Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two ninety seven,
Speaker 1: Episode three of DIR Daily Like Guy Yay production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep bab
Speaker 1: into america shared consciousness. And it is Thursday July twenty seventh,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: National Scotch Day, National Love Is Kind Day, National Intern Day,
Speaker 2: National Korean War Veterans arm is this day? National New
Speaker 2: Jersey Day, Shout out New Jersey, I fuck with the
Speaker 2: Guarden's Day, National Chili Dog Day. Also like Chili Dogs,
Speaker 2: National Refreshment Day, National Friends my birthdee too.
Speaker 1: So this is like, all of these things hold special
Speaker 1: significance to me. Chili dog, Kita, chili dogs, Jersey.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, I love a chili dog.
Speaker 1: They designed all the national days around it being my birthday.
Speaker 2: So is your birthday today? That's my birthday.
Speaker 1: Thursday July twenty seventh, twenty twenty three. Shit, look at us, ah,
Speaker 1: look it up.
Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Thank you boy. I'm sorry. I didn't even
Speaker 2: I like how you brought that a real casual and
Speaker 2: then I felt like an asshole. I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: it's your birthday, son.
Speaker 1: That's the only reason I ever bring it up is
Speaker 1: I bring it up at the end of a conversation, okay,
Speaker 1: to make the person feel bad.
Speaker 3: Let me see what I got here for your birthday son.
Speaker 3: You know I didn't forget about you. How about tooth?
Speaker 3: How about oh this this avy display cleaner for your
Speaker 3: monitor and this microclock.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna send that.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, my name is Jack O'Brien aka. She
Speaker 1: put the rock in the cookie, though, and bake all up.
Speaker 1: She put the stones in the cookies. Now your teeth
Speaker 1: are not together. Put the stone in the cookie. Now
Speaker 1: you got a toothcap. Put the stone in the cookie.
Speaker 1: Now called the Dennis woke them up and said, ain't
Speaker 1: there nothing that can take I said for pet bull
Speaker 1: chip cookie break. That is courtesy of Blinky Hack on
Speaker 1: the Discord. The idea of pebbles being in my cookies
Speaker 1: has permanently fucked up cookies for me.
Speaker 2: I'm doing all my beating cookies for.
Speaker 1: At least a couple hours, and I'm thrilled to be
Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host, mister Miles Ground Miles.
Speaker 4: Gray, the Lord of Lancaship, North, Hollywood's finest aka the
Speaker 4: Crunkista Door aka christopherus aka Vascald Ganja aka Keith Erickson
Speaker 4: aka Captain James Cush.
Speaker 5: Shout out that, scouty one goosal Yeah, Scotty mcgo, shout
Speaker 5: out to you. Shout out to Kevin I believe from
Speaker 5: Houston who pulled up to me at the Arsenal event
Speaker 5: last night and you're like, hey, man on second.
Speaker 2: Ship, good to see you. Thank you were in an
Speaker 2: arsenal event last night. Yeah, they're in town. My boys
Speaker 2: are in town. You know, there was a little there
Speaker 2: was my baby party. Yeah, so I got to I
Speaker 2: got to meet some of the players, like from the
Speaker 2: Wired players. Yeah, yeah, I met Romford, the Romford Pela.
Speaker 2: Is that because you're du Gaspar Gilberto Silva?
Speaker 1: Is that because you're a personality an influencer, or is
Speaker 1: that because you're like the one on the fan club.
Speaker 2: It's more like I've been part of like the La
Speaker 2: Arsenal scene for a long time, so you know, it's
Speaker 2: pretty cool. Got my ear to the streets. Congratulations, we
Speaker 2: do fun things well, Miles.
Speaker 1: We are absolutely thrilled and blessed to be joined by
Speaker 1: a brilliant director, actor. One of the hosts of the
Speaker 1: podcast Fraudsters on the Last Podcast Network it's Sina goes.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank.
Speaker 1: You for joining us.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, please part of my small dog that's
Speaker 7: losing his mind from someone ringing the doorbell. Oh no,
Speaker 7: I don't mind. I have a pregnant wife, so at
Speaker 7: any moment, she could go to labor.
Speaker 2: Oh really, but you know what is it?
Speaker 1: And you're also balancing a giant layer cake, like a
Speaker 1: five layer cake?
Speaker 7: How long do you have after the water breaks? Three hours?
Speaker 7: How long is this show? I think we'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're fine. Overrated? How big a deal that
Speaker 1: ship is? How uncomfortable is bro.
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 6: Labor?
Speaker 2: We're all guys here, we get talking. Doesn't like that
Speaker 2: about right? You're laying down the whole time. You're laying
Speaker 2: down the whole time. Wow? Wait, so are you Birth
Speaker 2: is imminent? Labor?
Speaker 6: Birth is eminent.
Speaker 7: We are at term now for our second son, and
Speaker 7: he is a masculine child. Yes, and so we're very excited.
Speaker 7: Any any moment now, but we'll see.
Speaker 1: Maybe the chest hair shows up on the scan.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, the hair does show up.
Speaker 7: My My wife is Japanese and I'm Iranian American, and lordie,
Speaker 7: this will be the hairyest Japanese boy anyone has ever seen.
Speaker 2: Or the Japanese This couldn't I'm half Japanese too, famously
Speaker 2: can't grow a beard, so we'll see where that goes.
Speaker 2: It's funny, there's famously the Japanese Iranian mix is not rare. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've heard about it's to people it might sound like,
Speaker 2: but as a Japanese person, I'm like, I know that
Speaker 2: there's a lot of rantings in Japan and like you
Speaker 2: don't think about you Darvish the picture also Iranian Japanese.
Speaker 2: You know we're out here.
Speaker 7: Great culture, Japanese cause great culture.
Speaker 1: I don't know how rare the my life is Korean.
Speaker 1: I don't know how rare the Irish Korean is.
Speaker 2: I feel like I think I think I think you
Speaker 2: may be Okay, Okay, you think there's I think there's
Speaker 2: just feel like Korean. The Koreans would rarely stoop to
Speaker 2: our Irish level, but maybe there are such things as
Speaker 2: military basis. Yeah, you know, there's a lot of guys.
Speaker 2: It's like because Karen O from the yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: I believe she's Polish, American and Korean. Okay, I think
Speaker 2: that was potentially like a you know, a military love thing.
Speaker 2: So I don't know anyway, all that to say, all
Speaker 2: the permutations are out the mazzle, sir, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but dude, maybe the same birthdays you Jack, You don't yeah,
Speaker 2: look at that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so when's your birthday today?
Speaker 1: July twenty seventh, Happy birthday, incredible, thank you, thank.
Speaker 2: You so much. But well the birth of your child
Speaker 2: would overshadow that immediately.
Speaker 6: So yeah, absolutely, yeah, we'll.
Speaker 2: Get we'll get the hold it hold.
Speaker 6: Both the names on the sheet cake, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Sina, we're going to get to know
Speaker 1: you a little bit better.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: First, we're going to tell our listeners just a couple
Speaker 1: of the things we're talking about. You know, your show
Speaker 1: is Fraudsters. We're gonna talk We're going to kick off
Speaker 1: with a fraudster, the border Wall fundraising grifter, who just
Speaker 1: got five years for you know, they weren't the mastermind,
Speaker 1: but they they put in work and made quite a
Speaker 1: bit of money off of the border Wall grift. We
Speaker 1: are going to talk about it being firing time at
Speaker 1: the Florida fash Factory. Myles wonderful headline, great alliteration, love
Speaker 1: it Trump is now begging Congress to help him. You
Speaker 1: pointed out in your right up of this that like
Speaker 1: the his sing uncomfortable is the thing like that, that's
Speaker 1: the thing that is like, oh so maybe this is real.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing I can make sense of, because yeah,
Speaker 2: other than that, like for me, you could say, like
Speaker 2: you got fifty seven hundred indictments, I'm like, I don't care.
