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Speaker 1: Flash, what's up? It's way up for angela Ye, and

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Speaker 1: what an honor to have Shariza Jackson here with me today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: You know on Netflix right now, there's a series called

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Speaker 1: Love con Revenge and your story is featured on that series. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm glad that you're joining us today to

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Speaker 1: talk about what happened to you because this is a

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Speaker 1: situation where you were conned out of almost two million dollars, right,

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Speaker 1: and nothing has happened to this man that And do

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Speaker 1: we have to say allegedly or can we how does

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Speaker 1: that work? I just want to make sure I'm doing

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Speaker 1: the right LINGO.

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Speaker 2: We can still say allegedly. Okay, and we could say allegedly,

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Speaker 2: but the thing is, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what happened. I'll say allegedly. You can say this

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Speaker 1: is what happened, right, all right, So allegedly Kanju. And

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Speaker 1: you are a very intelligent woman, Fortune five hundred company

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Speaker 1: best selling author, you know, doing the right thing, helping

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Speaker 1: your man out, so you thought at the time. So

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Speaker 1: just talk to me about who Sharisa Jackson is even

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Speaker 1: before this man Dorian came into your life.

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Speaker 2: Again, Schariza Jackson Schreisa j has always been just a

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Speaker 2: condhearted person, right. I grew up in an urban city,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the city, had my daughter's young took

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Speaker 2: care of my girls by myself, went to college, finished school,

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Speaker 2: did everything that I needed to do. I was a

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Speaker 2: team mom. Started working for a fortune five hundred company, traveled,

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Speaker 2: wrote books, public speaking, just doing my thing, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: just minding my business, taking care of my girls. It's

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Speaker 2: always been me and my girls, right, and very successful.

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Speaker 2: You know. I owned my own home, had everything going

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Speaker 2: for myself, Okay, and I guess I was targeted, all right.

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Speaker 1: So the way that this happened, the man that you

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Speaker 1: connected with, you actually went to high school with him.

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Speaker 2: Well, he was a senior when I was a freshman.

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Speaker 1: But did you guys know each other?

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Speaker 2: They knew each other, but knew we didn't know each

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Speaker 1: But they're still so type of like familiarity, and you're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: So how did he approach you on Facebook? Because you

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Speaker 1: say you feel like you were targeted, Well, I mean.

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Speaker 2: He approached me as any other person would you know,

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Speaker 2: he reached out. He was just like, hey, I like

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Speaker 2: to have lunch at you when I come down there.

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Speaker 2: He's told me he was living in Florida. I mean

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Speaker 2: he was living in Georgia at the time. And he

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Speaker 2: finished his message with when you have a minute, put

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Speaker 2: me in it, and then he put doctor Wilkerson.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's a doctor.

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, all right, you know, and I

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Speaker 2: was like, okay, I'll let you know. But then, you know,

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Speaker 2: years passed by. We really he had reached out to

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Speaker 2: me since like two thousand and nine. We really didn't

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Speaker 2: connect until twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so he came out to see you or he

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Speaker 1: was saying he was in town or how did.

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Speaker 2: I actually went up there for a business trip? Okay,

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Speaker 2: and I told him, hey, I'd be in town. You know,

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Speaker 2: because honestly, I'm so over Angela. It's like, it's sad

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Speaker 2: when you think about it. But he picked me up

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Speaker 2: in this very nice Bentley from my hotel. Okay, found

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Speaker 2: in this nice Bentley. Really, you know, Lavish took me

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Speaker 2: to his loft to change, came to pick me up

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Speaker 1: Because he's a doctor.

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Speaker 2: He's a doctor, he's a medical doctor. He's an MD.

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Speaker 2: He works for Emory Hospital. So he picked me up

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Speaker 2: A heart of gold. It seemed like. But when I

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Speaker 1: It also inspires other people who want to do the

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Speaker 1: But that's a shame sit reason because I don't want

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes we blame ourselves because you're like, man,

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Speaker 1: It's not anything that you did wrong. You're living your

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Speaker 2: And that's true. I appreciate that. I appreciate that because

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Speaker 2: why as black women we got to be humble? Right

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Speaker 2: While we always got to be humble, why can't we

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Speaker 1: Accountlishments doing the exact things that we're doing in the

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Speaker 2: just kind of took me back full circle to me

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Speaker 2: practicing what I preach, right, because I mean it's the truth.

