Speaker 1: Rid the first pick in the twenty twenty four NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears select Haleb William quarterback Tayler Kilifornia Washington
Speaker 1: Commander select Jayden Daniels quarterback LSU. The New England Patriots
Speaker 1: select Drake May quarterback North Carolina. We'redney eighth pick in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four NFL Draft. The LANTFL Can select
Speaker 1: Michael Powell junior.
Speaker 2: Well, there it is.
Speaker 1: Who why The Minnesota Vikings select JJ McCarthy Michigan. The
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos select Boo Knicks.
Speaker 2: It is quarterback Oregon.
Speaker 3: Six for twelve, six quarterbacks in the first dozen picks.
Speaker 2: To quote Rambo, they're all gone, sir. Prior to tonight.
Speaker 3: Offensive players to start the draft before we saw our
Speaker 3: first defensive player taken. With the record and we have
Speaker 3: doubled it fourteen. That record may never be broken. And
Speaker 3: you'd have to say six quarterbacks in the first twelve
Speaker 3: picks is something that will never be broken as well.
Speaker 4: Woo from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's around the NFL.
Speaker 4: The twenty twenty four NFL Draft is underway and we
Speaker 4: are through one round and tonight we are here to
Speaker 4: recap all of the madness, and oh my goodness, was
Speaker 4: it mid Dan Hans is here, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 4: you heard it there the face Rich Eisen NFL network
Speaker 4: coverage of the big day from Detroit, where there were
Speaker 4: two hundred and seventy five thousand people there is that
Speaker 4: a real number.
Speaker 5: So crazy to believe that they had to stop letting
Speaker 5: people in an hour before the.
Speaker 4: Draft possible to seventy five anyway, that breaks the all
Speaker 4: time Day one draft record. That's at yep. Mark here.
Speaker 4: It was your era of pro wrestling, the old Pontiac Silverdome.
Speaker 4: They packed ninety three k in for WrestleMania three when
Speaker 4: Hogan body slammed Andre the Giant.
Speaker 2: I do recall that actual event.
Speaker 4: So Detroit goes big and they did it again, and yeah,
Speaker 4: six quarterbacks go in the first twelve picks and draft record.
Speaker 2: Seven wide receivers go in the first round.
Speaker 4: The offensive lineman also a heralded group, wiped out in
Speaker 4: the first round. So and Greg Rosenthal, as you heard
Speaker 4: fourteen offensive players go off the board before the first
Speaker 4: defensive players. So, I mean, we talked about these things,
Speaker 4: and these the way it seemed to be shaping up,
Speaker 4: but it never goes that extreme.
Speaker 2: So this has been the draft of extremes so far.
Speaker 5: I woke up this morning, I went and I was
Speaker 5: so excited for this draft in a way, and I thought, like,
Speaker 5: is this just because the Patriots at you know, have
Speaker 5: the number three overall pick or it really does seem
Speaker 5: like the most intriguing jets A lot of juice, like
Speaker 5: a lot of juice, and then for it to deliver
Speaker 5: like that yet another record twenty three offensive players in
Speaker 5: the first and at least speaking for myself, I'm basic
Speaker 5: when it comes to draft. I'm more interested in the
Speaker 5: skill position players. Of course, offensive players includes all those
Speaker 5: tackles coming off the board. But I kept getting flashback,
Speaker 5: especially when bow Knicks got picked back to twenty eleven,
Speaker 5: which to me was one of the most exciting drafts.
Speaker 5: Two thousand and four was another one, and in twenty
Speaker 5: eleven was the one where I believe five quarterbacks went
Speaker 5: in the first round. Maybe it was four, and then
Speaker 5: it was Kaepernick and Dalton and car early in the
Speaker 5: second two and it was just like six quarterbacks very early.
Speaker 5: This was like that except on mescalin or something. With
Speaker 5: bo Knicks going twelve and it going that fast.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean to have six go and the Raiders,
Speaker 6: for instance, not be a team that takes one of them.
Speaker 6: It speaks the fact that a lot of teams had
Speaker 6: deep quarterback needs and like, I like, it's there's risk
Speaker 6: there for sure, But I would look at this like this,
Speaker 6: the fourteen consecutive players that threw me like on offense
Speaker 6: because I thought at some point you're gonna get your
Speaker 6: Dallas Turner or Verse or someone in there.
Speaker 2: But nothing. I don't find the rest of it that surprising.
Speaker 6: For like a month plus two months, we've been talking
Speaker 6: about like huge amount of quarterbacks go, best wide receiver
Speaker 6: class we've seen in ages and a great tackle class,
Speaker 6: our offensive line class.
Speaker 5: It's where they go, and it's the after shocks. And
Speaker 5: in the place everyone thought defense was gonna go was Atlanta.
Speaker 2: I know we're going to get.
Speaker 5: To all the picks, but it is these little after
Speaker 5: shocks that needs the little reports afterwards, and you mentioned it.
Speaker 5: I think it was a perfect storm. All these teams
Speaker 5: and Danna Jeremiah pointed out needed offense and a lot
Speaker 5: of them needed quarterbacks. Our guy James Palmer reported after
Speaker 5: the DAFT that Seahawks, Saints, and Raiders were all trying
Speaker 5: to get up for Pennix. And that's one of the
Speaker 5: reasons why Atlanta didn't feel like they could move back
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 2: That we had mentioned, yeah.
Speaker 5: That many team teams we're in on quarterbacks weight And
Speaker 5: he didn't even get it.
Speaker 2: Mark, Mark just say I did.
Speaker 6: It's okay, well, because I'll say we because it's you know,
Speaker 6: it's just information that was out there.
Speaker 4: I didn't like talk directly. You said, you said it,
Speaker 4: and then actually he dismissed it. Yes, he dismissed. I
Speaker 4: don't say I said that, and Greg, you dismissed.
Speaker 2: That's how the show works.
Speaker 4: I said, second, d take your glory lap Mark, remember
Speaker 4: oh land Zierline, love the guy. He hung up the
Speaker 4: phone when you suggested Michael Pennox could go early in
Speaker 4: the first round. I think we should start there. And
Speaker 4: we're going to get to the top of the first
Speaker 4: round of the very tippy top which went chalky but
Speaker 4: still important for obvious reasons. But I think in all
Speaker 4: my years here with this company, and uh, and that's
Speaker 4: a while now, I've never been more confounded and stunned
Speaker 4: by a pick like the Atlanta Falcons, fresh off giving
Speaker 4: a massive contract to a thirty six year old Kirk Cousins, finally,
Speaker 4: once and for all addressing the quarterback position that has
Speaker 4: hexed them since Matt Ryan got old and then left
Speaker 4: and eventually retired last week. To take Michael Pennox junior
Speaker 4: eighth overall is an absolute stunner, and it's a stunner
Speaker 4: to obviously every everyone that yes, I agree Greg, everyone
Speaker 4: that has been following this process. Obviously the Falcons weren't
Speaker 4: going to take a quarterback. It makes no sense. I
Speaker 4: want somebody to make sense of it. To me, is
Speaker 4: there anyone in this room that could help me and
Speaker 4: other people? Like many Falcons fans, I presume absolutely Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 4: because we're already hearing reports that he was really stunned
Speaker 4: by the news and was made aware of their decision
Speaker 4: making minutes before it happened.
Speaker 5: Why I have my questions about Michael Pennix As a prospers,
Speaker 5: I have been trying to lead the take your quarterbacks
Speaker 5: as much as possible. You can't take quarterbacks too much,
Speaker 5: too high, too many resources, always defending the Patriots when
Speaker 5: they would take a second round pick on a backup
Speaker 5: defending the Packers when they took Jordan Love, which a
Speaker 5: pick that got made fun of for multiple years by
Speaker 5: the way after they did it. And this one stunned
Speaker 5: me because Penix didn't seem like that level of a prospect,
Speaker 5: but they obviously believe in him. And then you think
Speaker 5: about the Cousins contract, and here's how it makes sense, Dan,
Speaker 5: it's a two year contract.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: I think that's it. That it's a two year contract.
Speaker 5: Penix is being signed for a five year contract. And
Speaker 5: they said afterwards, they being Raheem Morris, we won't be
Speaker 5: picking this high with the guy that we have and
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins trying to pick up his guy. We don't
Speaker 5: want to be picking up here anymore. They plan to
Speaker 5: be a very good team starting right now, and they
Speaker 5: want to get their quarterback of the future in the
Speaker 5: building right now. And I don't think it's crazy. First
Speaker 5: of all, Kirk Cousins is coming off a torn Achilles.
Speaker 5: That's like a little under the radar.
Speaker 4: Right, four years, one hundred and eighty millions, A two years,
Speaker 4: one hundred guaranteed two year contract you had, it's all guaranteed,
Speaker 4: A hundred million dollar guarantee to that man to be
Speaker 4: your quarterback.
Speaker 5: So but those are it's all in the first two years.
Speaker 5: They have ten million dollars in the third year, and
Speaker 5: if he's great, then that's great. Then you have your
Speaker 5: quarterback solution and you have Kirk Cousins and you have
Speaker 5: someone by. I don't think it's that crazy, especially when
Speaker 5: half the picks bust in the top ten anyways, Like
Speaker 5: people act like it's so crazy to like invest in
Speaker 5: a pick you might not use when when a lot
Speaker 5: of the picks don't work.
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 6: I do understand, like if you're the nuts, sure, maybe,
Speaker 6: But and I get that there's a Falcons fan sitting
Speaker 6: out there thinking we could have taken Roma Dunze, we
Speaker 6: could have taken the best pass rusher. That's fine, and
Speaker 6: that's that's not incorrect thinking in terms of how the
Speaker 6: draft works and how people respond. But Pennix is the
Speaker 6: perfect guy to slow cook behind Kirk Cousins for a
Speaker 6: year plus. I don't hate the idea, And if he
Speaker 6: is what some people think it can be, I think
Speaker 6: this says a lot about Arthur Blank, who has been
Speaker 6: in a quarterback wilderness since they annoyed Matt Ryan by
Speaker 6: chasing after Deshaun Watson and lost Matt Ryan, and it's
Speaker 6: been an abyss since, and I think it's planning for
Speaker 6: the future.
Speaker 2: People.
Speaker 6: When you draft someone in the top ten, people want
Speaker 6: someone who will start and affect games right away, and
Speaker 6: I think that's where the disappointment could come from, especially
Speaker 6: when you're going to track and see how some of
Speaker 6: these other players perform. But we don't exactly know what
Speaker 6: Kirk Cousins is at this point, and it is really
Speaker 6: only a two year situation. And you can point to
Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes, you can point to Aaron Rodgers, you can
Speaker 6: point to Jordan Love as guys that you bring in
Speaker 6: that sit for a while and then they shine. And
Speaker 6: I think Pennix is a good candidate to benefit from that.
Speaker 4: Now let's point out those are good examples, but Patrick
Speaker 4: Mahomes is arguably the greatest quarterback ever. Jordan Love coming
Speaker 4: off obviously a big year, But in general, this is
Speaker 4: not something This is not really how the league operates anymore.
Speaker 4: When you take a quarterback, and especially if you take
Speaker 4: him this high, he's expected to play, and that doesn't
Speaker 4: mean he should, and that doesn't mean that's a bad pick.
Speaker 4: The reason my thinging is if you really love this guy,
Speaker 4: Michael Pennix, they do, you haveft them, but don't sign
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: Like or sign Kirk Cousins. It wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 6: I mean, but like, I think the thing is, the
Speaker 6: off season happens in waves and in chapters. And yes,
Speaker 6: you can say these two things shouldn't have happened to
Speaker 6: the same team in the same offseason. But a year
Speaker 6: from now, six months from now, if Kirk Cousins is injured,
Speaker 6: like this looks great, and.
Speaker 2: So you head your bets on Cousins, Well, but you didn't.
Speaker 6: Really the Cousins is a short term veteran solution at quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you that's also have a problem. It's
Speaker 4: turning twenty four in two weeks. I think that's a
Speaker 4: good point. So that is also so now like, unless
Speaker 4: Cousins is a disaster, an injury riddle disaster, which is possible,
Speaker 4: he's not even touching the field now as he's edging
Speaker 4: into his late twenties. I just I don't, I just don't.
Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense to me. And here's the thing.
Speaker 4: When you do invest we can talk about all this thing, like,
Speaker 4: it's not a long term signing, but it was a
Speaker 4: major signing for this organization.
Speaker 2: And when you invest that.
Speaker 4: Much in a player like Cousins, you're expecting him to
Speaker 4: be there two years at least, and then if he's
Speaker 4: playing at a high level, maybe beyond that. Okay, And
Speaker 4: then what you do, like my team the Jets, like
Speaker 4: you need to with his window that you just opened
Speaker 4: with Kirk Cousins, you got to build around him right now,
Speaker 4: and you have a chance to bring in the guy
Speaker 4: that goes off next off the board, Roma Duneesa, like
Speaker 4: that would have been a very logical move for them.
Speaker 2: Now does this now does Michael Penick Junior turn into
Speaker 2: a stud? Maybe? But here's the other thing.
Speaker 4: He is a very raw prospect and it's a total
Speaker 4: right and why at the very least, Greg my last
Speaker 4: point of this, then I'll shut up.
Speaker 5: No, I think this could move fascinated move back, Well,
Speaker 5: I don't think they could base boy he's not there.
Speaker 2: If he's not there, it's not like you're left hold
Speaker 2: in the bag.
Speaker 4: You still have Kirk Cousins in the building, and this
Speaker 4: you could take a gambit and say, maybe we can
Speaker 4: make it work. Out it was overly aggressive, and I
Speaker 4: think it speaks to a lot organizationally in the last
Speaker 4: few years.
Speaker 2: I don't think they know what they're doing Ultimately.
Speaker 5: Well, I disagree everyone's saying, oh, this is a ready
Speaker 5: made I don't think they're there yet. But you're saying
Speaker 5: you got to hit this window right now. It's like,
Speaker 5: I want to applaud teams that value the quarterback position correctly.
