WEBVTT - Microplastics Exposed: What Consumer Reports Found in Our Food & Water Supply 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:11.040 Now really, really, now, really hello, and welcome to really 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.840 know really with Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who want 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.239 you to know that subscribing to our show brings so 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.760 much joy you can see it even on a microscopic level. 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:24.160 And speaking of microscopic levels, we now know that microplastics 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.880 are literally everywhere in our water, in our food, even 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:30.520 in the organs of wild animals found in the most 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.680 remote places on Earth. But wait, now, scientists are discovering 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:39.040 that there are even smaller fragments called nanoplastics, so small 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:44.760 we actually consume them with nearly every breath we take. Really, no, really, 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.080 these tiny particles and the chemicals that make plastics have 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.240 been found in our brains, lungs, kidneys, liver, and yes, 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:55.400 even male genitals. So as owners of male genitals, Jason 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.960 and Peter had questions, so they turned to the man 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:00.600 who actually tests the levels of microp plastics in the 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.440 foods we buy and eat, the director of Food Safety 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.360 Research and Testing at Consumer Reports, doctor James Rogers. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.959 So take a deep, plastic y breath. Here's Jason and 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:12.720 Peter very. 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.040 Serious, because I know what our episode is partially going 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:15.280 to be. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:16.520 About today and I was. 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.480 Just about to crack up in this this bottle of water. 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:24.000 And now I'm like, don't do it. Don't do it because. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:25.959 Okay, all right, because I know, you know, particulates and 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.720 water particulates, you might as well just chew the bottle. 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:29.160 Because of them. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.000 Because of the microplastic microplastics. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.039 So we read microplasics, water, microplastics, and food the one 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:35.040 now I draw the line. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:35.759 The headline is. 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.920 Microplastics Discovery and penises raises a rectal dysfunction. 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.840 Hello, And I said, no, really, no, really, I'm there. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.840 Let me ask you a question. Does it add then? 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:53.480 Does it lens, girth, firmness anything? Does it affect quality 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:54.080 of delight? 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:54.440 Well? 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:56.600 There goes on a very special episode. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:59.920 This is the while that I read great guest on 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.080 The problem is microplastics are all around us, in our food. 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:05.320 In our water, even in our air. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.600 I am getting a little concerned out environmentally about just 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:10.639 that it's out there. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.200 Also, when I always two weeks ago, when we. 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:17.480 Were talking to micro you were fine, life was good. 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:23.120 You know, being oblivious is a good thing. I mean 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:24.639 because when they start attacking. 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.040 Well, also, you know, we talk about some serious stuff, 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:31.359 but we we we try to do it with. 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:34.799 Light, oh light, and so how and. 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.800 Some hope to it because there's some serious stuff that 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:37.240 comes up. 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.760 But it always looks for incredible people in this, in microplastics, 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.960 et cetera, and in save food safety, but in looking 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:46.400 for this, and you know, I take it very seriously 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.960 when we book our guests. The cool thing about doctor 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.919 James Rogers, not only is he a doctor in microbiology, 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.480 but he's with Consumer Reports, the director of food safety 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.959 and research and testing. And what I love about Consumer 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.000 Reports is they're not beholden to anybody. They their own product, 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.959 They test their own product, so it's not like they 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:09.079 have to have research. We have doctor James Rodgers with us, 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:14.320 and how are you a doctor or James or mister Rogers? 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:15.919 A whole new time When you say it that way, 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:23.359 I've heard that my entire life. Sorry, more as you 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.240 can see, we're idiots. But I love that you're with 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.280 Consumer Reports and just get let's talk about that for 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:31.160 a second. When you walk down the hallway, there are 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.080 you opening doors and the guys on on a toilet 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:34.320 going testing testing right now. 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.400 Another guy's punching a mattress. Another guy's punching a mattress. 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.280 I mean they you guys like the remember in In 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.320 I think it was Banana's Woody Allen's character is a 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.400 product tester and he's on an exercise bike that goes 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.160 back and forth to the desk and he picks up 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:49.840 a phone and I always figure that's what it's like 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:51.200 a Consumer reports. 