Speaker 2: But he's he's sweating.
Speaker 1: He seems to be sweating, Yeah, losing the minimal amount
Speaker 1: of sleep that he gets. Right, and Fulton seems imminent,
Speaker 1: seems like it's going to be august ish, and Fulton
Speaker 1: looks bad. So well we'll talk about all that and
Speaker 1: then we'll get into well, I'm gonna just fucking jam
Speaker 1: through those ones because I want to get to the
Speaker 1: UFO hearings because yeah, that's all I care about too.
Speaker 2: It's just just reading when when they released his opening
Speaker 2: statement yesterday and just reading the text, I got goosebumps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's also like saying like, yeah, I know exactly
Speaker 1: where these crafts are, Like I know their locations.
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: But there's also like some some weird congressional I don't
Speaker 1: know like that what one guy like started questioning him.
Speaker 1: I was like, so you're saying that, like funds you
Speaker 1: that we earmarked for weapons are being used for other things.
Speaker 1: Like it's like the most boring approach to right, Like
Speaker 1: you know, just the congressional interviewing, It's like they're interviewing
Speaker 1: a ghost and like asking if it is aware its
Speaker 1: chain rattling was violating sound ordinances.
Speaker 2: There's a fucking ghost in front of you that ye like,
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, hold on, he's not dressed properly.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, sir. All of that plenty more. But Soina,
Speaker 1: before we get to any of that bullshit, we do
Speaker 1: need to know what is something from your search history
Speaker 1: that is revealing about who you are?
Speaker 6: Oh? Lord, this is very this is very vulnerable.
Speaker 2: Why we ask it?
Speaker 7: So the other day I googled Matthew Lillard Hackers because
Speaker 7: I don't know if you guys know the movie Hackers
Speaker 7: from the nineties, and ya, Joelee Matthew Lillard. So my
Speaker 7: production company is called zero Cool, and I've always been
Speaker 7: obsessed with that movie. And zero Cool is like, you know,
Speaker 7: the handle of the main character there. And this coming
Speaker 7: weekend on July twenty ninth Last Podcast Network is launching
Speaker 7: their Twitch stream and we're doing a grindhouse, so we're
Speaker 7: like the MTV's the Grind.
Speaker 6: We're doing a whole twelve hour sabath on thing.
Speaker 7: And because I'm about to have a child, they were like,
Speaker 7: see you get thirty minutes, what do you want to do?
Speaker 7: And there's a green screen there, And I'm gonna do
Speaker 7: a mixed reality session, so people are gonna come in
Speaker 7: and do VR and we're gonna film it and it's
Speaker 7: gonna be this third person thing. But the character I'm
Speaker 7: gonna play is like Matthew Lillard from Hackers, as I'm
Speaker 7: obsessed with that kind of cyberpunk approach and that esthetic,
Speaker 7: and so I was trying to research that and I
Speaker 7: don't know what I'm gonna do. I don't do you know,
Speaker 7: uppers anymore that make me look like I'm cracked out.
Speaker 6: All the time, because that's what he looks like in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to get that look, Yeah, it's tough. Remind me.
Speaker 1: Obviously, I'm very intimately familiar with Matthew Lillard and Hackers,
Speaker 1: as is everyone listening, But remind me, what, what's his
Speaker 1: whole deal? He's like kind of on uppers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he is just yeah if the friend, the friend
Speaker 7: that just got out of the bathroom after ripping lines
Speaker 7: and there just teeth are big and his eyes are big.
Speaker 6: He's got these tiny little sunglasses.
Speaker 2: And possibly small sunglasses. Yeah, yeah, I knew.
Speaker 1: So we did a live show for the year two
Speaker 1: thousand with a friend of the show, Jamie Loftus, and
Speaker 1: she wore tiny little hacker sunglasses and I was like,
Speaker 1: I know that's a reference that I get. I just
Speaker 1: can't remember the specific character.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, it's Matthew Lillard.
Speaker 6: And those are hard to find.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those specific ones are it turns out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And then to give you contact, you do those little
Speaker 2: braids that he had to.
Speaker 6: Well that's the thing.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'd have to probably do some corn rows,
Speaker 7: which you know that's problematic these days. You know, may
Speaker 7: just do a wig, but I could do you know,
Speaker 7: some exposed chest thing with some weird leathers, some straps,
Speaker 7: maybe wear some roller blades.
Speaker 6: Who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what is uh? Roller blades are coming back
Speaker 1: in a huge way. I feel like after Barbie's dominance
Speaker 1: of the box office world.
Speaker 6: Did you guys go to roller blade parties or like skating.
Speaker 2: Parties when you were a kid. Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I went to roller skating parties and fell repeatedly because
Speaker 1: that was the only time I ever roller skated. I
Speaker 1: ended up with like a giant like breast on one
Speaker 1: of my arms from falling over and over and like
Speaker 1: there's it's still discolored to this debt, like.
Speaker 2: Yes, thirty years later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a giant like filled like just
Speaker 1: welt that was the size of a breast, like it
Speaker 1: was created.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, okay.
Speaker 7: I mean my parents always tried, you know, their immigrants
Speaker 7: is like that, so they're trying to like get you
Speaker 7: to know all the American things.
Speaker 6: Total blind spot.
Speaker 7: Never knew that I had to like learn how to
Speaker 7: skate or anything like that, and so my first every
Speaker 7: skating party was a complete disaster for me.
Speaker 6: Clinging to them.
Speaker 1: Miles was out there doing work. Oh yeah, they're getting loose.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'd be like, oh, Sina June, did you
Speaker 2: fall down baby? Because I'm skating backwards and this shit
Speaker 2: because I played hockey, motherfucker, I'm out here. Yeah, insufferable ill.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I love those TikTok videos of the world
Speaker 7: bounds guys, though they're like, oh, like in their mid
Speaker 7: forties or fifties, and they're just kind of insig doing that.
Speaker 7: It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: I can never yeah, never, ever, what's something that you
Speaker 1: think is overrated?
Speaker 6: DIY projects?
Speaker 7: Do you ever watch those YouTube videos and it's like
Speaker 7: the guys I was doing backyard work and he's like.
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna level the sand out with a couple
Speaker 6: of little PBC pipes and so two by four and
Speaker 6: then you're just gonna wrap it up for the day
Speaker 6: and then come back in. They never show you what
Speaker 6: happens afterwards.
Speaker 7: They didn't show you, like the couple's therapy that that
Speaker 7: man had to go into after he ignored his wife
Speaker 7: for two days. And so my wife looks at these
Speaker 7: and we tried to do a backyard project and it's
Speaker 7: not the same.
Speaker 6: I looked at these.
Speaker 7: You it looks so easy. All of a sudden, it's
Speaker 7: like one hundred and five degrees. I'm holding like a
Speaker 7: fifty pounds two by two concrete paver and I'm like,
Speaker 7: I don't know how to level this sand. This was
Speaker 7: a total mistake. She's pregnant, she doesn't she can't hate.
Speaker 7: She literally can't help.
Speaker 6: And so she's just trying to tell me what to do.
Speaker 6: I was like, you don't know how hard this is,
Speaker 6: and cut to.
Speaker 1: We're carrying something heavy around for a long period of time.
