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Speaker 1: But before we go any further, Dan Rubinstein. Three things

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Speaker 1: to know this Friday morning. Number One, state of the Union,

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Speaker 1: our college athletes on the verge of unionizing. Second, the

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Speaker 1: luxury of time. Dan Hancock, my boy says he is

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Speaker 1: in no rush to update the college football playoff per

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Speaker 1: their news timeline and Numero trace. I'm just gonna call

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Speaker 1: it pot luck because we are joined the entire show

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Speaker 1: by our good friend Andy Staples over at the athletic

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Speaker 1: from The Andy Staples Show. We're just gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: whatever we want to talk about here. Let's introduce him.

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Speaker 1: Let's just let's just rip the band aid right off.

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Speaker 2: Intro music like a seventies game show.

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Speaker 1: Contestant Andy Staples, The Andy Staples Show. Go and subscribe

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Speaker 1: and listen if you haven't already, if you're a fan

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Speaker 1: of college football podcasts, if you like all find things

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Speaker 1: college football related. Mister Staples, it is a pleasure as

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Speaker 1: always to.

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Speaker 2: Have you back.

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Speaker 3: How are you such high production value? And what I

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Speaker 3: appreciate about this particular format is we don't have to

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Speaker 3: have very coherent thoughts because we do have to do

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Speaker 3: traffic and weather every seventy seven seconds.

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Speaker 2: We have sound effects every seventy seven seconds. You have many,

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Speaker 2: many stingers.

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Speaker 4: I'm aware of this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have stingers. And I guess you have to

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Speaker 2: now tell us who's the jackknife big rig off the

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Speaker 2: big I don't know what, but that's such a great

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Speaker 2: turn of phrase, the jackknife big rig.

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Speaker 3: We got a jackknife big rig on ninety five.

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Speaker 4: There's two miles North'ard connector.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a horror l truck, a ton of hot dogs,

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Speaker 2: have spilled out. It's a disaster. Yeah, yeah, the traffic

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Speaker 3: There's beans too, picnickers are coming.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, all right, Ty, we were starting at the

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Speaker 2: top with what the union stuff, We're starting on top

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Speaker 1: Here, I'll play it. Yeah, I won't go into the

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Speaker 1: waste your time with my madness. So look, there was

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Speaker 1: college athletes can if they want to start some process

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Speaker 1: of unionizing. Now, this has far reaching ramifications. In effect,

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Speaker 1: it kind of means that college athletes are employees.

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Speaker 4: Well that's what it said. That is precisely what it said.

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Speaker 1: The actual wording. Yeah, the actual wording. We tend to

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Speaker 3: It's definitely not happening, whether they want it or not.

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Speaker 2: Least I mean, yes, obviously they're Where is the component

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Speaker 4: This is the only thing that can central it. At

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Speaker 4: So this is how you do that.

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Speaker 3: This is how you create an umbrella organization that has

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Speaker 4: It's the only way you can. And so once the

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Speaker 3: NCAA's propaganda for all those decades, once they get over

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Speaker 4: Wait, I can still make tons of money doing this.

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Speaker 3: We just are going to have to deal with these guys,

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Speaker 3: then it's going to probably calm a lot of this

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Speaker 2: Do you think it changes the power five G five

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Speaker 3: Part that annoys me about the whole debate about should

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Speaker 1: Let me close out this subject with this, Where does

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Speaker 1: this go next? Because this is clearly an area in

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Speaker 1: Where do you think this goes next? What is the

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Speaker 1: Maybe as a result of this.

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Speaker 3: Well, you'll see the people who are stuck in the

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Speaker 4: No you're not.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're gonna get a national anil aw, but it's

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Speaker 3: Who doesn't love someone who says whatever they're paid to say.

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Speaker 2: football in one place, and that was the first time

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Speaker 2: I've done it in five years, seven years.

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Speaker 3: And you really and you realized, oh my god, I

444
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Speaker 3: spent all that money on cable all those years, and

445
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Speaker 3: I don't watch any of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah. Yeah, I watched a rerun of the Office,

447
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Speaker 2: which is what I used to do on Netflix before

448
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Speaker 2: it went to Peacock. That's what I've used YouTube TV

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Speaker 2: for outside of college football.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

451
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Speaker 3: The only the only other thing I watched besides live

452
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Speaker 3: sports on on that subscription is I will go to

453
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Speaker 3: the HGTV section and just.

