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Speaker 1: Wow, everybody, It's Wednesday, June fifth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast where we are

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Speaker 2: praying for our friend Michael F.

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Speaker 3: Florio. It's me your man, MG. Marcus is a grant

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Speaker 3: joined by Lakwan Jones.

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Speaker 2: No Michael F. Florio today. As you probably could guess

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Speaker 2: by the intro where it is it. So by the

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Speaker 2: time we release this, by the time you as a

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Speaker 2: hearing this, ideally Florio is going to be in the air.

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Speaker 3: Is that what we believe?

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Speaker 4: Hopefully, I mean, he's on a nine hour delay right now,

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Speaker 4: so hopefully he's getting seated right now, and he's on

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Speaker 4: his way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he's, uh, he was gonna take a

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Speaker 2: couple of days, head back home to New York, see

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Speaker 2: some family, kind of getting it down for a couple

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Speaker 2: of days. Yeah, yeah, you know, stuff like that. And

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Speaker 2: he texts us or he actually tweets out this morning

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Speaker 2: that he's on a nine hour delay because of some

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Speaker 2: sort of mechanical issue with the plane. I believe at

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Speaker 2: last check he was able to get a standby flight

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Speaker 2: that was going to leave at noon Pacific time, which

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously several hours later, but not a whole

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Speaker 2: nine hour delay. Yeah, so hopefully again by the time

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Speaker 2: this is released and out into the wild, hopefully Florio

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Speaker 2: has been in the air for a couple of hours

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Speaker 3: Now. Air travel is rough, bro, it is.

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Speaker 4: It's been bad lately, Like I've been here in delays

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Speaker 4: from my friends and now Florio. It's like, what is

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Speaker 4: going on with these planes?

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Speaker 3: Man? I don't know, it's it's rough. I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: As long as the plane stays intact all the way

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Speaker 2: from here to York. Yeah, that's the the working part,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean I'll take a nine hour delay

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Speaker 2: for that, right, I mean that's better than the the

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Speaker 2: you know, door flying off somewhere over.

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Speaker 4: The tape on the side of the plane. Like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: don't get there, don't need that, don't need that.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you this. I travel is awesome. And the

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Speaker 2: only disadvantage for train travel is that obviously it's slower,

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Speaker 2: like if you but if you have the time to

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Speaker 2: travel like long distances by train, it is worth it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever done it.

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Speaker 4: I haven't done it. The furthest I did was Jersey

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Speaker 4: in New York and like yeah, that's like almost like

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Speaker 4: a commuter train, right, Like you know, you're wasted by

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Speaker 4: the time you get there.

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Speaker 3: It's all good.

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Speaker 2: But you know, like I've done, so I've done and

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Speaker 2: I had no intention of talking about train travel on

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Speaker 2: this show, but this is what happens in June.

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Speaker 3: I've gone from LA to Dallas. Wow. I've gone from

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Speaker 3: LA to Portland or Portland, Oregon.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even know they were Okay, Oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, it's great.

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Speaker 2: Uh, it is great, especially because like you know, you

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Speaker 2: spring for the cabin, like yes, you know, I got

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Speaker 2: like you know, look, I be honest with you, like

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Speaker 2: because like you don't have to go through heavy layers

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Speaker 2: of security or anything like that. So I had my backpacked,

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Speaker 2: I bought a I brought a bottle of whiskey and

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Speaker 2: a book. On the evening, I'm just sitting in my room.

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Speaker 2: I'm sipping whiskey, I'm reading a book.

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Speaker 3: Uh. You know, you can order.

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Speaker 2: You can either go to the dining car and have

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Speaker 2: food or if you don't like, you can ask the

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Speaker 2: porter to bring bring your meal to you. Like I

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Speaker 2: was like, hey, you know, I just want like a cheeseburger,

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Speaker 2: Can you bring it at seven o'clock, seven o'clock on

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Speaker 2: the dot, they knock on the door, there's your food.

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Speaker 3: It's I know when people do this.

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Speaker 2: More like I mean, like, I mean it's slower, right,

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Speaker 2: Like I mean, I went from LA to Dallas. It

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Speaker 3: The other part is that side note.

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Speaker 2: When I went to Portland, there are long stretches where

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Speaker 3: And I was.

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Speaker 2: Doing that once during the the scott Fish Bowl draft, okay,

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Speaker 2: the train. Maybe they have it now, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but I would like get back into civilization. And like

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Speaker 2: the grid, like I'm I apologize my bad. I probably

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Speaker 2: I mean, I probably should have set up my queue

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Speaker 2: no better.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, but it was great use.

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Speaker 2: He's asking the question. It took from LA to Dallas.

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Speaker 2: It was like two plus days. I spent two nights

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Speaker 2: What is the right time, man, I highly recommend it.

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Speaker 2: If you have some time to travel that way. It

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Speaker 2: probably way, uh, it might it might. You might have

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Speaker 2: to change train somewhere along the way, and it will

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Speaker 2: probably take you like four or five days. But it's

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Speaker 2: it's a lot more relaxing than airline travel.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna talk about our guys that we

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Speaker 2: like in drafts, the guys that we are at least

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Speaker 2: right now planting the flag on and riding or dying

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Speaker 2: for now. Mind you, it is June fifth, and so

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Speaker 2: that is likely to change as we get a little

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Speaker 3: So we will do this.

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Speaker 2: Again once we get closer to the start of the

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Speaker 2: NFL season. But for now, Lakwan and I each have

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Speaker 2: three guys that we are planting the flags for plus

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Speaker 2: we also talk a little bit of defense and special teams.