Speaker 5: The reason they're making all this money is because it's
Speaker 5: worth so much more than the rest. So I don't
Speaker 5: think you can invest too much in the position. And
Speaker 5: the idea that like, we want to set our franchise
Speaker 5: up for eight years, for ten years to be good
Speaker 5: at the moment that her cousins inevitably starts to decline.
Speaker 5: He's not going to be a great player at thirty eight.
Speaker 5: He might not be a great player this year at
Speaker 5: thirty six. That's another conversation. And so you try to
Speaker 5: set up a situation. And Rahiem Morris said it. He said,
Speaker 5: we took note of the Green Bay model. So they
Speaker 5: they were looking at that. It does make you wonder
Speaker 5: and you were talking about I did.
Speaker 2: It's a different situation.
Speaker 4: Greg Aaron Rodgers is a franchise legend that was there
Speaker 4: forever sure, whereas.
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins, so they sought out two months.
Speaker 5: The point is, though I don't think it's crazy, and
Speaker 5: I know the Patriots didn't use a first round pick,
Speaker 5: but he was multiple seconds to back up Brady, Like
Speaker 5: the position is just so valuable that you almost can't
Speaker 5: spend too many resources on it. I have some issues
Speaker 5: just with Penix as a prospect. Seems very divisive, not
Speaker 5: incredibly accurate, like a great arm and old school quarterback,
Speaker 5: kind of like Kirk Cousins is in a way, but
Speaker 5: more like a Joe Flacco type of.
Speaker 2: Model that was Daniel Jeremiah's comfort.
Speaker 5: And I totally see that when you watch him, like
Speaker 5: he gets super hot, he's a big time arm he's
Speaker 5: a pocket passer. Is he is he gonna be the player?
Speaker 5: I don't know, but the process I kind of like it.
Speaker 5: And you mentioned the age. A couple of people hit
Speaker 5: me up on Twitter with that too. It's like, well,
Speaker 5: but you're thinking about the next seven years. What's wrong
Speaker 5: with a quarterback coming in when he's twenty six years old,
Speaker 5: Like you're thinking about a guy that's gonna try to
Speaker 5: last for a while. And I actually like the Atlanta
Speaker 5: Falcons thinking long term, thinking a little differently process wise.
Speaker 5: I just hope Pennix is a good enough player to
Speaker 5: make them look right.
Speaker 4: You also need him to hit the ground running like
Speaker 4: Jordan Love so like wait, but.
Speaker 2: That has to be a polished player when he gets
Speaker 2: there or wait.
Speaker 5: Love was as raw as it gets and he looked
Speaker 5: right totally.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, ready for multiple you need him.
Speaker 4: That's hard to do what the Packers have done, and
Speaker 4: they've proven it now over twenty five years. They know
Speaker 4: how to do this. The Falcons saying we want to
Speaker 4: be like the Packers of this. You need Penix not
Speaker 4: only now to likely sit for two years. When he
Speaker 4: enters the friend he needs immediately be a difference maker.
Speaker 4: And if he's not, if it takes him a couple
Speaker 4: of years, guess what, his rookie deal's almost over. Well.
Speaker 6: And it's also like you know, sixty five percent of
Speaker 6: other draft picks in the first round that don't work.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's like, I don't have a problem with this,
Speaker 6: and this is another outlier scenario, but it reminds me
Speaker 6: a little bit of when the Cowboys under Jimmy Johnson
Speaker 6: drafted Troy Aikman, and you know, terrible first season team
Speaker 6: was terrible. The next year they go out, Jimmy Johnson
Speaker 6: turns around and drafts Steve Walsh, his former college quarterback.
Speaker 6: Totally agitated Troy Aikman, who is his guy, Roddy Johnson's guy.
Speaker 6: He wanted was to win that game, right. But then
Speaker 6: they turn around and they had two quarterbacks. Troy Aikman's developing,
Speaker 6: the team's getting better. They turn around and traded Steve Walsh,
Speaker 6: who really never did anything as a pro for a lot.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, that's another thing you could do at
Speaker 6: some point. His move Michael Pennix. It's just a possibility.
Speaker 6: Move Kirk Cousins or move Kirk Cousins. But there's one
Speaker 6: other thing about this version of the Falcons that I
Speaker 6: like is that no one knew this was coming.
Speaker 2: There's no leaks inside building. I mean, we knew there
Speaker 2: was reporting.
Speaker 6: They liked Penix a lot, we've known that, but no
Speaker 6: one saw this coming number one.
Speaker 2: Not a single Soul rap sheet had it in the
Speaker 2: hour before the draft.
Speaker 5: Give credit to him, he didn't say it was definitely happening,
Speaker 5: but he pretty much threw it out there, like, don't
Speaker 5: be surprised if Penix goes to the Falcons, so right
Speaker 5: before the draft, and that was the first I had
Speaker 5: heard even one person mentioned the stunning. The problem is though,
Speaker 5: though they are human beings here, and you mentioned the
Speaker 5: Cousins part of it. So our guy rap sheet reported,
Speaker 5: you know, he got a call like while the Falcons
Speaker 5: were on the clock to let him know. But you know,
Speaker 5: DJ and then also the athletics that I never seen it,
Speaker 5: you know, kind of mentioned like the agent. Yeah, it
Speaker 5: was a surprise coming into tonight. Cousins had no idea.
Speaker 5: I think they used the word stunned. And these are
Speaker 5: two people, and Cousins especially that are going to have
Speaker 5: to go and work together. Cousins is coming off an injury,
Speaker 5: so I don't know if he's gonna be He's not
Speaker 5: gonna be ready to be on the field right now,
Speaker 5: like when they go to OTA is in a couple weeks,
Speaker 5: it's going to be Pedix with the starting now will.
Speaker 4: Be his moment for the you know, the next couple
Speaker 4: of years. He'll have that OTA in the spring of Dude.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a little awkward because you you did mention
Speaker 5: like if he got to be ready. The funny thing
Speaker 5: about Penix is he should be about as ready as
Speaker 5: anyone he's played. He started forty eight games over five seasons.
Speaker 2: But he's not ready for him. But what I'm saying
Speaker 2: is you've got a guy that's playing, ready to play,
Speaker 2: that's not going to play. I'm saying he might. I
Speaker 2: think it's been a little.
Speaker 6: Who's crying for Taylor Heinecke Greg Taylor Heineke like who
Speaker 6: took a hometown discount to stay with the Falcons? Is
Speaker 6: you know, take the next bus next, gray hump, bustle.
Speaker 2: We got to move on.
Speaker 6: But you two are not going to You're never going
Speaker 6: to agree Dan, You're not going to agree with Greg,
Speaker 6: And it's not so I don't.
Speaker 5: But I just want to point out that no one's
Speaker 5: kind of brought up the fact that why are we
Speaker 5: assuming Kirk Cousins is ready for Week one at thirty
Speaker 5: six years old coming out of torn achilles.
Speaker 2: It's like the human body, And.
Speaker 4: I would say the in recent years players that have
Speaker 4: that injury are ready.
Speaker 2: Now he could have a setback or whatever.
Speaker 6: And well they didn't get that money thinking he's not
Speaker 6: going to be many too.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying maybe.
Speaker 4: There's something we don't know about Cousins, and maybe he
Speaker 4: had a setback. Maybe there's something more to the story.
Speaker 4: But my last point is I don't think Cousins obviously
Speaker 4: isn't happy. I don't think Michael Penox is happy either.
Speaker 4: He's happy he's a first round pick, but he went
Speaker 4: somewhere he's not gonna play.
Speaker 2: That's not great either.
Speaker 4: And if you'd see him when he picks up the phone,
Speaker 4: you could see in his mind he's like, wait, what's
Speaker 4: going on. His agent probably was like, all right, you're
Speaker 4: going to the team that just signed a guy for
Speaker 4: one hundred million guaranteed over the next two years. But
Speaker 4: it's cool, you're a top ten pick. Like it's a
Speaker 4: bittersweet moment I would imagine for Michael Penis Junior.
Speaker 6: Sure from one other angle though, from like a more
Speaker 6: cutthroat angle, like there are people that were mocking him
Speaker 6: to the second round.
Speaker 2: He's getting top eight. No, that's great, So that's great.
Speaker 6: And honestly, like if he does a Jordan love thing
Speaker 6: where you know, a couple of seasons from now, he
Speaker 6: comes in and shines like he gets his fifth year
Speaker 6: option picked up too, there's less bad tape or raw
Speaker 6: tape potentially to learn behind cousins.
Speaker 5: Right, I am a little worried about him, although Jordan
Speaker 5: Love was a tricky prospect a surprising pick too, and
Speaker 5: that worked out when last my last thing is just
Speaker 5: the video of Terry Fontana talking to Arthur Blank in
Speaker 5: their war room was a fascinating video. I really want
Speaker 5: to know. It really sounded like he was trying to
Speaker 5: like explain the pick. Because when this pick happened, I
Speaker 5: was like, is this ownership because we've heard how Blank
Speaker 5: wants his guy his quarterback, and I was like, is
Speaker 5: ownership kind of making them take a quarterback of the future,
Speaker 5: like based on what we've heard over over the last
Speaker 5: few years, like you know Arthur Blank could be involved.
Speaker 5: But then this image of Fontan though almost like going
Speaker 5: through and explaining and then he was like moving it down.
Speaker 5: It was almost like he was to me, if I
Speaker 5: had to guess, was explaining, like why we couldn't trade
Speaker 5: back to maybe take panics Arthur Blank.
Speaker 4: In nineteen forty two. I would imagine he, you know,
Speaker 4: he's a guy that's looking for some results this year,
Speaker 4: and yes, the player that they added this year, probably
Speaker 4: can't help them this year.
Speaker 2: So wild all right. So that's like the big crazy
Speaker 2: story that came out of the day.
Speaker 4: But and we told you about the overall numbers and
Speaker 4: the bulk of certain positions. Let's start at the top
Speaker 4: of the draft, and so it's Caleb Williams as expected
Speaker 4: to the Bears, Jaden Daniels as expected to the Commanders,
Speaker 4: Drake may as expected to the Patriots. A takeaway, let's
Speaker 4: check out, by the way, Caleb Williams. And good job
Speaker 4: by our company, which has blown this draft thing up
Speaker 4: into things that I can't even wrap my head around
Speaker 4: as someone that used to go to Radio City Music
Speaker 4: Hall sure years ago. What it is now compared to
Speaker 4: what it was then, it's absurd. So now all the
Speaker 4: guys run down there.
Speaker 2: I don't think they want you to use the word absurd,
Speaker 2: but you can in a positive that's a positive absurd.
Speaker 4: There's a twenty five yard runway with a matching color
Speaker 4: scheme for the player, and then they get their hat
Speaker 4: and their jersey.
Speaker 2: It's the whole thing.
Speaker 4: It's it's made for television, like the halftime show for
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. Here's Caleb Williams and check this out
Speaker 4: on YouTube if you haven't seen it. Speed walking down
Speaker 4: and then letting out a big old Rick flair.
Speaker 3: He's about to put a Bear's hat on and introduce
Speaker 3: himself to the world and head to Michigan Avenue.
Speaker 2: He might not have ran aup Fort in Indy, but
Speaker 2: he's running one here. I mean, he is flying up there.
Speaker 2: He's excited to get this journey started.
Speaker 4: He really sold me both the way he came out there,
Speaker 4: the way he spoke in his interviews.
Speaker 2: Just seems like a dude. Yeah.
Speaker 5: He also had that how he finished his interview with
Speaker 5: Kaylee Hartong making her NFL Network debut the Bears.
Speaker 2: That was how he finished that. Yeah. I loved that.
Speaker 5: And we don't have to spend a ton of time,
Speaker 5: I know, but I man, we just haven't talked that
Speaker 5: much about Caleb Williams and when we say like he
Speaker 5: can make every throw, like I mean like every throw.
Speaker 5: And I heard Ollie Connelly talk about it on his
Speaker 5: podcast and I thought it was really smart the way
Speaker 5: he put it that, like one drive he can kind
Speaker 5: of look like Mahomes and then the next drive he
Speaker 5: can kind of look like Manning. And then you watch
Speaker 5: how he navigates in the pocket and that reminds you
Speaker 5: of the very best people in terms of inside the pocket.
Speaker 5: And he has the experience with the RPO and he
Speaker 5: has the quick release. He just feels like he has
Speaker 5: every single club in the bag and he kind of
Speaker 5: brings out different things based on what he needs. And
Speaker 5: it's just I'm I am very excited to watch me
Speaker 5: some caleable and he's just so accurate. He's the most
Speaker 5: accurate guy in the last year. So it's like no
Speaker 5: prospect is perfect or whatever, but I am so excited
Speaker 5: to watch this dude. It's gonna be a value add
Speaker 5: for the league. I think we saw that with his personality,
Speaker 5: and I'm excited that I get to watch him with
Speaker 5: Roma Doonzay.
Speaker 6: Well and he's you know, it's what an incredible introduction
Speaker 6: from an NFC North standpoint. He's coming out there and
Speaker 6: he's booed lustily by Lions fans who have packed the place.
Speaker 6: He doesn't seem to care at all, and it's like
Speaker 6: you have to go back to nineteen forty seven and
Speaker 6: Bob Fenimore, the Blonde Bomber, the last time that the
Speaker 6: Bears picked a quarterback first.
Speaker 2: Overall that's crazy.
Speaker 6: That's there's no team coming close to that stuff, I
Speaker 6: would imagine, and I do think it matters that on
Speaker 6: USC there's a lot of like ballyhooed USC stuff. When
Speaker 6: they brought in the new coach, it's like they were
Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty third in scoring defense. So he
Speaker 6: was under the gun to fire the ball down field
Speaker 6: over and over. I think as a deep passer, he's
Speaker 6: incredible that Bears haven't had someone like this in eons.
Speaker 6: It's like they feel like outside Fields had that one
Speaker 6: nice season, but it's like this is a team that
Speaker 6: kind of even when they went to the Super Bowl
Speaker 6: against the Colts, it's like always minus the star quarterback.
