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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special quarantine edition. We got a

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Speaker 1: told no about it. I want to smoke. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to a special quarantine edition of all the Smoke. I'm

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Speaker 1: coming to you from l A my brother Jackson, Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: What's up, bro, my brother. Good to see you. Man.

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Speaker 1: How you holding up? I know them boys taying things

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Speaker 1: you say that? Because out here, our governor it's saying,

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Speaker 1: Steve Nash, Steve welcome. Thanks for having me. Boys, that

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Speaker 1: was everything. We were talking a little bit offline. You said,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Ruby is a beautiful name. Who I like Ruby,

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Speaker 1: Congratulations again on your Hall of Fame induction in two

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Speaker 1: I I'd done having the chance to play against Jordan's

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00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 1: you know. Um. And and so to get more from

427
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: from Mike. He doesn't owe anybody anything but to get

428
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: more of him, for him to, you know, to make

429
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: the speech at Kobe's service, for him to do the film,

430
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 1: for him to you know, just be a little bit

431
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: more opening. He's probably, like you said, relaxed. Uh, you know,

432
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: it's amazing for us. Um, you know, it's it's a

433
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 1: different time, right, like this might be it. We may

434
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 1: not get anything else out of him, but that's why

435
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: this is so special and we just gotta like, we

436
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: just got to enjoy it. What are your thoughts on

437
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame class? We were just speaking on

438
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: Kobe briefly, Uh, adding KG and Tim Duncan to that

439
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 1: summer saying that's arguably the greatest Hall of Fame class

440
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 1: ever to be inducted. What are your thoughts on that?

441
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 1: Hard to be that that trio, Um, you know, honesus incredible,

442
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 1: happy for all those guys, obviously. Uh, you know, it's

443
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: it's important for everyone to see Kobe go in and

444
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 1: kind of have that moment um to recognize what he

445
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: brought to the game, what he meant to the game.

446
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he was a great player, obviously,

447
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,719
Speaker 1: but he touched a nerve with people around the world,

448
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: and I think we saw that when he passed. Um.

449
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: You know, it was incredible how just his name as

450
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 1: presidents meant so much as so many people in so

451
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: many places that maybe you wouldn't expect it to be

452
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: so strong. UM, So I think, you know, I mean, look,

453
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: those guys are all incredible, incredible all time grades. Um,

454
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: but it is also special. I think too that they

455
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 1: that they can go in with Kobe, Kobe can go

456
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: in with them, um and be recognized just for the

457
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: impact as much as as the accolades. You know, it's

458
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: it's something I think we all need to see. So

459
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 1: it's it's it's an incredible class and hopefully we get

460
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: to do it right, especially in this crazy time where

461
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: it's not gonna probably be your your you know, your

462
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: normal scenario. Hopefully we get some time to things can

463
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: get back to normal and we can honor that class.

464
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: The way they deserve to be honored. Very true. Taking

465
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: it back to your early days. Born in South Africa,

466
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: moved to Canada at a young age, came from a

467
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: predominantly soccer family, didn't start basketball to a twelve or

468
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: third team. What do you remember when you you know

469
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: where did that spark for basketball and wanted you to

470
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: pick up your first basketball start? Yeah, I mean there's

471
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: two things. Barely one was social. I went to where

472
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,959
Speaker 1: I grew up in Canada. Junior high was grades eight, nine, ten.

473
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Speaker 1: High school is a grade eleven and twelve, So I

474
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: went to the eighth grade. Um had played a little

475
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: bit of basketball, and all the kind of jocks at

476
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: my new school all played basketball. They're all basketball players.

477
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: That was the number one sports. So I quickly wanted

478
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: to be with guys that were playing whatever you're playing.

479
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to be on the playground plane. And so

480
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: all these guys were playing basketball, and we became, you know,

481
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: best friends, played back. You know, I'm just got totally

482
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 1: obsessed with the game. And it was exactly the like

483
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: it was right around the time that the Air Jordan

484
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: once came out and and Mike kind of burst onto

485
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: the scene and was like it was just like you know,

486
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: he was like a whole language and to himself just

487
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: watching him, you know, like it it was just such

488
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: an elevated performance. Um. And it was right around the

489
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: time that the you know, the air Jordan's came out

490
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: and he was doing commercials with Spike Lee. So it

491
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: was super like cool time to get to get into basketball.

492
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: I mean, now we have so much media around the game.

493
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: Back then, like a commercial was like, you know, seeing

494
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: an incredible like commercial with personalities like Mike and Spike.

495
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: You know that it was like going to the movie

496
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: theater almost like if you were lucky to catch the commercial,

497
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: you know, like you'd take you'd take teames and you

498
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: would rewind to watch the commercial ten times, you know. Um,

499
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: So that that that was definitely something that that got

500
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: me into the got me excited about the game. But

501
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: really it was social. I was still playing soccer and

502
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: hockey and baseball and all these sports. But you know,

503
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: and I saw eighth grade thirteen, these guys playing all

504
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: the time, loving the game. I have friends to play

505
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: with before school, lunchtime, after school, and um, I just

506
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: took it from there and never stopped and just got

507
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: more and more sucked in and obsessed with the game.

508
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: And UH, and I love playing it, you know, played

509
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: it a long long time. Senior year, you put up

510
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: some numbers nearly twenty one points, eleven assists, nine rebounds.

511
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: Who are you still in rebounds from? Uh? Lead your

512
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: team to the championship and was named player of the Year.

513
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: What was the competitive nature of high school high school

514
00:25:54,240 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: basketball in UM Canada back then? Yeah, well it was, well,

515
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: I think our year, our class was a good year.

516
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: There was some good teams, good players, like you know,

517
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: guys that could play, like a lot of guys that

518
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: could play some level of college basketball. But it was

519
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't you know where I grew up.

520
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't always like the most as far as the

521
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: highest level, UM, but there was always good players. There

522
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: was always a good culture. There was always a lot

523
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: of interest around high school basketball. UM. It was probably

524
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: the most popular high school sport by far, because you know, soccer, hockey,

525
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: all those sports were playing at the club level. So

526
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: for high school super it was it was it was fun, exciting.

527
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: The provincial championships up there men a lot um you know,

528
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: I was, I was lucky, I had I had an

529
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: incredible coach, you know, he was he played college basketball

530
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: in Canada, was you know, really as good at mine

531
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: for the game as anyone I've ever played for. Uh,

532
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: he was. He was extremely prepared in detailed so I

533
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: got a glimpse of what I was going to see

534
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: from college and pro coaches in high school. A sense

535
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: where like little things, little details at both ends of

536
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: the floor, whether it's individually with your footwork or whether

537
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: it's collectively with rotations or timing and all those things. So,

538
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, I got to play for an incredible coach, um,

539
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: and I've unfortunate that respect. I got to play for

540
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: a lot of great coaches. But that I think, you know,

541
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: gave me an education that allowed me to continue to

542
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: adapt while I was still physically kind of growing into

543
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, my best level where I could compete because

544
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: I wasn't like a lot you know, I never was

545
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: a live wire, but I wasn't like this kid who

546
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: going right away, Oh yeah, I could see him playing

547
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: in the league. You know, I think people were like, right,

548
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: too slow, too short, too weak. So I had to

549
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,479
Speaker 1: get myself up to like an acceptable level in all

550
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: those categories. But in the meantime. You know, I had

551
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: a good skill level, and I had a good understanding

552
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: and education of how to to play the game, and

553
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: so that allowed me, I think I need it at all,

554
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: Like I I didn't, you know, I didn't have the

555
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: you know, the fortune to say, well, just out you know,

556
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: out athlete, people jump over people, be faster than people.

557
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: You know, I had to I had to like shoot

558
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: it well enough, playmate, be smart, be a great teammate,

559
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: and know the game and and somehow I just kept

560
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: like finding a way to get to the next level.

561
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: And that that all started in high school with my

562
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: high school coach. You forgot craftiness, crafty Blanco, go ahead.

563
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: You kind of talked about it earlier, but being recruited

564
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: by one school, you know, going to going to Santa Clair.

565
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: Tell me some members about Santa Clair and being accrued

566
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: about one school. Yeah, I mean for me, it was

567
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: like it was exciting just to have a scholarship offer.