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Speaker 2: We do dumb down ourselves and we don't want to

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Speaker 2: And do they listen. They're very intelligent. And I even

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Speaker 1: So were you posting him on social media?

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Speaker 1: See, that's the thing because if you would have right,

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Speaker 2: All right, so he moves to Florida. I didn't post

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Speaker 2: Even though there's no epidemiologists they work for the CDC

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Speaker 2: And then you're thinking, this person would not be all

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Speaker 1: Thinking, I don't somebody that was at high school? Right?

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Speaker 1: All right? So now fast forward. He starts he wants

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Speaker 2: So he basically, you know, we're getting we're getting married.

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Speaker 1: When he came to he was so he.

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Speaker 2: Moved in with you, moved into my home, moved.

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Speaker 1: Into your home. Was he investing money also into this business?

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Speaker 2: I was a shame Angela. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: So I can say that people did reach out to me,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you gained the trust of people, and he

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Speaker 1: Right because he was dating several women, right, So he

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Speaker 2: People gonna be upset come after you. They're going to

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Speaker 1: What did the police do when you because I have

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Speaker 2: So what can be accounted for is about one point

435
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 2: four when I go through all of my you know,

436
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 2: expenses and looking at everything, and then ended up having

437
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 2: to file bankruptcy because how in the hell am I

438
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 2: going to recover from that? And that's another thing, the

439
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 2: whole bankruptcy laws against black women. There's a whole study

440
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 2: with MIT that talks about how the disparities come to

441
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 2: women women of color that tried to file bankruptcy and

442
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 2: get their life back and rebuild. I'm a victim of

443
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 2: romance fraud. It's documented. So to give me a hard

444
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 2: time is very disheartening because I'm still going through that

445
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 2: prices on top of everything, on top of everything else.

446
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: So they had to shut down the medical center.

447
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah it was.

448
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 1: And so all that money that you cast out invested

449
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: in gone.

450
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 2: Gone right, everything gone. Lawsuits on top of lawsuits on

451
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 2: top of lawsuits.

452
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 1: And your name in those lawsuits too.

453
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 2: Wow, lawsuits on top of lawsuits, those came and it's

454
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 2: kind of like, how am I going to rebuild from this?

455
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 2: Like I have to move on. So, you know, unfortunately,

456
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 2: when we and this is a very important part of this,

457
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 2: because this should have been a red flag immediately when

458
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,919
Speaker 2: we went through the divorce, you know, there was a house,

459
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 2: and I end up saying, you know what, God has

460
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: so much more for me. I don't want to fight

461
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 2: get I was trying to be quiet. I tried to

462
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 2: have a very quiet divorce and just be done. But

463
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 2: of course when greed kicks in, greed kicks in. I said, listen,

464
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: just take half of the money from the house and

465
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 2: you can go, Like I just want to be done.

466
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 2: I told my attorney that I told his attorney, well,

467
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 2: you know, his attorney communicated with my attorney and that

468
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: was the deal. He had to sign a non prosecution

469
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: at for David if he wanted the money, and of

470
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: course Connor if they want the money. So he had

471
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: to sign a non prosecution at for David to drop

472
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 2: these bogus charges and he get the money. I dropped

473
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: my civil lawsuit because I literally Angelo. This was in

474
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, last year may. I said, I just

475
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 2: want to move on with my life. I just want

476
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,239
Speaker 2: to be done. You know, I'm in my soft girl era.

477
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that later, but yeah, I just want

478
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 2: to be done. Right. So I did what I was

479
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 2: supposed to do. They disbursed the money to him. He

480
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: went back to the state and told them after he

481
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 2: got the money that he didn't want to drop the charges.

482
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,239
Speaker 2: He wanted to pursue the charges. But he signed, and

483
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: he signed it. The case should have been over then.

484
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you already signed a paperwork and took.

485
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: Over a year for them to drop those charges to

486
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 2: see that he was a liar. This is wild, it's crazy.

487
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: And the thing is like literally and stress. He will

488
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: go in the court and this man can lie. So

489
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: the household that he grew up with, they are all deceased.

490
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 2: So his brother passed away, his stepdad and his mom,

491
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 2: they're all deceased. But his extended family they thought he

492
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: was a medical doctor as well. His extended family. Yeah,

493
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: his extended family. And one you know, said to me,

494
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 2: I thought he's Oh, I just thought he stopped practicing

495
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 2: because his mom got sick. I thought I always thought

496
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: he was a doctor.

