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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Shocking close Circuit TV reveals

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Speaker 1: the beauty queen Kata suspect stalking his first victim. That

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Speaker 1: is his first victim that we know of. As you know,

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Speaker 1: the Penn State grad slash beauty queen has gone missing

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Speaker 1: from her workplace where she worked at a ritzy living

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Speaker 1: assisted home. You're gonna hear a lot tonight. The car

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Speaker 1: has been found in the last hours. That gold Toyota

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Speaker 1: camery driven by suspect Kean King has been found and

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Speaker 1: the search leaves us to an abandoned middle school, the

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Speaker 1: Ada Lewis Middle School, joining us live tonight. An investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter on the story from the beginning CBS is Joe

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Speaker 1: and I mean to see Grace. This is Crime Stories,

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Speaker 1: and I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Where is Kada? You know she had the overnight shift.

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Speaker 1: She just collected in and it suddenly believes she had

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Speaker 1: never done anything like that before. Where is Kada? Guys?

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Speaker 1: So much happening in the search for Kada Scott, the

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Speaker 1: Miss USA hopeful who represented her area. Not only is

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Speaker 1: she beauty, she's brains. Could she think her way out

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Speaker 1: of this kidnapping? According to l E Law enforcement. They

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Speaker 1: say they believe she could still be alive, and that

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Speaker 1: is why tonight's broadcast is so important. Let me give

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Speaker 1: you the tip line right now. It's two one five

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Speaker 1: at her? Is she still alive? Can we bring her

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Speaker 1: home to her parents? Her dad now putting up a

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Speaker 1: ten thousand dollar reward in connection to evidence leading to

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Speaker 1: her whereabouts. First of all, I hardly know where to start.

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Speaker 1: Creeper's chavalance video emerges of him stalking. We think his

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Speaker 1: first victim could have been his fifth victim for all

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Speaker 1: I know. But first of all, want to tell you

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Speaker 1: about the car. This has been the focus of the

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Speaker 1: search of LA law enforcement since she went missing. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a look at the recovery of the car. As

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Speaker 1: you know, guys, this is for our friends at six

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Speaker 1: ABC Philly. In this it looks a little silver, it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's actually gold with heavily tinted windows. An anonymous tip

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Speaker 1: leads police to this. It's a treasure trove of evidence.

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Speaker 1: If law enforcement believing that Kada was in this car,

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Speaker 1: God forbid, we find blood. I do not want to

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Speaker 1: find blood. I'm happy to find fingerprints. I'm happy to

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Speaker 1: find any other belongings of hers. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: find her torn clothes or blood in that car. I

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Speaker 1: want to quickly go to what we are learning about,

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Speaker 1: not only the car, but physical evidence. Guys. In addition

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Speaker 1: to physical evidence that is mounting, we have obtained CCTV

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Speaker 1: closed circuit TV. It looks like a ring camera of

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Speaker 1: the defendant. We told you about a prior attack where

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Speaker 1: he strangled another woman, another woman who we've been told

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Speaker 1: looks very similar to Kada. That's what we call in

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Speaker 1: the law a similar transaction, and it can be admitted

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Speaker 1: before a jury after emotion in lemit a hearing outside

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Speaker 1: the jury presence, if the judge rules your way, because

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Speaker 1: while he wouldn't be being tried for that, it can

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Speaker 1: show motive, course of conduct, frame of mind. Now, how

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Speaker 1: would you like to see this? At your back door window?

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Speaker 1: Take a look, go away.

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Speaker 2: Don't come over here, kidd a quart cups?

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm?

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Speaker 1: Is all these kidding here? Caught of cops? Keep coming

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Speaker 1: around the window.

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Speaker 3: Go that way, camera, Yeah, go away, bye go way, bye,

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Speaker 3: yep bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Ken I know here. That is where I'm at as

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Speaker 1: for or lsec on TikTok. Just so you know, he

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Speaker 1: did not go away. Kean King, that's him, goes to

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Speaker 1: every door and every window of that female victim's home.