568
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: You know, Um, that was like my ticket. You know,

569
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to play in the NBA. Uh And I

570
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: know at the time it probably seemed improbable, but I

571
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: could kind of see a clear path. I could see that,

572
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, my skill level could get there, and if

573
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: I could athletically catch up a little bit. Um, you know,

574
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: with my work ethic, I knew that I would put

575
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: the time in and if I was improving at this rate,

576
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, in in two years, four years, six years,

577
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: there's no reason why I couldn't kind of rate, you know,

578
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: rain some of these other players in. And and that's

579
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: kind of the way I went around about it. And Um,

580
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: Santa Clara was, you know, an incredible squad, a great

581
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: coach again, really tough, which you know, he was hard

582
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: on me, especially when I first got there, and I'll

583
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: say it was the greatest thing that ever happened to me.

584
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I I mean he had me

585
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: thinking about quitting, you know, and that going through that

586
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: experience like made everything after that. You know, it's easy

587
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: to overcome adversity. And and so I thank him. He

588
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: gave me mental toughness, as you guys know, like great

589
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: players in the NBA all have mental toughness, the ability

590
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: to overcome and to face obstacles and challenges. And that's

591
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: that's more than anything. That's what I got at Santa Clara.

592
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: And now the experience was great too, great teammates still

593
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: friends with a lot of with all my teammates, um,

594
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: and so it was a special experience in that respect.

595
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: But as a basketball player I learned a lot from

596
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: the coach and Prime Prime early. I learned mental toughness

597
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: and ability to just not give in, not fall, not

598
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, take your foot off the gas, no matter

599
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: how dark it got. Some days you led them to

600
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: the tournament, Um, the n C Double a tournament. But

601
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: during the height of your college career, who were some

602
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: of the guys possibly in the pros or other college

603
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: guys that you emulated or studied or or try to

604
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, take a little bit of their game and

605
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: added to yours. Yeah, so I grew. I mean my

606
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: hero growing up was Isaiah Thomas from as far as

607
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: who I wanted to emulate. Um, you know, he had,

608
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: he had everything, but he wasn't jumping over people. So

609
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, there's somebody that I can try

610
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: to emulate. Like he was quick, um, but like other

611
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: than that, he used his skill level, his creativity, his

612
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: competitive nature, like the fight in him was incredible, um lutch.

613
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: He was a dog. And so those are things that

614
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I can try to emulate that.

615
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: You know, MJ was my hero. There's there's nothing other

616
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: than maybe his footwork I was going to emulate from,

617
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, MJ. So so Isaiah was the guy that

618
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: I really tried to emulate. Um, you know, my my

619
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: freshman year of college. J Kid was a freshman too,

620
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: so you know, he came out after a sophomore year.

621
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: We played against each other in college, both in the

622
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: Bay Area. So I always, you know, strive to learn

623
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: from him and also try to, you know, put myself

624
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: and get to that level one day. Um so that

625
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: you know. But I was the type of guy that

626
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: I would try to take something from everybody. You know.

627
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 1: I would try to watch, you know, somebody do something

628
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: and and see how that could translate to my game

629
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: and how could I incorporate that, and and it might

630
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: come from the strangest places, but I was always watching,

631
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: always always learning from guys, watching them play, always trying

632
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: to incorporate what they did on the floor, and and

633
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: make myself grow and put more tools in my toolbox

634
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 1: that I could solve more problems so I could be

635
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: a bigger contributor to my team and just continue to

636
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: push the button there between your junior seening year you

637
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: played on the Canadian national team. You had a cat's

638
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: work out with Gary Payton and Jason Kid. What was

639
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: that like and what did they teach you? Yeah? Uh,

640
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: you know I worked out with with Gary and Brian

641
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: Shaw in Gary's backyard with Gurg. But he said, in

642
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: the backyard, so that's back in the day. That's like

643
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: you last on the outside of the on the submit court.

644
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: The who I love it. I mean Greg putting us

645
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: through drills out there. Um, I mean Gary must have

646
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: already been an All star. Brian you know, played a

647
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: long time in the league. Playing one on one doing

648
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: drills with Gurg. It was like it was incredible. You

649
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: know those guys Jason too, like they worked out at

650
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: other times together and you know they they were supportive,

651
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, which is important. But you could also see

652
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: the competitive nature of the fire the like once you

653
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: step on the court, everything meant something. You know, like

654
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: there was no like I'll give him this one. You know,

655
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: it was like funk that and so yeah exactly so

656
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: so um I love that. I love like trying to

657
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: trying to creep up to compete with them, um and

658
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: to get that access, you know, nowadays, I think I

659
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: feel like there's so much access, whether it's you know,

660
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: high school player getting to meet pros, getting to know

661
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: everything they've ever done, um in the gym, Like well,

662
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, back then, there wasn't that same access because

663
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: the social media YouTube, Instagram, you didn't really know what

664
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: guys did right or what they were like so um,

665
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: and it's changed in a sense like now and nowadays,

666
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: everyone really drills drills, drill skill development. You know, back

667
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: then there was a lot more like one on one

668
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: like pickup basketball, like competing, like learning through I'm gonna

669
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: play one on Yeah, we're gonna play one on one,

670
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: and if you beat me, I have to figure out

671
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: a way to beat you. Like what is it is?

672
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: The angles? I take the footwork? How do I create space?

673
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: Like you learned it by trial and error and by

674
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: necessity in a sense, whereas nowadays it's like the books

675
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: have all been written in a sense, like you know,

676
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: there's so many people out there just teaching the game.

677
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: But there's which is great, but there's something lost in that,

678
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: like really like competing, and I think that you know,

679
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: you can do all the drills in the world. Um,

680
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: you can learn all the footwork and everything, which is important,

681
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: but um, there's something built on battling, you know, and

682
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: playing and losing and winning and picking yourself up and

683
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: like you know, nowadays, it's just it's a different generation.

684
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: I don't want to make this a slight because it's

685
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: nobody's fault, um, but sometimes you know, there isn't enough

686
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: of that, like where guys are like you know, in

687
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: the gym, I'm gonna put myself on the line against

688
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: this guy. Now it's like, well there's phones everywhere, Like

689
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I want to like play one on

690
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: one with so and so and have it be on

691
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: the ground the Graham in five minutes. Um. So it's

692
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: a different it's a different it's I mean, that's just

693
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: one small Anectope. It's a different time. But I learned

694
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: a lot from from Gary Jason, and uh it just

695
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: felt good to kind of in a set find feel

696
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: a little acceptance because I was one scholarship kid in

697
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: a mid major trying to make a name for himself.

698
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: And uh, it was great experience. And I think you

699
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: hit on it too. I think obviously now that because

700
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: this is no slight to knock everyone is too. But

701
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: that the talent and skill level athleticism is incredible right now,

702
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: but I kind of think that some of them lack

703
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: the the i Q and some heart when it comes

704
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: to actually, like you said, going one on one outside,

705
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: it was a war. There was no buddy buddy, There

706
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: was no cell phones. There was no pictures that would

707
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: we would fight like there used to be some real

708
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: ship that would help you get and stuff that we

709
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: would take from our teenage years to the NBA. And

710
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: I think you, like I said, there's no knock. It's

711
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: just a different generation. But obviously times were different with that.

712
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: When did you feel like, Okay, I'm gonna be a pro?

713
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: What what You're in college and high school? Like, when

714
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: did it really click to in your mind like Okay,

715
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: I could do this ship for a real living. That's

716
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: a good question, I think, you know, being and like

717
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: an underdog, I always had that underdog mentality. So I

718
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: never really like counted my chickens, you know. So I

719
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: had a great junior year. There was some talk about

720
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: should I leave, you know, it wasn't It was much

721
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: less common in those days, especially for you know, a

722
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: Canadian kid at a mid major like well we have

723
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, like we need to see more of him

724
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: kind of things. So I stayed. But I think like

725
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: I started to realize. I think I played in the

726
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: World Championships after my sophomore year and had and started

727
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: for Canada. I must have been years old and had

728
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: a good tournament. There was a lot of NBA scouts there,

729
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: and then that kind of started the buzz to where

730
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this really could happen. And then

731
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: had a good junior year, thought about coming out, didn't

732
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: and then had maybe not quite as good as senior year,

733
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: just you know, dynamics of the team, were facing a

734
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: lot of attention from the other teams, but still had

735
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: a great year. Went in the first round. Somewhere between

736
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: like the summer after my sophomore year, UM and and

737
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: being drafted. You know that it was building, you know,

738
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: I was building it. But again when I got to

739
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 1: the league and when I was the first round pick,

740
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: you have a three year guaranteed, like there's some security there.