Speaker 4: And I think it's a completely new organization at this
Speaker 4: point because and I think, you know, I was at
Speaker 4: the end of last season. I still think Justin Fields
Speaker 4: has a chance to have a really good career, and
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens in Pittsburgh or wherever he ends
Speaker 4: up being potentially as a long term solution for somebody.
Speaker 4: But when you see a player like this and you
Speaker 4: start to really dig in on his background and you
Speaker 4: see the way he came out there, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: this guy is someone that you're you hit the reset
Speaker 4: with him, and then you pair him, like we said,
Speaker 4: with the number nine pick after the Falcons stun the
Speaker 4: world and take a quarterback. That leaves this great prospect
Speaker 4: Roma Dunza, who some people say, you know, Marvin Harrison
Speaker 4: who goes forth to the Cardinals. We'll get you in
Speaker 4: a second. He was the kind of clear cut number
Speaker 4: one guy. But people think that a Dunsee could be
Speaker 4: an absolute superstar. And now you got DJ Moore across
Speaker 4: from him, and you have what Bryce Young for example,
Speaker 4: did not have last year, which is a real supporting
Speaker 4: cast around him. So the Bears suddenly go from one
Speaker 4: of the most boring teams to watch over the last
Speaker 4: ten years or so, they are going to be kind
Speaker 4: of musty TV, at least in the beginning of the season.
Speaker 6: It happened quickly, and it's like the only thing I
Speaker 6: think they've got to focus on more offensive line help.
Speaker 6: They had the highest pressure rate in the league last year,
Speaker 6: so it's like that's one We saw fields getting destroyed
Speaker 6: by that over and over and it's like, that's not
Speaker 6: a wonderful thing for Caleb Williams. But they have done
Speaker 6: a lot in two off seasons, and that trade last
Speaker 6: offseason with the Panthers looks better and better and better
Speaker 6: by the minute.
Speaker 5: Right, they got very fortunate that the Panthers ended up
Speaker 5: being the worst team in the league like that. That
Speaker 5: They probably didn't think the Panthers were going to be good.
Speaker 5: So they were taking a shot and you're rolling.
Speaker 2: They nailed it. They're holding everything about it. You're hoping
Speaker 2: for the best.
Speaker 5: But they got, like, you know, one of the best
Speaker 5: quarterback prospects we've seen in a long time. And now
Speaker 5: Keenan Allen can play inside, by the way too, It's like,
Speaker 5: of course the Dunes then can move inside some pool
Speaker 5: and keen Allen can play outside the sid of course
Speaker 5: they're going to be flexible, but Alan is now at
Speaker 5: his best inside.
Speaker 2: You have come met there. DeAndre Swift was a nice
Speaker 2: pick up.
Speaker 5: They absolutely are going to see that over under, which
Speaker 5: was an eight and a half. I believe, like, I mean,
Speaker 5: that's just gonna with the Dunes. I just feel like
Speaker 5: that's going to keep.
Speaker 2: That division is has turned semi psychotic, all right. The Commanders,
Speaker 2: they do indeed take Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 4: Don't believe anything about them moving out of that pick,
Speaker 4: they take Daniels, so he is the future for Washington
Speaker 4: and then Greg.
Speaker 2: We could talk about both these players.
Speaker 4: But Drake May then goes to the Patriots, who apparently
Speaker 4: there was a report out there.
Speaker 2: It is an interesting report. Do you see this report?
Speaker 4: It was the Patriots and Vikings reached out to the
Speaker 4: Chargers about Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2: It cannot I loved, I loved. Yeah, it cannot hurt.
Speaker 4: This is from Adam Schefter, by the way, to kick
Speaker 4: the tires on that one. And just because Jim Harbaugh nuts,
Speaker 4: so you just like kick the tires, call the crazy
Speaker 4: guy and.
Speaker 2: Just see what he's what's going on with him?
Speaker 4: And and they were rebuffed obviously, and then they go
Speaker 4: back and they say, Okay, we're cool with this, dude.
Speaker 2: What do you think about this? Dude? You how excited
Speaker 2: are you? I am? Greg?
Speaker 5: I am ay ten. This is what I was hoping for.
Speaker 5: I love this Patriots, that Drake maywould fall to them.
Speaker 5: I didn't think it was gonna happen on Christmas Eve
Speaker 5: when they beat the Broncos in that weird game, and
Speaker 5: I was enjoying the game. You know, it's a lonely
Speaker 5: Christmas for me, and it's like the Patriots brought a
Speaker 5: little joy. I was like, it's worth it, but they're
Speaker 5: not gonna get Drake me now. And for Jade Daniels
Speaker 5: to become this consensus number two pick, and going into today,
Speaker 5: I was just worried they were gonna get too cute
Speaker 5: and trade down. It's like, when are you gonna have
Speaker 5: a legit, superstar potential quarterback sitting there?
Speaker 2: Hopefully you're not drafting that high.
Speaker 5: And when I watch him, he is just box office
Speaker 5: and he is an incredible runner. It wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 5: of all these guys who can all run well, if
Speaker 5: he has the most rushing value, if he's kind of
Speaker 5: a Jalen Hurts type of player early in his career,
Speaker 5: you can build a decent amount of the offense about
Speaker 5: his running and his deep passing, and that, to me
Speaker 5: is just an exciting offense. I'm glad it sounded like
Speaker 5: they never even considered it. You could tell Gared Mayo
Speaker 5: is totally different because he basically told the Patriots draft
Speaker 5: party an hour and a half before the draft, we're
Speaker 5: not trading the pick. We're just gonna you know, don't
Speaker 5: don't worry we're gonna make our pick early and.
Speaker 2: You're gonna like it. He's a great player.
Speaker 5: And it's like, Okay, I guess they're taking Drake May.
Speaker 5: They already were saying like that, they forget about the trade.
Speaker 5: We're not thinking about it.
Speaker 2: He's fascinating.
Speaker 6: He is someone that I think is going to be
Speaker 6: an immediate like fan favorite for his physical nature, play,
Speaker 6: what he can do on the ground. I mean, there
Speaker 6: is some there has been concern about like the little
Speaker 6: things that he's got to grow at and some of
Speaker 6: his like accuracy on passes that like he does these
Speaker 6: incredible things, but then he's like, wait a minute, what
Speaker 6: happened right there. It's almost like there is an aversion
Speaker 6: of like you want to see the way that Josh
Speaker 6: Allen grew in certain little ways when people would, you know,
Speaker 6: kind of were ready to throw Josh Allen out the window,
Speaker 6: like he improved, but he improved as a pro and
Speaker 6: that's but that's unusual, that's atypical, and so Drake May
Speaker 6: needs to do this have a similar growth pattern for
Speaker 6: certain elements of his game.
Speaker 2: But it's like this is like a whole new day
Speaker 2: for the PAVI.
Speaker 5: I don't see him as raw though as out like.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's as raw as everyone said. I
Speaker 5: think he did a lot of next level stuff. He
Speaker 5: was just in a brutal situation. He's about to be again.
Speaker 5: They they kind of have talked about already that that
Speaker 5: Jacoby Brissett, I have a feeling will be the weak
Speaker 5: one starter. We'll see it probably won't last that long.
Speaker 5: And it was funny you mentioned Josh Allen. I know
Speaker 5: you want to go Dan, but Bill Belichick was on
Speaker 5: McAfee and uh, he was quoted saying Drake compares himself
Speaker 5: a lot to Josh Allen. He's been doing that for
Speaker 5: quite a while. I haven't seen that a lot of
Speaker 5: people compare them. Did he Uh, we'll see about that.
Speaker 5: And then he kind of negged He kind of negged
Speaker 5: Drake may a little bit, but to be fair, he
Speaker 5: kind of neagged all the top five picks. That's when
Speaker 5: I watched the Belichick portion of the McAfee. He it
Speaker 5: was very different than the portion of the telecast where
Speaker 5: the audio was working for that the pre gate the
Speaker 5: pre you know, they had some snaffoos on YouTube and whatnot.
Speaker 2: But uh so I've heard he he.
Speaker 5: Was trying to really calm everyone down really about all
Speaker 5: the picks and pointing out the negatives, but especially May.
Speaker 4: He seemed to that's a fresh raw. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 4: the uh what did it?
Speaker 2: Was he freaking out about Panix? Like ever notes?
Speaker 5: I left. I left the that telecast around pick five.
Speaker 5: Much for me, I was the company man. I was
Speaker 5: trying to watch both this is too hard, Okay.
Speaker 4: I was just curious if anyone else picked up on
Speaker 4: the NFL network. Uh, the way they were talking about
Speaker 4: Drake May is if it was almost a foregone conclusion
Speaker 4: that he wouldn't start, and that that they were going
Speaker 4: to bring him along slowly. And that's to what you're
Speaker 4: saying that I guess he needs polished in the eyes
Speaker 4: of some But.
Speaker 6: I just that doesn't really happen, like, well, that's like
Speaker 6: that means week three or week four.
Speaker 4: But Jacoby said, but that's not the way it was
Speaker 4: being discussed. It wasn't like he's going to start by
Speaker 4: October first. It kind of was being talked about like
Speaker 4: this going to bed.
Speaker 6: Saying though, like that's this this that's cool, until like
Speaker 6: they're zer and two right, I.
Speaker 4: Mean mac, No, but wait a second, we're not going
Speaker 4: back down the store. Michael Pennox isn't going in the
Speaker 4: lineup if Kark cousins.
Speaker 6: I know, but I'm saying to your point that Penix
Speaker 6: is away, to your argument that it's you're not getting
Speaker 6: someone who's going to help you right away like Drake May,
Speaker 6: is completely different if they're in. If they're right there water,
Speaker 6: Drake May is going to be in the lineup by
Speaker 6: halftime a week one, potentially. I don't want to hear
Speaker 6: this sitting for a year as a starter behind Jacobys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I don't what I mean think Mac Jones
Speaker 5: played a lot as a rookie, play played pretty well,
Speaker 5: Like I don't.
Speaker 2: It is rookie.
Speaker 5: If they're if they're good enough coaching staff like he
Speaker 5: will be playing. There's there's no reason to be.
Speaker 4: That that pay it no mind what people say about
Speaker 4: rookies waiting on the bench, and almost all cases they
Speaker 4: end up playing very quickly. Now Marvin Harrison Junior yes
Speaker 4: goes to the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: For overall, a lot of discussion about them moving back
Speaker 4: and letting a QB needy team trade up. They obviously
Speaker 4: did not have either the interest to make that move
Speaker 4: or they didn't get an offer that they liked, so
Speaker 4: they sit home, and this is something I thought they
Speaker 4: should have done all along.
Speaker 2: I thought I thought it was the right move.
Speaker 4: You get yourself a potential superstar wide receiver pairing with
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray, who, despite being under contract for big money,
Speaker 4: is coming back for his first full season after ACL
Speaker 4: and you just got to like find out if this
Speaker 4: is truly gonna work. Now you give him an absolute
Speaker 4: stud to play with.
Speaker 6: There is value if they were if they were you know,
Speaker 6: you know, treated to a monster deal by the Vikings
Speaker 6: to do what they talked about being very open to doing.
Speaker 6: But I think if you're a Cardinals fan who's suffered
Speaker 6: through many rough seasons, this is basically saying we've gotten
Speaker 6: our next version of Larry Fitzgerald. And he's not exactly
Speaker 6: explosive as like a Molik Neighbors. He's different, but he
Speaker 6: does like everything so well that it's a rare player,
Speaker 6: where like I think it's a little unfair to him,
Speaker 6: but it's like, oh, it's a disappointment if he isn't
Speaker 6: a Hall of Fame wide receiver, like if he'd made
Speaker 6: two Pro Bowls and was a top ten guy. It's
Speaker 6: like that's a disappointment, Like the expectations are through the roof,
Speaker 6: and I think, for once, if you're the Cardinals, this
Speaker 6: was a need that matches up with arguably the best
Speaker 6: player in the draft.
Speaker 2: I have no problem with this. I love it.
Speaker 5: I love not getting cute. I don't think they had
Speaker 5: the option. I don't think they were offered. I mean
Speaker 5: the McCarthy was never in the class with May and Daniels.
Speaker 5: I think teams were just seeing which quarterback for sure
Speaker 5: was going to shake out to three. Reporting on NFL
Speaker 5: Network was that the Giants and the Vikings both tried
Speaker 5: to trade up with the Patriots, and they even made
Speaker 5: a last ditch effort of like raising their offer to
Speaker 5: trade up with the Patriots, and it's it's safe to
Speaker 5: assume that's for Drake May. Patriots didn't want to do it.
Speaker 5: They stayed and picked and once he wasn't available, the
Speaker 5: Vikings were fine just letting McCarthy fall down the board.
Speaker 5: Obviously they end up getting him, and the Giants were
Speaker 5: never going to take him in the first place.
Speaker 4: Apparently right, It tells you how much the Patriots think
Speaker 4: of Drake May's potential here that they would that could
Speaker 4: have been a real boon for them to get additional
Speaker 4: picks at a time where they really need to stock
Speaker 4: that roster.
Speaker 2: But they love the QB. You take the QB. This
Speaker 2: is also where my mock draft went into a fiery
Speaker 2: dumpster or began to.
Speaker 4: And what we're gonna hit that at the end of
Speaker 4: the show. But yeah, it's a tough thing to do.
Speaker 4: It's not easy business. Mark you know that. Don't beat
Speaker 4: yourself up. Joe Alt goes number five to the Chargers,
Speaker 4: so a little bit, I would say it was a surprise.
Speaker 4: A lot of people haven't pegged for seven to the Titans.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: The Titans were not happy with this because well we
Speaker 4: don't know it, but they take J. C. Latham from Alabama,
Speaker 4: also a tackle, but you would think they wanted to
Speaker 4: have the choice of the two or Alt outright, So
Speaker 4: you have those two linemen go sandwiched around. Yes, the
Speaker 4: New York Giants. So the Giants. If Drake may or
Speaker 4: Jaden Daniels were on the board, that's probably the new
Speaker 4: quarterback of the New York Giants. But once those three
Speaker 4: players went off, they stayed home and they took Malik Neighbors. Obviously,
Speaker 4: Giants fans friends back East that some of them were like,
Speaker 4: I wish they took roma Dunza. He's a guy that's
Speaker 4: gotten a little bit more buzz leading up.