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Speaker 1: is he jumped over the fence to get to her.

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Speaker 1: He ain't coming to the front door with candy and roses.

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Speaker 1: He's jumping the fence and look, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: see that out my window. First thing in the morning.

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Speaker 1: He's going door to door. And what breaks my heart

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Speaker 1: is you hear look at that. There's children, there's toys.

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Speaker 1: She has children in there, and she's saying, call the cops,

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Speaker 1: Call the cops, Call the cops. She knows to be afraid.

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Speaker 1: When my husband has been locked out and I go

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Speaker 1: This woman is afraid. Don't come over here, Cameron, call

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Speaker 1: guy will do. And that tells me and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Veteran defense attorney Derek Smith joining us is going to disagree,

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Speaker 1: But that tells me this is not the first time.

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Speaker 1: Why is she so afraid? Why is she afraid? Derek Smith,

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Speaker 1: first I'm going to go to Joe Holden. Joe Holden,

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Speaker 1: she investigative reporter and anchor CBS neiece Philly. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for waiting, Joe, because I know you're dying to get

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Speaker 1: back out into the field right now. Did you see

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Speaker 1: the video?

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Speaker 2: There's something so off about that video.

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Speaker 4: In fact, we tracked down that house just yesterday on

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Speaker 4: the streets in North Philadelphia. What is that stats? What

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Speaker 4: is that body language? What is happening is eyes come

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Speaker 4: are actually quite terrifying. We know a lot about his

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Speaker 4: alleged prior bad acts. At this point, he assaulted the

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Speaker 4: same victim in this incident here. We believe this to

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Speaker 4: be January. He assaulted the same woman in November. We

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Speaker 4: were able to uncover traces of charges. Now those charges

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Speaker 4: something about clean slate business.

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Speaker 2: But this happens in November.

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Speaker 1: Yahoo, WHOA, whoa, Joe Holden, what did you just say

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Speaker 1: about a clean slate?

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Speaker 4: So we can't get at the charges that were leveled

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Speaker 4: against this guy, Kean King back in December of twenty

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Speaker 4: January of twenty twenty five. The case brought in April

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Speaker 2: In May of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Guess why we can see these records now, Nancy, because

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Speaker 4: the District Attorney's office has refiled the charges in light

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Speaker 4: of their ongoing kidnapping prosecution now and search for Kata Scott.

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Speaker 4: So it's like the toothpaste is getting squeezed back into

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Speaker 4: way to describe their actions. And the clean slate law

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Speaker 4: has prohibited our ability to see some of the charges.

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Speaker 2: But because okay, that.

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Speaker 1: Is so wrong, that is so wrong. Why should you

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Speaker 1: get he has been stalking these young women hiding behind

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Speaker 1: issued a comment on social media saying, I hope they

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Speaker 1: put you basically under the jail after all you've done,

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Speaker 1: after all the the hurt youth. Cause I'm gonna pull

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Speaker 1: it up for you just a moment. But that tells

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Speaker 1: me while don't show me Derek Smith yet. While Derek

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Speaker 1: Smith is not gonna like it that there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of similar transactions, that's certainly putting perfume on the

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Speaker 1: are rejoicing he is behind bars for kidnapping Cada. Why

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Speaker 1: because he has got a history of violating, tormenting, stalking, torturing,

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Speaker 1: scaring women. I want to look at that video. Oh yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: not him. I want to look at that video because

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Speaker 1: I want to know what can it prove? What is

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Speaker 1: the probative value one A six foot fence is not

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Speaker 1: going to stop him. A jump drive over like Spider

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Speaker 1: Man and here he comes looking you know, that's a

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Speaker 1: good way to get shot right there. But he's not afraid.

