Speaker 1: Really now really.
Speaker 2: Really no really, Hello, and welcome to really know Really
Speaker 2: with Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden. In today's episode, you'll
Speaker 2: meet an influencer who's millions of followers tune in to
Speaker 2: watch him scam the scammers, and you'll learn about the
Speaker 2: never before revealed technology he developed.
Speaker 3: Plus you'll meet.
Speaker 2: His wife, who it turns out is actually Jason Alexander.
Speaker 3: Really now really.
Speaker 2: We'll also discuss why vengeance feels so good and why
Speaker 2: movie studios think that vigilantes should be members of the AARP.
Speaker 2: Now Here are your hosts, who also more than qualify
Speaker 2: for the AARP. Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden No really, Well.
Speaker 3: Whether you want it or not, we're back, folks.
Speaker 4: This is really no really. I am Jason Alexander and
Speaker 4: sitting to.
Speaker 1: My immediate Peter told me, Peter, and happy to be
Speaker 1: here and with us today is a guest who the
Speaker 1: really really is Really there are scammers who are scamming
Speaker 1: the scammers. We did not know this, but then again,
Speaker 1: in the technological.
Speaker 3: World, we don't know anything. We don't know, we don't
Speaker 3: know much, we know nothing.
Speaker 4: You do know that scamming is a plague. I am
Speaker 4: privy to it all the time. I get calls about
Speaker 4: how a car I don't own the warranty is running
Speaker 4: out call. I get things on my phone that says,
Speaker 4: if your account is being deleted, if you don't tap
Speaker 4: this right now, I know well enough to not get involved.
Speaker 3: But it is relentless.
Speaker 4: It happens all the time, and people have it far
Speaker 4: worse than I do.
Speaker 3: Where they get, you know.
Speaker 1: And there's billions, it's a billion maybe even a trillion
Speaker 1: dollar industry. We're going to talk about that. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the people who do stand up. What
Speaker 1: kind of personality stands up to injustice? Is that you
Speaker 1: were me?
Speaker 3: And this kind of injustice? I wouldn't know where to begin, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So let's say hi to our guest. Our guest
Speaker 1: is Kid berga who's a super star right wearing sun.
Speaker 4: Although I'm imagining Kid Booge's probably something like kid is
Speaker 4: going to be short for something like Christopher.
Speaker 3: Sometimes a kit oga might be a thing.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, all right, no, no, how did you
Speaker 1: come up with introduce the man first? You interrupted?
Speaker 3: Nobody knows that they have no reference.
Speaker 1: Here's Aaron Schlossberg. He's got how many followers do you
Speaker 1: have now on your you're on your channel.
Speaker 5: You know I don't keep track. I would, I know,
Speaker 5: keep tracking relatively.
Speaker 1: Way above that million.
Speaker 3: Four million?
Speaker 1: All right, you'll let him know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I have four million, I won't keep tracking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't keep I guess anything over three million, you go, okay,
Speaker 1: tell them that you're on and he's done. He's got
Speaker 1: videos on YouTube. You can't. You can't believe of him.
Speaker 1: The intent is to waste scammers time, have them give up.
Speaker 1: He also has closed down bank accounts. And I know
Speaker 1: you're you're working on some new stuff, new technology that's
Speaker 1: AI driven, and you've got a team working with you. Whatever.
Speaker 1: So welcome to the show. Thank you for being on.
Speaker 4: And by the way, let me tell you starting right off,
Speaker 4: for those watching on YouTube, the sunglasses perfect disguise I have.
Speaker 4: If this guy was my best friend, if he's my brother,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't know who that was. I wouldn't know who
Speaker 4: he was. It's fantastic.
Speaker 3: Like Clark's, anonymity is the key to what he does.
Speaker 1: If I did what you do, everybody from high school
Speaker 1: will go that's Peter Tilden, right.
Speaker 5: I know this guy do you're not gett A couple
Speaker 5: of years back, I went to so I stream this
Speaker 5: live sometimes I'm on Twitch, and I went to a
Speaker 5: big convention for Twitch streamers, and if I had my
Speaker 5: glasses on, people knew who I was. So if I
Speaker 5: wanted to get across the convention hall, I would just
Speaker 5: take my glasses off. And no one had any idea.
Speaker 3: Podcast Clock and Superman.
Speaker 1: We're finding out the tech world. Yeah, Genie, not well
Speaker 1: where I'm a little weak exactly. So let's let's start.
Speaker 1: I know story, but why don't you tell it how
Speaker 1: you got started because your grandmother was scammed? Correct?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so both grandparents had dementia and Alzheimer's as they
Speaker 5: got older, and you know, I'm not sure if they
Speaker 5: got scammed by a tech support scammer per se, but
Speaker 5: they had all sorts of telephone scams and everything you
Speaker 5: could think of at the time. I remember one time
Speaker 5: we went to visit her and she had these rose bushes,
Speaker 5: this beautiful garden that she took care of, and there
Speaker 5: was a gardener, like in her front yard in real life,
Speaker 5: taking her rose bushes out and putting them in the
Speaker 5: back of his trailer. And I remember thinking that's strange.
Speaker 5: And I asked her about it and she said, oh,
Speaker 5: he said they're diseased or something, and like, I got
Speaker 5: to get rid of them. But it was just this
Speaker 5: dude taking her rose bushes. Probably I don't know if
Speaker 5: he's going to try to re sell them or use
Speaker 5: them somewhere else. She had multiple cable packages, multiple phone lines,
Speaker 5: multiple Internet plans, which those are just scummy sales guys
Speaker 5: selling her things she doesn't need. But there's this realization that, man,
Speaker 5: if my grandma was still around, the first time I
Speaker 5: ever heard one of these tech supports scammers, I knew
Speaker 5: that she would have fallen for it, and she would
Speaker 5: have had no clue what was going on, and she
Speaker 5: would have said, this is actually Microsoft. That was kind
Speaker 5: of the big catalyst.
Speaker 1: So you jumped in and you created this persona. And
Speaker 1: if you look at the videos, it looks because you're
Speaker 1: almost like an improv actor. You enjoy keeping these people on.
Speaker 1: And what's the longest you've kept somebody on so far?
Speaker 5: Well, all in one shot maybe like six hours, but
Speaker 5: over the course of multiple calls, something like fifty two
Speaker 5: hours of phone calls.
Speaker 3: Well, the one that I that I watched was.
Speaker 4: This guy, this guy with a clearly East Indian accent,
Speaker 4: was presenting himself as Joe Biden. And yes, and that
Speaker 4: guy bitcoin scam I guess is what that was all about.
Speaker 4: But that was and it was clear that what I
Speaker 4: was watching was happening over weeks.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Well, well eventually we figured out that it wasn't Biden. Yes,
Speaker 5: and that's not the first time that I've had a
Speaker 5: scammer pretend to be the president, or we've had them
Speaker 5: do all kinds of crazy situations. So to back up
Speaker 5: a little, I didn't when I first started doing this.