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Speaker 2: I know that not everybody you know rocks like that,

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Speaker 2: and that's fine, but LQ, you have been doing some

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Speaker 2: studying on this, and I know you've got some theories

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Speaker 2: with some sort of arguments to convince you guys, either

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Speaker 2: to leave.

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Speaker 3: It in your current formats or bring it back in

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Speaker 3: case you have gotten rid of it, so we can.

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Speaker 4: Spice it up being boring.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we are we are heading toward a

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Speaker 2: future where it's just quarterbacks, running backs and receivers. Because

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Speaker 2: I've even seen conversations about like getting rid of tight

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Speaker 4: Which is like crazy, Like soon as Travis Kelsey retires,

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Speaker 4: they're like, I get rid of the tight ends?

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Speaker 2: Like no, yeah, man, Like I feel like it's heading

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Speaker 2: in endangered species, they're about to go extinct in fantasy.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's try and you know, do our best, you know,

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Speaker 2: World Wildlife Fundate Foundation thing for like defenses and special

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Speaker 2: teams too. Before we get into that, though, let's dive

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Speaker 2: into some news headlines.

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Speaker 3: At this point.

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Speaker 2: It's mostly rumor and innuindo, but the things worth talking

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Speaker 2: about first. In Atlanta, b Jon Robinson says he foresees

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Speaker 2: the Falcons utilizing him the way the forty nine ers

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Speaker 2: use Christian McCaffrey. I know we have heard this before

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Speaker 2: from different running backs, Like basically, anytime a running back

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Speaker 3: There's gonna be like Christian McCaffrey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But there's the thing, Lukwan, not as many guys

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Speaker 2: have a similar skill set, like Bijon Robinson has a

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Speaker 2: skill set that does approximate what Christian McCaffrey can do.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe the Falcons are actually going to use

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Speaker 2: him that way? And if the answer is yes, does

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Speaker 4: I think I believe this. I think with Zach Robinson

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Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator, he knows what he has in the building.

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Speaker 4: So with Bijeon having the similarity play style and Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna buy into it. But for one oh one

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Speaker 4: that'll be me betting against the actual CMC how he's

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Speaker 4: actually being used for the past couple of years. So

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Speaker 4: I could see him in my ranking sleeping Brese Hall,

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Speaker 4: and I feel like, you can't get it wrong with one,

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Speaker 4: two and three. Well you can get it wrong with one,

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Speaker 4: it gives a low leap, you know, over Briste Hall,

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Speaker 4: where I feel like Bijeon will be utilized the way

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Speaker 4: that we were hoping him to be utilized with Author

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Speaker 3: I think I think that's the biggest thing. More than anything.

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Speaker 2: I think we are all as a fantasy community just

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Speaker 2: rejoicing that there's a new play caller, Yes, one that

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Speaker 2: is one that is going to look at his player's

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Speaker 2: where he is best suited, right right, They're not gonna

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Speaker 2: idea take Kyle Pitts, make him a blocker, and then

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Speaker 3: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: I do see a scenario where Bijon sort of gets

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Speaker 2: those kind of opportunities, right, Like you've got two really

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Speaker 2: good pass catchers in Drake London and Kyle Pitts. Why

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Speaker 2: not take a guy like Bjeon Robinson and use him

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Speaker 2: as that I don't want to say Swiss army knife.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that gets overused.

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Speaker 2: But that guy who can be that chess piece you

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Speaker 2: move around right the way the Niners do. Where Yes,

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Speaker 2: McCaffrey is a running back by title, but you'll see

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Speaker 2: him split out occasionally. You'll see him run actual downfield routes,

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Speaker 2: not just little outlets and dump offs. I do believe

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Speaker 2: that they can do that with Bjeon Robinson. Whether I'm

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Speaker 2: going to use the one oh one on him, no, no,

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Speaker 2: and not because he can't be good, and not because

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Speaker 2: he can't potentially finish as the RB one if things

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Speaker 2: break right, but mostly because I don't have to.

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Speaker 3: No like that.

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Speaker 4: I think you believe more into this, though, because we

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Speaker 4: saw him run a ton of routes last year. He

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Speaker 4: ran the second most routes among running backs out there,

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Speaker 4: so we know he can be out there, have his

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Speaker 4: head on the swivel and be effective and make a

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Speaker 4: huge impact in this passion game that you know desperately

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Speaker 4: they kind of need, you know, some weapons outside of

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Speaker 4: Drake London and Kyle Pitts to kind of step up

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Speaker 4: and be able to drive this team downfield, especially with

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Speaker 4: the Kirk Cousins coming back from injury as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think all these things are very possible,

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Speaker 2: and I do like the outlook for b John Robinson.

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Speaker 2: I just because I don't have to spend the one

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Speaker 2: dott one on him to get him. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: guess if I really really wanted him, and I'm sitting

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Speaker 2: at one. But at that point, why wouldn't I take

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Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey too, Yeah, exactly, like, why would I bet

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Speaker 3: To get the targets?

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Speaker 2: And everybody pointed to Dalton Kinkaid Not can he? Because

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Speaker 4: It's going to be constant weeks of like this may

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna say he probably won't finish as a

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Speaker 2: I think you've got uh, I mean, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm really thinking this out a lout.

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Speaker 2: As I said, and talk to you right now, I'm

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Speaker 2: because well, one, look, I think San Laporta is very

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Speaker 2: think the offense lends itself to that. I think Trey

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Speaker 2: But I think when you look at you know, say, Arizona,

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Speaker 2: I think they're going to run the football very effectively too,

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Speaker 2: I just look at Buffalo and I think, I think

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Speaker 2: I think I think Mark Andrews has a chance to

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Speaker 4: K oh Man. The disrespect for Travis Kelcey, it's not.