497
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: She said, is really wild that he deceived so many people,

498
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: I think, but the fact that he had his whole family,

499
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: they weren't in on it. They just believed him, right,

500
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: he believed him.

501
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: They weren't in on it. They weren't in on it.

502
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: They believed him, and you know they will still, I guess,

503
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: support him whatever he's going through. I don't know. I

504
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: really don't care.

505
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: Is there a chance for him to still get arrested

506
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: or because now you're telling your story, right, and sometimes

507
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: when that happens, it does reopen cases or hope.

508
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: So because I'm not the only one that filed, you know,

509
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 2: complaints against him, he actually committed bankruptcy fraud. He I mean,

510
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,959
Speaker 2: like right now, in twenty fifteen, he said that he

511
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 2: was married to someone that he wasn't and filed bankruptcy

512
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: before we actually became married. We didn't get We got

513
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: married in twenty sixteen. So he had filed bankruptcy and

514
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: said he was married to someone that he wasn't, said

515
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: that he was. He put in the bankruptcy that he

516
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: was a medical doctor on the forms. They didn't catch that,

517
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 2: right because so think about.

518
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: It, look at you, the detective, and they're like, I'm

519
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: giving you this.

520
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: Telling you think about it, someone who has been doing

521
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 2: this for over twenty years. Like you, you in your field,

522
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: you've been doing it for how many years?

523
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: Twenty wow?

524
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: Twenty years years? He was so good. You've been doing

525
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: it for twenty years. So you're what we could say,

526
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: a subject matter expert. Right, So think about somebody who's

527
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,719
Speaker 2: been conning women. Every con gets better and easier. They

528
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: learn from their mistakes and they do it better the

529
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 2: next time.

530
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this is with Jennifer. The guy

531
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: that she dated was cunning people for like over twenty years. Also,

532
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: I told you he kind of his own family members,

533
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: so many different women. And you know what's wild is

534
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: that he even was with another woman while this is

535
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: all happening, and while she had a show on TV

536
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: about it, and she they reached out to the woman

537
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: and let her know, and he managed to convince her.

538
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: Even to this day you know that she was lying.

539
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, and not to mention on one of the sermons,

540
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: like his sermon that he has right now is pastor

541
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: doctor Dorian Wilkerson. He's saying that he's married again. He

542
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: said that, you know, I honor my wife my prayer

543
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: partner who who let me put a prayer room in

544
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: the house.

545
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: This is what this person is in this congregation.

546
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: I'm just about twelve, it's about fifteen years. It's small.

547
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I know it's mega church and nothing

548
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: because that would be wild.

549
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: No, no mega church, Because now is there.

550
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: A way for you to recuperate any of this or

551
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: is that just over and done with? Like is there

552
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: I know that you're moving on with your life and

553
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: this and you want to close that financial part of

554
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: it and rebuild, but is there any way for you

555
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: to recuperate any of this?

556
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 2: I you know, I feel like the legal system literally

557
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: let me down. The justice system let me down because

558
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: I tried to tell them and I get so scared

559
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: because these type of people, they will kill you.

560
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that.

561
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: You go, you go to law for man and we

562
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: had an issue. You probably saw it down in Broward

563
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: County where that happened. This lady was going to the

564
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: trying to fire a straining order against this man and

565
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: then he ended up killing her. So at one point,

566
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: like I was really afraid from my life and telling

567
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 2: them like listen, he's dangerously clever. I don't know what

568
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: he's capable of. You know, my daughters had already said

569
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 2: to me, like, listen, you were always getting sick. I

570
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 2: have not been sick since I was always like probably

571
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: was right, that's what you know that yeah, saying allegedly and.

572
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: Like physically.

573
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: He said he had a ram in the bush. That's

574
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: what he said to me before. He was like, oh,

575
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: I have a ram in the bush. So I took

576
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 2: that as a threat and I went to the police department,

577
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 2: Mirror mar police department, that's the city that we lived in,

578
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna put him out there. I went to

579
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: them and I said, listen, this is the things that

580
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 2: he's saying now when he said he had a ram

581
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: in the bush. Now, hindsight, I kind of think it

582
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: was when he went and fo the false police support

583
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 2: Angela on his false police support. He he he even

584
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: has plastic surgeon on there, like are you guys not looking?