Speaker 5: I it was like an adventure. I had no idea
Speaker 5: what I was doing. I picked up a phone call
Speaker 5: or picked up my phone, and I tried to find
Speaker 5: a tech support scammer because I had I had heard
Speaker 5: about it. I saw some recording of a it's called Hey,
Speaker 5: it's Lenny. It's this recording of an older gentleman that
Speaker 5: they would play for telemarketers, and it was a recording
Speaker 5: of him talking to a tech support scammer. And then
Speaker 5: it took me maybe five minutes to find a phone
Speaker 5: number to call, and I picked it up and I called,
Speaker 5: and this guy tells me, yes, I'm from Microsoft. You
Speaker 5: have viruses on your computer. Let me connect and fix it.
Speaker 5: And I hung up because I didn't know what else
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 1: Right, what else?
Speaker 5: But I remember just running up stairs and saying to
Speaker 5: my wife, oh my gosh, there are these scammers. They're everywhere.
Speaker 5: I gotta do something about it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: But in the beginning, it was just me doing my voice.
Speaker 5: I didn't really know what I was doing. I had
Speaker 5: a fake computer, a virtual computer that I would let
Speaker 5: them on. But then after ten or fifteen minutes, they
Speaker 5: would usually hang up. And I realized, well, if I
Speaker 5: do something to my voice, I sound a little bit
Speaker 5: older or whatever. Now the scammers think I'm a better target.
Speaker 5: And as time progressed it, Yeah, we kind of honed
Speaker 5: in on being able to take them down some crazy stories.
Speaker 5: For sure.
Speaker 4: What what just because it hit me in the head
Speaker 4: of what is a virtual computer?
Speaker 1: What's a fake?
Speaker 6: Good? Good?
Speaker 5: I'm glad you asked, because I just say it, and
Speaker 5: I yeah, So a virtual machine is another way to
Speaker 5: describe it. But I kind of have a computer inside
Speaker 5: of my computer, it's a whole other place. So it
Speaker 5: looks like Windows, and it essentially is Windows. But if
Speaker 5: the scammers delete all of my files, which they do
Speaker 5: all the time, or upload a virus or something like that.
Speaker 5: I can just turn that computer off and start over afresh,
Speaker 5: like nothing ever happened. It's like a wow.
Speaker 1: Is that you do? You have to?
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a moron with computers?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 6: Is that?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 3: That sounds like something everybody should have, right, I mean.
Speaker 5: Oh good. You know it's a bummer that you can't
Speaker 5: really do that with your everyday computer. But usually they're
Speaker 5: used for more just in the development world or in
Speaker 5: the cloud or I have a background in software engineering,
Speaker 5: so it was something that I just knew about.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I had three years of theater training at Boston University,
Speaker 4: so I feel you and I can talk pretty much
Speaker 4: on the same You.
Speaker 5: Learned a lot about computers there, Oh, I'm sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, psychology degree here, so.
Speaker 4: Since it was in the eighties, we're out with my
Speaker 4: psychology degree, Jason. I.
Speaker 1: As far as tech, we go, Hello help me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know to call again.
Speaker 1: So you're obviously tech savvy. You're dealing with some really
Speaker 1: bad guys. I mean, and if you listen again, you
Speaker 1: should go online and listen to some of his calls
Speaker 1: because there. There's an entertainment value to this. It's huge.
Speaker 1: You have millions of people watching you do it. So
Speaker 1: there's also catharsists that people feel because you're doing stuff
Speaker 1: that they guess that law enforcement can't do, that government
Speaker 1: can't do because these scams are so prevalent, they don't
Speaker 1: have the time, et cetera. So, yeah, these guys are
Speaker 1: so good, though, have you ever gotten scared where you went? Uh? Oh,
Speaker 1: this guy has infiltrated and is smart, and I think
Speaker 1: I may be at risk here.
Speaker 5: It definitely early on, this was Yeah, By twenty seventeen
Speaker 5: was when I really started. Remember there was a day
Speaker 5: where these scammers had logged into their PayPal account on
Speaker 5: my virtual computer, and I don't know if they just
Speaker 5: forgot that they were on my computer, because if you
Speaker 5: don't know this, a lot of times they will connect
Speaker 5: to your personal computer using some kind of virtual or
Speaker 5: like a remote control software so they can give you
Speaker 5: support for another place. Well, maybe they got mixed up
Speaker 5: and they're lugging into their company's PayPal on my computer.
Speaker 5: Well I can just cut them off. So I disconnected
Speaker 5: their connection and I'm thinking, oh, well, now I have
Speaker 5: access to all of their finances. Maybe I can refund
Speaker 5: people or contact PayPal. But I foolish me, you know,
Speaker 5: being new at this, I said, oh, you made a
Speaker 5: big mistake. Like on the phone, I just said, like,
Speaker 5: you guys messed up. I'm on your you know I'm
Speaker 5: on your account. And they started saying like, I know
Speaker 5: exactly who you are, I know where you live, I
Speaker 5: have your IP address. You made a mistake too, I'm
Speaker 5: going to come get your kids. And I have kids,
Speaker 5: and the things that they're saying were very vague, but
Speaker 5: they would say like I know that you're I know
Speaker 5: that you have a laptop, which I wasn't using laptop,
Speaker 5: but I did have a laptop next to me. And
Speaker 5: at the time, I remember being like, oh, no, I've
Speaker 5: made a mistake. I literally hung up the phone, called
Speaker 5: tried calling like the FBI local field office, and I'm
Speaker 5: calling the police, thinking I'm going they're gonna come take
Speaker 5: a hit on me. But then I realized they were
Speaker 5: just nervous and trying to make me scared, and they
Speaker 5: had no clue what they were talking about. And now
Speaker 5: that I've done this for a while, I've kind of
Speaker 5: realized most of the individuals I talked to are kind
Speaker 5: of low on the run of these organizations, and they're
Speaker 5: like kids out of college trying to make away in
Speaker 5: the scam world or whatever it would be. But it's
Speaker 5: not this mafia crime lord situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not talking to Don Corleon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what can you do as you navigate this legally?
Speaker 1: You can't turn on somebody's camera to see what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, what's the line ethically that you decide or
Speaker 1: this the law decide for you. What you can do?
Speaker 1: It can't do to these people. I know sometimes I
Speaker 1: think I read that you refinded people some money.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good question. So I've tried to stay
Speaker 5: on the correct side of the law. And it's different
Speaker 5: in every state, it's different in every country, so it
Speaker 5: could be tricky. It's also I've talked to various lawyers
Speaker 5: over the years about it, and they tell me that
Speaker 5: it's a literal gray area, like it's there's some of
Speaker 5: this stuff the law and the precedent that they have.
Speaker 3: Well, you're you're kind of here.
Speaker 4: I was going to say, you're your your your borderline
Speaker 4: or over the border of vigilanteism, which technically is.
Speaker 5: Not legal for sure, So I personally, what.