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Speaker 1: He knows Shu's inside A woman and little children, so hey,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if somebody told me when I went to

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Speaker 1: see nothing but tail hole and elbows. I'm out. But

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Speaker 1: nothing is stopping him, not a fence, not a locked door,

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Speaker 1: not a closed window. If Kata Scott was in that car,

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Speaker 1: else we can learn. Did she actually go to that

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Speaker 1: long time colleague and dare I say friend, Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 1: She is a forensic expert. She is the director of

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Speaker 1: the Cold Case Investigative Research Foundation, and she is the

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Speaker 1: star of a hit podcast series which I have often

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Speaker 1: put on loop and listened to her Zone seven. Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: I will very quickly remind you of the first time

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Speaker 1: even was. That said, did you see this video? The

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Speaker 5: What about him, McCollum, You already said it beautifully. This

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Speaker 5: is a pattern. He is not deterred when he is spotted.

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Speaker 5: He's not deterred when he sees children. He's not deterred

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Speaker 5: when he knows the police are on the way. This

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Speaker 5: not more victims in his twenty one years you're going

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Speaker 5: to see a clear and distinct pattern of him stalking

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Derek Smith. You know, Derek,

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Speaker 1: when our same group joining us tonight were together last

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Speaker 1: forty eight hours ago, guys us from at S four

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Speaker 1: he attacked a woman outside her home, got forced her

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Speaker 1: the car. The reason I brought that up last time,

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Speaker 1: Derek Smith, is because it was eerily, chillingly similar to

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Speaker 1: what we think happened to Kita, our brilliant beauty queen.

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Speaker 1: People have been writing, why are you talking about beauty queen? Well,

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Speaker 1: because she's beautiful on the outside and the inside, and

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Speaker 1: a scholar had graduated with very high grades from Penn State.

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Speaker 1: Her world in front of her. So, Derek Smith, now

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Speaker 1: we're learning about not one, but two priors. You heard

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Speaker 1: Joe Holdens say we can't even get the whole record

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Speaker 1: because of some clean slate policy. So who knows what

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Speaker 6: What about it, Smith, Well, Nancy, you mentioned these alleged

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Speaker 7: Was he convicted of.

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Speaker 6: These crimes at all? Because if not, they're just merely allegations.

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Speaker 6: And then watching his video of him jumping the fence, Okay,

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Speaker 7: Why was he there?

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Speaker 7: Let's get to another aspect of this.

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Speaker 6: I mean you prosecuted domestic violence and stalking type cases before.

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, hey, hey, hey Smith, I'm not a speed bomp.

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Speaker 7: Did that look like she was very afraid?

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Speaker 1: She's following him from window to window making sure. Look

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Speaker 6: You called me over here, you need my help, and

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Speaker 1: She filed a criminal complaint against.

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Speaker 1: She became afraid and with Drew. You know what, you

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Speaker 1: give him respect, Derek Smith. He's won a lot of cases,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of unknowns as far

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Speaker 1: To utter utters? Can you to utter? I need you

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Speaker 8: He's taunting? I mean, this is a pattern of behavior.

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Speaker 8: This is what we see with people that demonstrate predatory behavior.

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Speaker 8: You can see that they are afraid because they're asking

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Speaker 1: At S four LCC on TikTok Joe hold and joining

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Speaker 1: US chief investigative reporter and anchor CBS News Philly, who

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jerry len Utter was just saying that the thrill.

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Speaker 1: That time I was scaring someone.

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Speaker 2: Here's the document, right, you don't really see it, but he.

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Speaker 4: Was there at twelve thirty that morning, January thirteenth of

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Speaker 2: He makes a whole ruckus in that backyard.

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Speaker 4: And then same day, three point thirty in the afternoon,

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Speaker 1: S fourlcc tic time, we know her.

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Speaker 2: Phone goes dead. It has not been on since. She

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Speaker 4: This sparkly beautiful twenty three year old woman, This.

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Speaker 1: Girl has just turned twenty three. She's a little baby tonight.

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Speaker 1: Where is Kada? There is a ten thousand dollar reward

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Speaker 9: Hours after Philadelphia PD ask for help locating King's Toyota,

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Speaker 9: Officers descend on the community where King's family lives, coording

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Speaker 10: Truly, after arriving out of here, we're located some physical

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Speaker 1: A lot of that from our friends at CBS Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: I understand that an anonymous tip came in not only

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Speaker 4: And you know what, we were at the arboretum the

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Speaker 4: Once again, the middle school sitting yards away from Aubury Arboretum.