585
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: You guys wrote this. It says plastic surgeon. So is

586
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: there a way for me to recoup only through you know,

587
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: the legal system. I would say, you know, they did

588
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: me wrong. They did me wrong. I was wrongfully arrested.

589
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: I had to go turn myself in my daughters were

590
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: devastating that they were devastated. And then you know, social

591
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: media is social media. Oh Sreza arrested for fraud.

592
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: And now, how does this affect how you feel about

593
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: dating moving forward to because I can't even imagine the

594
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: type of PTSD that you have from a case like this.

595
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: From the beginning, I actually wrote an article in Black Love.

596
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: I always said that I'm still not afraid to love again.

597
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to love again because I'm love. I

598
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: deserve love, I deserve to be loved. So it really

599
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: has not hindered me. It really hasn't because I said

600
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: this person was a character. He wasn't even real, right,

601
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: And that's how I had to kind of, you know,

602
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: fix my mind to understand that this is a character,

603
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: he wasn't real. All this was fake. Now my dad,

604
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: who's an Army VET who worked for the Inspector General's office,

605
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: like he's now it's like when you meet somebody I

606
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: need to know, like, because you know, I didn't tell

607
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: him everything. And me and my dad are very tight.

608
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: So he said, my dad is you Like? I don't

609
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: want my dad to go carry wise very wise, right,

610
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: So I didn't tell him a lot of things that

611
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: he feels like. You know, had you said it to me,

612
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: I would have thought, no, that's not right. Had you

613
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: told me you were about to go sell your house

614
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: and do this, I would have been like, so.

615
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: You won't really tell anybody you were doing all those things.

616
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: I didn't. Yeah, I didn't. And you know it's crazy

617
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: because it's probably because I knew something wasn't right about it,

618
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: because you knew what people were going to say.

619
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you knew everybody was going to talk you out

620
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 1: of it, and he probably didn't want you to tell him.

621
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: Buddy also, and then he kept me from Yeah, that's

622
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: they always say, that's one of the signs anybody that

623
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: tries to isolate you from your family and close friends.

624
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: That's always like a warning sign that somebody is trying

625
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: to manipulate and do things to you.

626
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: But loving again, No, because I'm there. I'm there, like

627
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: right now, like have met like the best person to

628
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: hear that when I when I tell you, you see,

629
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: I'm blushing already, Like I'm got your girl cooking and

630
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: cleaning and being very domestic, you know, and I'm like, listen,

631
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: soft girl, is what you claim it to be? Right,

632
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: because people are like, oh, soft girl, what y'all talking

633
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: about soft girl era? And I had to realize that

634
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: I'm still a boss, you know what I mean, I'm

635
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: still a boss. I'm still gonna take care of business

636
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: you can't.

637
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: And I think taking your power back. And that's part

638
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: of why, Like when I worked on this other docu

639
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: series that I did, it was also about like taking

640
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: the power back because some of the people who were

641
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: victims of his were able to speak and get their

642
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: story out. And some of them dated back like so

643
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: long ago, and they never thought that they would have

644
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: a chance to tell their story.

645
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: You know.

646
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: There were people who literally like had to rebuild from

647
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: the ground up, also got their credit. There were men

648
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: that he was sleeping with that he swindled.

649
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: I mean allegedly, so was this person.

650
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: And I feel like people like that are so like

651
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: they don't care where it's coming from. If I gotta

652
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: you know whatever, No, it's true to get a check.

653
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: Will There's some people that are ruthless like that, they

654
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: don't care who they're swindling. They will figure it out

655
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: become whoever it is that they need to become. Now

656
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: he's a pastor, you know what, I'm saying, and now

657
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: he's swindling church members and probably.

658
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: Like you're laying hands on people like that.

659
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: Has he said anything or reached out once he found

660
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: out that this, you know, because this is out right

661
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: now on Netflix for people to be able to watch

662
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: Love con Revenge, Has he reached out or said anything or.

663
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: Not that I'm aware of. I know they they gave

664
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: him a right to reply.

665
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has to have a right to do that.

666
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: He declined, of course he did. So that's all I know.

667
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: Now that it's out right, it's out.

668
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna tell everybody. Make sure you watch this

669
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: in its entirety, make sure you spread the word, make

670
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: sure and I know right now, you also want to

671
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: be able to help other women, yes, who are going

672
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: through this. I'm you know, getting fraudulently taken advantage of

673
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: in the name of romance.