454
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Speaker 4: Do on demand like Beachfront, Bargain Hunt. That's it.

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Speaker 3: I don't watch anything like I have no idea what's

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Speaker 3: on TVs. I have no idea what's on TNT USA,

457
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Speaker 3: and don't care.

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Speaker 4: Don't care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the only way anybody knows what's on TNT is

460
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Speaker 2: the channel was left on after an NBA playoff game

461
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Speaker 2: and you turn it on in the morning, like, oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was early new or Kenny or Charles told

463
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Speaker 3: me about it. That's the only way I know.

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Speaker 1: Let me close this out, Andy with kind of a

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Speaker 1: forward looking question. The year is twenty twenty six, and

466
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Speaker 1: all of these negotiations are now in the rear view mirror.

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Speaker 1: How many teams do we have in the college football playoffs?

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Speaker 4: Twelve?

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Speaker 1: You think twelve?

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Speaker 4: I think it's twelve.

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Speaker 3: It could be eight if they were willing to do

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Speaker 3: eight best, but the SEC and Notre Dame are not

473
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Speaker 3: going to go for that. It's got to be four

474
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Speaker 3: or more at large's and ten. Selling the two game

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Speaker 3: first round for ten is not I don't think there's

476
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Speaker 3: much of an appetite for that. So if you're gonna

477
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Speaker 3: go eight, it's gonna have to be eight best. That

478
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Speaker 3: if you're the Pac twelve, if you're the Big twelve,

479
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Speaker 3: if you're the group of five leagues, you don't want that.

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Speaker 4: So that's really the only compromise they can make.

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Speaker 1: And finally, Yeah, we don't really have a name for

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Speaker 1: this segment, Dan, but I said at the top, it's

483
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Speaker 1: pot luck. You and I had a rather spirited conversation

484
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Speaker 1: privately about the subject of fool's gold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who's good? Who's not good?

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Speaker 1: I think we just sort of like the term fools gold.

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Speaker 4: Pyrite is the actual substance. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, who is who in this college football season?

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Speaker 1: Now that we're a month through the season, I think

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Speaker 1: is what we're getting at now.

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Speaker 2: My question to you, Andy is one, is college football

492
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Speaker 2: more enjoyable to you when and you have table setters

493
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Speaker 2: at the top right where like you have killers with

494
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Speaker 2: you know, Ohio State, with Alabama, with Clemson, with Florida

495
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Speaker 2: whoever it is that we've had at the top of

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Speaker 2: the sport these tast ten or fifteen years. Do you

497
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Speaker 2: enjoy it more when you know who's great? Or do

498
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Speaker 2: you enjoy it more when we are what four weeks,

499
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Speaker 2: five weeks into the season right now, and you're like,

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Speaker 2: ole miss.

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Speaker 4: Might be good.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it could be true, like so much

503
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Speaker 3: better because there's so many different possibilities for what can

504
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Speaker 3: happen now, I mean you're talking about fools. Gold Ole

505
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Speaker 3: miss is an interesting one. Like Michigan Wisconsin is going

506
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Speaker 3: to be a fascinating game. To me. The Wisconsin game

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Speaker 3: the last two years for Michigan has been the one

508
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Speaker 3: that has made the most people say maybe the Jim

509
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Speaker 3: Harbor or needs to end because Michigan's basically quit against

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Speaker 3: them two years of a row.

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Speaker 4: Wisconsin doesn't look very good. This year.

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Speaker 3: Michigan has looked great against not good teams. They look

513
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Speaker 3: good in the first half against Rutgers. In the second

514
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Speaker 3: half you're like, oh no, wait, this may be the

515
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Speaker 3: same team and we just don't know. We'll have a

516
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Speaker 3: much better idea because if if this Wisconsin team dominates

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Speaker 3: Michigan the way the last two haven't, I'm not sure

518
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Speaker 3: this one's any better than one last year that crushed Michigan.

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Speaker 3: I mean that kind of answers all your hardball questions,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: And they're favored, They are favored, Wisconsin is favored.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of those you know, what does Vegas

523
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Speaker 3: know that we don't situations?