Speaker 7: I did what it like, and then cut to we're
Speaker 7: like yelling at our couples therapists, like you don't even
Speaker 7: know what's going on in this backyard. It's like it
Speaker 7: almost ruined us just this one tiny backyard project.
Speaker 6: I was like, these.
Speaker 7: DIY videos are all scamps. They don't show you the editing,
Speaker 7: they don't show you anything.
Speaker 2: Else that happens.
Speaker 7: How many takes did he have to do to get
Speaker 7: that level sand I don't know.
Speaker 2: They also don't show the decades of work and repetitions
Speaker 2: these people put in to make it look so fucking
Speaker 2: You're like, well, that guy just did it in one thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, but he's doing all these computations as he
Speaker 2: does it that he's not even describing in the video.
Speaker 2: Because I feel like all the time, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: this would be easy if I, like had actual carpentry skills.
Speaker 7: It's not just like like a master apprentice of some kind.
Speaker 7: You know, I didn't know any of this stuff. I
Speaker 7: mean I went to law school.
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 6: I can write, I can pinch zoom on a touch screen.
Speaker 6: I can do that very well. I mean that's one
Speaker 6: of the mass thet.
Speaker 2: Can we see that index and thumbing? Look at that
Speaker 2: dramatic that the hand that hand he just snapped on
Speaker 2: that zoom. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, Every every DIY project, every cooking thing takes me
Speaker 1: three times as much as the time estimate. Like I
Speaker 1: I don't know what's wrong with me, but I am
Speaker 1: just so slow. I have to like watch it, watch
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 2: I'm old. I think is possibly what it is.
Speaker 1: But even like I have a bowling as recipe that
Speaker 1: is I'm pretty good at. I've been making it since
Speaker 1: you know, I was in my early twenties, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't get any faster. It's just three hours, all right,
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing all afternoon. Just don't come
Speaker 1: in the kitchen because I'm gonna be in there being
Speaker 1: very slow. I also like listen to like I don't
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to focus on the DIY products
Speaker 1: I'm doing, you know, I want to like listen to
Speaker 1: a book. I want to like to say yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like catch up on some emails that are probably the problem, right.
Speaker 6: The information age has given us this false sense of yes,
Speaker 6: the information is out there, and that means you can
Speaker 6: achieve whatever it's kind of conveying to you. And that's
Speaker 6: not that's not true.
Speaker 7: Like you shouldn't be doing these things, Like I can't
Speaker 7: do a wall installment of a cabinetry thing just because
Speaker 7: they did like an eight minute.
Speaker 6: YouTube video about it. No, don't do that. Why should
Speaker 6: I do that? It's not the right thing for me
Speaker 6: to do.
Speaker 2: What is u? What's something that you think is underrated? Okay,
Speaker 2: here we go. Oh speaking of here we go. Wow,
Speaker 2: we got a baby, the geist child cometh.
Speaker 6: Hold is that baby?
Speaker 2: Oh he's about to be six months?
Speaker 6: Oh so cute?
Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, what's up? Man? Hi? Look at those cheeks.
Speaker 2: Look at that baby? Oh my god, what I mean?
Speaker 1: Truly the most beautiful baby.
Speaker 2: He's like a Pixar a little baby. He is like
Speaker 2: a little Pixar baby. He has like big, like goofy
Speaker 2: animated eyes.
Speaker 1: He just beautiful, wide open, attentive eyes.
Speaker 2: Okay, you be quiet. Here, take that, Take that. Take that.
Speaker 2: See what is something that you think is underrated? Okay?
Speaker 6: Here we go here targeted Instagram ads.
Speaker 7: We we say all the negative things about our privacy,
Speaker 7: about how we're giving the billionaires everything. But and I'm
Speaker 7: so happy we're talking about the stuff we're having today
Speaker 7: because I wore my UFO slippers that I got on
Speaker 7: Instagram that are so comfortable, so amazing, immediately downloaded or
Speaker 7: immediately bought them with like three taps of my thumb.
Speaker 6: I think they just know. Instagram just knows. And I
Speaker 6: hate it that they know.
Speaker 7: I hate that Mark Zuckerberg is responsible in some form
Speaker 7: for all this stuff.
Speaker 2: But as senator, it's like they're good.
Speaker 6: They get me clothes, shoes, you know.
Speaker 1: How to and I spend very little time on Instagram
Speaker 1: and they they're pretty good already, like a cannemet. Well,
Speaker 1: it's also probably because they have access to all information
Speaker 1: across everything that I'm doing, but yeah, they're pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Whenever I'm impressed, they're like, hey, you like old
Speaker 2: rap and bast Ball, don't you? And I'm like, I guess, well,
Speaker 2: check this T shirt out that's combining these aesthetics, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, go on, it's truly. Yeah, it is a
Speaker 2: little I get angry though, too, because I'm like part
Speaker 2: of me wants to feel like some sense of pride
Speaker 2: as if like I could shake the algorithms or something
Speaker 2: that just don't mind that that's the guy's child just
Speaker 2: cooing because he also agrees that Nikes, basketball and hip
Speaker 2: hop go hand in hand. But yeah, like sometimes I'm like,
Speaker 2: maybe I should just look at weird shit to throw
Speaker 2: the algorithm off so it can stop giving me such
Speaker 2: just oddly specific advertisements. But yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 7: Then they were saying like, we don't listen, and now
Speaker 7: there's like a setting on your iPhone to make it
Speaker 7: literally stop listening, and so there's so now it's like,
Speaker 7: well they it's all out now, it's all just be honest.
Speaker 7: We're listening, and you know what, you like it when
Speaker 7: we listen. You may say you don't like it when
Speaker 7: we listen, but you.
Speaker 6: Like it when we listen.
Speaker 7: We serve you up that wonderful tailored wooden spoon that
Speaker 7: you've been waiting to get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tailored, wouldn't say maybe I need to spend more.
Speaker 2: Time on Instagram.
Speaker 1: It sounds like, yeah, all right, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: break and we'll come back. We'll talk fraudsters, we'll talk
Speaker 1: to UFOs. We'll be right back, and we're back. We're
Speaker 1: and the border wall fundraising grift was real and the
Speaker 1: people who pulled it off are now facing jail time.
Speaker 1: One of the we Build the Wall fundraising campaign hucksters
Speaker 1: just received the highest sentence yet for the scheme. He's
Speaker 1: going to spend over five years in jail. This is
Speaker 1: Timothy Shea of Castle Rock, Colorado, which makes him one
Speaker 1: of the most notorious Castle Rock residents not created by
Speaker 1: Stephen King and other defendants had previously pled guilty and
Speaker 1: received three years and four years. Steve Bannon meanwhile pled
Speaker 1: not guilty in is a waiting trial, So that we're
Speaker 1: was my heart a little bit to it. Maybe him
Speaker 1: reading this headline today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck fuck fuck, he went down to, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's a I shouldn't be a surprise considering
Speaker 2: that this was such a clear fucking scam from the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm again surprised that this ended up with people
Speaker 2: having to answer for their crimes. Yeah, pleasantly surprised by that.
Speaker 1: He pocketed approximately one hundred and eighty thousand dollars and
Speaker 1: was you know, it was a scheme to defraud hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of donors, so small donations from people who
Speaker 1: couldn't afford it, and he was just like, yes, thank you.
Speaker 1: He also helped wunder the money through various shell companies,
Speaker 1: so he knew what he was doing and did it badly,
Speaker 1: So congratulations to him. Is this one of the fraudsters
Speaker 1: you're covering, you guys cover.
