1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Football is about the Jimmy's and Joe's, and x's and 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: o'snice write numbers. 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: Three, Jet Spielberg, I'm one far right, nast, big fly, 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: Turbo Selda fourteen diabolo, whim out a bunch, right, Robert 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: de Niro. 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: It's time to get out the chotboard and diagram some plays. Hey, 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: sure you get enough dep like twelve yard fourteen yards, 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: break on everything. This is Inside Football with former Colts 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: and NFL coach Rick Venturie. 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 2: The NFL first wave a free agency, it's behind us 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 2: and the dust has settled a little bit on movement 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: around the league, and the Colts have been active. Boy 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: have they ever been active. A lot of moves, a 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: lot of roster shuffling in the last couple of weeks. 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: Players have been traded, players have been resigned, New players 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: have been brought in, and others have left the team 17 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 2: in free agency, and we have to talk about all 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: of it. I'm Matt Taylor. Welcome everybody to a special 19 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: offseason edition of Inside Football with the rate Rick Van Turrey, 20 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: who has nearly thirty years of NFL coaching background, and 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 2: he's been following all of the Colts moves lately, he's 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: got thoughts, you know, he's got opinions, and that's what 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: we're here to highlight today. Rick, Great to be back 24 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: with you on the podcast. Great to talk to you 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: in general. How you doing today, Well. 26 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 3: I'm doing well. As you know. I'm in between knee 27 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 3: operations knee replacements, and the one that we did in 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 3: January is going really, really good. It's pain free. I 29 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: have strength and mobility and flexibility in it. And we're 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 3: gonna get the second one done two weeks from today, 31 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 3: April first, So hope hopefully by training camp you relatively 32 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: have a new man at least. 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna check your combine results and 34 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: your pro day results and they're gonna be completely different. 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: It's like a new player, different exactly. Well, it's good 36 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: to have you back. I'm glad to hear about the 37 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: good news of recovery. And we'll get that mobility back 38 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: certainly by springtime in the summertime, and Rick vent Teria 39 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: will be back at training camp breaking it all down. 40 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: By the way, just as an FYI, if you're out 41 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: there listening, we are going to talk with Rick closer 42 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: to the draft and get his thoughts on some of 43 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: the positions and some of the prospects the Colts could 44 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 2: be targeting coming up in late April. But today we're 45 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: breaking everything down from a free agency standpoint, all the 46 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: Colts moves and you know what they have done, and 47 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: players that have left the team. So we have a 48 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 2: lot to cover today. So let's start in chronological order. 49 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: I guess from last week, Rick, and talk about the 50 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: big stuff here. So as you know, as soon as 51 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: the legal negotiating windows started, the Colts agree to terms 52 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: with Alec Pierce, So let's start there before we get 53 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: into Daniel Jones and some of the other moves and 54 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 2: the dominoes that have followed after those big contracts. But 55 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 2: Pierce is back. He's averaged more than twenty yards per 56 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: catch him back to back seasons, making him one of 57 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 2: the few weapons that can provide the explosive play regardless 58 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 2: of defense, regardless of coverage. So let's start there. What 59 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: was your level of happy surprise that Pierce signed with 60 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: the Colts so early on in free agency, especially Rick, 61 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: since you know that deal was finalized before the Colts 62 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: got a deal done with Daniel Jones, and also the 63 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: week before last when Pierce was saying, Hey, I'm gonna 64 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 2: dip my toes a little bit into the free agency 65 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 2: waters and see what else is out there. He quickly 66 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: re signed with the Colts, saying this is where he 67 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: wanted to be all along, as long as everything made 68 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: sense to come back. 69 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we looked at a lot of different scenarios, 70 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: the franchise tag, the you know, the other tag. We 71 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: looked at various ways that we were going to go. 72 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, I think Chris did a 73 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: heck of a job on this, you know, for a 74 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: little bit more money, not a ton more money, but 75 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: he got guys that he knows he's going to have 76 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: for a while, certainly Pierce on a four year deal, 77 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: Danny on a two year deal, and just just to 78 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: re fleck before I go to Piers specifically. You know, 79 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 3: I've done a lot of research and looking back on 80 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: why we were eight and two and why we were 81 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: zero to seven at the end. And when you look 82 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: at the eight and two, I mean, we had a 83 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: lot of things going for us. Our defense gave up volumes, 84 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: but they they were in the top ten in terms 85 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: of points giving up. They took the ball away in 86 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: the top ten. Those were solid things. Warren came in 87 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 3: gave us, you know, some juice, you know, but three guys, 88 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 3: the three amigos, that made the huge difference because our offense, 89 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 3: you know, after ten games, was number one in the league, 90 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: averaging nearly thirty points a game, you know, and it 91 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: was based around three guys. It was based around Jones, 92 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: Pierce and JT. And all those things are interchangeable and 93 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 3: like dominoes, and Pierce is a guy that you know, 94 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 3: I really love. I think Pierce, and I've said this 95 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: many times, and I'm four and a half decades now 96 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 3: either coaching or covering this game, and he probably has 97 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: improved as much as any player that I've been around 98 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: in that period of time. I mean, you know, he 99 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 3: came into the league as a guy with vertical speed 100 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: and if he got behind you and you got him 101 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: the ball, it was a big play, you know, not 102 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 3: a lot after that, kind of a one trick pony. 103 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 3: But then in year two. By year two he really 104 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: improved and he became a terrific fifty to fifty ball guy, 105 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 3: a jump ball guy. You can throw him it, he'll 106 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: come back and get it. He'll go up and get it, 107 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: you know. And then I think this year he really 108 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 3: improved the routtree, the underneath stuff, the over stuff, you know, 109 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: the comeback stuff, things that are in the second level 110 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 3: of the defense. And so you've got a young player 111 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 3: who's already achieved a ton but he's but he's a 112 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: you know, he but he's has a ton of upside 113 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 3: because he's going to get better. And I think, you know, 114 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: do I think he's necessarily Chase or Jefferson or Smith 115 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: and Geeba maybe not, But he's invaluable to us. Here's 116 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: the role he plays for us. One. He can take 117 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 3: the roof off the defense. I mean he can stretch it. 118 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 3: He stretches it with he stretches it with depth, and 119 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 3: he's run by the best corners in the league. It's 120 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 3: not like this is a fluke. The one thing that 121 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 3: I love about yards per catch, one thing I really 122 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 3: judge the receiver on yards per catch is because I 123 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 3: think that validates that you don't need the scheme to 124 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 3: get open yards for catches an indication of one of 125 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: two things. Either you can beat the defense over the 126 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: top or you can catch and run, you know. And 127 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 3: he's led the league in that department. He's led the 128 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: league in yards for catch two years in a row. 129 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: I mean, that's really fantastic. And if you look at 130 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 3: one of the reasons that we went downhill to one 131 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 3: of the reasons that we went oh and seven, obviously 132 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 3: the injury to Danny eliminated the ability to push the 133 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: ball downfield. So in a sense, we not only lost 134 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: our quarterback, but we kind of really we minimized the 135 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: Pierce effect. And then what did that do? That absolutely 136 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 3: stuffed our running game. I mean in the seven losses, 137 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: you know, we go from averaging thirty points a game 138 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: in the first ten down to only going over twenty 139 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 3: once in the back seven and a lot of that 140 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: was not one hundred yard game to Jonathan Taylor. Now, 141 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: obviously one of the reasons for that is that people now, 142 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: without having to worry about peers, without having to worry 143 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: about a mobile quarterback, they could just jam the lanes 144 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: and that's what they did, you know, and it became 145 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 3: really a disaster for us from an offensive standpoint. We 146 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: went from you know, thirty points a game to not 147 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: even necessarily getting twenty. And so that's why I think, 148 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: you know, when you when you throw those three amigos 149 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 3: in there. They all are so important to one another. 150 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, without a deep throw, without that guy 151 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: that can go get it, that guy that can get 152 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 3: it to him, then you take the best player on 153 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: your team and you you minimize his results. So yeah, yeah, 154 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: I was thrilled to death with Pierce, and I think 155 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: Pierce is only going to get better. I think, like 156 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: I said, I think there's a lot of upside yet, 157 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 3: and if the improvement quotion continues as it is, then 158 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: you're gonna see I think a lot more volume catching. 159 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: Well that's let's pick up there, because he does now 160 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: based on the contract, and you know, Michael Pittman Junior 161 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: no longer being a team, which we'll talk about. But 162 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: you know, that's a perfect segue because last year, you know, 163 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: Pierce had eighty four targets. That was a career high, 164 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: but that's still ranked fourth on the Colts roster last 165 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 2: season in terms of targets and that volume that you're 166 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: talking about, So what is your confidence level that Pierce 167 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: can take on this new role? He can be both, 168 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: he can be both the high volume receiver but also 169 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: the big play receiver simultaneously. Next year for the Colts 170 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: and a guy that does so much, like you said, 171 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: to help take the top off the defense. It allows 172 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: those big plays to happen for the Colts, but it 173 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: helps the running game with Jonathan Taylor as well. To 174 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: do all of that, that's a lot on Pierce's plate. 175 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, and I think there's only so much you 176 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: can expect. I think the volume will improve. I think 177 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: he'll catch more passes because he'll be featured more. But 178 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: the thing with the thing you got to remember with 179 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 3: Pierce is what he does when you play him on 180 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: the outside, and that's primarily where he lines up. He'll 181 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: line up inside some, but primarily he's your outside the 182 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 3: numbers guy, and when he's outside the umber, what that 183 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 3: does is really stretch the defense deep and widen those safeties, 184 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 3: keeping them away from the box. And so I don't 185 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: ever see him being a hundred catch guy. I mean, 186 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: we're going to have to make up for Pittman collectively 187 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 3: in terms of volume. But I see him improving, there's 188 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: no question about it. He'll get more throws because he'll 189 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: be involved and he'll be featured more. But I don't 190 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: really because of his great ability to stretch the defense, 191 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: I don't think you're going to see him inside too much, 192 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: all right. 