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Speaker 2: Disrespect like you can still be four, Like it's still

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Speaker 2: a really good season, but you're tired about a guy

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Speaker 3: I'm forty. I'm yeah, except you don't know it's Travis Kelce.

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Speaker 2: When he catches the ball in the middle of the

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Speaker 2: villain behind it, Like it's just this very cautious kind

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Speaker 2: Those are my Those are my picks to be the

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Speaker 4: No, I'm rocking with it and I like it being

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Speaker 3: But you know the times they are a change in.

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Speaker 2: A couple of things out of Dallas. Mike McCarthy says

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: This is definitely stamping it to where I don't feel

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's funny too you talk about that, and I feel

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Speaker 2: let's let's just calm.

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Speaker 3: Down on this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's just relax, let's chill pill and just enjoy that.

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Speaker 3: It's Gene.

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Speaker 4: We're getting some type of news, but don't overreact to it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I'm kind of at this point though,

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Speaker 4: I think we all remember the Chicago Bears backfield with

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Speaker 4: they all have different abilities, and nobody really came out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it really does. It's just really really hard

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Speaker 3: Think about it.

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Speaker 4: When the weeks that they hit more likely nine times

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Speaker 3: Do not want?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you could say they're all great,

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Speaker 4: But it's just the format figures it out for you.

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Speaker 2: Also I think worth noting is that the Cowboy offensive

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Speaker 3: It just seems good for un good.

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Speaker 2: You've got Brian Callahan out here saying that he's going

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Speaker 3: I think so, man.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is this is giving me Brian Edwards vibes.

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Speaker 2: But I think, you know, obviously for I think in

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Speaker 4: If this is where we are with him right now,

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00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 4: they'll hold on too long. There's still Brian Edwards managers

438
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 4: out there. I bring him up because it was compared. Yes,

439
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,520
Speaker 4: he was compared to the Torrell Owens and Randy Moss

440
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,760
Speaker 4: made it in a lab that one year, and yeah,

441
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,320
Speaker 4: that kind of held people on for another extra two

442
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,000
Speaker 4: years and it just.

443
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:41,879
Speaker 3: Did not pay.

444
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I I remember drafting Brian Edwards, me too. Yeah,

445
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 2: I mean I think, you know, look, the first year

446
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,440
Speaker 2: wasn't great. I think I tried a second year. After

447
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:51,919
Speaker 2: the second year, I'm like, all right, this is just

448
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,959
Speaker 2: not this is not the bee.

449
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,000
Speaker 4: I thought the Falcons he was going to be able

450
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 4: to make something shake and he did not.

451
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, after the second year when it didn't work out,

452
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, this is just not the move.

453
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,720
Speaker 3: And I'm just not I'm not that invested.

454
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 4: So yeah, you're not that Look, you know, hold on

455
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,439
Speaker 4: too long? You know when to let go?

456
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 2: Oh No, I mean, don't, don't get it twisted, like

457
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,159
Speaker 2: you know, ask him Kilani like he still gives me

458
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 2: a hard time about you know, I kept trying to

459
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 2: make Michael Gallup happen, like I kept trying to happen.

460
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 3: He was so good that one year. But I get it.

461
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 3: I get it.

462
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's I don't know if it's

463
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,160
Speaker 2: because we share the same initials or what.

464
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 3: But I just couldn't. I shouldn't let go. Anyway, those

465
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 3: were not my guys.

466
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 2: We'll take a break, come back, we talk about the

467
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 2: guys who are my guys and Lakwan's guys as well.

468
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 3: That's next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

469
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,199
Speaker 2: So, yes, it is early June, but yes we are

470
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 2: all doing best ball drafts. In fact, I should probably

471
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,919
Speaker 2: check to see if I am on the clock in

472
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 2: any of them. It appears that I am not, so

473
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,879
Speaker 2: we are good at this point. But look, there are

474
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 2: guys that we love, Guys that we are trying to draft,

475
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 2: Guys that we find ourselves picking over and over again.

476
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,199
Speaker 2: These are the ones we consider my guys. Now it

477
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 2: is June. There will be things that happen. There will

478
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 2: be news reports that come out of OTA's. There will

479
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 2: be training camp reports. We will see guys in shorts

480
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 2: and slow motion making athletic plays, and somehow I will

481
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 2: break our brains and we will change our whole strategy

482
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 2: because of it. But for now, these are the guys

483
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 2: that we love. So uh, we's got three. Will go

484
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 2: back and forth on them. Who is your first guy

485
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 2: for the month of June.

486
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 4: I will say, you did steal two of my guys,

487
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 4: but this is a.

488
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 3: Very good puce.

489
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: I made sure, like jump in first on the sheets.

490
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm bet sure we're gonna have some overlap here.

491
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 4: As soon as I've seen your guys, I was just

492
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 4: like this guy.

493
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 3: Just to two of my people.

494
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 4: I was literally just typing out I did notes on

495
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 4: But my first guy has to be C. J.

496
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 3: Stroud.

497
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 4: Like we come on this pod, we talk enough about

498
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 4: who should we get as is Stefan Diggs, Nico Collins,

499
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 4: Tank Dell. The correct answer here is c J.

500
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 3: Strout.

501
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 4: He's the biggest beneficiar here with this offense, and you

502
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 4: know they're gonna be clicking. I mean, able to have

503
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 4: six one hundred yard games with Tank Dell and Nico

504
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 4: Collins and company. I know other people helped with that,

505
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 4: but still he was able to do that. Now you

506
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 4: added in a Stefan Digs to that, I think this

507
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 4: number increases to where you look at the Fantasy points

508
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 4: per game and then you look at the division he's in.