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Speaker 2: What about Georgia? So here's I don't think Georgia's fools. Gold,

525
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Speaker 2: I think they're a really good team. But I think

526
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Speaker 2: their greatness or their excellence, whatever you want to call it,

527
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Speaker 2: I think is fully unknown. They've played one defense and

528
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Speaker 2: they didn't score against them. They did not score against

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Speaker 2: the Clemson defense, and they've beat up on Vanderbilt in

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Speaker 2: South Carolina. And I assume when you said that two

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Speaker 2: SEC teams are going to make the playoffs this year,

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Speaker 2: one of them is probably going to be Georgia in

533
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Speaker 2: your mind, or the winner Doubt Georgia game, basically right

534
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Speaker 2: winner of the Florida Georgia game. Do you have doubts

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Speaker 2: about the veracity of Georgia's greatness.

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Speaker 3: I have questions about the offense now. I have fewer

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Speaker 3: questions about the offense just because they were so banged

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Speaker 3: up going into the season offensively, like going into that

539
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Speaker 3: Clemson game, that the amount of like they might get

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Speaker 3: Darnel Washington.

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Speaker 4: Back this week and that's a that's a huge thing.

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Speaker 3: So they could be a completely different offense by the

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Speaker 3: end of the season than they were at the beginning.

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Speaker 3: But this will be a great test for them. Arkansas's

545
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Speaker 3: defensive front is fantastic. Arkansas's linebackers are awesome, Like if

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Speaker 3: they can score on Arkansas consistently. They're a scary, scary team.

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Speaker 3: And you know, George's defense we know is good. We

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Speaker 3: know just because the prospects they have, what the NFL

549
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Speaker 3: people think about the Jordan Davises of the world. But

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Speaker 3: Clemson's offense is terrible, and so them whole lean Clemson's

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Speaker 3: offense to three points. Well, I don't know if.

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Speaker 2: That's a little bit devaluing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yet, so is their defense as awesome as we

554
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Speaker 3: because I think reasonable people can assume it's still pretty

555
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Speaker 3: good no matter what. But is it as awesome as

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Speaker 3: we thought? Because I think that's the big question. If

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Speaker 3: they are as dominant as we originally thought on defense

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Speaker 3: and the offense is slightly better, there's hardly anybody who

559
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Speaker 3: can touch them, But we don't know that. You know,

560
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Speaker 3: can kJ Jefferson and Treylon Burks? Can they hit a

561
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Speaker 3: big play on him? Maybe we'll see. I mean, that's

562
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Speaker 3: the big question, is how good is this Georgia defense

563
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Speaker 3: more than more than the offense? I think, because I

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Speaker 3: actually I think the offense is going to come around.

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Speaker 3: We just have to see is this defense merely good

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Speaker 3: or is it incredible?

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Speaker 2: When you look across the sport as well. I mean

568
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Speaker 2: there are other like the Michigan schools. We don't really know,

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Speaker 2: but you mentioned that the Harbaugh test Ohio State. I

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Speaker 2: guess that depends on what you what Oregon shows. I

571
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Speaker 2: guess moving forward, and like I don't know. The Ohio

572
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Speaker 2: State thing is, like I guess My question is is

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Speaker 2: there a world in which Ohio State gets its act

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Speaker 2: together this year?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the thing about any program like that

577
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Speaker 3: Oklahoma same deal, Clemson, same deal, any program that has

578
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Speaker 3: that much talent on the roster, it may be a

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Speaker 3: case of plugging in a younger guy who just happens

580
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Speaker 3: to be better than the older guy, but you didn't

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Speaker 3: realize it yet. And all three of those are capable

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Speaker 3: of doing that as the year goes on and looking

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Speaker 3: like a completely different bunch by the end of the season.

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Speaker 4: So that's the fear.

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Speaker 3: Like, if you're a Big ten team that plays Ohio

586
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Speaker 3: State at the end of the season, they could be

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Speaker 3: a complete wrecking ball by the time you play them.

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Speaker 4: You you just don't know.

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Speaker 2: When you look at the top of the sport right now,

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Speaker 2: there are a few teams Top ten, top twelve where

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Speaker 2: you're just like it doesn't feel like they are a

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Speaker 2: top ten twelve team later on this here or in

593
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Speaker 2: other seasons. I look at what Iowa hasn't been able

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Speaker 2: to accomplish on offense, what Oklahoma hasn't been able to accomplish,

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Notre Dame, like there are teams here where He's

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Speaker 2: just like, I see the number next to you, but

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Speaker 2: I don't. My eyes kind of deny it. Are there

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Speaker 2: those teams for you?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: The Iowa thing is interesting because I think we're going

601
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Speaker 3: to learn something tonight when I play Iowa plays Maryland.