741
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: I still came in the league as an underdog, like

742
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: I have to prove myself every day, Like there's no like,

743
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: there's no I've made it, you know, there's no like um,

744
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, I belong. I mean, there was no entitlement.

745
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: It was like I I felt like I had the

746
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,479
Speaker 1: appropriate fear that I have to prove this every day

747
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: where I could be out, you know, I could be out.

748
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: So it's just it's just different, you know, at different times,

749
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, like back then, you're a rookie,

750
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: you got treated like a rookie. You know, you got

751
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: treated by a teammate, and they just made a big

752
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: trade though, Big Dyce, McLeod all them. It just came

753
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: back right when you got there at some point I

754
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: can't remember they were there. Uh yeah, I think that

755
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: was right. You're right my rookie year, right, because that

756
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: was the reason why they had one draft pick with

757
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: me the next year, because they made those trades to

758
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: get those guys right, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean

759
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: it was and it was yeah going now. And to

760
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: keep it realized, like to touch on what you're saying,

761
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: a spade is a spade. You're a small, little white

762
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: dude playing against g P J Kid all these guards

763
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: like we're not gonna you know, we're gonna bust this

764
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: white dude's ass. And that's how I mean that talk

765
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: is still prevalent until today. So I can only imagine

766
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: back then, like you know, you're coming from a mid

767
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: major trying to make your name, but you're nice. But

768
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: like you know, I could only pitch are GP saying

769
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let this white dude bust my ass,

770
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Every every single night you

771
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: were going to war with solidified Hall of Fame point guards.

772
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: You know, back then it wasn't so much about social

773
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: media and all that, but you didn't want your friends

774
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: back home to know that this little white boy just

775
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: turns you off, right, So there was a little extray sometimes,

776
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: but you know that makes you, That makes you tougher, right,

777
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: it makes you more consolutely I'm saying that's part of

778
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: that grind, makes you, you know, just thicker skin and

779
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: and to be able to survive, because it is it's

780
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: a in the NBA like there's you know, a big

781
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: part of his just survival, right like, because if you're

782
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: if you're not if you're not ready to play, you

783
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: can get embarrassed. If you get embarrassed too many times,

784
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: you're gone, right, Um, So you know, maybe it is

785
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: a little different now. The players, now, you're right, they're

786
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: so athletics so they're but they're a little more specialists,

787
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: you know. They Um made a sense. It's just a

788
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: differently grow up with differently and they're amazing. I love it.

789
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: But it was a different time and you you definitely

790
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: just had to you had to really earn your stripes

791
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: with your teammates, you know, the referees around the league. Uh,

792
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: you do today, you do today. This is not like

793
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: I love this generation, So this is doesn't just giving

794
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: you a picture of both um. But back then, it

795
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: was like, I mean I remember after every practice, like

796
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: a C. Green was one of my vets and he

797
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: just like kick every ball all over the gym, the

798
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: stadium wherever we were, and were like go go get

799
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: them rook and you know all that type of stuff.

800
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: So it's just a different era and uh, and I

801
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: loved it. I was. It was great to look back

802
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: on all those memories, especially now that that's a bygone era.

803
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: It's crazy, man, Like I don't feel old, but like

804
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: it's a bygone era. You know. We had we had

805
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: John Morant on last week and he was talking to

806
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: us about music and he called jay Z old school

807
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: and me and Jack kind of looked at himself like

808
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: fuck yeah, I mean he is you know what I mean,

809
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: These kids are these kids are one years old, like

810
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: he's old school, and it's just like, damn, that went

811
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: by fast. You know. We speak to like we used

812
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: to come in and there used to be a pecking

813
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: order no matter how good you were, because there was vets,

814
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So to be talented, lottery

815
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: pick whatever, to crack that lineup, it was different. We don't,

816
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: no matter how good you were, someone on your team

817
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: or that was gonna have a problem with you trying

818
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: to crack that lineup. But it also, like you said,

819
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: it made us tougher, made us stronger. And then you

820
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: had those vests that would put your arm around you

821
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: and and and school you, you know what I mean,

822
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: keep you from making the same mistakes. And I really

823
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: don't see that anymore from a standpoint of just the

824
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: league is so young, so your your your VET is

825
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: a couple of years older than you now, which is crazy. Yeah,

826
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean the way the salary cap is to you know,

827
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: like a vet minimum for a guy who's played twelve

828
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: years over a talented um, you know, explosive kid that

829
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: you want to take a chance on, financially, like you know,

830
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: it's it's much more manageable with the cap and all

831
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: that stuff. So the model doesn't really support you know,

832
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: vets in that respect anymore. Um, you know, there's there's

833
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: there's very few like Jared Dudley's around anymore, whereas like

834
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: there was there was a there was two or three

835
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: on every team when I came into every team. You know, Um,

836
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, the vets kind of yeah, the model and

837
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: it was the model of the salary capital, all that

838
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: stuff supported that, and now it doesn't. It's not not

839
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: for better for worse. You know, I think it's a

840
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: shame that we don't have room for both. But um,

841
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, that was definitely a benefit in respect of

842
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: having vets that could show you the ropes, that could

843
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: you know, teach you, share with you, keep you in line,

844
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: and that was you know that that's gotta be a

845
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: little bit more difficult for young players today because every

846
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: team has got like four or five year olds. The

847
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: draft legendary Alan Iverson went one, Canby went to Sharif

848
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: abdul Rahim three, Marbury four, Ray Allen five, Antoine Walker six,

849
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: Carrie Kittle's eight, Kobe thirteen pages fourteen, you land fifteen.

850
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: What do you remember about that draft? And got I

851
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: mean how talented that class was. I mean it was

852
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: one of the best times in my life, you know,

853
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: actually getting drafted and kind of like like I talked

854
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: about the Hall of Fame putting a bow on it. Uh,

855
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: it's like the draft kind of justified all the hours,

856
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, like getting drafted in the first round. Like really,

857
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's the reward. Was that moment of like, okay,

858
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: all that time, all that energy and hustle and all

859
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: the tough days, the days you didn't want to do it,

860
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, this is the reward. And so it was

861
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: a special, special time. And then you know, at the time,

862
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: m I knew it was a talented draft for sure,

863
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: but you don't know in context like where everyone's gonna

864
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,959
Speaker 1: go on, what kind of careers are gonna havena happen.

865
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: You have no idea, so like there was no way

866
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: you could have predicted it, but um, but you but

867
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: I knew there was a lot of personalities, there was

868
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: a lot of talent and uh, and looking back, it's

869
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: it's incredible to see the careers that so many of

870
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: my classmates had first time around in Phoenix. Who who

871
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: were some of your bets. Yeah, my vets were like

872
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: Rex Chapman, Danny Manny, Yeah yeah, sat next to Rex

873
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: on the plane. Hilarious. Uh, taught me a lot, still

874
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: friends to this day. Danny Manny was a great, fat,

875
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: unbelievable player, like and he'd already done as a c L.

876
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: Back then, it wasn't as it wasn't like a c

877
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: L s now where you come back because Danny was

878
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 1: like a six ten point forward. It was really quick.

879
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: He lost a little much game. He has no and

880
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: when he tore his a c L like today, you

881
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: come back fully, maybe even better. Sometimes it wasn't it

882
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: wasn't like that, and so you know, he lost a

883
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: little bit of quickness and I think a lot of

884
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: like mobility durability in that knee. But he could play

885
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,479
Speaker 1: so smart six ten, could post, could point play the point,

886
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: could pass, red react cut, you know. So I learned

887
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: a lot from those vets. Kevin Johnson, hot Rod, you know,

888
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: hot Rod, Williams Rest in peace, Wayamon Tisdale rest in peace.

889
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: You know guys that were just you know, good pros,

890
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: uh supportive. Taught me a lot, and so you know,

891
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: I was. I was fortunate. You know, I came in

892
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: behind Kevin. We traded for Jason, kids like Jason and Kevin,

893
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: so I also got to play behind two great, great

894
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: point guards. Um and and I learned a tremendous amount

895
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: from those guys. Donnie Nelson was in the office in Phoenix.

896
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: He moved to Dallas and they trade for you the season.