509
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 4: I mean last year he performed very well. He averaged

510
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 4: twenty one Fantasy points per game in his division with

511
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 4: zero interceptions. I mean that's like six games locked in

512
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 4: where he has QB one upside. So that's why I've

513
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 4: been aggressively just grabbing CJ. Stroud like he is the

514
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 4: guy that I want as a quarterback.

515
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

516
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 2: No, I mean, look, he was amazing last year, far

517
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 2: beyond any expectations I think even the most optimistic fans

518
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: had for him last year. And I think to your point,

519
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 2: I don't see how you can add a guy like

520
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs and get worse.

521
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 3: Now again, to your.

522
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 2: Point, it's hard to rely on any or to predict

523
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: any Texans receivers.

524
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 3: I won't say rely on them because they're gonna be good,

525
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 3: but to.

526
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 2: Predict who's going to be the guy in any given

527
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: week in that passing game.

528
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 3: But by drafting CJ. Stroud, you get all of it.

529
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you get all of it.

530
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 3: You don't have to worry.

531
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: This is this is the part where I remind you

532
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: I said the same thing about Trevor Lawrence last year

533
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 2: and whatever, but I'm willing to double down on that

534
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 2: theory in twenty twenty four. Well, I'm gonna stay with

535
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: a quarterback, and I am going to stay in the AFC.

536
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 3: South, which is my guy, and I'm gonna give you

537
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson.

538
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson, who last year, in a very small sample size,

539
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 2: validated all the things we believed he could be. The

540
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: reason we were drafting him, the reason we were excited

541
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 2: about him was because of his rushing upside.

542
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 3: You know the fact that in what I mean.

543
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: A very short short stint, but twenty five carries one

544
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty six yards. More importantly, four rushing touchdowns

545
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: in four games. He was not afraid to take the

546
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: ball over the goal line, to take it in short

547
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 2: yarded situations and sort of be that hammer, you know,

548
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: on top of it. We're still obviously waiting to see

549
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 2: what he could be as a passer, but there were

550
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: signs that good things could potentially happen with his arm,

551
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: and there's a chance for him to continue to develop.

552
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 2: Now throwing the fact that he says he is up

553
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: to two hundred and fifty.

554
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 3: Five pounds, that's a big boy. That's a large man.

555
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: What that is he's at six y four last so

556
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 2: last year he was listed at two forty four, so

557
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 2: he's up eleven pounds.

558
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 4: Hey, that's all that rehab, man, that's all that rehab

559
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 4: and relaxing Ian chips, catching up on reruns and stuff.

560
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: I saw.

561
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: I saw a photo of him and Jonathan Taylor working

562
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: together at OTA's and somebody said it was like a

563
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: combined four hundred and eighty pounds of person in that picture,

564
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: which is yeah, but again it was a small sample size.

565
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 2: And look, the reason we loved some of the these

566
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: guys who have that rushing ability is because of that, right, Like, yeah,

567
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: those are free yards and the you know, throwing the

568
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: touchdown upside, This is almost it's almost free money on

569
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 2: top of what you would get from this player as

570
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: a passer. It's the reason we love Justin Fields. Obviously,

571
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: the the idea of what Justin Fields his pro career

572
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: is going to be is still very much up in

573
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: the air. Fantasy wise, we were locked on him from

574
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: the beginning.

575
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: You know.

576
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: I think similarly you'll hear the same conversation about Jaden

577
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: Daniels that you know, we you know, we don't know

578
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: what he's going to be exactly. We have our our

579
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: hopes and our predictions, but we know he can run

580
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: with the football and that's the reason people love him

581
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: in the later rounds, so usually about the time the

582
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 2: fifth sixth rounder. So that's what I'm starting to think

583
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: about a quarterback, and more often than not, Anthony Richardson

584
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 2: is the guy that's there for me. Absolutely, your next

585
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: guy is the guy that I'm I feel like the

586
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: ADP is starting to go up because I feel like

587
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: everybody is starting to talk about this guy.

588
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 4: I kind of blame us because we've been talking about

589
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 4: this for like a while now, but Deontay Johnson is

590
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 4: so slept on right now, and I really feel as

591
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 4: though people are looking at his last season and what

592
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 4: he put on paper and you know what he put

593
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 4: on tape out there. But we've got to understand the

594
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 4: situation was horrendous, you know, with the quarterback play, and

595
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 4: we seen him going to you know, shifting over to

596
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 4: Bryce Young where people are still questioning the quarterback play.

597
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 4: But I believe that that Bryce Young will have this

598
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 4: bounce back where we saw Deontay Johnson have an elite

599
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 4: target share with Kenny Pickett, Mitchell Trubisky, you know, a

600
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 4: broken big Ben and I think Bryce Young is better

601
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 4: than all three of those guys in their times when

602
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 4: they were starting. So with this elite target share, he's

603
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 4: one of the guys that are living in the seventh

604
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: round that is getting off the board as your wide

605
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 4: receiver three or four that has an elite path to

606
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 4: a at least twenty four percent target share on the offense

607
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 4: that cannot be as bad as it was last year.

608
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 4: You know, we have to have some type of progression forward,

609
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 4: and with the new additions, I think that you knows,

610
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 4: ab look at he'll get his work. Adam Thielen is

611
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 4: still working that this offense has the ability to move forward,

612
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 4: and with the running back room as well, with Cuba,

613
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 4: Jonathan Brooks and stuff like that, I think that this

614
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 4: offense would be able to convert on third down, get

615
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 4: more plays, more time on the field, which equals more

616
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 4: fantasy points for a guy like Deontay Johnson who's still

617
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 4: able to create separation and go downfield and make the

618
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 4: big plays.