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Speaker 3: I am very fascinated by that game because Taliya tungua

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Speaker 3: Iloa has been a revelation for Maryland. He's been everything

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Speaker 3: that they hoped he would be. And Maryland has some

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Speaker 3: really mega talented players on the roster, which he knew

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Speaker 3: when we put Mike Loxley as the head coach of

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Speaker 3: a program in the DMV, He's going to get some dudes,

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Speaker 3: and he has. But Iowa looks like the kind of

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Speaker 3: team that can just choke you out whenever it needs to.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know that Iowa is that dynamic offensively,

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Speaker 3: and I don't know that they have to be And

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Speaker 3: we'll see.

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Speaker 4: Well, this will this will tell us quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know you're gonna have Maryland in a

615
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Speaker 3: situation They're gonna be hyped up, the whole country is

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Speaker 3: going to be watching, and can they move the ball

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Speaker 3: on these guys? If they can, then that gives you

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Speaker 3: some pause about you know, can Iowa beat Penn State?

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Speaker 3: And Iowa bet you know this team that team, But

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Speaker 3: if Iowa just goes and boa constricts Maryland, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm looking at Iowa scheduling going.

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Speaker 3: If they can get past Penn State, they could roll

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Speaker 3: into the Big Ten title game undefeated.

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Speaker 2: I have the funny thing to do with teams like Iowa,

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Speaker 2: and it was true of like previous Northwestern teams that

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Speaker 2: are that Boa constrictor have that identity, is what is

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Speaker 2: the insurmountable lead that Iowa has to go down? Like

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Speaker 2: if you go up thirteen to three on Iowa, is

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Speaker 2: the game over? Like that's the problem is you tie

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Speaker 2: one of their hands? What is that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is that number?

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Speaker 3: Question is are you are you willing to go vanilla enough?

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Speaker 3: Because the problem is when you when you're up thirteen

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Speaker 3: three on Iowa and you say Okay, we're gonna we're

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Speaker 3: gonna dial it back so we don't have any any

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Speaker 3: mistakes that lead to turnovers that that give Iowa a

638
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Speaker 3: short field and allow them to score quickly. The problem

639
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Speaker 3: is you're gonna wind up going three and out almost

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Speaker 3: every possession you're playing there, and so you're gonna give

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Speaker 3: Iowa a bunch of possessions and a bunch of chances.

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Speaker 3: So I don't think it's thirteen to three. I think

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Speaker 3: it's probably more like twenty four to three. I think

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Speaker 3: that's where you can you can relate less enough to

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Speaker 3: think they're not coming back. But the thing is if

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Speaker 3: it's close enough, because once they score once, then you

647
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Speaker 3: get back into your offense, and that's when the pick

648
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: six comes into play, or the fumble recovery where they

649
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Speaker 3: get the ball on your thirty comes into play.

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Speaker 2: Nobody out Pizza's the Hut, nobody out Hawks the Hawks. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So much of the charm of this season, at least

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Speaker 1: in the early going. Again through four weeks, Andy, is

653
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Speaker 1: this whole theme of vulnerability. I'm sure you've heard it

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Speaker 1: as much as we have. Obviously, we've got teams like

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Speaker 1: Ohio State and Clemson that have early losses for the

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Speaker 1: first time, and who knows how long Oklahoma has been

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Speaker 1: on the brink. A couple weeks running Georgia was in

658
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Speaker 1: a very close game against Clemson, was able to outlast them,

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Speaker 1: and now Alabama's got a game this weekend against Old Miss.

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Speaker 1: I think that for me is one of the more

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Speaker 1: fascinating angles so far this season.

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Speaker 4: I watched in Gainesville. Their defensive line look tired.

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen an Alabama defensive line look tired since

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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, So that tells you anything like that was

665
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Speaker 3: surprising and shocking and just something that I hadn't seen.

