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Speaker 1: welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori with you.

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Speaker 1: Mike Bearer with US New York Times bestselling author, lecturer,

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Speaker 1: television personality. He has sold thousands upon thousands of books worldwide.

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Speaker 1: He began his writing career after spending more than twenty

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Speaker 1: five years as an engineering designer consultant for major aerospace companies,

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Speaker 1: where he was a card carrying member of the military

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Speaker 1: industrial complex. He's described as a born again conspiracy theorist

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Speaker 1: and a regular contry better here on Coast to Coast.

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Speaker 1: Here he is Mike Barrow Mike. What an inspirational speech

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Speaker 1: that Kennedy speech was, wasn't it. Yeah, it was pretty

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Speaker 1: amazing to hear Georgia. Mean, it's been obviously a really

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Speaker 1: long time, but you know, our leaders rarely speak like

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Speaker 1: that anymore, um, and we rarely had that sort of perfect,

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Speaker 1: it was really really an incredible moment, and of course

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Speaker 1: it manifested itself about nine years later, and you know,

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Speaker 1: still remember, um, the moon landing, and it remains, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the most extraordinary event in human history, certainly

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Speaker 1: most extraordinary event I've ever been aware of. It was amazing.

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Speaker 1: And even watching that those foggy television pictures that were

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Speaker 1: and of course they were. They were deliberately um dirty, gross,

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Speaker 1: on purpose for various reasons we've discussed before. Because they

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Speaker 1: really were concerned about what we might be able to

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Speaker 1: I remember, it's very distinct. I remember my dad was

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Speaker 1: I really don't know. And I think actually that was

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Speaker 1: started to become a conspiracy nearest in question things George,

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Speaker 1: it turned out we found that years later they had

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Speaker 1: They were specifically ordered do not take this camera down there.

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Speaker 1: And and you know that that starts a whole separate

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Speaker 1: true objectives of Apollo, which which does relate to the

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Speaker 1: conversation we're gonna have tonight. What do you think of

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Speaker 1: a year later he got assassinated. Yeah he did. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's actually there's a really good book by

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