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.000 Doesn't look isn't that way? 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:54.400 You open the door and the guy's on the toilet 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.000 going now testing testing guys are dropping stuff. 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.640 Guys like the hallway of I wouldn't want to test 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.400 the jab in these toilet Like is the temperature control correct? 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.280 You know, it's always a shock. I know it's going 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.520 to be okay, and it still surprises me every time. 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:10.800 It's always I think there's I acted that up for 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:12.040 people not watching it on YouTube. 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.640 I went also, so is it is it? Is it 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:16.040 like that? 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:17.520 Are you ever shocked by that? Or is it in 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.159 a different building a different wing? 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:20.599 Well? 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.480 No, the way consumer ports set up is that there's 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.280 individual labs for each product. So yes, we do test toilets, 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:28.880 but what we do is we pull it up with 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:30.919 balls and plush it to imitate. 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.320 How do you mean that anyway? I'm not sure. I 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:34.400 followed you, dare you? 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:34.600 Oh? 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:35.080 Really? 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.039 You knew immediately what he's talking. 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:41.039 Yeah, you want the load. Excuse me that duplicates. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.719 They're not going to you're not bringing clarity. 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.039 They're bringing bustlers of people in from a buffet to 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.599 test their product. Is that these are scientists? 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.440 Somebody said we can, we can measure the density and 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:58.679 wait and duplicate and see how many flushes its. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:00.839 Work in front of her. 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:06.600 Even a non scientist configures figure Hello, announcement, we're testing anybody? 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.719 What do you tested the toilet? Does it actually flush? 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:10.920 Does it swirl the red wet? 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.359 You hook it up, You hook it up just like 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.880 you would in your own home, and you fill it 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.680 up with these balls, and then you flush it and 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.760 you see if that load is taken away and goes 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:23.320 down the drain. 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:29.599 But now you've got balls and your system and that can't. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.160 No, no, no, no no, it falls into a track trash trash. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.360 Really, as you can see, you really have to talk 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:37.159 remedia today. 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:40.760 When you do this, it's like, wow, okay, so look 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.320 who did research knows everything about consumer reports, testing and 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:45.560 laboratory facilities. 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.599 Oh I know, I know. It falls into a trap. 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:52.359 Oh, hold on the consumer, their flushing falls into the 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:57.159 sour system. All that's all. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.800 I think that's scientists, not the laboratories. And I know 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:02.320 that scientice gets called in to go. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.560 Hell, you're fleshing bulls in the sert system of the 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:06.440 You're fired. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:07.559 I think that's what happening. 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.560 I did an episode where I well had a thing 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:10.160 and it's blow. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:11.680 All I know anything that happened. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.440 So in your in your area of expertise, we're hearing 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:20.800 about plastics in water and food in the particulars in air. 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.680 Can you give us some just how dangerous it is 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.520 and what they're trying to do about particulates in our 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:27.280 food and our water. 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:33.279 Well, we have not tested microplastics ourselves. Well, we tested 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:38.120 with the plasticizer chemicals that are used to make plastic, right, 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:44.159 But there are connected and interrelated. So, for instance, microplastics 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.320 refer to very small pieces of plastic that will shere 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:52.120 all of a water bottle of a plastic container during use. 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:57.280 They're small. There's microplastics and their nanoplastics that are even smaller, 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.880 and if they get in the water, they get into food. 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.040 You consume that and then they accumulate in the body. 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:09.080 So there's the potential for there to be a problem 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:13.960 because those little pieces of plastic could let these plasticizes 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:19.200 or chemicals out, which have been associated with intocrine disruption, cancer, 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:20.280 high blood pressure. 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:22.720 But we don't know, at least in the. 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.640 Data that I've seen, to say that there is a 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.840 very strong connection between the presence of these plastics in 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:30.600 your body and an. 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.239 Actual public health problem or a health problem. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.680 I think the data and the information is being collected, 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.320 but I haven't seen where it's been proven that, yes, 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:42.600 this is a problem. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.040 Exactly what the probation. 