Speaker 4: You can do before somebody goes no, I've got you now,
Speaker 4: is you just crossed.
Speaker 5: I've tried to stay pretty clear on the side of well,
Speaker 5: basically every state in every country has a law about
Speaker 5: accessing someone's computer without their consent, right, So I don't
Speaker 5: do that. I don't connect to their computer because I
Speaker 5: clearly don't have their consent.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: There's things like that, Well, could I upload some kind
Speaker 5: of backdoor mailware to get inside of their computer? Even
Speaker 5: though that's not my expertise. Sure, I probably could, or
Speaker 5: I could have a friend help me do that, but
Speaker 5: I don't because technically that's illegal for me, and it's
Speaker 5: just one of those well it's a gray area maybe
Speaker 5: because you could say, well, the guy's a criminal, what's
Speaker 5: he gonna do? Come sue you? Yeah, But I just
Speaker 5: have stayed away from that, and I've found that there's
Speaker 5: other ways that I can still be effective in trying
Speaker 5: to gather information. So I kind of hack them mentally.
Speaker 5: That sounds maybe bad, but like social engineering is the term.
Speaker 5: So if you could imagine, if I'm playing an older
Speaker 5: character and they really think that I'm the perfect victim,
Speaker 5: They're going to ask me to wire money to their
Speaker 5: bank account, and then they're going to give me their
Speaker 5: bank account, and sometimes will give me multiple bank accounts
Speaker 5: or addresses or all kinds of bitcoin wallets and things
Speaker 5: that then I can turn over to law enforcement or
Speaker 5: bank fraud people and then they can do whatever they
Speaker 5: need to do, and they have the legal ability to
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 1: So you just facility facilitate that. Now. I know, as
Speaker 1: I talk to your manager briefly, he said, you created
Speaker 1: this AI using AI. Now we started by saying you
Speaker 1: kept people on the phone for two hours. Now you
Speaker 1: have the ability to keep somebody on almost indefinitely if
Speaker 1: they'll stay on correct, which it's like gauntlet that you created.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is actually I don't think I've talked
Speaker 5: about it before, and there's no YouTube videos about it yet,
Speaker 5: so soon I will probably put this out there. I
Speaker 5: think what he may have been referring to is something
Speaker 5: that I call the gauntlet because I don't know what
Speaker 5: else to call it. But it's a kind of like
Speaker 5: a trap where the scammers let me back up for
Speaker 5: a second. So lately the scammers want me to pay
Speaker 5: with bitcoin, I say me, but I play the victim, right,
Speaker 5: I call up. I fall for their scam, and then
Speaker 5: they'll say, go take some money out of your bank,
Speaker 5: go to a bitcoin ATM. I don't know if you
Speaker 5: know much about those. I literally have never even seen
Speaker 5: one physically in real life. Wow, but they do exist.
Speaker 5: So you go to this gas station. It's a kind
Speaker 5: of like an ATM machine. You put cash in it,
Speaker 5: and you can purchase bitcoin and send it to anyone
Speaker 5: essentially instantly. So at the end you get a receipt,
Speaker 5: and the scammers want that receipt because it has some
Speaker 5: proof for sometimes a QR code that they can scan
Speaker 5: and now have your money. So we thought, what if
Speaker 5: we fake this receipt. We photoshop a fake looking receipt
Speaker 5: and that QR code is actually just a link to
Speaker 5: our website, and the one eight hundred number on the
Speaker 5: receipt is actually just my one eight hundred number with
Speaker 5: an AI like system that we talk to them. And
Speaker 5: so we made this whole essentially fake company that makes
Speaker 5: it look like you are getting bitcoin. But in reality.
Speaker 4: That is fantastic and I'm fascinated. But I have to
Speaker 4: go back one step, one step.
Speaker 3: You have a manager. What am I missing? Do you get?
Speaker 4: What are you doing commercials and speaking engagements and what
Speaker 4: is your managers?
Speaker 1: What I think, by the way, am baiting maybe more
Speaker 1: lucrative than what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: What you're doing, I mean, what is what is your
Speaker 3: manager managing?
Speaker 5: It's honestly, no, that's fine. Sometimes I even feel silly
Speaker 5: when I when I first started doing this, I remember
Speaker 5: telling my parents about it, and they were kind of like,
Speaker 5: are you sure you because I did software and that's
Speaker 5: a great living, right, and like, so you're gonna you're
Speaker 5: gonna call people on the phone and make videos like
Speaker 5: that doesn't make any sense. But it's grown to the
Speaker 5: point where we just between editing all of the videos,
Speaker 5: coming up with ideas for the videos, and then building
Speaker 5: these tools. So we haven't really talked about it. But
Speaker 5: I have to have a fake bank account because the
Speaker 5: scammers want to get on my bank and I'm not
Speaker 5: going to use my real bank. Sure, so we've had
Speaker 5: to create our own banks or things that mimic real banks,
Speaker 5: or we have to make it so we have this
Speaker 5: well wells ergo, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, I understand why he needs a lawyer to manage.
Speaker 5: Okay, the manager. I'll quickly answer the manager question that
Speaker 5: we could talk about the bank. It's just it's just
Speaker 5: grown so much to where we have a team of people.
Speaker 5: I'm not a manager. I'm a goofy guy who like
Speaker 5: I like improv and coming up with crazy ideas. I
Speaker 5: don't know how to manage people. I don't know how
Speaker 5: to keep track of business things right, lawyers, meetings, all
Speaker 5: that stuff. I'll just get trapped. Well, I say trapped.
Speaker 5: I have fun getting sucked into this all day conversation
Speaker 5: with a scammer, and I'm missing my meetings with lawyers
Speaker 5: or this type of engagement.
Speaker 4: So he's reminded, So you don't have a manager, you
Speaker 4: have a nanny, is what you're saying.
Speaker 1: He's got a team, a team of people.
Speaker 4: The weird thing would be I could use a nanny myself,
Speaker 4: I understand.
Speaker 1: But years of figuring out how to scam scammers, he's
Speaker 1: losing all his money to a terrestrial team running with
Speaker 1: what do you mean? No money? Because you're good and
Speaker 1: because I don't know what your future is And I
Speaker 1: don't mean you don't have a future. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you want to do this forever. I don't know
Speaker 1: if people are going to be tuning in forever. But
Speaker 1: because you do characters, and I know you do Edna
Speaker 1: an older woman Vernon until I'm going to offer you
Speaker 1: something right now, I don't know how well to do
Speaker 1: you are. But this man sitting next to is a
Speaker 1: acting teacher, and I don't even think that kid Boga
Speaker 1: money could afford Jason. Alexander's an acting teacher. But because
Speaker 1: he's here, if I ask him nicely to give you
Speaker 1: some advice, do your character. Do a character for him,
Speaker 1: and maybe he can give you some insight into how
Speaker 1: to make the characters more believable, how to give it
Speaker 1: a little more depth. Okay, So Jason, is that? Okay,
Speaker 1: we do. I can't mention who he hold your coaches
Speaker 1: because of hip hop, and I'll give you my.