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Speaker 1: Guys, this video from our friends at six ABC Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: But I want to save my control room. Could please

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Speaker 1: Middle School and it's heyday and we got this off

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Speaker 2: And see a lot of area cover where Nick Burley said.

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Speaker 11: The abandoned middle school where Philadelphia Police recovered physical evidence

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Speaker 1: That video from CBS Philadelphia. I want to go back

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Speaker 1: their hats if they've got chevrons on their sleeves or

436
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: leafs on their collar. Him. What of Kada's Scott's belongings

437
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: were found and there, Joe Holden.

438
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: So we know that they are very personal in nature.

439
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 4: In fact, would not be partying with these things unless

440
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 4: she was in some serious trouble police not specifying exactly what,

441
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 4: but reading between the lines, perhaps something involving her cell phone,

442
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 4: perhaps something involving a bank card or something connected to that.

443
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: That is Kate.

444
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: Do you is it a I've got a question, Sidney Sumner,

445
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Sidney, you and I were discussing

446
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: was it a cell phone case? Have we gotten that?

447
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 12: Unofficially yes, sorciers are saying that it was her cell

448
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 12: phone case and Keita's debit card in cell phone case.

449
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: So Joe Holden, that fits in with what you're hearing,

450
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: a cell phone case and a debit card. And I

451
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: want to go to Brian Fitzgibbons joining us He is

452
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Speaker 1: Director of Operations at USPA Nationwide Security and what he

453
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: does there as director is. He leads a team of

454
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: expert investigators to find missing people all around the world

455
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: at USPA Security dot Com. Brian Hell would freeze over

456
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: before either one of my twins would part with their

457
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: cell phone. Do you know how much time my daughter

458
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: spends finding the right cell phone case? My son just

459
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: gets a black or a navy one? Is over No,

460
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: because have you seen go with me on this for

461
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: a moment, Fitzgibbons chauffit is Gibbons in case he hasn't

462
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: seen it. Kaita like getting all dressed up and doing

463
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: her fashion videos, which, by the way, people are attacking

464
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: her online for and I don't get it. She was

465
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: such a star in these videos. She loves getting dressed up,

466
00:28:55,040 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: matching her necklace to her purse and her shoes. She's

467
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: a glamor girl, you know, Ryan Fitzkimms. This is where

468
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm going that she had a special phone case. Why

469
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: is her phone case on the floor of the defunct

470
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: condemned Ada Lewis Middle School building.

471
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Speaker 13: I suspect Nancy that king ditched that cell phone case

472
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 13: there and then went on to sell the phone. And

473
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 13: I think that that will be something that comes out

474
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 13: in this investigation that he could have kept the phone

475
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 13: to sell it and wanted to get rid of the case,

476
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 13: which would have been easily identifiable. You know, I think

477
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 13: you can actually see the case there with a lot

478
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 13: of you know, it's bedazzled on the outside. We don't

479
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 13: know if that's the same case that she had at

480
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 13: the time of her disappearance, but the case would be

481
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 13: easily recognized, so that for King to do.

482
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Speaker 1: Now, I'm understanding that Sydney, some of the items were

483
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: found outside that condemned building, right, so.

484
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Speaker 12: We don't believe police are saying they don't believe that

485
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 12: Scott or King made it inside the building. Police had

486
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 12: to request access themselves to get in, so this building

487
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 12: was likely well secured. So these items were found outside

488
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 12: the building. That's what police are telling us, you know.

489
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Speaker 1: To Cheryl McCollum, joining US, director and founder of the

490
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute and star of Zone seven hit podcast, Cheryl,

491
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: the last time, I mean you and I have covered well,

492
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: we didn't cover them, we investigated them. It's hard for

493
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: me to think I'm looking at Kata right now, Cheryl,

494
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can see your monitor, It's

495
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: hard for me to imagine her at this condemned building.