193 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: So, shortly after the news of Pierce in terms of 194 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: resigning with the team, there were reports out there. They 195 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 2: started to kind of trickle out. It felt like just 196 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: fifteen minutes after the Pierce news was released. I don't 197 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: know what the real time was, but shortly thereafter Michael 198 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: Pittman junior reports started the surface that he was traded 199 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: to the Steelers that ultimately came to fruition later in 200 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: the week last week, What did that decision for the Colts, Rick, 201 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: how did that sort of boil down to you in 202 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 2: your eyes? 203 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: Well, I think it just comes down to value and 204 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 3: the dollars. You know, you just you started this discussion out. 205 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 3: You know, this is an unprecedented year. I mean, we 206 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 3: paid two guys and legitimate, legitimately paid two guys about 207 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: eighty million dollars, okay, And so you know, with the 208 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 3: hard salary cap, with the finances of the way they are, 209 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: there is gonna be casualties and you know, this is unprecedented. 210 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 3: Also in the exits of guys that we consider core 211 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: starters on defense, on offense, up and down the line. 212 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: And you know, one of the most productive guys from 213 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: a volume standpoint, obviously is Michael Pittman. You can't not 214 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 3: like Michael Pittman. I mean, Mike, Mike Pittman has given 215 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 3: everything he has to this operation. You know, he's tough, 216 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 3: he does dirty work for you. He's a high volume catcher, 217 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: but you can't pay him like a number one because 218 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 3: the thing that Michael doesn't do, I mean, the reality 219 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: of it is is he's high volume, but very few 220 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 3: yards per catch. There's not a creativity there. He's not 221 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: a guy that gets great separation and so in some 222 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: ways he's schemed dependent and that affects how much you 223 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: pay a guy. You know, in twenty four he was 224 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 3: number eighty, he was eighty second in yards for catch. 225 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: This year in twenty five he didn't crack the top 226 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 3: one hundred in terms of yards for catch. So again, 227 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 3: there's gonna be casualties. Would you love to have everybody? 228 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: Would you love to have Pivot, Absolutely, because there's just 229 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 3: you know, there's a toughness about him and a team guy. 230 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 3: But in reality, that's just life. You know, that's doing 231 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 3: business in the NFL today, you can't pay You can't 232 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 3: pay Piers twenty seven million and then come back with 233 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 3: a low yards for catch guy and pay him equally. 234 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: And staying with that before we move on elsewhere. I 235 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: think that's what we need to sort of hit on 236 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: or double back two, because you know, from a big picture, 237 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: since before we talk about Daniel Jones in terms of 238 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: what he brings to the Colts, let's talk about what 239 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: he means from a salary cap standpoint. So you look 240 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: at the situation the Colts are in. They have to 241 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: pay big money to their starting quarterback, you know, arguably 242 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: two years before they really wanted to, right because had 243 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson developed into the team's franchise quarterback this year, 244 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: he'd be playing this year on the last year of 245 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: his rookie deal, and then next year hypothetically he could 246 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: be playing on a team option. So that's just it. 247 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: I mean, having to pay Daniel Jones as a b 248 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: on a big quarterback salary this year, it's got a 249 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 2: ripple effect on the rest of the roster, and by 250 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 2: trading Richardson, which the Colts will reportedly do, it means 251 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: they don't have a top five draft pick from twenty 252 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 2: twenty three anywhere else on their roster. That's I realize 253 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: most people know that, but that's a big storyline as 254 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: to how we got here. From a financial standpoint. 255 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it. I mean, you know, when 256 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 3: you with U for whatever reason, on the number four 257 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: and the fourth tick in the draft, and that's a quarterback, uh, 258 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: and you have really very little to nothing to show 259 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 3: for it. And if you if you do move him, 260 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 3: then you have nothing. Obviously, that's that has long terms 261 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: effect because if you hit, which you should hit on 262 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: a lottery guy, if you hit on that quarterback, then 263 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: you got him on rookie contract for four to five years, 264 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: and you then can spend all kinds of money around him. 265 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: I mean, you wouldn't even a quarterback, wouldn't even be 266 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: a thought. And so now you know. And I was 267 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 3: all for it, and I don't second guess it at all. 268 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 3: But when you add that to the to the fact 269 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: that we made the trade for Sauce and basically gave 270 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 3: up two number ones, and again I'm not I'm not 271 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: criticizing that. I think that still will pay off. But 272 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 3: at the same time, it doesn't give us trade, it 273 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: doesn't give us draft capital to get a quarterback. Doesn't 274 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 3: really give us trade capital to get a quarterback. So 275 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: in many respects, you really have no choice but to 276 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: get Jones. I mean, really, and Jones is the first 277 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: guy to come in here and be a game effector. 