619
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: I mean less we forget Adam Feelin finished as the

620
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 2: wide receiver seventeen last year, one hundred and three catches

621
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: over one thousand yards. Insane, It's crazy. I mean for

622
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: a guy that we had pretty much written off. I

623
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: think as a community we're just like, well, you know,

624
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: his best days are long. He's behind him, you know

625
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: he is he even gonna be the number one target

626
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: in Carolina. And you know then, like you know, six

627
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 2: weeks in, we're like, holy crap, Like Adam Felin is

628
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 2: doing things.

629
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: What's happening? What is happening.

630
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: If Adam Feeling can do that, Deontay Johnson I think

631
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 2: can surpass those numbers. I think he steps in as

632
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: the number one wide receiver. He gives Bryce Young a target,

633
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 2: a guy who can get open, you know, more consistently.

634
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 3: Than anybody they had.

635
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 4: And can get open quickly, because I think that was

636
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 4: the problem last year. Guys weren't able to get open quickly,

637
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 4: like it was in slow motion. It's like which speed

638
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 4: am I watching this video in? Because nobody's getting open

639
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: and moving right.

640
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: I know, the hot take episode.

641
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: But my other big take for this season is that

642
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: Bryce Young is going to be named the most improved

643
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 2: player by over the year.

644
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

645
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe that's the thing. I didn't even question

646
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 4: his talent last year. We were more so just honing

647
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 4: in on the situation. Though Lione was bad, they didn't

648
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 4: really have a great wide receiver Cord. What do you

649
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 4: expect for him to do at this point? You know?

650
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, everything around him was bad. Now everything around

651
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: him is less bad. So less bad. It's less not good,

652
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: but it's less They still have work to do, without

653
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: a doubt, but.

654
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: They need to execute all this.

655
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: That's what it is.

656
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: It is less bad.

657
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: And I guess the benefit for Carolina is that they

658
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: are in a division that still isn't great now a.

659
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 4: Lot of a lot of figuring out there so they

660
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 4: could step up.

661
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, Tampa won the division at nine

662
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: and eight the same for nine and eight. The Falcons

663
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: are seven to ten. You know, I expect that Landa

664
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: is going to be better. I think Tampa is going

665
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: to be competitive. But you know, this isn't like you're

666
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: playing in the NFC North. You're not playing in the

667
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: NFC West. You know where you've got some actual dogs

668
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: out there really deal with. So I mean that that is,

669
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: if there's a benefit for Carolina, it is that, you know,

670
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: location wise, they're in a good place to be. Are

671
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: the guy and this is sort of maybe a weird one,

672
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: but it's James Connor, mostly because of where he is

673
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: available in drafts. I have found that when you know,

674
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: if I'm going more zero RB, if I'm not taking

675
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: that position early, he's available you know a lot later.

676
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: And yeah, I get it. He has been.

677
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: Injury prone at times in his career, but when he's healthy,

678
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: he's incredibly productive. He's still really really good. And if

679
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: the Cardinals use him in any number of ways, and

680
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: I think he's only going to be helped by the

681
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: fact that they will have a competent passing game this year,

682
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: having Harrison, having McBride, having a healthy Kyler Murray h

683
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: means that the defenses do have to pay attention to

684
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: that part of the game, but should hopefully open some

685
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: things up for Connor. I just again, it's more about

686
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: the ADP than specifically about the player, and I do

687
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: think he's a good player. Similarly, I do like Trey Benson.

688
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: I'm not really like mak him one of my guys,

689
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: but I am finding myself. If I don't get Connor,

690
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: I will wait and I'll get Trey Benson.

691
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 4: Because we know, you know, Connor's gonna miss some games,

692
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 4: and you know usually it's toward the middle to the

693
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 4: back end of the season, so it's like round playoff time.

694
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 4: I definitely wanted Trey Benson, especially if this Cardinals offense is,

695
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 4: you know, going out there and making big plays, showing

696
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 4: up and showing out. So yeah, I'll wait, I'll handcuff.

697
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 4: I'm a handcuffer. I don't care. I'll say it, I'm

698
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 4: a handcoff. I'll get James Connor in the eighth rown,

699
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: and then I'll go two rounds later and get Trey Benson.

700
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 4: I don't care.

701
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I don't hate it, so but I

702
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: James Connor definitely a dude that that I like.

703
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: I guess what we're talking about veteran players. Uh, it's

704
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: time for your next guy.

705
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 4: And I feel like this is crazy that you know,

706
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 4: Chris Godwin's falling in drafts as well as you know,

707
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 4: as far as he is, but he's such a reliable

708
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 4: wide receiver where I can't quit him. I mean, you

709
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 4: look at this past season. It was something new for him.

710
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: I mean he was playing majority out wide. That's not

711
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 4: something he's been doing for the last couple of seasons.

712
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 4: And he's playing sixty percent out wide versus thirty percent

713
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: in the slot. That's not really where he creates the magic.

714
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 4: It's not where he's the most productive. And again he's

715
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: going later in drafts where he's your wide receiver three

716
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 4: or four. He's up there in the likes of where

717
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 4: it comes to catchery of a Cooper Cup, a Tyler Lockett,

718
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 4: guys that you know can just hone in and just

719
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 4: get the catches and make something happen after to catch.

720
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 4: So he's a guy that I need on my roster.

721
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: Man.

722
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 4: I need him in the little wide receiver three, wide

723
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 4: receiver four range because this draft is where you can

724
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 4: go wide receiver heavy and then getting a guy that's

725
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 4: going to have a decent target share as well, like

726
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: a twenty percent range to the twenty two percent range

727
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 4: where he's going to be also involved in the red zone.

