WEBVTT - Patriots Unfiltered 8/4: Latest from Patriots Training Camp, Positional Depth, Remaining Questions 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.480 Some of the content of Patriots Unfiltered may not be 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:07.040 suitable for all audiences. 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:17.840 Listener discretion is advised the World's of viageon podcasts. Welcome 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:24.480 to Patriots Unfiltered, presented by Toyota dot Com. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:31.520 All right, no open, huh Matt, all right, okay, all right? Uh, 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:37.520 it is Tuesday here Jillette Stadium, A beautiful day in Foxborough, gorgeous. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:39.320 Wait, we just got. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.920 Back for practice. It's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Duce, 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.440 it's Matt Nabooth. And it's been a while since we've 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:46.000 had a show. 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:46.960 It's been a minute. 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:48.960 Yeah, So we have a lot to catch up on 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.680 the offense, the defense, all that stuff. But I want 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:57.520 to I want to start with Gabe Achis. That's who 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.160 I want to catch up on, because, oh my god, 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.160 I think he's he should take over your Derek Henry 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:04.960 Band Club. 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:09.800 Because this guy is looks the part, he looks the 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:10.720 part he does. 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:12.720 And you know, I saw a little bit of him 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.760 yesterday in the one on ones and he's fast, fast 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:16.520 around the edge. 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:17.000 Power. 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.319 Yeah, it's just built, powerfully built too. We got to 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.160 hear from him for the first time today. A lot 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:22.919 of questions about the contract all that stuff. 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:23.880 Nie said. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.800 It's behind him, not surprisingly, but good to hear him. 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.039 Feel like you're fully getting up to speed with gay 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.440 Bacchus and starting to you know, get more reps the 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.000 last two days. So I'm hopeful that maybe by the 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:35.440 time we get to see the Colts in a week 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.040 from today, that you know, you see him kind of 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.240 full go because you know, to be honest, I'm kind 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.280 of meh on the edge position, like you know, I 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.160 just I was kind of concerned about it coming into camp, 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.160 and I haven't really moved off of concerns. So you know, 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:49.720 I'd love to see I mean, I'm not concerned about 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:50.760 a lot of stuff on this team, and I want 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:52.760 to start this whole thing off with concern. But if 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:54.920 there's one area of the team right now that I 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.520 feel like they need a little more out of or 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.040 a little juice stange position, so maybe he can bring 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.200 it that, you know, stick would be yep. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.760 So he was yesterday his first practice in team. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:08.120 Yeah, he practiced on Saturday and limited basis and then 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.600 yesterday got some team reps in. He's made some plays 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.440 against the run, beat some blocks that we've seen went 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:19.280 around with Marcus Bryan with quickness yesterday, shed Kale Blomoo today. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.280 So I've seen him pop in the run game a 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.600 little bit, you know, pass rush. I think is gonna 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.440 take time. He got to learn intricacies, use your hands, 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.760 things like that. But he looks the part. He looks strong, 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.040 looks like he's in great shape. It doesn't look like 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.680 he was sitting on the couch, you know, eating candy 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.000 while he was waiting to sign the contract. So that's 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.639 a good sign. Hopefully we just see more and more 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:41.000 of them. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.960 Yeah, who would you physic, you know, physique wise, compare 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:49.480 him to because he's not as big as mcguinnis was. 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:54.240 No, you know, no, I don't know. 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.520 I mean him and Draymond Jones are pretty similar sizes. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.000 I mean, I know Draymond Jones hasn't played for the Patriots. Yeah, 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:04.440 but I don't know if I have a great cop yet. 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.160 In terms of just pure size, it's. 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:07.680 Not really long. 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:09.480 He's not a long guy like some of the edge 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.320 guys where you know, like I think a Trey Flowers 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.600 who had like just really long arms, and you know, 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:15.079 he doesn't really seem like that. 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:16.919 But he's just he's very well put together. 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.920 I think his lower half is, you know, great legs, 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:21.200 powerful kind of a guy. 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.080 So he's built a little bit like Judon, but I 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:25.360 don't think he plays like Judon. 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.480 I think there are different types of players, but the 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.840 body types I could see being a little bit similar. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:31.600 But we'll see. 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.920 I mean, I the good news to me is that 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.360 he I think he's out there in plenty of time 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.720 to get him ready for the season. Oh yeah, Like 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.400 we're not getting into a point where he's coming in, 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.800 you know, second third week of August and you're really 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.040 concerned that he's going to be way too far behind. 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:50.720 I think the thoughts as long as he stays healthy 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.320 of like red shirt ears and things like that, I 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.440 think he's going to be able to contribute as long 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:56.080 as he's healthy. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.800 Yeah, that's my big takeaway is that he should have 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:00.960 plenty of ramp up, you know, you know for the 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.720 regular season. And yeah, I mean, it was not an 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.840 ideal way to spend your your onboarding as a rookie, 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.040 but I think he's the fact that he's been out 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.520 there in team the last two days really really positive 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:14.160 sign yep. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.480 Yeah, So that's that's my opening take what about you guys. 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:19.800 Yeah, I feel like this is the dog days of CAM. 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:21.560 I mean it kind of has become a cliche at 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.839 this point. But five padded practices in six days, and 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:26.640 you could, you know see it. I think they were 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.000 they're getting used to each other. I mean they've run 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.039 this little bootleg play ten times again, you know, I 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.159 feel like and today the defense. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:34.800 You know, snuffed it out. 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.440 So I think that's getting to the point where we're 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.039 ready to play against some other teams. Yeah, you know, 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:41.600 they'll have a couple of days of clean up. They'll 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.240 probably have you know, something on Friday, and then two 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.320 days off and then they'll get into it next Monday, Tuesday. 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.520 I mean, progression wise, you know, from where the offense 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:50.400 started to where it. 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:51.719 Is now, I think it's night and day. 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.560 I mean, it just looks the operation just looks a 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.279 lot better than it did those opening couple of days. 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.640 Yeah, I see the progress, you know, the progression that 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:01.760 they're you know, installing things where it's you know. 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.799 Red zone high, red zone low. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.880 Middle of the field, short yardage run. Yesterday today they 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.039 started putting in some two minutes, so you know, you 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.440 see how they're constructing everything, putting it all together to 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.560 get them ready to play a game in what like 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:14.159 nine days. 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.719 Yeah, I don't know how much more you can really 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:21.159 glean from Patriots versus Patriots practices at this point. I 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.800 think you need to see it against another opponent because 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.560 I think one guy that's looked fantastic is Will Campbell. 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.599 But Deuce highlighted the edge of the spot that he's 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.360 concerned about. So how much does Will Campbell look great? 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.200 Because the Patriots depth at edge just isn't very good. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.680 So once we get to the Colts and the Eagles, 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.520 you know, hopefully we'll see him against better competition in 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.200 some respects and see more. But I think that he's 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.360 looked really strong. And Draymond Jones was talking about him, 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.760 he played him when he was with the Titans. Draymond 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.080 Jones played him last year and he said he's much 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.800 better than he was when we played him last year, 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.800 and talking about him being stronger and better with his 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:58.840 technique and all those different types of things. 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.600 So he's looked really, really good. 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.640 Now is that say more about the edge position than 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.960 it does about Will Campbell? I guess we'll we'll find 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.839 out once you get into the other competition. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:13.360 Now, my big takeaway is just that I'm really encouraged 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.960 by how much both sides are enjoying different periods of 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.200 the practice. And we've had a lot of training camps 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.919 over the last say five six years, where one side 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.320 or the other really controls things, and I don't think 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:28.800 that's been the case this year. I think there have 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.680 been times. Even today it starts off, I thought there 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.240 were a lot of incomplete passes. I thought, in particular, 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.840 when Drake May and the starters were out there, they 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:39.800 were sort of under fire. They were sending a lot 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:41.800 of blitzes at them. Yeah, so there were a lot 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.279 of checkdowns and not a lot of production. And then 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:47.440 you know, as the practice progresses and you get to 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:49.720 you know, two minute at the end, I thought they 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.280 had a little bit more success. So the defense has 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.080 some stuff that they feel good about and some stuff 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.479 they need to work on. The offense has the same thing. 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:58.960 I think that's what you're looking for right in camp, 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.680 and that this I feel like this is I'm probably 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.560 missing years over the you know, the last but I 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.600 feel like this has been about as even as it's 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:11.120 been with both sides enjoying positive days. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:12.320 Then that I can remember. 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:13.640 Showed up to me. In the run game. I feel 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.400 like there's you know, a couple of runs that they're 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.000 in nothing there, and then there's all of a sudden 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.360 increase some space and you know, you see and you know, 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.000 just Turle Jennings kind of popped back yesterday and I 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.000 just think he's right in the mix, and you know, 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.040 looks like he's got some speed and he looks like he's. 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.000 Read twenty twenty fourth pretty even there, both bad. 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.440 How about you're probably right the pillow fight. 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:33.320 Yeah, yeah, I think. 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.400 The overall competitiveness of practice has really stood. 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:36.640 Out and good. 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.840 Yeah, they've been in pads a bunch, which I think 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.080 is a departure from last year. I thought last year 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.480 they kind of eased in and weren't as heavy on 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.760 the padded practices. This is what pad's added four to 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.760 the five days or five out of six or something 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.840 like that, and then they'll be in pads again at 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.000 the end of the week. So uh, there there's a 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.440 lot of hitting, a lot of padded practices, a lot 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.720 of one on ones, a lot of you know, half 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:02.080 line drills things like that, and that I didn't think 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.200 it was quite as competitive as last year for Rabel's 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.880 first camp as this one has been. And I you know, Paul, 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.800 you mentioned the slow start to last season. You know, 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.200 maybe just the overall intensity to you know, Remedy, the 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.640 super Bowl from last year, whatever the case may be. 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:18.880 It just feels like they are kind of getting after 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.360 it in this camp, almost like the good old days, 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:22.400 you know of training camp. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:23.600 I mean, that's what I was gonna ask you guys. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.440 Do you ever remember like a matchup with AJ Brown 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.240 and Christian Zaluz like this with WR one and a 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.480 CV one. I mean, I know Revis was here, I 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.440 know ty Law was here. Did he ever you know, 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.360 have that actual I mean that matchup to me has 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.120 been so much fun to watch a lot of times, 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.079 Drake's targeting AJ Brown right off the get go. Great 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.760 clip from Drake being micd up talking to AJ Brown 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.080 about how Gonzo was playing him and stuff. So that's 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.040 been one of my favorite things in camp is just 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:50.000 watching two elite talented guys go up against. 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.720 Each other every day and both have accepted the challenge, 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.160 you know, so it's like they're making each other better. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.200 It's like when good players are both really good and 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.520 they go against each other. They make each other better. 0:08:59.520 --> 0:08:59.839 What is this? 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:01.160 What is that called? 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.520 What's that? Iron? Sharp and iron? That sums it up? 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:05.520 I wish I had thought of that. 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:07.160 You should have just let that. 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:13.920 I actually, well, do you remember like in camp matchups like. 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.160 That, like Rerevis Edelman that's probably maybe could you could 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:17.480 you call it? 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.240 Yeah? No, I really can't. 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.800 I really don't think of one like that, because you 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:23.160 know they had. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:24.560 I mean Moss Molly practice. 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.719 Yeah, they didn't really have like the year Revs was here, 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.199 they didn't really have that, you know, right, They used 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:32.880 to do the we used to call the Hall of 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.680 Fame drill, and Revis would work with Gronk and Brady. 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.280 Well they were doing special teams periods. They'd be like, 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:39.800 yeah you can. They were like me, you can do 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:41.400 that on your own time and go over here, and 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.360 like we're gonna be with the Hall of famers over here. 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.760 But it wasn't necessarily covering Gronk. It was just sort 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.880 of working on some yeah, some techniques. 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:53.960 Moss was here, there wasn't really you know, it's not 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:54.360 a Hall. 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:58.319 Of Fame drill anymore, though not yet yet. Drake, Drake's 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.120 got a shot a j Brown, Drake. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.520 I mean go back to Terry Glenn on ty Law 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:04.600 in the late nineties. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:06.720 Terry Glenn would have had to have practiced. 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:10.400 Yeah, I mean they had great players at both positions. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.040 It's never really at the same time. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.400 Yeah, would probably would be the one example though, Mike, 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.960 that's good. Glenn in Law were probably as close to 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:19.920 what you're seeing now. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.240 Mike Haynes, all right, come on, what do you how 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.640 old you think I am? Yeh. But but back then, 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.320 how much of practice? I guess we got to watch 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:30.800 a lot of it. 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.120 Oh yeah, but like I was only half joking, Glenn 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.160 barely practiced, right, That's why you didn't see this as much. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.280 Yeah, the back and forth chess match is cool because 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.800 you know we had him on the micd up saying 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.960 that he can't Gonzo's not going to let him run 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.400 by him, right, And and so then you've seen Drake 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:53.480 May and aj Brown adjust to throwing things more underneath 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.440 him or back shoulders or whatever. 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.200 Uncoverable. Yeah, every time they run a slant it's like. 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.000 It should be should be uncoverable. 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:02.880 Oh yeah, well, I always say the only thing that 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.600 can defend a slant route is a bad throw right. 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:07.400 Well, yeah, depending on the coverage. 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:12.199 Yeah, But like the the chess match there of Gonzales 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.040 playing really off of AJ Brown a lot, it seems 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.440 like it's not a ton of press and uh, them 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.560 just realizing, all right, well, he's given you six seven 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:22.959 yards a cushion. There's no way he's gonna be able 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.440 to run by him. So we're just gonna adjust and 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.120 we're gonna throw a lot of comebacks and slants and 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.920 back shoulder throws and things like that. And AJ Brown 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:33.760 has been able to get open onto some of those. 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.840 So that's been really cool because he hasn't beaten Gonzo 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:38.880 a single time over the top, but a lot of 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:40.720 that I think is just the way that he's been 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:44.000 playing him. So it's been fun to watch just them 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.280 adjust to what Gonzalez is doing to him. 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.120 How are we doing on the offensive line? 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.400 Okay, Okay, I mean I think it's like the whole team. 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.560 It's you know, there are moments where there are good 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.440 plays and good protection and good pockets, and then you know, 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.120 there's one play today I felt like AVT got burned. 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.560 And know it's always when the like does like a reaction, 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.600 you're like, oh I think he's admitting you got beat there. 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.400 But you know, I think there are moments with that. 