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:49.000 But this goes into my wife, who is really really 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.160 concerned about this because I guess there's been a flurry 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.360 of new articles and new research that are being released 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.200 about these kinds of micro and nanoplastics. 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:03.120 So even things like we have a series of. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.320 Little dishes and pots that are designed to go into 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.560 a microwave. They're very hard. You don't even think of 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:15.120 them as plastic. They're almost like ceramic plastic. But one 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.760 of the articles said, yeh, don't do that because every 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.000 time you microwave it, you're releasing some of this chemical 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:22.880 into the oh Man. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.040 So in our article, yeah, we talked about do not 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:28.920 microwave anything in plastic. 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.320 In fact, in my house we got rid of those, yeah, those. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.400 Chinese takeout containers all that. We replace it all with 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.960 glass because of that exact problem, because the heat releases 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:42.440 it into your food. 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:42.920 So so. 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.920 Okay, So I mean, I don't know. I know this 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.040 is not necessarily. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.160 Where you where you guys would go to follow up. 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:56.560 But why we know that plastic and plastic waste, and 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.800 now these microscopic bits of plastic getting into our food 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:03.240 chain and getting into our systems. Why is there not 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:07.440 or is there a push to start really eliminating and 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:08.800 replacing plastics. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.440 It doesn't seem to be in that positive for the world. 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:15.560 It's a it was a consumer positive for a long time, 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.560 but now it seems to be a destructive element for 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:20.440 the entire planet. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.400 So why is there no global push to get rid 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:23.960 of this stuff? 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:26.240 Well? I think there is. 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.320 For instance, in Maryland where I live, they have banned 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.040 the use of plastic bags in the grocery store, right, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:37.000 And so there are different small movements, mostly by advocates 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.720 that are concerned about this problem, but there has not 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.800 been a worldwide push or a regulatory federal regulatory push, 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.440 it's more local. You have to understand that if you 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.520 get rid of plastics, what are you going to use? 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.000 It's going to be end up being metal or glass 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.720 or something else that can be shown not to cause 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.640 these problems. Right, The expense is going to go up, 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.880 the fragility might go up, the weight's going to go 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.160 up when you're shipping food imagine shipping it in a 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.679 plastic bag versus a glass container. 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:08.760 And what the weight is going to be. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.000 So there are a lot of things that have to 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:15.040 be resolved. But I would pose that there are some 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.560 people that are pushing back against our use of plastic 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.920 and trying to decrease it in maybe small amounts, but 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:21.480 they're trying. 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.120 What are some of the stuff that you've studied that 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:26.240 we would be shocked about. 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.319 Are shocked to hear or surprise to hear regarding plastic? 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:29.640 Yeah? 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.079 Yeah, So what we did is we did the testing 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.280 for plasticizers and food and so we went to the 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.960 grocery store. We bought eighty five different types of foods 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.280 and we test them for thalates, which is one of 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.320 the plastic sizer chemicals, and bysphonos which is the second one, 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:48.640 and This is a repeat of food testing we did 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.880 about seven years ago. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:52.000 And so some of the. 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:55.120 Things we found is that every product we tested had 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:59.560 thalates in it at some certain levels. Okay, some of 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.240 the problems that you may not expect to have thalates, 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.800 such as organic products. 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.480 Will have high amounts of tholates in it. 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.280 Fried foods usually has a lot of thalates, and so 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.840 we advocate that you don't eat as much fried foods. 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.800 Fast food had a lot of thalates in it, so 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:21.960 we suggest you reduce the amount of fast food that 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.760 you eat. There was one product that was organic that 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.960 had the highest amount of thalates and everything that we tested. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.880 And so what we said in the article towards the 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.760 end is we can't tell you how to avoid these chemicals, 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.040 but we can tell you how to reduce your exposure 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.000 by them. What food you eat, so a more natural diet, 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.080 more fresh fruits and vegetables, that type of thing. 