897
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: What was that light going over there? And and and

898
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: with with the young Dirk and Mark Cuban as an owner. Yeah,

899
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean at first I want I didn't want to,

900
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, go. I love Phoenix, you know, Uh, Jack

901
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: will tell you it's great down there. You know, Phoenix beautiful. Yeah,

902
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: it was in a great city. The organization, Jerry was unbelievable. Um,

903
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, it just felt great. It felt like home.

904
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: And my second year with Jason and Kevin, I still

905
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: got like twenty plus it's a game. Danny Ainge was

906
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: crazy enough to play all three of us together, and

907
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: and that was That was a great moment in my career.

908
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: Playing with Jason and Kevin and still being able to

909
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: push myself in a twenty two minutes a game or whatever.

910
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: My second year was a great accomplishment for me. And

911
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: was proving that I was continuing on the right path.

912
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: So then for it to be kind of over and

913
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: in respect um after that season was disappointing. But uh,

914
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: Dallas one of the worst teams in the league. I

915
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: got traded there on draft Day when Dirk got drafted

916
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: by the Maths, and we played in the old Reunion Arena,

917
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: and you know, it just it wasn't in the same

918
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: place that that Phoenix was at the time, so it

919
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: was it was in a sense, it was like step down.

920
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: And then we had the lockout that year. I remember

921
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: I was playing a pickup game like a week before

922
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: training camp, and I got knocked out of the air

923
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: going to the basket and landed on my back. And

924
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 1: I struggled the whole year, and that's when I realized

925
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: I had back problems that season. You know that I

926
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: that I congenital and had a long time, But that's

927
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: when I really that they've presented themselves and became a problem.

928
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: So I struggled the first lockout year, struggled a little

929
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: bit the second year, and then you know, DRK and

930
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: I think turned a corner Mark Cuban about the team,

931
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: and the Mavericks became one of the places to be,

932
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: so to speak. So got ourselves to the conference finals. Jack,

933
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: you and that team were you, uh San Antonio Dallas

934
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: Conference finals lost? Yeah. Um remember Stevie Kerr came in

935
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: and hit like four or five threes in the fourth

936
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: quarter of the clincher. Um. Anyways, So playing from Mark

937
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: was incredible. Um. You know it wasn't all you know,

938
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: like market could you know in some ways get under

939
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: your skin at times. But he was such a pioneering

940
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: person for the game, like pushing the envelope on everything,

941
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: the rules, you know, the way we went about things,

942
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: referee marketing, like so many ways. He tried to everything

943
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: that that that we did in the league, and so

944
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: it was incredible to watch him. He's a kind of

945
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: a force of nature in that respect, and so to

946
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: be there from the start with him was it was

947
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: exciting and that was a very influential time in my career.

948
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: I don't have the team and scoring that game by

949
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: the way, Oh would you drive? How many had Okay

950
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: in the clinching game game six? Yeah, I think people

951
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: forget I was just saying, I think people forget Jack.

952
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: You would like the second you're like the second best

953
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 1: player on the team. People forget like I don't talk.

954
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't talk much. But see when we have guests

955
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: like the m VPS like you, and Hall of Fame

956
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: is like you, that's all I need. I don't talk

957
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: much because people I got, I got over shadowed by

958
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: the four three Steve here, but if they look at

959
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: quarters one, two and three, I had Tim on lock.

960
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: Tim couldn't get a bucket and I had to say this,

961
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: man Gino, actually man g nobally say this. Yeah, I mean,

962
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: you guys obviously had a great team and a stuff,

963
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: but I think sometimes you're a little run There might

964
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: be a little underappreciate it. We recognize that. Take us

965
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: back a little bit to to the development, uh developing

966
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: a friendship with Dirk and his growth and when you

967
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: guys kind of felt like you guys were clicking in

968
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: your chemistry started hitting and you like, holy shit, this

969
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: motherfucker's gonna be a problem. Yeah, I mean you can

970
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: see right away. We I mean, first of all, he

971
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: said you can see right away. I mean you can

972
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: see the kid was talented. I mean just the way

973
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: the ball left his hand and the way it fell

974
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: through the who right like hecause a seven. Guy shoots

975
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: the ball way up in the air and it comes down.

976
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: It comes from down in the it comes down like

977
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: not a swish, like a swish on the bottom of

978
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: the net, you know what I mean, like it touches

979
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: the net. You know, you're like this this there's some

980
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's something going on here with this kid.

981
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: And he was people I think, especially like nowadays in

982
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: social media, you think you see Dirk is like this

983
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: guy with his ankles basically locked, can't move. But he

984
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: was super mobile. Back in the day. He wasn't explosive,

985
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: but he was mobile, you know, seven feet he could

986
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: really move, put the ball down on the floor, spin,

987
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: run the court, you know, catching and make plays off

988
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: the dribble. You know. So you could see he had

989
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: all these things athleticism in that way. Um, when we

990
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: came in though, I mean we were one of the

991
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: worst teams in the league. He was Dirk was really

992
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: going through a lot of culture shock, like he was

993
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: playing second division in Germany or maybe maybe they just

994
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: got to the first division, you know which back then

995
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: especially was a far cry from the league. He's nineteen

996
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: years old. You know, he was a mama's boy. And

997
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: here we are in Dallas. Um, I'm struggling, he's struggling.

998
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: And so the good news was that we came in

999
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: the same day together. He isn't even gonna come and

1000
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: play that lockout year. We convinced him to come back

1001
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: and play. So we kind of in a sense, had

1002
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: each other to lean on to, to push each other,

1003
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: to play one on one horse, to go back to

1004
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: the gym at night, to keep fighting, keep pushing each

1005
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: other while we struggles while people were down on us.

1006
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: You know, there was a time people probably thought both

1007
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: of us were going to be out of the league

1008
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 1: in those first two years. Um, but we kept working

1009
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: and I went through some injury stuff and he went

1010
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: through kind of that adaptation to living abroad and playing

1011
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: in the league. But I think having each other was

1012
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: huge because we pushed each other. We you know, continue

1013
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: to encourage each other, could see there was a path

1014
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: for us if we continue to work at it. And so,

1015
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: you know, we stuck with it. And we went from

1016
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: one of the worst teams in the league and barely

1017
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: contributing to the conference finals and and and playing in

1018
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: All Star Games. And that was a very influential time

1019
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: in my career two thousand two, you guys beat UM

1020
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: Minnesota in three games and then end up falling to Sacramento.

1021
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean, KG is one of my ever players and

1022
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: FAY players to play against. The passion energy, you know,

1023
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: NonStop talking. Uh, couldn't shut up. But I love that.

1024
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: I love I love the personality and and and more

1025
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: than anything, I really respect because I know what he

1026
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: put in. I know much time and effort, and how

1027
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: professionally was he worked really hard. He was incredibly professional,

1028
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: great teammate, UM, so he did it the right way,

1029
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: and so it was it always a pleasure to play

1030
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: against him and during my career and then to play

1031
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: as that sacramental team, those Rick Adelman teams, UM, you know,

1032
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, good guards are great guards obviously

1033
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: Mike Bibby, Doug Christie, UM, but they're big. That had

1034
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: been Paige obviously was maybe their best player at their

1035
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: different times during that run. But you know, the passing

1036
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: of Vladi and Sea Webb was unbelievable for two people guys,

1037
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: you know, and it allowed them to play the game

1038
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: in a way that was so rare and so difficult

1039
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: to defend. That ball just moved and and guys with

1040
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: you know, they space the floor and make you pay

1041
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: with back cuts or threes and and it was beautiful.

1042
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: And you know, that year we lost to them in

1043
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: the playoffs, I really felt like Doug Christie and Adelman

1044
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: had a big impact. You know, whenever we were doing

1045
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: our two man game on one elbow or on one wing,

1046
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, they bring Christie over to the middle of

1047
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: the paint um. You know, he would kind of he

1048
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: would actually come all the way to the strong side block.

1049
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't no three seconds seconds you had to well

1050
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: you yeah, but you also you had to either come

1051
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 1: or stay. And so he would come all the way

1052
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: instead of and take and so you don't have to

1053
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: throw out to the corner. And they would either rotate,

1054
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: stunt and get back and but inevitably the ball was gone.

1055
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: I was out of my hands, you know. So it

1056
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: was either played two on three versus Doug Christie is

1057
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: the their man, or throw it to the weak side.

1058
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: And I remember that really hurt us in that series.