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.360 I think, you know, Lomu there got to work him, 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:09.640 and I mean he's getting a lot of work. I 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.439 think they got to develop him and get him ready. 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.439 I mean, according to a friend of Paul's and all 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.640 of us, Greg Bodard, he's going in. 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:20.679 The wrong direction. Yeah, I mean, I would say dramatic. 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:22.920 Wrong direction is dramatic. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:27.120 I would say that he's on the rookie roller coaster 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.920 right now, is the way I would describe it with Lomu. 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.760 You know, there's some good reps, there's some bad reps. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.560 I'd say it's it's very similar to to Will Campbell's 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.120 Rookie camp. Honestly, as of right now, a lot of 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.640 the things that I'm seeing with Lomu's inside moves that 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:43.719 are giving him the most trouble. And you know, he's 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.120 trying to set out and get out to the junction 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.040 point on the speed rush and Brayden Swinson or Hugh 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:53.040 Hutchins or whoever Elijah Ponder are, you know coming back up, 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.880 you know, spinning or using that crossover hesitation move. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:58.040 Things like that. 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.360 I think the offensive line as a whole has done 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:04.240 pretty well with standard rushes, you know, and the defense 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.400 is really just sending four guys and you kind of 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.720 know where the four guys are coming from. It's been 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.600 pretty good. When they add on rushers, if they blitz 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.280 or bring a pressure, you know, that's where I start 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:18.160 to see a little bit more disruption up front, stunts, picks, 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.280 things like that. That's still I al would say, a 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.320 big time work in progress, but there's been way too 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:29.439 many free runners at Drake May for my liking. You know, safeties, corners, linebackers, 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.880 whatever the case may be. You know, you can have 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.960 a million different ways to plan for that and combat that. 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.760 But that would be my one criticism right now. The 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.240 offensive line. The run game has been a little bit 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.680 up and down, inconsistent, I would say, but I don't 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.960 really expect it to be dominant. When you have a 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:48.800 good defensive line on the other side, I don't think 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.760 you're going to dominate practice in that regard. But like 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.040 I said, I think the the good news is is 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.960 that when they know which four are coming and they're 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.280 just kind of rushing for I don't see a ton 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.240 of like one on one loss is happening up front 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.040 right now with the starters. You know, low moves, the 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.960 third tackle interior depth I think is a little bit 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:09.719 of a question mark, you know, Ben Brown, I think 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:10.679 it has been a little shaky. 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.520 Does Andrew Rupsych take. 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.319 That, James Hudson a little bit? I think at guard 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.880 at guard, yeah, able mention that today again he did 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:22.920 it yesterday a little bit. I wanted to ask you, 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:28.080 as the resident Doug Maron disciple, what have your thoughts 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.240 been on Jared Wilson in the middle. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.800 I think you will at the pivot, Yeah, I think 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.520 that he's been okay. You know, I think the things 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.120 that stand out to me with him is just how 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.000 quick he is out of his stance. And you know 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.240 when they block zone schemes or they have him get 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.280 up to the second level or get out on a screen, 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.240 you know, you can definitely see that pop him and 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.480 Vera Tucker can get out, Like those guys are going 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.000 to be able to get out in front of runs 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.320 and screenplays. Now, those big guys in the middle, like 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.400 when you get you know, a bigger Corey Dirton type 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.440 of player three twenty three, twenty five. I still think 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.160 that that's gonna be a little bit of a and 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.920 for Wilson, uh in terms of handling that kind of size. 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.480 I think he's been pretty good in one on ones 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.440 in past protection, but you know, is he going to 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.640 be able to really uproot those big dudes? 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:12.880 Like that's going to be power? 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.480 Yeah, power seems to be. You know, I haven't watched 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.800 anywhere near as many reps as you guys have, because 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:20.960 you know, I watched the skill guys, because it's all 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:25.120 I care about. We watch you guys watch that stuff 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.560 that you know doesn't a little bit always matter. But 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.960 I noticed a problem at times with power, you know, 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.560 in their athleticism is through the roof. And I've also 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.520 thought that the snaps have been a little shaky here 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.720 and there, that they've had a couple of exchange issues 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.320 under center and gun shotgun snaps to me tend to 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.520 go wide. I don't know, if you've got now maybe 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.960 that might be something that Drake may want. He likes it, 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.840 maybe on the right side or whatever for whatever reason. 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:58.480 I don't know, but I just anecdotally, maybe you know, 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.640 once or twice every practice, I know, just the quarterbacks 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:02.720 reaching out to get the ball. 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:04.880 It was going to be our kick returner on this team. 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:07.920 I think I hope Kyle Williams to get a crack 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.000 at it, you know, I think he's a you know, 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.080 but they've liked the running back body, so. 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.160 They have tried a lot of guys. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:17.960 Yeah, I don't think we're anywhere close to settled on that. 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:19.960 But whoever the third running back is on the team's 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.520 going to return kickoffs and then the other guy you know, 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.520 will see Chisholm, Kyle Williams like Terrell Jennings. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:25.960 Yeah. 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.280 Yeah, that's why I think Evan's right. Whereas contrast that, 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.600 like literally they had about ten or twelve guys handling 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.800 kicks two days ago. Today they did punts. Three guys. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.200 It's Marcus Jones, Romeo Dobbs, and Tomio Douglas. 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:40.520 The Dobbs one's weird to me. 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:45.920 Yeah, it doesn't strike me as the profile of that, 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.960 not that they were working to I don't know if 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.520 you guys watched that at all today, but Barringer was 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:53.960 like spraying them, and I think he was doing it 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:58.800 on purpose, you know, over to the sideline, Like they 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.400 had some punt return attempts today with these guys were 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.639 running you know, twenty five thirty thirty five yards to 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.240 the side, patching a backward and they would gast you 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.480 could see because it was only three of them. That's 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.280 why it really stood out to me. I could because 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.240 usually everybody's back there, you know, for those and you 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:17.760 get a little time to rest. But it looked like 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.120 all three of those guys were were working to catch 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:21.679 those punts. 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.639 Yeah, tough if you like, you would think that some 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:26.960 of those UDFA receivers would be in the mix for 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.680 punt return but they also want to teach them covering 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.360 punts or or a field goal protection or punt protection. 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.240 Then you can't also be returning them in a practice 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:38.959 like in a game, it's only one thing going on 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.320 at once, but in a practice like you can't have 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.199 everybody returning punts and then also have them work on 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.679 covering punts like it's either one or the other. So 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.040 that group has I feel like, kind of rotated a 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:49.440 little bit. 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.480 The material point. Yeah, all that that group, it does 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:56.240 a lot of catching punts before practice. Yeah, and Chisholm, 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:57.679 you know, did a good job of it in the 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.639 preseason last year, right, Yeah, we had a couple of 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.439 good Yeah, so I'm sure that when they get to 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.440 the second half of a preseason game or two, they'll 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.920 have plenty of options. But I just it stood out 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:11.040 to me it's ten or twelve guys handling kickoffs, and 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.320 now that's a little deceiving because you always have two 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.080 guys back on the kickoff, and then there was only 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.440 three today when they were doing punt return. 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.800 It's like a shift of how they've changed the kickoff 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.560 where you used to always have, like Bethel Johnson, like 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:25.919 you had a guy he's gonna be a kickoff returner. 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.600 It doesn't seem like and maybe the Patriots are unique 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.320 that other teams do have specific kickoff returners, but it 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.200 just kind of feels like somebody's got to win it, 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:36.880 one of the lower running backs or lower wide receivers, 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:38.840 like the job's there to be taken. But it doesn't 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.720 seem like anybody has the inside edge or that the 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.840 coaching staff is like, we want this guy. It's it's 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:46.080 kind of an open competition that I don't ever. 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:47.880 Remember, yeah, for this team for sure. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.000 I mean there's probably a handful of teams that have 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:54.600 guys that are really good at it, you know, you know, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.480 at the tight ends or the guy on the Cowboys. 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:57.920 I'm biking on his name right now. 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.080 I like those types of guys, but uh, you know, 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.800 I think that the guys that maybe would be really 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.080 good at it on this team are too valuable in 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.000 other places that they don't want to risk them. 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.320 Like I agree, I would like to see Henderson be 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.800 that guy. Yeah, I think it, But I think of 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:17.000 Ray Davis and you know, he's pretty good at it. 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.439 He's pretty important. I mean they need you know, James 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:23.320 cook Is is obviously their their lead guy, but like 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.320 that position, we all know how volatile it is. They'll 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.600 need Ray Davis and I think that they look at 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:31.239 that and they say, you know, we like him as 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:32.320 a kickoff return it too. 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:33.200 That's a good one. 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:37.000 You mentioned Dobb's getting some reps at punt return. Has 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.080 he done enough at wide receiver yet this camp? 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.520 Yeah, I think he's getting better. Today wasn't a great 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.119 day for him, but I think he's getting better by 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.200 the day. I thought he had a really good practice yesterday. 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:46.760 Yeah. 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.679 I think he's one of those guys that doesn't you know, 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.360 coming off the bus, you know, you wouldn't be He's 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.680 not really big, he's not really fast, But I think 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.440 as you get into games that he's gonna you know, 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.120 there have been moments in practice when he's come through, 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.200 usually in team period, where oh, nice catch. Like I 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.040 always think he's got good hands, He's got big hands. 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.320 He seems to be pretty reliable. It's probably why they 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:05.600 have him. 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:06.639 Good hands. 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.080 Yeah, but that's really it's kind of like Booty in 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:11.040 a way of like that's kind of his thing. I mean, 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.240 I don't see him as the same player as Booty, 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.639 but I think he's one of those guys that is 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:17.520 a gamer and that you know. I mean, I'm hoping 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:19.240 because yeah, it's been inconsistent. 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:21.320 I think he's been pretty good. I thought he was 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:23.520 a really slow start, and you know, I think Evan 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.399 kept using the small sea concerned and I agreed with him. 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.320 But I think the last couple of days today they weren't. 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:34.000 It seemed like it was either a quick checkdown dump 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:38.919 off or like a slant to Brown. Yeah, Like it 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.040 didn't look like there was a lot of diversity to 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:44.040 the passing game today when Drake May and the Stars 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:45.680 were out there, and then there was one period right 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.520 after those punt returns when they came back over for 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:51.280 the first team period to close practice, he wasn't even 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.320 in it, and I think it was because he was gassed. 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.000 And then the two minute drill he was in and 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.480 that was probably the worst throw that Drake made was 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.520 to him. Yeah, that just kind of had no conviction 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.399 in the throw and dirted it. But he was he 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:07.440 was open coming, you know, coming inside. 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.120 I continue to be small so concerned about Romeo Dods. 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.040 Yeah, I don't think it's been great. Don't get me wrong. 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:12.840 I think that. 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:17.640 It's less so about anything that he's doing wrong. I 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:21.159 just don't know if he's a natural fit inside the 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.479 formation the way that they want him to play inside 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.080 the formation, where a lot of that is a thinking 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:33.480 man's game inside of reading leverage, reading man versus zone understanding, 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:37.000 you know, how to get open against certain coverages. I 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:39.639 don't know if that's necessarily his game. I think his 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.280 game is at the catchpoint. I think his best part 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.600 of his game is the strong hands, the decent sized frame, 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:49.119 ability to box out at the catchpoint. You know, yesterday 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:52.480 in sevens he runs a little skinny on Gonzales and 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:56.760 gets inside position and yeah, you know, I mean seven 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.480 on seven whatever, But like that, those are the types 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:03.080 of throws that I see him excelling at when they 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.919 put him inside and they're asking him to run the 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.480 Edelman Welker stuff like that, that type of stuff, I 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:13.320 just don't I don't see it as part of his game. 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.800 So maybe they get to a point where they're, you know, 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.560 realize his role and understand. But right now they're trying 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.000 to kind of have him play the role that Diggs 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.560 was playing last year. And I don't think that they're 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:30.040 similar players, you know, I think Dobbs is much stiffer 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.399 and much more of a linear athlete. 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:34.040 I want to know who on the Bengo Who on 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:36.879 the Bengo card had Paul being the most positive about 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:37.600 any elements? 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:40.240 So do we have a ways to go before we 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:41.880 figure out this wide receiver room? 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:45.240 No figured out? 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:49.680 I yeah, Like I guess my and I know fred 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:51.840 to like, you know, cover your ears for a second. 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:53.920 I'm gonna I'm going to take the next ten minutes off. 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:58.119 I'm not really sure if I think Chisholm is necessary 0:22:58.960 --> 0:22:59.840 and it does. 0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:03.800 Make play And I mean against who got beautiful catchy 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:05.719 in the end zone yesterday? 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.480 Right that was the U catch Yeah against Marcella style. 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:13.520 I think that, you know, maccollins has a specific role 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.120 in this offense, and it might not be a large one, 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:19.320 and it might not be uh you know, one that 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:22.439 he's going to be super productive on because of the 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:24.480 type of role that it is. But I know the 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:26.760 role that he is going to play, uh you know. 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:29.440 Kyle Williams like, well, we'll see, but I still think 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:31.240 it's early to give up on a guy that I 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.439 think has shown some ability and some flashes of talent. 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:36.639 And then the other four guys are not going anywhere 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:40.520 unless they trade Booty, you know, like a J. Brown, Romeo, Dobs, 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:42.480 Pop Douglas and Kishon. Booty are going to be on 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:45.760 the team unless they get it. Yeah, unless they get 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:47.879 a great trade for Booty, then there he's going to 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:48.840 be on the roster. 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:50.720 Traded. 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:52.800 Well, maybe they trade him, but yeah, I like, I. 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.080 Don't think they'll cut them, but I think they'll trade him. 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:58.360 So I guess if that happens, and then maybe I guess. 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.679 You know, Chisholm right now is like Pop a backup 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.639 to Pop or a backup to mac collins right in 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:07.120 like those types of roles. I just don't know if 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:11.600 like you have the need there like I game day, like, what, 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:12.680 what is he active? 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.360 Like, we don't have the need for plays. 0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:18.679 I wouldn't think he'd be active on game day. But 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:21.600 with Fred, I don't think he's going off the roster. 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:23.399 I think they like him and I think they'll keep 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.040 him as depth like in him and Kyle Williams, so 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:29.040 I'm in much different skill sets, but I think they'll 0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:30.920 both be there for another year to develop. 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:31.800 Be on the practice squad. 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:34.960 Yeah that's fine. Yeah, I'm saying that he can't play. 