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:50.000 Well, some of them are really, if I'm remembering correctly, 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.440 some of them are really not what you expected. Like 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.520 you open a tin can, you go, oh, a tin 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.080 can of soup, and you go, I'm good. 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.920 I opened a tin can of soup. But the liner 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:01.640 inside they can. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.640 Which I wouldn't even think of, you know it, or 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.120 inside a milk carton. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.319 Same kind of thing, and it's check out the Consumer 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.240 Reports article will be shocked. 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:12.440 Now, there was some good news. 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:19.560 The bisphenols, which is another category of plasticizers. They actually 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:23.880 were less than when we tested UH seven years ago, 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.320 and so that suggested to us that if these manufacturers 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:31.719 want to make a difference, they can because not all 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.200 the not all the tholates, for instance, were found in 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.360 every food and there were lower levels. So someone's doing 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:41.920 something better than others of trying to keep these chemicals 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:42.240 out of. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.040 What incentivize them to turn down the bisphanol rate? 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.560 Well, I mean one of them was that the FDA 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:54.320 banned this pinola from baby water bottles or baby bottles, right, 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.560 and so that was a start to actually ban these 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.640 products from food content surfaces such as baby bottles, but 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.480 it kind of stopped there, and so we would want 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.720 them to do the same thing with dalts. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.520 You know, as I'm listening to you, I'm really wondering. 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.360 As Peter and I joke all the time, I am 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.640 a big believer in ignorance is bliss? How do you 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:25.320 you know so much about how everything can hurt us, 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.000 kill us spinaticut. 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:31.360 I mean, do you do you feel you are a 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:32.079 little more. 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:37.640 Existentially cautious or worried about using the day to day 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.040 things we all consume or use in some way? Then 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.080 perhaps someone as blissfully ignorant as I would be. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:45.840 Well, let me give you an example. 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.840 I have a blended family of five kids, and they 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.880 hate to hear when I'm about to report something about the. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.640 News, right, and it's there's nothing that we can eat. 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.559 Like my son, he's a he works out a lot, 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.520 and we're going to test. We're talking about testing protein powders, 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.720 and either he wants me to test what he uses 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.360 or he doesn't because he may not want the bad news. 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.520 I think the way that I think about it is 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:17.920 I'm going to do the best that I can with 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.360 the knowledge that I have. Like I said, I replaced 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:25.840 all my bowls and using glass. We have some plastic glasses. 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.320 That's we're out on the deck, so that bread and chatter. 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.880 We replaced our utensil with silicone. I'm going to do 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:36.360 the best that I can within my budget and what 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.320 I can actually change now when I go out to dinner, 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.200 I know, I don't have any control over how they 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.360 fix my food or store my food, so I have 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.320 to accept, Okay, I want to take one, but at 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:47.960 least when I eat at home, I try to do 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.280 as much as I can. I don't try to think 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:53.680 about it too much. When I work for the Department bag, 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.880 I actually went to a slaughterhouse, and sometimes that will 0:14:57.920 --> 0:14:59.960 turn you off from eating meat if you actually watch 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:04.360 the entire process. But I'm like, I like steak too much, 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.960 So okay, So that's kind of how I try to 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:09.320 try it. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:17.800 There are legally allowed stuff in our food. I'm looking 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.480 at some of the worst ones here. Brominated vegetable oil, 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:26.960 potassium bromate, propyle parabin red dye number three, titanium dioxide, 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:31.560 all legal, all known to be detrimental. 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:32.080 To human beings. 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:39.200 How is it that it remains okay for the continued 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:44.160 use of stuff that we have proven it is not healthy? 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.160 You have asked a very interesting question. 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:06.000 How is it that it remains okay for the continued 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.120 use of stuff that we have proven. 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.000 Is not healthy? 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.720 You have asked a very interesting question that is so 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.840 confusing and perplexing. Let me take an example of the 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:24.000 red dye number three. This is a dye a coloring 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.920 that is used to color candies such as the red 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.400 Skittles or. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:29.920 Peeps, et cetera. 