Speaker 4: Fake bank and you can reminder it.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say it. If you want to amp
Speaker 5: it up a level too, it would take me literally
Speaker 5: thirty seconds to call a scammer. And then.
Speaker 1: No, no, we don't have time for that. Don't be
Speaker 1: don't be stupid. Okay, So your parents when you told
Speaker 1: them I'm gonna make phone calls, now they go, you
Speaker 1: know my kid does. It's a lot of money making.
Speaker 3: If we call a scammer I'm gonna play his mother.
Speaker 1: Oh, Jason, way, ja, let's do. Let's see your characters
Speaker 1: and then we'll call a scammer and Jason the spot.
Speaker 4: So who is one of your car If I call
Speaker 4: up and I go hello, who am I speaking with?
Speaker 5: I mean one of the main ones is Edna, which
Speaker 5: I have to pitch shift my voice, yes, so it's
Speaker 5: higher pitched, and then I make it behind a filter.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm sounds like an older phone or or.
Speaker 5: I can just I kind of pretend like I don't
Speaker 5: have guns. I only have guns like this.
Speaker 4: Well, let me just say right off the bat if
Speaker 4: I may you're working from the outside and not the inside,
Speaker 4: so you know you're you're affecting a physical change. But
Speaker 4: I don't know who Edna is. Do you understand what
Speaker 4: I'm saying?
Speaker 6: Totally?
Speaker 5: Yes, Edna.
Speaker 3: Tell me a little bit about Edna.
Speaker 5: Well, I have a cat. I have a cat named.
Speaker 6: Whiskers.
Speaker 4: Okay, you took a little time there coming up with
Speaker 4: mister Whiskers with no mister Whiskers in her heartbeat. She
Speaker 4: doesn't have that kind you mention. So first of all,
Speaker 4: get your story straight. Do you have a do you
Speaker 4: have a sheet a cheat sheet when you're right down
Speaker 4: the importance. Do you have like a character, kind of
Speaker 4: a character biography?
Speaker 5: I do, I used to, because I do, I have what.
Speaker 3: Was Edna's mother's name, maiden name?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 1: Pause, that's the kind of thing.
Speaker 4: The way as soon as you what did Edna have
Speaker 4: for breakfast today?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 5: A Prince movie?
Speaker 3: Okay? That was pretty good. That's pretty good. Specific and
Speaker 3: it was quick.
Speaker 1: That was good.
Speaker 5: The I did not. I don't play her as much
Speaker 5: because she was so like she I think she became so.
Speaker 1: Now if I was your parent, I'm playing parent enough
Speaker 1: with the excuse me, give us another character.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: He's already and I did. Go ahead another character.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I am my mind. This is rich My name's
Speaker 7: Richard Andrews on the seatgo of Crow Pro. It's it's
Speaker 7: a brand new AI power tool that allows you to
Speaker 7: identify the crows in your backyard. It's going to change
Speaker 7: the world.
Speaker 4: Okay, is that something you would actually say, because let
Speaker 4: me just say, as a reasonably intelligent person, I already
Speaker 4: don't buy your premise.
Speaker 3: See this is the kind of thing Joe did buy it. Well,
Speaker 3: you know what can I say about sleepy, sleepy jokes.
Speaker 1: More, give us one more character and then we'll do
Speaker 1: the call. Ye are you do you understand what we're
Speaker 1: giving you here?
Speaker 5: I'd have to ask my manager. I have no idea. Okay,
Speaker 5: I mean this was the first, the first care throughout
Speaker 5: probably head. I just tried to do some kind of
Speaker 5: strange show.
Speaker 3: Where's he from? Where's that guy from?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Loslle Kentucky?
Speaker 3: Wrong?
Speaker 5: My mother wrong, say wrong.
Speaker 4: That's not a Kentucky dialect. So you didn't study. You
Speaker 4: didn't study at all. And this is what I mean.
Speaker 4: People think they're acting kids today. People think that this
Speaker 4: is Josh, Oh, make a voice, change your voice with
Speaker 4: a machine. They don't understand the work, the background, the effort,
Speaker 4: the thought.
Speaker 3: What's your intention? What's your objective?
Speaker 1: There you go, what's You're super objective? You appreciate all this?
Speaker 1: You know'll be funny. Would be funny is watching after
Speaker 1: he enacts what you've taught him, all his numbers go
Speaker 1: into the let's make the call. On the call with
Speaker 1: you conjacon to a character.
Speaker 5: Yes, I told you would take thirty seconds. It might
Speaker 5: take me like a minute.
Speaker 1: What the hell where are we going?
Speaker 5: I will say, admittedly to a lot of what ends
Speaker 5: up happening is I tell people. To me, it's like
Speaker 5: a playground where I know what the line is sometimes
Speaker 5: with the scammer, so I know that I can't say
Speaker 5: that I'm inventing a new cryptos currency called crow coin
Speaker 5: or whatever, but I do it anyway because I'm curious
Speaker 5: to see what will they put up with it. And
Speaker 5: so sometimes I'll say, like, like.
Speaker 7: I gotta lick my cat because he doesn't lock himself,
Speaker 7: and sometimes I get hair balls and.
Speaker 5: And this like that makes no sense, whoever, who would
Speaker 5: ever do that? But the scammers, oh, you know, I
Speaker 5: have to do that too, because.
Speaker 1: Can you tell why they're not ready? Can you tell
Speaker 1: the moment where a scammer knows they're in, that the
Speaker 1: door has opened, and that they're gonna waste two days
Speaker 1: with you because they think the three hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: is coming? Can you tell when that when when it
Speaker 1: takes a turn? Yeah?
Speaker 5: When you yeah, you Usually usually there's this pause after
Speaker 5: we show uh the fake bank account. There's a lot
Speaker 5: of money in it, and sometimes they'll go from being
Speaker 5: kind of angry and aggressive too. You know, man, you
Speaker 5: remind me so much of my grandmother. Like they kind
Speaker 5: of totally shift and they'll start asking me personal questions
Speaker 5: because they're thinking, oh, now I really need to like
Speaker 5: be friends with this person and make a connection because
Speaker 5: I need to take all of their money.
Speaker 4: Sure can't tell when you get this camera on the phone,
Speaker 4: which of your characters you're going.
Speaker 6: To do.
Speaker 5: Today?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 5: It can be anything. Who do you want to play?
Speaker 4: I was going to base it off of whoever you
Speaker 4: decide you want to know? What if you if you
Speaker 4: do your old man guy, your Richard is what's his
Speaker 4: last name, Richard Andrews, Andrews, I'm going to be Maureen Andrews,
Speaker 4: your wife. I'll be Maureen Andrews the wife. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not a little older than him. What that's fine?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 5: Where did we meet? We did we bowling?
Speaker 6: High school?
Speaker 1: High school?
Speaker 3: We've been Oh my.
Speaker 1: God, what would that be be?
Speaker 3: High school? Nineteen sixty.