278 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 3: You know, you hear me talk about core and role players, 279 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 3: and then you hear me talk about game effectors impact 280 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 3: guys that top ten guys on the roster. You know, 281 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: I've always felt that the fifty three man roster, it's 282 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: pretty equal along the line. But you win and you 283 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: lose with that top ten guys, and those are guys 284 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: that have to make a difference. Pierce makes a difference. 285 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: We just talked about it. Danny made a huge difference. 286 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: It's the first time, you know, since Andrew that we've 287 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 3: had really a quarterback who was a game effector. And 288 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: in that respect, we really Achilles. Notwithstanding, we really didn't 289 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: have the choice but to go up and get them, 290 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: you know, and to go from thirty seven, which would 291 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: have been that the cap number on the on the 292 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 3: tag to forty four is not overwhelming, and you're betting 293 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: on the fact that he plays like he did in 294 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 3: the eight and two and then if he does, you know, 295 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: that second year, you'd be looking at sixty. So you know, 296 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 3: that's the way that money escalates. So in a sense, 297 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: you really didn't have to. You really didn't have any 298 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: choice because you know, Danny came in here and made 299 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 3: the difference. I mean we had everybody else, we had 300 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: every Warren came in. Don't get me wrong, Warren is 301 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: a very good player and made a difference. But overall, 302 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: the team was the same, and the team just exploded 303 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: offensively with Danny Jones at quarterback because and remember this, 304 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: he is the perfect match for Stike and Stikeen needs 305 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: a certain kind of guy to be to be successful. 306 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: He really needs a guy who's really cerebral on the 307 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: pre snap and on the post snap, a guy that's 308 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: really accurate. And then the thing that Danny proved to us, 309 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: you know that I think we knew you and I knew, 310 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 3: but I don't think the public knew. He's a really 311 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 3: good athlete. I mean, he can get out of trouble, 312 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 3: he can move. Now he may be limited for a 313 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: while on that part of the game. Obviously, it's problematic 314 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: coming off of offen Achilles, But again, that was the 315 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: way we go, because that was the way we had 316 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: to go. 317 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: Really well, Jones says he wants to be healthy or 318 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: his goal is to be healthy full go for the 319 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 2: regular season, as you said, recovering from that torn achilles 320 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 2: suffered in Week fourteen back in December of last year. 321 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: But let me ask you this rick to piggyback off 322 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: of just how you close that? I mean, how close 323 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: to one hundred percent does Jones have to be at 324 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: the beginning of the season in order for this offense 325 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 2: to at least have a chance to duplicate the dynamic ability, 326 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: the efficiency they displayed in the first two and a 327 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: half months of the season last year, when Jones and 328 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: everybody else on the offense was healthy. 329 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 3: Well, I think I think you can approach it. I'm 330 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 3: not sure you can get there early totally, because Danny's 331 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 3: legs had a lot to do with that. Danny was 332 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I thought Shane did a great 333 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 3: job with him. I mean they came out, we were 334 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 3: running bootlegs and movement plays, you know, movement passes, getting 335 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: him on the perimeter. And then even though even though 336 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: he wasn't running wild when he had to escape on 337 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: a third down, he moved the chains. I think, you know, 338 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: early the way I look at it. If you get 339 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 3: him for opening Day, he's going to add a tremendous 340 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 3: amount to you just from the first two things I 341 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 3: talk about. First of all, his leadership and his cerebralness, 342 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 3: and his ability to throw with great accuracy. And he 343 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 3: proved to us which was a question of mine, he 344 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 3: wasn't afraid to push the ball down field, particularly to Pierce. Now, 345 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: he may not in the beginning be as mobile coming 346 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 3: off that Achilles as he was, you know, obviously early 347 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 3: in the season last year, but I think two thirds 348 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 3: of that still will give us a chance to be 349 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 3: pretty salty offensively. 350 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's talk now about where the rest 351 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: of the roster is after the first week or so 352 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: with that first wave of free agency. So the Colts 353 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: have lost several players in the offseason, either in trades 354 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: or free agency. Several players from last year's team. We 355 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: know about Zire Franklin, Michael Pittman Junior. Those guys were traded. 356 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 2: Defensive inquity pay signs with the Raiders, Samson Ebacom with 357 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 2: the Falcons, Brayden Smith with the Texans, Neville Gallimore with 358 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 2: the Bears. Nick Cross inks the deal with the Commanders, 359 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 2: Rodney Thomas has signed with Seattle, and then just a 360 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: couple of days ago, Danny Penter leaves the team for 361 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens. So you know, from a big picture standpoint, Rick, 362 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: the Colts have backed up their words from the end 363 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 2: of the season when they said that Jones and Pierce 364 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: they're going to be their biggest priorities in the free 365 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: in free agency, so they get those deals done. Those 366 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: two players are back, but they're getting paid much higher 367 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: figures from the Colts than they were last year. And 368 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: you know, we always say you and I because I 369 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 2: know we're very much in lockstep about this. We see 370 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 2: the game the same way. But you got to have 371 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: premium players playing premium positions to be successful in the NFL. 372 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: So you know, with that of mind, the Colts have 373 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: spent big to hold on to their foundational players while 374 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: making you know, astute decisions elsewhere to let other relatively 375 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 2: expensive veterans walk and attempt to fill some of those 376 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 2: spots with up and coming young players and mid tier 377 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: free agents, which we'll talk more about in just a moment, 378 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 2: but I do want to give you time to talk 379 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 2: about just Rick, You've been in this game now for 380 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 2: forty plus years covering it as a coach on the sidelines. 