666
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Speaker 3: Now they still won the game. You know, they're up

667
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Speaker 3: twenty one to three in that game, So I think

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Speaker 3: Alabama has enough to turn those not turn around because

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Speaker 3: they don't need to turn anything around. They're still winning,

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Speaker 3: but eliminate those vulnerabilities as the sea and goes on.

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Speaker 3: But this is the best quarterback they're going to play

672
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Speaker 3: all season. Dynamic quarterbacks. That's if you're going to beat Alabama.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty much the one thing you need to have,

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Speaker 3: and Ole Miss has that. So we know Lane Kiffin

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Speaker 3: understands Nick Saban's defense very well, understands what Alabama is

676
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Speaker 3: trying to do defensively and can pick at that. We

677
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Speaker 3: saw that last year. The difference is Alabama doesn't have

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Speaker 3: five first round draft picks on their offense this year.

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Speaker 4: Now they have some. Evan Neil's a first round draft pick.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what happens with the receivers Bryce Bryce Young,

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Speaker 3: maybe a first round draft pick when he comes out.

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Speaker 3: But there were five guys starting on offense against ole

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Speaker 3: Miss because Jalen Wadel was still healthy, that were first

684
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Speaker 3: rounders this past year. That's why Alabama won that game.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't anything they did defensively. If they'd not been

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Speaker 3: the best Alabama offense in the history of a great program,

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Speaker 3: they would have lost that game.

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Speaker 4: And ole Miss is better this year.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I look at this and go, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this will give us a very good indicator indication I

691
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Speaker 3: was going to say, and then I went indicator and

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Speaker 3: then that's how I go indicator.

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Speaker 4: Uh, but a very good indication of where Alabama is.

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Speaker 3: And you know, if they if they can win this game,

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Speaker 3: which I'm assuming will turn into a tract meane at

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Speaker 3: some point, then yeah, pencil Alabama in is a national

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Speaker 3: title contender. As the usual, as what you expect from Alabama.

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Speaker 3: But if they lose, it means that they are vulnerable.

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Speaker 3: There are teams that could beat them. Listen, if old

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Speaker 3: Miss can go into testcal loose, win out and win.

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Speaker 3: This is the part that people aren't even considering. Everybody's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Alabama might lose all Miss, but then Alabama will win

703
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Speaker 3: the SEC West and then the win the SEC.

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Speaker 4: Maybe not if old Mis can win in tescalution, hen

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Speaker 4: win anywhere else.

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Speaker 2: Too, one of the Okay, so your one of your

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Speaker 2: co hosts Ari Wasserman, friend of the solid verbal as well,

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Speaker 2: day to overreaction new Dad prone to overreaction on Saturdays,

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Speaker 2: which is great, which is why we lost it a

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Speaker 2: little bit.

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Speaker 4: Us to disband the program after losing NC State.

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Speaker 2: I saw Wisconsin has to rethink everything. Yeah, are their teams, though,

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Speaker 2: to his credit, are their teams that have tough questions

714
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Speaker 2: in the way that Clemson doesn't necessarily have tough questions,

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Speaker 2: but that Clemson's offense took a giant step backwards and

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Speaker 2: that they might need to rethink the way that they

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Speaker 2: developed players or the way they call players, or the

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Speaker 2: design of their offense. Are there other teams because of

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Speaker 2: what you've seen from them early on this season that

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Speaker 2: are going to have to make tough decisions about the

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Speaker 2: future of their programs, not necessarily firing coaches, but like, okay,

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Speaker 2: we've got Wisconsin's offense doing nothing. We have Stanford looking

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Speaker 2: thing like the Stanford of the first half of David

724
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Speaker 2: Shaw's career.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: They can't run the ball consistently, they can't defend like

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Speaker 2: you have. TCU. Gary Patterson was one of the most

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Speaker 2: dependable coaches nationally. This is a TCU program that I

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Speaker 2: think could be defined as struggling. So are there bedrock

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Speaker 2: programs that you think have actual tough questions to answer

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Speaker 2: in the next three four months?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I mean TCU's one where they were built on having

735
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Speaker 3: a suffocating defense. They go to the Big twelve, realize

736
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Speaker 3: that you can't succeed in the Big twelve that way.

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Speaker 3: They install the up tempo spread offense. It works for

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Speaker 3: a while, but now they're just kind of a mech

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Speaker 3: Big twelve team and they've got to figure out how

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Speaker 3: to be special in.

