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Speaker 1: Q and On is now the most prolific online conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theory of the twenty one century. None of their predictions

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Speaker 1: came true. Q has vanished and the storm never came,

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Speaker 1: but Q and on is still alive. I'm Jake Hanrahan

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Speaker 1: and this is Series two of Q Clearance, a podcast

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Speaker 1: shedding light on the ongoing Q and on conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 1: This is a production of Kudata Media and I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: In the last episode, we spoke about the January six

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Speaker 1: storming of the Capitol Building and how that was heavily

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Speaker 1: tied to Q and On. We heard how many Q

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Speaker 1: followers literally posted footage of themselves committing federal crimes on

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Speaker 1: social media, often even using Q and on hashtags and

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Speaker 1: mottoes such as where we go One, we Go All

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Speaker 1: and hashtag us the Plan. After it was clear that

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Speaker 1: the Capitol Building rioters were in deep shit and largely

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Speaker 1: connected to Q, major social media companies launched a sweeping

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Speaker 1: set of restrictions against anyone promoting Q and on. Specifically,

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Speaker 1: the major players were banned, deleted, and removed from platforms

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Speaker 1: such as Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Of course, these tech

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Speaker 1: giants made themselves out to be holier than thou by

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Speaker 1: doing this. But don't forget they allowed Q and on

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Speaker 1: to thrive before deciding to collectively take action. But take

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Speaker 1: action they did. Some of the largest Q and on

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Speaker 1: personalities had hundreds of thousands of followers. They lost their

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Speaker 1: accounts overnight, and so did the most vocal Q and

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Speaker 1: small following. So within the space of eight weeks, Q vanished,

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Speaker 1: posting his last drop on December eight, Trump lost the election,

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Speaker 1: and Q and ons were removed from social media. At

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Speaker 1: this point when it was absolutely clear that Qu's plan

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Speaker 1: was all a hoax. The plan was never gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Many Q and On's lost faith. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 1: in another episode, but today we're focusing on the t

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Speaker 1: and On's that didn't lose faith, the ones who doubled down.

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Speaker 1: They refused to accept the feet, and ironically, they then

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Speaker 1: found themselves in the perfect spot to take their conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theories to new levels of absolute madness. Banished from all

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Speaker 1: the mainstream social media sites, Q followers locked to the

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Speaker 1: instant messaging app Telegram. Essentially, they went underground. It's here

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Speaker 1: where Q and on has taken on a new, even

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Speaker 1: stranger form. Now, before we go into that, first, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about Telegram. You might use it yourself. I do,

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Speaker 1: most journalists have it. It's a lot like WhatsApp, but

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Speaker 1: the sales pitch amongst users is often that it's more

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Speaker 1: cryptographically secure. It's also not owned by Facebook, as WhatsApp is,

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Speaker 1: and therefore it isn't in favor of deeply on democratic

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Speaker 1: been some extremely over dramatic takes written about Telegram. Some

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Speaker 1: journalists have even claimed it's an app for the far right.

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Speaker 1: That's really not quite accurate. As I've said, Telegram is

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Speaker 1: a messaging app where you can create your own channels

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Speaker 1: or groups, which basically like chat rooms. You can add people,

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Speaker 1: people can subscribe, you can broadcast information, or you can

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Speaker 1: allow everyone to talk whatever however you want to do it,

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Speaker 1: There are many options. Telegram, for the most part, adheres

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Speaker 1: few rules. Really. Now, does that mean that neo Nazis,

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Speaker 1: And if that shocks you. All I can say is

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Internet. Telegram is not, however, only used

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Speaker 1: by the worst people in our society, those people I

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Speaker 1: authoritarian regimes and a kiss militant groups. I follow a

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Speaker 1: group of them. I've seen them on there a few times.

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Speaker 1: Journalists throughout the world, loads all over the place putting

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Speaker 1: many varying different people and facets of society are using Telegram.

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Speaker 1: Telegram is simply a tool, and as I mentioned, it's

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Speaker 1: one Q and On's when absolutely wild with and they

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Speaker 1: I don't particularly care about Telegram who runs it. I

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Speaker 1: people understand that this is just a messaging app that

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Speaker 1: was already there. The Q and Ons they migrated onto

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Speaker 1: it because you know, when they were kicked off of

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Speaker 1: I saw a few of them referring to themselves as that, which,

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Speaker 1: They needed to the somewhere, though, and they wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk to each other, talk about the plan. Keep it

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Speaker 1: moving now. I've been following a few of these channels,

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Speaker 1: and to give you an idea of what they're about,

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Speaker 1: here's some content from one that has over one and

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Speaker 1: much a standard message from this group. By the way,

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Speaker 1: it's wild, okay, so quote President Trump, Pompeo, Miller, Coms

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Speaker 1: and more popcorn emoji. Trump's statement on Afghanistan troops plus

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Speaker 1: decode follow the money zero day. The time has come

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Speaker 1: to take back our country. What is mill intel fees

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Speaker 1: a gate coming very soon to a fear near you?

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Speaker 1: Rats running timing is everything. Enjoy the show. Trump's statement

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Speaker 1: on terrorism plus decode Cuomo equals murderer, voter ideal or

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Speaker 1: will be mandated? Who fun isis HRC connected? Biden equals

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Speaker 1: cheatah what must be done first? Muslim brotherhood is not

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Speaker 1: Q one d who is the Queen of England, secret Society,

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Speaker 1: Evil Satan who follows spirit cooking represent Lynn Wood Cue

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Speaker 1: is the truth Trump, It's going to take a little

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Speaker 1: while to show pertaining to showing Pedo Biden's anti American policies.

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Speaker 1: I didn't fun help by the way, that's exactly how

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Speaker 1: it's written there. Very weird, Flynn. We need to renew

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Speaker 1: our faith in God. The truth is going to come out,

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Speaker 1: Ben Carson. We need to have strong beliefs to whether

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Speaker 1: the storm that's coming, keep the faith we will win.

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Speaker 1: End quote and breathe. As you can see, it is

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Speaker 1: absolute madness, but this does make sense to the people

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Speaker 1: in the group. Along with this message is over ten

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Speaker 1: different images and videos. The images are mostly screenshots from

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Speaker 1: various different que drops and Trump's statements. On the screenshot,

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Speaker 1: someone has tried to decode secret messages that are clearly

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Speaker 1: not there. There are arrows of different colors pointing here, there,

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Speaker 1: mess It's like Robert Langdon on meth and fair amine.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of them are still going along with this.

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Speaker 1: There are many comments on this saying yeah, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: moving ahead with the so called plan. Being on telegram

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Speaker 1: you've seen like more far right groups kind of what

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Speaker 1: there they are accelerationists in nature and they see Q

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Speaker 1: about Jewish people. Let's really try to push that point. Like,

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Speaker 1: some more information on that? Like that's kind of iopenning,

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Speaker 1: and that's I don't know. I just think that's a

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Speaker 1: is I mean not to say that the anti Semitism

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Speaker 1: It's been planned for many years. So there we have it.

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