Speaker 5: Nineteen sixty two?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 5: I think we might need to be older than that.
Speaker 4: We might need to die in our seventies, isn't it
Speaker 4: twenty two?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Twenty two? Yeah, you're dead, you're deceased. Ay older
Speaker 1: than that.
Speaker 5: I got to go back to high school.
Speaker 3: I can't do math that yeah sixty two.
Speaker 4: We met in high school and he was, Oh my god,
Speaker 4: is he stunning.
Speaker 5: What what will probably do is if you're one of
Speaker 5: the biggest scams right now, that's just there's I get them.
Speaker 5: Every single day a message appears on your computer and
Speaker 5: it says threat detected trojan. I say, trojan, trojan, spyware
Speaker 5: and that maybe we'll do that one. That's kind of
Speaker 5: my that has a lot so the ideas. I don't
Speaker 5: know what to do.
Speaker 6: We were doing something on the computer.
Speaker 3: We're being threatened, we're being threatened, and I.
Speaker 1: Have what do you have to look up? The that
Speaker 1: you're locked out? And I'm scared to go to it
Speaker 1: because what would it be you're trying to get to it.
Speaker 1: I don't know the way.
Speaker 4: He's a professional. I'm the castello to his abboit right now.
Speaker 5: All right, let me know if you hear this, it
Speaker 5: should work.
Speaker 1: Lady and gentlemen. For the first time ever, scampating with
Speaker 1: case in Alexander and.
Speaker 5: I don't hear anything, now do you hear ringing?
Speaker 3: Ah? I thank you for calling support.
Speaker 5: I can help you.
Speaker 6: Hello Hello, Before I.
Speaker 3: Can do I can't understand him.
Speaker 6: I can hear you. I can hear you.
Speaker 5: Okay, we just email from you saying we oh a
Speaker 5: bunch of money?
Speaker 6: Can you hear us?
Speaker 3: I don't unders.
Speaker 5: Sounds kind of like a robot.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, what happened? Is this geek squad?
Speaker 3: Is he a robot?
Speaker 5: I don't know, Honey, Richard a robot? We don't pay
Speaker 5: for We don't pay for geek squad and we just
Speaker 5: got a bill.
Speaker 8: Okay, can he just confirm me the harder ID number number?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: What is he? I don't see a number or what
Speaker 3: we had was in a nicefacation. I don't see a number.
Speaker 6: Four seven, g it could be a three?
Speaker 3: Is that an en?
Speaker 7: Or?
Speaker 3: Why do we have to have another? Can you help us?
Speaker 3: Why can't he just help us?
Speaker 6: It will be a better huh?
Speaker 5: I have we can't hear you.
Speaker 3: What does he saying he's a robot? I think it's
Speaker 3: a robot.
Speaker 8: Tell me your body name, your last name.
Speaker 5: Oh andrews, he wants your last name, mister Andrew.
Speaker 3: Just hold on, okay, Richard and Maureen Andrew.
Speaker 5: Look us up. Are we in your system?
Speaker 3: And why is it take we have to be in
Speaker 3: this system. They said, give me a notification.
Speaker 5: I don't know about this. This could be one of
Speaker 5: those This could be one of those things on Facebook,
Speaker 5: you know, Maureen, it could be one of those fake things.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: If, of course, we're here, we need your.
Speaker 8: Help, okay, But right now the problem is that we
Speaker 8: found that like to be naptivated for five years.
Speaker 6: What has brought you the five.
Speaker 5: Hundred dollars five hundred you want to that? I don't
Speaker 5: know if we're going to be around for another five years.
Speaker 9: He wants five or five years, So it's gonna take
Speaker 9: five years to result.
Speaker 5: We're down there. I'm not a family anymore. We don't
Speaker 5: even buy a full loaf of bread these days. We
Speaker 5: do the half loafs I don't know about next week,
Speaker 5: let alone five years.
Speaker 4: The half the half loaf is actually far more economical.
Speaker 9: And I've told you that, and you make fun of it.
Speaker 9: He did make fun of you. Make fun of it
Speaker 9: all the time. He makes fun of it, sir. But
Speaker 9: the half, the half is the economical purchase you, sir.
Speaker 8: I just do you have any computer in part of it?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 5: So we get solved right now.
Speaker 3: We can solve it right now.
Speaker 1: That's what.
Speaker 3: You don't solve it? Yes, what is wrong with you?
Speaker 9: My god? We will not find the machine. It's right
Speaker 9: in front of the machine sentence. Okay, Oh for God's sake, Oh,
Speaker 9: for God's sake, sir, do you.
Speaker 3: He can't kill you?
Speaker 1: Know what?
Speaker 3: You've been no help to us? Whatsoever?
Speaker 4: I was willing to pay for the service if it
Speaker 4: was going to work out.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we don't want to helpless.
Speaker 1: We don't want.
Speaker 3: Goodbye, goodbye. We don't want it. We'll kick it off
Speaker 3: my machine.
Speaker 1: Let me just say for a second, guys, let me
Speaker 1: just say, I need a second to both myself, because
Speaker 1: that's all like visiting my grand product during my childhood,
Speaker 1: was my entire childhood was that? You know? I got
Speaker 1: to say, I think I'm out, Laurie. I think Peter
Speaker 1: told this out.
Speaker 4: The Technophobes, starring Get Bogga and Jason Allenson.
Speaker 3: What do you say, kid?
Speaker 1: You like the double team? Feeling better? Does it make
Speaker 1: you happier?
Speaker 5: It is fun because it creates a world for me too.
Speaker 5: So a lot of times it's just me and the scammer,
Speaker 5: and like an improv, it's what is it? Yes?
Speaker 1: And right?
Speaker 5: I've never taken any formal training. But I know, and that's.
Speaker 1: Clear, and.
Speaker 3: There are things you don't have to tell us. Kid,
Speaker 3: it's OK.
Speaker 5: But but the scammers they think it's real life. Sure,
Speaker 5: and so like sometimes I'm giving them a lot to
Speaker 5: work with. You know, I'm making up whole stories. There's
Speaker 5: I got a whole universe, and they won't give me
Speaker 5: anything back. So having a guest, well, now I could
Speaker 5: just have fun like creating.
Speaker 4: Hey listen, I can I ask one or two questions
Speaker 4: before you go to your knowledge? Have you ever been
Speaker 4: part of putting someone away or or you know, have
Speaker 4: you ever made a victim whole as a result of
Speaker 4: your work?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So they're actually one thing that's been happening, going
Speaker 5: back to that kind of AI gauntlet thing that I
Speaker 5: was talking about. These scammers are calling in thinking that
Speaker 5: they're getting bigcoin. They think that if they call the
Speaker 5: automated phone line, they'll be able to transfer the money
Speaker 5: to their bitcoin wallet. And we purposely make it so
Speaker 5: the system can't understand what they're saying. So even if
Speaker 5: they even if we do understand what they're saying, the
Speaker 5: AI will talk back and say like it'll just get
Speaker 5: confused and We did that for fun, because we thought
Speaker 5: it was funny. But then one day, all of a sudden, okay,
Speaker 5: we listened to these calls. There's an older woman on
Speaker 5: the phone here in the US, and we like, this
Speaker 5: doesn't this doesn't make any sense. Why would some old
Speaker 5: lady be calling asking And she was even saying, I
Speaker 5: want to get my bitcoin stock, like what the bitcoin stock?