381 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: How do you balance Jones and Pierce coming back versus 382 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: all that the Colts have lost in the last couple 383 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: of weeks from year's team. 384 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think it goes back, you know, to 385 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 3: that top ten guys that I keep talking about. You know, 386 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 3: you take Jones and you take Pierce off this team, 387 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you got Jonathan Taylor can gain 388 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 3: the yard I mean, And so basically, if you take 389 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: those two guys off the team, you go from a 390 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 3: scoring thirty points a game to twenty points a game. 391 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 3: So you can't you just cannot let game changers, game effectors. 392 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 3: You can't let those guys walk, and you're gonna have 393 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 3: casualties now just offensively. You know, we we didn't. We 394 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 3: haven't made a lot of moves. We still have the draft, uh, 395 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 3: but you know we did lose also, Braiden Smith. I mean, 396 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 3: the amazing thing is how many guys that have exited 397 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 3: that have been starters and guys that we've kind of 398 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 3: known very well. We're gonna we're gonna need a program 399 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 3: for a while here. When when we change oil with 400 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 3: so many guys, and you know when Braiden's been a 401 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: solid guy here, but you know what you're looking for 402 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 3: is Travis to step up there. And then you know, 403 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 3: on defense again, and I think one of the things 404 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: that people forget because we you know, we tend to 405 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 3: dwell on the quarterback and the offensive failures of the 406 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 3: last seven weeks, but I think, you know, a critical 407 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 3: thing was not being able to finish games with our defense, 408 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 3: I mean our defense. And at first that first, you know, 409 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 3: first ten weeks gave up volumes, but they kept the 410 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 3: point total down and they turned the ball over. And 411 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 3: then in the last seven weeks, you know, we just 412 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: fell off the cliff. I mean, by the time the 413 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: season was over, we were in the bottom third both 414 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 3: on total defense and in scoring defense. I mean, we 415 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 3: just fell off the table. And the two things that 416 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 3: killed us to me was being thirty first in the 417 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: league in past I mean, we just we had holes everywhere. 418 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: And then the worst part of the worst thing of 419 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 3: all was being twenty fourth in the league in fourth down, 420 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: because this is the league, not fourth down, fourth quarter. 421 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 3: This is the league about the last six minutes of 422 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 3: the game. And it was if our defense could have 423 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 3: just closed out a couple of games there in that 424 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 3: end of the season. Everything would have been different. I 425 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 3: mean the classic and you and I lifted the classic 426 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 3: was the Seattle Seahawks on the road. You know, you 427 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 3: got them beat. You kicked a sixty yard field goal 428 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 3: with a minute to go and the four plays they 429 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 3: win the game because we can't close it. So you know, 430 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 3: and so when you talk about losing those defensive guys 431 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 3: is as much as and I think some of them 432 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 3: are very very solid players. They're solid their core guys. 433 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 3: They're not game effectors. And we have gone out. We'll 434 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 3: get into that. We brought a lot of guys in 435 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 3: to replace those guys. I still think we have a 436 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 3: couple of holes that we have to Biel will get 437 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 3: into that, but I mean, you know, when you when 438 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: you lose those guys. No, none of those guys that 439 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 3: we're losing on defense have really impacted the game. They 440 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 3: really haven't. And I think that the worst guy to 441 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 3: me to lose is Cross. I think Cross was the 442 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 3: guy whose career was going upward. And I think you'll 443 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 3: see it continue to grow now we've gone out and 444 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 3: got a couple of safeties. But you know, time will 445 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: tell on that. But in terms of the other guys, 446 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 3: I think we've got replacements in the guys that we've 447 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 3: gone out. We've gone out and gotten u you know, 448 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 3: some safety depth. We've gotten a lot of defensive line depth, 449 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: and uh, you know in that regard. So, I mean, 450 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 3: you know, it's a lot like changing oils. And when 451 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 3: you're when you're talking about core players core for core, 452 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 3: you know, it's not like the oils. Changing makes you 453 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: any better, but it prevents you from getting worse. And 454 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 3: I think that really the impact really will come from 455 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 3: guys that were here that got hurt. The impact players 456 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 3: on our defense are obviously Buckner. I mean, Buckner's loss 457 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 3: was a killer, and then the two corners that we've 458 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 3: invested in, Ward and Sauce. Really those those three guys, 459 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: and I think you can add Grover to that as 460 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 3: terms of run. I mean, those are the guys if 461 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 3: they come back, they will be the impact players, you know. 462 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 3: And then you know, some of the guys that you've 463 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: brought in, you know, you know, for instance, like Tillery 464 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 3: and Noddy and Clemens. You know, those guys are role players, 465 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 3: but they may be upgrade good those guys, I think 466 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 3: are upgrades in terms of backup defensive line. Now, what 467 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 3: I think is really important is who plays the defensive 468 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 3: end away from Latu And you know, just to pause 469 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 3: for a second, Latt's got to become an impact player. 