Speaker 6: We covered a little bit of this in between the seasons.
Speaker 7: We do these like fraud wires, which are like news
Speaker 7: stories that coke order to this. We did it when
Speaker 7: it kind of like the earlier criminal complaints came down
Speaker 7: for this story, and I love it because it relates
Speaker 7: to a lot of other things that we've covered. We
Speaker 7: actually did last season. We started with campaign fraudsters and
Speaker 7: Trump was one of them. And one of the things
Speaker 7: that I think, don I know, I know, do we
Speaker 7: need a pregnant pause on the show?
Speaker 2: Just let me that's a baseless accusation. Do we need
Speaker 2: a disclaimer?
Speaker 6: I don't want to get you guys in legal trouble here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: But the thing is, you know, I think the corporate
Speaker 7: media has done a disservice to us to a certain
Speaker 7: extent because they've chased everything, but they kind of don't
Speaker 7: talk about the boring stuff that's actually illegal. And so
Speaker 7: this is one of a great example of this was
Speaker 7: a slam dunk from the beginning. You invited people to
Speaker 7: donate to something that was supposed to be a nonprofit
Speaker 7: and all this stuff, and then they didn't even try
Speaker 7: to hide it. They funneled this money out to a
Speaker 7: for profit enterprise within seconds. It was like someone was
Speaker 7: hit immediately as the donations were coming in, just to
Speaker 7: get them out of the account. There was another great
Speaker 7: example of Donald Trump during the herschel Walker Raphael Warnock runoff,
Speaker 7: and Trump would send out these emails to raise money
Speaker 7: for herschel Walker. You'd be subscribed to the Trump campaign.
Speaker 7: You get an email raise money for herschel Walker. Let's
Speaker 7: do it, And so you click like donate to herschel Walker.
Speaker 7: You go to a page you would talk about Trump.
Speaker 7: It would talk about herschel Walker and say do you
Speaker 7: want to donate? Absolutely all right, So you hit one
Speaker 7: click on your thumb, right, two clicks on your thumb.
Speaker 6: You're at the donation page. And what does it have?
Speaker 6: It has two fields.
Speaker 7: One is donate to the Donald Trump campaign and then
Speaker 7: a field with you could put in a number, and
Speaker 7: then the below is a field for oh, donate to
Speaker 7: the herschel Walker campaign. But in the two fields where
Speaker 7: you put in the dollar amount, it's pre populated in
Speaker 7: the Donald Trump field with one hundred dollars and nothing
Speaker 7: in the herschel Walker field.
Speaker 6: So you're just don't they know.
Speaker 7: People are just gonna be slapping their thumbs just like
Speaker 7: I do on my targeted Instagram ads. They're just slapping
Speaker 7: their thumbs really quickly, and they're just gonna scam their
Speaker 7: way into donating Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: It's instead of getting a cool pair of UFO slippers,
Speaker 1: they get to give their money to donate to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Or a Wu Tang clan nixt Jersey. Oh did you
Speaker 2: really tell me? Yeah? Oh yeah, we did that on
Speaker 2: in person. We did that one person. But I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna lie that. I saw those the outcast one got
Speaker 2: served to me on the internet, and I was like, I,
Speaker 2: between Jack and I, we honored our nineties wrap basketball lovey.
Speaker 7: At the end of the day, do you there's a
Speaker 7: part of me that does feel our show is all
Speaker 7: about vulnerable populations that get taken advantage of financially, and
Speaker 7: you can't. I mean, this is gonna sound terrible, but
Speaker 7: the Trump supporters are a vulnerable population, and they've been
Speaker 7: scammed and they've been taking advantage of Yes they're racist,
Speaker 7: Yes they're programmed to hate people and stuff like that
Speaker 7: for Fox News and stuff. But they are a susceptible
Speaker 7: group of people to influence and they have gotten scammed
Speaker 7: over and over and over again.
Speaker 6: It's just seventy four million of them, unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, you hate to see it.
Speaker 1: You just don't hate to see it quite as much
Speaker 1: as you do with other vulnerable populations.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My case.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of vulnerable populations, the fascists who are for
Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis, the job security is not great, not at
Speaker 1: this moment.
Speaker 2: It turns out it's like I said, like you said
Speaker 2: at the top, it's sole of fire in time down
Speaker 2: at the Florida fash factory. Because you know, recently, earlier
Speaker 2: this week, Desanta's assured supporters and donors He's like, okay, look,
Speaker 2: I'm firing a third of my staff because it's part
Speaker 2: of a retooling, a great reset, if you will, to
Speaker 2: make my campaign leaner and meaner, to be this like
Speaker 2: insurgent campaign to defeat Donald Trump. Yeah, okay, whatever, But anyway,
Speaker 2: one of the people who got caught up in the
Speaker 2: layoffs was his speech writer, guy named Nate Hawkman. And
Speaker 2: at first you're like, okay, fine, a speech writer got
Speaker 2: laid off, sure, But if you look deeper, you realize
Speaker 2: that this guy was a fucking Nazi fanboy on the
Speaker 2: payroll who contributed a ton of articles to the National Review.
Speaker 2: Was like, you know, talking all the time about like
Speaker 2: how dope Nick Fuentes is and like other groyper bullshit,
Speaker 2: and also got semi famous for gushing over how Tucker
Speaker 2: Carlson like called him once because he was having a
Speaker 2: bad time, I think because he was like outed as
Speaker 2: a Nazi. And it's also becoming clear that this guy
Speaker 2: was the one who not only shared a video that
Speaker 2: came out recently with a fucking sonen Rad or sun Wheel,
Speaker 2: which is like a huge part of like Nazi white
Speaker 2: supremac psychonography that had DeSantis like super imposed on it,
Speaker 2: this guy is the fucking person who made it. At first,
Speaker 2: they made it seem like they were just sharing something
Speaker 2: from a fan, but now we find out it was
Speaker 2: coming from inside the house. And it's not clear if
Speaker 2: it's the same dude behind the other weird ass videos
Speaker 2: we've seen come out of Ron DeSantis's camp. Yeah, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: just completely off the wall, like weird covers of Kate
Speaker 2: Bush running up the hill, like just all kinds of weird.
Speaker 2: Like last couple of video has been really weird too,
Speaker 2: But I have a feeling it probably a good chance
Speaker 2: it may have been this guy too, because of the
Speaker 2: Groyper aesthetic and just like the sort of shit posty
Speaker 2: vibe of all the videos. And yeah, you know, not
Speaker 2: good news for Ron right now.
Speaker 1: He seems pretty fucked, like pretty well fucked. Like every
Speaker 1: mainstream media, every every outlet has just agreed that he's fucked,
Speaker 1: which might be the best thing for him. I still
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to succeed, but probably needs to
Speaker 1: completely retool or do something to change the trajectory. I
Speaker 1: think the biggest problem being that he's just a fucking
Speaker 1: He's just the least charismatic human being you've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, try and commune from how the least charismatic Nazi
Speaker 2: out Yeah yeah, how they're usually really animated. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I think it's Yeah again, it's it's having
Speaker 2: like the charisma of like a Manila envelope and also
Speaker 2: just having no one on your staff who has like
Speaker 2: any kind of real campaign experience from what like I've heard,
Speaker 2: there's not he's like hired people who'd say things that
Speaker 2: are not yes, you know basically, And so I think
Speaker 2: he probably saw this, you know, this young guy, and
Speaker 2: he's like, hey, you're a young can you make some
Speaker 2: cool videos that will resonate? But little did he realize,
Speaker 2: like this guy, this kid is just like a like
Speaker 2: a four Chan shit poster type mentality. So you know,
Speaker 2: the videos that come out were only really resonating with
Speaker 2: other racist weirdos and not so much expanding a bass.