Speaker 2: To the draft.
Speaker 4: However, you talk to people, this guy has every opportunity
Speaker 4: here to become a superstar as well, if put in
Speaker 4: the right situation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the Giants aren't the right situation, not now,
Speaker 5: I mean they haven't been.
Speaker 2: Maybe they can become that.
Speaker 5: He's another receiver who probably works his best over the
Speaker 5: middle of the field, which they It feels like that's
Speaker 5: all they've got is all these different guys, and yet
Speaker 5: he's like three tiers above.
Speaker 2: He's so explosive.
Speaker 5: I think there were probably more teams that had him
Speaker 5: over Harrison than even maybe there were teams that had
Speaker 5: a Dunze over over Neighbors. I think people just fell
Speaker 5: in love with his explosiveness. And I did like what
Speaker 5: Harbaugh said about all He's like, people are going to say, like,
Speaker 5: what what about your weapons?
Speaker 2: Where are your weapons?
Speaker 5: And he said, uh, with the Chargers, like we're gonna
Speaker 5: look at the offensive line as weapons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have football remembers.
Speaker 4: Thinking about the five fingers, make a fist with the
Speaker 4: offensive line. I mean he kind of let it be
Speaker 4: known from the very start. I love to pick for them.
Speaker 6: They have a Sean Slater too, but they you know,
Speaker 6: Trey Pipkins is not going to be starting at that
Speaker 6: point at that position. Joe Alt like the one thing's like,
Speaker 6: you know a lot of these guys weren't at the draft,
Speaker 6: but they cut to his house.
Speaker 2: You know, he's almost like like six or eight. He
Speaker 2: stood up and was like two feet taller than anyone
Speaker 2: else in the household. Like there was like the thirty
Speaker 2: people around him. You love it. You love big humans.
Speaker 6: Well, I think actually, like to me, it is it
Speaker 6: was like some of these teams did not do what
Speaker 6: we expected, but for the Chargers, who I thought were
Speaker 6: a trade down to go get Joe allt just like
Speaker 6: that's a hardball player, that's a Greg Roman type player,
Speaker 6: and he dominates in the run game.
Speaker 2: He's massive, and it's exactly the set up twenty six.
Speaker 2: They wont like seven seven.
Speaker 5: So there are almost no comps like to his height
Speaker 5: and size. Jonathan Ogden is one of them and was
Speaker 5: one of the greatest players of all time at his position.
Speaker 5: That there's a there's a few other here and there,
Speaker 5: but to be that athletic at at six ' nine.
Speaker 5: It's just like we're seeing this across all sports, like
Speaker 5: humans are testing the bounds of like what tall, how
Speaker 5: athletic tall people essentially can be. You see in tennis,
Speaker 5: you see in basketball. It's just like preposterous, how athletic now,
Speaker 5: like a six to nine tackle could be.
Speaker 2: Not horse racing, don't see not in horse race.
Speaker 4: No, In fact, you see a lot of bad things
Speaker 4: happening in horse racing when you push the the animal
Speaker 4: too far. And in baseball, the game for pictures right now,
Speaker 4: there's like an epidemic right now with pictures suffering arm
Speaker 4: injuries because things like spin rate and velocity keeps going
Speaker 4: up up up, and they're dealing now the sport with
Speaker 4: like how do we rein this in because the human
Speaker 4: body can't take it? You know, be careful with these
Speaker 4: big men, tell let them get too big. We're mere humans,
Speaker 4: that's all.
Speaker 2: We're mortal. Tell it to Randy Johnson, like tell it
Speaker 2: to the bird that he hit.
Speaker 5: Tell it to the we can tell it to the
Speaker 5: like the thirty pound linebacker that's trying to get around
Speaker 5: this now, And.
Speaker 6: That sounds like the end of baseball. By the way,
Speaker 6: we're creeping towards the end of the sport.
Speaker 2: It does. I mean, there are people like you who
Speaker 2: want baseball to die. That's not true. It never will.
Speaker 6: There's nothing nicer to do than go to a baseball
Speaker 6: game out in the in this on a summer day.
Speaker 6: But you're saying that literally the most important position is losing.
Speaker 6: The human body can't keep up with the sport. That's finally.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 4: Well, but I'm I'm educating you on on there.
Speaker 2: It's a completely different sport.
Speaker 6: I know that football it is kind of a football
Speaker 6: was completely different than basketball.
Speaker 5: Of a Titans draft, it's just like you've mentioned, it's
Speaker 5: not as exciting. I know, we'll get to the Jets,
Speaker 5: like when you take the tack, but at LISTA was like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is we got the guy. This is a tackle
Speaker 5: that would have gone maybe top three some years, like,
Speaker 5: it's certainly a better prospect. I will say that Local
Speaker 5: or Eric Fisher were like when they were coming out.
Speaker 2: I think Joe al was like an outlier.
Speaker 4: He's the one offensive lineman where you would come out
Speaker 4: of the draft like, yeah, we got the six nine beasts, right,
Speaker 4: But instead. Jac Lathan, by the way, could end up
Speaker 4: being way better than Joel, but it doesn't in right
Speaker 4: now where we stand, it doesn't seem as fun or exciting.
Speaker 4: All right, let's finish off the top ten and then
Speaker 4: we're going to take a break. So we mentioned JJ
Speaker 4: McCarthy the last quarterback standing, and there are the Vikings
Speaker 4: and the Cardinals were hoping that maybe the Vikings would
Speaker 4: pick up in a panic and try to do it
Speaker 4: trade there perhaps, but they don't. The Vikings hang back,
Speaker 4: the hang back and McCarthy stays on the board. Even
Speaker 4: when the number the team at number eight stuns the
Speaker 4: world with a quarterback pick, it's not JJ McCarthy. So
Speaker 4: what do the Vikings do? They pick up the phone
Speaker 4: at eleven, they call up the Jets, or the Jets
Speaker 4: call the Vikings.
Speaker 2: I thought, Daniel Jeremiah have to give him a little pop.
Speaker 4: The expert expertly foreshadowed this like minutes ahead of time
Speaker 4: that the Jets. He's been in a situation where you
Speaker 4: just you just pick up the phone if you're the Jets,
Speaker 4: perhaps and say, hey, you want to move up one
Speaker 4: ahead of us before somebody else jumps ahead of you.
Speaker 4: And they ended up the Jets trade out of the pick,
Speaker 4: they gain a little bit of draft capital, move back
Speaker 4: one spot, and yes, JJ McCarthy goes to the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2: There is their quarterback of the future.
Speaker 6: I will say I thought that, like QUESI the GM
Speaker 6: for the Vikings, like you've got to kind of if
Speaker 6: you're a Vikings fan, this was like a nice hand
Speaker 6: of cards, like you did a nice job here, because
Speaker 6: they could have they were the candidate to ship both
Speaker 6: their first round picks to get JJ. It wasn't to
Speaker 6: get someone else. It was in theory like all to
Speaker 6: get JJ McCarthy as the fourth quarterback.
Speaker 5: They tried to, but it was for Drake May but
Speaker 5: for sure, but I'm saying value McCarthy like that.
Speaker 6: But even in the days leading up, it was like
Speaker 6: the thought was they would have been okay with McCarthy
Speaker 6: and they would have moved and it would have taken
Speaker 6: a lot. You gave up a little bit, but you
Speaker 6: kind of got your guy or the guy that was
Speaker 6: most likely to fall to you. Where if you moved
Speaker 6: up to number four here, and it's like it's good
Speaker 6: for the Jets, but it was good for the Vikings.
Speaker 6: And I kind of like the fit with Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 6: I think at quarterback's in a good place there. You've
Speaker 6: got wide receivers, you've got a good tight end, like
Speaker 6: your offense is kind of ready to go, and I
Speaker 6: think what happens to McCarthy is one of the more
Speaker 6: interesting subplots to next season. It's not great for Sam Darnold,
Speaker 6: but I think there was always a plan to get
Speaker 6: a different quarterbacks once then knew that too.
Speaker 4: Once they traded for that second first round pick, the
Speaker 4: writing was on the wall, Yeah, now just become again.
Speaker 4: There will be and they'll play their cards close to
Speaker 4: the vest, like who's going to start at the beginning
Speaker 4: of the season. But JJ McCarthy is the quote unquote
Speaker 4: proven winner. He's a guy that's won at every level
Speaker 4: he's played at. I think they're gonna view him as
Speaker 4: a guy that's going to be ready physically and emotionally
Speaker 4: to take that gig, and they're gonna hope he's gonna
Speaker 4: run with it. I was a little spooked, like if
Speaker 4: I'm even though they didn't they were smart the way
Speaker 4: they played, they didn't panic, and I thought if they
Speaker 4: wanted a quarterback and they couldn't get those top three
Speaker 4: more or less, staying home or as close as you
Speaker 4: can to staying home was the right play. But then
Speaker 4: you know, you see like people that been studying this
Speaker 4: player for months and months and years saying he's like
Speaker 4: maybe like an Alex Smith, Like oh okay, all right,
Speaker 4: well he had some good years, but I mean, is
Speaker 4: that what you want out of your like number I
Speaker 4: guess I don't know, is Alex Smith? Is that a
Speaker 4: ceiling that's acceptable for the pick? I don't know if
Speaker 4: that's what his ceiling is.
Speaker 5: He's been sometimes the Cousins, like of the next gen Cousins,
Speaker 5: it's kind of like you could deal with that, that's right.
Speaker 5: And it's kind of like when you're comparing these guys
Speaker 5: pennex to Flacco is another one from DJ where it's
Speaker 5: like next gen Flaco, next gen Cousins, because like every
Speaker 5: quarterback now is extremely athletic compared to those guys. It's
Speaker 5: fun like JJ McCarthy's almost talked about as like his
Speaker 5: athleticism is born.
Speaker 2: He he tested off the charts for some of this stuff.
Speaker 5: Like his straight he's not like gonna make you miss,
Speaker 5: but his straight line speed is three code like that
Speaker 5: sort of like he has a big arm, and he's
Speaker 5: an athlete, even if that's not the main part of
Speaker 5: his game.
Speaker 2: But he did seem to be the guy that.
Speaker 5: The Sean McVay tree, of which O'Connell is one, liked
Speaker 5: the best, because he's like the one to two to three,
Speaker 5: like maybe not so much Cousins or Alex Smith, but
Speaker 5: like a better brock Purty, which obviously you would take
Speaker 5: it if he actually can deliver on that. I I
Speaker 5: wonder if the Broncos wanted JJ McCarthy, you know, because
Speaker 5: that's the reason you trade.
Speaker 2: Up, well, I think more than probably more than Bonnicks.
Speaker 2: If we could truth here on them, right, we would
Speaker 2: hold that thought out, hold that thought.
Speaker 4: Let's take a break, and when we get back, we
Speaker 4: check in on the middle of the first round, stay
Speaker 4: right there, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Welcome back. So the Jets move back one spot
Speaker 2: and brock Howers is there.
Speaker 4: I think they really you'll never know, but I think
Speaker 4: they were hoping Roma Dunze was there, and I think
Speaker 4: they maybe would have pulled the trigger there, but maybe
Speaker 4: maybe they always were going to take the best offensive
Speaker 4: lineman available at that point, and it was oluh.
Speaker 2: Fashion, Yeah, you got first try Ol fashion from Penn State.
Speaker 4: So, like I said, like I said on our last show,
Speaker 4: when your your team takes an offensive lineman, it's never
Speaker 4: overly exciting.
Speaker 2: However, they have a left and a right tackle.
Speaker 4: Even as high the as the potential is with Tyron Smith,
Speaker 4: now they're left tackle two thirty three year olds Morgan Moses.
Speaker 2: On the other side.
Speaker 4: Smith's injury issues are well documented. If either of those
Speaker 4: guys go down, or both those guys go down, all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you have a forty year old Aaron
Speaker 4: Rodgers coming off an Achilles injury, and you're right back
Speaker 4: where it feels like you've been.
Speaker 2: So it makes sense. It's a sensible pick.
Speaker 4: It's if brock Bauers, who then goes two picks later
Speaker 4: to the Raiders, turns into George Kittle, like his competence
Speaker 4: out there and Fashiono, it becomes yet another offensive lineman
Speaker 4: who kind of just kicks around the league and it
Speaker 4: doesn't quite take. If he becomes Makai Becton, you gotta
Speaker 4: you have to live with it. But it makes sense.
Speaker 4: It's a logical pick for the job.
Speaker 6: That's the whole like psychological dynamic of the draft, is
Speaker 6: you no matter what kind of fan you are or
Speaker 6: even analyst, if you like a team, you're kind of
Speaker 6: just dreaming of the showy, sexy weapons type guy, and like,
Speaker 6: you don't really value offensive lineman out of the gate.
Speaker 2: But this guy's been compared to Laramie Tunzel.
Speaker 6: Jason Zumwalt when he announced this pick in the mock draft,
Speaker 6: like was salivating over these six to six frame, three
Speaker 6: hundred and seventeen pounds, And you know what's not exciting
Speaker 6: is having your quarterback swarm by bees four plays into
Speaker 6: the season and the season is destroyed. So I like
Speaker 6: the idea of protecting Aaron Rodgers not having the whole
Speaker 6: thing crumble minutes into campaign two.
Speaker 5: Right, this is I didn't like when I was positioned
Speaker 5: as like, well, do you take a pick for now
Speaker 5: with the Jets with a pass catcher or do you
Speaker 5: take a pick for the future of the tackle. It's like, no,
Speaker 5: this is for now, Like like, hopefully he's not starting
Speaker 5: Week one, but it would be a shock if he
Speaker 5: wasn't needed to start this season.
Speaker 2: And I really liked him. I think he was.
Speaker 5: He was probably the consensus tackle too, certainly overlaith them
Speaker 5: in that like we've seen with tackles that it's a
Speaker 5: really developmental position, maybe even more than quarterback where it
Speaker 5: takes me one year, two years, it takes a while.