470 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 3: I mean, we drafted him to be that. He flashed, 471 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 3: but it's time for him to drop him and be 472 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 3: the guy. It's time for him to be that guy. 473 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 3: And then on the other side, I see I see 474 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 3: probably J. T. Timoloa and Key alternating, with Timoloa playing 475 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: more on first down and Key on third down passing situations. 476 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 3: He has ability. He's never all he's never really lived 477 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: up to them, but he does have juice off the edge. 478 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 3: So you know, a lot of that, A lot of 479 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 3: that is transition. It's again, it's like changing oil. It's yeah, 480 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's one guy for another. But the 481 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 3: critical guys are really the I mean, the game changers 482 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 3: are the guys that were here, Buckner, Sauce and Ward 483 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 3: if you want to know the truth. 484 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 2: All right, A lot to unpack there. Because you mentioned 485 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 2: Nick Cross. You also talked about defensive ends. So let's 486 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: take those sort of one at a time. So Cross 487 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: leaves the team, signs with the Commanders. It was pretty 488 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: clear that he was going to command a pretty healthy 489 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: contract in the off season. So the Colts have signed 490 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 2: free agent safeties Jonathan Owens and one Yay Thomas. Owens 491 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 2: has spent seven years in the NFL, mostly a special 492 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: teams player, the last couple of years for the Bears, 493 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: and then Thomas just wrapped up his rookie contract. Played 494 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: his first four years with the Cowboys. Last year, played 495 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: in only seven games after a season ended early due 496 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 2: to a nerve issue that was giving him really bad 497 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 2: migraine headaches. The Colts also have Hunter Wohler coming back 498 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: for a sophomore season, if you will, but he's coming 499 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: off of Liz frank injury in his foot that goes 500 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 2: all the way back to training camp in the preseason 501 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: of last year. So Cross gone, Colts now looks like Rick. 502 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 2: They're going to have a pretty healthy, wide open competition 503 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: at strong safety, it appears starting in the spring. Where 504 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 2: are you with the Colts' strong safety spot after Cross 505 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: leaves the team in free agency? 506 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that may be the toughest position to 507 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 3: fill because I just think Cross was really merging as 508 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 3: a really complete player. Uh, with tremendous ability, ability to cover, 509 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 3: ability to hit. I'm not sure what we have Woller. 510 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 3: We really liked in training camp before he got hurt. 511 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 3: You know, we thought that he was, you know, one 512 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 3: of the real bright spots UH. In training camp, we 513 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 3: thought that he would not only play his way on, 514 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 3: but he would have some specialized like dime stuff, extra 515 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 3: safety stuff. So we'll have to see how he comes 516 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 3: out of it. You know, Owens is basically a guy 517 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 3: that's been around, solid back up and UH and then 518 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 3: the new Thomas Uh is a guy that does have skill, 519 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 3: just just not played that much. So you know, I 520 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 3: will be concerned. I'll be watching that one really quick. 521 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: And that's something also that we'll talk about this later. 522 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 3: But that's another position that you'll have your eyes on 523 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 3: in the draft as well. Yeah, So you know, I 524 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 3: think there's there's no question about that in terms of 525 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 3: the of that position. 526 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: All Right, Defensive line, a lot of changes here this 527 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 2: month so far. We mentioned Quitty pay, Samson Ebacom, they 528 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: signed elsewhere. Defensive tackle Neville Gallimore has signed with the Bears. 529 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: Let's just talk about defensive end here. The Colts have 530 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: signed x Titan edge rusher arden Key and former Jets 531 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: defensive end Michael Clemens. Those two players now team up 532 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: with Latsu Latu and JT Tuamolowaw. The Colts were also 533 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: in the mix, reportedly in the mix to sign Trey 534 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 2: Hendrickson that didn't come to fruition. He ultimately signs with 535 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: the Ravens. As we know, so Rick that the biggest 536 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: knock on the Colts pass rush last year was it 537 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: was just too quiet down the stretch. It was also 538 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 2: just too inconsistent outside of the Forrest Buckner. So have 539 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 2: the Colts upgraded there in your opinions so far in 540 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: the offseason. 541 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I don't know that we have. I 542 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 3: think we you know, we've changed oile in terms of 543 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: if you know where I think we've improved it. I 544 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 3: do think that we've improved it from a backup standpoint. 545 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 3: I think particularly on the interior, and that's been more 546 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 3: of a problem than people think. You know, the minute 547 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 3: that either Buckner or Big Grove went out of the game, 548 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 3: we have never played very well for two years. We 549 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 3: really haven't. Again, we talked about it's time for law 550 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 3: too to show what they wanted him to show. He 551 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 3: hasn't really impacted the game. He's splashed the game now 552 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 3: on the other side the way I see that, and 553 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 3: you know, because Quitty is a solid guy, good run player, 554 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: never was the sack guy we hoped he was for 555 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 3: where he was drafted, just wasn't more mechanical physical. So 556 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 3: what I see is a combination of Timoloa okay, and 557 00:30:54,320 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 3: Key at that end opposite law to now. Timoloa is 558 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 3: a good run player. I think he will give you 559 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 3: the same kind of play that Pay gave you. Okay, 560 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 3: solid run guy, solid rusher, not an impact guy. Hey, 561 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 3: if you use him mostly in passing situations, he has 562 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 3: edge rusher ability. Now, he's never reached the height step 563 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: people thought he would because he came out of college, 564 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 3: high draft pick, you know, with a lot of tools. 