WEBVTT - Kitboga: Scam Baiting + Jason the Vigilante 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:04.720 Really now really. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:11.440 Really no really, Hello, and welcome to really know Really 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:15.160 with Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden. In today's episode, you'll 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:18.880 meet an influencer who's millions of followers tune in to 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:23.040 watch him scam the scammers, and you'll learn about the 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.120 never before revealed technology he developed. 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:27.240 Plus you'll meet. 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:31.240 His wife, who it turns out is actually Jason Alexander. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:33.800 Really now really. 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:39.080 We'll also discuss why vengeance feels so good and why 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:43.120 movie studios think that vigilantes should be members of the AARP. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:47.200 Now Here are your hosts, who also more than qualify 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:53.840 for the AARP. Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden No really, Well. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:56.160 Whether you want it or not, we're back, folks. 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:58.960 This is really no really. I am Jason Alexander and 0:00:59.000 --> 0:00:59.440 sitting to. 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.280 My immediate Peter told me, Peter, and happy to be 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:06.480 here and with us today is a guest who the 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.960 really really is Really there are scammers who are scamming 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.200 the scammers. We did not know this, but then again, 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:13.800 in the technological. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.240 World, we don't know anything. We don't know, we don't 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:16.119 know much, we know nothing. 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.160 You do know that scamming is a plague. I am 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.800 privy to it all the time. I get calls about 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.880 how a car I don't own the warranty is running 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.120 out call. I get things on my phone that says, 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.880 if your account is being deleted, if you don't tap 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.840 this right now, I know well enough to not get involved. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:34.120 But it is relentless. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:36.679 It happens all the time, and people have it far 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:37.240 worse than I do. 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:38.440 Where they get, you know. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.199 And there's billions, it's a billion maybe even a trillion 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.560 dollar industry. We're going to talk about that. We're going 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.480 to talk about the people who do stand up. What 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.520 kind of personality stands up to injustice? Is that you 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:48.840 were me? 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.840 And this kind of injustice? I wouldn't know where to begin, all. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:54.640 Right, So let's say hi to our guest. Our guest 0:01:54.720 --> 0:02:00.000 is Kid berga who's a super star right wearing sun. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.760 Although I'm imagining Kid Booge's probably something like kid is 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.560 going to be short for something like Christopher. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.639 Sometimes a kit oga might be a thing. 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:15.600 No, no, no, all right, no, no, how did you 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.600 come up with introduce the man first? You interrupted? 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.560 Nobody knows that they have no reference. 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:27.880 Here's Aaron Schlossberg. He's got how many followers do you 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.160 have now on your you're on your channel. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.840 You know I don't keep track. I would, I know, 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.399 keep tracking relatively. 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:37.639 Way above that million. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:39.200 Four million? 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:41.519 All right, you'll let him know that. 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:43.320 Yeah, when I have four million, I won't keep tracking. 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.840 Yeah, don't keep I guess anything over three million, you go, okay, 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.000 tell them that you're on and he's done. He's got 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.840 videos on YouTube. You can't. You can't believe of him. 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:56.200 The intent is to waste scammers time, have them give up. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.920 He also has closed down bank accounts. And I know 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.079 you're you're working on some new stuff, new technology that's 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.799 AI driven, and you've got a team working with you. Whatever. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.760 So welcome to the show. Thank you for being on. 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.000 And by the way, let me tell you starting right off, 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:14.880 for those watching on YouTube, the sunglasses perfect disguise I have. 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.480 If this guy was my best friend, if he's my brother, 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.440 I wouldn't know who that was. I wouldn't know who 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:20.840 he was. It's fantastic. 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:24.000 Like Clark's, anonymity is the key to what he does. 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.800 If I did what you do, everybody from high school 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:28.520 will go that's Peter Tilden, right. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.560 I know this guy do you're not gett A couple 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.360 of years back, I went to so I stream this 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:39.040 live sometimes I'm on Twitch, and I went to a 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.360 big convention for Twitch streamers, and if I had my 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.160 glasses on, people knew who I was. So if I 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.000 wanted to get across the convention hall, I would just 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.120 take my glasses off. And no one had any idea. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:51.600 Podcast Clock and Superman. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:55.760 We're finding out the tech world. Yeah, Genie, not well 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.680 where I'm a little weak exactly. So let's let's start. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.200 I know story, but why don't you tell it how 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.800 you got started because your grandmother was scammed? Correct? 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:11.160 Yeah, so both grandparents had dementia and Alzheimer's as they 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.760 got older, and you know, I'm not sure if they 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.240 got scammed by a tech support scammer per se, but 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:22.680 they had all sorts of telephone scams and everything you 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.599 could think of at the time. I remember one time 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.479 we went to visit her and she had these rose bushes, 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.560 this beautiful garden that she took care of, and there 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:36.200 was a gardener, like in her front yard in real life, 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.599 taking her rose bushes out and putting them in the 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.960 back of his trailer. And I remember thinking that's strange. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.960 And I asked her about it and she said, oh, 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.520 he said they're diseased or something, and like, I got 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:52.200 to get rid of them. But it was just this 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.520 dude taking her rose bushes. Probably I don't know if 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.600 he's going to try to re sell them or use 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:02.279 them somewhere else. She had multiple cable packages, multiple phone lines, 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:06.760 multiple Internet plans, which those are just scummy sales guys 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:13.279 selling her things she doesn't need. But there's this realization that, man, 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.880 if my grandma was still around, the first time I 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.640 ever heard one of these tech supports scammers, I knew 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.440 that she would have fallen for it, and she would 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.440 have had no clue what was going on, and she 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.800 would have said, this is actually Microsoft. That was kind 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:30.839 of the big catalyst. 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.240 So you jumped in and you created this persona. And 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.440 if you look at the videos, it looks because you're 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.320 almost like an improv actor. You enjoy keeping these people on. 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.880 And what's the longest you've kept somebody on so far? 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.880 Well, all in one shot maybe like six hours, but 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:56.640 over the course of multiple calls, something like fifty two 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.040 hours of phone calls. 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.280 Well, the one that I that I watched was. 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.840 This guy, this guy with a clearly East Indian accent, 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:14.839 was presenting himself as Joe Biden. And yes, and that 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:19.000 guy bitcoin scam I guess is what that was all about. 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.159 But that was and it was clear that what I 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.680 was watching was happening over weeks. 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:24.359 You know. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.240 Well, well eventually we figured out that it wasn't Biden. Yes, 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.320 and that's not the first time that I've had a 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:37.279 scammer pretend to be the president, or we've had them 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.320 do all kinds of crazy situations. So to back up 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.839 a little, I didn't when I first started doing this. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.679 I it was like an adventure. I had no idea 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.120 what I was doing. I picked up a phone call 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.200 or picked up my phone, and I tried to find 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.279 a tech support scammer because I had I had heard 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:00.840 about it. I saw some recording of a it's called Hey, 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:05.080 it's Lenny. It's this recording of an older gentleman that 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.000 they would play for telemarketers, and it was a recording 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.800 of him talking to a tech support scammer. And then 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.720 it took me maybe five minutes to find a phone 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.840 number to call, and I picked it up and I called, 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.320 and this guy tells me, yes, I'm from Microsoft. You 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.120 have viruses on your computer. Let me connect and fix it. 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.440 And I hung up because I didn't know what else 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:26.680 to do. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:27.720 Right, what else? 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:32.200 But I remember just running up stairs and saying to 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:36.320 my wife, oh my gosh, there are these scammers. They're everywhere. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.400 I gotta do something about it. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:38.720 Right. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.560 But in the beginning, it was just me doing my voice. 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:44.680 I didn't really know what I was doing. I had 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:48.240 a fake computer, a virtual computer that I would let 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:52.360 them on. But then after ten or fifteen minutes, they 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:56.160 would usually hang up. And I realized, well, if I 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.400 do something to my voice, I sound a little bit 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:04.400 older or whatever. Now the scammers think I'm a better target. 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.480 And as time progressed it, Yeah, we kind of honed 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:12.320 in on being able to take them down some crazy stories. 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:12.880 For sure. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.720 What what just because it hit me in the head 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.800 of what is a virtual computer? 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:19.360 What's a fake? 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:21.440 Good? Good? 