1059
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: But that's those teams were fun to watch, fun to

1060
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: play against. Sacramento was an incredible place to play building.

1061
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: I felt like it was alling down, but the energy

1062
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: in there was incredible, a two thousand three sixty win season.

1063
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: Beat Portland's seven, beat Sacramento and seven. And then this

1064
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: is where my bad I misspoke early. You ran into

1065
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: the Spurs in the Western Conference finals where my co

1066
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: host had a big game. Six. Talked to us about

1067
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: because that was that was your last run in Dallas.

1068
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: Talked to us about that. Yeah, actually that was the

1069
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: second That was my second last year in Dallas. Um. Yeah,

1070
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: we got to the conference finals. I think they beat

1071
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: us four too, and actually we won a game without Dirk.

1072
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: Dirk like twisted his knees saying he was hurt and

1073
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: he missed two games. One of them we won I think,

1074
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: to make it three too in San Antonio. In San Antonio, Yeah,

1075
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: we beat them at their place without Dirk to go

1076
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: to bring it back to two three. Then we went

1077
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: to Dallas and that was the Steve Kerr game where

1078
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: he had those four threes in the fourth corner jack

1079
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: in the big game. Um, you know that was those

1080
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: That was a tough team and and I don't know

1081
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: that we were ready, but it made us try to

1082
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: our our franchise, try to take steps to get over

1083
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: the hump. And so we signed Antoine Walker and Antoine

1084
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 1: Jamison the next that summer. Um, and and it kind

1085
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: of it's it was, it was, you know, they were

1086
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: that it was ballsy. They tried something, but really you

1087
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: got you got ants both Antwine's and Dirk playing the

1088
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: same position. They're all kind of like mobile fours, and

1089
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: so it uh, it just didn't work. Um, it was difficult. Um.

1090
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: And that was I think that I had. You know,

1091
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: I was always a pass for us guy, and so

1092
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: I tried to make this thing work. So I first

1093
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: part of the season, half of the season, my numbers

1094
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: were really down. But the second half of the season,

1095
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: I think I shot over and played well. Um. But

1096
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: I think it was like a sign to Mark Human

1097
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: that like maybe he thought, like this is I was

1098
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: coming to the end because I didn't quite have the

1099
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: full year that I had had prior so that that summer,

1100
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't he really didn't make a big

1101
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: effort to keep me. I think he thought he didn't

1102
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: want to overpay. I think he'd overpaid a few guys.

1103
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: Didn't want to overpay an hating point guard. Um. And

1104
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's how I ended up in Phoenix.

1105
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: Really was is that he wasn't you know, I don't

1106
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: think he was confident in my future at that point.

1107
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: Um talked to us a little bit about that second

1108
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: time around, because you guys had a fucking squad and

1109
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: Maori Shawn Mary and Joe Johnson q rich that small

1110
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: ball Uh was so fun to watch and play against

1111
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: the answered in two to talk about that, Yeah, yeah,

1112
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, Like it was a fun obviously a

1113
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: fun team team. I think they kind of took the

1114
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: league by storm. You know, we were absolutely you know,

1115
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: I think the year before we're at we're one of

1116
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: the you know, maybe one six games. So coming into

1117
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: that year training camp, people thought like, this isn't a

1118
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: playoff team. This is a team that you know, might

1119
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: win thirty something games. Um. So we came out of

1120
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: the gates I think like thirty one in five. Um.

1121
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: You know, basically you know, just running people out of

1122
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: the building and we're playing a style and a pace

1123
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: that was you know, it was rare, and I think

1124
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: it was exciting for the fans. It was fun to

1125
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: play that style, but also we were punishing people and

1126
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: so um. But it was a young team. You know,

1127
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who had never played in the playoffs,

1128
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: got to the you know, I got to the conference finals.

1129
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: It got to actually play Dallas, my former team, which

1130
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: was which was difficult, but beat them in the in

1131
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: the semifinals, then played the Spurs again in the in

1132
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: the finals, lost four one. That was a series that

1133
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 1: Joe Johnson missed. Um. He played I think the last game,

1134
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: the clincher that we lost. UM. So that was tough.

1135
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: It was, you know, they were they were a terrific team.

1136
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: They they had a lot of experience as well, championship

1137
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: pedigree and all that. But you know, it was tough.

1138
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: We were already a team that didn't play a deep

1139
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: bench at all, and so to lose a players talented

1140
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: as you know, as Joe was, and especially he was

1141
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: coming on, you know, he was getting better as the

1142
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: season went on and was pivotal kind of big guard

1143
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: who could make plays, be the backup. People don't realize

1144
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: how good he was. Joe Johnson was so because he

1145
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 1: was just so mild mannered and quiet, but so talented.

1146
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: Just so much game, you know, so much game. And

1147
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: he was like six pounds um and and athletic when

1148
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: he wanted to be so um, you know, to lose

1149
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: him was tough. To lose him to Atlanta that summer

1150
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: was even tougher. Uh, But those years in Phoenix were incredible.

1151
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: UM gave me, you know, some of the best memories

1152
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: of my career. We we played an incredible playoff series.

1153
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: We never got over the hump, but I think we

1154
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: played in three or four Western Conference finals in an

1155
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: an incredibly difficult Western Conference at the time. So um,

1156
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't make the finals, but you know,

1157
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: those were years where the team that came out of

1158
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: the East we were beating by thirty twice, you know.

1159
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: You know, so we didn't get to the finals, but

1160
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: we we also were finals caliber team that just played

1161
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: in the Western Conference where you have to get through

1162
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, big teams touched you touched on it tough

1163
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: because the West was definitely dominant back then. But for

1164
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: you to win back to back m vps UM during

1165
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: that that that run in Phoenix was historical, was amazing.

1166
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: But it caught a lot of people by surprise. Talk

1167
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: to us about that. Yeah, I mean I think it

1168
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: was you know, I went from UH an All Star

1169
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: player to UH to an m v P and and

1170
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'll never put myself in a category of

1171
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan or Kobe Bryant. But I think those teams

1172
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: were special. I think our team we lead the the

1173
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: league in scoring. Well, I think every year I was there,

1174
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: and so I think there was you know, and I

1175
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: think also we we forget and Tom I want no

1176
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: no that have to defend myself, but it's like you're

1177
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: forgetting time that you know, although like I average, you know,

1178
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: somewhere between fifteen and eighteen points in those years, you know,

1179
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, I would close games and score the north

1180
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: quarter a lot more and when when it was needed.

1181
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: But I still came from the school of being a

1182
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: pass first point guard. So I was never like I

1183
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: gotta go out and get twenty fives. And I was

1184
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: always like, I want our team to flourish. I want

1185
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: guys to feel good and get easy pockets, and I'll

1186
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: step up when I have to. And so those were

1187
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: special years where I think I took a jump as

1188
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: a player and became more of a threat in every way.

1189
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: But I also got to play with the team that

1190
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: fit really well, maybe needed someone to create for them,

1191
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: and then they could finish, uh and they could finish

1192
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: with the best of them so it was a perfect

1193
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: fit in a lot of ways that it highlighted my game,

1194
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: highlighted their game, and I think collectively we were very

1195
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: difficult to control. Talk to me a little bit about

1196
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: playing with a Mariti Stadtermeyer who who was a killer,

1197
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: and then Shawn Marrying and too. I mean, those are

1198
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: two guys that you could put the ball anywhere. They go,

1199
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: get rebound, lay defense, played hard. What was that like

1200
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: playing with both those guys? It was awesome. I mean,

1201
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, especially for someone who loves to to find

1202
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: his teammates, you know, they're both are incredib ball athletes.

1203
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: A Marii first of all, incredible feat for a big

1204
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: guy like really could could move, change directions, and he

1205
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: had big hands and great hands and so you know

1206
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: once once he got a piece of that ball, he

1207
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: could suck it in and you know, I was I

1208
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: could finish with the best of him one ft two

1209
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: ft um. He was incredible as a pick and roll

1210
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: partner of transition. Sean was you know, Sean was an

1211
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: incredible athlete. Like his quickness, speed from end to end,

1212
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: his quickness, ability to guard multiple positions. Um, you know,

1213
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: he his second jump was almost as good as his

1214
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: first so he could do so many things athletically. They

1215
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: were so incredible. Um so it was it was fun.