Speaker 6: I would say, nice guy, Nate, Are you kidding me?
Speaker 6: Nice guy Nate?
Speaker 7: He did this nice nice guy, Nay, what are you
Speaker 7: talking about?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 7: The Ron DeSantis is like there's this I can't remember
Speaker 7: where I read. It was like this chart of like
Speaker 7: his likability after the first time you meet him, and
Speaker 7: then it just like plummets after that because like in
Speaker 7: the news you see him do this thing like he's
Speaker 7: going after Disney, and there's a certain part of the
Speaker 7: population it's like, oh yeah, and then you like.
Speaker 6: Me and like this guy kind of blows he's so boring.
Speaker 7: And then if you even see all the videos that
Speaker 7: I normally am not like, okay, if they don't have
Speaker 7: a professionally run campaign, their toast, right. We got Donald
Speaker 7: Trump because of that. But he's good at the media.
Speaker 7: This guy is awful. Every video you see of him,
Speaker 7: he's got this weird robot laugh.
Speaker 2: He's like staring.
Speaker 7: His eyes are looking too big, you know, you can
Speaker 7: see the whites of people's eyes too much. It's like
Speaker 7: a huge flag. He like, it's just he's looking too
Speaker 7: intensely at people, and.
Speaker 6: No one can go like connect with him.
Speaker 7: I haven't seen him kiss one baby either, which I
Speaker 7: think is another flag.
Speaker 2: One thing I've seen him is wipe snot on a
Speaker 2: guy's shoulder, like the one of him at a fundraise.
Speaker 2: He like wipes his nose like aggressively and then just
Speaker 2: like pats this guy who's sitting down on the shoulder.
Speaker 7: You're like, you just okay, sir, it will be the
Speaker 7: most normal thing he's done.
Speaker 1: Watching him try and like palor around with people and
Speaker 1: diners is worth Like it's just him showing up at
Speaker 1: a diner and just yeah, laughing way too hard at
Speaker 1: like nothing and just freaking out, like not being able
Speaker 1: to eat any of the food because he's on like
Speaker 1: some strict Hollywood diet. But he's like trying to be
Speaker 1: like man of the people, sugar man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, give me that cheeseburger. Okay, where's my spit bag?
Speaker 6: You like peppers in your home fries?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No onions, No onions in my in my home fries. Please,
Speaker 2: I can't handle it. They acid is too much for me.
Speaker 2: And no potatoes either. Wait. Wait, what do you want
Speaker 2: like the red Yeah, just the green bell pepper. Wait,
Speaker 2: what do you have? A warm bowl? One ladle of
Speaker 2: chicken broth and uh cumin. He spices it up a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: I bet he's hung out with Gwyneth Paltrow before. Maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean he has.
Speaker 2: I would sooner believe that rather than Ron de Santa's
Speaker 2: being in some kind of like Hollywood goop scenario, that
Speaker 2: Gwyneth Paltrow would have been at Guantanamo Bay for some
Speaker 2: reason secret weapon. Yeah, like that's where they hung out.
Speaker 2: Like or she's like, oh yeah, this is just give
Speaker 2: me a lot. I love the aesthetic here.
Speaker 6: Those prisoners need to moisturize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she actually uses tears as moisture. It's like there
Speaker 1: there's something about the content of torture tears that she
Speaker 1: uses to and then she just enters the room and
Speaker 1: all the moisture gets sucked out of them and like
Speaker 1: goes under her body.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I've got this great idea for a new
Speaker 2: baby baby shampoo guanteer, no moores.
Speaker 1: Tear, no wars, oh shit, trademark that just baby shampoo,
Speaker 1: baby shampoof. All right, and then Trump seems uncomfortable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people over on the right seeming uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're it's always a big news story, like,
Speaker 1: especially when the Democrats aren't in the White House, the
Speaker 1: like Democrats in disarray. They're like freaking out and like
Speaker 1: wondering what to do and no candidate is coming forward
Speaker 1: and pulling it together. I feel like we're getting the
Speaker 1: pub the Republicans in disarray folks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's yeah, it's kind of freaking out.
Speaker 1: It took a lot to get the media there. But
Speaker 1: I think they're kind of also being like these guys
Speaker 1: kind of stink.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it wasn't the part where they were talking
Speaker 2: about how they thought Lauren Bobert and Marjorie Taylor Green
Speaker 2: would to start fist fighting at any moment, everything's all
Speaker 2: good over there. But yeah, last time we checked with Trump,
Speaker 2: he was screaming on truth social or rather like uploading full,
Speaker 2: like three page PDF rants about his legal issues. Again,
Speaker 2: that's the guy's child. You hear mooning back there, So
Speaker 2: that's should say, hello.
Speaker 1: Hi, capture that it's a drop, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Teaching everybody about the shitty former president. So right now,
Speaker 2: you know, like he was talking about how we felt that. Okay,
Speaker 2: there's obviously an indictment coming based on how much screaming
Speaker 2: he's doing on social and whether that's the DC like
Speaker 2: overturning the election case or the RICO in Fulton County,
Speaker 2: Georgia yet to be seen. But he's clearly in give
Speaker 2: me attention and money mode right now, which makes perfect
Speaker 2: sense because a lot of the reporting suggest all these
Speaker 2: cases not even you can just imagine all these cases
Speaker 2: require a lot of expensive lawyers, especially the ones that
Speaker 2: have like specific curity clearances and can deal with the
Speaker 2: kinds of issues that Trump has. So that's one issue
Speaker 2: for him. And also like these semi veiled threats he's
Speaker 2: been making the last couple of weeks, as it relates
Speaker 2: to his supporters that they're very passionate, and I'd hate
Speaker 2: for something bad to happen. I know you would hate
Speaker 2: for something bad to happen to you, guys. Child, there
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be like that groundswell of the Maga
Speaker 2: freakouts that we had leading up to January sixth, although
Speaker 2: he's trying desperately to try and create that atmosphere. So
Speaker 2: now he is asking Congress to please help me, and
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna play this clip.
Speaker 1: That you are sorry, and I do just want to
Speaker 1: acknowledge that. I mean, that was crazy. So during when
Speaker 1: Miles was doing the Trump impression, he just held the
Speaker 1: geist child up and the Trump voice came out of
Speaker 1: the geist. Yeah, it's an amazing impression. Did you do
Speaker 1: that resonant voice?
Speaker 2: You're truly my boy? You love that. He's really good.
Speaker 2: You hear that he's working. He's doing a lot better. Okay,
Speaker 2: So here's Trump begging Congress because he's the comfortable v
Speaker 2: confident nothing's going on. But you tell me if this
Speaker 2: sounds like somebody who's about doing this.
Speaker 1: Is direct to camera in front of conservatively fourteen American flags.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's crammed seventy thousand flags into one frame somehow.
Speaker 8: Congress, if you will please investigate the political witch hunts
Speaker 8: against me currently being brought by the erupt DOJ and FBI,
Speaker 8: who are totally out of control after Biden with all
Speaker 8: of his corruption, the most corrupt president in history, but
Speaker 8: they keep coming after me from the day I came
Speaker 8: down the escalator all failures. This continuing saga is retribution
Speaker 8: against me for winning and even more importantly to them election.
Speaker 2: And then he goes on he's there trying to fuck
Speaker 2: up twenty twenty four. This is their version of stealing
Speaker 2: the vote. I just love the energy that it starts
Speaker 2: off with. I'm just gonna play it again because he's like.