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:38.320 I'm just saying I think that he's just as redundant 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:40.280 as some of these other guys that we're talking about, 0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:43.480 and I don't see the the role for him, Like 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:46.080 Mac Collins is going to play in certain packages in 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:49.160 certain situations of the game, and you see a specific 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:52.640 way that they're trying to use him in these games, 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:56.320 in these practices, you know, I just don't necessarily see 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:59.040 that with chishm like the backup slot receiver. 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:00.680 I guess the pop. 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.280 I understand it. I think they're gonna keep him around though. 0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:04.800 I think they like him. I think they love the 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:05.840 energy that he plays with and. 0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:08.840 They're going to keep all seven of them, like maybe. 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:10.560 Yeah, I don't think there's any chance that Booty is 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.439 on the team really well, I'm talking Chisholm man. No, 0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:16.719 but that's what I don't think. I just don't think 0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.280 there's any room unless someone gets hurt like that. That's 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:23.320 my quale. My my qualifier is, you know, injuries change 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:27.439 depth charts faster than anything, and if something would have 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.240 happened to one of those top three guys, then they're 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:30.840 gonna need them. 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:32.720 Yeah, I mean I look to next year to where 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:34.840 you have. I mean, Pop's going to be a free agent. 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:36.680 Matt Collins is a free agent. Booty if he sticks 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:37.600 a rounds a free agent. 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:41.200 If you're Elliott Wolf, I think chism's here. I don't 0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:42.160 think he's going anywhere. 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:45.639 If you're Elliott Wolf and you're shopping Booty, what's your pitch? 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:48.520 How are you? How are you describing? He could be 0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:49.920 your number? 0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:51.280 Check out this Booty right here? 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:54.200 No, like, you know, how are you making the case 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:55.440 for Booty on another team? 0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:57.920 I am highlighting all of the reports from camp. I 0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:00.159 guess more in the beginning when everyone was like before. 0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:04.080 They yeah, not that he's not a physical player, that's 0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:06.960 just that was just a line of demarcation for production, 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:11.040 not because because that's his game. Actually, he made a 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:12.840 good catch back shoulder today, yeah. 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:15.800 You know, and he also had a little slantony car. 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:16.239 You know. 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:17.720 I just a back shoulder from Drake. 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.080 I think he's he is what he is, and he's 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:22.040 good at it. But at the end of the day, 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:24.480 I think other guys are better. And you know, I 0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:27.240 just watching A J. Brown, It's like, do you need 0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:31.600 booty in your point on Kobe Minor, I have one. 0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:35.600 If somebody offers you something real for booty, I'm not 0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:37.600 saying don't take it. Like if they offer you a 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:39.640 top one hundred pick or something like that, or it's 0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:42.440 a player for player trade, that makes a lot of sense. 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:45.000 Maybe it's like an edge rusher from another team for 0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:48.880 Kayshaan Boody or something like that. I just really hate 0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:53.119 the idea of moving on for Kashan Boody with the 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:54.800 report that he has with the quarterback. 0:26:56.000 --> 0:27:01.640 My major concern is Dobbs Booty. Yeah, Drake may exactly 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:03.880 what Devon just talks. That's my one concern. 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:07.800 I tried to learn lessons. I learned my lesson about 0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:11.440 Jakobe Myers and Juju Smith Schuster, and I don't think 0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:13.960 that there are similar players necessarily, but I think it's 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:17.280 a similar situation where you have a bird in the hand, 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:20.240 right like Kisehan Boody is the guy that Drake made trust, 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.560 he's the guy that he has rapport with, and then 0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:24.520 you're trying to break in this shiny new toy and 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:28.600 Romeo Dobbs and to Frankly, I don't think it has 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:31.320 been like I don't think it's looked the same, you know, 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:33.920 even today, Like I put the throw mostly on Drake 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:35.760 may I think it was a bad throw that he 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.760 made the Dobbs, but like one or two plays later 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:40.960 he threw the exact same throw to Matt Collins and 0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:44.800 it was completed, and I just I keep seeing that happen. 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:47.720 I keep seeing one throw to Romeo Dobbs that looks 0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:50.560 like he's it's a little bit weird, and then the 0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:52.680 very next play he throws one to Booty or Mac 0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.360 Collins or whoever, and it looks right, and. 0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:57.640 It's like and the other part of this is what 0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:00.679 you're expecting. So if Dobbs finishes, to see if they 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.119 get rid of Booty, and Dobbs finishes the season with 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:07.600 thirty five catches. That's a that's a like borderline disaster, like, 0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:11.000 so it can't be the same, Like that's what I mean. 0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.440 He had thirty three catches last year. If you bring 0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:15.440 in a guy for twenty million a year and that's 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:18.680 all you're going to get for production, that's not good enough. 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:22.000 Like they clearly want him to be the number two, 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.440 And I would agree with you guys. I'm a little 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:27.239 higher on the I think the arrow was going up 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:29.200 a little bit more than you guys do. But I'm 0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:32.920 not arguing with what we've seen so far. The production 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.120 has not necessarily been consistent. 0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.720 Why he's doing getting a little run at punt return 0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:41.360 like I don't know, No, I don't know. 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.040 I mean like full disclosion like the things that they do, 0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.440 and I don't I'm not watching as much on the 0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:48.520 seven on sevens, so I think a lot of the 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.680 plays that Dobbs has made to me has been during 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:52.000 seven on seven periods. 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:53.160 But I'm watching the big Goal. 0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.760 I don't really even chart seven on seven, so I'm 0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:57.280 not talking about that at all. 0:28:57.400 --> 0:28:59.400 Okay, Well, I don't really see him making as many 0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:00.760 plays in the life's like. 0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:02.800 No, that's why I said, I think you guys are 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:05.080 right in terms of production. I yeah, I would agree 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:05.360 with you. 0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.400 I I that would be My concern is like not 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:11.440 necessarily that you're going to give the opportunities to Booty 0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.680 early on in the season, but like when you get 0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:16.760 to let's say Halloween, if it's still not clicking with 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:20.120 Romeo Dobbs, but you have Kishon Boody, who you know 0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.040 it clicks with, Like at that point you might need 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:26.320 to have a hard conversation and you know, readjust what 0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.120 you're thinking here. And I'm willing to give Dobbs some 0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:32.840 time to figure it out. But trading Booty now, you're 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.560 really like you're all in on this Romeo Dobbs thing 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:38.400 working And what's your what's your plan? 0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:39.520 B if it doesn't work? 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:43.240 Right? All right, what's to talk about? 0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:47.120 Eight five five Pats five hundred is the hotline podcast 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:48.320 at Patriots dot com. 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:51.120 Is the email address. Let's open her up? 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.400 Just just looking up jobs and stats. He did have 0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:56.920 fifteen punt returns last year. Oh okay, so so it's 0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:59.200 not like I mean he's that's really all that he's 0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.720 had as a punt returner. It was twenty five for 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.880 Green Bay at fifteen for ninety four yards. Uh so 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:09.280 he only averaged six point three yards, which is, you know, pretty. 0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:10.920 Pretty low fifteen in the season. 0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:12.840 But fifteen punt returns. It's not like he's never done. 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:16.440 Yeah, oh no, back up, Like I said, safe hands, 0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:17.920 maybe you want them one, but I agree with it 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:18.400 kind of thing. 0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:22.680 The like doesn't really have the suddenness, the quickness, you know, 0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:26.000 the explosiveness to me that would lend itself to maybe 0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:27.720 they just like his hands and decision making. 0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:27.960 Yeah. 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:29.800 That's one more thing though too is I was thinking 0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:32.240 more about you know, like talk about who guys made 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.640 catches against and like, And it's totally fair that Chisholm 0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:38.520 has not gone a lot with the ones, but he's 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.200 done more than Kyle Williams has. Like Kyle Williams isn't 0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.120 doing anything against the twos, you know, like he's. 0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:45.400 You don't think Kyle Williams has made catches against. 0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:47.560 The twos, not to the kime. I have seen Chistem. 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:49.720 I think he's an outside guy. He doesn't get anywhere 0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:51.200 near the volume. It's like booty. 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:53.840 That's fair, but I just feel like it's more consistency 0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:55.080 with Chisham, you know, what I mean, Like the three 0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:56.920 I think that Kyle Williams is had, so I mean, 0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:57.320 you know what I mean. 0:30:57.480 --> 0:30:59.520 I just think it's the difference in the catches. They're 0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:02.200 like three passes that he's catching and you're trying to 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.400 get the ball downfield, you know, down splitting the safeties 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.920 on a deep post to Kyle Williams today, that's not 0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:10.400 going to be as high percentage of play, right, But 0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:13.320 they're both just with the twos, So like until that changes, 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:14.720 I'm not really going to put me to one of 0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:15.440 them on my radar. 0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:16.400 I just have more. 0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:19.600 I guess there's this more investment in Kyle Williams, and 0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:22.000 I think that his skill sets just different. I think 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:24.760 he is speed and his ability to get open you 0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:27.200 know deep is just like who else on the team 0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:29.280 really has that dimension to their game. 0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:31.200 And I just want to be fair, Like to Mario 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:34.959 Douglas has caught three times as many passes as A J. Brown, Like, 0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:37.560 does that mean he's been more consistent than Brown? No, 0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:39.600 it's just like the plays that he bits, he's like 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:41.920 little five yard shallow crosses. He's going to catch a 0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:42.680 million passes. 0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:44.960 Well, I think, I mean, i'd say Pop's been a 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:46.160 little deeper than that though, too. 0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:48.840 I mean, I don't think I know, but I'm just saying, 0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.160 because you catch all of those passes, like especially if 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:54.480 if you took out like like the real quick hitters 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.040 to Brown, like when Brown goes downfield. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:59.760 it hasn't been anywhere near as consistent as when he's 0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:01.360 just like those little slants. 0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:03.080 That you catch you No, I know, I getually get. 0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:04.880 I get what you're saying. The two they're playing two 0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:06.880 different positions, and the volume is a thing. But like 0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:10.240 you know, to Fred's point, like the guy just makes place, 0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.160 and like I've watched enough practices to note that some 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.000 guys just don't make place. They never show up, they 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.000 never catch balls. Whether they're a slock gy or anything, 0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:18.600 I don't see. Like I don't see these plays. 0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:19.240 I just don't. 0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:21.680 The one the one thing that I will give to them, 0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:24.040 the high corner out in the red zone is like 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:25.160 he's money on them. 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:26.520 He's caught that two or three times. 0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:28.680 Yeah, and he did it all summer last year too. 0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:31.880 And for a smaller guy like he does get up 0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:32.960 and get to the top, I. 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:34.880 Watch him get locked up in the middle in those 0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.000 red zone drills a lot. 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:40.560 Yeah, I guess I'm with you, Paul. I. 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:45.200 I just I feel like we're we're doing gymnastics to 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.600 try to get all seven of these guys on the roster, 0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:52.120 and I'm not sure that we're not overrating some of them. 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:54.440 And maybe Kyle Williams is in that category. Two. 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:57.240 I just you're two as a guy that was a 0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:00.160 top seventy five pick just a year ago, and as 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:03.120 a skill set that I think would really help this team. 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.840 I just am less inclined to give up on that 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:06.479 as quickly. 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:08.840 And Mike, I just want to say, just to defend 0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:12.720 myself on this, I don't think Chisholm should go anywhere. 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:15.000 I think you should be on the team. Like he's 0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:18.360 everything that you want in one of those sort of 0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:20.920 back end five to six receiver whatever. He's going to 0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:23.040 do whatever you need him to do, right, and he 0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:26.800 has when given the opportunities. He looks the part. So 0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:29.120 I'm not telling you that I haven't seen anything from him, 0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:31.800 So please don't misunderstand. I just haven't seen as much. 0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.280 My brain where I'm not even I'm just saying where 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.840 my brain is that is, can he do it with? 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.160 You know, he's been consistent. He did the same stuff 0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:42.120 last summer. He caught a bunch of passes with the twos, 0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:43.880 and he's you know, gets in in the late in 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:45.680 the preseason game and he's all over the place and 0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:48.520 he's breaking tackles and it's against the twos. But again, 0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:51.440 like I've seen guys that show up and do nothing. 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:54.160 But you know, I've seen guys do that for a 0:33:54.280 --> 0:34:01.200 hundred years and not be NFL players. Yeah, and I'm 0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:05.720 just until I see it change. And by the way, 0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:09.600 I put Kyle Williams in this same spot. Yeah, he 0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:12.360 caught every pass. He had ten catches last year and 0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:14.920 like three touchdowns. Like I could sit there and say 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.400 the same thing about Kyle Willams, I don't because until 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:21.279 he consistently does it with Drake May, I'm not gonna 0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:23.600 put him on my radar as being a key part 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:24.280 of the offense. 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:26.960 I just think that there's a point in time where 0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.640 I think I wonder if they feel like they need 0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:32.440 to get a look at Chism with the ones because 0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:36.279 Pop Douglas has just been such as he's been in 0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:39.239 the slot all summer and at some point you have 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:41.359 to say, we know Pop Doz is gonna be here, 0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:43.439 He's gonna play, And if. 0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.640 They were thinking that way, don't you think it would happen? 0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:45.960 Right? 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:48.239 But instead, like I don't really know how much more 0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:51.560 I have to glean about e Ft and Chisholm going 0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:54.400 up against backup slot corners and things like that. With 0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.319 Tommy DeVito, like this two summers in a row that 0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:00.640 I've seen him be able to handle that of play 0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.120 until I see it against starters on starters and he's 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:07.080 beating Marcus Jones, or he's beaten Gonzales, or he's beaten 0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:09.840 Carlon Davis. When he comes back, It's just hard to 0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:12.400 tell if like there's another level there for him. 0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.640 That's what I'm trying to figure out, Like how do 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:16.120 you know, Paul, Like how do you know that. 0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:17.720 You know Jeremy Gallon? 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:20.399 You know he's he's maybe he was doing the same thing, 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:22.759 you know, and and you're dismissive with him, But then 0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:25.239 like another guy like Julian Edelman, you're dismissed, But at 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:25.799 what point you. 0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.280 Got a little tear killing Jeremy Gallon? 0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:31.360 But at what points he said this guy might be 0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:33.200 more than this. That's all. That's all I'm trying to 0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:35.439 understand because what more can he do? Right now? Gets 0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:36.600 in there, he catches passes with it. 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:37.520 Two, he seems like he's. 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:38.000 In the right spot. 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:42.759 He brings but energy they seem to really Yeah, I 0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:45.759 just I think he's a one trick pony. Like that's it. 0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:48.080 I just wish you like Edelman to me when he 0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:49.880 you know, so much more dynamic. 0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:52.640 Everybody remembers the punt return you know, in the preseason 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.000 as like sort of the coming out party, like that 0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.200 was like an eighty yard punt return. Like I like, 0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:00.800 I just don't see Chisholm having that kind of even again, 0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:03.480 whoever was on the field that night for the other 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:07.319 team aside like having that kind of dynamic movement like 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:07.960 that kind of thing. 0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:11.839 I just watched Edelman, and believe me, I was not 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:14.239 a believer right away in Edelman. So you're absolutely right 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:15.560 to call me out on it because you know the 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:20.000 kind of guys I don't like Mike so so Tim Dwight, 0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:25.840 but he's an elite athlete. That's a different that's a 0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:29.400 different animal altogether. That's like saying I don't like white corners, 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:31.360 but you know, Kooper Gene, I don't have a spot 0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:34.280 for it. You know, like this is an elite athlete there. 