1216
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: I have these two two guys I could throw lops

1217
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: to or find on the break for finishes and use

1218
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: their athleticism and speed to cause the defense problems. And

1219
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean I was very fortunate to get

1220
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: to play with those two guys. Um oh six of

1221
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: mart goes down with the knee injury. Uh Rajabelle dil Barbosa.

1222
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: You win your second m v P. You're on the

1223
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: Clever Slam magazine and the and the headline is is

1224
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: Nash better than Stock? Then? Kid? What were your thoughts

1225
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: like that? Because things were coming at you so fast,

1226
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: Like I said, you were approving all star. You're jumping

1227
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: into this m v P caliber, which you know, only

1228
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: Hall of famers basically, you know, get a chance to

1229
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: do What was all that success like? And how did

1230
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: you take it? And how did you handle it? I

1231
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: always felt like an underdog, So I always like lost

1232
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: myself in in like you gotta work, like if you

1233
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: have a big game or you had a big season

1234
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: your m v P. I never was like I ad

1235
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: made it. I was always like I need to do more.

1236
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: I need to do it again. I need to continue

1237
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: to approving. So I never really like took in like

1238
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: the accolades like that. I always like move right back

1239
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: to my work, you know, right back to my process

1240
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: and just trying to stay focused on what that is.

1241
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: Um one, it helps you handle the pressure and expectations.

1242
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: But to like it keeps you, keeps you sharp, keeps

1243
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: you growing, keeps you getting better. Uh, it simplifies everything

1244
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: if you just know this is my process. I stick

1245
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: to the way I prepare and perform and recover. You know,

1246
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: then then you're thinking about what matters and not getting

1247
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: letting the rest of the stuff get in your head.

1248
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just i'd always just reverted back to

1249
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: my work. I had a great chemistry talk about how

1250
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,959
Speaker 1: tough wasn't losing a mar Yeah, I mean that second

1251
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: year Mary didn't play. We still made the conference finals.

1252
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: But you know, Boris Dia was phenomenal playing the five

1253
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 1: the four um as a play Yeah, and Steve, I Steve,

1254
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: I don't mean to cut you off, Steve, but I

1255
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: tell somebody this and they asked me who was the

1256
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: most talented playoff ever played with my NBA career, and

1257
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: I told him, bars D, I don't know why people

1258
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: don't believe me. Yeah. He I mean an incredible basketball player, UM,

1259
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: incredible field for the game passer. Uh could could use

1260
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: that body to you know, to punish smaller guards when

1261
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: he got the switches and was was quick enough and

1262
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: clever enough with the ball even though he only goes

1263
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: right to to roast big guys from the perimeter. UM.

1264
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: And just like he was, you know, he had the vision,

1265
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: like high high level vision to pass. You know. So

1266
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: when I had to pick a role with the Mari,

1267
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'd find a Mari for finishes. When I

1268
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: had to pick and roll with with Boris, you know,

1269
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: if I draw two defenders and threw it to him.

1270
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: Now he's playing two on two, three on two, and

1271
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: he's the point guard getting in the teeth of the defense,

1272
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: and he was he was incredible in that position. So

1273
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,919
Speaker 1: that was great. I mean, playing with all those guys

1274
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: though Sean Mari Boris had felt great chemistry. Um. And

1275
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: then on top of the chemistry on the court, we

1276
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: always had fun. Like we had great teams. We had

1277
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: great teams that would go out together, go eat together,

1278
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: go to the movies together, spend time together, so there

1279
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: was always a little yeah, there was always a little

1280
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: more on it. There was always a little more feeling

1281
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: in the dressing room, and and I think that was

1282
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: something that made our team special as well. Two thousand seven,

1283
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: Mari's back. You guys win sixty one games, he plays

1284
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: the whole season. Uh, second round against the Spurs. It's

1285
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: getting heated to too, if I'm not mistaken, and uh

1286
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: oor it takes one of the most blatant cheap shots.

1287
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: And this is coming up. I don't really take cheap shots.

1288
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: I just made hard fouls. But he takes a blatant

1289
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: cheap shot that kind of changed the whole outlook and

1290
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: and and uh of the series, and it was through

1291
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: suspensions and guys stepping on the court. Talk to us

1292
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: about that time, because I mean, obviously the Spurs went

1293
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: on to win. Uh they beat Utah and then swept Cleveland.

1294
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought you guys had a great chance

1295
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: to win a championship that year with the hell of

1296
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: a team, the style of play. Mari was healthy. Talked

1297
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: to us about that second round matchup. Yeah, man, I

1298
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: mean it's painful to think about, you know, like it is.

1299
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I love life, and I'm like life moves

1300
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: on and I great life. But like, you know, we

1301
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: had a great opportunity there. I think we at that game.

1302
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 1: We tied the series too two with their place going home,

1303
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: going home to regain home court, and I was right

1304
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, you know. Um. And

1305
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: then then Mamari and Boris gets suspended and obviously we

1306
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: play incredibly small and leading all of Game five until

1307
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: the last minute, and they overtake us. Uh, you know

1308
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: what could have been. But for whatever you know, reason

1309
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: that things happened. I always look at it like I

1310
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: could have made another player too to get over the

1311
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: hump and didn't. Um. But definitely there was some some

1312
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: some luck involved, as there always is, and and we

1313
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: didn't get the breaks. But that's a it's a you know,

1314
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: a team that always found a way to put themselves

1315
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: in a position to win and so maximum respect him,

1316
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: and they got us again unfortunately. Just a little context

1317
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: that for those who don't know. So it's what Game four,

1318
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: you guys to winning that game, right, So we win

1319
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: Game four in San Antonio. I actually watched it recently. Um,

1320
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: I watched I never watched anything, but um, Bill Simmons

1321
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: does that book a basketball podcast, and he asked me

1322
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: to watch that game and talk about it. So I

1323
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: watched it on my phone like right away, like anxiety

1324
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: levels through the roof, like thirteen years and it was

1325
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: alarming to watch. You know, it was alarming to watch

1326
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: because we're supposed to be this fast paced team that um,

1327
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, push the temp on. The reality is we

1328
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: played right into the first hands that game four in

1329
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,919
Speaker 1: San Antonio. I think we we either took or made

1330
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: five threes. You know, we we won in San Antonio

1331
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: one on one like nine seven or one o three.

1332
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, we should have played so much faster. Um,

1333
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, the way they played that big and how

1334
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: dominant Timmy was. They always had another center alongside him,

1335
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: and um, you know, so to be in that position,

1336
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: it was incredible considering I don't think we played a

1337
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: style it's contrary to kind of like how we remember

1338
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: it that really you know, represented our best opportunity to win.

1339
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, hats off to the Spurs. But

1340
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: it just shows, like I said, you won their way

1341
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: and that and that's a sign of a team that

1342
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: can win a championship. You know, especially considering that was

1343
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: the Spurs. You know, so you get fouled a Mari

1344
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: and bors step on the court that NBA rules step

1345
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: on the court, which eliminates them from Game five, and

1346
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: you know the rest is NBA history. So that's it's brutal.

1347
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: I mean, they you know, they were reacting in shock.

1348
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't like chase anyone down. They jumped

1349
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: and then there's five or six assistant coaches all on

1350
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: the on the sideline. You have to go on the

1351
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: court to see around them, you know what I mean,

1352
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, Like you it was

1353
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: right down the sideline, so they couldn't like, look, they

1354
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: took a step out to see if I was okay,

1355
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: and you know it wasn't. Definitely wasn't the spirit of

1356
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: the law. It was like a technicality in a sense.

1357
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: So it was a full shit. We didn't get to

1358
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: play the series out absolutely. Um Any truth to the

1359
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: rumor that you would spoken to KG that summer about

1360
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: coming to Phoenix, Yeah, there was there was a time

1361
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: ownership asked me to call him uh and recruit him.

1362
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: Would have been an incredible player to play with, but

1363
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: we didn't have full calf slot that other teams did

1364
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: so in a sense. I And Kevin tells this story

1365
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: too that I told him, I'm kind of embarrassed to

1366
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: call you because you don't have to take a pay

1367
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 1: got to come here, but we'd love to have you.

1368
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,919
Speaker 1: So we did have that conversation. He respected my honesty.

1369
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: The reality is we just you know, he would have

1370
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: had to take a you know, a much lower salary.