Speaker 5: And fashion who kind of combine maybe better than the others,
Speaker 5: a guy that could play sooner than later and had
Speaker 5: some upside behind probably only all and he's definitely a
Speaker 5: guy that's like better in pass pro than run blocking.
Speaker 5: It's like, sign me up for those guys. Those are
Speaker 5: like kind of the tackles I want the guys that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, DJ said he would have been a top five
Speaker 6: pick a year ago, so I mean, like, I think
Speaker 6: this is just one of these drafts where he's getting
Speaker 6: pushed down the board a little because of the positions
Speaker 6: that are going ahead of him.
Speaker 2: And I'll give Joe Douglas credit.
Speaker 4: I think when you look at what they've done this offseason,
Speaker 4: he could have done the thing that would have made
Speaker 4: a lot of sense, which is almost make it a
Speaker 4: absurd all in year where you're doing things like you
Speaker 4: trade up for Marvin Harrison, or you make that extra
Speaker 4: signing or two in free agency. I thought all of
Speaker 4: his moves that he made, for the most part, have
Speaker 4: made this team better and are giving them a real
Speaker 4: chance in twenty twenty four, and while they're gonna have
Speaker 4: a lot of work to do next year if Aaron
Speaker 4: Rodgers is gone or can't play anymore, they haven't mortgaged
Speaker 4: the farm in terms of a lot of their spending.
Speaker 2: So I think there.
Speaker 4: I think he has handled this in a responsible a
Speaker 4: considering there's a very good chance he's not around anymore
Speaker 4: if the season goes poorly.
Speaker 2: I don't think he is gm that way, No, but
Speaker 2: we want, like to be fair. I'm not. It's not
Speaker 2: a Pennock situation.
Speaker 6: But if you're gonna take someone at eleven, you want
Speaker 6: him to contribute and play very soon too.
Speaker 2: I think he will though. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I also because invariably it's the Jets. They're gonna lose
Speaker 6: like two linemen.
Speaker 2: You know that has been the way.
Speaker 4: I would be very surprised if we don't see Oulu
Speaker 4: on the field this year.
Speaker 2: You got to come up with a nickname for him.
Speaker 4: You can't, oh for sh I mean, oh, it is
Speaker 4: a good name, pretty good. So yes, bo Nicks. So
Speaker 4: he is the sixth quarterback off the board in twelve
Speaker 4: picks to the Denver Broncos. Greg, what were your thoughts
Speaker 4: about this election, Sean Payton seemed to be pretty happy
Speaker 4: with himself in the war room after after went down
Speaker 4: twenty four years at all, Auburn transfer to Oregon, and
Speaker 4: now he is entering a quarterback room that has Jared Stidham,
Speaker 4: that has Wilson and now Bow Nix, who I would
Speaker 4: imagine is going to be playing very soon.
Speaker 5: I want to get into Nicks. But as you mentioned,
Speaker 5: like being proud of himself in the in the worom.
Speaker 5: This is the first draft I've ever watched. Partially with Emica.
Speaker 5: I want my wife along with Walker. You know, she
Speaker 5: was there just coming in and out. But she's like,
Speaker 5: why are they so proud of themselves when they like
Speaker 5: make a decision. It's like, oh, you know, like she
Speaker 5: really cracked up about that. They're all like high fiving.
Speaker 5: There is something awkward to an outsider of like, hey,
Speaker 5: we just called in the pick and then like fifteen
Speaker 5: different guys are like high fiving each other.
Speaker 6: There is something they've been working on it from us,
Speaker 6: so I mean, but also they're all they're all in
Speaker 6: the cusp of probably like separations.
Speaker 2: We get it, we just called it a name.
Speaker 4: Just that is that moment and you could tell Emica.
Speaker 4: I said that, I'm sure she'll be thrilled to hear
Speaker 4: me man split. She has never listened to now that
Speaker 4: that's the cold nation. I did say of months and
Speaker 4: months of hard work, Dan, of grinding, right, that was
Speaker 4: and we appreciate that one moment like oh you beat
Speaker 4: the ten minute clock to make a phone call.
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, that's fair. I don't love what
Speaker 5: I've heard from Seun Payt afterwards. It almost sounds like
Speaker 5: in all these little leaks coming out and.
Speaker 2: Sean Payte's coming after Peyton, I love it. Well, it's
Speaker 2: just like, what is it? Now? What did he do?
Speaker 5: It's nothing, just that they're so high on bow Nicks
Speaker 5: and they're just leaking off.
Speaker 2: Of course they're going to say they're high. They're drafting
Speaker 2: them with the twelfth overall pen.
Speaker 5: Of course, but no one thought he was a special
Speaker 5: enough player to go in the first round. And so
Speaker 5: I said, he gave me Jake Locker Christian Ponder vibes.
Speaker 5: And it wasn't because of his playing style at all.
Speaker 5: Maybe Ponder, Uh, it wasn't because of his plain style.
Speaker 5: It's just like it's the end of the quarterback around.
Speaker 5: We have to get a quarterback. We can't wait any longer.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 4: Let's take the last one before we feel like there's
Speaker 4: a drop.
Speaker 6: The one thing I do like about him he had
Speaker 6: three thy seven hundred and twenty four college snaps. That's
Speaker 6: more than like Burrows had in the NFL. And it's
Speaker 6: like he did he transferred and had like two totally
Speaker 6: different types of playing styles like it he was. He
Speaker 6: was a better, different, more accurate type quarterback at Oregon.
Speaker 4: But I'm with you, I mean that whole thing where
Speaker 4: it's like this guy played a ton of snaps in college,
Speaker 4: doesn't do six for me.
Speaker 2: Sixty one career start.
Speaker 6: So then there's then there's like Achilles Smith who had
Speaker 6: twelve starts and went like second overall or something and
Speaker 6: flamed out, Like I think, I think having more tape
Speaker 6: on a quarterback is a good thing. I don't know,
Speaker 6: but the odds are the six quarterback off the board
Speaker 6: in the first round is problematic.
Speaker 5: He look his like super high tier comp was was
Speaker 5: breezed that he's just like a point guard, a quick
Speaker 5: decision maker.
Speaker 2: And who coached you, but also sort of an Alex Smith.
Speaker 5: Too, right, And and Peyton is such a good coach.
Speaker 5: His quarterbacks always have good numbers, always are pretty efficient,
Speaker 5: like he's gonna make it work. Well, it's just with
Speaker 5: the twelfth overall pick, you're taking a quarterback you want.
Speaker 5: You want someone that can maybe make all the throws
Speaker 5: and that has shown an ability to withstand pressure. That
Speaker 5: was the thing watching him. He didn't face a lot
Speaker 5: of pressure when he was at Oregon, but when he did,
Speaker 5: he had like no answer for it.
Speaker 6: Well, he also had forty five touchdowns, three picks last
Speaker 6: season and a seventy seven point four completion percentage. So
Speaker 6: it's not some of these guys like, well, we hope
Speaker 6: that they can be accurate as a pro. We love
Speaker 6: their arm and all this stuff. It's like, I think
Speaker 6: this isn't a Sean Payton type guy. Like, so that's
Speaker 6: I can understand. I don't think it's all false pr
Speaker 6: that that I know that anything that comes out of
Speaker 6: Sean Payton's mouth, greg Is and Amica certly are going
Speaker 6: to disagree with or shun.
Speaker 2: But it's like he can.
Speaker 5: Work with this guy. So he wasn't coming out of
Speaker 5: Sean Payton specifically. It was a different war room. But uh,
Speaker 5: he actually admitted after too that He's like, well, I
Speaker 5: may have been directly responsible for making people think that
Speaker 5: we were going to trade up. So he was bragging afterwards.
Speaker 5: How he It's like verbalized that like twelve times.
Speaker 4: It's almost like Sean Payton has an exceedingly high opinion
Speaker 4: of himself. I just get this feeling. Anybody else get
Speaker 4: that feeling? There is there is an energy. Alright, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna do the next five picks and jump in with
Speaker 4: anything on any of them. Okay, so you got brock
Speaker 4: Bauers the tight end going to the Raiders. So they
Speaker 4: find their Darren Waller replacement. Look at it that way,
Speaker 4: as a hyper athletic playmaker, maybe not a high end blocker.
Speaker 4: The Saints drafted tackle I'm not gonna get this one
Speaker 4: at Teleisi Fuaga out of Oregon State. And then at
Speaker 4: number fifteen, the Colts say, you know what, We're going
Speaker 4: to end the street the streak, and we're going to
Speaker 4: take a defensive player. So they take Latu Latu defensive
Speaker 4: end out of UCLA.
Speaker 2: So you get high value.
Speaker 4: There is the first defensive player off the board in
Speaker 4: the middle of the first round. This was an outlier, obviously,
Speaker 4: and the Seahawks take Byron Murphy, the defensive tackle out
Speaker 4: of Texas, so there is thirteen through sixteen.
Speaker 5: Bowers going to the Raiders was fascinating. No one had
Speaker 5: that happening. I love it because they just need more weapons.
Speaker 5: But the reason no one had it happening is because
Speaker 5: they just took Michael Mayer last year. It's is like
Speaker 5: a high second round. That's right, but interesting. It was
Speaker 5: a different regime and I'm with that. First of all,
Speaker 5: Bowers is a whole nother level of athletics.
Speaker 2: You could make two tight ends work.
Speaker 5: You want to, and Mayer is a little bit more
Speaker 5: of the the inline tight end who can also catch
Speaker 5: some passes but isn't gonna be going for like a
Speaker 5: thousand yards and Bowers could be that guy, and you
Speaker 5: just can't.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 5: Make decisions based on what the last GM did, like like, oh,
Speaker 5: he took mayor so I can't take him if you
Speaker 5: think Bowers is the best guy, and a lot of teams, probably.
Speaker 6: Especially especially the last Raiders GM, but now generally, but.
Speaker 4: From like a Raiders fan perspective, last year he used
Speaker 4: the first round pick on a tight end. You weren't
Speaker 4: second high second Oh high second on a tight end
Speaker 4: like was his ceiling here? Like inline blocker who has
Speaker 4: six hundred yards in a season like right, it doesn't
Speaker 4: sound like a team that's you know, but that's the
Speaker 4: risk when you blow things up and regimes change.
Speaker 2: It leads to it's.
Speaker 6: Great news for Gardner Minshew because it's like you're now
Speaker 6: you're starting. It's your team at this point. But I
Speaker 6: will say the one pick, I think it's not great
Speaker 6: news for Devontae Adams. But yeah, no, you're right. But
Speaker 6: if you're Mike McDonald, I just watched what he did
Speaker 6: with so many Ravens players on defense last year.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what the Seahawks were going to do
Speaker 2: in this.
Speaker 6: I kind of thought they might go for quarterback like
Speaker 6: they might, but Byron Murphy, to me, I loved watching him,
Speaker 6: and I think Mike McDonald is going to get something
Speaker 6: out of Byron Murphy right away. It wasn't like it
Speaker 6: was the biggest need on the play at all other needs,
Speaker 6: but like I love, I think it's a Seattle Seahawks
Speaker 6: type player.
Speaker 5: Right, and the things pick they kind of had to
Speaker 5: make it. This has been bubbling around, but Ian reported
Speaker 5: how Ryan Ramchick might be retiring. So I talked about
Speaker 5: how they blew their left tackle pick a couple of
Speaker 5: years ago, Trevor Penny, who can't get on the field,
Speaker 5: so they needed a left tackle. They also needed a
Speaker 5: right tackle, so they just had to take a tackle,
Speaker 5: and they took the guy who's like most fun to
Speaker 5: watch in like a brawler type, which is very sainty,
Speaker 5: and I will say I have to do a lot
Speaker 5: to like his pass rushing was I.
Speaker 2: I'm pumped for him as a pro.
Speaker 5: Hym and my guy Newton were my two favorite defensive
Speaker 5: players in the draft.
Speaker 4: Only one of them got drafted tonight, though we'll talk
Speaker 4: about that on Saturday. But little Susie ain't getting the
Speaker 4: braces this summer.
Speaker 2: Not this summer. Maybe next summer. Don't count old buck tooth, Susie.
Speaker 6: It gets tougher and tougher to correct teeth with braces
Speaker 6: as you age.
Speaker 5: Got to keep her in the dark. Hey, I didn't
Speaker 5: make you guys follow me, but I did get a
Speaker 5: tweet from tah seventy six rain maker blanked me again.
Speaker 4: All right, stick a pin in that defensive runt, the
Speaker 4: third defensive player in the road in a row. Because
Speaker 4: the Vikings. They make more moves. Yes, greg no go
Speaker 4: aheading at me now. I just want to on the Vikings.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just let me get it out.
Speaker 4: Minnesota Vikings via trade from the Jaguars, get Dallas Turner,
Speaker 4: outside linebacker from Alabama. That nice value pick there, Gregory,
Speaker 4: it was, you know what he I had a harder
Speaker 4: time with him, but he he he's a great A
Speaker 4: lot of people had him as the top ed rusher,
Speaker 4: DJ had him like great value to get up there.
Speaker 5: But they gave up you know, a three and a
Speaker 5: four to move up five spots, and it did make
Speaker 5: me think.
Speaker 2: About them not a value pick.
Speaker 5: They've just been building this team up for three years now,
Speaker 5: even though they have like a new quarterback that it
Speaker 5: felt like this was a little bit of go time
Speaker 5: for QUESTI. They've been accumulating picks and take a lot
Speaker 5: of different guys, and it was like, we got to
Speaker 5: start getting our guys and we got to kind of
Speaker 5: push our chips in the table. We got to be
Speaker 5: a little better this year to help out our rookie
Speaker 5: quarterback and Sam Darnold on the defensive side. So they're
Speaker 5: they're kind of taking a swing here by giving up
Speaker 5: all those picks, those just to move up five spots.
Speaker 6: That was expensive. It was a fit along with the switching.
Speaker 6: First it was a fifth this year, and a third
Speaker 6: and a fourth next season.