Speaker 5: And so it turns out one of the scammers told her, well,
Speaker 5: if you call this number. She had lost a bunch
Speaker 5: of money from them, we're giving you this money back
Speaker 5: because they were fed up trying to clean their bitcoin
Speaker 5: and they thought the system couldn't understand. And it turns
Speaker 5: out this lady had been scammed six seven years by
Speaker 5: these guys, had no idea what was going on. So
Speaker 5: we were able to talk to her, have some people
Speaker 5: locally come and help her. And now financially it's difficult
Speaker 5: because you have to have like law enforcement or different
Speaker 5: people actually that all of the history of seven years
Speaker 5: would go through. It's complicated. But she this has now happened,
Speaker 5: I want to say, maybe a dozen times in the
Speaker 5: past couple months of these people calling in this hotline
Speaker 5: that are victims. And then we're able to.
Speaker 3: When I get something.
Speaker 4: When I get a spam message and I hit a
Speaker 4: block and report spam, does that actually help?
Speaker 3: Or am I just wasting my time? I'm sure so.
Speaker 5: I Well, from the software engineers perspective, you probably are
Speaker 5: trained some AI somewhere to help reil more effective, so.
Speaker 1: You might have Yeah, of course, weird question for you
Speaker 1: knowing that these are scammers, but also knowing the gig
Speaker 1: economy is hurting people in a lot more people are
Speaker 1: hurting and looking for a way to make a living,
Speaker 1: so there is desperation. Have you ever connected with a
Speaker 1: scammer where you felt any kind of emotional thing where
Speaker 1: you felt bad for the scammer or connected with them
Speaker 1: in a way that you wanted to actually reach out
Speaker 1: to them and maybe find out what's going on there?
Speaker 1: Or does it never get that deep? No?
Speaker 5: There There has been quite a few times when I
Speaker 5: first started, I would do what I call revealing, so
Speaker 5: I would be playing a gramper character and then all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, I would say, it's me. I got you,
Speaker 5: like you wasted four days right, the gig is up.
Speaker 5: And sometimes that would lead into some kind of heartfelt
Speaker 5: moments or some conversation because I could say what are
Speaker 5: you doing? Why are you spending? And I would get
Speaker 5: into conver I don't really do that anymore. I'll talk
Speaker 5: about why in a minute if you want to know.
Speaker 5: But the the heartfelt conversation sometimes would come out because
Speaker 5: they would say, well, I you know, it's really hard
Speaker 5: to feed my family, or I can't find any other
Speaker 5: job or whatever excuse. And sometimes they would say like,
Speaker 5: I'm really trying here, and I feel bad about it.
Speaker 5: I don't want to scam people, but so the first
Speaker 5: few times that happened, I would kind of this is
Speaker 5: just a sucky situation all around. But then I started
Speaker 5: piecing all the stories together and realizing, oh my goodness.
Speaker 5: Sometimes these scammers say that there's another scam that's part too,
Speaker 5: because they ask me for money. At the end, they're like,
Speaker 5: don't you feel bad for me to give me money.
Speaker 5: But there had been a few times. I remember one
Speaker 5: guy in particular. If you remember the IRS scams that
Speaker 5: were really big, yeah, three four years ago, I was
Speaker 5: doing a bunch of calls one day of these IRS scammers,
Speaker 5: and one guy answered the phone. He says, hello, like,
Speaker 5: I R S can help you. I'm so scared. I
Speaker 5: need but I think I'm going to prison. And he said, sir,
Speaker 5: this is a scam. Just hang up. And I would
Speaker 5: be like, what, why is this guy? And so I
Speaker 5: asked him and he said, I don't want to do this.
Speaker 5: This call isn't recorded. I'm just telling everyone to hang
Speaker 5: up and collecting my paycheck. Good for that guy, which.
Speaker 4: I will tell you if this doesn't work out. I
Speaker 4: do think you have a future in my world.
Speaker 3: I really do.
Speaker 4: I think our kitcom is viable and when the strike
Speaker 4: is over, I'm gonna go pitch we worked. I would
Speaker 4: be honored.
Speaker 3: Well God, you know, thank you for this word.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're you're having fun and and you're making
Speaker 4: a living doing it, butfully you're doing you're doing God's work.
Speaker 4: I mean, if I'm just a small sample and I
Speaker 4: don't fall for it, but I can certainly imagine people
Speaker 4: who can get ruined by this kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And if mostly at the terres there's an awareness of
Speaker 1: people listening, Oh my god, I just did that happened
Speaker 1: to me. Subscribe at kit Boga show on Twitter at
Speaker 1: kid Boga and he's on Twitch, he's on TikTok and
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on your time. Man. Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that that was that was a ton of fun.
Speaker 1: First off, let me just say you're not bad and acting.
Speaker 1: I was pushing to you, but that was pretty fun.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Without benefit of groundling training or anything like that,
Speaker 3: only in character.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I will reveal to the listener
Speaker 1: and viewing audience that was a cheap a character.
Speaker 3: That's my mother, because I know your mother. My mother
Speaker 3: is not that whinny. I my mother.
Speaker 1: This is the truth.
Speaker 3: We are recording this everybody on August twenty eight, right,
Speaker 3: and my mother passed away on this day. No, so
Speaker 3: that was like an honor to her and my mother.
Speaker 4: My mother would always say to me, I don't sound
Speaker 4: like that. I don't sound like that, and I go, no,
Speaker 4: you're right, but I make you, I make you funnier.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: It's funny that we're talking about scams. The big HBO
Speaker 1: series right is Telemarketers, which is if you haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: you should. I'm not all in all because it's it.
Speaker 1: It shows these rooms where these people are just reaching
Speaker 1: out and now they're doing sea packs. They're doing political
Speaker 1: They're faking people calling staying they're a political pack. And
Speaker 1: lying and taking all of the money. Because of the
Speaker 1: HBO show, they opened an investigation into that company, and
Speaker 1: I think these guys got fined an enormous amount of money.
Speaker 1: But you're talking about tens of millions of dollars that
Speaker 1: they're calling staying there for eternal order of polices?
Speaker 3: Can I just I mean, I know this. I don't
Speaker 3: want to be indelicate about this, but.
Speaker 4: When I watched Kits some of his Twister stuff, and today,
Speaker 4: everybody that I've seen him talk to has some sort
Speaker 4: of Indian or that region of the world accent.
Speaker 3: Is that because you know, they come here and and
Speaker 3: there's just not a lot of work opportunity or or
Speaker 3: are they countries or.
