book record 294 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: for the largest collection of pizza boxes. So, Scott, welcome 295 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: to Part Time Genius. Thanks so much for having me. Hey, 296 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: so so, one of the first things I heard about 297 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: you is that you loved pizza so much you decided 298 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: to turn that into a career. How do you go 299 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: about making pizza your career? And were people skeptical when 300 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: you told them that's what you were doing. You know, 301 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: I had no idea what it was going to be 302 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: like in the beginning. I just thought Hey, wouldn't be 303 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: great if I could eat pizza for a living. You know, 304 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what is it, but I you know, 305 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: I was like, well, I can't do a book. Nobody 306 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: knows who the heck I am, and I don't know much, 307 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: and I can't write a blog because actually at the time, 308 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: I had no internet where I lived. And I figured, well, 309 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: what if we did something live action? And there's nothing 310 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: better than live action doing a tour. So I figured, Oh, 311 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: take people around the cool pizzaree is, show them the ovens, 312 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: show them the kitch, and we'll eat pizza. I'll explain 313 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: what's going on in the kitchen and it'll be like 314 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: a live action food TV show. And that was that. 315 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome. I remember you telling us you kind 316 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: of have a strict count of how many pizza slices 317 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: you allow yourself every week because you're such a pizza fanatic. 318 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: So what do you limit yourself to? So my limit 319 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: is fifteen slices per week. It begins Monday morning Slobo 320 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: one am, and uh and Sunday night. And you know what, 321 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: it's really hard to keep to that low of a 322 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: limit because I'm exposed to somewhere between four and ten. 323 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: Pizza three is every day, and so you have to 324 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: say to eight, pizza three is a day. No, I 325 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: can't eat the slice right now. It's really tough. That's 326 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: pretty incredible, and you never get sick of it. I 327 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: haven't gotten sick of it yet. But I'm always nervous 328 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: about it. And that's why I have this limit. It's 329 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: just so I don't lose that edge. I want to 330 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: stay interested in pizza. And I'm worried that what if 331 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: I go overboard one week and you know when you're 332 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: a kid and you ate too many jelly beans and 333 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: then he's like candy jelly beans anymore. I don't want 334 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: to live that life. That's pretty great. So I just 335 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: moved to Atlanta, and it's not like New York where 336 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: you can get slices on every block, and so I 337 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: was wondering, how do you plan the perfect pizza crawl 338 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: in the city you don't know. So if I'm planning 339 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: a pizza crawl in the city I haven't been to before, 340 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: I always start by putting up a post on Twitter 341 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: on Facebook, Hey, anybody have ideas for pizzeria's And then 342 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: I sort of I called together a lift based on 343 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: the most suggestions. I get a cross reference that with 344 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: recommendations people have given me on my pizza tours, which 345 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: of course I keep a long spreadsheet about that, and 346 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of narrow it down to what 347 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: days is a week, or these pizzeria's open, what times 348 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: are they open, and I kind of carve out a 349 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: little route that makes sense. And I mean, I just 350 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: got back from a trip to Detroit last week where 351 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: all I did for three days was hit the pizza scene. 352 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: And I mean I hit a ton of pizza a 353 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: short amount of time, and I couldn't have on it 354 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: without intensive preparations. And Detroit it's like a hot scene 355 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: for pizza, right, Not right. Only in the past two 356 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: years has it really become obvious to everyone outside of 357 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: Detroit that they've got their own pizza thing going. You know, 358 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: if you asked anybody ten years ago, where do you 359 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: get pizza in America, they say, well, it's New York 360 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: and it's Chicago. And the people who knew a little 361 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: bit better would say, oh, and knew he's in Connecticut. 362 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: But now we're starting to see that all these little 363 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: regional variations are at least as significant, and I gotta say, 364 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: having just eaten them myself, Detroit definitely has it going on. 365 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: I know you've been a judge at the World Pizza Cup, 366 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: which I have to be honest, isn't something I was 367 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: that familiar with. So can you tell our listeners a 368 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: little about the World Cup and also how do you taste, 369 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: test or judge a pizza? Wow, there are serious pizza competitions. 