Speaker 6: Congress, Congress, if you will please Congress.
Speaker 2: I think someone was like, why don't you just don't
Speaker 2: sound so desperate? Right, Okay, yeah, Congress, if you will
Speaker 2: please please.
Speaker 1: He's reading off a prompter, like you can tell he's
Speaker 1: very He's one of the easiest people to tell the difference.
Speaker 2: And he's very.
Speaker 1: He's way less effective as a communicator when he's reading
Speaker 1: off your prompt.
Speaker 2: The prompt he does that shoulder pivot, like he changes
Speaker 2: his shoulder, his shoulders, Yeah, rocking, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Just imagine the number of people that I've had to
Speaker 7: learn to write in his voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Congress if you yeah, Well, I'm sure he has notes,
Speaker 1: but I feel like he probably writes a little bit
Speaker 1: differently than.
Speaker 2: The fewer words.
Speaker 6: Slit trimmed that down more caps, more caps, But.
Speaker 1: It does feel like weirdly formal, like he's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm doing the thing, the big like plan, you know,
Speaker 1: deaf Con five.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask Congress to help me.
Speaker 6: Ye doesn't throwing it back to the Escalator.
Speaker 7: Speech, which was the one where he called a whole
Speaker 7: country rapist. I mean, it's like, this is this is
Speaker 7: the one, this is the image you want to bring back.
Speaker 7: I guess that was like a great dividing line in
Speaker 7: our country because some people watch that and we're like, wow,
Speaker 7: this man's maning.
Speaker 6: Other people are like, what this.
Speaker 2: Guy makes a lot of stuff. Hey man, I'm Kermit.
Speaker 7: Kermit wesh man, this is what happened a kid does
Speaker 7: he It's like I just go into like some weird
Speaker 7: Elmo Kermit voice thing.
Speaker 1: Well, he's all about like green, green, grievance, polity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know where he's you know, it's not easy being green.
Speaker 2: Everyone Anyways, Emi believes that white men are being punished again,
Speaker 2: incredible work. We don't like those takes. White men are
Speaker 2: not being punished merely for the crime of existing.
Speaker 1: Hold on, but yeah, like so this is almost Dad
Speaker 1: does have a big soul patch by the way.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he is like one of those. He has
Speaker 2: like a muppet soul patch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know what I think about it. He could have been
Speaker 2: a January sixth, Yeah, oh absolutely. But the thing is,
Speaker 2: like we've talked about this in the past with all
Speaker 2: these stories, Like I get I get it he's being indicted,
Speaker 2: but like also, I don't have faith in the legal
Speaker 2: system to actually dole out justice in the way that
Speaker 2: like we see it, you know, be heavy handed for
Speaker 2: many other people. So the only thing that really makes
Speaker 2: me feel that this is somewhat real is just that
Speaker 2: Trump is clearly uncomfortable. Yes, And I don't want to
Speaker 2: say scared because I think it's too powerful of a word.
Speaker 2: And I honestly, I'm not sure he's capable of the
Speaker 2: sensation of fear as it relates to legal issues, because
Speaker 2: this man has been able to skirt, sidestep, juke, dodge whatever,
Speaker 2: spin out of all kinds of legal issues that I
Speaker 2: think for him is just more like uh shit, they
Speaker 2: might do Okay, you gotta do your thing now, more
Speaker 2: than like.
Speaker 1: Dude, please, yeah. All though it's weird, he brings the
Speaker 1: energy of an infomercial to this plea to Congress to
Speaker 1: like subvert democracy.
Speaker 2: He has.
Speaker 1: It's the same energy he has when he's like selling
Speaker 1: Trump water and Trump steaks. He's just like, all right,
Speaker 1: this is my next venture. I'm gonna talk to Congress.
Speaker 1: And it's something's going like the the Fulton.
Speaker 2: What do we call the Fulton indictment? Oh, this like
Speaker 2: the Fulton County, Yeah, county case.
Speaker 1: The Fault County charges seem like they're coming, and they
Speaker 1: seem like they're the I mean, they're the ones we
Speaker 1: know the most about, right because it was so out
Speaker 1: in the open.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he we've.
Speaker 1: Heard recordings of him trying to pressure the state's top
Speaker 1: election official to find eleven votes to flip the results.
Speaker 1: His campaign recruited fake electors who signed off on a
Speaker 1: failed bid to eventually replace three ones in Congress to
Speaker 1: like overthrow the election. A local Republicans snuck into a
Speaker 1: county election office to tamper with voting equipment.
Speaker 2: That's those are all like, those are pretty big and
Speaker 2: they're all talking too. None of them were like it
Speaker 2: ain't some Omerta shit where they're like, yeah, nice, try,
Speaker 2: I ain't saying nothing. I'll do a fucking ten ten
Speaker 2: ten year stretch on my head. No, they are talking
Speaker 2: and again, like like we said, the second Brad Raffensberger
Speaker 2: came out from like Georgia to be like, uh, I
Speaker 2: don't know if y'all know what this guy's just trying
Speaker 2: to make me pull. I was like, well, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know pu Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: what other investigating will need to be done, but hey,
Speaker 2: here we are.
Speaker 7: The thing that I think always he gets like exonerated
Speaker 7: on all the times in some of these cases is
Speaker 7: like his mental state and what he was doing were different.
Speaker 7: He didn't intend on doing any of these things. Like
Speaker 7: I think the January sixth thing, he may be able
Speaker 7: to get off for inciting violence because he's like I'm
Speaker 7: just talking. But these other things where it's like the
Speaker 7: classified document where they now have him on recording saying
Speaker 7: this is a classified document that I'm not allowed to
Speaker 7: declassify this recording where he's talking directly saying I don't
Speaker 7: think this was right, you should do this.
Speaker 6: These all speak to like his intention and what he
Speaker 6: wants someone to do, and then the act is the act.
Speaker 6: Everyone gets it. And so that I think gives me
Speaker 6: faith in the judicial process when it comes to this
Speaker 6: kind of stuff. Where I don't have faith in it.
Speaker 7: Is like when there's a jury that can be influenced
Speaker 7: by a narrative in a very clear way, right, like
Speaker 7: he was just motivating people to use the powers of
Speaker 7: peaceful protest. Yeah, I can see a jury just being
Speaker 7: like whoa, you know, and it's all kermits and so yeah,
Speaker 7: so yeah, that's why I think these ones are interesting.
Speaker 7: And I like how they waited at least a while
Speaker 7: to come down with these indictments.
Speaker 6: You got to really get dialed in if you're gonna
Speaker 6: do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's like with you could
Speaker 2: already see just sort of with Judge Cannon in you know,
Speaker 2: South Florida, how she's already beginning to influence things with
Speaker 2: her you know, love of Trump. But yeah, like it's
Speaker 2: these other cases that seem again where it has much
Speaker 2: less wiggle room, especially again like for this Fulton case,
Speaker 2: where like most people saw this without having to, like,
Speaker 2: you know, go through the process of like discovery or
Speaker 2: investigating or anything like Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 2: I remember hearing that. I remember seeing that. Sure, not
Speaker 2: gonna lie. A lot of people saw that.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break, we'll be back,
Speaker 1: we'll talk UFO hearings, and we're back. And so the
Speaker 1: the UFO hearings are being covered like live with live
Speaker 1: updates by a kooki ufologist website called the Hills.