0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:36.680 With Edelman. 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:40.120 Like I, you know, I just miss almost everything I 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.399 see in a preseason game, despite the fact that I'll 0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:44.359 be in the balls, discount of furniture studios and make 0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:46.520 sure you're tuning into that providing analysis. 0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:47.920 Don't discount what you see what. 0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:51.719 So like, I think Chisholm had a couple of good 0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:55.120 punt returns. I just like, it's so crazy. You don't 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.000 know who's out there. Guys that are out there in 0:36:57.040 --> 0:37:00.399 combinations of you know that they made me ever even 0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:02.640 took a rep covering a punt before, so it can 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:06.040 get that can happen. But I just looked at the 0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:09.319 explosiveness that Edelman had and you were like, if this 0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:12.560 guy could learn how to play receiver, it might be 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:15.480 something there, Like you could see an athleticism that I 0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:16.480 don't see with Chisholm. 0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:18.520 No, I I hear that for sure. 0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:20.840 I just you know, that's what the hard part is 0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:22.960 because I mean I think of Jalen Polk, who just retired. 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:25.279 I also didn't see anything in him. 0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:27.080 Had a very active training camp. 0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:30.040 Was I mean the five yard pass. 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:33.799 You know, yeah, I mean catching passes, you know, left 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.560 and right. But you know that's what's just it's hard 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.480 because again I see guys who do nothing and so 0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:41.200 it's like it's easy, you know, but a guy who 0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:43.560 just like is it or is he just the superstar 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:45.239 of the JV team and that's all he's ever going 0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:45.440 to be? 0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:47.040 And there are players like that. 0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:49.719 And I'm not saying that, I'm like Johnny Chisholm's going 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:51.960 to be the superstar kind of a I just don't 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.480 want to make a mistake on somebody that might have 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:55.440 some potential if you got to. 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:57.279 If we're going to give if we're going to give 0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:59.839 Chis a chance, who we taken off the field, that's 0:37:59.880 --> 0:38:01.600 my point is who is he better? 0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:05.120 Then he's not better than any of the four guys. 0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:08.480 So you have that down on Pop Douglas now that 0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:11.400 now he's better than us, I'm. 0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:13.200 Saying Pop's great and Chisho might be great too. 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:17.920 I mean, there's no there's nothing I can say other 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.040 than if someone's got hurt, to be glad you have 0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:22.279 them and you can't go into a team building like 0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:27.160 that cut him. I'm just saying, you know, again, I'm 0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:28.400 not trying to defend him. 0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:29.520 I'm just trying to find. 0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:41.760 I say this one last thing, Braxton Burials, Riley McCarran, 0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:44.840 Austin Carr like, and then there's one Edelman. 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:47.640 Edelman and welcome and everybody just you know, says, well, 0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:48.600 that's who he's going to be. 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:51.120 But those guys came out of nowhere similarly, Like it's 0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:54.239 the same story. It's just one out of ten works out. 0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:56.480 And that's my point. That's the odds that this is 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:57.080 the one. 0:38:57.520 --> 0:38:58.800 Very low ten percent. 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:02.719 But I would just say to you, like I I 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:08.040 don't love the idea of building an offense for Drake May, 0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:12.279 specifically out of little option routes from the slot, Like 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:14.960 I I this is a guy that, like he's not 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:17.879 Tom Brady, Like he's not gonna be picking a part 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:20.840 underneath coverage and doing that sort of thing that's not 0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:24.320 his his game, that's not the best part of his game. 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:27.080 So like guys like Booty and guys like Kyle Williams, 0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:29.120 and I would say even Mac Collins to an extent 0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:31.520 that get down the field and win the ball down 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:33.680 the field, like that's those are the types of guys 0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:35.160 I want to surround Drake May with. 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:37.160 Just get first downs. 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:39.880 You know, yeah, I know they really struggled to do 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:41.800 that last year. 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:46.520 Like we're gonna just build an offense like that's not 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:47.840 to the quarterback strength. 0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:49.880 And now I think you're getting a little dramatic. 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:50.920 Why am I getting dramatic? 0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:52.680 What can I build an off an? 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:55.880 It's okay for you to get dramatic, but we can't. 0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:57.600 Is that he's going to be great? 0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:59.480 Yeah, you just said, God forbid, we want to get 0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:02.359 first out. It's not a dramatic sarcastic. 0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:04.560 No, I do it with a smile on my face. 0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:07.560 So Evan just said, well, we're gonna build with a 0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:08.399 smile on his face. 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:12.240 He's upset. 0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:13.040 I'm not upset. 0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:15.160 I just like just getting up just a little bit, 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:16.160 just a little bit, just. 0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:18.799 Like we want to throw five yard passes, but Drake, like. 0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:22.239 I'm I'm sometimes when you need three yards, five yard 0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:24.000 pass is a good pass. 0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:27.080 Sure, but I would rather him throw the ball down 0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:27.480 the field. 0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:29.239 What I'm saying, I mean, you know, zero blitz might 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:29.919 be nice to somebody. 0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:31.640 Can we don't want a forty yard pass someone. 0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:32.360 We only need. 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.200 Maybe accurate downfield passer in the league. But let's make 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:39.680 an offense out of five yard passes. That sounds like 0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:40.160 a great. 0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:41.800 All right, good stuff, good stuff. 0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.840 But I understand what Mike is talking about, Like the 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:46.880 guy has done nothing wrong and. 0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:48.960 I'm talking about it. I wouldn't. 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:52.480 I wouldn't get rid of No, yeah, you're not taking 0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:53.480 it seriously, Mike is. 0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:57.799 I'm kind of knows. I am with my I see 0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:01.480 him doing things, you know, and it's like, okay. 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:02.600 I just doing things. 0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:05.920 He's biting when he's a puppy. Can he become a dog? 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:09.200 And I'm not necessarily convinced on Kyle Williams either. 0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.520 Well, that's the next topic. I was gonna, you know, 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:13.160 bring I know he was hurt, and I don't want to, 0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:15.520 you know, keep dock him because he's had a quiet 0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:17.360 couple of days. But you know, we'd like to like 0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:19.040 to see some of that speed. I'd like to see 0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:21.520 something there that, you know, to Evan's point of an 0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:24.200 element that works with the drake my offense, that they 0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.479 might they might be missing with that downsfield speed because 0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:29.960 I don't we haven't really seen that by itself during camp. 0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:33.839 All right, Uh to the phones. We go past five 0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:38.320 hundred herms in d C. What's up herm Hey. 0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:38.600 What's going on? 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:39.120 Gentlemen? 0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:42.360 Hey Ham, you know what day nine. 0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:47.440 To go, So don't let him. 0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:50.120 Don't let him message you, Mike. 0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:53.439 And but two key. 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:57.799 Questions for you guys. I'm big on Gabe Agis and 0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:01.759 Elil Raridan And obviously I wanted to I wanted to 0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:04.440 ask you guys, how give actress look? 0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:06.319 But it looked like he didn't do much. 0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:08.480 So I want to shift to Ela Radin for a 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:13.760 second because to me, I feel like the former basketball 0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:16.920 players that transitions played tight end. They almost like foolproof 0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:20.640 in my opinion. So my first question to you was 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:25.200 how did I know it's super early? Right, I'll get it, 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:29.120 But how did Ela rared it look so far? And 0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:33.839 most second question is specifically to spread, when will your 0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:40.279 team give us a look of the new facility your 0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:43.239 social media team stuff? And I take up here and listen. 0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:43.719 Thank you. 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:47.920 Okay, I'll answer the second question first. That's coming up. 0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:54.080 We've actually got a really long inside look at the 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:58.160 training center coming out. It'll coincide with the ribbon cutting 0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:00.520 which is coming up about a week. 0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:02.000 I actually think we were doing a lot of work 0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:02.720 on that today. 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:08.120 Yeah, so your your question will be answered very soon. 0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:09.920 And I think you're going to be really happy. You're 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:12.319 going to see everything. So I can't wait for that. 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:13.799 I can't wait to get that out there. 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:16.359 Rare at it? What do you guys think? 0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:17.360 Maybe a little. 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:20.640 Quieter the last couple of days he started really really hot. 0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:24.000 But I think him and Tanna Arkin are here and 0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:25.840 are going to be a part of the offense. I 0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:29.279 would maybe just pump the brakes a little bit on 0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:32.680 Eli Reard and having great production. It's pretty rare at 0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:37.120 that position to have great, great production, nice right out 0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:39.400 of the shoot. So you know, I see people on 0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:42.160 Twitter like saying, you know, he reminds them of like 0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:46.080 Colston Lovelin, who had like fifty catches for seven hundred year. 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:47.920 It was like the ninth pick of the draft. 0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:50.440 Yeah, you know, it's just I'm not trying to tease. 0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:53.040 I just just I would just say that, you know, 0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:54.560 I think there's a skill set there and they're going 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:58.080 to work with him. But I wouldn't be blown away 0:43:58.120 --> 0:43:59.880 by the production just yet. 0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.359 I mean, we've seen big charge, We've seen a couple 0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:05.520 of rookie tight ends that did nothing back in twenty twenty. 0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:07.839 Uh you know, so it's a low bar, but those 0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:10.799 guys seem involved and it's hard, you know, especially Arkin 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:13.560 to feel like, you know, he's going to get opportunity 0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:14.840 to be a blocking tight end maybe. 0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:17.920 Pa see is he the of the camp? 0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:21.560 Yeah, yeah, just role specific. 0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:24.279 But because there's a role for him without Julian Hill, 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:26.480 then like he's gonna I think he's making the team. 0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:29.920 Uh maybe they could, they could try to stash him 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:32.319 on the practice squad, but I think he probably makes 0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:35.040 the roster. But okay, you know he's he's out there 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:37.640 a lot on first down, even with Drake, you know, 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:41.360 like starting offense first down, playing on why, playing the 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:43.680 wing a little bit, playing in the backfield some when 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:44.719 Gilliam's not out there. 0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:49.560 Very spellin today from the unfortunately run away. 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:52.160 Yeah, he's a really good blocker. He was in college 0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:54.080 and I think it's so far it's translated. 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.600 It was interesting hearing from him yesterday too, just acknowledging 0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:59.239 like you know, I'm not very fast, you know, he's 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:02.120 like a it's it, but he knows how to play 0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:05.400 around those things and use his physicality. So yeah, football 0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:08.200 is a contact Yeah, but it's easy to see maybe 0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:11.919 Henry and Arkin will be active and maybe raredan would 0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:13.839 be inactive kind of thing, you know, if they don't 0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:15.560 find a game day spot for him. But I think 0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:17.719 those three guys, I mean, they talked about going out 0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:19.279 and getting another tight end, and I mean I don't 0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:20.600 know if they're going to do it. Yeah, that'll tell 0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:22.239 you how they feel about Arkin if they go out 0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:24.120 and get you know, one of these veterans, maybe to 0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:25.920 go in and do what he does. But when you 0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:28.800 got young legs and young mentality and you're ready to 0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:30.640 go out there and kill somebody, it might be the 0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:31.080 right fit. 0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:33.600 All right, let's go to Connecticut, Nate. We can hear you. 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:39.400 All right, what's up? What I got two questions for 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:40.920 you guys today. A lot of. 0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:44.120 Focus on the offense and defense, but we haven't heard 0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:47.520 much about Borgallis. I just want to know how he's doing, 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:51.000 how the kicking kicking going. Doesn't he have any competitions good? 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.719 According to Alex Barth, I think he's only missed one kick. 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:55.000 Oh okay, I. 0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:59.200 Think, but he's been nails. 0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:02.759 Yeah. Then he hit that fifty three yard today. He 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:03.239 made all that. 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.480 He made every kick, So I think as of Saturday 0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:09.839 he was twenty one of twenty three I don't think 0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:11.120 they did any kicking yesterday. 0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:14.120 Simulated the kicks yesterday and he went seven for seven today. 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:15.320 So you do the math. 0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:17.120 Thirty. 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:20.360 Yeah, we posted our wrap video not you know, we 0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:21.200 wrapped up practice. 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:21.319 Not. 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:23.440 No, we didn't put out rap video, Paul, but we did. 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:25.120 I talked about him. I brought him up and said, 0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:27.799 I mean, it's you've had so many kicker competitions. You've 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:29.560 had rookie kickers come in here and the ball goes 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:34.080 sideways on them to not have any question the port. 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:36.279 With helicopters. 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:38.960 So just to be clear, that fifty three yard was 0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:39.759 good at the end of the. 0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:41.759 Two minute warnings. So I mean the boys were doing 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:43.319 a good breakdown. I mean, do your do your little 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:45.360 breakdown of it. It felt like they, you know, stopped 0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:45.759 the drill. 0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:47.560 Yeah. 0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:50.479 I wanted to ask the ball noer when when Drake 0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:53.520 May and the first offense completed a pass I think 0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:56.279 it was to Hollands. They rushed to the line. The 0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:59.439 clock was running, They got they got over the ball 0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:02.960 and they let about I'd say about ten ten or 0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:07.520 so seconds off the clock took their time milting down 0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:10.960 to four seconds, spiked the ball Boor Galis comes out 0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:13.239 and kicks the field goal. Then Tommy DeVito comes out 0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:16.960 with the twos or should I call that Efton Chisholm's. 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.040 Group came out, thank you and ran. 0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:21.879 Now that is what you did. 0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:23.239 That is what you did. 0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:28.920 That was the example of my background here. So Tommy 0:47:28.960 --> 0:47:31.000 DeVito came out with the twos. They had a similar 0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:33.400 kind of thing one oh five left, you know, and 0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:37.000 moved their way down the field and completed a pass 0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:40.640 in a similar spot of the field actually similar distance 0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:44.239 for a field goal, and they ran to the line 0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:47.200 and spiked it immediately with ten seconds left. I was wondering. 0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:50.000 I thought it was weird, why the change. 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:51.920 I thought it was a little odd too. I don't know, 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:54.400 I have no idea what they were telling him or whatever, 0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:56.759 but I thought it was a little strange too. I 0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:59.600 thought they could have ran one more play after he 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:01.760 completed the past to Hollins is right in the middle 0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:04.120 of the field, so it was like pretty easy get 0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.640 the ball down. The spiked it instantly. I think they 0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:08.520 probably would have had eight or nine seconds left and 0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:11.080 maybe you can run one more quick out or something 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:13.000 like that, just to get at. 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:15.520 I like these little things and I like to find out, 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.560 you know, like I thought, what goes on behind the 0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:20.400 you know, goes into it. 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:24.520 You can ask He'll tell you probably, Yeah, I think 0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:24.879 he would. 0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:29.120 And this is one thing that is sort of one minor, 0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:32.239 minor drawback for the being in the new facility is 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:34.279 that's the thing I would have asked him about on 0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:36.520 a Monday when he comes in, and I would just 0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:38.200 I would stop him and I would say, hey, you 0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:41.640 did this this time that time. But I wouldn't like, 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:44.240 it's not waste. 0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:48.200 Everybody's looking way too much into He might just say 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:49.359 it just happened to Mike. 0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:50.640 Talk to you for a second. 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:51.680 Yeah, I'm with you. 0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:57.120 And Nate made both field goals. By the way, you 0:48:57.120 --> 0:48:58.480 know at the end of those drills. 0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:02.400 Uh, it's is Matthews and misery. Does that mean Missura? 