370 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: I mean there's that Pizza World Cup is in Parma, Italy, 371 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: and then there's one called the International Pizza Challenge, which 372 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: is part of the International Pizza Expo in Law's Days 373 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: every year. And judging is tough because, as you can 374 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: probably imagine, the more slices you eat, the more they 375 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: start to taste the same. So you really have to 376 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: you really have to stay sharp. Like I always bring 377 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: some palate cleansers, like an apple, I bring some lemon rind. 378 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: I always try to have some bubbly water on hand, uh, 379 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: coffee beans to to you know, clear my nasal passages. 380 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: You know, just to give a whiff and kind of 381 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: reset by all factory senses, and you know, you stay 382 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: at that and you can have you can sample twenty 383 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: or thirty slices of one day and still be able 384 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: to tell the difference. You know, when you're when you're 385 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: given a slice of pizza, you have to be given 386 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: the whole slice, so you can choose your own adventure 387 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: with how you bite. And I do. I always do 388 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: a bite of the tip and the bite of the lift, 389 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: so I'm getting a bite at the center of the 390 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: pie and I'm also getting some of the edge crust. 391 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: And after those two bites, you know, if I need 392 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: to go back for more information and more more reconnaissance, 393 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: I can choose my own and bite for where I 394 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: go next. But bight of the tip and a bite 395 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: of the lip, it's a bad way to start that. 396 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start using that phrase a lot. Say, well, 397 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: let's talk about this pizza box collection you have. As 398 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: we mentioned, you're the world record holders. So what's your 399 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: obsession with pizza boxes and and what are some of 400 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: the smartest design ones you have in your collection? Well, 401 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: when I started doing these tours in two thousand and eight, 402 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: I was so interested in learning as much as I 403 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: could about every angle of the pizza world, because it's subjectives. 404 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: You like a different pizza than I like and neither 405 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: of us are wrong or right, you know. So I figured, well, 406 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: let me let me dive into some of these things 407 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: that that are that are more objective. Let's let's look 408 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: at pizza box part. And I was fascinated by the 409 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: fact that we have different generic box designs in different 410 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: parts of the country, in different parts of the world, 411 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: draw their most mustachioed man a little differently than the other. 412 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: So I just thought that that was it was really striking. 413 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: And then I started getting more into the technology behind 414 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: the box, and I found, you know, there's a great 415 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: box in Italy that's lined with this reflective polyester fabric 416 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: so that it keeps the pizza hotter on the inside 417 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: of the box. It prevents the grease from soaking into 418 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: the box itself, which would render it unrecyclable in some municipalities. 419 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: So it's a cool box. And then there's one in 420 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: India that is unbelievable. It's a breathable box. It has 421 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: indirect ventilation that uses the fluting of a corrugated cardboard 422 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: box set up to the advantage of getting rid of 423 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: steam while maintaining heat and the inside of the box 424 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: so cool, all right, Well before we play a little quiz. 425 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: I want to make sure our listeners know about Slice 426 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: out Hunger. Can you tell us a little bit about this? Yeah, 427 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: Slice Out Hunger is a nonprofit that I started right 428 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: when I started the Pizza to our company, where we 429 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: do fundraising for hunger relief organization all around the country 430 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: and we do it through the pizza community. So we 431 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: have an annual event that happens in New York where 432 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: we have sixty pizzerias in one location, all serving slices 433 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: for a buck a pop, and all the money that 434 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: we raise gets matched by corporate sponsors and then donated 435 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: to local hunger relief organizations. And we also have these 436 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: nationwide campaigns where your local pizzeria might have a little 437 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: sign and then we know that that Slice out Hunger 438 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: this month with our you know whatever it is, our 439 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: specialty pizza of the months. Or We're working on a 440 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: project coming up for National Pizza Day on February nine, 441 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: which will have a simultaneous delivery of pizza in every 442 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: state in the United States to a local hunger relief organization, charity, 443 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: after school program, senior center, food bank, food pantry. It's 444 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: going to be crazy. Wow. Well, thank you for doing 445 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,479 Speaker 1: all of that incredible work. And as our way of 446 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: saying thanks, we thought we would give you a really 447 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: horrible quiz you mine. So what alright? So what's our 448 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: quiz called? Today? Mango, We're gonna play a game called 449 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: Our Cheesiest Quiz Ever. Okay, so we're gonna give Scott 450 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: four cheesy statements and he's going to tell us whether 451 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: they're true or faults. You ready, Scott? I yes, I'm ready. 