741
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Speaker 4: The Big twelve.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know that that answer is there yet. Now,

743
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Speaker 3: this will be a great weekend to see where they're

744
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Speaker 3: at because for whatever reason, they've dominated Texas since they've

745
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Speaker 3: gotten into the Big twelve. And but if Texas comes

746
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Speaker 3: in and just out talents them, then you got a problem.

747
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Speaker 3: Because if you can, if you're gonna get out talented

748
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Speaker 3: by the Oklahomas and the Texas of the world, you're

749
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Speaker 3: gonna have you've got to do something different. You've got

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Speaker 3: to differentiate yourself in a different way. And they just

751
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: haven't ever. They've never been able to figure out, you know,

752
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Speaker 3: besides the Trevon Boyken led offense, how to do that.

753
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Speaker 3: And it wasn't like they were differentiating themselves. Then they

754
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: were doing what everybody else was doing. They're just doing

755
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Speaker 3: it really well, and I haven't been able to repeat that, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So I think I think that's that's one thing that

757
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: that they've got to consider. Uh Texas A and M.

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Speaker 3: They just need to use what they have better offensively. Look,

759
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Speaker 3: Haines King getting hurt, hurt them a lot. Zach Calzatt

760
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Speaker 3: is not as good of a quarterback as Haines King, clearly.

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Speaker 4: I mean we figured that out.

762
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Speaker 3: You figured that out, Jimbo Fisher watching them practice is

763
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Speaker 3: why you started Haines King but the thing is, you

764
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Speaker 3: still have some very dangerous weapons offensively. And I feel

765
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Speaker 3: like Jimbo Fisher's got this idea in his mind of

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Speaker 3: how a game must go. We must call this many passes,

767
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 3: we must call this many runs.

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Speaker 4: It must be and just do what works.

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Speaker 3: And right now, what works is you've got Isaiah Spiller,

770
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Speaker 3: Devon a Chain and a Naiah Smith who are difference makers,

771
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Speaker 3: and they're the only difference makers you have on offense.

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Speaker 4: Maybe just feed them.

773
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Speaker 3: The ball more because your quarterback, who you're stuck with

774
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Speaker 3: until haynes Kin gets healthy, isn't gonna get and it

775
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: isn't gonna do it for you. That Mississippi State, Texas

776
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Speaker 3: A and M game is gonna be wild. Think about this.

777
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Speaker 3: This could be like a thirteen to ten game where

778
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Speaker 3: the quarterbacks combined to throw for one hundred combined to

779
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Speaker 3: throw a hundred passes.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely could. And is that a Jimbo seating control

781
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Speaker 2: of the offense thing?

782
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Speaker 4: Not really, because he likes running the ball. He likes

783
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Speaker 4: to establish the run.

784
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Speaker 3: But it was just wild watching the Arkansas game, especially

785
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Speaker 3: after Spiller pops the long touchdown. Just keep doing that

786
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 3: until they stop it, because that's your only chance. Like

787
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: you've seen that, you're not going to be able to

788
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Speaker 3: throw your way to victory here, so just try the

789
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Speaker 3: other thing.

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Speaker 4: I agree.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious about the man ball teams. I'm curious about

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Speaker 2: Stanford and Wisconsin, and I mean, you can run the ball,

793
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: you can be a successful offense.

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Speaker 3: I think Wisconsin just needs there's a there's a lot

795
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Speaker 3: of and this is I'm not going to lay this

796
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 3: all at Ari's feedeck because I see this in a

797
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: lot of places. And our guy Joel Klatt had a

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00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: great video on that on it this week regarding Oklahoma,

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Speaker 3: and Joel gets it. There are a lot of people

800
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 3: who think that teams are having existential crises when really

801
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: they just don't have good offensive lines this year. And

802
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: having a bad offensive line can make it look like

803
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: you're having existential crisis because if you're lying, can't block,

804
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: nothing works, and if you're lying, can block, everything works.

805
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 3: So it's and this is it's a cliche for a reason.