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.000 And it is a dye that has been shown to 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:37.120 be harmful. The FDA actually banned that dye out of 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:44.239 cosmetic products such as lipstick thirty years ago. However, it 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:48.440 has been allowed to be used as a food coloring. Now, 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:52.720 if you get skittles from the US skittles from Europe, 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:54.480 Skittles from Europe does. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.320 Not have red dye number three. 0:16:56.560 --> 0:17:00.560 Skittles from the US does they use like fruit dyes 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:04.160 and fruit extracts to color the skittles the red skittles 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:04.760 in the Europe. 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.600 And if you ask the manufacturer, and this was in 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:08.560 our article. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.400 Too, they would say, well, the Europeans are more concerned 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.160 about this. United States people really don't care about it. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.919 And so that's how you can have two different markets, 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:21.840 which I don't understand. It seemed like it'd be more 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.040 economic to have the same products here in the EU, 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:30.920 but you have two different markets. And so your governor 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:37.040 actually banned red dye number three and three other chemical 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.560 contaminants not titanium dioxide. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.520 In California, because. 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.080 We could not get any movement with the federal government, 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.959 which would be our Food and Drug Administration. 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:48.600 Okay, So you. 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:52.520 Have manufacturers that say it's okay, and you have the 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:57.879 FDA which is very slow in regulating certain harmful contaminants, 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.280 even with pressure from US like Consumer Reports and other 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:05.840 consumer groups to try to get these chemicals out of 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:06.480 our food. 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.280 And so how's it allowed? Was allowed because a. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.280 Long, long, long time ago it was allowed with less 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.720 scientific and public health information as to how harmful it 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.800 could be. And it just takes a long time to 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.600 get our federal government to move and get rid of 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.119 this stuff from our food. So I hope that answered 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:26.600 your question. 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:28.240 Yeah, unfortunately it does. 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:33.239 So the question that's backs into that question, then how 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.480 much pushback do you get? So if I'm a manufacturer 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.600 of this stuff and I have big money, I've got 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.040 lobbyists up to wazoo, They're saying this, I'm not going 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.840 to do anything. Look, I'm ghostling it. Do you get 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:44.760 how many times a week do you get pushed back? 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.000 A month or year do you get pushed back from anybody? 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:53.640 So, any major story that is really trying to address 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:57.320 a particular contaminant in food. I mean, let's use this 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.520 as an example. I told you what the manufacturers respond was. 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:05.240 But there was also like a not a smear campaign, 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.000 but someone said, oh, you're trying to get rid of 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.200 Skittles in the United States, and. 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.480 We're like, no, we're not right. 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.320 And so many times what they will say is we 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.439 have a safe amount of red dy number three in 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:20.400 our red skittles. 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:22.840 The problem is that. 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.680 I see is that are you using the most up 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:31.360 to date, reliable scientific information that really shows whether red 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:35.320 dye number three is safe or not? And if you're not, 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:39.440 if you're relying on the data from twenty thirty years ago, 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.080 then I'm not sure you're telling the truth that it's 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.680 still safe. Maybe you are, but can we see some 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.440 testing data or some public health data that will tell 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.040 us that. 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:50.240 It actually is safe. 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:53.800 Obviously the European countries did not think so, because they 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.240 demand that you get red dy number three out of 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:00.360 their red skittles. So maybe they know something that we 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.760 are not accepting over here. I don't know what that 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:04.399 explanation is. 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.879 So there's well, along with that, none of the fouly 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:11.080 levels exceed standard set by US and European regulators. So 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.879 that's one statement, and then the next statement of scientists 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.720 can't confirm a level that is safe. So now we 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:18.600 don't how much of this crap you can eat, but 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:20.919 we've determined that the level you can eat, that the 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:21.960 level you can eat the. 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.360 Safe Right now, if you haven't determined the level, then 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.280 how can you tell me? 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.480 What if I eat nine hundred bags of Skittles a week, 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.120 up my my exposure. 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.320 Again, probably not good, but we haven't determined that that's 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:37.080