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.880 I'm glad you asked, because I just say it, and 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:29.080 I yeah, So a virtual machine is another way to 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:33.520 describe it. But I kind of have a computer inside 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.880 of my computer, it's a whole other place. So it 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:42.079 looks like Windows, and it essentially is Windows. But if 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.880 the scammers delete all of my files, which they do 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.760 all the time, or upload a virus or something like that. 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:53.120 I can just turn that computer off and start over afresh, 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.440 like nothing ever happened. It's like a wow. 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:57.640 Is that you do? You have to? 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:00.720 I'm I'm a moron with computers? 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:01.000 Is that? 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:01.840 Is that? 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:02.040 It? 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:06.320 That sounds like something everybody should have, right, I mean. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.800 Oh good. You know it's a bummer that you can't 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:14.440 really do that with your everyday computer. But usually they're 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.280 used for more just in the development world or in 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.560 the cloud or I have a background in software engineering, 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:23.880 so it was something that I just knew about. 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:24.200 Yeah. 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.520 I had three years of theater training at Boston University, 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.040 so I feel you and I can talk pretty much 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:31.719 on the same You. 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.880 Learned a lot about computers there, Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.000 Absolutely, psychology degree here, so. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.520 Since it was in the eighties, we're out with my 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.280 psychology degree, Jason. I. 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.400 As far as tech, we go, Hello help me? 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:44.679 Yeah, I know to call again. 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:48.640 So you're obviously tech savvy. You're dealing with some really 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.960 bad guys. I mean, and if you listen again, you 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.040 should go online and listen to some of his calls 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:56.120 because there. There's an entertainment value to this. It's huge. 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.000 You have millions of people watching you do it. So 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.960 there's also catharsists that people feel because you're doing stuff 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.160 that they guess that law enforcement can't do, that government 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.160 can't do because these scams are so prevalent, they don't 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.079 have the time, et cetera. So, yeah, these guys are 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.800 so good, though, have you ever gotten scared where you went? Uh? Oh, 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.160 this guy has infiltrated and is smart, and I think 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:18.320 I may be at risk here. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:24.760 It definitely early on, this was Yeah, By twenty seventeen 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.080 was when I really started. Remember there was a day 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.360 where these scammers had logged into their PayPal account on 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:36.200 my virtual computer, and I don't know if they just 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.959 forgot that they were on my computer, because if you 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:41.880 don't know this, a lot of times they will connect 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:46.560 to your personal computer using some kind of virtual or 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.960 like a remote control software so they can give you 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:54.120 support for another place. Well, maybe they got mixed up 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.520 and they're lugging into their company's PayPal on my computer. 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.599 Well I can just cut them off. So I disconnected 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:05.000 their connection and I'm thinking, oh, well, now I have 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.160 access to all of their finances. Maybe I can refund 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:13.600 people or contact PayPal. But I foolish me, you know, 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.360 being new at this, I said, oh, you made a 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.920 big mistake. Like on the phone, I just said, like, 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.520 you guys messed up. I'm on your you know I'm 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:26.080 on your account. And they started saying like, I know 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.240 exactly who you are, I know where you live, I 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:33.839 have your IP address. You made a mistake too, I'm 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.360 going to come get your kids. And I have kids, 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.840 and the things that they're saying were very vague, but 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:41.960 they would say like I know that you're I know 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.880 that you have a laptop, which I wasn't using laptop, 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.680 but I did have a laptop next to me. And 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.080 at the time, I remember being like, oh, no, I've 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.199 made a mistake. I literally hung up the phone, called 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:59.440 tried calling like the FBI local field office, and I'm 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.800 calling the police, thinking I'm going they're gonna come take 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.280 a hit on me. But then I realized they were 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.000 just nervous and trying to make me scared, and they 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:12.120 had no clue what they were talking about. And now 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:13.960 that I've done this for a while, I've kind of 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:19.520 realized most of the individuals I talked to are kind 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:24.840 of low on the run of these organizations, and they're 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:29.880 like kids out of college trying to make away in 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.400 the scam world or whatever it would be. But it's 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:36.040 not this mafia crime lord situation. 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.360 Yeah, you're not talking to Don Corleon. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:53.199 Yeah, So what can you do as you navigate this legally? 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.440 You can't turn on somebody's camera to see what they're doing. 