Speaker 4: Now, Mark, I don't put it like I don't get
Speaker 4: too jazzed up about guys that play a million snaps
Speaker 4: in college, but I do get noivous when guys hardly
Speaker 4: play in college. Right, And so the Bengals and a
Speaker 4: lot of people saw this coming, Mark, I think you
Speaker 4: had Cincinnati going for the offensive line in your Mark draft. Yeah,
Speaker 4: not this guy Amarus Mims out of Georgia, who's got
Speaker 4: everything you could want out of a tackle in terms
Speaker 4: of size and athleticism.
Speaker 2: But this man made eight starts in college.
Speaker 4: So that is obviously you are You're looking at his
Speaker 4: traits and you're saying this, this is an NFL player,
Speaker 4: but you barely saw him in college. But the tape
Speaker 4: and his testing was enough for the Cincinnati to say,
Speaker 4: maybe we have something special here that seems like a
Speaker 4: roll of the dice at eighteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I with you.
Speaker 6: I like, I think, like you know, injury history and
Speaker 6: durability matter. Like he'd allowed one QB hurry on two
Speaker 6: hundred and ninety seven snaps last year, and he'd I
Speaker 6: don't know. I think that if you read the positive traits,
Speaker 6: the Bengals are are hoping traits are great. I mean
Speaker 6: because he's shown those things. It's not like they're guessing
Speaker 6: that he has them. It's just that he was like
Speaker 6: it wasn't around.
Speaker 5: Six ' eight though they have a type there. There
Speaker 5: are three tackles right now. Are Orlando Brown one of
Speaker 5: the largest humans ever created, Trent Brown one of the
Speaker 5: largest humans ever created? With now Amarus Mims who a
Speaker 5: lot of people, the people that are super into tackles
Speaker 5: in the draft, they're thinking he's the most fascinating guy
Speaker 5: in the draft. That the boomer bus guy in the
Speaker 5: draft could be a total top five talent in total
Speaker 5: who knows, you know, have a good development six.
Speaker 4: Seven three forty, gifted with size and athleticism with Kaipex
Speaker 4: like it.
Speaker 2: It can go both ways with the Giants. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: what do you want him to be? Five?
Speaker 4: No, I want him to be exactly six six eighteen
Speaker 4: And then I'm totally fine with the pick.
Speaker 2: You asked, well, I mean, point Mark, thank you wouldn't
Speaker 2: even make a point be on the field a little more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess that's what you are. That's the question. What
Speaker 2: was the point that you don't want me to be small?
Speaker 2: I thought I made it.
Speaker 6: I thought I made a point that I think if
Speaker 6: you're listening to this, you're thinking that was that. I
Speaker 6: took Dan in a different direction there, wheeled him around
Speaker 6: a little bit.
Speaker 2: So wheel this. The rams at nineteen finally picked this one.
Speaker 2: Was fun.
Speaker 4: I love this on the you love the pick, I
Speaker 4: love the player. Okay, I love this all right. So
Speaker 4: Jared Verse is very talented defensive end. A lot of
Speaker 4: people say, oh, maybe the best PR pass rusher and
Speaker 4: all that. However, you know enough enough. However, I loved
Speaker 4: this from Charles Davis, who while Jared Versus, you know,
Speaker 4: off the board and it's this big moment in his life.
Speaker 4: Here's Charles Davis asking the questions that need to be as.
Speaker 4: I talk with a top level NFL scout former GM
Speaker 4: and he said, hey, this kid had the reputation of being,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of a you know what.
Speaker 2: So I asked him, point, Blake, are you a new
Speaker 2: you know what? Jared Verse? And he said, I am
Speaker 2: on the practice field and on the game field. The
Speaker 2: rest of the time. I'm an okay guy. He knows
Speaker 2: how to.
Speaker 4: Turn it on, just like charl Di so you and
Speaker 4: asked like, be honest.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 6: I I don't know if I saw anyone like on
Speaker 6: the defensive side of the ball that made me more
Speaker 6: interested than this player.
Speaker 5: Charles was kind of working blue tonight because he also
Speaker 5: tried to quote, uh, why am I forgetting his name
Speaker 5: Brian Cox's character in Succession? You know f Off doing
Speaker 5: the telecast.
Speaker 2: Davis was out there today. Is that I like that
Speaker 2: version of him? I love that Charles Davis. Sorry, Jared Versus,
Speaker 2: you were very verse, not.
Speaker 6: Like you know the way he rushes the passer, like
Speaker 6: I mentioned on that other show, watching him just like
Speaker 6: take you know these six six three d and forty
Speaker 6: pound guys and just like smashing them into the quarterback
Speaker 6: and they both fall to the ground.
Speaker 2: Like toy soldiers. It's like this guy like makes the rams.
Speaker 6: I mean it was a need for them too, but
Speaker 6: it's like it is someone that can come in and
Speaker 6: like punish people in the NFC West.
Speaker 2: I kind of love him the way he plays a
Speaker 2: nice team. I love him with Byron Young. It's kind
Speaker 2: of the total opposite.
Speaker 5: You have you have the bend in the edge speed Edgdresher,
Speaker 5: and then you have the big strong maybe set the
Speaker 5: edge a little better in the run defense with Jared
Speaker 5: versus they're a nice little and.
Speaker 2: Think he's a little bit of a butt head. Hopefully
Speaker 2: he can deal with it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: He said he's a good guy. Off he'd claim he
Speaker 2: said he was, Yeah, well how would you, how would anyone?
Speaker 2: Well if it got to the point where like a
Speaker 2: lot of the chatter was like, you know, this guy
Speaker 2: kind of sucks all of that.
Speaker 5: He seemed to have a very nice, loving family set up.
Speaker 5: He had a heartwarming.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it. I don't know anything about the man.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying it had reached a level that Charles
Speaker 4: Davis brought it up to a national audience minutes seconds
Speaker 4: after he was taken. And then it was so important
Speaker 4: to Charles C. D that he asked the man himself.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the report, the reporting hit a tipping point and
Speaker 6: he had to, you know, ask the question that needed
Speaker 6: to be asked to get that. Do you want him
Speaker 6: to be I don't want to be too friendly, so my.
Speaker 4: Curiosity is peaked like like what is going on for
Speaker 4: that to be like a main storyline from one of
Speaker 4: the top college analysts. Seconds there, Eric, can you put
Speaker 4: in a request for Jared Verse? When we talk about this,
Speaker 4: I get that, what a great point, and give me
Speaker 4: a ding, give me something. Nobody's asking these questions. Well,
Speaker 4: Charles Davis, is you get a bully for a ding?
Speaker 4: It's not It's not worth it. It handed out dings
Speaker 4: and greats points. The Sessler's not even making points.
Speaker 6: Why why do you need to turn into this person
Speaker 6: during this during what has been a you know, a
Speaker 6: relatively well natured show. You're you're asking for praise and
Speaker 6: sound clips and all this stuff without endless praise? Can
Speaker 6: you get out of this show without endless praise aimed
Speaker 6: at you?
Speaker 2: Do you know? You know? I don't know. It seems absurd.
Speaker 2: Do you know what you think I'm being right now?
Speaker 2: You're being I don't know if I'd go there. It's
Speaker 2: brought a background on you.
Speaker 4: He did bring your back around, Yeah, admit, Like, all right,
Speaker 4: let's take a Breakney and let's finish round one. All right,
Speaker 4: we're back. We are at pick twenty. Let's hit the
Speaker 4: rest of the first round. Now, the Pittsburgh Steelers. They
Speaker 4: go to their offensive line, adding help there with Troy
Speaker 4: Fatinau from Washington. So interior is that the first guard
Speaker 4: off the board interior alignment.
Speaker 5: You know they're listing him that way. But he was
Speaker 5: fantastic at tackle and could be playing there like a
Speaker 5: lot of these offensive linemen. Actually, Graham Martin coming up
Speaker 5: to could play multiple positions, but I have a feeling
Speaker 5: they will try him at tackle.
Speaker 6: He's incredibly Yeah, PFF called him, labeled him as the
Speaker 6: most versatile alignment of any of them. So that's you know,
Speaker 6: multi position diverse and the best overall athlete of all
Speaker 6: the lignment.
Speaker 2: It's saying. It looked more like a tight end.
Speaker 4: It's excellent to have the Yeah, the alignment that could
Speaker 4: play all over.
Speaker 2: Now, the Dolphins they go defense.
Speaker 4: They take Chop Robinson edge at a Penn State and
Speaker 4: that is a move. You know, some people thought, Greggie,
Speaker 4: maybe the Dolphins would take a burner and just go
Speaker 4: totally hog while on their offense. But they do address
Speaker 4: their defense, which seems to make sense. Well, I thought
Speaker 4: they might go your guy Newton there. Yeah, I was
Speaker 4: where it started to feel like this storry bro might
Speaker 4: not work out for me. It was a big need
Speaker 4: because Bradley Chubb and Jalen Phillips just bad luck, are
Speaker 4: coming off massive injuries. Both of them might not be
Speaker 4: ready for the start of the season, so you could
Speaker 4: be starting or certainly asking Chop Robinson to play a
Speaker 4: lot of snaps. Shack Barry is on that roster too.
Speaker 4: Quiet signing by.
Speaker 6: Them, and they were like their pass rushing fell apart
Speaker 6: at the end of last season. I don't hate I
Speaker 6: like to pick for them. I thought that, like Chop
Speaker 6: Robinson was interesting to watch.
Speaker 2: I thought Xavier Worthy there would.
Speaker 4: Have been that would have been whining, but he landed
Speaker 4: in a pretty fascinating place. I thought it was I
Speaker 4: thought it was weird and that you don't usually see this.
Speaker 4: I think it was Daniel Jeremiah who said that Chop
Speaker 4: Robinson his nickname of Chop is because of like the
Speaker 4: choppy steps he takes. He's known for, Like that's the
Speaker 4: way he kind of moves, and that's one of the
Speaker 4: things that perhaps they want to coach out of him.
Speaker 4: So you want to quar nick out. Yeah, the thing
Speaker 4: that his actual like his nickname. Wow, Yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 2: I didn't like that at all.
Speaker 4: Old regular steps Robinson. Yeah, that's troubling anyway. Let's move
Speaker 4: to the Eagles, who have done it again, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 4: boys and girls. As you heard you heard it here
Speaker 4: first that the Eagles won the draft Night one with
Speaker 4: Quinyan Mitchell out of Toledo cornerback, high value. And I
Speaker 4: was seeing it everywhere. But let's call this one up.
Speaker 4: I saw this. Quinyan Mitchell electrifies Eagles fans at number
Speaker 4: twenty two Comma Heist of the twenty twenty four NFL drafts.
Speaker 4: So rest easy, everyone, The sheep are still herded together.
Speaker 4: Oh trope of Yes, what all the smart people say
Speaker 4: the Eagles do everything right? So I will say that
Speaker 4: immediately on instinct, and then I'll be amongst the safe people.
Speaker 5: Well, this bit must be, uh, this is all in
Speaker 5: your head. This bit must be really resonating because after
Speaker 5: this pick, and of course I complimented something about the Eagles,
Speaker 5: Everyone's like.
Speaker 2: Is that going to be okay? With Dan? Hey?
Speaker 5: All we heard all week is like, there's no chance
Speaker 5: Howie Roseman sticking in picking. He does kind of trade
Speaker 5: up and trade out, but how he's so far ahead
Speaker 5: of the rest of the league. He knew somehow that
Speaker 5: he was going to have his pick of any cornerback
Speaker 5: in the draft his number one need. So we think alike.
Speaker 5: After all these podcasts together, Dan I also collected some
Speaker 5: reaction to the Eagles picks.
Speaker 2: We have a series of Doug Ferrar is higher than
Speaker 2: an A plus.
Speaker 5: Let's go there is nothing higher than an A plus,
Speaker 5: Lindsay Roads, our great friend likely fun to be an
Speaker 5: Eagles fan on draft. Every pick just feels perpot ah ah, what.
Speaker 2: Are you talking? We got one more?
Speaker 5: We got one more? This was my favorite one. How
Speaker 5: he can't keep getting away with this?
Speaker 2: I think Dan's point has been made. Howie mother, it's
Speaker 2: it's a perfect It looks like a great pick. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying it. It is a good way.
Speaker 4: People in our industry tend to want to gravitate toward
Speaker 4: who are the the thought leaders on social media, and
Speaker 4: they know that the Eagles are very popular amongst those people,
Speaker 4: one of them, and so they'll just say, oh, let
Speaker 4: me immediately get my take out there, my little keyboard. Yeah,
Speaker 4: get my little keyboard out there. I'll get my take
Speaker 4: out there, and I'll align with the smart people. And
Speaker 4: then people think I'm smart.
Speaker 6: I think I think I saw these people have the
Speaker 6: same opinion. I think Dan is absolutely onto something. And then,
Speaker 6: like rosemand got going early. They signed aj Brown to
Speaker 6: a three year deal right after the DeVante Smith thing,
Speaker 6: which I thought cleared up what could have been an
Speaker 6: off season you know, drama, drama gone.
Speaker 2: Howie Roseman, what great to give.
Speaker 5: That A plus plus plus plus plus it was this
Speaker 5: that was like a sneaky big contract is by far
Speaker 5: the biggest thing.
Speaker 2: They just gave a huge contract to a wide receivers.
Speaker 5: Eighty four million guarantee right if thirty two a year
Speaker 5: in new money, which is easily the most. And we'll
Speaker 5: have to look at all the details and stuff, but
Speaker 5: this is setting the bar. I think these these wide
Speaker 5: receiver contracts are going to get crazy. Everyone's trying to
Speaker 5: get in before Jefferson because the aman Ross Saint Brown contract.
Speaker 5: We never hit that on this on the pod just
Speaker 5: because of timing, but both him and Piney Sewell got
Speaker 5: monster deals from the Lions.
Speaker 2: Classy move by the Lions.
Speaker 5: They give their stars huge contracts way before the draft,
Speaker 5: and then they bring them out to introduce the draft
Speaker 5: along with Megatron and them and.