0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:04.080 What's up? 0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:12.480 Matthew? Matthew, Matthew and misery. No, okay, he said misery, 0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:16.480 He said misery. Isn't there that the movie Misery with 0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:19.319 James conn That was the name of the. 0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:20.240 Town, right, Misery. 0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:21.240 That was the name of the book. 0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:24.400 It was the name of the book. But was the town. 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:28.000 Great misery? 0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:28.760 Misery? 0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:29.360 I don't think. 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:33.080 It's she breaks his legs. 0:49:33.280 --> 0:49:36.120 Maybe that book was took maybe it did take place 0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:36.720 in Misery. 0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:37.120 I don't know. 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:40.160 I thought it was the character's name. Oh really, maybe 0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:42.040 that was a really good movie. 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:45.839 It was disturbing, you know. 0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:47.960 James kneven King novel. 0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:50.839 So maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was a book, but 0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:51.360 maybe it is. 0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:57.200 Miser is the name of the character, Misery chest That's 0:49:57.239 --> 0:49:59.759 what I saw, Okay, and will It says it was 0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:01.480 an fictional town of Sidewinder. 0:50:01.760 --> 0:50:08.240 Okay, Brandon's and Syracuse. What's up, Brandon, Brandon? 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:10.960 I think we might be having some trouble with those. 0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:18.480 Brand. What's happening? Oh? 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:19.160 Nothing too much? 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:22.360 Give me just one second, Okay, just call you know. 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:24.640 I'm sorry we caught you at a bad time. 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:27.400 I was no, it's. 0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:34.440 Okay, remember the flush. Okay, let's go to Patty and 0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:35.800 aga on. What's up Patty? 0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:40.080 I think that might be your first Patty, Patty, save us. 0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:43.840 I'm here, Okay, hear me? 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:47.920 Yes, Okay, So I just had a question about the 0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:51.560 practice on Saturday, specific plate because I was I was there. 0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:55.440 I took into practice with one of my favorite pythons, Chris, 0:50:55.480 --> 0:50:59.200 with the t I a n and my girls and 0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.200 a lot of people, my guy Zach from Connecticut who 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:06.120 emails in. But the long play, the long pass that 0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:09.799 draked me through to Kyle Williams, that happened right in 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:11.600 front of me, And I know, like I heard a 0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:13.960 lot of a lot of the media guys say that 0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:17.200 it looked like Williams didn't fight for the ball. But 0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:20.400 when I saw him get behind the defense and he 0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:22.839 had like at least two to three steps on him, 0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:24.799 I felt like the ball came out of May's hands 0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:27.439 a little bit spunky, because the ball duffed its way 0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:30.239 down the field and like Williams had to like come 0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:32.520 back for it. And I don't know, I just thought 0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:34.040 I felt like he had a bad rap on that. 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:35.640 And I wanted to see if any of you guys 0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:37.759 like saw that play and kind of saw the same 0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:38.399 thing that I did. 0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:40.799 Yeah, I saw it. I thought it was a little 0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:44.720 bit underthrown. Now, could you argue that, you know, Keisehan 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:47.000 Boudi had an underthrown pass today from the veto that 0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:49.359 he went up and got. But if you're expecting Kyle 0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:52.000 Williams to be that kind of player, I don't think 0:51:52.000 --> 0:51:55.439 that's really his game. So I would say that I'd 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:57.400 probably put a little bit more of that on the 0:51:57.480 --> 0:51:59.480 throw than it would be on Kyle Williams. Could he 0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:01.640 be a tracked a little bit better and try to 0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:02.319 go up for it. 0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:05.520 Maybe, But that's what he's saying. Did Kyle Williams get 0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:06.560 a bad rap on that one? 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:06.880 Uh? 0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:08.160 Maybe? If I don't know. 0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:09.839 I don't know what other people said about it, but 0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:12.480 I I would say I put that more on the 0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:16.120 throw than on the receiver, just because you have to like, 0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:18.640 that's not the receiver's strength. Like if that was AJ Brown, 0:52:18.680 --> 0:52:20.520 I would expect J Brown to go up and get 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:20.920 the ball. 0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:24.440 I think this whole wide receiver discussion kind of dovetails 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:26.360 into what we were talking about before. We've kind of 0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:29.480 seen what we're going to see with Patriots versus Patriots. 0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:33.400 We need to see these guys against different competition, different 0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:36.640 skill you don't know necessarily what play is coming some 0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:40.839 of the time, and see how they do. And it'll 0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:43.920 be up to McDaniel's and everybody to figure out the 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:46.000 mix in terms of reps so that they can get 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:47.160 good looks for everybody. 0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:50.360 That's been the hardest part. Mc collins and Kyle Williams, 0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:52.680 Neft and Chisholm are repping with the Dutes because there's 0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:55.800 no opportunity right there to rep with the ones. 0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:56.880 Like the ones. 0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:59.360 They got four guys over there with Brown and Dobbs 0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:03.000 and Pop Douglas, and then Booty mixes in with the ones, 0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:05.680 and then you get to the twos, and that's when 0:53:06.080 --> 0:53:08.480 even Matt Collins, who's a veteran in this league and 0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:11.360 you know, played really well for them last year, he's 0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:13.000 wrapping against the twos. 0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:16.399 For the most part. It's just an opportunity thing, all. 0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:17.160 Right, Thanks Patty. 0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:18.240 I called from Aria. 0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:23.359 Ari I do like you like Aria. I do like 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:24.680 Ari in Vegas. 0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:34.200 No, Aria, I do like Aria, but it's like kind 0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:36.279 of a limited menu, like you know, like the other 0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:39.440 places in the North End, there's like fifty kinds of pastas, 0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:41.400 you know, like you can literally order anything. 0:53:41.520 --> 0:53:43.879 Italian. Aria is like a little bit more. 0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:46.560 I haven't eaten in the North End in probably twenty 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:47.160 five years. 0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:49.240 I haven't eaten the North End in probably three days, 0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:52.480 So yeah, I would say that would be my It's 0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:55.919 really good and it's pretty swanky in there, but it's 0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:57.719 a little some menu is a little tight. 0:53:57.840 --> 0:54:01.399 Yeah, well swanky for sure. 0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:05.360 Well, Aria is in New York. What's going on? Aria? 0:54:07.000 --> 0:54:10.600 How are we doing today? Okay, right, all right, First 0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:12.000 of all, I got to give you guys a compliment. 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:13.640 The show's absolutely incredible. 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:14.839 Oh wow, thank you. 0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:17.799 Curious. I'm watching you guys right now. The guy am 0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:20.040 I right? I'm sorry, I'm unfamiliar with the names. Is 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:23.160 wearing a Patriots merch shirt? Where's your guys merch? 0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:27.040 Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, I didn't. I don't 0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:28.000 have merch on today. 0:54:28.560 --> 0:54:32.840 I represent We just message you guys, all right, my my, 0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:35.880 My real question is like this, there there was definitely 0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:40.640 locker room issues with aj Brown last year. That is undoubtedly. Uh, 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:43.960 that was undoubtedly the case. There's a lot of speculation 0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:47.760 and then there are things that we actually know now 0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:51.959 depending on what that info actually is, that would sort 0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:53.839 of indicate if he's going to be a locker room 0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:56.000 problem in New England or not. So if it was 0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:58.880 a Jalen Hurts issue, or if it was a coaching issue, 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:01.960 then in New England that issue shouldn't be there if 0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:05.719 we do things correctly. My question is they're based on 0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:08.960 available info, is there a solid case to be made? 0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:11.480 That these issues won't be happening in New England. 0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:14.799 I would say, not this year. Not this year. 0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:17.120 What makes you think so? 0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:19.640 It's just the way that these things are. 0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:21.880 Like a lot of the players that have come in 0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:25.200 in the past, like Randy Moss who had that reputation 0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:28.319 for being disgruntled or whatever, that first year is kind 0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:32.439 of the honeymoon. You know, he's trying to reverse that, 0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:36.439 you know, persona that's been put on them, and these 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:39.520 guys are usually in their best behavior that first year. 0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:42.120 Now after that, who knows. 0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:45.680 Like he clearly wanted out. He got out and he 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:47.799 went to a place where he's told everybody that he's 0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:50.279 always wanted to be right. So with the head coach, 0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:54.279 I think it's reasonable to suggest what Fred said is 0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:56.200 probably going to happen. It's going to be a honeymoon. 0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:56.600 Yeah. 0:55:56.680 --> 0:55:58.680 And of the quarterback who seems more than willing to 0:55:58.680 --> 0:55:59.440 throw in the ball. 0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:01.799 A lot, right, I don't know if he'll get any 0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:05.040 more than he did in Philly in terms of targets, 0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:07.200 but he's gonna like the guy that's throwing the ball 0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:09.759 more than he did in Philly because he didn't like him. Yeah, 0:56:09.840 --> 0:56:12.239 I just for whatever happened between the two. They had 0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:12.879 a falling out. 0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:16.799 I just I just I keep saying this. You know 0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:20.400 about last year watching the Eagles and their offense, it 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:22.880 just always seemed to me that there was a portion 0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:24.640 of the game like, Okay, now it's time to go 0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:25.000 to A. J. 0:56:25.160 --> 0:56:25.440 Brown. 0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:28.520 It just didn't seem like there was a flow to 0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:30.720 the offense when it came to him. It was almost 0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:34.279 like forced, we got to keep AJ happy, so let's do. 0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:35.880 It poorly coordinated. 0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:38.719 Yeah, that's just the impression. 0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:41.840 I think that's I think that's more than reasonable to expect. 0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:45.080 I have not for one second about AJ Brown. 0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:47.280 I see how you do it now, just like jumped 0:56:47.320 --> 0:56:49.640 right on board, not even first. 0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:53.439 I felt also like the run game was killed due 0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:55.600 to the fact that they didn't really have that strong 0:56:55.640 --> 0:56:57.640 of a deep. You know, they didn't have a double 0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:01.680 deep throughout the downfield. I felt like it made covering 0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:04.799 the run much easier for defenses across the league. 0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:10.399 It's possible, but Drake led the league in downfield, right, 0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:11.400 So that's what I'm saying. 0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:13.920 Oh, so that that so you say you think that 0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:15.560 A J. Brown is going to be the deep threat 0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:17.000 in New England? Who do you think is going to 0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:19.760 be the you know, sort of running the slot routes 0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:20.600 or buck nooks. 0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:23.240 Well, I think I think between Kyle Williams and a J. 0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:27.440 Brown that you know, should be your deep and then 0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:31.440 you've got Pop Douglas over the middle. Hollins can go 0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:35.920 over the middle, Dobbs can go over the middle. So 0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:38.640 I don't think you're going to see, like in the past, 0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:42.360 Troy Brown, Julian Edelman, Wes Welker type of slot guy 0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:45.880 who gets one hundred catches primarily out of the slot. 0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:48.600 But you're going to see a combination of guys going 0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:50.120 over the middle. And I think you're going to see 0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:52.040 a J. Brown go over the middle a little bit too. 0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:54.360 Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't qualify a J. Brown as 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:55.960 their deep threat. I think he's going to be their 0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:58.480 everything threat. Yeah, you know when he's going to be 0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:01.640 the volume guy. When the other Christian Gonzalez goes to him, 0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:03.840 then it should be open season for the other guys. 0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:05.080 That's what your hope. 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:06.800 And I think that he might be right about the 0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:09.040 running game. That could have a trickle down on the 0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:10.840 running game if there's less guys in the box. 0:58:11.000 --> 0:58:12.240 I have to play a little bit more. 0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:15.400 I think that's what's making people like me excited is 0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:18.360 that you can see where the variety of this offense 0:58:18.480 --> 0:58:21.120 is coming from, especially now with Gilliam who's going to 0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:24.400 help that running game, the offensive line, who seems like 0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:27.920 they're going to be better than they've been in the 0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:28.880 last few years. 0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:32.520 Like Josh McDaniels has a lot to work with here. 0:58:32.800 --> 0:58:36.720 There's definitely more variety and more styles of play that 0:58:36.760 --> 0:58:39.240 they can move the ball with. And last year, last 0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:44.040 year they got into a three receiver eleven personnel kind 0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:47.120 of that was sort of their offense for really down 0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:49.400 the stretch and for the most of the season. And 0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:51.880 part of that is because Drake's obviously really good in 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:55.440 that sort of offense. But you know, their ability to 0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:57.880 go to tight end, go heavy with the full back, 0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:02.280 that package that they've been running with Brown, Hollands, Gilliam, 0:59:02.600 --> 0:59:05.760 Ark and Henry or you know running back or whatever 0:59:06.160 --> 0:59:10.040 like that. Those like heavy, big personnel groupings have been 0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:13.240 really effective. You know, goal line, red zone type of 0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:15.840 stuff have been really fun to watch the different things 0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:18.080 that they can do out of those looks. So they 0:59:18.200 --> 0:59:21.080 they definitely have more change ups. I would say this year, it's. 0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:28.600 Just about execution. Cameron's in Kentucky. What's up? Cameron? Cameraon? 0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:30.800 What's going on? 0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:33.520 Hey? 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:42.960 You got it? Whoa you do that? You started out 0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:49.800 so strong? And then oh well, Brandon is in Casanovia, 0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:50.479 New York. 0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:54.880 Got to click it. 0:59:55.400 --> 0:59:57.480 Brandon, you're there. 0:59:59.800 --> 1:00:01.520 I I cut off the first time. I was trying 1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:03.560 to hook up my metaglasses, and of course they weren't 1:00:03.560 --> 1:00:04.160 working for me. 1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:06.240 How do you like your meta glasses? 1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:08.960 By the way, they're phenomenal. I use them while I'm 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:12.200 at work. I do bodywork on vehicles here and and 1:00:12.240 --> 1:00:14.040 I have them on listening to you guys while I'm 1:00:14.080 --> 1:00:14.600 doing work. 1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:18.800 Nice. Do you use the camera feature and all that? Oh? 1:00:18.840 --> 1:00:19.400 I do? Yeah. 1:00:19.400 --> 1:00:20.880 I used to see some of the videos I've taken 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:23.160 riding my motorcycle. Everybody loves watching them. 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:25.160 Nice, you put it on YouTube. 1:00:25.200 --> 1:00:25.840 You can take. 1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:30.920 Sometimes. I've had a little TikTok that I've done and 1:00:31.000 --> 1:00:32.680 kind of done little small videos and stuff I done 1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:34.040 ithing too serious, just for fun. 1:00:34.240 --> 1:00:36.320 Okay, all right, I got a pair of them. 1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:39.439 Yeah, yeah, Oh cool, I'm nice. Yeah, No, they're really well, 1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:42.040 they're pretty. I mean, they're smart glasses. So they say, 1:00:42.120 --> 1:00:43.800 but they have their quirks. 1:00:44.520 --> 1:00:50.520 I tried out the the translation the language translations pretty cool. 1:00:50.600 --> 1:00:52.680 Yeah, yeah, how do you think of that? Has it 1:00:52.720 --> 1:00:53.560 been pretty effective? 1:00:53.760 --> 1:00:54.280 Yeah? It is. 1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:56.280 I mean, you know, like I don't get to use 1:00:56.280 --> 1:00:58.520 it a lot, but I'm learning how to use it 1:00:58.600 --> 1:01:01.000 so that when we go to Munich, maybe I'll I'll 1:01:01.080 --> 1:01:02.000 use it extensively. 1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:07.480 Absolutely, that's awesome. Yeah, So I had I had one 1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:09.520 of the callers already answered kind of one of my 1:01:09.600 --> 1:01:12.160 questions about A. J. Brown in the in the you know, 1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:15.480 locker room, uh or other you guys would think that 1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:17.680 maybe how he's doing. So I have the same feeling 1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:19.240 too that he might be okay, like you said at 1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:21.600 the honeymoon, you know year, this year, you know this year. 1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:24.040 So that's fine. I'm hoping it's not going to be 1:01:24.080 --> 1:01:27.160 anything more than just that, but you never know. My 1:01:27.280 --> 1:01:29.120 second thing is this was just kind of a theory, 1:01:29.480 --> 1:01:31.560 you know, after I saw a video of Matt Collins 1:01:31.600 --> 1:01:32.040 working out. 1:01:32.160 --> 1:01:33.400 He looked massive. 1:01:34.080 --> 1:01:36.960 He looked like tight end massive guy. Would you guys 1:01:37.000 --> 1:01:39.600 have any would you guys have any objections if we 1:01:39.640 --> 1:01:41.440 saw him at a tight end position or does he 1:01:41.480 --> 1:01:44.480 seem like he's not that kind of a guy. 1:01:44.800 --> 1:01:46.240 Why are you shrinking away from that? 1:01:47.280 --> 1:01:47.800 Gets angry? 1:01:47.920 --> 1:01:50.240 I would, I would act. I just think he's gonna 1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:51.920 play in the slot. He's going to do some blocking, 1:01:52.000 --> 1:01:52.160 but I. 1:01:52.120 --> 1:01:53.840 Don't think they're going to put him hand in the dirt. 1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:54.880 You know, have to work. 1:01:55.360 --> 1:01:57.680 I've heard I've heard this question a lot, Brandon, You're 1:01:57.720 --> 1:01:59.480 not the only person who's brought up. 1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:03.640 Matt Collins does the tight end. But it really rankles. 1:02:04.880 --> 1:02:07.080 That's why I was chunking away. He'd be a really 1:02:07.120 --> 1:02:07.880 small tight end. 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:12.200 Thanks, brand doesn't rankle my feathers at all. Okay, I've 1:02:12.240 --> 1:02:12.640 moved on. 1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:14.080 I mean he's so what does that mean? 1:02:14.200 --> 1:02:16.000 To twenty one? I mean that's that's. 1:02:15.800 --> 1:02:17.040 A small tight end. 1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:18.280 If that's what we want to. 1:02:18.280 --> 1:02:21.360 Do, then I think to forty is probably like small, 1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:24.080 like a move tight end. That's like the bottom line. 1:02:24.120 --> 1:02:25.440 You gotta be over to forty. 1:02:26.120 --> 1:02:29.040 I mean, what's what's uh, tanner arcan like to sixty. 1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:29.480 To sixty five? 1:02:30.240 --> 1:02:32.640 Right, forty forty, that's a blocking tight end. 1:02:32.640 --> 1:02:34.200 I'm gonna put the two hundred and twenty pound guy 1:02:34.240 --> 1:02:34.600 in line. 1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:36.600 He's gonna thrown his helmet too. I don't know if 1:02:36.600 --> 1:02:37.800 you guys caught that yesterday. 1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:40.200 Oh yeah, caught a lot of things from him. Actually 1:02:40.240 --> 1:02:41.240 he's a colorful sort. 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:44.880 He said, did we have two callers calling in about 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:45.560 aj Brown? 