496
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: But Cheryl, you and I investigated a lot of cases.

497
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: Whenever I hear abandoned building in connection to a case,

498
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: Cherlott brings back some really bad memories of cases you

499
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: and I investigated. Why is she at an abandoned building.

500
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 5: One hundred so criminals know where there are no people

501
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 5: and no cameras. So it's not a surprise to me

502
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 5: with his patterned background that he knew about this abandoned

503
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 5: school where he discarded her personal belongings. Her belongings that

504
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 5: are at that abandoned school. Does her bank card have

505
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 5: this fingerprint? Is his DNA on the phone case? Anything

506
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 5: that can tie him to those belongings is what law

507
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 5: enforcement is looking for now.

508
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 4: Keon King, he is charged with Kita's kidnapping.

509
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 6: Put some heat on him to question him as to

510
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 6: where Kita is. Find this girl?

511
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: Where was he? Where had he been? Is he keeping

512
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: her alive somewhere? Where is Kata? Tip line two on

513
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: five six eight six tips repeat two and five six

514
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: eight six eight four seven seven l E law enforcement

515
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: insisting they believe she may still be alive. Where is she? Overnight?

516
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: We learn that not one but two cases of assault

517
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: on women that looks similar to Kata Scott that involve

518
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: his vehicle, and alleged strangulation have occurred. That's two that

519
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: we know of. Also the car found, But where, why there?

520
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: And what can we learn about the car? Straight back

521
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: out to chief investigative reporter and anchor CBS News Philadelphia,

522
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: Joe Holden, tell me about the car, and I'd like

523
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: to see the video of that aerial video of the vehicle.

524
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Joe, let me give you the timeline.

525
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 4: So police hold a press conference at ten thirty, ask

526
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 4: everyone to look for that car, and then by twelve

527
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 4: thirty they're back at that middle school that looks just

528
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: plain scary. And then at three ten in the afternoon,

529
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 4: So four hours after, four or five hours after their

530
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 4: press conference, someone says, I saw that car parked on

531
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: the four thousand block of Gypsy Lane, in a street

532
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 4: that essentially dead ends at Lincoln Drive. If you're familiar,

533
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: I know Nancy lived in Chestnut Hill for a time.

534
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 4: Someone had to have their eyes open.

535
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 2: They saw it. They called Philadelphia Police.

536
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: Phildelphia police leave Ada Lewis Middle School and rush over

537
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 4: to the four thousand block of Gypsy Lane where the

538
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 4: car is parked. There is obviously, as you've said, a

539
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 4: potential wealth of evidence in that car. My investigative sources

540
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 4: say they are looking for DNA inside the car and

541
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: inside the truck.

542
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know another thing that

543
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: happened overnight. Joe Holden joining us from CBS. Philly prosecutors

544
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: say that they made a quote mistake by not following

545
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: through with the earlier charges. Well, that's a day late

546
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: and a dollar short. They tried to blame it on

547
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: the victim for an FTA failure to appear. When a

548
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: woman doesn't show up in a domestic, okay, this is

549
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: what you do. Back me up on this, doctor Jerlyn

550
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: Utter joining us, Doctor Utter, when a woman doesn't show

551
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: up on an FTA and a domestic, you go find

552
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: her because in my experience, by the time I got them,

553
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: of course, they weren't just a slap or pushing somebody over.

554
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: They were full on felony, if not a murder. You

555
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: go find them, and you prosecute that case, and you

556
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 1: make it clear to the defendant she wants to drop charges,

557
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: don't take it out on her. I'm prosecuting you. Sob

558
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: That's usually the way I would handle it, and it worked,

559
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: but they didn't. So now they're kind of saying like,

560
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: she didn't come to court, so we dropped it. No,

561
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: go get her.

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00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 8: I mean, go get her for sure, Nancy. But the

563
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 8: other thing too. I mean, this is obviously a victim

564
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 8: of a serious crime. She was hurt by this man.

565
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 8: She's afraid of this man, so it does make sense.

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00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 8: I mean victims, they become afraid.