Speaker 1: A lot of them are countries that are there are
Speaker 1: povery stricken and.
Speaker 3: Legitimately I noticed that too.
Speaker 4: If I if I call actual tech support or customer support,
Speaker 4: it's sourced out and I'll hear that accent as well.
Speaker 3: So I'm not you know, I don't know a.
Speaker 1: Lot of the countries that are impoverished, they have they
Speaker 1: do this and because it's it's an easy scam to do.
Speaker 1: You just need a phone, you need a list, and
Speaker 1: it's there, and that was one of the pushbacks on
Speaker 1: revenge scamming, where they're saying it can be racist because
Speaker 1: of it a peer that you're targeting certain groups of
Speaker 1: people or certain countries whatever. So there's that, there's the
Speaker 1: overstepping of the laws.
Speaker 6: What do you do?
Speaker 1: Why not you just turn them in, et cetera. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because other countries, like you said, Browning in Britain can
Speaker 1: do different stuff that he can't do. In some countries
Speaker 1: you can do revenge.
Speaker 4: Well, that's the other thing I would have if I
Speaker 4: wanted to create a scammering like this, I would outsource
Speaker 4: it to places where I don't think the law could touch.
Speaker 1: Exactly so or even trapped or even track them down.
Speaker 1: Do you know what a brushing skim? This is the
Speaker 1: newest thing. I think Laurie had this happen to produce lawier.
Speaker 1: Do you know what the brushing scam is? Brushing scam
Speaker 1: is when you get packages delivered to your house from
Speaker 1: Amazon that you didn't order, and they're usually lightweight, they
Speaker 1: don't cost much, and you get to keep them because
Speaker 1: the law says they're yours. These third parties sometimes it's
Speaker 1: a legitimate company, it's sending it to you, so they
Speaker 1: can then say they got their sales orders up, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. Number two though, if you accept it, they
Speaker 1: know somebody is there, they know who that is, they
Speaker 1: know what you've done. Now you're on a list, a
Speaker 1: mailing list of more for more scams. It's a way
Speaker 1: for them to test whether you returned it or not.
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many layers.
Speaker 4: Now you go, I'm sending back the scarf, I'm sending
Speaker 4: anybody listening, I'm sending.
Speaker 1: Back the scarf. And then there's there's the other part
Speaker 1: of this, which is revenge. Why do we do revenge?
Speaker 1: I looked up a lot of studies. It's that immediately
Speaker 1: after revenge, it feels good, but there's remorse after the fact.
Speaker 3: The humans because what he's doing revenge.
Speaker 1: It is revenge. How it is revenge.
Speaker 3: It's vengeance. That's vengeance.
Speaker 1: It's going to people that have been scammed and revenge
Speaker 1: through society came up to keep society in order. You
Speaker 1: were you, you you retaliate against somebody who's done the
Speaker 1: commune You're small group wrong to show the group that
Speaker 1: in the future you're not going to put up with
Speaker 1: that stuff. But today, when it's remote and you're not
Speaker 1: affected by it face to face. What's the what's the
Speaker 1: revenge hit that we're getting. As far as the endorsement, well,
Speaker 1: you know, he's what what kid is doing.
Speaker 4: And I get it because it really is like the
Speaker 4: phony phone calls we did as a kid, which we're
Speaker 4: we're wasting somebody's time.
Speaker 3: It's it's you're goofing on somebody.
Speaker 4: And because it gives you a sense of I know
Speaker 4: what I'm doing, I'm in on the joke, this person's not.
Speaker 3: There is something about it's.
Speaker 4: It's it's that thing where when you were a kid,
Speaker 4: if you weren't the one being bullied, but you were
Speaker 4: in the group, you felt somehow safe and superior. And
Speaker 4: young people make that mistake all the time of going well,
Speaker 4: I wasn't doing it, I wasn't the bully, but you
Speaker 4: weren't stopping it bringer and you were participating, even in silence.
Speaker 3: And why do we do that?
Speaker 4: I think it's because in that moment, you do feel empowered,
Speaker 4: you feel part of a community, you have power and purpose,
Speaker 4: and there's there's somebody who's taken the brunt of it
Speaker 4: and it's not you, And it's a lot of that
Speaker 4: shot and for aut a kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Scam scams and scammers against scammers is growing because people
Speaker 1: feel government's not doing anything, so it's so pervasive. Tech
Speaker 1: world isn't doing anything, so screw it. I'll do that.
Speaker 1: By the way, there are scams that were okay with
Speaker 1: when you think about it. We live with scams all
Speaker 1: the time. College book scam where you pay a fortune
Speaker 1: for the college books that you need. Insurance scam. You
Speaker 1: pay every day for your insurance for your car, then
Speaker 1: you have a little fender bender and they raise your rate.
Speaker 1: And health insurance they hire people to turn down your claim,
Speaker 1: say why you're ineligible for that drug, but you've been
Speaker 1: paying all on.
Speaker 3: Well, the scams that I liked more and this is
Speaker 3: not my observation.
Speaker 4: I think it may have been Robert Klein who did
Speaker 4: this thing about you pay more for an unlisted number.
Speaker 4: And he called me said, what's that, head labor, What
Speaker 4: do you a somebody to run around and erase my
Speaker 4: number out of the phone.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about that?
Speaker 4: You know it used to be you could there's a
Speaker 4: thing now where if you no, not now because they
Speaker 4: fixed it, but it used to be.
Speaker 3: If you if you checked your own items at the supermarket.
Speaker 1: They charge you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a day they charged you because you
Speaker 3: weren't letting them.
Speaker 1: How about a sharing charge you at a restaurant. You said,
Speaker 1: we're gona go to split this make up. We gott
Speaker 1: add five.
Speaker 4: And I was just in New Jersey. I had to
Speaker 4: gas up my rental car. You're not allowed to pump
Speaker 4: your own gas in New Jersey. You're not allowed to
Speaker 4: pump your own Really, no, really, you're not allowed to
Speaker 4: pump your own gas. A guy came out and said,
Speaker 4: can I help you?
Speaker 3: Went no?
Speaker 1: Is that because way? Wait rightly?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 1: Is that because they feel New Jersey? If you're not
Speaker 1: capable or no, go to Googleheim. Let's go to Google
Speaker 1: Home to wrap this thing up. David Googleheim. What do
Speaker 1: you got?
Speaker 10: Yes, well, uh, New Jersey is one of the only
Speaker 10: I believe actually, New Jersey is the last state in
Speaker 10: the country.
Speaker 1: You can't.
Speaker 3: I did not know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a job job creating.
Speaker 10: Oh okay, all right, all right, all right, all the
Speaker 10: good gas pumping jobs.
Speaker 1: You have to chip.
Speaker 4: Chip the guy you want to call the tipping expert
Speaker 4: we spoke to.
Speaker 3: Yes, you gotta you gotta give them too.
Speaker 4: You gotta give them a buck something, siphon the stuff
Speaker 4: out there?