674
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: So I started a foundation called RAW Respect All Women.

675
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: And it's not just about romance fraud. It's about the injustice.

676
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: You know, women who are told they're too loud, too emotional,

677
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: you know Black women that they're trying to silence, They're

678
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: trying to silence us from telling our stories. And RAW

679
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: is really a resource Center where I am dedicating, you know,

680
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 2: my life to be an advocate for women, you know,

681
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: and making sure that we're respected and we receive the

682
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: justice that we deserve, whether it's through helping them find

683
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: a bankruptcy attorney. So I'm partnering with different attorneys, family law,

684
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: criminal law, therapists, partnering with different resources to say, Okay,

685
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: they may not have this right now, so what can

686
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: we do to help? You know? And that's basically what

687
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: it is, because I always say, in each one of us,

688
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: there's all of us, and my story may not be

689
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: your story, but you have a story. And the thing is,

690
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: we're so afraid to share our story because we as women,

691
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: not just women of color, but we as women tend

692
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 2: to judge one another more so than pour into one another.

693
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: And it's communities out there that love on each other.

694
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: It's real communities out there. And I always say, I

695
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: was so hurt by my own women who basically kind

696
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: of tore me down doing this process and you know,

697
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: basically you know, had their judgmental ways and different things.

698
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: But then I said, you know what my grandma always said,

699
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: if you do good, folks gonna talk about you. If

700
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: you do bad. Folks still talk about you, So just

701
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: do good. All I try to do is the right

702
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: thing for the right reasons around people. And I can

703
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: say that through all this, Angela, one thing I never

704
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: lost was my peace.

705
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: That's great.

706
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: I never lost my pass, that's true.

707
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: Survivor like cause honestly, I can't even fathom what it

708
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: must be like to and like I said, I've witnessed

709
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: a lot of different things happening. I mean I was

710
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: in the courtroom with my friends trying to you know,

711
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: so and what you went through, I mean actually like

712
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: married this man and thought because it's also the loss

713
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: of what you thought was going to be your life partner,

714
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, and finding out somebody wasn't who you thought

715
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: he was. But it is also true that what they say,

716
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: what doesn't break you, makes you stronger. And so maybe

717
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: this is the path for you to be on too,

718
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of people who don't have a voice,

719
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: who aren't going to have a Netflix series, who aren't

720
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: going to have a daily mail highlighting their story, that

721
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: will never have an opportunity for their voice to be heard,

722
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: that can actually now feel like maybe something can happen.

723
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a way that I have to keep on

724
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: pursuing this because so many people will be like, well

725
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: forget it, like there's nothing I could do it about it,

726
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: and just suffer.

727
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: And his past victims, that's what they did. They ran

728
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: out of resources, they lost their voices, or they were

729
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: worried about their career.

730
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: It was surprising to you that you heard from one

731
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: of the past victims.

732
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: What was surprising?

733
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what was something that you would like?

734
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: Dang? Well one was a guy, right, so that was

735
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: like you're like, I didn't know he okay? Really, like

736
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 2: I mean and it's not okay, nothing on the gay community,

737
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 2: let me just say that. But the fact that you're

738
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: being deceitful, you know, that's the problem, the deception. And

739
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, so.

740
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: He's like a chameleon. He'll be whatever, he will.

741
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: Be whoever he needs to be, bottom side everything, like whatever,

742
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 2: it's going to be who he is. And I think

743
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: that kind of surprised me. But then it's always you

744
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 2: think back because I never forget. One time he sent

745
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: I read a text message that he sent a friend

746
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: and it said I need to see you. Who sends

747
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 2: another man that like that's normally something that you send

748
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: to a woman or.

749
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: Somebody, somebody romantic and you didn't think he was gay

750
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 1: because he was with.

751
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: You, right, So I was just like, that was weird.

752
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 2: But that always stuck in the back of my mind,

753
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: always stuck in the back of my mind. But you know,

754
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 2: my story is my story, and.

755
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: It's gonna be all we all get to watch your

756
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: full you haven't seen it yet. I love kind revenge.

757
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: Did you meet all the other women too.

758
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 2: That I have not? I have not one of them, Jill.

759
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: We actually exchange information like on social media and we

760
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: kind of talk, but I'm excited to meet the rest

761
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: of the women. And there's also one man on there.

762
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 2: Like it's not romance. Fraud is not to one gender.

763
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: It's just more so it happens to us or we're

764
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: talking and.