452 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: I got no joy? All right? Well, question number one. 453 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: When Pizza Hut introduced the Insider Pizza and two thousand, 454 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: it became the world's largest user of cheese. Each pie 455 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: required about one pound of cheese. Truer Faults. Yeah, that's right. 456 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: At the time, Pizza Hut was using more than three 457 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: million pounds of cheese each year and purchasing three of 458 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: all the cheese produced in the US. All right, one 459 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: for one. Number two, moose cheese cost about four hundred 460 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: and twenty dollars per pound because milking a moose takes 461 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: two hours and must be done in complete silence. Truer Faults. 462 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: I love this, but I'm gonna say it's Oh, it's 463 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: actually a true moose Yeah, they're notoriously moody and they'll 464 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: go dry if they're even slightly deserved. So I didn't 465 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: think that was true either when I saw this quiz 466 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: when Mango brought it in this morning, So that one 467 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: stumped me as well. All right, Question number three Frankie 468 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: Easy Cheese Jenkins was a New York City graffiti artist 469 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies before he patented and sold his 470 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: idea for putting cheese in an aerosol can. True or false. 471 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: This is a tough one. I feel like I really 472 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: wanted to be true and it could be, but I'm 473 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: gonna say it. I'm gonna say it's too good to 474 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: be true. It's false. Yeah, you're right. So. Originally known 475 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: as snack Me, the product was invented in nineteen and 476 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: a Nibisco lab. Alright, so Scott's two for three. This 477 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: is for the big prize here. Number four Wisconsin. I 478 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: started using provolone and mozzarella to d ice Rhodes as 479 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: a way to keep cost of rock salt down. True 480 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: or faults? WHOA? This is another one that feels like 481 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: it's too good to be true. But all right, I'm 482 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: gonna go with my heart on this one, and I'm 483 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: gonna give you the answer that I wanted to be, 484 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: even though it might not be correct, I'm gonna say 485 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: that that is true. Yeah, absolutely right. So the cheese 486 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: Brian is a cheaper and greener way to keep traffic 487 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: safe and it comes with the added perk of making 488 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: towns smell faintly like mozzarella. Alright, so, what's good one today? Yes, 489 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: so Scott went impressive three or four, And in addition 490 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: to our total admiration, Scott's going to get a copy 491 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: of The Jetsons the Great Pizza Hunt Book, which is 492 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: the only book about the Jetsons and pizza with a 493 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: five star rating on good Reads. All right, well, Scott, 494 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us on Part Time Genius. 495 00:24:46,560 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Gay, Welcome back to Part Time Genius. 496 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: Before the break, we talked about a couple of the 497 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: pizza wars from the past few decades, first one with 498 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: Chucky Cheese and show Biz and then the trash talking 499 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: one between McDonald's and Pizza Hud. But now it's time 500 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: to tackle a much more serious topic. We don't get 501 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: all that serious very often here at Part Time Genius, 502 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: but this is a fascinating case. Yeah, I know, we 503 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about the Pizza Connection trial, right right, 504 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: So let me just share a few of the basics 505 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: and the numbers involved here. So this was March of 506 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: nine seven, and there were seventeen people found guilty of 507 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: building a massive international drug ring. It was all orchestrated 508 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: by the mafia, and it was managed through this network 509 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: of neighborhood pizzeria's all over the country. So it started 510 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: with thirty five defendants, nineteen of them ended up standing trial, 511 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: and the street value of the heroine they moved was 512 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: worth an estimated one point six five billion dollars, which 513 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: which is no small operation. No, it definitely wasn't. And 514 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: it gets more complex from there. This network was insane. 