565 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 3: Just hasn't found it. But I think if you use 566 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 3: him in conjunction with JT over there at the at 567 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 3: that left at that left end, at that power end, 568 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 3: hopefully you will get what what Quid he gave us, 569 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 3: and maybe a little more. I don't know. I mean, 570 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 3: that's that's the question. Getting Buckner back, hopefully getting a 571 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: lot too to step up, and then getting corners that 572 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 3: can stuff you. 573 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: So with that, Rick, how much urgency do the Colts 574 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: need to have at defensive end? You got the draft 575 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 2: coming up, but they don't have a first round pick. 576 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: The first wave of free agency is over. Or does 577 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: that matter considering you'd be asking almost too much out 578 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: of a rookie defensive end who's not drafted in the 579 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: top fifteen to come in and produce at a level 580 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 2: that's unrealistic for the Colts in terms of what they 581 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 2: may need out of their pass rush for next season. 582 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 3: You know, I mean I think that I think the 583 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 3: edge is deep in looking at it, you know, looking 584 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 3: at the draft. At the edge, I mean, I think 585 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 3: it's possible. I think it's improbable at that spot to 586 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 3: get a guy that's going to come in and totally 587 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 3: dominate the game. I think that's improbable. But I think this, 588 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 3: you know, we didn't talk about this position, but I think, 589 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 3: you know, the position in terms of draft that we 590 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 3: have to make sure that we're okay at is the 591 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 3: is the off the ball linebacker. I mean, I know, 592 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 3: I know Zaire has come under a lot of criticism, 593 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 3: but at the same time, he's played a lot of 594 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 3: football in there, you know, with leadership skills, and so 595 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 3: you know, I'm not so sure that our first priority 596 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 3: in the draft shouldn't be off the ball linebacker. And 597 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 3: that's a position that you can get with that pick 598 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 3: because you know, linebackers, like running back was for a while. 599 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 3: Running back has changed again, but for a while, linebacker 600 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 3: is not a high priority position. And so there's a 601 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 3: few there's a handful of guys of which you know 602 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 3: you may in your position be able to get and 603 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 3: I think that's something we got to keep our eyes on. 604 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 3: And then I think the position that you keep your 605 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 3: eyes on because somebody that you love may and their 606 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 3: deep positions I think, as you said, are the edge, 607 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 3: and I think wide receiver, you know, because I think 608 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 3: now you know, I like doing a lot. I want 609 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 3: to see doing you know me, I was asking for 610 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 3: him last year. I wanted him in there because every 611 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 3: time we've asked him to do something, he does it. 612 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 3: But I also think the wide receiver position is very deep, 613 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 3: and that's another position, particularly losing a guy like Pittman, 614 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 3: that you you know that you've got to keep your 615 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 3: eye on, along with safety, safety and linebackers. Sometimes those 616 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 3: guys will fall through the cracks guys that will fall 617 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 3: into that second round, like Leonard, some of those guys 618 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 3: over the years, because they're they're just low priority positions 619 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 3: in the draft. Everybody wants you know, offensive left tackles, quarterbacks, 620 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 3: you know, and and defensive rush guys. I mean that's 621 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 3: so those guys fall through the cracks. And then I 622 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 3: think now by losing Braidon, even though I have a 623 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 3: lot of faith in Travis, I think, you know, and 624 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 3: now we lost Tender, I mean we didn't need some 625 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 3: offensive line depth as well. I mean Chris, Chris really 626 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 3: has done a good job in the offensive lineman. I 627 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 3: mean when you look at BORLINI now he struggles a 628 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 3: little bit with big, strong guys, and Gonzalez a little 629 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 3: bit with speed, and now Travis at right to I mean, 630 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 3: he's done a pretty good job of you know, drafting 631 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 3: those guys in a second and third day that have 632 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 3: turned out to be a pretty good alignment. So I 633 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 3: got a feeling that he will be able to do that. 634 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 3: But somewhere in that draft, you're gonna have to get 635 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 3: some O line depth though. 636 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 2: All right, inside football, with Rick Venturrey closing out last 637 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 2: couple of things, Rick, we've talked about the guys who 638 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 2: have left and how they replace some of those players, 639 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 2: and you know what it means to have your top 640 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 2: end guys at those premium positions, and Jones and Pierce 641 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: returned to the roster. But now that the first wave 642 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 2: of free agency is over, I want to talk to 643 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 2: you close out here about strengths and weaknesses. What are 644 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 2: your biggest areas of strength for the Colts as the 645 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: team is put together right now going into the draft. 