Speaker 1: What else you got? Well, before we go.
Speaker 3: On, I just want to make sure is my camera running? Yes, Well,
Speaker 3: why don't you go outside and catch it?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 1: We gotta go. I don't know. I think you to
Speaker 1: joke book online something. I don't know what happened either
Speaker 1: that or did you have a.
Speaker 4: Strong What are you doing David to say, you're talking
Speaker 4: about old scams, the old scam my camera?
Speaker 3: Well let him out. For God's sake, you okay, I
Speaker 3: get it, I get you should do it this way.
Speaker 1: No, I don't have them all right, David, we're hitting
Speaker 1: home runs, baby, Yeah, I.
Speaker 11: Know that's it for me.
Speaker 1: Wow, that was the prep you said, I can't talk
Speaker 1: now I'm prepping into the show. That was it.
Speaker 3: I had prep.
Speaker 10: I actually looked into the early days of vigilanteism in
Speaker 10: this country, and you know what, it's it's.
Speaker 3: Really dark for a comedy podcast. It's gonna go.
Speaker 1: We're doing a whole episode just on.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 10: The vigilante thing is really I'll tell you what. One
Speaker 10: of the there was something called the Vigilante Committees.
Speaker 2: This was something in the seventeen.
Speaker 10: Hundreds that became very popular throughout the entire country. One
Speaker 10: of the heads of one of the committees. His name
Speaker 10: was Colonel Charles Lynch.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh boy, it's great, David. I think you
Speaker 1: could see you know what that's always go out in high.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Charles Lynch, Well, he might be brown. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: wow wow. That's why I went with the joke.
Speaker 4: Here's my question about you know, vigilantes and revenge and
Speaker 4: all that stuff. When did you When did it change
Speaker 4: where you have to be a septagenarian to be a
Speaker 4: really good revenge taker, Because according to the movies Clint Eastwood, Well, Clinian,
Speaker 4: Watch Out, Liam Neeson, Denzel Washington, even Keanu Reeves is
Speaker 4: you know he's he's pushing it. He's in his fifties.
Speaker 4: Now I'm going when it used to be. Even Charles
Speaker 4: Bronson and Death Wish. You know, he was even not
Speaker 4: a young sprite.
Speaker 1: Now it's I'm coming to get you. Give me a hand.
Speaker 4: Mason walks in. I give him a nill away for
Speaker 4: and a cup of tea? Am I really worried about?
Speaker 1: There's a new taking coming on score Taking eight and
Speaker 1: Lisa says keeper just keeping it too. I got leg cramps.
Speaker 4: It's what is really called taking eight I'm taking the money,
Speaker 4: That's what it's called taking.
Speaker 1: I have leg cramps. Do you have a beverage? Do
Speaker 1: you have any kind of beverage or something in the banana?
Speaker 1: I need I need some potassium.
Speaker 3: We have your granddaughter, I have a granddaughter, you know,
Speaker 3: or somebody else.
Speaker 1: Clint Eastwood, maybe you'll be and cliste. What's going. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in a comfortable chair. I'm not getting up bright.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can keep have a particular set of skills.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what they are. So so final thoughts,
Speaker 3: I like, what the man does I really do?
Speaker 2: It is?
Speaker 4: You know, I'm on the fence a little bit because
Speaker 4: it's a little childish, but to the extent that he
Speaker 4: is making victims whole, and that he is aiding law
Speaker 4: enforcement in finding out who these guys are because they're
Speaker 4: all breaking the law. That's the you know, that's the
Speaker 4: longest short of it. We call them scammers.
Speaker 1: We have all kinds of the names.
Speaker 3: They're criminals.
Speaker 4: If it's like and I don't care how desperate they are,
Speaker 4: If they go I was really desperate, That's why I
Speaker 4: broke into your house, then you know cleaned you out.
Speaker 3: I like what he's doing. I think it's I.
Speaker 1: Say, what's the door and this? And I will wrap
Speaker 1: this up, but I got to say how adorable it is.
Speaker 1: And this is why he's my best friend. I've done
Speaker 1: interviews for a long time when the reader, so I've
Speaker 1: interviewed a ton of people who do amazing things, remarkable stuff,
Speaker 1: weird stuff. Because this is kind of new to you.
Speaker 1: When we have on somebody who does gene editing or
Speaker 1: like this guy, you're always you're doing them, You're doing
Speaker 1: God's you're doing, You're doing amazing stuff. I'm so much
Speaker 1: more cynical, not that he's not doing interesting stuff. But
Speaker 1: I always parson with you found a scammer, Paul, the
Speaker 1: f behind report him and they'll go after him. Get
Speaker 1: the money. Yet he's making And I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: negative what he's doing. It's just I always reserve before
Speaker 1: I go, sir, I'm putting all my money and investing
Speaker 1: in what you're doing to help. There are still questions
Speaker 1: for me. He's making better living than scammers, right, but
Speaker 1: but he could be donating. I'm not saying he's there's
Speaker 1: anything negative. I'm just a little bit more reserved with
Speaker 1: the you're doing. You're doing God's work than you are,
Speaker 1: but you have you. I guess when you do so
Speaker 1: many of these, you lose your innocence just a bit.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: I will always say for anybody that winds up doing anything,
Speaker 4: I'll tell you why. You know how many people have
Speaker 4: come to me and said, you're an angel on Gods.
Speaker 4: I go, I'm just doing a set, I'm just doing
Speaker 4: a play.
Speaker 3: I'm just doing a thing.
Speaker 4: But you're you're do but you're touching me, you're giving
Speaker 4: me mon So he's he's doing the same thing. He's
Speaker 4: just doing him what he does, but what he does
Speaker 4: winds up benefiting.
Speaker 1: Team are helping people making benefiting. If you do the sitcom,
Speaker 1: we were all there were all part of it, everything
Speaker 1: the other room, we all get a piece.
Speaker 4: I also want to know if I go to the
Speaker 4: Devryan Institute for the two week course, am I able
Speaker 4: to where banks guy he's got a computer and a computer,
Speaker 4: he's got.
Speaker 1: A link to a chain, to a thing to a
Speaker 1: fake phone, says you and I when we see printer
Speaker 1: needs tarner.
Speaker 2: We go on.
Speaker 1: All right, And this has been another episode of really
Speaker 1: really thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3: Thanks now really.
Speaker 2: As another episode. If Really you Know Really comes to
Speaker 2: a close, I bet you're wondering what the top five
Speaker 2: scams are. I'll tell you in a moment, but first
Speaker 2: I'd like to think our guest, Kit Boga. He's on
Speaker 2: Twitch dot tv, slash kit Boga, at kit Boga Show
Speaker 2: on YouTube, and at the Kit Boga Show on TikTok.
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Speaker 3: And now some of the top five scams.
Speaker 11: The cryptocurrency romance scam, the student loan forgiveness scam, the
Speaker 11: fake antivirus software scam, the classic Nigerian print scam, and
Speaker 11: the free gift QR code scam.
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