567
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: Right, afraid of retaliation. Cheryl McCollum. Hold on, let me

568
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: pick up right there from what doctor Utter just said.

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00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I want to get back to the car

570
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: and off the victims shaming aspect. This car could be

571
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: a treasure trove. We're also learning in addition to her

572
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: debit card and phone case, so we've heard rumors that

573
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: an ipay case in Kata's glasses were found in that

574
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: abandoned school. Now connection it's near the arboretum. But to

575
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: the car, somebody let him into the parking lot. You

576
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: have to be allowed in. This is near where his

577
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: family lives. Go ahead, what can we learn from the car.

578
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: There's two categories.

579
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 5: I'm looking at Nancy in that vehicle. The first one,

580
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 5: anything that I can tie the victim to. Can I

581
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 5: put that victim in that vehicle. I'm looking for blood, hair, fingerprints,

582
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 5: anything that belongs to the victim, clothing, if there was

583
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 5: a struggle, did a shoe come off, anything, an earring.

584
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 5: The second category is going to be something that was

585
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 5: used in the commission of that crime. Is there a

586
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,479
Speaker 5: weapon or there restraints, notes, drawings, a hotel room key,

587
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 5: a receipt, did he buy food for the two of them,

588
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 5: anything where I can say, hey, this is unusual. One

589
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 5: of the best things we have right now is he

590
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 5: has not reported that car stolen.

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00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 7: Oh.

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00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: Yes, just like in the case of Celeste in D

593
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: four v. D aka David Anthony Burke, who never reported

594
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: his Tesla stolen or missing, and then Celeste's body was

595
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: in the trunk. Yes, that raises a red flag. The

596
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: car wasn't stolen. He didn't report it stolen. Cheryl McCallum,

597
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: have you ever watched if you don't do it yourself,

598
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: have you ever watched somebody change your oil in your vehicle? Yes? No, yes, Okay.

599
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: They will take this car, this Toyota Camery, and they

600
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: will put it up like they're changing the oil and

601
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: they're going to look hundred for blood. Just like in

602
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: the case of Nicky Chen they found the undercarriage of

603
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: her truck saturated in blood, but you have to put

604
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: it up and look. They're going to get soil off

605
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: the tires. Will it help Maybe not, because that car

606
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: has been many miles since Katea went missing. They're going

607
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: to go through it with a vack, a VAC that

608
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: is relatively a new technique to pull up DNA invisible

609
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: to the naked eye, over the carpet, over the floor mats,

610
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: over the seats. It can pull up DNA that you

611
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: can't see, such as blood. You might see that. They're

612
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: going to look for sweat. Let me remind you of

613
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: the case of Teresa Holback, the photographer who was last

614
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: seen at the home of killer Steven Avery. When they

615
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: found her car hidden at the back of a salvage lot.

616
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: It had his sweat DNA over the ignition where he

617
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: was sweating trying to crank her car up to go

618
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: hide it. He's convicted. They're going to let for sweat, blood,

619
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: hair fibers. Then they're going to illuminoll the whole thing

620
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: looking for iron oxide that shows up under an ultraviolet

621
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: luminol light, Fingerprints, clothing, anything, a shee, a shoe, lice,

622
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: a bracelet, a ring, a hairclip. That's what's happening in

623
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: that car right now. Agree or disagree? Pasgibbers.

624
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 13: Absolutely agree, Nancy, and you know you brought up Nikki

625
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 13: Chang Sale McCain. Let's hope that this investigation is done

626
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 13: meticulously because as we know, and we hope and pray

627
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 13: that Cada.

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00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: Is found alive.

629
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Speaker 13: But we want to make sure that if there needs

630
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 13: to be a prosecution for a homicide, that this is

631
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 13: done correctly.

632
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: Right now, plays, don't put the car before the horse.

633
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: Let's try to find her alive. Imagine my shock late

634
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: last night when I was reading comments online looking for

635
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: any information about Kata and I saw this. These young

636
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: girls and women need to stop doing these things, exposing

637
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: themselves to evil, modeling, pagets, cheerleading, any social media. Okay,

638
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: so I guess that's what I was doing as a

639
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: high school cheerleader when I didn't make the basketball team.