646 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 3: Well, going into the draft now, obviously I like that 647 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 3: we've gotten our top three guys and if you put 648 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 3: Warren in their number four, we have four weapons on offense. 649 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 3: And I think, and I also so think that our 650 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 3: slot back is very good player, you know, a guy 651 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 3: that we can get a lot more out of in 652 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 3: in that sense. Defensively, our strength is still gonna be 653 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 3: and and and hopefully he can come back full metal 654 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 3: jacket is still gonna be Grover, and it's gonna be Buckner. 655 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 3: That's that's gonna be. That's our strength. I think we've 656 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 3: gotten defensive line depth. Now, I don't know that we've 657 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 3: gotten any more impact other than getting Buckner back, and 658 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 3: we keep hoping for a lot too, And then it 659 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 3: looks to me like, if they all stay healthy, we're 660 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 3: gonna have a really good cornerback room, really good cornerback room, 661 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 3: because you know, we're gonna get Sauce, We're gonna get Ward, 662 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 3: We're gonna get Wally Back. Remember how good he played. 663 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 3: We just went out and got Taylor Bread. I mean, 664 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 3: we we've got We've got a lot of guys now 665 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 3: because other guys to play last year. So I think 666 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 3: we have really good corner depth, really good defensive tackle position. 667 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 3: So what it really comes down to is you really 668 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 3: need however you get it. You got to have some 669 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,879 Speaker 3: edge impact and we got to replace those linebackers inside. 670 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 2: No doubt about it. Great stuff as always, that is 671 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 2: the legendary Rick Venturi bringing it per usual, incredibly informative. 672 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 2: It's fun, but it is factual based and it is 673 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 2: rooted in film study. Give us the latest on your rehab, Rick, 674 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 2: You talk about a couple weeks are going back under 675 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 2: the knife for round two with that second knee. What's 676 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 2: been the toughest part about rehabbing that knee in the 677 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 2: winter months here? 678 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'll be honest with you. That fort 679 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 3: over there and doctor morn. They just you know, and 680 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 3: all most of the coast doctors are workout of Fortee, 681 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 3: all the orthopedic guys, and they've been wonderful. That place 682 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 3: has been wonderful. I can't stand enough about it. And 683 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 3: I would have to say that my right knee, which 684 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 3: was awful, they said it was a disaster. It was 685 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 3: the tibia and fibula had moved halfway over. So but 686 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,720 Speaker 3: to be honest with you, the first couple of weeks, 687 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 3: first couple of weeks are very very difficult, traumatic because 688 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 3: it's a traumatic surgery. And then the rehab you have 689 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 3: to do it. I mean, the knee is not going 690 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 3: to repair itself, particularly the range of motion, so you're constantly, 691 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 3: you know, in and out of rehab sessions. But I 692 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 3: will say this, and it'll be ten weeks tomorrow. I 693 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 3: couldn't be happier. I mean, I'm pain free in that 694 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 3: right leg. It's almost hard to believe because you've been 695 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 3: with me. It's been four years of just nursing and 696 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 3: a long and struggling and stuff like that, and it's 697 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 3: pain free, very strong. I do the work religiously because 698 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 3: you have to do it strengthening, so you know, We're 699 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 3: going to go in for the second one, and my goodness, 700 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 3: if that one gives me as much success as the 701 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 3: first one, I'll be a real happy man, because, like 702 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 3: I said, you did you know, I got to where 703 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 3: in last spring it really hit me. It just got 704 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 3: to where the pain was all the time, and you know, 705 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 3: I was getting so limited. I mean, you see me 706 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 3: try to cook the steps in our booth. That was 707 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 3: an adventure. So yeah, like I said, I'm just thrilled 708 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 3: to death with the first one. It does I will 709 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 3: say this, the need part of it is really good. 710 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 3: It does take a little out of your system. I feel, 711 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 3: you know, I'm still not back quite at full strength yet, 712 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,760 Speaker 3: but you know, and I'll tell you know, I'll regress 713 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 3: a little bit in April, but we'll see. But like 714 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 3: I said, just to be pain free, yeah, and uh 715 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 3: and and to be able to kind of walk normal, 716 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 3: that's that's amazing. 717 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 2: We just need relief and that's what you're getting. 718 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 3: Rick. Fincerry. 719 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 2: Can't wait to see you in action soon in the spring. 720 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 2: And keep that phone on, Rick, because when the Colts 721 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 2: have breaking news, we're gonna give you a buzz. So 722 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 2: we appreciate you staying on top of everything even though 723 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 2: you're going through your rehab personally. 724 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 3: All right, Matt, great talking to you. 725 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 2: No doubt about it. All Right, we'll get back together 726 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 2: with Rick Van Turrey closer to the draft. We'll do 727 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 2: it again breaking down some prospects and possible positions of 728 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 2: need for the Indianapolis Colts. But that's everything you need 729 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 2: to know on the Colts and free agency. Inside Football 730 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 2: with Rick Van Turrey is back and that'll do it 731 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 2: for this edition of Inside Football. As always for the 732 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 2: latest moves on the Colts and more breakdown, make sure 733 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 2: you're subscribed and locked into the Colts podcast channel and 734 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,879 Speaker 2: hit the refresh button often on colts dot com when 735 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 2: there's breaking news as free agency wages on for Rick 736 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 2: Van Turrey. I'm Matt Taylor. Thanks again for listening Inside 737 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 2: Football here on the Colts Podcast channel.