515 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: So there were two primary organized crime groups behind this. 516 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: You have the Sicilian Mafia and then you have the 517 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: Banano crime family in New York. And the arrest were 518 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: not just made in New York and Italy, but in Switzerland, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit. 519 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: I mean, It's crazy how wide this was. Yeah, and 520 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: so I'm guessing in a case this complex isn't fast 521 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,239 Speaker 1: to prosecute and investigate, right, No, not at I mean 522 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: there was a series of raids of pizzerias and homes 523 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: all over the country. This was one morning in nineteen 524 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: eighty four, and this happened after four years of an 525 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: FBI investigation. Then you have this seventeen months trial. Seventeen months, 526 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of the longest trials in American history, 527 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: and it was at the end of that that these 528 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: seventeen people were found guilty. I was on grand jury 529 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: for seven months months. I remember that forever. Seventeen months 530 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: just feels impossible. Yeah, I can't imagine it. But in 531 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: this case, it's not just because it took forever. I mean, 532 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: you know, think about the jurors. They were scared for 533 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: their lives. It actually ended up being an eleven member 534 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: jury because one of the yours was excused after getting 535 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: these threatening phone calls. Even the judge admitted to being 536 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: worried for his safety. Yeah, and of course they were 537 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: the only ones who had to fear for their lives. 538 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: I remember reading that one of the suspects was found 539 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: dead in the garbage bag before the trial ended, and 540 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: another defendant was shot a few times and ended up 541 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: pleading guilty from his hospital bed. Yeah, and they're two 542 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: really interesting articles in Vice, or rather there was one 543 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: on the Vice website and it was called how Mafia 544 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: pizzeria drug fronts inspired one of the most complex criminal 545 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: trials ever exactly by guy named John Currico, and another 546 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: on their Munchie site called The Dark Side of Pie 547 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: by Nick Rose, and I would recommend reading both of them. 548 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: They were both very interesting. So it's just so wild 549 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: that it was called the pizza connection and that it 550 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: was largely managed through a huge network of pizzeria. So 551 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: I want to tell our listeners why, well, you know. 552 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: In the article I mentioned by Nick Rose, he interviews 553 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: a few experts on this connection between organized crime and 554 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: and pizza. And one of the experts he spoke to 555 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: was a guy named Antonio Nick he so, and he's 556 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: written several books on organized crime. And when he was 557 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: asked why pizzeria's here's what he said. You can do 558 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: this with any kind of restaurant, but at the time, 559 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: it was just easier to buy a pizzeria and it 560 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: was a great opportunity to make money and sell heroin 561 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: out of the back door. He then goes on to 562 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: say a pizzeria can be a good way to launder 563 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: money at the end of the day, you can produce 564 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: fake receipts because it's mostly a cash business. If you 565 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: have two hundred clients in a given day, a bookkeeper 566 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: can punch the receipts so that it says five customers. 567 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: And the money that you don't make from selling pizza 568 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: you can put in the cash by selling heroin or 569 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: drugs and and pay taxes, which is so crazy. And 570 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: I guess another advantage of pizza places is their whole 571 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: delivery network, right, yeah, that's exactly right. And so they've 572 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: got this distribution system that's already in place. You've got 573 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: people out delivering pizzas all over the country, you know, 574 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: so why not have them deliver heroin? I mean, I 575 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: know why they shouldn't deliver heroin, So don't answer that. 576 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: But that was their line of thinking. So eventually this 577 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: pizza connection spanned all over the country. It even went 578 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: up into Canada over time, and they built what was 579 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: essentially a monopoly on heroin there. And as a side note, 580 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: I noticed that the U. S. Attorney who was prosecuting 581 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: the case is a name we'd eventually all know. That's right. 