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:48.120 Like locker room? Any of you thought about that for 1:02:48.240 --> 1:02:49.800 any No, No, I. 1:02:49.760 --> 1:02:51.560 Think Fred answered that question. 1:02:52.080 --> 1:02:54.000 Not even it has not even been a thought in 1:02:54.000 --> 1:02:56.000 my mind. But maybe I just didn't know too deep 1:02:56.000 --> 1:02:56.720 in the weeds here. 1:02:56.880 --> 1:02:59.680 I mean, I was kind of surprised Moss like it 1:02:59.760 --> 1:03:01.480 kind of sideways with Moss. But I know there are 1:03:01.560 --> 1:03:03.600 you know, Bill was here, There are send you any circumstances, 1:03:03.640 --> 1:03:06.439 maybe a little bit, but an older receiver like going 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:08.280 off the reservation like that, Like I don't know. I 1:03:08.320 --> 1:03:10.520 just think like he only has so many more bites 1:03:10.520 --> 1:03:12.800 at the apple, and it's like, you're not gonna shoot 1:03:12.800 --> 1:03:14.000 your way out of here at thirty two. 1:03:14.080 --> 1:03:15.640 Fred's got it and then get another patriot. 1:03:15.640 --> 1:03:18.280 I don't have any concern for twenty twenty six whatever, 1:03:18.280 --> 1:03:21.000 this what years? I don't have any concern for this year. 1:03:21.040 --> 1:03:23.760 But Fred's right, like all bets are off moving forward. 1:03:23.800 --> 1:03:27.720 Those guys generally find something to be aggrieved by, and 1:03:27.760 --> 1:03:30.800 that happened to Moss. It happened to Dylan, Like they 1:03:30.840 --> 1:03:34.000 come in and they have problems elsewhere, and they're on 1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:36.280 their best behavior and they go through the honeymoon period. 1:03:36.400 --> 1:03:39.040 I think it's why Stefan Diggs is not a Patriot anymore. 1:03:39.520 --> 1:03:41.960 Quite frankly, you got the honeymoon year out of them. 1:03:42.240 --> 1:03:44.800 Let's cut ties, yeah, don't push it, yeah, because I 1:03:44.840 --> 1:03:47.840 think generally something happens. 1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:49.800 What's the contract switch for him next year? 1:03:49.840 --> 1:03:51.800 He's under contract next yeah, but is it. 1:03:51.800 --> 1:03:54.560 For three more manageable next year? And it should probably 1:03:54.720 --> 1:03:55.800 wide receiver one money. 1:03:55.960 --> 1:03:58.640 I mean next year is the end of the guaranteed money? 1:03:58.760 --> 1:04:00.439 Or is this year the end of the guarantee year? 1:04:00.480 --> 1:04:03.520 But so like I mean next year, like, he's getting 1:04:03.520 --> 1:04:05.720 paid like a top ten receiver in football, and if 1:04:05.720 --> 1:04:07.840 he produces like a top ten receiver in football, then 1:04:07.920 --> 1:04:10.480 it's it's no problem. But there's no discount, Like it's. 1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:11.880 Not like he's no, he's well paid. 1:04:12.040 --> 1:04:15.000 Yeah, but you know, there's three years left on the deal. 1:04:15.760 --> 1:04:18.919 It's a funky contract because the Eagles and the void 1:04:19.040 --> 1:04:22.800 years and all the craziness with Howie Roseman. So the 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:25.640 contract voids and that's where you start to get into 1:04:25.680 --> 1:04:28.520 some of the cap problems. With it because it has 1:04:28.560 --> 1:04:30.680 the void years on and then the debt the money 1:04:30.760 --> 1:04:32.960 is kicked down the road, and then it's like a 1:04:32.960 --> 1:04:35.360 fifty million dollar cap charge if you get stuck with 1:04:35.400 --> 1:04:36.560 the contract expiring. 1:04:36.720 --> 1:04:38.720 So you don't want that to happen. 1:04:38.840 --> 1:04:41.800 So whether they restructure it or whatever at some point 1:04:41.840 --> 1:04:43.600 would be my guest to get the language a little 1:04:43.600 --> 1:04:47.800 bit more Patriot friendly. But overall the contract is two 1:04:47.840 --> 1:04:49.480 more years basically of real money. 1:04:50.080 --> 1:04:55.400 Okay, boy, that first hour went by really quick. Let's 1:04:55.800 --> 1:04:58.000 let's take a break. We'll catch our breath. 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How about that little sunscreen? And then 1:07:40.320 --> 1:07:43.360 I got to follow Polly's footsteps the towel genius. Luckily 1:07:43.400 --> 1:07:45.200 Fred hooked me up with the napkins. So I'm trying 1:07:45.240 --> 1:07:46.800 to wipe the sweat here as we go. But it's 1:07:46.840 --> 1:07:48.200 a pleasure to be here. I'm really fired up by 1:07:48.200 --> 1:07:50.560 the season. If we have your back for another year. 1:07:50.880 --> 1:07:53.760 You're adding the seat cushions too. Make sure you make 1:07:53.760 --> 1:07:55.520 sure you're behind taking care of it. 1:07:55.560 --> 1:07:56.200 And I need that. 1:07:56.280 --> 1:07:58.800 Okay, it's pretty flat. So I know everybody probably thought 1:07:58.800 --> 1:08:01.680 we had a player on for our say Jack, play 1:08:02.600 --> 1:08:04.080 play a little football you Maane, I. 1:08:04.080 --> 1:08:05.920 Guess shorter arms and Will Campbell. Guys, it was, it was, 1:08:06.120 --> 1:08:07.720 it was. It was a no for me from the 1:08:07.800 --> 1:08:08.240 very beginning. 1:08:08.480 --> 1:08:10.640 We'll get the full scouting report on Jack before we 1:08:10.680 --> 1:08:13.080 get into the first preseason game in a couple of weeks. 1:08:13.080 --> 1:08:15.200 But guys, we did have a practice here today and 1:08:15.440 --> 1:08:17.280 you know, you guys saw yesterday did a great job 1:08:17.320 --> 1:08:19.679 breaking down, Drake May raining bombs in the red zone. 1:08:19.760 --> 1:08:21.320 They were a little bit more in the middle of 1:08:21.360 --> 1:08:23.679 the field this this week or today, I should say. 1:08:23.720 --> 1:08:25.479 Mike Rabel said they were doing a call it which 1:08:25.479 --> 1:08:28.920 seemed like situational football, we know, going through the downs. 1:08:28.920 --> 1:08:31.200 But overall, I thought there were a few plays but 1:08:31.240 --> 1:08:32.760 it seems like things are a little bit There were 1:08:32.800 --> 1:08:35.320 sloppy to Paul, there was interceptions. There were some balls 1:08:35.320 --> 1:08:35.559 on the. 1:08:35.479 --> 1:08:37.800 Ground here, and I thought it was a little more 1:08:37.800 --> 1:08:41.040 even today. I thought the defense made some disruptive plays 1:08:41.080 --> 1:08:43.640 as well. I thought there was some immediate pressures. I 1:08:43.680 --> 1:08:46.559 didn't know about the tempo of the actual plays, how 1:08:46.560 --> 1:08:48.840 they were running today. I thought they were a little 1:08:48.880 --> 1:08:51.320 bit more live yesterday than they were today. But you know, 1:08:51.479 --> 1:08:54.360 Drake May continues to throw the ball reasonably well, I think, 1:08:55.080 --> 1:08:57.840 and then you're starting to see I think Rotemeo Dobbs 1:08:57.840 --> 1:09:00.679 show up a little bit more. You had a little 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:02.760 bit less from some of the other guys today, so 1:09:02.880 --> 1:09:05.120 I thought, you know, you had to. You mentioned the interceptions, 1:09:05.840 --> 1:09:08.759 so you had one for May, one for Tommy DeVito. 1:09:09.160 --> 1:09:11.200 But overall I thought it was a little bit back 1:09:11.240 --> 1:09:12.920 and forth today for the offense and defense. 1:09:13.040 --> 1:09:15.120 Yeah, I felt a little bit like the dog days 1:09:15.120 --> 1:09:17.439 of training camp are here and guys have been passed 1:09:17.560 --> 1:09:19.200 three straight days and it's. 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:20.839 Hot and the day off tomorrow. 1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:24.519 So maybe a little bit more uh, sloppiness today, especially 1:09:24.560 --> 1:09:26.360 from the offense. The balls on the ground a couple 1:09:26.360 --> 1:09:29.000 of times with a few fumbles and the interceptions that 1:09:29.040 --> 1:09:32.800 you guys mentioned. Uh, Jackie, you've played offensive line, so 1:09:33.040 --> 1:09:34.920 you got to school these guys on this. 1:09:35.000 --> 1:09:36.719 But we got a lot of pressure. 1:09:36.720 --> 1:09:38.519 I played offensive line in high school too, thank you 1:09:38.560 --> 1:09:40.760 very much, just so he doesn't have to school him. 1:09:42.160 --> 1:09:44.960 Yeah, yeah, I'm passing the baton. He love it on 1:09:45.000 --> 1:09:47.880 the offensive line talk. But up front there, I thought 1:09:47.920 --> 1:09:49.680 there were some issues with some of the stunts in 1:09:49.720 --> 1:09:53.639 the games that the defense was running. Elijah Ponder, Draymond Jones, 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:55.720 a couple of guys in there. 1:09:56.080 --> 1:09:59.320 Uh, And so I thought that was something that impacted 1:09:59.360 --> 1:10:02.439 practice a little bit too. And as this new offensive line, 1:10:02.479 --> 1:10:04.599 and you know, some guys were out today no Vera 1:10:04.680 --> 1:10:08.320 Tucker Morgan Moses continues to kind of rotate with kayleb Blomo. 1:10:09.000 --> 1:10:10.720 So a couple of things that have stood out there 1:10:10.720 --> 1:10:13.479 in terms of the pass rush, maybe not the standard 1:10:13.520 --> 1:10:16.160 fore man rushes. Those seem to be blocked up pretty well. 1:10:16.200 --> 1:10:18.479 But once you start running all those games up front, 1:10:18.479 --> 1:10:19.759 that's when it got a little dicey. 1:10:19.840 --> 1:10:21.519 You guys can speak this way better than I can. 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:23.840 Having watched so many of these training camp practices, the 1:10:23.960 --> 1:10:25.680 run game seems like it needs to get going. 1:10:25.720 --> 1:10:26.680 Is that a training camp thing? 1:10:26.760 --> 1:10:29.280 Is that maybe some questions about about how efficient is 1:10:29.320 --> 1:10:30.360 here has been early on. 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:33.519 Yeah, it's been quiet. It is hard to evaluate it 1:10:33.560 --> 1:10:35.360 when they're not tackling to the ground. But I thought 1:10:35.520 --> 1:10:38.000 the way evn't put it, there were guys I thought 1:10:38.200 --> 1:10:40.840 knifing through and being making just shot. That's why I 1:10:40.880 --> 1:10:43.360 thought there was more disruptive plays on defense. I just 1:10:43.560 --> 1:10:47.840 was really just talking about interceptions. I thought, fifty one 1:10:47.960 --> 1:10:52.880 is that Riley Riley Wilson. Yet Riley Wilson, I thought 1:10:52.880 --> 1:10:54.280 he was blowing up plays he put. 1:10:54.160 --> 1:10:56.639 Somebody on his But I one of the rookie running backs. 1:10:56.640 --> 1:10:58.479 I don't know what thirty nine or thirty they kind 1:10:58.479 --> 1:10:58.720 of all. 1:10:59.120 --> 1:11:00.920 I thought there were a lot of plays around the 1:11:00.920 --> 1:11:02.720 line of scrimmage that never really had a chance to 1:11:02.760 --> 1:11:05.400 get going. Screen passed. Alarison was one of the fumbles 1:11:05.400 --> 1:11:08.479 that Evan talked about. So yeah, I thought the running 1:11:08.520 --> 1:11:11.200 game is not anywhere near where you wanted to be. 1:11:11.200 --> 1:11:14.439 But Vara Tucker missing from left guard is a big difference. 1:11:14.439 --> 1:11:16.559 And I did think that Ben Brown, who took his spot, 1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:20.400 struggled for the most part today. Moses, you know, he 1:11:20.479 --> 1:11:22.519 was out there for the team periods, he wasn't out 1:11:22.560 --> 1:11:24.960 there for the individual stuff, so you know, there was 1:11:24.960 --> 1:11:26.240 a lot of mixing and matching today. 1:11:26.280 --> 1:11:27.920 I think Mike hit it right in the open though. 1:11:27.840 --> 1:11:30.559 It's just dog days of August even you know, it's 1:11:30.560 --> 1:11:31.680 only August, firsh And that's what. 1:11:31.680 --> 1:11:33.240 I think the coaches want to get to this point 1:11:33.280 --> 1:11:35.760 when you got to push through that mental toughness and 1:11:35.800 --> 1:11:38.320 find it when it's hot and when it's hard, especially 1:11:38.360 --> 1:11:40.120 when some new players getting opportunities. 1:11:40.320 --> 1:11:41.760 Everybody wants to know. Of course, how Drake did. 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:44.200 I mean, he did have one really nice backshot shoulder 1:11:44.240 --> 1:11:47.320 throat to AJ Brown. Don't panic, A J. Brown did 1:11:47.320 --> 1:11:49.120 walk off the field. He didn't, he didn't come back. 1:11:49.120 --> 1:11:50.599 But Mike Rabele did say they were going to limit 1:11:50.600 --> 1:11:52.760 some of these guys today, as Paul pointed out, So 1:11:52.760 --> 1:11:55.000 I don't think there's any reason to panic. However, Kyle 1:11:55.040 --> 1:11:57.240 Williams did also go off with a trainer and was 1:11:57.240 --> 1:11:58.719 getting looked at, so that's something away. 1:11:58.800 --> 1:12:01.080 He came back, well, he came back into and he 1:12:01.200 --> 1:12:03.040 was doing what I thought was interesting, a lot of 1:12:03.080 --> 1:12:05.560 work with on special teams, with the gunners and the 1:12:05.640 --> 1:12:08.640 vice guys. So he's clearly trying to find himself a 1:12:08.680 --> 1:12:09.400 game day role. 1:12:10.320 --> 1:12:12.080 So returner maybe we. 1:12:12.040 --> 1:12:12.600 Talked about that. 1:12:12.760 --> 1:12:14.840 I mean, anything to use his speed, you know, whether 1:12:14.880 --> 1:12:19.240 it's gunner covering punts or returning kickoffs. I think both 1:12:19.280 --> 1:12:21.640 of those things are our roles for him. You know, 1:12:21.680 --> 1:12:23.759 I've talked a lot about the third running back also 1:12:23.800 --> 1:12:27.240 being involved in those kickoff returns, So getting speedback there 1:12:27.320 --> 1:12:29.320 is obviously the type of play that it is. So 1:12:29.800 --> 1:12:32.360 I could see Kyle Williams potentially filling in there and 1:12:32.520 --> 1:12:35.920 and maybe earning a roster spot because Ft and Chisholm, 1:12:35.960 --> 1:12:37.720 he's going to play on special teams. You know, he's 1:12:37.720 --> 1:12:40.120 going to be a backup returner and he's going to 1:12:40.120 --> 1:12:42.280 be able to maybe cover kicks too. So I think 1:12:42.320 --> 1:12:44.960 Kyle Williams got to learn special teams. That's going to 1:12:45.040 --> 1:12:45.879 have to be a path. 1:12:45.960 --> 1:12:47.680 Jack your first time at KIM What what stood out 1:12:47.680 --> 1:12:48.200 to you today? 1:12:48.360 --> 1:12:50.759 First off, A lot of credits to you guys watching 1:12:50.840 --> 1:12:52.800 all that chaos, especially when everyone's an indie, you know, 1:12:52.840 --> 1:12:55.920 watching everyone, it's almost impossible to follow, especially the guy 1:12:55.920 --> 1:12:59.599 with the ADHD. I'm something, so I tip the caps 1:12:59.640 --> 1:13:02.799 you guys. I thought it was very interesting to watch 1:13:02.880 --> 1:13:04.519 that live period at the end with the threes. I 1:13:04.560 --> 1:13:06.160 think that that's kind of this time of year. I 1:13:06.200 --> 1:13:09.200 love those battles, right, I'm biased. I played with Xavier 1:13:09.200 --> 1:13:11.680 Holmes right so watching him and king on him, just 1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:12.519 watching a guy. 1:13:12.360 --> 1:13:13.200 Fight for a spot. 1:13:13.240 --> 1:13:15.840 I think that's what's always so intriguing about these training 1:13:15.880 --> 1:13:17.800 camp practice. And there's plenty of battles across the board 1:13:17.840 --> 1:13:18.880 here at PATS Camp. 1:13:19.080 --> 1:13:21.840 Yeah, live tackling to the ground, which we don't see 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:24.360 you very often in practice. And they've done it both days, 1:13:24.400 --> 1:13:26.840 just with the threes. Don't worry, they're not tackling Drake 1:13:26.920 --> 1:13:28.960 May all right, but just with the threes. 1:13:29.080 --> 1:13:31.240 But we saw it yesterday, we saw it today. I 1:13:31.520 --> 1:13:33.360 don't know if you guys recalled did we see that 1:13:33.439 --> 1:13:36.799 last summer? I don't remember Mike Rabel having live tackling. 1:13:36.920 --> 1:13:39.320 I definitely don't remember this amount of reps for the 1:13:39.360 --> 1:13:42.840 threes period last year. I think that's a testament. Mike 1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:45.040 was asked about it before practice. I think it's a 1:13:45.080 --> 1:13:48.679 testament to you know, Morton and some of those receivers, 1:13:48.840 --> 1:13:51.559 you know, I think Cameron Dormer, Riley Dixon. I think 1:13:51.600 --> 1:13:54.640 these guys have shown up and made some plays when 1:13:54.680 --> 1:13:57.160 they've been given opportunities. And I think because of that, 1:13:57.280 --> 1:13:59.680 Mike feels compelled to give them more opportunities. 1:14:00.200 --> 1:14:01.760 I would like to toss you guys, you know, warm 1:14:01.840 --> 1:14:04.400 up the softball here. Kyle Williams obviously named fans are 1:14:04.479 --> 1:14:07.759 very curious about a great day offensively, is that upside 1:14:07.800 --> 1:14:09.400 that it is going to make it a tough call 1:14:09.439 --> 1:14:11.000 for them, a really tough decision here at the end 1:14:11.000 --> 1:14:11.439 of the month. 1:14:11.600 --> 1:14:12.920 I mean, I think he's starting to show up here 1:14:12.960 --> 1:14:14.320 in the last couple of days. I mean, you guys 1:14:14.520 --> 1:14:15.840 saw Yesterday's what he ever. 1:14:15.960 --> 1:14:17.640 I don't know what he did yesterday. Ye yeah, he 1:14:17.640 --> 1:14:18.120 had a good day. 1:14:18.200 --> 1:14:20.519 Yeah. So it's just been making most of his of 1:14:20.560 --> 1:14:22.400 his opportunities, I think, and that's what we've talked about. 1:14:22.439 --> 1:14:24.080 That's why I like him as a kickoff returner. It's 1:14:24.080 --> 1:14:26.200 a spot where they don't really have an obvious guy 1:14:26.240 --> 1:14:28.160 and maybe if he can add some speed to that, 1:14:28.400 --> 1:14:30.679 maybe some game changing ability, because early in the camp's 1:14:30.720 --> 1:14:32.639 almost felt like an afterthought with the kickoff returner. 1:14:32.760 --> 1:14:33.759 Yeah, Kyle Williams. 1:14:33.840 --> 1:14:36.280 Yesterday I thought was kind of like his breakout practice, 1:14:36.280 --> 1:14:37.640 if you want to call it that, and you know, 1:14:37.920 --> 1:14:40.439 finally started to notice him a little bit. Then today 1:14:40.439 --> 1:14:42.280 I thought he was behind the defense on that deep 1:14:42.320 --> 1:14:43.719 ball and Drake May under threw that. 1:14:43.600 --> 1:14:44.439 Pass a little bit. 1:14:44.479 --> 1:14:46.640 It was so he went right through the middle of 1:14:46.680 --> 1:14:48.960 the field and he was going to be gone and 1:14:49.000 --> 1:14:50.599 the ball just hung up in the air on Drake 1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:53.280 May a little bit. So I thought the last couple 1:14:53.280 --> 1:14:56.000 of days we've seen a little bit more Kyle Williams. 1:14:56.439 --> 1:14:58.800 Paul you mentioned to me, I think before practice, maybe 1:14:58.840 --> 1:15:02.400 a little less Kaisehon. He did have a catch today, 1:15:02.760 --> 1:15:05.640 but maybe a little bit that hype train slowing just 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:08.200 a tad and maybe Kyle Williams picking up the torch 1:15:08.240 --> 1:15:09.040 a little And. 1:15:08.920 --> 1:15:10.680 One last thing, Mike before you, I know, you have 1:15:10.720 --> 1:15:12.400 to do your your wrap up. Well, we got to 1:15:12.520 --> 1:15:15.040 at least a chance to see yeah Gay back us, 1:15:16.000 --> 1:15:18.240 you know, so he was not in full pads and 1:15:18.400 --> 1:15:20.559 very limited. Mike said he would be limited, and he was, 1:15:20.600 --> 1:15:22.840 but I did get to see him sort of working 1:15:22.840 --> 1:15:26.599 on some punk protection stuff. He rocked one of the coaches, 1:15:26.760 --> 1:15:31.719 Mike Smith. Yeah, Mike, I don't know any of the coaches. 1:15:33.200 --> 1:15:35.679 So I made an audible noise when that happened. 1:15:36.840 --> 1:15:38.880 And now great moments in. 1:15:41.160 --> 1:15:41.639 History. 1:15:41.840 --> 1:15:44.479 So that Sunday that we were playing the Jets and 1:15:44.520 --> 1:15:47.160 their PR guy comes up to me while I'm sitting 1:15:47.200 --> 1:15:50.040 there and he's like, you know what you wrote isn't true. 1:15:50.280 --> 1:15:53.320 We're not censoring the clips. I'm like, well, you're not 1:15:53.360 --> 1:15:55.479 giving two of them, right. He's like, yeah, but that's 1:15:55.520 --> 1:15:58.240 not censoring. The guy sitting next to me goes sounds 1:15:58.280 --> 1:16:01.120 like censorship to me, and he just walked away. 1:16:02.439 --> 1:16:05.639 Another one for Fred. 1:16:05.760 --> 1:16:08.240 A lot of people skin they hated me. Oh yeah. 1:16:08.280 --> 1:16:10.400 So the other thing I wrote in the paper. We 1:16:10.400 --> 1:16:10.800 were talking. 1:16:10.840 --> 1:16:13.200 I was talking about the draft, how it's unfair that 1:16:13.320 --> 1:16:16.240 every at that time, every year, the draft was in 1:16:16.280 --> 1:16:18.880 New York. I said that wasn't fair because people in 1:16:18.920 --> 1:16:20.880 the crowd it's all New York fans, and you know, 1:16:21.520 --> 1:16:23.080 so I said they should come up with a new 1:16:23.120 --> 1:16:27.160 thing that the team that has the first pick. That's 1:16:27.200 --> 1:16:29.360 where the that's the city where the draft should be. 1:16:29.520 --> 1:16:31.320 I said, But on second thought, that'd be the Jets 1:16:31.360 --> 1:16:35.960 every year anyway. So again, like Gold, we get a. 1:16:35.960 --> 1:16:37.759 Letter, you know, comic styling. 1:16:37.800 --> 1:16:40.120 You're a member of another team. You shouldn't be saying 1:16:40.160 --> 1:16:43.120 this about another team. And like, you know, for a while, 1:16:43.160 --> 1:16:45.040 like I was like enemy number one. 1:16:45.360 --> 1:16:47.720 You know, it's a metalware of them. 1:16:50.400 --> 1:16:51.240 Do not let this man. 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:56.760 So the vice president of pr for the league sent 1:16:56.880 --> 1:16:59.200 the Crafts a letter about me saying that I'm a 1:16:59.280 --> 1:17:03.240 pain in the app And Jonathan showed me the letter. 1:17:03.400 --> 1:17:07.960 He's like, I just got this from Dan Brown. Joe Brown. 1:17:08.000 --> 1:17:10.840 I just got this from Joe Brown. He does good job. 1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:17.439 That's another great moment from all Right. 1:17:17.520 --> 1:17:20.360 You got your first glimpse at the new host of 1:17:20.560 --> 1:17:24.800 the pre and post game show, Jack Webb. Yeah, a 1:17:24.840 --> 1:17:28.679 little bit nikov he's got the Nikovich beard, good solid beard. 1:17:28.840 --> 1:17:32.560 Yeah, we're talking some some center quarterback exchange. 1:17:32.960 --> 1:17:35.400 Yeah. Played played center at U Maine. 1:17:35.760 --> 1:17:36.200 The center. 1:17:36.320 --> 1:17:39.840 Yeah, okay, he started a guard and they moved or 1:17:39.960 --> 1:17:41.920 maybe tackle. They moved him inside the center. 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:43.599 I thought he was a slot receiver. 1:17:46.880 --> 1:17:49.040 Well, maybe he should try out for maybe he should. 1:17:48.760 --> 1:17:49.360 Be a tight end. 1:17:49.520 --> 1:17:50.960 Maybe I know what that ankle he's got. 1:17:50.960 --> 1:17:52.000 I'm worried about him a little bit. 1:17:52.080 --> 1:17:53.280 Yeah, he's playing hurt. 1:17:53.439 --> 1:17:55.400 Absolutely, We're making him walk all over the building and 1:17:55.760 --> 1:17:57.280 he's nervous on the hill too. 1:17:57.520 --> 1:17:59.920 So he'll be joining us, and we have another new 1:18:00.479 --> 1:18:02.559 person who will be on the show, but we'll kind 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:04.800 of keep that a little bit of a secret, make 1:18:05.000 --> 1:18:06.280 maybe more of a surprise. 1:18:06.960 --> 1:18:08.120 So I we're excited. 1:18:08.160 --> 1:18:10.360 It's gonna be It's gonna be different, a good dynamic 1:18:10.439 --> 1:18:11.559 this year, I think so. 1:18:11.760 --> 1:18:16.519 Yeah, so fall you all right, I'm all right. Paul 1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:17.360 doesn't like change. 1:18:17.400 --> 1:18:19.840 You know, he doesn't like change until he gets into 1:18:19.880 --> 1:18:21.160 it and then he's like all right. Then it's like 1:18:21.320 --> 1:18:23.120 when and he was depressed and then he got me. 1:18:23.120 --> 1:18:25.280 He said, all right, just changes my personality. 1:18:25.439 --> 1:18:27.839 That's all that was good. I have to be stifled. 1:18:29.200 --> 1:18:31.000 No, you don't have to be Yeah. 1:18:30.840 --> 1:18:33.559 I goldn't have to be oh yeah, yeah. 1:18:33.200 --> 1:18:35.760 All right, let's go to Chris with a T. I 1:18:35.840 --> 1:18:36.320 A N. 1:18:36.360 --> 1:18:36.760 What's up? 1:18:36.840 --> 1:18:37.200 Christian? 1:18:39.040 --> 1:18:40.160 It's Christian from l A. 1:18:40.280 --> 1:18:43.800 But right, I know, I. 1:18:45.360 --> 1:18:47.200 I guess I was just confused. 1:18:47.800 --> 1:18:53.559 I was just being hopeful and when Christian yeah out. 1:18:54.560 --> 1:18:57.960 So you know that old adage that it's okay for 1:18:58.080 --> 1:19:00.840 me to criticize my family, but it's not okay for 1:19:00.880 --> 1:19:02.160 you to criticize my family. 1:19:02.320 --> 1:19:04.000 Yes, that happens here all the time. 1:19:05.240 --> 1:19:07.120 I felt a little bit of that this week when 1:19:07.439 --> 1:19:11.000 like this Aaron Rodgers thing where he's like going after 1:19:11.080 --> 1:19:15.439 Mike Rabel calling for an investigation about potential tampering and 1:19:15.520 --> 1:19:19.960 illegal information sharing with Deanna, and it feels like okay, 1:19:20.000 --> 1:19:23.160 you know when we talk about it in home and 1:19:23.240 --> 1:19:25.840 how it's okay, But with this guy literally trying to 1:19:25.880 --> 1:19:29.400 disrupt our team, I feel like with us playing this 1:19:29.439 --> 1:19:33.639 guy week two, maybe Mike Rabel might have a special 1:19:33.720 --> 1:19:36.280 blitz or two set up for Aaron Rodgers. 1:19:36.360 --> 1:19:39.639 Maybe, But wasn't he really taking more shots at ESPN 1:19:40.040 --> 1:19:42.479 We're not covering it more? 1:19:43.560 --> 1:19:45.720 No, No, he says like, yeah, you can't have to 1:19:45.800 --> 1:19:47.920 talk about it, and he wants to leave to look 1:19:47.960 --> 1:19:51.679 into potential tampering, and like she was also an MVP 1:19:51.920 --> 1:19:53.799 voter and she was a Coach of the Year. 1:19:53.720 --> 1:19:54.639 Voter, so. 1:19:56.200 --> 1:19:58.080 Yeah, you know it was an attack on the media. 1:19:59.120 --> 1:20:00.559 ESPN gonna meet it. 1:20:00.600 --> 1:20:03.280 But calling for Mike Able to be investigated. 1:20:02.760 --> 1:20:06.360 No, I don't know anyway, whatever, I'll take your word 1:20:06.360 --> 1:20:06.559 for it. 1:20:06.600 --> 1:20:08.960 I didn't see all their comments extensively that was not 1:20:09.040 --> 1:20:09.479 covered here. 1:20:09.600 --> 1:20:11.479 I hope they I hope they blitzed the hell out 1:20:11.520 --> 1:20:13.559 of them anyway, you know, I mean. 1:20:13.479 --> 1:20:14.360 I probably will. 1:20:14.360 --> 1:20:15.439 It can't move right. 1:20:15.640 --> 1:20:17.640 I hearn Aaron Rodgers said some stuff. I did not 1:20:17.640 --> 1:20:18.760 pay any attention. 1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:19.800 To what else you got. 1:20:21.800 --> 1:20:23.240 You? 1:20:23.360 --> 1:20:26.000 That's what I what I saw. Yeah, what else you got? 1:20:26.040 --> 1:20:28.559 Don't get anything good? Tesla anything like that? 1:20:28.760 --> 1:20:28.960 You know? 1:20:29.160 --> 1:20:32.280 Mansions? 1:20:32.439 --> 1:20:34.880 Can you guys identify someone on both sides of the 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:39.639 ball where you put in the cut compete or cash 1:20:39.720 --> 1:20:42.559 in category meeting? You know better likely to be cut? 1:20:42.920 --> 1:20:45.400 One guy that's in the thick of it, competing in 1:20:45.479 --> 1:20:47.640 his position, and then one guy you guys think of 1:20:47.760 --> 1:20:48.640 poise to cash in? 1:20:49.520 --> 1:20:51.280 Pois to catch cash in? 1:20:51.640 --> 1:20:53.920 Drake May, Yeah. 1:20:54.920 --> 1:20:57.880 He's doing the three guys or oh, you're gonna. 1:20:57.640 --> 1:21:00.000 Tell us we just got to come. Oh you're just 1:21:00.160 --> 1:21:02.840 asking us, all right, so you'll you'll hang up and listen. 1:21:02.920 --> 1:21:05.200 Well, poise to cash in, wouldn't that be Gonzales I. 1:21:05.120 --> 1:21:07.280 Was gonna say, there's only one answer for that. 1:21:07.600 --> 1:21:11.040 Right, He's going to get a contract. Well, we think 1:21:11.080 --> 1:21:12.640 he's going to get a contract. 1:21:12.200 --> 1:21:13.960 But hopefully it doesn't take the whole season. 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:16.000 Yeah, I think in the summer. 1:21:16.439 --> 1:21:20.560 What about bar More getting another contract? 1:21:21.200 --> 1:21:23.560 No, okay, I think that. 1:21:23.680 --> 1:21:29.080 Yeah, that's a good question. They're kind of in a 1:21:29.120 --> 1:21:30.519 sweet spot right now. I feel like where they got 1:21:30.560 --> 1:21:31.800 some young guys who aren't going to be up with 1:21:31.880 --> 1:21:40.479 other cut can't compete, right, I'm gonna marry gay back. 1:21:40.600 --> 1:21:48.400 Is is anybody like is there a surprise cut candidate anywhere? 