Speaker 2: In Full Wait, no, the Hills.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but just like the texture of the whole thing,
Speaker 1: it's like this weird combination of like boring congressional political
Speaker 1: procedure and these super qualified like intelligence officials saying the
Speaker 1: wildest shit that's ever been set in front of Congress.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, so, I mean the opening statement
Speaker 1: that we had access to yesterday there or two days ago, Like,
Speaker 1: has this quote Miles that you pulled? Yeah from David Grush, Yeah,
Speaker 1: from David Grush. I was informed in the course of
Speaker 1: my official duties of a multi decade UAP crash retrieval
Speaker 1: and reverse engineering program to which I was denied access
Speaker 1: to those additional read ons and hold.
Speaker 2: On again just to say, this is the guy saying
Speaker 2: I was made aware of a fucking program where we
Speaker 2: were scooping up spaceships and then trying was.
Speaker 1: That who were you working for? Fucking the X files
Speaker 1: or the Pentagon?
Speaker 2: The Pentagon? Okay guy?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh. He also today said they were asking him like,
Speaker 1: do you believe that the US government is in possession
Speaker 1: of UAPs? And his answer to that was absolutely based
Speaker 1: on interviewing over forty witnesses over four years. And then
Speaker 1: he added that he knows the exact locations of where
Speaker 1: this technology is, and those locations were provided to the
Speaker 1: Inspector General and some of which to the intelligence committees.
Speaker 6: Drop a pin, Davy, Let's go baby, he come there.
Speaker 2: I want to know to there, drop a pin, send
Speaker 2: a location. I'm gonna pull up in that bullet proof spaceship.
Speaker 2: A two chain song went, I mean it feels so,
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, please, where is it? Can we see this?
Speaker 1: I mean, so, you know, as somebody who covers fraudsters
Speaker 1: and you know, people who scam other people, like yeah,
Speaker 1: that's been my The thing that I've had a hard
Speaker 1: time getting my head around is if this isn't true,
Speaker 1: then these have to be like people who are trying
Speaker 1: to scam us into believing this for some reason and
Speaker 1: just like completely lighting their careers and credibility on fire
Speaker 1: and the process, Like do you have you thought about
Speaker 1: it from that perspective? Like what what would their motivation
Speaker 1: be like if if this isn't true? Like what are
Speaker 1: why are they doing this?
Speaker 7: So there's two there's like one variable that I think
Speaker 7: makes me feel like this is accurate. Normally, when I
Speaker 7: hear something so absurd, when people say something like you
Speaker 7: just did right, This is so absurd.
Speaker 6: Why would they lie? If they lied, their whole career
Speaker 6: would be over. That's usually a red flag that they
Speaker 6: are actually lying, they are actually scamming you. And because
Speaker 6: they so many of the frausters we've covered, all of
Speaker 6: the victims have been like, surely this person can't be
Speaker 6: doing a billion dollar insurance fraud. Surely they can't be
Speaker 6: doing all these things that can't be possible. But this though,
Speaker 6: when someone's been working on something and they haven't been
Speaker 6: famous or haven't been making a lot of money for decades,
Speaker 6: they're kind of sticking to the same thing over and
Speaker 6: over and over again. For me, it's it rings true
Speaker 6: because a lot of these fraudsters need to make a buck,
Speaker 6: they need to get something out of it at the
Speaker 6: end of the day, or they're just insane. But this guy,
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think so, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess I don't see the end
Speaker 1: game for him and for all these other officials who
Speaker 1: are coming forward, who were, you know, in in position
Speaker 1: to learn about this stuff. They put whistle blower protections
Speaker 1: in place, and suddenly there were multiple witnesses coming out
Speaker 1: being like all right, like yeah, it's like I've seen
Speaker 1: enough weird shit that I want to speak speak on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think like his the closing part of
Speaker 2: his opening statement does he kind of sets it out
Speaker 2: like sort of what he feels the stakes are, which
Speaker 2: he's saying, you know, we need a democratic process to
Speaker 2: like evaluate this data, and it's our collective responsibility to
Speaker 2: ensure that public involvement is couraged, encouraged, and respected. Indeed,
Speaker 2: the future of our civilization and our comprehension of humanity's
Speaker 2: placed on Earth and in the cosmos depends on the
Speaker 2: success of this very process. It is my hope that
Speaker 2: the revelations we unearth through the investigations of the non
Speaker 2: human reverse engineering programs I've reported will act as an
Speaker 2: ontological earth shattering shock, a catalyst for a global reassessment
Speaker 2: of our priorities. Yeah. Also I'm saying I'm also got
Speaker 2: a crypto coin I'm launching you, right, that's exactly where's
Speaker 2: that of it? Exactly right. It's like get in early, dude.
Speaker 2: These NFTs, man, Like the first couple of NFTs will
Speaker 2: have little pieces of where you can find some of
Speaker 2: these UAPs. Dude.
Speaker 1: So I do feel like that's a really like clear
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very grandiose obviously, but those I'm also
Speaker 1: glad that he said it, because those are the stakes.
Speaker 1: Like we first of all, we face an existential challenge
Speaker 1: at the moment. If we, you know, gain access to
Speaker 1: some superior technology, maybe we can reverse engineer our way
Speaker 1: into not having to rely on smoking dinosaur bone juice.
Speaker 1: That is like turning the oceans one hundred and one
Speaker 1: degrees fahrenheit, right, And also just the getting us out
Speaker 1: of like a realist military colonial mindset that has been
Speaker 1: like kind of pervasive for hundreds of years now, but
Speaker 1: like the it is the most consistent driver of how
Speaker 1: money is spent over the last hundred years, like the
Speaker 1: argument that you need to invest in technology because the
Speaker 1: people with superior technology will always use it to assert
Speaker 1: their will on you, Like that, if you don't have
Speaker 1: the best weapons, then the other people who have the
Speaker 1: best weapons are going to invade and you know, bend
Speaker 1: you to their will. The US does that and like
Speaker 1: fully embodies that ideal. And then two like that that's
Speaker 1: always struck me as an important idea that is like
Speaker 1: hidden behind all of this is that there is this
Speaker 1: superior technology that's just chilling, Like they've known about us
Speaker 1: for a long time, and they are just chilling as
Speaker 1: of right now, like they haven't decided to come in
Speaker 1: and just harm harm people. And it's just I don't know,
Speaker 1: the I feel like it could upset like that ideal
Speaker 1: that under writes all of the military spending and all
Speaker 1: of the like military superiority. So that's it is kind
Speaker 1: of why I find it significant that the military is
Speaker 1: the source of a lot of this information. Is like
Speaker 1: they've been the ones who are like, no, I mean,
Speaker 1: we have to get the best technology so that we
Speaker 1: can like fight and like be be violently superior to everyone.
Speaker 1: And this would I don't know. It would suggest to
Speaker 1: me at least that that mindset that like the current
Speaker 1: like violent colonialist like realist ideal might just be an
Speaker 1: aberration or like a nasty phase that certain civilizations like
Speaker 1: go through on their way to becoming more enlightened and advanced,
Speaker 1: because that whatever this is has much better technology than
Speaker 1: us and hasn't decided to kill anyone with it. It's
Speaker 1: just like you know, observing, which I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe that's scary too, but I think it's actually like
Speaker 1: shows that you don't just advance to being like oh,
Speaker 1: like the movies assume that once you get perfect technology
Speaker 1: or like this like crazy intergalactic traveling technology, you are
Speaker 1: going to come and just destroy everything just like start
Speaker 1: using humans target practice for your laser weapons, like this
Speaker 1: would completely and like every movie has assumed that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like almost every single one.