640
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: Are they crazy? I read another one that says I

641
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: tried to watch crime stories, but I had to stop

642
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: at thirteen thirty seven. I was tired of watching Kada

643
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: Scott prancing around. I don't understand that two special guests

644
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: joining us. Joe Holden, Chief investigative reporter and anchor, CBS

645
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: News Philly. The degree of victim blaming is intense. And

646
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: you know what, it's just like this. I want to

647
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: see Joe, but I want to see Cada prancing. She's gorgeous,

648
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: she's twenty three. She's a baby girl playing in makeup.

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Speaker 1: She just turned twenty three. All right, that is happening, Joe.

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Speaker 1: How did she turn into the bad person.

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Speaker 2: He is not?

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Speaker 4: And you know what, let me give you some hope

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Speaker 4: for at least the corner of our world.

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Speaker 2: Here in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: I have an entire city I'm aware of looking for

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Speaker 4: any sign of this girl. So let the haters live

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Speaker 4: online and in social media. But there is a five

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Speaker 4: thousand and six thousand member Philadelphia Police Department, at District

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Speaker 4: Attorney's office, and people like me and you looking out

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Speaker 4: and trying to get to the bottom of this really

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Speaker 4: nauseating mystery.

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Speaker 1: Derek Smith, veteran trial lawyer, won a lot of cases

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Speaker 1: at d devismith Legal dot com. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear it, but we have to hear it. If this

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Speaker 1: case goes to trial, Derek, you know what you're going

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Speaker 1: to do? What will the defense to do, because the

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Speaker 1: state's got to be ready not just with their case,

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Speaker 1: but to destroy the defense case. So where would you

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Speaker 1: go on.

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Speaker 7: This well, I mean on the defense side of things.

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Speaker 6: If there's no physical evidence, if they don't find anything

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Speaker 6: outside that school, if they don't find anything inside the car,

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Speaker 6: how are they really going to connect the victim to

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Speaker 6: the alleged perpetrator.

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Speaker 7: I mean, they have that other.

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Speaker 6: Video and you said, like transactions, similar alleged events that

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Speaker 6: he's done with other similar victims, but again never convicted

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Speaker 6: of any of these things. It's just speculation at this point.

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Speaker 6: So I mean, they're going to really have to do,

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Speaker 6: like one of our other panelists said, a very particulous

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Speaker 6: search of this vehicle, do anything they can to try

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Speaker 6: to find evidence, whether it's you know, like you said,

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Speaker 6: the blood, the sweat, anything to connect the two of

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Speaker 6: them in this gold Corolla being together. Because without any

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Speaker 6: physical evidence, we're just looking at circumstantial evidence and that's

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Speaker 6: not going to be enough.

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Speaker 1: How can there be hatred for this girl who is missing?

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Speaker 1: All things bright and beautiful. That is Kata Scott, god

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Speaker 1: willing Phillip d brings her home alive again. The tip

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Speaker 1: line two one five, six eight six tips two one

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Speaker 1: five six, eight six eight four seven seven. Tonight we

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Speaker 1: remember American heroes, people that put their lives on the

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Speaker 1: line to come forward. If prosecutors had gone and gotten

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Speaker 1: the first two victims and they had testified without fear,

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Speaker 1: maybe Kada would be alive today joining us tonight detailing

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Speaker 1: how she outsmarted her kidnapper. That did not happen, But tonight,

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Speaker 1: I want to honor all the stalking, the battery, the beating,

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Speaker 1: the rape victims that do come forward, even if they're

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Speaker 1: afraid win or lose. We saw what happened in the

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Speaker 1: Seawan Combs case. A win is not guaranteed, but they

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Speaker 1: fight the good fight tonight. They are our heroes. Please

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Speaker 1: join us in prayer for the safe return of this girl,

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Speaker 1: Bright and beautiful Kata Scott. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,