582 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: It was none other than future New York City mayor 583 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: and presidential candidate Rudolph Juliani, and he was known for 584 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: being a tough prosecutor. Yeah, that's right. So this trial happens, 585 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: and does it slow down the trafficking of heroin and 586 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: the connection with Pizza, Well not really. I mean, just 587 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: seven years later, famous original raised Pizza in the heart 588 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: of Manhattan was busted for being this big organizing spot 589 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: for another major drug ring. And these bus take an 590 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: enormous amount of human power and time, and this one specifically, 591 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: it took three years and more than two hundred agents 592 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: involved in this thing. Yeah, it's crazy. And then fast 593 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: forward two thousand eleven, John Porcello, known as Johnny Pizza, 594 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: was arrested and what the FBI reports as the biggest 595 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: mob raid in its history. But I mean, if I 596 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: remember correctly, the actual pizzerias weren't discovered to be a 597 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: part of the racketeering. No, but I mean it's still 598 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the guy was known as Johnny Pizza. There's 599 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: some connection there. But by the way, I know, there's 600 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: not much funny about these cases. But when the l 601 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: A Times reported on this bust, I did enjoy this line. 602 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: It said, um many had nicknames that just read like 603 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: a Hollywood script. Lumpy Johnny, Pizza, the Bull, Baby, Fat Mush, Jello, 604 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: and Meatball among them. At lumpian much. I know, I 605 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: love those as well. It's all really strange. And I'd 606 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: say while the show biz and McDonald's sties are pretty crazy, 607 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: they aren't quite as heavy as all this pizza connection stuff. 608 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: Now agreed, But things are about to get heavier because 609 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: you you know what time it is? Yeah, backed off time? 610 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: All right, I'll go first. So we were talking about 611 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: the pizza wars in the first half of the show. Well, 612 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: the founder of Dominoes, Tom Monahan, he may not have 613 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: been in many all out wars, but he wasn't a 614 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: ready to rough up some of his earliest customers if 615 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: they tried to skip out on paying. As he said 616 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: in his autobiography quote, if someone refused to pay a 617 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: driver for an order, I didn't call the police. I 618 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: just went and demanded the money. Usually the culprits were 619 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of college guys who decided to have a 620 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: party at my expense, and I didn't hesitate to swing 621 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: a punch to persuade them to pay up. That's crazy. 622 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: So here's a quick one. Ever, wonder where tombstone pizza 623 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: got its name. It's because it was first made in 624 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: a bar that was across the street from the cemetery. 625 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: You know, I actually have wondered that, but I never 626 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: looked at up. So that's that's interesting to know. All right, Well, 627 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm not done. Quoting Domino's founder Tom on Ahan, he 628 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: also said, from time to time, we'd have a rash 629 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: of pizza thefts from parked vehicles while drivers were busy 630 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: with customers. I'd hide in the back of the car, 631 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: and the next time it went to that neighborhood, I'd 632 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: wait for them to try it again. I'd carry a 633 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: meat tenderizing mallet or a pop bottle as a persuader. 634 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: And that approach, Yeah, always solved the problem. It's just 635 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: the problems as simple as that. Okay. So on a 636 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: slightly lesson say note, in the nineteen eighties, Chuck E 637 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: Cheese decided to expand Australia, but instead decided to be 638 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: called Charlie Cheese is pizza Playhouse. And that's because the 639 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: word chuck is even more strongly associated with throwing up 640 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: there than it is here. Wow. Okay, you know, actually 641 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: I think I might try to get that term Charlie 642 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: cheese to catch on for throwing somebody Charlie cheese everywhere. Okay, 643 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: all right, So did you know back in the nineteen 644 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: sixties there was a U. S. Army intelligence unit that 645 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: would use fake pizza deliveries to spy on people, namely 646 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: reporters and politicians. That's weird. So I want to know 647 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: who holds the Guinness World Record for the most expensive 648 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: pizza commercially available. It's in my old home of New 649 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: York City at Industry Kitchen. The pizza, which takes two 650 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: days to make, includes black squid incto, stilton cheese from 651 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: the UK, French truffles. Two types of caviare FOA graw 652 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: and of course a twenty four carrot gold leaf. Those 653 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: for two thousand dollars. All right, that's ridiculous. Of all 654 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: the things we've talked about today, that is the most 655 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: offensive by far. So that shouldn't be classified as a 656 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: pizza at that price actually make You've got me so 657 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: riled up, I'm going to have to give you the 658 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: fact Doc trophy. 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