1371
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: So I was never really close to happening. I don't

1372
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: think we tried to get into around the town that

1373
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: was up standing. Were trying to get around that time too. Yeah, yeah,

1374
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: he said it was Phoenix. He said who was his

1375
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: Phoenix us? He wanted to play with Code too, and

1376
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: it ended up being Boston. Yeah. I mean that was

1377
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: a perfect situation, the way they kind of engineered that

1378
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: whole team. And I mean it's almost crazy that they

1379
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: only won once. Yeah, crazy. As good as they were

1380
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, you'll probably beat the Spurs, you

1381
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: meet the Lakers. You played against Kobe in Game six,

1382
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: and Kobe go crazy to talk about that. That was

1383
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: he was unbelievable in that game. Um, you know it

1384
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: was it was I don't know that he had a

1385
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: great series until that game. But I remember they won

1386
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: two games in l A. I thought we got a

1387
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: terrible whistle. We came back to Phoenix and one hind

1388
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,560
Speaker 1: and one easily. Then we come back to l A

1389
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: to two, and that's the game. We we came flying back,

1390
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: tied the game with like a couple of seconds left,

1391
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: had all the momentum, and then Kobe missed a game

1392
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: winner air ball and uh run our tests ran in

1393
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: and caught the ball like around his waist to flip

1394
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 1: it up off the glass. When's when's the game? And

1395
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh man, that was like another slap

1396
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: in the face for me, just game five, just thinking like,

1397
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, we get Kobe Bryant to miss the basket completely,

1398
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: you know, we have all the momentum, and we give

1399
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: up like a crazy offensive rebound Austin up high off

1400
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 1: the class. So we go back home, Um, you know,

1401
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 1: down three two, and Kobe as a as a classic.

1402
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: You know he's making everything, making deep deep threes with

1403
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: grand Hill all in his face. Uh, he was just

1404
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: he was totally on fire and uh had a great

1405
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: game and and deserve to close it up. M M.

1406
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 1: The summer of two thousand and ten. Um, did you

1407
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: guys think that was your guys last roe with them? Mark?

1408
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: Did you think had you had conversations with him, did

1409
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: you think he was going to leave? There was there

1410
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: a chance? Did he say it was staying? What was that? Like?

1411
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna leave. You know, our ownership

1412
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: group was was adverse to going over the salary cap.

1413
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: They also, I think we're scared to give him ARII

1414
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, within troubles he'd have with his knee, um,

1415
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: both knees, I think, uh, you know, the full max.

1416
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: And and so I knew there was teams out there

1417
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: in the Nicks in particular, they we're gonna give him

1418
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: the max, so he would have to take a big

1419
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: pay cut, not only I think in salary, but also

1420
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: in in length of years. So I thought it was

1421
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: pretty clear that there was a great chance he was

1422
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: gonna go. And you know, that was it. That was

1423
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: the end of that kind of run, so to speak.

1424
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: And you know it was it was an incredible run

1425
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: for me playing with the Mari was one of the

1426
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: best partners I had and had so many incredible nights,

1427
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, being on to play with him in transition

1428
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: and pick and roll and on a lot of playoffs success.

1429
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: Never got to the finals, but we're close a number

1430
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 1: of times, and uh, I'll never forget it. And that

1431
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: was that was an incredibly fun time in my career.

1432
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: Two thousand twelve. You're thirty six years old and you're

1433
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,839
Speaker 1: coming to l A to play with Kobe Actually thirty

1434
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: I think I was thirty eight. Yeah, thirty eighth old man,

1435
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: excuse me coming to l A play with co lakerside

1436
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:55,560
Speaker 1: dwhite Um talked to us about that time. Yeah, it

1437
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: was exciting. I mean, you know, the big My first

1438
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: priority was I was going through a divorce, so I

1439
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: wanted to come to l A over Toronto and New

1440
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: York the other two options, because it was close to

1441
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: Phoenix and it was so much uncertainty, you know, going

1442
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: through that period. So that was, you know, the number

1443
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,799
Speaker 1: one reason. But then to be able to joint forces

1444
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: with those players, obviously thought we had a championship opportunity,

1445
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: and uh, couldn't have been more wrong. I've gone more sideways,

1446
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: but coming here, I was excited. Um. I actually I

1447
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,640
Speaker 1: think made my last All Star Game that season at

1448
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: thirty eight before I came to the Lakers. So I

1449
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: still believed I could have a big impact, you know,

1450
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know how much of it was, you know,

1451
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: I was losing a step, or how much of it

1452
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: was me breaking my knee at the start of that season,

1453
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: breaking my tip fip joint. I know I was never

1454
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 1: the same after after I fractured my knee. Um. But

1455
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: the whole thing, you know, Dwight was coming off back surgery.

1456
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 1: I think I think he rushed back. I think he

1457
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: rushed back because I had to white in in Orlando.

1458
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: And when I tell you, I've never played with a

1459
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: more security blanket in my life. He was incredible, and

1460
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: it hurt me because I knew, you know, when you

1461
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: come to Lakers, you you can contest to it's just

1462
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: a different aura that you're expected to win. You're expected

1463
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: to be your best. There's no excuses. Fuck everything else.

1464
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: You're a Laker, so nothing else matters. So him coming

1465
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: back rushing back, I personally knew that he wasn't ready.

1466
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 1: But I think you alluded to something too that people

1467
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,639
Speaker 1: don't think about in the process, that in the mental preparation,

1468
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: the mental toughness, you're going through a divorce, you know,

1469
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: I mean, so you're still trying to put yourself in

1470
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: a position where uncertainty. I still want to be able

1471
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: to see my kids. I don't want to move too

1472
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: far away without getting too far into your personal life.

1473
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that, because people don't see that

1474
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: side of athletes and realize how important other stuff in

1475
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 1: our life is when it pertains to our our our

1476
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: our craft and our profession. Yeah, I mean I think

1477
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: anyone could you know if you took a second to

1478
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: examine that, how difficult that would be. Um. You know,

1479
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: I was like I would fly back times after practice

1480
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: to go to my well, how old the girls have been.

1481
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: They must have been like eight nine years old, go

1482
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: back for our soccer practice and fly back after it,

1483
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, just just to just to see them, to

1484
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: get those touches in, so to speak, Um, and get

1485
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: through that school year. You know they moved to l

1486
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: A after the school year. But um, yeah, I mean

1487
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: it adds to it, right, It adds to everything. And

1488
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,719
Speaker 1: maybe at that stage in my career, the stress didn't

1489
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: help when I'm trying to, you know, overcome so many things.

1490
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: But you know it was it just wasn't meant to be.

1491
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: And I put I've never worked as hard in my

1492
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: life as I did for those two years, trying to

1493
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: make it happen, trying to contribute, trying to be near

1494
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: my best or at a level that I could really contribute,

1495
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: and and it was an exciting prospect. And in the

1496
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 1: end it was a disaster, but still a great experience.

1497
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: I got, Like so many times, when you go through

1498
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 1: difficult times, you know it's tough in the moment, but

1499
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: when you get through the other side, you realize that

1500
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: you learn a lot. You were challenged, so allows you

1501
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: to handle the next things that come in life. So

1502
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: it was it was incredible to get a chance to

1503
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: play for the Laker organization, to to meet all the

1504
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: people and that I've been a part of that for

1505
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: so many years. Um and so I take a lot

1506
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: of positives from it, regardless of all the negatives. When

1507
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: did you start to explore cannabis during this process? Uh?

1508
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: You know what my You said cannabis right, yes, sir? Yeah,

1509
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: I thought you said. I wasn't sure. You said Canada.