1:21:48.439 --> 1:21:49.800 Like, I don't mean if you count one of those 1:21:49.800 --> 1:21:52.960 wide receivers, like yeah, you know, like mc collins were. 1:21:53.120 --> 1:21:55.960 To be Mac Collins. If that was Mac Collins, I 1:21:55.960 --> 1:21:58.320 think would be a surprise cutter if he wasn't part 1:21:58.320 --> 1:21:58.439 of this. 1:21:58.840 --> 1:22:00.840 Yeah, I mean there's seven of them, so someone's got 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:01.000 to go. 1:22:01.120 --> 1:22:01.479 Yeah, but I. 1:22:01.479 --> 1:22:04.080 Wouldn't consider like if they traded Booty, I would not 1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:06.040 consider that a surprise. He's been on the trade block 1:22:06.080 --> 1:22:06.840 for two years now. 1:22:06.920 --> 1:22:10.560 Well, maybe they end up, you know, cutting Mac Collins. 1:22:10.240 --> 1:22:11.559 And that would be a surprise. 1:22:11.680 --> 1:22:13.120 I'm surprised. 1:22:14.160 --> 1:22:15.160 That's the definition. 1:22:15.600 --> 1:22:16.600 It's a surprise, just. 1:22:18.320 --> 1:22:21.960 Exercise and they talk about players that you think, really 1:22:22.200 --> 1:22:23.120 he could I would. 1:22:22.920 --> 1:22:24.439 Have a hard time with them. 1:22:24.479 --> 1:22:26.440 I just you know that I don't want the aggregators 1:22:26.479 --> 1:22:29.200 to be like Glazaarre Colon mac Collins. 1:22:31.560 --> 1:22:34.679 Too much. I just I don't worry about enough. 1:22:35.600 --> 1:22:37.640 Like just with him, I just wonder because he's a 1:22:37.680 --> 1:22:39.920 vested veteran, he doesn't have to go through waivers, and 1:22:40.040 --> 1:22:42.679 like whoos Him and Kyle Williams are two young players 1:22:42.680 --> 1:22:45.080 that you might think have some upside and they would 1:22:45.160 --> 1:22:46.880 have to be put on waivers. So, like, is there 1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:49.679 a world where he's like Brandon Bolden and they cut 1:22:49.720 --> 1:22:52.960 them and say don't pack your bags and then figure 1:22:53.000 --> 1:22:54.920 out a way to get him on the roster after 1:22:55.040 --> 1:22:57.160 the all of the dust settles. It's just a theory. 1:22:57.280 --> 1:23:01.799 It could happen, but it would still be a surprise. Yeah. 1:23:01.840 --> 1:23:05.120 Compete would be guys like Tanna Arkin, Yeah, you know, 1:23:05.520 --> 1:23:11.479 Chad Mulma, your guy, Karan Karan Prunty, absolutely very competitive guy. 1:23:11.760 --> 1:23:12.400 That's a good one. 1:23:12.640 --> 1:23:15.719 Yeah. Ian's in New York? What's up? Ian? 1:23:18.000 --> 1:23:18.439 Do you guys? 1:23:18.479 --> 1:23:21.200 Can you hear me? Yeah? 1:23:21.439 --> 1:23:23.880 I was wondering for me. One of the big narratives 1:23:23.880 --> 1:23:27.120 from last season is that we the second most points 1:23:27.520 --> 1:23:30.519 per game for offense, but we were twenty fifth per sack. 1:23:31.560 --> 1:23:33.640 I was wondering what you guys attributed that to. Was 1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:36.960 it more of Tricks may scrambling style, or was it 1:23:37.000 --> 1:23:40.760 the offensive line? And if it's one of those or 1:23:40.800 --> 1:23:43.280 the other, do you think we've improved in that front 1:23:43.320 --> 1:23:44.080 in the off season. 1:23:45.200 --> 1:23:45.360 Yeah. 1:23:45.360 --> 1:23:47.439 I thinks early on in the year, I would say 1:23:47.439 --> 1:23:49.160 a lot of those sacks were on Drake May, and 1:23:49.160 --> 1:23:51.519 he even came up to the podium and would say 1:23:52.479 --> 1:23:55.519 a lot of these sacks are on me. Later on 1:23:55.600 --> 1:23:57.519 in the year, I think the offensive line started to 1:23:58.400 --> 1:24:01.400 decline and Campbell gets hurt and you know, things start 1:24:01.439 --> 1:24:03.240 to happen, and maybe it was more on the line 1:24:03.240 --> 1:24:05.040 in the playoffs, I would say than it was on 1:24:05.160 --> 1:24:05.679 Drake May. 1:24:06.080 --> 1:24:08.200 So maybe a little bit of both. 1:24:08.280 --> 1:24:11.040 But it's one number, you know, two numbers really, the 1:24:11.120 --> 1:24:15.080 sack total and also his pressure to sack rate is 1:24:15.280 --> 1:24:18.080 a sack avoidance, if you will. That are two numbers 1:24:18.080 --> 1:24:20.720 that were on the higher end of the spectrum that 1:24:20.760 --> 1:24:24.600 they probably ideally would get lower his second year in 1:24:24.640 --> 1:24:27.639 the system. But we also have talked about, like that's 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:29.400 just his game, and like how much do you want 1:24:29.439 --> 1:24:32.040 to take away the scrambling and the play extension and 1:24:32.320 --> 1:24:35.160 all that kind of stuff. If you love the plays 1:24:35.240 --> 1:24:37.799 when they break down and he makes these ridiculous plays 1:24:37.840 --> 1:24:40.120 after the play breaks down, then you have to let 1:24:40.200 --> 1:24:40.960 him try to do it. 1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:42.960 You can't just say, yeah, you know. 1:24:43.040 --> 1:24:45.240 Some of their biggest plays and the biggest wins that 1:24:45.240 --> 1:24:47.160 they had were those exact kind of plays. 1:24:47.240 --> 1:24:49.160 Right, So it's a tough line. 1:24:49.160 --> 1:24:51.679 I'd say the style of quarterback that he plays tends 1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:55.200 to get sacked more than a pocket passer, you know, 1:24:55.280 --> 1:24:57.080 that's getting the ball out quickly. 1:24:57.600 --> 1:25:01.240 Thanks Ann, And you figure that the detection itself should 1:25:01.280 --> 1:25:04.280 be better with Campbell and Wilson in their second years, 1:25:04.280 --> 1:25:06.360 they should be better. You take it, you know, a 1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:09.280 step forward as in the year two, and you bring 1:25:09.320 --> 1:25:12.400 in a veteran like AVT that that should that should 1:25:12.400 --> 1:25:16.240 be better. That's why I just went with the AVT. Yeah, 1:25:16.360 --> 1:25:19.479 so you would think the protection overall should be better. 1:25:19.520 --> 1:25:21.640 But yeah, I think a lot of the numbers are 1:25:21.640 --> 1:25:24.200 going to come down to Drake may too, because I 1:25:24.240 --> 1:25:28.000 think that you guys described it properly. That's that's something 1:25:28.000 --> 1:25:29.439 that's in his game and you don't want to take 1:25:29.479 --> 1:25:30.080 it out of his game. 1:25:30.160 --> 1:25:30.360 Yeah. 1:25:30.600 --> 1:25:32.519 I just remember early on in the year last year, 1:25:32.520 --> 1:25:35.960 there's a lot of sacks, like he was the high 1:25:36.000 --> 1:25:40.280 amount of sacks and like franchise record amount of sacks, 1:25:40.360 --> 1:25:42.360 like all the trends were heading in that direction, and 1:25:42.400 --> 1:25:43.600 he took a lot of ownership in. 1:25:43.640 --> 1:25:47.800 That it wasn't a NFL record in the playoffs. Yeah right, yeah, yes, 1:25:47.960 --> 1:25:49.200 twenty one something like that. 1:25:49.520 --> 1:25:51.760 Chris with a tia and the real one, the real 1:25:51.800 --> 1:25:55.200 one writing yea, Saturday's practice was a blast. My big 1:25:55.240 --> 1:25:58.880 takeaway is that the offense is well big, especially at 1:25:58.880 --> 1:26:02.080 wide receiver. I'm excited to see how it all shakes out. Fred, 1:26:02.120 --> 1:26:04.680 we were wondering who the big guy was you were 1:26:04.720 --> 1:26:06.960 talking to. Turns out it was the new host of 1:26:07.000 --> 1:26:10.360 the pre and post game show. Welcome Jack Webb. I 1:26:10.400 --> 1:26:13.519 know you guys say this at ad nauseum, but the 1:26:13.600 --> 1:26:15.640 experience of going to camp is wonderful and if you 1:26:15.640 --> 1:26:17.400 can make it down, it's absolutely worth it. 1:26:17.439 --> 1:26:20.400 And thanks for stopping by. Christian. It's nice to see hi. 1:26:20.400 --> 1:26:22.080 I'm bummed out we didn't we didn't see him. 1:26:22.800 --> 1:26:24.600 Yeah well yeah, I mean everyone was up in the 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:26.080 ramps anyway, but I was down there. 1:26:26.840 --> 1:26:27.000 Now. 1:26:27.000 --> 1:26:29.720 We didn't have any PU shoutouts, really down at the. 1:26:36.600 --> 1:26:39.280 Matt writes in I wanted to know a couple of things. 1:26:40.200 --> 1:26:43.320 Would you say, well, Campbell was abysmal last year? Why 1:26:43.400 --> 1:26:45.000 is there a consensus that he was one of the 1:26:45.040 --> 1:26:46.320 worst tackles in the league. 1:26:46.960 --> 1:26:48.120 He was in the playoffs? 1:26:48.360 --> 1:26:50.680 Yeah, I don't think up to the injury. 1:26:50.360 --> 1:26:52.760 He wasn't a bus I haven't read anybody say that 1:26:52.800 --> 1:26:54.040 he was abysmal last year. 1:26:54.800 --> 1:26:59.040 Abysmal it's way strong now, did not have a good playoffs? 1:26:59.360 --> 1:27:04.360 Did what was not good? No, So you know he's 1:27:04.400 --> 1:27:05.639 got a little bit of a bounce back. 1:27:05.680 --> 1:27:09.000 He need to hire some of these guys to feed 1:27:09.040 --> 1:27:11.160 this stuff to the coaching staff when they're looking for 1:27:11.200 --> 1:27:11.559 these things. 1:27:12.920 --> 1:27:16.320 You know, they have like code words that they search for. 1:27:17.840 --> 1:27:20.000 We have to see will Campbell play in games before 1:27:20.040 --> 1:27:23.400 I totally crown him. But I do like the way 1:27:23.439 --> 1:27:27.519 that he's responded, Like I feel like confidence wise, like 1:27:27.560 --> 1:27:30.040 some guys, with the playoff performance that he had and 1:27:30.160 --> 1:27:32.800 especially the Super Bowl, like that could kill a young 1:27:32.840 --> 1:27:35.599 player's confidence for good. Yeah, and I don't get that 1:27:36.160 --> 1:27:39.000 impression from him. I almost got the impression that it 1:27:39.120 --> 1:27:42.800 like motivated him. Yeah, you know, we'll see, Like, we'll 1:27:42.800 --> 1:27:43.280 see if it. 1:27:43.680 --> 1:27:45.519 I would, like I said, I would expect him and 1:27:45.640 --> 1:27:49.280 Wilson both to be to be significantly better in year two. 1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:51.000 But I don't think either one of those guys was 1:27:51.040 --> 1:27:52.040 abysmal last year. 1:27:52.439 --> 1:27:55.479 I really like I just like, I think, like, you know, 1:27:55.479 --> 1:27:59.040 the way he handles himself, you know, good answers direct. 1:27:59.240 --> 1:28:01.960 I do like the way you know, you just want 1:28:02.040 --> 1:28:03.439 him on this team for a long time. 1:28:03.520 --> 1:28:05.680 Yeah, he you know, I just if you separate all 1:28:05.720 --> 1:28:07.840 the position talking, all that stuff out of it, just 1:28:07.880 --> 1:28:09.760 the kid that he is and the player that he is. 1:28:09.800 --> 1:28:11.760 I just I think he brings an edge to the team. 1:28:11.840 --> 1:28:13.680 And you know, I just I'd love to see him 1:28:13.680 --> 1:28:15.720 really settle into that left tackle position and not have 1:28:15.760 --> 1:28:17.559 to worry about it. And you know, we saw it 1:28:17.560 --> 1:28:20.519 after practice today. You saw Will Campbell and Drake May 1:28:20.520 --> 1:28:23.000 after practice with their you know, Drake with his wife 1:28:23.080 --> 1:28:24.920 and Will Campbell with his fiance and you know, and 1:28:25.160 --> 1:28:26.800 yak and I'm like, man, this would be great to 1:28:26.920 --> 1:28:29.600 just have this connection and you know, really believe in 1:28:29.640 --> 1:28:31.920 both these guys, two key positions, and you really like 1:28:32.000 --> 1:28:33.920 them and they're just easy guys to root for, both 1:28:33.960 --> 1:28:34.280 of them. 1:28:34.800 --> 1:28:39.200 Also, Matt wants to know any impressions of defensive tackle 1:28:39.320 --> 1:28:40.320 Casey Rogers. 1:28:41.040 --> 1:28:45.080 He's only been two practices the uf UFL Yeah, I 1:28:45.080 --> 1:28:45.640 thought he had a. 1:28:45.640 --> 1:28:46.639 Couple of good reps today. 1:28:46.720 --> 1:28:49.400 The first practice was a little rough, but as you 1:28:49.400 --> 1:28:52.040 would expect for a guy that was not signed and 1:28:52.400 --> 1:28:55.840 came into the middle of training camp. But today I 1:28:55.840 --> 1:28:58.840 thought he did had a couple of sheds, a couple 1:28:58.840 --> 1:29:01.720 of good block you know, getting off blox, things like 1:29:01.760 --> 1:29:02.479 that with the threes. 1:29:02.520 --> 1:29:05.679 So we'll see if Darius wants to know who looked 1:29:05.680 --> 1:29:08.320 the part more, Keon White or gab Accis. 1:29:09.320 --> 1:29:11.439 Acus looks like, yeah. 1:29:11.280 --> 1:29:12.720 I know, I'm not going to jump to that look 1:29:12.880 --> 1:29:14.840 the part yet. I mean they both have a hard 1:29:14.880 --> 1:29:18.080 time getting past looking the part. Now he wasn't he 1:29:18.080 --> 1:29:20.360 didn't play the part. Yeah, I'll be the first to 1:29:20.360 --> 1:29:22.720 admit he didn't play the part. But he's like my guy, 1:29:22.920 --> 1:29:24.840 Mauri Gainer. I can't he look. 1:29:25.320 --> 1:29:27.519 I know, I like a lot more as a player. 1:29:27.720 --> 1:29:29.439 Yeah, totally different skill set. 1:29:29.520 --> 1:29:32.240 I never was like to, well, he's doing what he's 1:29:32.280 --> 1:29:34.439 always done. This has been him like he's been an 1:29:34.520 --> 1:29:37.080 edge player his whole career. Whe was on the problem 1:29:37.160 --> 1:29:38.840 ball and you never really knew where he was going 1:29:38.960 --> 1:29:43.120 tween her very stiff, and I mean he's powerful guy. 1:29:43.160 --> 1:29:45.120 And I think this is a good question though for accus, 1:29:45.200 --> 1:29:47.599 you know, to Evan's point of can he be more 1:29:47.600 --> 1:29:49.559 than just a power guy? Can he have some moves? 1:29:49.560 --> 1:29:51.479 Can he have some counters? Can he get under guys? 1:29:51.520 --> 1:29:53.080 You know that that will really round him? 1:29:53.360 --> 1:29:55.200 Curious to see him play all around players? 1:29:55.280 --> 1:29:57.000 Yes, yes, yes, he's got some. 1:29:57.200 --> 1:29:59.200 I think is a power guy, but we'll be curious 1:29:59.240 --> 1:29:59.840 to see him play. 1:30:00.280 --> 1:30:03.400 He's got some I got some fluidity to him in 1:30:03.439 --> 1:30:05.759 the run against the run, like I see him slip 1:30:05.800 --> 1:30:08.600 some box and like get around guys. But like the 1:30:08.600 --> 1:30:10.880 pass rush is linear, like there's no doubt that he's 1:30:10.920 --> 1:30:13.840 a bull rusher like that. I but I I think 1:30:13.840 --> 1:30:16.960 that you know, line games like that sort of like 1:30:17.280 --> 1:30:19.840 that's gonna be the other dimension for him is like 1:30:20.160 --> 1:30:22.640 you know, he's gonna be a menace on stunts, So like, 1:30:22.720 --> 1:30:24.720 you know, those are the things I think now if 1:30:24.760 --> 1:30:27.040 you're gonna ask him to like mister Miagi and all 1:30:27.040 --> 1:30:29.240 of a sudden he's got all these moves and things 1:30:29.280 --> 1:30:35.679 like that, I'm not sure, but power go right through people, stunts, picks, 1:30:36.000 --> 1:30:36.680 things like that. 1:30:36.840 --> 1:30:38.240 I think he'd be effective with that. 1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:40.480 I got sorry, can I interrupt you? 1:30:40.479 --> 1:30:42.120 Well, you already did, keep going. 1:30:42.160 --> 1:30:43.479 I just want to bring out. Evan and I talked 1:30:43.479 --> 1:30:44.800 about this on the rants, and I think this is 1:30:44.840 --> 1:30:48.320 a big defensive storyline that we haven't really touched on yet. 1:30:48.360 --> 1:30:50.439 And I you know, when they signed Kevin Byrd, and 1:30:50.479 --> 1:30:52.080 it wasn't just us, it was you know, people that 1:30:52.160 --> 1:30:54.679 I watch around the league saying that he's a free safety. 1:30:54.680 --> 1:30:56.080 Now that's you know, he's gonna play in the back 1:30:56.160 --> 1:30:58.640 end of the defense. And what we've seen here in 1:30:58.720 --> 1:31:01.320 camp is that they're continued to use him and Craig 1:31:01.360 --> 1:31:05.679 Winson interchangeably sending Byered on blitz send Woodson on blitzes. 1:31:05.680 --> 1:31:08.639 He's playing down, he's playing back. So you know, Evan 1:31:08.640 --> 1:31:10.519 and I were talking up on the ramps about, you know, 1:31:10.640 --> 1:31:13.200 is this sustainable, can he do this? Can he hold 1:31:13.280 --> 1:31:15.920 up playing inside? Is this going to best serve the defense? 1:31:15.960 --> 1:31:19.040 Where this is a guy who's super smart, super experienced. 1:31:19.280 --> 1:31:21.840 You've heard the other players talk about how he's so 1:31:22.000 --> 1:31:24.479 smart and he just knows where, you know, the ball 1:31:24.560 --> 1:31:26.040 is going to go, and he seems to find it there. 1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:28.280 I hope that does they don't lose that from him. 1:31:28.360 --> 1:31:30.320 And I wonder maybe at some point, if it's not 1:31:30.360 --> 1:31:32.880 working this season, if they do go to a more 1:31:32.920 --> 1:31:36.200 traditional set where it's Devin mccordy on the back end making, 1:31:36.240 --> 1:31:38.479 you know, cleaning everything up, getting everybody on the same page, 1:31:38.600 --> 1:31:41.360 you know, and Chung down below doing the work like 1:31:41.400 --> 1:31:43.080 Woodson could. And I you know, I think it would 1:31:43.280 --> 1:31:45.519 benefit Woodson when we saw today those guys are flying 1:31:45.520 --> 1:31:46.040 off the edge. 1:31:46.080 --> 1:31:48.120 But do we have to be careful about what we 1:31:48.160 --> 1:31:50.320 see early in camp because this is a time where 1:31:50.360 --> 1:31:53.360 you try stuff, and you know, once they get later 1:31:53.439 --> 1:31:54.360 in camp, maybe you. 1:31:54.320 --> 1:31:56.519 Will see Buyer as that center field. Yeah. 1:31:56.680 --> 1:31:59.360 I just I think what Deuce is kind of going 1:31:59.400 --> 1:32:02.439 off of the like his tape last year. Like I 1:32:02.439 --> 1:32:04.960 think when he got into situations where he was playing 1:32:04.960 --> 1:32:07.040 man to man on tight ends last year, was Dicey 1:32:07.400 --> 1:32:10.719 just at this point of his career. So I agree 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:13.479 that they're schematically, I'm not getting too caught up in 1:32:13.520 --> 1:32:16.240 what they're doing in practice. But I don't know if 1:32:16.280 --> 1:32:19.080 he he reminds me so much of mccordy at the end. 1:32:19.400 --> 1:32:22.600 Like Devin mccordy at the end, was he was a 1:32:22.600 --> 1:32:25.559 field general, back there like he was not. He was 1:32:25.600 --> 1:32:27.799 no longer the player that was going to cover guys 1:32:28.120 --> 1:32:30.200 man to man, you know, but he could play in 1:32:30.240 --> 1:32:32.439 the back end. He was going to get everybody, you know, 1:32:32.479 --> 1:32:33.960 all the ducks in a row. He was going to 1:32:34.320 --> 1:32:37.120 range over the top was still there. He just wasn't, 1:32:37.320 --> 1:32:40.959 you know, fast enough anymore, dynamic enough to cover guys. 1:32:41.160 --> 1:32:44.200 And I see similar traits with Bayern, But that doesn't 1:32:44.240 --> 1:32:47.120 mean he can't be a useful player. It's just understanding 1:32:47.120 --> 1:32:49.920 his strengths and weaknesses at thirty three that maybe they 1:32:49.960 --> 1:32:53.800 weren't in twenty nineteen when Rabel first had him in Tennessee. 1:32:54.120 --> 1:32:57.880 Tom and Edinburgh, Scotland. Are you part of the Tartan Army? 1:32:58.640 --> 1:33:02.040 Tom, I'm glad you guys continue to bring the energy 1:33:02.040 --> 1:33:04.040 and have plenty of shows. They keep me going through 1:33:04.040 --> 1:33:08.280 my long runs during marathon training cycles. Luble brag seventh 1:33:08.320 --> 1:33:09.720 Marathon coming up in New York. 1:33:09.760 --> 1:33:10.400 It's a lot of ryme. 1:33:11.120 --> 1:33:11.880 Woll good for you. 1:33:12.240 --> 1:33:14.559 I have an opinion on the Booty trade talk. I 1:33:14.600 --> 1:33:17.280 think we should keep him. I'm not trying to overhype 1:33:17.360 --> 1:33:19.920 him or anything, but he catches the ball. It is 1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:26.400 a reliable target, much like Dorset. Mike, Oh, I'd like to. 1:33:26.840 --> 1:33:30.519 I'd look to off I looked who who we compared 1:33:30.680 --> 1:33:31.680 to Dorset. 1:33:31.320 --> 1:33:34.879 Booty Booty, Philip Dorset. 1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:38.639 I think he means yeah, No. Tom Curran actually said 1:33:38.640 --> 1:33:42.599 something to me two days ago, and I'm trying to remember. 1:33:43.120 --> 1:33:47.519 I don't know if it was Booty, Well, Kyle Williams. 1:33:49.000 --> 1:33:51.120 Skill set wise, he's much more Kyle Williams. 1:33:51.120 --> 1:33:53.120 I think it was Kyle Williams he was talking about 1:33:53.200 --> 1:33:55.320 like kind of reminded him of like maybe a little 1:33:55.320 --> 1:33:58.479 Philip dor Set. That's funny, Like was like, what are 1:33:58.520 --> 1:34:01.719 the odds that you know two different people use Philip 1:34:01.760 --> 1:34:03.320 doris Set as a comp It's not like, oh he 1:34:03.320 --> 1:34:05.320 reminds me of Edelman, you know, or he reminds me 1:34:05.360 --> 1:34:07.920 of Gronk, Like he reminds me of Phillip doris Set. 1:34:08.520 --> 1:34:09.000 I like to. 1:34:09.120 --> 1:34:11.840 I look to Offloaw Douglas. I personally don't see him 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:14.439 fitting into the system. He just looks like the odd 1:34:14.479 --> 1:34:17.640 one out and struggles in games. I can see the athleticism, 1:34:17.920 --> 1:34:21.080 but I don't see him being good enough developed Chisholm instead, 1:34:21.160 --> 1:34:24.080 who can offer something more with his thicker Bill and. 1:34:23.960 --> 1:34:25.920 I would push back on that. I think. I think 1:34:25.960 --> 1:34:28.240 that Pop Douglas done a really good job kind of developing, 1:34:28.320 --> 1:34:30.160 continuing to develop. I think he's a good. 1:34:30.800 --> 1:34:32.880 I think he does look good. He looks good. 1:34:32.920 --> 1:34:35.120 He's in the slot every time they go through receiver, 1:34:35.200 --> 1:34:35.839 he's fast. 1:34:35.880 --> 1:34:38.000 I just think it's such a perception thing. And I 1:34:38.040 --> 1:34:42.080 know I've made this point a million times. The numbers 1:34:42.080 --> 1:34:44.519 for him and Booty are the same. For some reason, 1:34:44.600 --> 1:34:47.960 Booty is every you know, irreplaceable, and everybody just wants 1:34:48.000 --> 1:34:51.120 Douglas to go. I just don't really get it. I 1:34:51.160 --> 1:34:55.040 don't understand they had virtually the same exact efficiency numbers. 1:34:55.080 --> 1:34:59.600 It was like mid forties targets, low thirties receptions for 1:34:59.720 --> 1:35:02.080 sim amount of yards. Big plays are. 1:35:01.920 --> 1:35:05.760 Both and you know what about in the playoffs. 1:35:06.920 --> 1:35:08.519 One of the biggest plays of the playoffs was the 1:35:08.520 --> 1:35:10.920 Tomorrio Douglas fourth down conversion for a touchdown and give 1:35:10.960 --> 1:35:14.040 him the lead against Houston. Okay, you know, and Booty 1:35:14.080 --> 1:35:16.240 put that same game away with a one handed catch 1:35:16.920 --> 1:35:19.680 for a touchdown. Like those were two huge plays in 1:35:19.680 --> 1:35:20.160 that game. 1:35:20.680 --> 1:35:24.360 Pete and Jupiter Florida. I saw that Jalen Pok retired 1:35:24.400 --> 1:35:26.920 this weekend. The timing was perfect for me since I'm 1:35:26.960 --> 1:35:29.479 listening to the twenty twenty four draft show when he 1:35:29.560 --> 1:35:32.639 was drafted. I'm currently on day three listening to Mike 1:35:32.720 --> 1:35:35.320 rant about how annoyed he is with people who were 1:35:35.320 --> 1:35:38.559 disappointed with the pick, and how he Mike is all 1:35:38.600 --> 1:35:40.679 in on Polk what went wrong. 1:35:41.080 --> 1:35:44.519 As Paul would say, I have PTSD zero recall. Also, 1:35:44.800 --> 1:35:45.439 is it funny? 1:35:46.240 --> 1:35:48.800 It is funny listening to Mike being so passionate knowing 1:35:48.840 --> 1:35:49.720 how it all turned out. 1:35:49.920 --> 1:35:50.759 Well, that's what happens. 1:35:50.840 --> 1:35:53.799 Unbelievable to me that people their time listening to shows. 1:35:54.040 --> 1:35:56.400 It's not a waste of time if they're listening to 1:35:56.479 --> 1:35:57.200 our show. 1:35:57.200 --> 1:35:58.240 From three years ago. 1:35:58.520 --> 1:36:00.800 No, I don't care if it's thirty years ago. 1:36:01.200 --> 1:36:01.920 Waste of time. 1:36:02.080 --> 1:36:02.920 No, that's a good one. 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:03.000 No. 1:36:03.080 --> 1:36:05.120 And I remember when they drafted on it, we were 1:36:05.160 --> 1:36:06.680 all kind of all done. Oh yeah, I don't. I mean, 1:36:06.720 --> 1:36:08.400 if you're gonna do this job and you don't do that, 1:36:08.439 --> 1:36:11.360 then you're not doing anything. But I remember they drafted 1:36:11.400 --> 1:36:12.600 him and I, you know, and we were kind of 1:36:12.600 --> 1:36:14.200 like And then when I went back to my notes 1:36:14.200 --> 1:36:16.000 and stuff in the second I remember coming back to 1:36:16.040 --> 1:36:18.800 that show on day three, and I remember you're being 1:36:18.840 --> 1:36:21.639 angry and like, I want to be more positive about 1:36:21.680 --> 1:36:24.080 this pick, and I did. I like Jalen Polk. I 1:36:24.120 --> 1:36:26.120 thought he had good hands. I thought, you know, I 1:36:26.600 --> 1:36:29.720 didn't see the lack of speed that everybody else apparently saw. 1:36:29.880 --> 1:36:31.160 I think he does have good hands. 1:36:32.080 --> 1:36:35.200 I didn't actually think that Jalen Polk's issues were anything 1:36:35.240 --> 1:36:36.839 to do with his ability. 1:36:36.960 --> 1:36:39.400 Honestly, I think it just got proven. I mean, I 1:36:39.840 --> 1:36:42.200 don't have any idea what's going on in Jalen Polk's life, 1:36:42.240 --> 1:36:44.080 but it's not normal that a twenty four year old 1:36:44.160 --> 1:36:47.519 kid decided to retire. And by all accounts, Evans guy 1:36:47.600 --> 1:36:49.280 Nick Hundry Hill, who used to be here in New 1:36:49.280 --> 1:36:53.440 England who covers the Saints extensively, was saying how involved 1:36:53.439 --> 1:36:55.600 he was early on in the camp practices. 1:36:55.880 --> 1:36:58.000 Yeah, more than football. 1:36:58.200 --> 1:36:59.360 He also said that he's not hurt. 1:37:00.680 --> 1:37:03.120 This is something something going on and that Dad, I 1:37:03.120 --> 1:37:06.439 think is maybe something that they've gotten better at with, 1:37:06.840 --> 1:37:09.519 you know, the way that the organization is structured now. 1:37:09.560 --> 1:37:12.400 I think in twenty four, like vetting, that kind of 1:37:12.439 --> 1:37:15.840 stuff kind of slipped through the cracks, like mental toughness 1:37:15.880 --> 1:37:18.599 and what's between the years. And like I was mentioning 1:37:18.640 --> 1:37:21.840 Campbell earlier, Like Campbell could easily go into the tank 1:37:21.920 --> 1:37:23.600 because of how he played in the Super Bowl if 1:37:23.600 --> 1:37:27.160 he was mentally fragile, you know, and he doesn't seem 1:37:27.200 --> 1:37:29.240 to be doing that. But a guy like Jalen Polk 1:37:29.560 --> 1:37:32.439 doesn't get one foot in bounds on a catch in 1:37:32.479 --> 1:37:35.519 the back of the end zone and basically disappeared and 1:37:35.560 --> 1:37:38.840 retired two years later. Yeah, you know, like literally because 1:37:38.880 --> 1:37:40.400 of a heel and a toe to stark way to 1:37:40.439 --> 1:37:40.680 put it. 1:37:40.680 --> 1:37:42.559 But I think you're right, Like, if he gets his 1:37:42.560 --> 1:37:44.400 foot in bounds in that game, I'm not saying he's 1:37:44.439 --> 1:37:47.400 going to be Randy Moss, but like that play haunted 1:37:47.479 --> 1:37:49.559 him for the rest. He brought it up months later 1:37:49.800 --> 1:37:52.360 at times like it truly haunted him. 1:37:52.400 --> 1:37:54.599 Well you see the signs now, I mean you point 1:37:54.640 --> 1:37:56.800 him out, Paul, I mean the moments in the locker 1:37:56.880 --> 1:37:58.519 room where he stepped in it. You know, it said 1:37:58.560 --> 1:38:00.000 I have the greatest I think I have the great 1:38:00.040 --> 1:38:02.360 his hands in the NFL, you know, all those kind 1:38:02.439 --> 1:38:04.439 of things. But I compare it to that Na Kashan Budi, 1:38:04.479 --> 1:38:06.559 a guy who didn't get a foot in bounds but 1:38:07.600 --> 1:38:09.760 stuck with it and found a way to kind of 1:38:10.080 --> 1:38:11.280 destride and contribute. 1:38:11.680 --> 1:38:16.360 Anthony writes in about Stephen A. Smith's comments on First Take. 1:38:16.880 --> 1:38:19.120 He basically said, we have no chance to win the 1:38:19.120 --> 1:38:21.919 division and we were lucky as hell because of our schedule. 1:38:22.240 --> 1:38:24.280 I find this to be crazy as it stands where 1:38:24.320 --> 1:38:26.360 he got it way better from last year? Is he 1:38:26.439 --> 1:38:29.479 living under a rock? Am I crazy to say we 1:38:29.560 --> 1:38:31.639 have a top ten roster in the NFL? 1:38:31.720 --> 1:38:34.920 Talent wise? There's star level talent across the roster. 1:38:35.280 --> 1:38:37.160 I think you're crazy for listening to Steven A. 1:38:37.240 --> 1:38:37.559 Smith. 1:38:37.880 --> 1:38:40.080 Yeah he's you know, yeah, I mean I think the 1:38:40.160 --> 1:38:43.880 roster has improved. I think it's not crazy to call 1:38:43.920 --> 1:38:46.519 it a top ten roster. I think there was ranking 1:38:46.560 --> 1:38:50.280 that had at seven on ESPN from earlier in the show. 1:38:50.360 --> 1:38:50.680 Was that right? 