Speaker 2: There has to be a tradition obviously pretty good sense
Speaker 2: to the moment. Every team at the moment.
Speaker 4: Every team that's hosting should do that with their here
Speaker 4: their legends, because it's a great moment for them and
Speaker 4: the fans that are there for ten hours. All kidding aside,
Speaker 4: I think it's a perfectly good pick for the Eagles.
Speaker 4: They do know what they're doing, and I did. I
Speaker 4: think it left me. I felt a little I felt
Speaker 4: a little bad, quite honestly about I don't want to
Speaker 4: be in a like a blood feud with Philadelphia because
Speaker 4: I don't have any issues with Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: Apparently not.
Speaker 4: I really don't like about those Sixers Nicks series going
Speaker 4: on that that's great and that's fun. And the Sixers
Speaker 4: got off the mat tonight. It's a good job by them.
Speaker 4: But so there's a there's I guess that's a rivalry.
Speaker 4: But I'm not a Mets fan, so like the Phillies
Speaker 4: don't bother me, and I'm not a Giants fan, contrary
Speaker 4: to popular belief by people who listen to the show,
Speaker 4: so I don't have an Eagles hatred.
Speaker 2: In fact, I'm going to share some things I like
Speaker 2: about Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 4: Let's take a brief aside here Hall of Oates, love
Speaker 4: hall of Oates. How about cheese steaks with the cheese whizz.
Speaker 4: Mark can't wait till they are both.
Speaker 2: He's like, we're going to be here five more. I
Speaker 2: give them both. A lot of people say, oh, I
Speaker 2: only like Hall not Over, but I'm both from Philly.
Speaker 2: They're Philly. Yeah that Philly for real? Is there a
Speaker 2: third item? More? Mark?
Speaker 4: Okay, Randall Cunningham's ninety one yard punt?
Speaker 2: Love that? Yeah, yep, good? Remember that.
Speaker 4: I meant the Giant team. But how about like that
Speaker 4: ninety two yard throw that touchdown?
Speaker 2: Love that too?
Speaker 4: And I love that move the Superman dive in the
Speaker 4: end zone. Love it all, but the ninety one yard
Speaker 4: punt is better. I like Bryce Harper speaking of the Phillies,
Speaker 4: He's a fun guy to watch. I like Questlove. I
Speaker 4: like the Roots, I got good songs.
Speaker 2: I like, uh, it's always sunny in Philadelphia or listening
Speaker 2: to it right now? The theme? Yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 2: a Hollywood product. Put okay, you know what. I like
Speaker 2: the Declaration of Independence? Bitch, that's American. Where was the
Speaker 2: sign near that crack bell? I get it? I like
Speaker 2: Silver Linings Playbook. Okay, do you I do. I love
Speaker 2: that movie. Actually, even though Bradley Cooper's in, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: feel like that one of the main star. You seem
Speaker 2: to dislike that.
Speaker 4: I love several of the m Night Shyamalan films, fine,
Speaker 4: several of them, and most of all, I love Colleen Wolf.
Speaker 4: So okay, put it all together, and uh, it's not
Speaker 4: all bad. So I want to I want to make
Speaker 4: peace with Philly if if you want, we could bury
Speaker 4: the hatchet here tonight.
Speaker 6: I think Greg and I are watching you evolved before
Speaker 6: our eyes on this episode of the podcast.
Speaker 5: If you if you watch us on night YouTube, you
Speaker 5: should check that out. Get you know, we'll have it up.
Speaker 5: You'll see Brian Baldinger was there with with Colleen, also
Speaker 5: from Philly. Right, yeah, Paul in Philly. But I didn't notice.
Speaker 5: You didn't mention, you know, Gonzo.
Speaker 2: The oh, I love Gonzo. John goes without saying.
Speaker 4: I mean I could sit here all day just naming
Speaker 4: every person I've ever met from him.
Speaker 2: Right, but he's the husband of the you know the woman.
Speaker 2: This is great. It's very Greg, but yes, John two, okay, good.
Speaker 6: I didn't want to leave now, Greg's like, let's let
Speaker 6: me not get out of this segment without some feud
Speaker 6: being created between you and someone's husband.
Speaker 4: All right, let's move on. The Jacksonville Jaguars. Oh, I
Speaker 4: love this one.
Speaker 2: This one.
Speaker 4: This is via a trade with Minnesota through Cleveland from Houston.
Speaker 4: They Brian Thomas, the wide receiver out of LSU and
Speaker 4: the writing this would have been I feel like an
Speaker 4: easy sandwich, Greg if anybody threw it out there because
Speaker 4: they badly wanted Calvin Ridley back and they thought it
Speaker 4: was in the bag, and then they ended up getting
Speaker 4: losing him because another team blew him out of the water.
Speaker 2: So now they replaced Calvin Ridley and that was a need.
Speaker 5: If a different team made this trade, everyone be like,
Speaker 5: oh they did it again, like they Trent Balki played
Speaker 5: the board perfectly. This is not typically what the Jaguars did.
Speaker 5: But they were at seventeen overall where I thought Brian
Speaker 5: Thomas Junior would have or could have been the pick there.
Speaker 5: They also could have taken a cornerback certainly, but I
Speaker 5: thought they. I love Thomas, people just don't move like him.
Speaker 5: He reminds me a little bit of DK Metcalf just
Speaker 5: in the not like he's as big as as physical.
Speaker 5: He's more of just a burner and smooth, but just
Speaker 5: like he has one skill set that is just so
Speaker 5: exceptional that he can learn the rest as they go.
Speaker 5: And so they moved back six spots. They got all
Speaker 5: these picks. We talked about that the Vikings gave up
Speaker 5: a third and a fourth next year and I think
Speaker 5: really added some juice to that offense. That is a
Speaker 5: speedy offense with ETN, Gabe Davis and Brian Thomas and
Speaker 5: I mean if.
Speaker 6: You look at their wide out room, Christian kirk, z
Speaker 6: A Jones, Gabe Davis and Evan Ingram at tight end,
Speaker 6: like this is a fact. There's a lot going on
Speaker 6: here in terms of right speed, downfield speed and Thomas
Speaker 6: is a deep bul thread.
Speaker 4: Did you guys see the Jaguars war room at this time? Yes,
Speaker 4: that was good, pretty tough. Tony Kahan, who's been on
Speaker 4: the show. He's the son of Seod conn and he's
Speaker 4: a you know, a big figure obviously with the Jaguars,
Speaker 4: and I believe he owns a wrestling.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was like this like in the Latin the
Speaker 6: past couple of days was body slammed we have this
Speaker 6: wrestling event.
Speaker 4: He got pile of driven into the ground and listen,
Speaker 4: wrestling is scripted, but the guys take real bumps. And
Speaker 4: Tony takes a bump that requires him to wear a
Speaker 4: neck brace, and I just have like a take here.
Speaker 4: Neck braces in general, they're rough, like you, like, no
Speaker 4: one looks good in a neck brace. There's something truly
Speaker 4: vulnerable about being stuck in a neck brace. The way
Speaker 4: you're like stiff and you you have no range of
Speaker 4: You're like Michael Keaton in the first Batman, like you
Speaker 4: can't move and your just eyes are darting around.
Speaker 2: You just don't look very good. It's tough, tough, bad
Speaker 2: beat ready to come on? How do you have a controller?
Speaker 2: And take about neck brace?
Speaker 5: Because it's it's kate what do they call it? Kate
Speaker 5: fabri what like he's playing it up. It's a wink
Speaker 5: wink to the whole wrestling community. Yeah, of course it's
Speaker 5: a bit he got. It's wrestling. He's making it really,
Speaker 5: he's making it real. I would say it if you
Speaker 5: in that. Everyone loved it.
Speaker 6: He did seem to be to have full uh full
Speaker 6: motion and he was struggling with his I mean are
Speaker 6: you are you are you telling me that people don't
Speaker 6: get injured in wrestling?
Speaker 5: Of course they do, But I follow I guess enough
Speaker 5: wrestling fans on Twitter that were just going nuts that
Speaker 5: like he took it this far that he acted. They
Speaker 5: were like basically people were begging and hoping he would
Speaker 5: wear the neck brace to the thing because he's not
Speaker 5: really he's not really here.
Speaker 2: And he did it, and he did it. He ended it.
Speaker 2: Your point to it, and he did it last night.
Speaker 2: Would do it.
Speaker 5: He did it last day on national TV to set
Speaker 5: it up.
Speaker 2: He's one step ahead of you.
Speaker 4: He's promoting the injury is one step ahead of the draft.
Speaker 4: I think he wants to be on national television and
Speaker 4: the neck brace. Yes, yeah, I think it's it's we're
Speaker 4: talking about it an act. Yes, I'm just saying it's
Speaker 4: a tough. It's tough. You're not wrong about the neck break.
Speaker 4: Have you ever watch wrestling in your life?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Injuries happen, I know. But in this case, how
Speaker 2: can you be so sure?
Speaker 5: Because because he owns the company and they set it
Speaker 5: up that.
Speaker 2: It happened to he was was he actually pile driven? Yes?
Speaker 2: And then they is it possibly could have hurt his
Speaker 2: neck taking the pile driver.
Speaker 4: You'd have to say it's I will I will defer
Speaker 4: to all the wrestling enthusiasts that are into it night
Speaker 4: after night, who all acknowledged and embraced that he's having
Speaker 4: some fun here.
Speaker 6: I Greg Greg, Like any on any pocket of Twitter,
Speaker 6: Greg is one of the largest followers of every.
Speaker 2: Pocket's got a terrible take.
Speaker 6: Wing once on this show, but he is also one
Speaker 6: of the largest Twitter followers of wrestling fanatics.
Speaker 2: The answer making news. Greg knows everything. But there's no
Speaker 2: question you're wrong in this no question. It's impossible. Wait,
Speaker 2: what's breaking it? Well, yeah, that you're wrong. Oh that's
Speaker 2: impossible now all the time. But in this case, you're wrong.
Speaker 2: But how do you know? I'm just curious, like you,
Speaker 2: you must know because it's I wouldn't this happened.
Speaker 5: I sort of was like, he did it, like it's
Speaker 5: an amazing that's an amazing marketing bit that you set up.
Speaker 4: Marketing because it does set up your national team. I
Speaker 4: think he turned put up put it this way. I
Speaker 4: think he turned lemons into lemonade. I think he got
Speaker 4: dinked in a big spot.
Speaker 6: I think you're you're all right, kind of a Mario
Speaker 6: Smims is like, could they have spent seven minutes on
Speaker 6: on my on the greatest day of mind.
Speaker 4: The Lions, via trade with the Dallas Cowboys, take Terry
Speaker 4: and Arnold, the cornerback out of Alabama. The Packers take
Speaker 4: offensive tackle Jordan Morgan out of Arizona. The Bucks select
Speaker 4: Graham Barton, tackle at a Duke a center that apparently
Speaker 4: the Cowboys wanted a piece of and don't get them.
Speaker 4: And the Cardinals via the Houston Texans they had that
Speaker 4: extra first round pick from their trade last year, take
Speaker 4: Darius Robbins Robinson, defensive end at a Missouri.
Speaker 2: I think for.
Speaker 6: Detroit they were fortunate, as were you know, a number
Speaker 6: of teams that the cornerback run came late that that
Speaker 6: this really was sort of the final position that Detroit
Speaker 6: needed to address.
Speaker 2: And Terry Arnold falls into your lap.
Speaker 6: He's from Alabama, you know he can play, and you
Speaker 6: added Carlton Davis in the offseason, You've got Brian Branch.
Speaker 6: Suddenly it looks like a strength. If Arnold works out,
Speaker 6: you've got a strength.
Speaker 5: He was probably the safest cornerback in the draft just
Speaker 5: because he's from Alabama. He's a Lions type of guy,
Speaker 5: and then to see him come out and the crowd
Speaker 5: just go crazy for him, and he was like ready
Speaker 5: for that moment and like embraced it and said.
Speaker 2: I'm home, I'm home. I just want to say, Detroit
Speaker 2: put y'all got a start, man, he come home. Man,
Speaker 2: that's awesome. Well I dig that. All right.
Speaker 4: Let's stop down right here, take a quick break, and
Speaker 4: we'll be back with more of round one. All right,
Speaker 4: we're back number twenty eight. The Kansas City Chiefs. They
Speaker 4: move up, they trade up, They trade up for a
Speaker 4: wide receiver. Does that sound familiar. We'll talk about it
Speaker 4: on Saturday. And they take Xavier Worthy. And there's a
Speaker 4: lot of reasons to be excited about this pick because
Speaker 4: that is the saving savior. Worthy that ran a four
Speaker 4: point two to one at the combine, setting the record
Speaker 4: at that event for speed.
Speaker 2: He's undersized Mark Sessler.
Speaker 4: However, the Chiefs have been missing this element of their
Speaker 4: offense since Tyreek Hill was traded. And we will not
Speaker 4: go into a new season in Kansas City being like
Speaker 4: they haven't added something new and exciting. This Whether it
Speaker 4: works or not, whether his as an undersized receiver, he's
Speaker 4: able to translate at one hundred and sixty five pounds
Speaker 4: of bucks sixty five.
Speaker 2: We'll see, but this is an exciting idea. Yes, and
Speaker 2: they went for it, and he's.
Speaker 6: Getting to Sean Jackson comps and you added Hollywood Brown.
Speaker 2: So they've addressed it.
Speaker 6: And I think the one of the more fascinating for me,
Speaker 6: unpredictable turns in this draft post Pennix Junior, is that
Speaker 6: the Bills allowed the Chiefs to trade into their spot
Speaker 6: when they also needed a wide receiver.
Speaker 2: And we'll get to what they didn't do later.
Speaker 6: But the Chiefs, of all teams to trade with, allowed
Speaker 6: to come into that space and take a guy that
Speaker 6: amps up their offense. I don't know, you know what,
Speaker 6: just because it's the Bills, I guess it could have
Speaker 6: been anyone. It just seems to me if you're a
Speaker 6: Bills fan, you're like, excuse me, you did what where now?