728
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 4: So you have the wide receiver coach coming out publicly

729
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 4: saying that Chris guy's going back to be playing majority

730
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 4: in the slot. That is great news. And his ADP

731
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: does not reflect anybody knowing this information, which I probably

732
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 4: just helped, you know, move the ad up. But hey,

733
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 4: I don't care, but just go out there and get

734
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 4: you a Chris Godwin. He's my guy, just because reliable

735
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 4: hands are so important to me. When you get a

736
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 4: guy playing out a slot.

737
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: It is it is that thing about going back to

738
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: the slot that I think it's a lot of us

739
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: excited about what Chris Godwin can be. He was so

740
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: productive there before, so now you're putting him back in

741
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: that situation where he's comfortable again and again. I think

742
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: it's similar to James Connor, where that that ADP is

743
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: so good h for a guy that we know what

744
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: he can be that I think it's it's interesting. Look,

745
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: I think I believe I'm going to double check this

746
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: before I just say this out loud.

747
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: For the whole world to hear.

748
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: But last year it was Chris Godwin who had the

749
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: most catches. In that off you had more catches than

750
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: Mike Evans. Evans had the you know, the big splash

751
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: players the other thirteen touchdowns, but Chris Godwin had more catches.

752
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 4: So mean a reliable hands are still there even though

753
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 4: he had his lowest catchery since twenty eighteen. So it's like,

754
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: get this guy back to where he wants to create

755
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 4: magic and where he could be really productive and he

756
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 4: can give us all fantasy managers some really good weeks.

757
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 4: Man Like, I'm not looking for much out of him

758
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: as my wide receiv three or four, But when you

759
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 4: get a guy like him, I know there's gonna be

760
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 4: weeks where he's gonna have like twenty Fantasy points in

761
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 4: a touchdown or two.

762
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

763
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: No, one hundred percent. I'm with you on that for sure.

764
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: My last one. And we're going back to Carolina. We

765
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time in the NFC South.

766
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 4: Here a bounce back season.

767
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: Jonathan Brooks, first running back that was taken in the

768
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: NFL draft, and that's despite coming off of an aclchaer

769
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: coming out of college.

770
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: Yep, it looks.

771
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: Like he may be ready for the start of the season,

772
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: or at least the early part of the season, which

773
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: is certainly encouraging. I'm looking at Jonathan Brooks as a

774
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: guy you can really roll with in the latter half

775
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: of the season, and I know, especially in Best Ball drafts.

776
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: That's important.

777
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: You want you want your guys to be playing at

778
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: their best in those last few weeks as you get

779
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: to weeks you know, fifteen sixteen.

780
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 4: Seven such an underrated strategy in draft it is.

781
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: And so I think Jonathan Brooks, like you know, if

782
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 2: you are drafting him, understand there will be a ramp

783
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: up period. And I wouldn't even be totally surprised if

784
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: you see Cuba Hubbard as the RB one at the

785
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: start of the season. But I think that's going to

786
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: transition as you start to get midway through the year.

787
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: I am not concerned about Miles Sanders in the offense,

788
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 3: you know.

789
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean this goes but this goes back

790
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: to your point too about Deontay Johnson. It was part

791
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: of the upgrades that Carolina made with their offense, understanding

792
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: how bad it was last year and doing everything in

793
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: their power to try and get some help for Bryce Young.

794
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: And so Jonathan Brooks is a guy that you know

795
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 2: is a super talented player. Uh, you know at Texas

796
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: was stuck behind you know, guy's name Jehan Robinson and

797
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: Roshawn Johnson. Don't know if you ever heard of him,

798
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 2: you know, but got his chance to shine and really

799
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: did well with it. Credibly talented player. Now lands in

800
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: a situation where I think he can out compete everybody

801
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: for those opportunities, you know. And again another one where

802
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: the ADP is nice. You're not having to reach really high.

803
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: To get him.

804
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: You can sort of get him in those middle rounds,

805
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: and as long as you have the depth to wait

806
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: on him for a few weeks, maybe a month, you know,

807
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: six weeks something like that, I think he's going to

808
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: be a really productive player for a lot.

809
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I absolutely agree. And like going back to that

810
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 4: underrated draft strategy. I mean, you want guys that are

811
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 4: going to ramp up on the back end of the

812
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 4: season when you're making this playoff push or when you're

813
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: sitting comfortable, like, hey, I can go deep into playoffs

814
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 4: with this squad, And like getting a guy like Trey

815
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: Benson or Jonathan Brooks, like as much as you know

816
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 4: everybody down talk this running back class, they're becoming contributors

817
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 4: and valuable pieces later in these drafts that are looking

818
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 4: at upside to taking over the backfield. So that one

819
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 4: hundred percent agree getting Jonathon Brooks later in those rounds.

820
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, you know, those are the guys that we love.

821
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: We'll do this again, especially when Florio is back, and

822
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: I'm curious of who his guys are since she stole

823
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: two of mine. I mean, you know, Josh Allen, James Cook,

824
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: Dalton k.

825
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: That's a lock. I'm joking.

826
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll do this again later this summer and

827
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: we'll get Florio's guys as well.

828
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 3: In here.

829
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: We are not done. We're gonna shift gears. Were gonna

830
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: talk to some defense and special teams. That's coming up

831
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. All right, So,

832
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: I know a lot of folks out there are sort

833
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: of down on the idea of including DSTs. They're trying

834
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: to eliminate them, or maybe they have already eliminated them

835
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: from their leagues. But you know, as of now, there's

836
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: still a lot of people who do play with them,

837
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: and there's still they still exist. Defense and special teams

838
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 2: still exists as a thing in the actual NFL. So

839
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 2: look on you have been doing some studying on this

840
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: this offseason and trying to figure out ways to save

841
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: what looks like and endangered species before it goes extinct.