806
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 3: People talk about games or one up front. They are

807
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: they always have been. It doesn't matter what offense you run,

808
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 3: what defense you run. If your big people are better

809
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: than their big people, you're a better team. So that's

810
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: what that's what you're dealing with with Clemson. Can't block, Oklahoma,

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Speaker 3: can't can't run, block, can't blow open holes like they

812
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Speaker 3: have been. I mean, if Oklahoma is averaging six yards

813
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: of carry, Spencer Ratler looks amazing. If Oklahoma is averaging

814
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Speaker 3: three and a half yards of carry, Spencer Ratler struggles.

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Speaker 4: Crazy. How that happens.

816
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts would have struggled, Kyler Murray would have struggled,

817
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Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield would have struggled in similar situations. It's not

818
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 3: that difficult to figure out the problem is. It's also

819
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: not easy to fix mid season. You can't just be like, hey,

820
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: eighteen year old who just showed up? You You block

821
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Speaker 3: these three hundred pound guys better than the dude who's

822
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: been doing it for two years. Block Jordan Davis.

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Speaker 4: Have fun.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't really happen very often. Yeah, it's not a

825
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: backup quarterback situation. Happened to Georgia in twenty seventeen, but

826
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Speaker 2: it doesn't happen very or just to hire more coaches

827
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Speaker 2: with an offensive line background, find the next Mario Christabaal,

828
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Speaker 2: find the next Sam Pittman, find the next Kirk ference

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Speaker 2: It's just that easy, Sam.

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Speaker 1: That's all alrighty Well, Andy Staples from the Athletic from

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Speaker 1: the Andy Staples Show, go on out and subscribe to

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Speaker 1: the podcast if you don't already, Andy, it is always

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you on the show with us.

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Speaker 1: We hope Week five treats you well.

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Speaker 2: You eating anything good this weekend?

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Speaker 4: By the way, I ate really well yesterday.

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Speaker 3: It was it was my birthday, and I've been counting

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Speaker 3: calories and so yesterday was the only day that I

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Speaker 3: could actually eat what I wanted.

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Speaker 4: And I had a giant.

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Speaker 3: Bowl of spaghetti and meatballs place here in Gainesville called

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Speaker 3: Pomodoro that is that is outstanding, and then two huge.

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Speaker 4: Slices of carrot cake, which I did in there.

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Speaker 3: Then I entered it all in the calorie count app

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Speaker 3: It was not pretty. Eight hundred and fifty calories per

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Speaker 3: per slice of carrot cakes. Okay, but I feel like

847
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Speaker 3: I have to be accountable.

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Speaker 1: It looked like the offense in last year's Alabama Old

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Speaker 1: Miss game.

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Speaker 2: If if the Rock can have a cheat day, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so today is going to be back to somewhere under

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Speaker 2: twenty three hundred calories, and we're going to keep that up,

853
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Speaker 2: and we're going to stack good days on top of

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Speaker 2: one another, and eventually I will have a six pack.

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Speaker 2: That's how it works. Ty has eight going right now.

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00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: He's very bashful about it. But Tye is yoked, absolutely yoked.

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Speaker 4: That's not true, Aaron.

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Speaker 2: All right, Andy, thank you very much for joining the show.

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Speaker 2: Ty You have all sorts of sounds. I guess to

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Speaker 2: play us out or maybe you don't. And everybody go

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Speaker 2: listen to the Andy Stable Show. I was on it

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Speaker 2: last week and it was a I got a text

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Speaker 2: from Ari by the way, angry that I was good

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Speaker 2: on your show. In his absence. He was like, you're

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Speaker 2: not supposed to shine.

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Speaker 3: I know he's worried that paternity leaves gonna cost him

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Speaker 3: his spotting. He's no show without you. I did get

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Speaker 3: poop tech no show Mari yesterday.

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Speaker 2: By the way. He was like, they're so dark, it's

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Speaker 1: here at sliverbo and Saw Verbal Media. Your support helps

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Speaker 1: us keep the lights on, helps us keep the boat afloat.

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Speaker 1: All the normal cliches apply, but we are so very

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Speaker 1: grateful for your undying support and love for the show

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Speaker 1: that we put out three times a week.

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Speaker 2: Literal floating boat. Tie has a yacht now thanks to

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Speaker 2: the support, No he does not.

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Speaker 1: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: for myself, Tie Hildebrand, for our guest of honor today,

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Speaker 1: our good friend Aity Staples of the Athletic. We will

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Speaker 1: talk to you all in just a few short days.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, as always, stay solid, peace,