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.880 I mean, what's the line ethically that you decide or 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.200 this the law decide for you. What you can do? 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.080 It can't do to these people. I know sometimes I 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.240 think I read that you refinded people some money. 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.199 Yeah, it's a good question. So I've tried to stay 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:17.880 on the correct side of the law. And it's different 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:21.640 in every state, it's different in every country, so it 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.720 could be tricky. It's also I've talked to various lawyers 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.480 over the years about it, and they tell me that 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:31.720 it's a literal gray area, like it's there's some of 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.360 this stuff the law and the precedent that they have. 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.080 Well, you're you're kind of here. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.840 I was going to say, you're your your your borderline 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:44.000 or over the border of vigilanteism, which technically is. 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:48.440 Not legal for sure, So I personally, what. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.200 You can do before somebody goes no, I've got you now, 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:52.320 is you just crossed. 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:57.200 I've tried to stay pretty clear on the side of well, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.360 basically every state in every country has a law about 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:05.360 accessing someone's computer without their consent, right, So I don't 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.040 do that. I don't connect to their computer because I 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:09.439 clearly don't have their consent. 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:09.920 Right. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.520 There's things like that, Well, could I upload some kind 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.800 of backdoor mailware to get inside of their computer? Even 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.400 though that's not my expertise. Sure, I probably could, or 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.640 I could have a friend help me do that, but 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.640 I don't because technically that's illegal for me, and it's 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.800 just one of those well it's a gray area maybe 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:33.920 because you could say, well, the guy's a criminal, what's 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:38.840 he gonna do? Come sue you? Yeah, But I just 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.640 have stayed away from that, and I've found that there's 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.240 other ways that I can still be effective in trying 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:51.320 to gather information. So I kind of hack them mentally. 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:55.360 That sounds maybe bad, but like social engineering is the term. 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.160 So if you could imagine, if I'm playing an older 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.520 character and they really think that I'm the perfect victim, 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.320 They're going to ask me to wire money to their 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.600 bank account, and then they're going to give me their 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.920 bank account, and sometimes will give me multiple bank accounts 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:18.320 or addresses or all kinds of bitcoin wallets and things 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.080 that then I can turn over to law enforcement or 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.440 bank fraud people and then they can do whatever they 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.200 need to do, and they have the legal ability to 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:27.560 do it. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:32.480 So you just facility facilitate that. Now. I know, as 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.880 I talk to your manager briefly, he said, you created 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.000 this AI using AI. Now we started by saying you 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:39.960 kept people on the phone for two hours. Now you 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.600 have the ability to keep somebody on almost indefinitely if 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.160 they'll stay on correct, which it's like gauntlet that you created. 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:51.000 Yeah, so this is actually I don't think I've talked 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:55.080 about it before, and there's no YouTube videos about it yet, 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.920 so soon I will probably put this out there. I 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.360 think what he may have been referring to is something 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.400 that I call the gauntlet because I don't know what 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:08.680 else to call it. But it's a kind of like 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:14.600 a trap where the scammers let me back up for 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.560 a second. So lately the scammers want me to pay 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.920 with bitcoin, I say me, but I play the victim, right, 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.160 I call up. I fall for their scam, and then 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.160 they'll say, go take some money out of your bank, 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.360 go to a bitcoin ATM. I don't know if you 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.320 know much about those. I literally have never even seen 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.280 one physically in real life. Wow, but they do exist. 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:42.360 So you go to this gas station. It's a kind 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.200 of like an ATM machine. You put cash in it, 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.360 and you can purchase bitcoin and send it to anyone 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.880 essentially instantly. So at the end you get a receipt, 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.320 and the scammers want that receipt because it has some 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.000 proof for sometimes a QR code that they can scan 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.920 and now have your money. So we thought, what if 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:09.320 we fake this receipt. We photoshop a fake looking receipt 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.560 and that QR code is actually just a link to 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:16.040 our website, and the one eight hundred number on the 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.439 receipt is actually just my one eight hundred number with 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.320 an AI like system that we talk to them. And 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:29.320 so we made this whole essentially fake company that makes 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.440 it look like you are getting bitcoin. But in reality. 