842
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: So I mean overall, like, have you had any big

843
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: takeaways from what you've researched about DSTs this offseason?

844
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:17,479
Speaker 3: Yeah?

845
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 4: I was like really surprised in some teams that I

846
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 4: thought were like kind of middle to pack teams that

847
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 4: were like not really high on the boards of like

848
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 4: sacks and takeaways and stuff like that. But I was

849
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 4: really impressed with somebody's special team, Like notes like the

850
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 4: Jaguars had the most return yards and that's kick return

851
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 4: and punt return in the league last year, and it's like,

852
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 4: why aren't we rewarding these teams? You know, So, like

853
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 4: I think the way that we can improve the scoring

854
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 4: and make it a little bit more fun, like I've

855
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: been calling this DST plus where we add those return yards,

856
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 4: Like we're kind of cheating ourselves now, Like you get

857
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 4: points if they score on a punt return, you get

858
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 4: points if they score in a kick return, But what

859
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: about all those yards? Like there's so many teams that

860
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 4: are up there in the special teams that have really

861
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: strong special teams that can push these teams above the

862
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 4: league average of like fantasy points per game. So like

863
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 4: you look at I put all this on the spread street,

864
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 4: I'm looking at all these teams in the league average

865
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 4: last year with seven point two fantasy points per game.

866
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 4: That is disgusting, Like you wouldn't start a player for that.

867
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 4: So when you add in like these return yards, the

868
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: league average becomes eleven point four fantasy points per game.

869
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 4: I can work with that.

870
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's funny. So you mentioned the adding

871
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: the return yards.

872
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: I mean, how many times have you seen a guy

873
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: if you have a DST and you see a guy

874
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 2: who breaks a long one I think it's caught right,

875
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: and you're like, well, I was useless.

876
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: I mean get you get nothing.

877
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 4: Nothing for it out at all. So I understand why

878
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 4: people are kicking it out of the league because in

879
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 4: a way, you're kind of cheating yourself. Like we I

880
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 4: feel as though the only way you can make this

881
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 4: is fun is if you add like DST plus where

882
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: the return yards or I have this DST plus plus

883
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 4: where you in sack yards where you can try to

884
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 4: get points on every single you know, play of where

885
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 4: the special teams needs to be included in DST. Like,

886
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: I just feel that we're cheating ourselves here, man. And

887
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 4: I was about to say, like, you look at a

888
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 4: team last year, like the Packers, they were ranked twenty

889
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: first in standard DST scoring, They led the league in

890
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 4: kick return yards. Shouldn't they be rewarded for that? No,

891
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 4: Like they go from if you add the DST plus

892
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: with return yards, they go from the twenty first defense

893
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 4: to ranked eleventh best, averaging twelve point five fantasy points

894
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 4: per game. That is incredible. Like, we kind of need

895
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 4: to have these back into leagues because they bring in

896
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 4: valuable points. Like how many times have you lost because

897
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 4: your kicker missed a bunch of points or your defense

898
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 4: gave up like forty points but they had really good

899
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 4: special teams. They had a lot of yards, but you

900
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 4: got no points for it.

901
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

902
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 2: No, I mean I think I think that's that's important,

903
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: especially when you talk about in the actual game how

904
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: important special.

905
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 3: Teams can be in terms of changing a game.

906
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: How if you have a a good punter or a

907
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: good punt returner, how you can flip the field a

908
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: lot of times and really set things up for your offense.

909
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: I like the idea of including sackyards uh as part

910
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: of this as well. I mean, like sackyardist comes off

911
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: of your overall passing totals, your team passing totals. I

912
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: think defensively you should get some reward for that as well,

913
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, like it's it's wild you have

914
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: a quarterback who scrambles around and somehow gets you know,

915
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: tackled ten yards behind the line of scrimmage.

916
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 3: Uh, that's cool. You get two points for it? Yeah, yeah,

917
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: it's it right now?

918
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 4: Like why, Like, no, I need more than that.

919
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

920
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: I kind of like some of this stuff just curious,

921
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: Like when you you know, in leagues you play in

922
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 2: that still do have.

923
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 3: Defenses, what sort of things do you look at?

924
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: Cause I feel like, you know, a lot of us

925
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: just look at you're like, oh, yeah, the forty nine ers,

926
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: they have a good defense. I'll just draft them, Like

927
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: are do you do you think a little bit deeper

928
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: than that when it comes time to pick a defense.

929
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: Uh?

930
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like the takeaways have to be there, and I

931
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 4: think you know, sacks are cool, but most of the

932
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 4: points come from the takeaways, Like you're getting two points

933
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 4: on fumbles, you're getting two points on interceptions and etc.

934
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 4: Pick six and whatever, you get six points there. But

935
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 4: sacks are only like one point, so you get a

936
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 4: little extra cheese. And like, I don't think you're going

937
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 4: to be seeing you know, the sas rack up in

938
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: the game, unless you're playing the Panthers last year, where

939
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 4: you know that's a different situation.

940
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: Exactly.

941
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, But like you look at teams that like, like

942
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: I bring DST plus again, Like you look at teams

943
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: like the Saints who were kind of middle of the

944
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 4: pack and sacks, but they made up for with the turnovers.

945
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 4: Now you add in DST plus, you get more options

946
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 4: to look at and lean on with these different teams

947
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 4: because you add in the DST plus. With the Saints,

948
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 4: they had a top ten special teams last season. I

949
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 4: know that sounds, you know, a little boring and nasty,

950
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 4: but they would have averaged thirteen point fantasy points per game.