1:38:50.800 --> 1:38:52.720 One of the highest rated shows that we've done in 1:38:52.760 --> 1:38:56.519 this offseason was the Salt and Pepper broadcast with Evan 1:38:56.640 --> 1:38:57.639 Lazarre and Paul Parrella. 1:38:57.680 --> 1:38:59.120 Seems like we get made fun of a lot. 1:38:59.280 --> 1:39:02.000 We talked about that that very thing. Seventh best roster, 1:39:02.120 --> 1:39:04.880 third best in the AFC according to those rankings. I 1:39:04.880 --> 1:39:08.479 don't know who compiled them, but I don't think it's 1:39:08.520 --> 1:39:09.799 crazy to suggest that. 1:39:09.960 --> 1:39:12.360 I believe that was from their analytics people. 1:39:12.800 --> 1:39:13.679 FPI stuff. 1:39:13.880 --> 1:39:22.080 Yeah, uh, David Bethlehem less end now David and Bethlehem 1:39:22.320 --> 1:39:25.519 Pop is slide of Bill Williams is a speedster, but 1:39:25.640 --> 1:39:29.760 don't see much wiggle. Hollins can get injured too. If 1:39:29.760 --> 1:39:31.280 any get hurt, Chisholm is. 1:39:31.240 --> 1:39:33.880 The best player to take the spot, more versatile than 1:39:33.920 --> 1:39:37.719 Pop Williams and Holland's opinion, Williams is not very durable. 1:39:37.760 --> 1:39:40.800 The most important ability is availability. A Ferrari with a 1:39:40.840 --> 1:39:41.920 flat is not going. 1:39:42.240 --> 1:39:45.439 So if three guys get hurt, I. 1:39:45.479 --> 1:39:47.439 Just I just like, I feel like if any one 1:39:47.479 --> 1:39:48.280 of them, I feel. 1:39:48.120 --> 1:39:53.920 Like I'm just vastly approaching, quickly approaching this to Mario 1:39:53.960 --> 1:40:00.320 Douglas like defense team, Like, what does f him do 1:40:00.400 --> 1:40:03.040 that to Mario Douglas doesn't have the versatility to do 1:40:06.040 --> 1:40:09.639 I don't I don't know. He just Saidfton Chism's more 1:40:09.960 --> 1:40:14.559 versatile than Tomarrio Douglas, So what is like Let's let's 1:40:14.600 --> 1:40:17.280 say that the best case Scenariofton Chishm turns out to 1:40:17.320 --> 1:40:21.160 be a more than serviceable NFL slot receiver. What does 1:40:21.200 --> 1:40:25.000 he do that to Mario Douglas can't he's just bigger. 1:40:25.280 --> 1:40:25.799 He's bigger. 1:40:26.160 --> 1:40:26.800 That's pretty much. 1:40:26.840 --> 1:40:27.120 That's it. 1:40:27.360 --> 1:40:30.799 Yeah, can aft Chisholm go down the field like Tomorrio 1:40:30.840 --> 1:40:35.240 Douglas did last year? So what does he like? What 1:40:35.360 --> 1:40:38.120 versatility does to Mario Douglas last I would say. 1:40:38.040 --> 1:40:42.439 Tomorrow Douglas is way more versatile. Chisholm is like he's 1:40:42.439 --> 1:40:44.439 got one thing like Douglas. 1:40:44.479 --> 1:40:47.320 He's a possession slot receiver. Yeah, and he if he 1:40:47.360 --> 1:40:49.880 turns out to be like what Everanton, I mean with 1:40:50.040 --> 1:40:52.280 Mike and Fred say, maybe he could be really good 1:40:52.280 --> 1:40:56.000 at that. But I don't see the versatility to go 1:40:56.040 --> 1:40:58.600 down the field, to make plays on different levels of 1:40:58.640 --> 1:41:01.479 the field. Like he's a kind of a power. 1:41:01.479 --> 1:41:02.479 He's a willing blocker. 1:41:03.120 --> 1:41:04.280 He is a willing bocker. He did. 1:41:05.960 --> 1:41:07.840 I think he's probably a better blocker than to Mario 1:41:07.880 --> 1:41:10.759 Douglas could ever pretend to be? Okay, you found one, 1:41:11.160 --> 1:41:13.920 like I just the versatility thing, Like I just I 1:41:13.960 --> 1:41:17.160 don't know where the Tomorrio Douglas hate came from, but 1:41:17.240 --> 1:41:19.120 it's like overnight it happened. 1:41:19.600 --> 1:41:23.200 I think that it stems from people perceiving a lot 1:41:23.240 --> 1:41:26.760 of his errors to be mental, like he's it's I 1:41:26.760 --> 1:41:30.679 remember the a VP year, them talking about like a 1:41:30.680 --> 1:41:32.639 throw that Drake missed in the middle of the field 1:41:32.720 --> 1:41:35.280 and they claim that he broke off a slant at 1:41:35.479 --> 1:41:36.920 five steps instead. 1:41:36.560 --> 1:41:37.200 Of three steps. 1:41:37.320 --> 1:41:40.880 Is a route depth issue according to the coaches, or 1:41:41.320 --> 1:41:44.439 you know, like he's supposed to sit but he breaks away, 1:41:44.640 --> 1:41:47.160 or he's supposed to he sees inside leverage and he's 1:41:47.160 --> 1:41:49.040 supposed to go out and he goes in and like that. 1:41:49.240 --> 1:41:50.080 People think that. 1:41:49.920 --> 1:41:52.160 That kind of stuff is where his game is deficient, 1:41:52.680 --> 1:41:56.960 and I maybe that's I don't see that a practice, 1:41:57.000 --> 1:41:59.120 which is the weird thing. Like today on third down 1:41:59.160 --> 1:42:01.519 and the two minutes, Oh he had Matt Bark. 1:42:01.560 --> 1:42:02.720 He looks pretty good this year. 1:42:02.800 --> 1:42:06.000 Yeah, Marcus Jones inside of him, he broke out and moved. 1:42:06.000 --> 1:42:11.639 The thick he has owned might be a strong word, 1:42:11.640 --> 1:42:14.439 but he has really controlled Marcus Jones in this camp. 1:42:15.160 --> 1:42:17.040 He has been locked up with Marcus Jones a lot, 1:42:17.080 --> 1:42:19.320 and I can't recall very many times he hasn't won. 1:42:19.640 --> 1:42:21.719 It's a really tough cover. He's got a lot of speed, 1:42:21.760 --> 1:42:22.759 he's got a lot of quickness. 1:42:23.120 --> 1:42:24.559 Is a really tough cast and if he's in the 1:42:24.640 --> 1:42:27.080 right he's got two way go inside. So he can 1:42:27.080 --> 1:42:29.639 go anywhere. He can go vertical on you too, as 1:42:29.680 --> 1:42:31.240 long as he knows where he's going. 1:42:31.800 --> 1:42:33.160 He's a really tough guy to cover. 1:42:33.200 --> 1:42:35.200 He's one of the best by the metrics, one of 1:42:35.200 --> 1:42:36.599 the best separators in football. 1:42:36.760 --> 1:42:39.759 I'll give you my theory, my Douglas theory. Why people 1:42:40.120 --> 1:42:42.920 have given up on him. Two things. One, they all 1:42:42.960 --> 1:42:45.320 miss diagnosed him. They all thought he was going to 1:42:45.360 --> 1:42:47.160 be the next one hundred catch slot guy, and that's 1:42:47.160 --> 1:42:51.000 not what he's going to be. And the second thing 1:42:51.120 --> 1:42:55.840 is the fourth down like quick screen on the all 1:42:55.840 --> 1:42:58.240 out blitz against Pittsburgh for the last play of the game. 1:42:58.560 --> 1:43:00.720 He didn't handle it well. He caught it and kind 1:43:00.720 --> 1:43:04.320 of cut back inside. It was fourth and really short. 1:43:04.320 --> 1:43:05.920 He should have just gotten up field and gotten the 1:43:05.920 --> 1:43:07.920 first down, and I think he tried to like go 1:43:07.960 --> 1:43:10.760 around a guy. He ended up getting tackled no gain. 1:43:10.920 --> 1:43:13.200 Game ends, and I think that was it. I think 1:43:13.280 --> 1:43:15.960 everybody just said this guy stinks. He's never gonna do it. 1:43:16.000 --> 1:43:20.200 He's never gonna don't know if it's like that specific example, 1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:22.760 but I think the overall point you're making of game 1:43:22.840 --> 1:43:26.559 instincts is like where I think people have concern, For example, 1:43:27.040 --> 1:43:29.439 after the catch. Sometimes he looks like a drunken sailor. 1:43:29.520 --> 1:43:31.720 Well he falls down on his own sometimes. 1:43:31.600 --> 1:43:33.240 Like he literally looks like a drunken sailor. 1:43:33.400 --> 1:43:35.559 And he's joked about it all last season and he's like, 1:43:35.600 --> 1:43:38.200 I don't know what happens one of them, he remember, 1:43:38.400 --> 1:43:40.160 he said he like whipped his head back to like 1:43:40.200 --> 1:43:42.320 look for the ball and he gave himself whiplash. 1:43:42.320 --> 1:43:45.840 I remember, liked, I remember. 1:43:45.720 --> 1:43:47.559 He's like stumbling around the next thing. 1:43:47.840 --> 1:43:51.280 Yeah, and they're just like like, mister d. 1:43:54.160 --> 1:43:57.040 I think it's like instincts, like game feel like can I. 1:43:56.960 --> 1:44:00.200 Add into that please? Josh McDaniels a second year the 1:44:00.200 --> 1:44:01.920 same system too. I mean he had Billy Oh the 1:44:01.920 --> 1:44:03.640 first year rookie trying to figure it out. Then he 1:44:03.680 --> 1:44:05.880 had AVPs off. Now he's got two years with Josh. 1:44:06.200 --> 1:44:08.479 I think, I mean, I think he's really shown like 1:44:08.560 --> 1:44:10.439 he's settled in over these last two years. 1:44:10.479 --> 1:44:13.080 I've been asked him that question today about his comfort 1:44:13.160 --> 1:44:16.479 level and option routes, and I think that's what you're 1:44:16.479 --> 1:44:18.280 talking about mind now, is that he does look a 1:44:18.280 --> 1:44:20.720 little bit more fluid and sure of. 1:44:20.720 --> 1:44:23.120 Him continuity with the system and him and I don't 1:44:23.120 --> 1:44:25.240 I got. I have high hopes for him this year. 1:44:25.280 --> 1:44:27.320 I really do. I mean, especially in a contract year 1:44:27.360 --> 1:44:28.320 like he's he's got a chance. 1:44:28.560 --> 1:44:30.559 And I'm not saying that that one hundred catch season 1:44:30.640 --> 1:44:32.840 is coming. I don't think that's the kind of player with. 1:44:33.000 --> 1:44:34.519 Your guys a downfield kind of more. 1:44:35.160 --> 1:44:38.799 Last year he was kind of a different version of Booty, 1:44:38.920 --> 1:44:41.800 Like when they called on him, he generally made the play. 1:44:42.680 --> 1:44:45.439 I just think that there's so much more there if 1:44:45.479 --> 1:44:48.320 he can develop some of the game feel and some 1:44:48.400 --> 1:44:52.320 of the IQ playing inside because of all the you know, 1:44:52.479 --> 1:44:55.479 easy money that's in there with receivers like him that 1:44:55.600 --> 1:44:57.720 I feel like he could even take another step. But 1:44:58.000 --> 1:44:59.760 I think that's what it is, and like that play 1:44:59.840 --> 1:45:01.760 my have been a good example of it, Paul, But 1:45:01.840 --> 1:45:04.320 like I think it's just overall, I don't think people 1:45:04.360 --> 1:45:07.280 think that it's there between the ears for him as 1:45:07.320 --> 1:45:09.800 like a football IQ guy. And I think some of 1:45:09.840 --> 1:45:12.120 the guys that have really excelled in that role have 1:45:12.280 --> 1:45:16.479 just been like really high football IQ players, And like 1:45:16.560 --> 1:45:20.240 you don't really necessarily think of Tomario Douglas the same 1:45:20.240 --> 1:45:24.160 way as Jacobi Myers or Edelman or Welker, who like 1:45:24.280 --> 1:45:26.360 really were like quarterbacks, you know, like they could see 1:45:26.360 --> 1:45:27.160 the field that way. 1:45:29.560 --> 1:45:32.560 Mark in from Cheddar, I want to get rid of 1:45:32.600 --> 1:45:36.599 the Mario Douglas. Great player, but horrible nickname pop. If 1:45:36.600 --> 1:45:38.479 it was diet Pop, then I'd be all four it. 1:45:38.520 --> 1:45:40.040 But that is why I have to give her. 1:45:40.120 --> 1:45:42.000 That's like after his like dead grand But that's why, 1:45:42.960 --> 1:45:44.360 that's that's why I. 1:45:44.320 --> 1:45:45.920 Have given up on him and I want to run 1:45:46.000 --> 1:45:46.559 him out of town. 1:45:46.720 --> 1:45:48.400 Thanks Mark, He's just trying to get out. 1:45:49.920 --> 1:45:52.040 And he says he still hasn't received his T shirt. 1:45:53.600 --> 1:45:56.160 Well, now you don't get one. 1:45:56.040 --> 1:45:57.800 He says, not that I have ever earned one. Just 1:45:57.800 --> 1:46:00.040 seems like the general moment not one. 1:46:00.080 --> 1:46:02.479 Have pup sign one for you talking about pomp now 1:46:02.520 --> 1:46:07.559 As Fred would say talking. 1:46:05.520 --> 1:46:10.040 About pomp now Rick and Riverside, Rhode Island. 1:46:10.880 --> 1:46:13.559 The Patriots need to either one commit to Booty as 1:46:13.560 --> 1:46:15.800 their number two or three receiver by offering him a 1:46:15.840 --> 1:46:19.160 contract extension, or two trade him to allow him to 1:46:19.200 --> 1:46:21.960 get a chance for a second NFL contract. If they 1:46:21.960 --> 1:46:24.800 go option two, then they shouldn't hold on to him 1:46:24.800 --> 1:46:27.400 thinking they're going to get a great return, and out 1:46:27.400 --> 1:46:29.880 of respect for the player who was a fifth round pick, 1:46:29.960 --> 1:46:32.280 they should take what they can get at this point. 1:46:32.280 --> 1:46:36.080 I actually think that the return could improve. And normally, 1:46:36.120 --> 1:46:40.479 I would say first because of the fact that he's 1:46:40.479 --> 1:46:43.360 in a contract year, normally that you would think it 1:46:43.400 --> 1:46:45.719 goes down. But I think at the end of training 1:46:45.760 --> 1:46:49.640 camp there's a window of opportunity there teams feel like 1:46:49.680 --> 1:46:52.639 they're short on receivers, somebody gets hurt something like that, 1:46:53.080 --> 1:46:55.320 And I also think at the trade deadline the price 1:46:55.360 --> 1:46:57.920 can be really really high for those types of moves, 1:46:57.960 --> 1:47:00.519 like Rashid shaded win for a third round pick last 1:47:00.600 --> 1:47:04.439 year at the trade deadline. I think they're like they're different, 1:47:04.520 --> 1:47:06.920 they get it done in different ways, but they're kind 1:47:06.920 --> 1:47:10.120 of similar that they're both like vertical speed threat type 1:47:10.120 --> 1:47:15.160 of guys. I kind of feel like that those like 1:47:15.320 --> 1:47:19.559 transaction windows, the price actually could improve for the Patriots 1:47:19.560 --> 1:47:22.040 if they wait, Like I think, trading him now you 1:47:22.040 --> 1:47:25.240 already know that it's the offers are pretty low. I 1:47:25.920 --> 1:47:28.720 would wait until somebody gets hurt or gets desperate or 1:47:28.760 --> 1:47:29.320 something like that. 1:47:29.400 --> 1:47:30.960 Is there any chance at all that they cut them, 1:47:31.040 --> 1:47:32.760 like just at the end of camp and they let 1:47:32.840 --> 1:47:34.439 them go because they just don't feel I mean, is 1:47:34.439 --> 1:47:35.360 there any chance of that? 1:47:35.520 --> 1:47:38.720 I think very small. I can't imagine they would do that, 1:47:39.000 --> 1:47:42.960 But I agree with Evans's philosophy. Right now, you know 1:47:43.040 --> 1:47:46.760 that you don't have a huge market, But at the 1:47:46.840 --> 1:47:49.200 end of camp, everybody sees how the dust settles and 1:47:49.240 --> 1:47:52.760 says we're lacking here, or someone that we were really 1:47:52.800 --> 1:47:54.320 hoping was going to be one of our top three 1:47:54.360 --> 1:47:56.880 receivers gets hurt and we need someone to replace them, 1:47:57.439 --> 1:47:59.320 and we got to plug somebody in, and that's the 1:47:59.360 --> 1:48:01.679 best case. Maybe instead of a you know, a sixth 1:48:01.760 --> 1:48:04.160 or a seventh or pick swap, maybe you get a 1:48:04.200 --> 1:48:07.479 fourth or something like that. Or if you wait now, 1:48:07.680 --> 1:48:12.479 I do think a lot And Booty has said this, 1:48:12.600 --> 1:48:14.200 and Vrabel has said this. There's been a lot of 1:48:14.200 --> 1:48:16.920 communication back and forth and they've talked a lot about 1:48:16.960 --> 1:48:21.920 this stuff. If he is okay sort of biding his time, 1:48:21.960 --> 1:48:25.840 I would wait as long as I could because of 1:48:26.360 --> 1:48:29.680 not only the potential to get more as you go, 1:48:29.880 --> 1:48:34.120 but insurance for you if you lose one of your 1:48:34.160 --> 1:48:36.120 guys deadline. 1:48:35.800 --> 1:48:38.559 Well, as Belichick always said, and I agree with him, 1:48:38.960 --> 1:48:42.320 sometimes with these decisions, don't make them until you have to, 1:48:42.760 --> 1:48:46.200 and time will play it out for you and make 1:48:46.240 --> 1:48:47.160 the decision for you. 1:48:47.240 --> 1:48:49.640 Yeah, if he was really, you know, kicking up a 1:48:49.680 --> 1:48:52.000 storm behind the scenes, then I would just say, we 1:48:52.120 --> 1:48:53.639 just got to get rid of him. It's not fair 1:48:53.640 --> 1:48:55.720 to him. He's just he's causing disruptions. 1:48:55.720 --> 1:48:56.120 But he's not. 1:48:56.720 --> 1:48:58.360 He's doing everything that they've asked of them. 1:48:58.400 --> 1:49:00.479 I just even look at now and it's just one team. 1:49:00.520 --> 1:49:04.400 But like San Francisco. San Francisco lost Ricky Piersoll for 1:49:04.479 --> 1:49:07.040 the year, Mike Evans has a quad injury because of 1:49:07.080 --> 1:49:08.760 the power plant obviously. 1:49:08.360 --> 1:49:11.000 But I had this whole thing with Will on the 1:49:11.040 --> 1:49:11.920 way to work the other day. 1:49:11.920 --> 1:49:12.360 I don't want to. 1:49:12.479 --> 1:49:13.000 I'm not going to. 1:49:14.240 --> 1:49:17.400 They signed Deebo Samuel back then brought him back to 1:49:17.439 --> 1:49:21.000 San Francisco. Like, it's just one team, doesn't make a market, 1:49:21.040 --> 1:49:23.320 But like if that happens with a couple more teams 1:49:23.360 --> 1:49:24.800 and all of a sudden, there might be a market 1:49:24.800 --> 1:49:25.599 for Kashan Boody. 1:49:25.760 --> 1:49:29.960 Yeah, Canadian Mike and Muggy, but not Smelly Florida. Is 1:49:30.000 --> 1:49:32.240 there anything you guys can see in training camp and 1:49:32.400 --> 1:49:36.519 or preseason that would change your record predictions positive or 1:49:36.560 --> 1:49:38.600 negative injuries aside. 1:49:38.280 --> 1:49:42.120 Preseason talking about preseason not for me now, No, I 1:49:42.200 --> 1:49:45.880 paused in my head, no, but injuries aside, so like 1:49:45.960 --> 1:49:48.000 in other words, like Josh Allen is not out for 1:49:48.040 --> 1:49:50.840 the year, like those things would change my yea. 1:49:50.920 --> 1:49:53.000 But if we're not talking about injuries. 1:49:52.720 --> 1:49:55.880 What's your I think we did this earlier, But what's 1:49:55.960 --> 1:50:01.679 now your floor ceiling for the Patriots season? Nine nine? 1:50:01.720 --> 1:50:06.439 Flooring ten twelve thirteen? 1:50:06.960 --> 1:50:08.519 Yeah, mine is nine thirteen. 1:50:09.000 --> 1:50:12.040 I think I might be double digit wins. I think 1:50:12.080 --> 1:50:13.000 it's a good football team. 1:50:14.040 --> 1:50:14.719 I think they're good. 1:50:14.760 --> 1:50:17.519 I think every day we see back and forth. I 1:50:17.560 --> 1:50:20.479 think every day we see players making plays on both 1:50:20.520 --> 1:50:24.760 sides of the ball that are not no longer like 1:50:25.520 --> 1:50:27.600 you know, first round picks that we hope develop, but 1:50:27.720 --> 1:50:31.600 are just like Christian Gonzales and guys that are really good. 1:50:32.200 --> 1:50:35.559 I think that they're a ten win team. I mean 1:50:35.600 --> 1:50:39.040 they have four free wins against the Jets and the Dolphins, 1:50:39.880 --> 1:50:42.400 so like you're already having like you know now you 1:50:42.479 --> 1:50:44.360 just need to kind of go like five hundred the 1:50:44.400 --> 1:50:47.479 rest of the way to win ten games, Like it's 1:50:47.520 --> 1:50:50.599 really not you know, when you look at it that way, 1:50:50.640 --> 1:50:51.720 it's not as hard as you think. 1:50:51.760 --> 1:50:54.160 I think overall have to be a Drake regression like 1:50:54.240 --> 1:50:56.680 last year, was just a total outlier for him and 1:50:56.880 --> 1:50:59.519 way above what he's actually gonna be. Like that to 1:50:59.560 --> 1:51:01.519 me is I think they could knock them down back 1:51:01.520 --> 1:51:02.040 into like. 1:51:02.240 --> 1:51:04.160 But he would have to be like a turnover machine. 1:51:04.240 --> 1:51:06.519 Yeah, Like if he's not making the throws down the 1:51:06.560 --> 1:51:09.439 field that he made last year, that's one thing. But 1:51:09.479 --> 1:51:12.439 like they could probably win with more conservative offense and 1:51:12.840 --> 1:51:15.920 on defense, Yeah kind of, they could probably win a 1:51:15.960 --> 1:51:17.280 handful of games just doing. 1:51:17.080 --> 1:51:18.919 That at a quarterback. 1:51:19.520 --> 1:51:22.240 Yeah, I mean I think they have a really good team, 1:51:22.240 --> 1:51:24.320 Like this is the probably the best team you know, 1:51:24.560 --> 1:51:27.880 other than like eighteen nineteen that I've seen them have, 1:51:28.640 --> 1:51:32.560 you know where, Like there's really star players everywhere. 1:51:32.800 --> 1:51:36.519 I've seen a Yeah, as it stands right now, does 1:51:36.560 --> 1:51:39.960 the schedule look as daunting now as it did when 1:51:40.000 --> 1:51:43.519 it you know early, you know, right after the season. 1:51:43.720 --> 1:51:47.120 I think it looks harder because of the travel. 1:51:47.479 --> 1:51:50.360 Yeah, I think that that's a big factor. Like the 1:51:51.040 --> 1:51:52.559 days of the week that the gate some of the 1:51:52.600 --> 1:51:54.599 games are. They have a Wednesday game, they have two 1:51:54.600 --> 1:51:58.360 Thursday night games, they have a Monday night game. They 1:51:58.400 --> 1:52:01.160 have games all over the place, and terms of travel, 1:52:01.439 --> 1:52:03.640 I think that part of it is underrated compared to 1:52:03.680 --> 1:52:05.160 the actual opponents that they're playing. 1:52:05.439 --> 1:52:07.960 And I agree with you guys that I think they've 1:52:07.960 --> 1:52:11.479 also gotten better since then. So it's probably even. 1:52:11.640 --> 1:52:12.760 In a weird sort of way. 1:52:12.880 --> 1:52:16.040 Does the travel and odd schedule kind of force you 1:52:16.120 --> 1:52:20.160 to focus more? You can't get into like that rhythm 1:52:20.160 --> 1:52:22.640 where you're kind of today's Monday today. You know, like 1:52:22.720 --> 1:52:24.800 every week is kind of a little different, so you 1:52:24.880 --> 1:52:25.559 have to focus. 1:52:25.800 --> 1:52:28.000 I don't know, we'll see. I mean, you got some 1:52:28.040 --> 1:52:29.800 young players on the team that you know. I mean, 1:52:29.880 --> 1:52:31.559 last year they did a great job dealing with the road. 1:52:31.600 --> 1:52:33.760 I mean they were a record setting road team last year. 1:52:33.960 --> 1:52:36.759 You know, they called themselves a road the World war You've. 1:52:36.600 --> 1:52:41.080 Heard I saw, but it's not a warrior sign. 1:52:41.160 --> 1:52:43.719 Today it's a really good it's a really good schedule. 1:52:43.720 --> 1:52:45.479 I mean, I'm just this is a football fan. I'm 1:52:45.479 --> 1:52:47.920 excited to watch good games and good competition, and. 1:52:47.880 --> 1:52:48.559 You know you. 1:52:52.240 --> 1:52:54.360 Are excited about it a matter of be like who 1:52:54.439 --> 1:52:57.519 we got today, Spencer Rattler, get big. 1:52:58.160 --> 1:52:59.599 He just never has a bad day. 1:53:00.240 --> 1:53:01.640 It's unbelievable, you guys, I. 1:53:01.640 --> 1:53:03.360 Don't know who thought Mike was going to be excited 1:53:03.360 --> 1:53:04.680 about this season? 1:53:04.840 --> 1:53:07.559 Is an intriguing. It's intriguing. Yeah, I mean, are you 1:53:07.640 --> 1:53:08.479 having fun, Mike? 1:53:08.600 --> 1:53:10.240 No, But you know last yeursay, I know you were 1:53:10.320 --> 1:53:11.880 sick of the fourteen one season. 1:53:12.000 --> 1:53:12.760 No, we're back. 1:53:12.760 --> 1:53:14.559 I don't want to and furnished Mike. 1:53:14.600 --> 1:53:18.120 It was twelve and four that he was, Okay, if 1:53:18.160 --> 1:53:20.439 they beat the bag out of the Jets and Dolphins, 1:53:20.439 --> 1:53:23.360 which they should, that's four and oh. Right, you realize 1:53:23.360 --> 1:53:25.320 they only have to win six other games to win 1:53:25.400 --> 1:53:27.599 ten games. Yeah, six and seven to win the other 1:53:27.760 --> 1:53:28.719 to get to ten wins. 1:53:29.040 --> 1:53:30.920 Yeah, if they go for and I know how that 1:53:31.000 --> 1:53:33.200 math works there, I agree. 1:53:33.240 --> 1:53:35.680 I mean, like when people say, oh, I think the. 1:53:35.680 --> 1:53:38.280 Dolphins games or layups, I'm not. 1:53:38.280 --> 1:53:41.160 They're not always. I'm not sure the division games should 1:53:41.320 --> 1:53:41.679 be crazy. 1:53:41.760 --> 1:53:43.439 I'm not sure that both Jets games will be like 1:53:43.479 --> 1:53:44.120 they should. 1:53:43.880 --> 1:53:46.360 Absolutely wipe the floor with both of them. 1:53:46.400 --> 1:53:52.280 Should but division games again, can be can be strange. 1:53:52.360 --> 1:53:55.360 Yeah, I'm not saying that they can't be. I'm just 1:53:55.400 --> 1:53:57.200 saying that anything. 1:53:56.840 --> 1:54:00.120 Other than where two of those games are in the 1:54:00.200 --> 1:54:02.559 last three weeks of the season. So by that point, 1:54:02.800 --> 1:54:04.280 I don't know how much those teams are going to 1:54:04.360 --> 1:54:06.360 have to play for too, right, Like what is what 1:54:06.400 --> 1:54:06.760 are those? 1:54:06.960 --> 1:54:07.200 You know? 1:54:07.760 --> 1:54:10.000 But the Broncos one interest me, Like, what is that game? 1:54:10.080 --> 1:54:11.640 Is that? Are you excited about that? 1:54:11.960 --> 1:54:12.400 Not excited? 1:54:12.439 --> 1:54:15.040 I'm very excited. Actually that's the one. I'm second most excited. 1:54:15.080 --> 1:54:18.040 He was asked which game he was most excited about 1:54:18.080 --> 1:54:20.439 this morning, he said, Bill is the Bills game. I 1:54:20.439 --> 1:54:23.000 was a little surprised about why what. I just thought, 1:54:23.479 --> 1:54:25.680 I don't know division title, I mean, this is I know, 1:54:25.760 --> 1:54:29.040 but I just you know, that's the thing the Bills fans. 1:54:29.080 --> 1:54:31.080 I heard some Bills guy like talking about the easy schedule, 1:54:31.080 --> 1:54:32.520 and I'm like, they should have had him in this 1:54:32.600 --> 1:54:34.880 game too, Like they had a freaking huge lead on 1:54:34.960 --> 1:54:37.000 him and they let him off the hook. You should 1:54:37.000 --> 1:54:39.120 have beat them both times. And then Paul's things going 1:54:39.120 --> 1:54:41.360 through my head. There's three games different between you're talking 1:54:41.360 --> 1:54:43.520 about easy. The Patriots schedule three games. 1:54:43.360 --> 1:54:45.840 But that was huge because all three of those Bills 1:54:45.840 --> 1:54:48.800 games were really hard. Well this year, that's a differ 1:54:48.880 --> 1:54:50.839 between an easy schedule and a regular schedule. 1:54:50.880 --> 1:54:53.400 This year it's not historically easy. 1:54:53.440 --> 1:54:56.160 Schedule three games is like, well, that's that's a receptable 1:54:56.320 --> 1:54:57.240 part schedule now. 1:54:57.320 --> 1:55:00.880 So I would just say, like the whole of thirteen games. 1:55:00.880 --> 1:55:03.520 I think it's easy to sit there and say six 1:55:03.600 --> 1:55:05.120 and seven. I think there's a lot of games that 1:55:05.160 --> 1:55:09.880 I could absolutely see going either way, like Minnesota, Green Bay, 1:55:10.920 --> 1:55:14.800 Chicago to be you know, like I know, but what 1:55:14.840 --> 1:55:20.480 if you're not Kansas City? You think I don't know. 1:55:18.680 --> 1:55:22.120 I was asked to give a floor. I gave a 1:55:22.160 --> 1:55:31.560 floor of nine. He's like ten and likeriulously. 1:55:28.160 --> 1:55:29.840 I realize if they win four games, they only need 1:55:29.880 --> 1:55:30.800 six more to get to ten. 1:55:31.960 --> 1:55:33.520 Math. Math is math? 1:55:33.640 --> 1:55:35.640 I mean when you put it like that to the 1:55:35.680 --> 1:55:36.800 math Parillo. 1:55:36.840 --> 1:55:40.520 I mean, wake up? How come when Fred said nine, 1:55:40.560 --> 1:55:41.520 he didn't get yelled at? 1:55:41.880 --> 1:55:45.080 I got issue? 1:55:47.840 --> 1:55:51.160 All right, Well, we got a long time before we're 1:55:51.160 --> 1:55:53.960 going to see how this actually does play out, a 1:55:54.000 --> 1:55:57.920 lot of practices in between. Then we got another show 1:55:58.000 --> 1:56:00.680 on Thursday on the table. Next week, the Colts are 1:56:00.680 --> 1:56:02.800 coming to town tomorrow. 1:56:03.440 --> 1:56:07.320 Cat after the walkthrough, after the Yeah, Barth is just 1:56:07.360 --> 1:56:10.000 like he's so busy, So you know you have to 1:56:10.000 --> 1:56:12.120 wait for Barth to be ready. So what time will 1:56:12.160 --> 1:56:14.440 you have it tomorrow? 1:56:15.560 --> 1:56:16.400 Way later than. 1:56:16.320 --> 1:56:18.040 I wanted to be, like punter Hanktock. 1:56:18.080 --> 1:56:19.840 Oh he's got to write And then he's got to 1:56:19.840 --> 1:56:22.400 do his thing with zolac and like, you know, he's 1:56:22.240 --> 1:56:23.840 he's well, listen, he's a busy guy. 1:56:23.920 --> 1:56:25.400 He's trying to make himself a career. 1:56:25.840 --> 1:56:29.280 You know, you're all set, you're cushy right now, You're 1:56:29.360 --> 1:56:30.760 you've got. 1:56:30.320 --> 1:56:33.840 You know, he's he's making his way. He's like Chisholm. 1:56:33.880 --> 1:56:37.880 Over there, Chisholm. It's got this name. Mean, I would 1:56:37.920 --> 1:56:44.960 agree with that. Why you don't think he's good? All right, 1:56:46.120 --> 1:56:51.400 I'm just kidding. We'll talk to you on Thursday. Hey, 1:56:51.440 --> 1:56:52.000 this is Duce. 1:56:52.080 --> 1:56:54.000 Thanks for tuning into the show. If you really want 1:56:54.000 --> 1:56:55.720 to help us, make sure you like us wherever you 1:56:55.760 --> 1:56:58.880 get your podcasts, like Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Also, make 1:56:58.920 --> 1:57:01.120 sure you follow us on the New Patriots YouTube channel 1:57:01.160 --> 1:57:02.800 to see this show and everything else that we do 1:57:02.880 --> 1:57:03.720 here at the Patriots. 1:57:03.840 --> 1:57:04.400 Thanks a lot,