1510
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: I was like, well, from the job, Yeah, you know what,

1511
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a I'm not a I was

1512
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: never really a smoker. But you know, the Indica has

1513
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 1: really helped me sleep. I don't know if you guys

1514
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: use Indica for sleep, but I use it for life. Yeah,

1515
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: that man, Like honestly, if it was if it if

1516
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: I didn't, I wasn't aware of it during my career,

1517
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: but sleeping was always a problem for me, and it's

1518
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: the number one way to recover. Um, I really wish,

1519
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: you know, it could have helped me perform to have

1520
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: you know that sleep agent that it isn't you know,

1521
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 1: as as kind of gnarly, as like the sleep pills

1522
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: that I refused to take because the in fact they

1523
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 1: have on your body. Um So so really I've I've

1524
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: I've been using that since I retired, and it's given

1525
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: it's improved my life, Like I sleep better, Um, I

1526
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:26,759
Speaker 1: you know, I've more reserves to be a data five kids,

1527
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: um and do all the things that I want to

1528
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 1: continue doing. So that's kind that's kind of the extent

1529
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: of it for me. Well, what are your thoughts on

1530
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 1: cannabis to the betterment in professional sports? Like you said,

1531
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: to recover, to sleep, to to do all the things

1532
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: you didn't know at the time it was helping with

1533
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: because I had a conversation not to uh you know

1534
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: to go in the direction with Steve Kerr when I

1535
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: was with the Wars the last year I won a

1536
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: championship and he had the uh, those back problems, the

1537
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: spine problems, and and and we had a conversation about

1538
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: oddly enough a player talking to his coach, but he

1539
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: couldn't he couldn't, you know, he was just in a

1540
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: horrible position. And it was telling me that, you know,

1541
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: some of the CBD stuff and the TC stuff he

1542
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: was using was really working. I'm just like, wow, you know,

1543
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,799
Speaker 1: me being you know, Jack to someone who smoked cannabis

1544
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: since I was fourteen. I loved seeing that there was

1545
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 1: finally medical research and studies to prove what we already

1546
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: knew and would make other people more willing to give

1547
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: it a try, you know what I mean. And you

1548
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: were one of them. Yeah, I mean the proofs in

1549
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: the pudding right, Like it's becoming legalized, so we we

1550
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: know enough. We're educated enough now to know that it's

1551
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: not like the stigma that needs to follow it around. Um,

1552
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: there are so many purposes and packages that allow it

1553
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: to help many many people. So I think it's it's

1554
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: just one of those uh parts of evolutionist society that

1555
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: we're gaining, and I think within time it'll be a

1556
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: much more mainstream and common thing in all people's walks

1557
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 1: and lives, especially for those are professional athletes. So, um,

1558
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: you play with a lot of a great a lot

1559
01:17:58,120 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 1: of a lot of players, a lot of great players.

1560
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: I was one player that you could play with that

1561
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: you didn't play with, who would it be? M um?

1562
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting because like Jordan was my hero,

1563
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 1: so you'd love to say I could play with Jordan's

1564
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: But you know, also you know the other players of

1565
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: our era that I competed against. You know, I don't

1566
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: really feel like necessarily like I wanted to play with

1567
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: him because I always felt like we were competing against them. Um.

1568
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: But you can imagine though, like the I want to

1569
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: be like, especially in that era, to play with you know,

1570
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: a great big like uh you know, not not not

1571
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 1: that Tim, Tim Duncan, Kevin, Kevin Garnett, Um, those guys.

1572
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: A Maori was more like this mobile like big forward

1573
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: and he was incredible in the pick and roll. Those

1574
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: guys were more of those like they owned the game

1575
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: under the basket at both ends. And uh so that

1576
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: those those guys would be incredible, especially in that era.

1577
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: You know, we're like a rim protector was just so

1578
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 1: invaluable important, you know, the way the game is played.

1579
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: Uh favorite point guard to go to battle against mm

1580
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: hmm uh has had some great battles with Jay Kidd.

1581
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: You know that's kind of my era. Uh, you know,

1582
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: he was somebody that I think I really admired his

1583
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, the way he played the game and how

1584
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: special a player he was. So that was he was

1585
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: one of my one of my favorites. So that actually

1586
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: this music, what's you're listening to? What you gotta repeat

1587
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: right now? Um? He was so funny, like with five kids,

1588
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, when do I listen to music anymore? Unfortunately,

1589
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: so you know you end up listening. My daughters love

1590
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: Harry Styles, like that was the last concert I went

1591
01:19:54,280 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: through with me. You know. It's, um, it's crazy. So

1592
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: I still try to like, you know, moving music still

1593
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: moves you, and it's always cool to hear good, good music.

1594
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: But it's like crazy, how in having two little babies

1595
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 1: the last three years, like music has just fallen out

1596
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 1: of the window. I just think nothing new, it's it's

1597
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of sad. Hopefully I'll get back to it

1598
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: one day. You've been named dropped by a lot of artists.

1599
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: I know I've been I've been lucky, right, real quick,

1600
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on real quick. You said you're

1601
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 1: consulting for the Warriors. Me being there that one year,

1602
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 1: I was just fucking blowing away about the workouts you

1603
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: would put Steph and k D through. But to see

1604
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: k D doing what Steph did at seven ft and

1605
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: the balance and the spinning and all the ship you

1606
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: had them going through, it was just U. I used

1607
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 1: to enjoy at the inter practice, sitting and watching that.

1608
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: Talk to me a little bit, just a little bit

1609
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, I mean I think like when when

1610
01:20:56,520 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: I coach, teach whatever you wanna call it, guys, you know,

1611
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: I always try to start first with movement, like being

1612
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 1: on balance, moving correctly, because I think that if you're

1613
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 1: moving well, and you're moving in the right way, um,

1614
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 1: and you have the mobility, stability and the dynamic movements

1615
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: that if you get as as close to your potential

1616
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 1: in those areas, your skill can take off and your

1617
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 1: skill can take over. You know, if if you start

1618
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: cutting corners on the way you move, you know, you

1619
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: Nick gait. I think your your skill and your ability

1620
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: to to make plays at your potential. So Kevin is just,

1621
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, like most of the greats, they move really

1622
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 1: really well. And he's just a freak in that he's

1623
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: six ten, six and eleven whatever he is and skilled

1624
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: and explosive and can control those long favers. I mean, yeah,

1625
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 1: we ever have we ever seen someone that's like that

1626
01:21:55,800 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 1: explosive and that controlled but at that length um inaccuracy.

1627
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: So you know, he's special obviously, and uh, it was

1628
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 1: it was fun to work with him. It was like

1629
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: I said, well, what blow me away was You're you're

1630
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: not teaching guard movement, but you're teaching balance and all

1631
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So you see staff at six

1632
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: three doing it, and then you see Katie right next

1633
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 1: to him at seven ft doing the exact same thing,

1634
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, God, this is It's insane, it

1635
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: is it's it really is crazy. Um, he's you know,

1636
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,600
Speaker 1: let's let's hope we get the best Katie back after this,

1637
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: because he really is a beautiful basketball player and moved

1638
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: so well for someone with such long leavers. Absolutely, last

1639
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 1: question of the day. Rank these three players for me

1640
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: in your opinion? M J, Kobe, Lebron. It's tricky, you know.

1641
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: I think MJ's my guy for sure always. You know,

1642
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: when you talk about Lebron and Kobe, like, I totally

1643
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: understand why people have Lebron where he is either first

1644
01:22:56,080 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 1: or second in many people's eyes. You know. Um, when

1645
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: you look at the whole picture of everything Lebron's done

1646
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 1: over his course of his career, it's hard to argue with.

1647
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: I think at his best, Kobe was right up there

1648
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: with any of them, you know, Um, you know he

1649
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't know where the knock is, but um, you

1650
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: know he he when he was flying and playing at

1651
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 1: his best, you know, he he was as good as

1652
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: we've ever seen. So, UM, I don't know. I think

1653
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: you probably you probably had me saying Jordan, Lebron, Kobe

1654
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,600
Speaker 1: on the total picture, But um, I mean, how do

1655
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 1: you go wrong at their best? There? They all three

1656
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 1: of them at their best, all three of them that

1657
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: played the game at a at a level higher than

1658
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: uh you know any Yeah, cool, hey man, that's a rap. Steve,

1659
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: Thank you, We appreciate your time. All the smoke. You

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01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and all platforms

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1662
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: forms a different kind of person. On my high school team,

1663
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: we have five guys make the NBA. We had the

1664
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 1: County rock at you mentioned Prince Shortis County. People know

1665
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: it's about it's the meta of basketball. There are those

1666
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 1: who have come before us, upon whose shoulders we stay

1667
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 1: here for this area. You have to have tough skin

1668
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Speaker 1: that Jim became in sanc You warld p G County

1669
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Speaker 1: guy provide buckets for America. Prince Georgia tacks a lot

1670
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Speaker 1: of power, a lot of character. It's nothing that you

1671
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: can do to stop that competitive and we're pushing the

1672
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Speaker 1: community and a culture full. There's just in the water. Mh.

1673
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: This life was all I ever wanted. I'm not leaving,

1674
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,400
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1675
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:29,559
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