951
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 4: And you look at these league averages with these other

952
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 4: teams and I mean other positions and stuff, like we're

953
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 4: looking at ten fantasy points per game with the wide

954
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 4: receivers seven points per game, you know, with tight ends

955
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 4: and stuff, like that. So they're going to be able

956
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 4: to score more points than some of the guys you're

957
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 4: taking flyers.

958
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: On, would you, because I know some way to get

959
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 2: around some of it is. I know there's some leagues

960
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: that give you individual scoring for defense and special teams. Right,

961
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: So if you have you know, like if you have

962
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: Cordero Patterson right and he runs a kickoff back, you

963
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: get those points as opposed to like, you know, having

964
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: the whole defense and special team. I mean, I feel

965
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: like there's also got to be a way to maybe

966
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: incorporate that, or maybe maybe that's all we do.

967
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe that's like Steelers are like one of the

968
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 4: top teams that I have, like in my rankings right now.

969
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: I'm still messing with it. But Cordero Patterson. So you

970
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 4: have the Steelers DST and you add return yards, and

971
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 4: then you have Cordero Patterson as a flex that week

972
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 4: because you know the new kickoff hybrid's coming up, you're

973
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 4: double dipping in points everywhere at that point where you're

974
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 4: getting DST six points for the touchdown and you're getting

975
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 4: return yards. Cardero Patterson as an individual you get the

976
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 4: six points and the turn yards. Oh my god, man,

977
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 4: this is gonna be great for teams that are like

978
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: Damian Pierce with the Houston Texans, I know, tear drops

979
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 4: down my eye. Well all these expectations, but I think

980
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 4: he has a role, you know, on kick return because

981
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 4: I feel as though the Texans were middle of a

982
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 4: pack team, but looking at their special teams that would

983
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: have pushed them up in the rankings with d ST.

984
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the idea. I know you didn't you

985
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: did a graphic for this, right I did?

986
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: I did? I sent it to Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we'll

987
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: have to. We'll have to.

988
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 4: I'm like, hang on, scroll, we're doing the t sheet

989
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 4: or something.

990
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: You know, we'll bring it up a sheet like I mean,

991
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: you got you gotta tweet this thing out though, so

992
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: we can, uh we can kind of look at it

993
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: and figure this out because maybe this is the thing

994
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: people start adopting, and maybe we'll send this to our

995
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: our product team and say that hey, maybe we can

996
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 2: uh you know, incorporate this some kind.

997
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 4: Of Please get DST back in leagues.

998
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: Let's try to make it, you know, let's try to

999
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: make it a thing everybody. I mean, like, you know,

1000
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 2: get maybe get roto Rota ware to start doing T

1001
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: shirts and say like save DST. I would love that

1002
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: hashtags save DST.

1003
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 3: Please make that thing. We will make it a thing

1004
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 3: for sure. Next do kickers. No, I'm kidding, I'm not

1005
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 3: saying what.

1006
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: There's the thing though, I'm a person who like, I

1007
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: don't mind having kickers in the game because I think

1008
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: I like the randomness of it.

1009
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: I think it.

1010
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: I think it sort of levels the playing field. I think,

1011
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: especially if you're playing in leagues with people who are

1012
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: of mixed skill level or whatever in fantasy, you know,

1013
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: I think I think having that randomness is sort of

1014
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 2: a good thing. I think I feel like the biggest

1015
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: argument for taking kickers out of the games he would

1016
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: be like, I can't predict them, and I'm like, all right, man,

1017
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: I can't predict earthquakes either. That I mean, yeah, so

1018
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like we should have kickers in

1019
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 2: the game.

1020
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 3: That's another conversation for a time. We'll deal with that.

1021
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 2: Then, speaking of the cheat sheet will be whack with

1022
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: you tomorrow. It'll just be uh lakwan and I talking

1023
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: some nonsense for about twenty five minutes or so. Hopefully,

1024
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: hopefully by then, Michael le Floria will have made it

1025
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: to his destination wherever he is and uh oh. A

1026
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: week from now, we are in tendatively scheduled to have

1027
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: Judy but on the cheat sheet. I'm excited for this,

1028
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: so that should be fun. We should have her on

1029
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: the on the cheat sheet. We'll have to ask her,

1030
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: you know, you have to reach out to her and

1031
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: ask her if she if she has seen Godzilla minus

1032
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: one because spoiler alert, we're gonna talk about Godzilla minus one.

1033
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: I have been hounding these guys to watch this movie

1034
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: for months. It is now finally available on the Netflix.

1035
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 2: Don't think I didn't stay up till midnight to watch

1036
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: it again drops totally Like I literally it was like

1037
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: twelve oh seven I think when I hit play on it, like,

1038
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: I think it would get my snacks and everything to

1039
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: be ready for Godzilla minus one.

1040
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: So finally we can see it.

1041
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about it on the cheat sheet

1042
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: as part of Florio's Film festival next week, so we

1043
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: have to ask Judy if she has seen it, so

1044
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 2: then she can contribute to the conversation as well.

1045
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: Anyway, that is it. We appreciate you hanging out with us.

1046
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: Thanks to Susie Binon for helping us put this thing

1047
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: together as always.

1048
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 3: Shout out to you, Florio.

1049
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: Hopefully your battle with the airlines has gone successfully and

1050
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: you have made it home to your homeland for a

1051
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: couple of days before you were turn into us back

1052
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. But that'll do it for this edition

1053
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. They happy, safe and healthy,

1054
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: do good and live well. Enjoy the weekend, everybody, and

1055
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: we'll talk to you again real soon.