Speaker 2: Today? With the with the Chiefs. Well, let's ask Eric
Speaker 2: the producer, Eric, where you're at.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's I mean, yeah, it's definitely situations
Speaker 7: you don't do with the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: It's they might as well be in your division.
Speaker 7: It's like, I think it's worse yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 7: mean the Jets haven't ripped our heart out, you know
Speaker 7: every year from no, like they're the ones that won't
Speaker 7: let you go. You're on the blacklist, and then you
Speaker 7: give them, you know, a speedster that we're probably gonna
Speaker 7: give you Tyreek Kill flashbacks and and yeah, and then
Speaker 7: like Mark alluded to, they you know, eventually trade themselves
Speaker 7: out of the first round entirely and don't address anything.
Speaker 2: And it was a weird day. I hear that.
Speaker 5: And but like if the value was good and it
Speaker 5: didn't get that much. Actually they just got to move
Speaker 5: up from the third to the fourth. And it's like
Speaker 5: twenty seven straight teams didn't want Xavier Worthy. The Bills
Speaker 5: didn't want Xavier Worthy. Can maybe Xavier Worthy would have
Speaker 5: felt like two or three more picks? Want me be
Speaker 5: a good pick one argument though, Greg, because the way
Speaker 5: the way it turns out, and the Bills will pick
Speaker 5: you know, first of all, two more wide receivers went
Speaker 5: off the board before they'll pick again, So it's not
Speaker 5: just about Xavier Worthy. But maybe, yeah, maybe they If
Speaker 5: you're a Bills fan, you're like, what are are we
Speaker 5: the AFC's cowboys.
Speaker 2: This officer there would even more.
Speaker 5: Like Ady Mitchell, who is a lot of people's wide
Speaker 5: receiver four or five, is still there and was commonly
Speaker 5: mocked to the Bills, including I think by you, Mark,
Speaker 5: because I think that was the one pick you and
Speaker 5: Walker had the same and they could still take him
Speaker 5: there at at thirty three. I do think Worthy though,
Speaker 5: it's gonna end up being a big part of our
Speaker 5: lives because he's with the Chiefs and he's he's not
Speaker 5: John Ross, he's not Henry Ruggs. To me like he's
Speaker 5: a great route runner, Like he has real like lateral
Speaker 5: movement skills. Now can he survive like at that wait,
Speaker 5: that is a larger question, But he was on a
Speaker 5: team with another guy who's gonna get taken very early tomorrow,
Speaker 5: Ady Mitchell, and like Xavier Worthy was clearly the one,
Speaker 5: and his speed just sort of made defenses have to
Speaker 5: approach them completely different.
Speaker 2: And I think he's gonna be a weapon.
Speaker 4: The Dallas Cowboys that picked twenty nine, they want to
Speaker 4: make that splash this season, but it just nothing seems
Speaker 4: to be going their way. They do end up with
Speaker 4: Tyler Geitton, who is a very big, very physical, very
Speaker 4: fast and athletically gifted tackle prospect out of Oklahoma. But
Speaker 4: another guy like Mims that we were talking about, only
Speaker 4: fifteen college starts. He's seen as a raw prospect and
Speaker 4: for a team that's very much all in now, there's
Speaker 4: a little bit of a gamble here that can you
Speaker 4: get him up to speed and have him be a
Speaker 4: contributor right now actually within a hole on the line
Speaker 4: after Tyron Smith.
Speaker 5: Now supposedly they really wanted to tackle and Graham Barton
Speaker 5: it was a tackle on college, but some people see
Speaker 5: him more as a center into your alignment and the pros.
Speaker 5: But like that was like our guy, Nate Tice, one
Speaker 5: of his very favorite players in the draft, thought he's
Speaker 5: been way overlooked, like a top fifteen player, just going
Speaker 5: to be as safe a pick as you could possibly have,
Speaker 5: a guy that can play right away. And they end
Speaker 5: up trading out of that pick when people thought they
Speaker 5: might take him, maybe hoping he'd fall to twenty nine,
Speaker 5: and instead they get a guy who kind of looks
Speaker 5: like a project. And they need guys to play right away,
Speaker 5: and Guyton is supposed to be one of those guys
Speaker 5: that might need a year or two to develop.
Speaker 6: I like what the Cardinals did too, by the way,
Speaker 6: Darius Robinson. But I go back to Graham Barton. I
Speaker 6: think Graham Barton is the Bucks took him, is one
Speaker 6: of the more intriguing a lignement in this entire draft.
Speaker 6: And we talked about a couple of shows. Ago can
Speaker 6: play all over the place. I think that's the steal
Speaker 6: for the Bucks. I thought he was going to go
Speaker 6: to Philadelphia if they didn't go cornerback.
Speaker 5: Light's been think you good remaking their offensive line, and
Speaker 5: the picks don't always look good like the first year,
Speaker 5: Like Gadeki didn't look great the first year, and then
Speaker 5: it looks pretty good a year or two later.
Speaker 2: He's done a nice job.
Speaker 4: The Ravens take Nate Wiggins, the cornerback at at Clemson.
Speaker 4: The Niners take Ricky Piersall, the wide receiver out of Florida.
Speaker 4: That sounds very spicy potentially in that offense, and you know,
Speaker 4: more questions about what's the future in that wide receiver
Speaker 4: room because you're just adding another big time player or
Speaker 4: a first round pick, and you already have Deebo Samuel
Speaker 4: there still obviously Brandon Aiyuk there, there's still room for
Speaker 4: them all.
Speaker 2: Greg you but just keep an eye on and the Panthers.
Speaker 4: Then they have the first pick of the second round,
Speaker 4: but they say, no, we want to get into the
Speaker 4: first round, so they trade with the Bills. You trade
Speaker 4: out of the first round entirely, and they take Xavier
Speaker 4: Loget wide receiver out of South Carolina, the final wide
Speaker 4: receiver taken tons of wide receivers seven in the first round.
Speaker 2: Thoughts well, the purece all pick.
Speaker 5: I was really keeping an eye on when that went
Speaker 5: on the board, because earlier in the day Tom Currn
Speaker 5: put out there on one of his shows just just
Speaker 5: talking that the Patriots have been working on an Ayuk trade.
Speaker 5: That yea, it's not definitive, but when the forty nine
Speaker 5: ers get on the board, keep an eye. If they
Speaker 5: take a wide receiver, then we might be talking a
Speaker 5: lot on Friday, whether the Patriots end up trading that
Speaker 5: number thirty four overall pick they have the number two
Speaker 5: pick in the second round as part of a brand
Speaker 5: in AYUK trade.
Speaker 2: John Lynch, you know, laughed it off a little bit.
Speaker 5: They asked him about a press conference Thursday night, seeing
Speaker 5: why are we always the ones that you know, people
Speaker 5: are talking about with trades, which is not a denial,
Speaker 5: and it wasn't as specific, but Mike Silver and Diani
Speaker 5: Rassini separately reported on Thursday that the forty nine ers
Speaker 5: had been offering Ayuk and or Deebo Samuel in different trades.
Speaker 5: They said, maybe trying to get way up in the draft,
Speaker 5: like trying to get to the top ten. That clearly
Speaker 5: didn't happen. That was before the draft, but it really
Speaker 5: makes it sound like they're open to trading. I mean, man,
Speaker 5: if the Patriots could get that.
Speaker 6: Do that, I thought that it certainly seems strong they
Speaker 6: were trying to get up into the first round to
Speaker 6: make a move to get a different type of wide
Speaker 6: receiver somewhere else if they're gonna trade one of those guys.
Speaker 6: But throwing debo in there, that kind of threw me
Speaker 6: for a loop that they're both available. I don't think
Speaker 6: they're both available, but right one on the other.
Speaker 5: Out they're available. That is that is pretty wild, and
Speaker 5: that would be a salary cap is a real trade.
Speaker 5: If they traded Ayuk for the thirty second or the
Speaker 5: thirty fourth overall pick that they thought, uh whoever was
Speaker 5: on the board would be worth it. Pearsall's more of
Speaker 5: like a vertical slot guy. You know, got a let
Speaker 5: them pop from Harmon on our wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Sure he's also he's.
Speaker 6: A twenty four year old rookie, but I don't you know, again,
Speaker 6: get them for four years.
Speaker 5: So college football and now it's gonna kind of is
Speaker 5: so weird with the COVID year thing.
Speaker 2: Right, Right, you've got a lot of older rookies.
Speaker 5: Jade and Daniels was once throwing to Ricky pearsaw right
Speaker 5: at Arizona State. Okay, that's not that crazy. Sure in
Speaker 5: Brandon Ayuk, it's like what branded Ayuk's been in the NFL.
Speaker 5: It feels like for a long time Jade and Daniels
Speaker 5: was throwing to I don't know.
Speaker 2: What's what's going And also Steve Steve Smith senior, he
Speaker 2: threw to him too.
Speaker 5: And none of them on the team that you associate
Speaker 5: them with. It was Herman Edwards Arizona State team.
Speaker 4: All right, there you go, that's the first thirty two.
Speaker 4: Why don't we check in Mark. You had your Mox
Speaker 4: Sessler Mark draft. What were the results? Let's bring it up.
Speaker 2: What do we got here?
Speaker 4: All right, so you're going three for three out of
Speaker 4: the gate, I think pretty much everybody did, uh, where
Speaker 4: do you got bow knicks to the Broncos? Nice?
Speaker 2: You had him at twenty seven. Just for everyone listening,
Speaker 2: we also have and he went, well, I believe, but
Speaker 2: we're giving you that obviously, and neighbors Giants, Moleak, neighbors
Speaker 2: to the New York And also we got the Saints.
Speaker 2: Pick there, Oh you got Talise four. I got to
Speaker 2: the Saint that's one nice but overall, hum drum, let's
Speaker 2: be honest, sort of a failure. So you got not
Speaker 2: up to my one, two three? You got five out
Speaker 2: of thirty two? Is that quick? Six? Because you got
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy. It was later put that counts one two, three.
Speaker 6: Four, five six seven. I see what you guys are
Speaker 6: trying to do. Seven four plus one plus one plus
Speaker 6: one is seven seven. Wait, I don't I still don't
Speaker 6: see the seven because you're colorblind.
Speaker 2: I'm not making fun of you. You told us.
Speaker 6: But the one in the middle, the Saints one, it
Speaker 6: looks like the other ones because it's Saints colors. But
Speaker 6: it's like I got that the four or then the
Speaker 6: Giants that's five. Then in the middle column, okay, that's
Speaker 6: the Saints.
Speaker 4: That's number six and the or bright orange broncos Bone
Speaker 4: next to seven This is great Part.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five. Can we keep in mind that one
Speaker 2: of the hosts color that was not tough. It's just
Speaker 2: a tough addition.
Speaker 4: So seven out of thirty two, I feel like that's
Speaker 4: that's probably around industry average, I would guess.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think some stuff, you know, I had
Speaker 2: also for the show, and it's not if you if
Speaker 2: I had to, like, you know, with a gun in
Speaker 2: my head, I had like eighteen trades in the first round,
Speaker 2: and a lot of that stuff just did not have I.
Speaker 7: Thought Mark was going to sneak in one with Buffalo
Speaker 7: with Mitchell in the last couple of picks. I thought
Speaker 7: I was going to sneak in one more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Bills are like, we're We're determined to
Speaker 2: win six games. They ruined. They ruined my niece's night.
Speaker 7: She watched the draft for the first time, a new
Speaker 7: Buffalo fan or new to understand what's going on.
Speaker 4: Well, they're giving her a heads up of what to
Speaker 4: expect over the next eighty All Night got a video
Speaker 4: taped it Wednesday.
Speaker 5: It's pretty you know, relatively early on. There's some you know,
Speaker 5: last minute reporting that you probably would have changed them.
Speaker 4: It's kind of cheating the people that put out the
Speaker 4: mock draft after the last second report.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I refuse to do that. I don't see
Speaker 2: a lot of And you.
Speaker 4: Know what, you absolutely destroyed my son, Walker Rosenthal.
Speaker 2: I mean, like on the tennis courts had children.
Speaker 3: I wasn't.
Speaker 2: That was my main goal.
Speaker 5: But he, you know, it kind of chicken scratches. I
Speaker 5: love that he's so committed to his mock draft. He
Speaker 5: would not let me take it in or even write
Speaker 5: on it, but I did take a picture and highlight
Speaker 5: he got two picks right.
Speaker 2: He got Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison right, and that's it. Now.
Speaker 2: He made this two weeks ago, so that that was especial. Wait,
Speaker 2: he should have done a two point zero. He didn't.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to surprise. He loves this stuff. Well
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 5: He was doing mock draft simulators just on like websites
Speaker 5: over and over repeatedly.
Speaker 2: But that was his one. Not a lot of nine
Speaker 2: year olds are getting any of these rights.
Speaker 4: So maybe this I think you can and I'm sure
Speaker 4: you did let him know because he did disappoint you,
Speaker 4: I know, but that doing a final mock draft two
Speaker 4: weeks before is okay, way behind the eight ball.
Speaker 2: That's a good point when when your your competitor did
Speaker 2: it the day before the draft.
Speaker 5: I I admired tonight. He was taking notes and he
Speaker 5: was writing all the picks as they were happening.
Speaker 2: With He loves it, he is. I enjoyed it. A
Speaker 2: certified young super fit. That's what the NFL craves. They
Speaker 2: you are craving what he's offering.
Speaker 4: All right, we hope you craved what we had to
Speaker 4: offer on today's episode. We will be back on Saturday.
Speaker 4: So Friday, we're gonna let it all soak in round
Speaker 4: two and three, and then Saturday four, five, six, seven,
Speaker 4: we will be recording that afternoon here from Los Angeles
Speaker 4: and have something up for you shortly after the draft
Speaker 4: wraps up.
Speaker 2: And that's it. That's it. That's a good that's a
Speaker 2: good rundown of round one. I feel like we did.
Speaker 2: I agree we needed to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, someone's got to take our guy Cooper to Jean
Speaker 4: whatever happened to him.
Speaker 2: He's going tomorrow Hill Tomorrow. He the call