Speaker 2: Because it all because it all has that sort of
Speaker 2: subconsciousness of just imperial activity. Yeah, that's what we do
Speaker 2: from colonizing civilizations. It's just been like and that's and
Speaker 2: it's just that fear turned back around, which is like
Speaker 2: but then they because just like how we had guns
Speaker 2: and they did it when we pulled up on both
Speaker 2: hundreds of years ago. It's like the same version. Man, Like,
Speaker 2: then what then what what.
Speaker 7: Have you guys read The Three Body Problem or The
Speaker 7: Dark Forest or any any of the books from that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I read the first two. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So I mean that concept of like we're in a
Speaker 7: dark forest in the universe and if like we see
Speaker 7: a light and I think they the aliens are just
Speaker 7: they know we're here and we're they got to make
Speaker 7: sure that we're not the violent ones. They're gonna come
Speaker 7: after them. Yes, with the advent of technologies and AI,
Speaker 7: I'm sure things will speed up over the next thirty
Speaker 7: forty fifty, if not one hundred years, definitely then we'll
Speaker 7: be able to get out there and start exploring. And
Speaker 7: what if we find something? What if we're the colonial
Speaker 7: ones and they have to be afraid of what we're
Speaker 7: going to do. So they're just kind of like checking
Speaker 7: us and making sure, like, oh, they're still they're still
Speaker 7: fighting about election.
Speaker 2: They're still smoking dinosaur juice down there. They're way behind.
Speaker 6: We're good.
Speaker 2: We're good, We're good.
Speaker 1: There's so many sightings of them, like checking out our
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons and like our nuclear power plants, and I
Speaker 1: think it's just like they're trying. I don't think they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, wow, look at this cool technology, let's learn
Speaker 1: about it. If all of this is true, I think
Speaker 1: they're like, are these fucking idiots gonna blow themselves up?
Speaker 6: Like, let's just that's my general opinion too.
Speaker 7: They have just they're just we are a laughable group
Speaker 7: of like Viking esque people that still are wildly violent.
Speaker 7: And if the only thing they're worried about is what
Speaker 7: happens when these people get smart enough, are they going
Speaker 7: to try to kill us? Because they don't understand that
Speaker 7: the universe is infinite, We still don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be like when they ruin their planet with
Speaker 2: the bone juice smoking, they're gonna fucking try and come
Speaker 2: after our shit. Yeah, let's fucking try and get them
Speaker 2: to figure shit out so they stay on their little marble.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's a wild And again, just reading
Speaker 2: that statement is fucking mind blowing to me that the
Speaker 2: guys like a decade's long, pro multi decade UAP crash
Speaker 2: retrieval and reverse engineering program. Yeah that that's just like
Speaker 2: that's just out like you know, now I'm just I
Speaker 2: have a million thoughts going through my head. And then
Speaker 2: to also learn that like half of these military budgets
Speaker 2: are going to like people who are like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: I found some shit if you often if you want
Speaker 2: to buy it off of me, because like there are
Speaker 2: private companies who are selling this shit to the government
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 6: Why do you guys think it's this isn't like the
Speaker 6: media loves crazy news, right, we love things that are sensational.
Speaker 6: It drives clicks.
Speaker 7: This feels like the most sensational possible story of our lifetime.
Speaker 7: And we're still talking about what you know. Twitter is
Speaker 7: changing the name to x It's like, give me aliens
Speaker 7: twenty four hours a day. We are hearing from c
Speaker 7: Span is covering this should be pumped in to mainstream
Speaker 7: everywhere all the time.
Speaker 2: Right, Instead, we're hearing about how Joe Biden's dog Major
Speaker 2: it gets real baby with people.
Speaker 1: That is important. It suggests that things are not as
Speaker 1: they see him in the White House.
Speaker 2: He should be booked, He should be His dog is
Speaker 2: biting people, not my president. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Sina, it's been such a pleasure of having you
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Where do you people find you?
Speaker 2: Follow you all?
Speaker 7: That good stuff at CINA now s E E N
Speaker 7: A n OW on all the socials at Fraudster's LPN.
Speaker 7: We just dropped our series starting with Jim traffick Hant,
Speaker 7: who was this Ohio congressman that was crazy who also
Speaker 7: said beat me up all the time in his congressional
Speaker 7: speeches all the time, which is hell parking back to
Speaker 7: star Trek.
Speaker 6: So he's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: That's cool, And is there a work of media that
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Actually, I wanted to share one of the pieces
Speaker 7: from our cold open on Jim traffick Hnt where he's
Speaker 7: it's like a highlight clips of some of the stuff
Speaker 7: they said. And he's absolutely insane and a lot of
Speaker 7: people don't know about him because he was from like
Speaker 7: the eighties and nineties, and so yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 7: he's he'd be huge today. He'd be like a million
Speaker 7: plus followers on social media easily.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: All right, we will link after that in the footnotes smiles.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you as their workimedia you've been enjoying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find me at Miles of Gray at
Speaker 2: all at Based life Forms. Wow. See got the only
Speaker 2: UAP talk in my brain at based social media platforms.
Speaker 2: Also check out the new podcast The Good Thief talking
Speaker 2: about the Greek robin Hood and our hunt to find
Speaker 2: this man. His name is Vasili's Palio Coostas, who was
Speaker 2: kidnapping millionaires and then giving money away to the poor
Speaker 2: mountain people he grew up with in Greece. It's a
Speaker 2: really dope story, so please check that show out. And
Speaker 2: also if you want to hear basketball talk, checkout Miles
Speaker 2: and checkot mad Boost. That's our NBA podcast. And then
Speaker 2: obviously you know about four twenty de Fiance where I
Speaker 2: talk about trash reality. Piece of media that I've been enjoying. Honestly,
Speaker 2: it's it's a lot of this the UAP hearings. Yeah
Speaker 2: again to see something on like a come out of
Speaker 2: like the House Oversight Committee's official website and have all
Speaker 2: this stuff up there. It's it's really just kind of
Speaker 2: it's doing my head in a bit. A lot of
Speaker 2: existential questions abound, So yeah, check that out right.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore, O'Brian
Speaker 1: on threads at Jack Underscore, Oh Underscore Brian work a
Speaker 1: media I've been enjoying. My friend Chris forwarded me this
Speaker 1: tweet from at dad Akin tweeted, I'm gonna be honest
Speaker 1: with you. For a period of time in the nineties,
Speaker 1: I frequently wore a T shirt that said no fear,
Speaker 1: but there was some fear.
Speaker 2: I identify with that. And he knew me in the
Speaker 2: nineties and saw all my no fear gear. So, oh,
Speaker 2: you're rocking a lot of no fear, no big dogs,
Speaker 2: you rock big dogs.
Speaker 1: I think I had a big Johnson shirt when I
Speaker 1: was like a love You had.
Speaker 2: A big Johnt you were rocking big. My mom would
Speaker 2: let me buy Big Johnson.
Speaker 1: I think I had one, Actually I might that might
Speaker 1: be a false memory. I had a lot of far
Speaker 1: side T shirts that was like my equivalent of like
Speaker 1: the kids who wore big Johnson shirts. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but look at the ride Marry Larson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this child is pushing on the door that says
Speaker 2: pull and he's a gifted student apparently. Yeah. Anyways.
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Speaker 1: well as a song that we think you might enjoy.
Speaker 2: Miles with the song we can people might do. You know,
Speaker 2: that's just an app title calling it. The track is
Speaker 2: called movie Finale because you know, I feel like we're
Speaker 2: maybe I feel like we're moving into a new era
Speaker 2: potentially in the next few months, it seems. This is
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