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.560 That is fantastic and I'm fascinated. But I have to 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.680 go back one step, one step. 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:49.040 You have a manager. What am I missing? Do you get? 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.920 What are you doing commercials and speaking engagements and what 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:53.760 is your managers? 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.200 What I think, by the way, am baiting maybe more 0:17:58.240 --> 0:17:59.760 lucrative than what I'm doing. 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.320 What you're doing, I mean, what is what is your 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:04.800 manager managing? 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:10.119 It's honestly, no, that's fine. Sometimes I even feel silly 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:11.879 when I when I first started doing this, I remember 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:14.439 telling my parents about it, and they were kind of like, 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.080 are you sure you because I did software and that's 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.480 a great living, right, and like, so you're gonna you're 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.679 gonna call people on the phone and make videos like 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.679 that doesn't make any sense. But it's grown to the 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:33.359 point where we just between editing all of the videos, 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:37.040 coming up with ideas for the videos, and then building 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.439 these tools. So we haven't really talked about it. But 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.199 I have to have a fake bank account because the 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.040 scammers want to get on my bank and I'm not 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.400 going to use my real bank. Sure, so we've had 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:53.479 to create our own banks or things that mimic real banks, 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.840 or we have to make it so we have this 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.199 well wells ergo, I. 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:03.560 Mean, I understand why he needs a lawyer to manage. 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.520 Okay, the manager. I'll quickly answer the manager question that 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.960 we could talk about the bank. It's just it's just 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.119 grown so much to where we have a team of people. 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.919 I'm not a manager. I'm a goofy guy who like 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:21.320 I like improv and coming up with crazy ideas. I 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.360 don't know how to manage people. I don't know how 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:28.800 to keep track of business things right, lawyers, meetings, all 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.800 that stuff. I'll just get trapped. Well, I say trapped. 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.679 I have fun getting sucked into this all day conversation 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.080 with a scammer, and I'm missing my meetings with lawyers 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:40.760 or this type of engagement. 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.480 So he's reminded, So you don't have a manager, you 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:46.040 have a nanny, is what you're saying. 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:48.440 He's got a team, a team of people. 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.920 The weird thing would be I could use a nanny myself, 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:52.600 I understand. 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.640 But years of figuring out how to scam scammers, he's 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:59.800 losing all his money to a terrestrial team running with 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:05.320 what do you mean? No money? Because you're good and 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.680 because I don't know what your future is And I 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:09.280 don't mean you don't have a future. I don't know 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:10.760 if you want to do this forever. I don't know 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.840 if people are going to be tuning in forever. But 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:14.840 because you do characters, and I know you do Edna 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.399 an older woman Vernon until I'm going to offer you 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:19.280 something right now, I don't know how well to do 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.439 you are. But this man sitting next to is a 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.240 acting teacher, and I don't even think that kid Boga 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.960 money could afford Jason. Alexander's an acting teacher. But because 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.199 he's here, if I ask him nicely to give you 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.600 some advice, do your character. Do a character for him, 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:34.760 and maybe he can give you some insight into how 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:37.399 to make the characters more believable, how to give it 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:39.880 a little more depth. Okay, So Jason, is that? Okay, 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:43.200 we do. I can't mention who he hold your coaches 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:44.760 because of hip hop, and I'll give you my. 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:48.159 Fake bank and you can reminder it. 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.560 I was gonna say it. If you want to amp 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.440 it up a level too, it would take me literally 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.640 thirty seconds to call a scammer. And then. 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:00.520 No, no, we don't have time for that. Don't be 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:02.919 don't be stupid. Okay, So your parents when you told 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:04.760 them I'm gonna make phone calls, now they go, you 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:07.080 know my kid does. It's a lot of money making. 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:08.960 If we call a scammer I'm gonna play his mother. 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:14.199 Oh, Jason, way, ja, let's do. Let's see your characters 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:19.439 and then we'll call a scammer and Jason the spot. 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:22.000 So who is one of your car If I call 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:23.720 up and I go hello, who am I speaking with? 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.399 I mean one of the main ones is Edna, which 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:32.520 I have to pitch shift my voice, yes, so it's 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:38.679 higher pitched, and then I make it behind a filter. 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:43.000 Mm hmm sounds like an older phone or or. 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:46.120