765
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: They get you know, the reason they treated differently because

766
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: they think that you just made a silly mistake in

767
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: the name of love. Like you gave him access to this,

768
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: you gave him the money, you invested the money. He

769
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: didn't steal it from you, But he was signing over

770
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: lines of credit and your name and all kinds of

771
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: things that you had nothing to do with, right, So

772
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: that's the fraudulent part. Yes, you may have emptied out

773
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: Soldier House and invested money into this company that didn't

774
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: work and found out later that he wasn't adopted. But

775
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: he was doing way more than just that. Yeah, you

776
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And sometimes they look at it like, well,

777
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: you voluntarily gave this man.

778
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: But there's laws to this stuff. When I told you that,

779
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: I probably need to go ahead and just go to

780
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: law school after this because I had to write my

781
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: own motions because I ended up letting my attorney go

782
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: wrote my own motion, won my motion the way. Yes,

783
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: there we go on my motion and everything. So I've

784
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: learned so much and legally because another thing, he said

785
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: he was only married twice. I mean he said he

786
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: was married once. I was his second wife. I was

787
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: his fifth wife. Yeah, he's saying he's married again. So

788
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: it's crazy. But all that that has happened to me.

789
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: It is called theft by deception. It's literally organized crime

790
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: because it's so many women. It's literally rico, Right, this

791
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: happens to women and there's no accountability.

792
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. So this is a crime like we

793
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: saw attend this when there we were talking about this

794
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: before the interview how he became like a hero to

795
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: some people, like, wow, how do he manage?

796
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And this is what people will say about

797
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 2: my story as well, you know, because people are ignorant.

798
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: And when I say ignorant, I really mean just not knowing.

799
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: You know, hurt people, hurt people. There has to be

800
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: some This is a mental illness. It's a mental issue,

801
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: like for someone to just really I don't know morally,

802
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: I just like I could not just hurt somebody intentionally.

803
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: I can and a whole family, because it's not just you.

804
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: Do you want to see him in jail?

805
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: I do, Okay. I want justice, sir. I want to

806
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: be able to I want my money back, you know

807
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: what I mean. I want to get something back. I

808
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: would say, you know, through the legal system. I want

809
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: something back him. I'm probably never gonna get anything right

810
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: because he's just he cons people. He puts things to

811
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: other people's names so he can walk away from it.

812
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,479
Speaker 2: And that's another thing that he did put some things

813
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: in my name, and you were able to walk away

814
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: from it. And then I'm getting you're stuck with it.

815
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: Have you been able to rebuild financially? Like, how are you?

816
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: I'm trying because with the criminal case that was against me,

817
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: I mean going back to Fortune five hundred companies and

818
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: putting that in so guess what, you know, what happens,

819
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: They pull your background. I was so close to getting

820
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: tereveral positions. They pull your background. And because I'm a

821
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: six seven figure earner, you know, when I'm in corporate America,

822
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: I have that that those skills, but they're not going

823
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 2: to hire you because you have a background. Now, so

824
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: I have to go and get all that taken care

825
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: of him. In the process of getting it taken care

826
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: of because they just dropped the charges in June and

827
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: actually officially dropped it July eighteenth, that way, so it

828
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: took a month, right, it took a month once they

829
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: announced it was dropping. But yeah, it's been hard, but

830
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: I'm trying. I'm rebuilding this love con revenge. You know,

831
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: I think look at it as a stepping saw. I'm

832
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: a writer. I have a stage play that I wrote.

833
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you know we could probably get together.

834
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: This needs to be a movie. My story needs to

835
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 2: be a movie.

836
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: Here you go.

837
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just put it out there to Angeloy and

838
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 2: I'm about to make a movie.

839
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: You can get Okay, we're gonna figure this out. Yeah,

840
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: because when I tell you, I cannot wait for everybody

841
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: to see this. And we're gonna watch this as a family.

842
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it yet, it's on right now

843
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: on Netflix, and I'm gonna discuss this on Monday for

844
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: everybody so they have a chance to see it too. Awesome, awesome, Well, Shaisa,

845
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me today. I appreciate

846
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: you sharing your story and sharing your story with the

847
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: world because I know it's not easy, but I know

848
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: it's necessary.

849
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: It's necessary, and we appreciate you, and I appreciate you

850
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: for all the work you're doing for women as well.

851
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: All Right, well, thank you so much. It's way up, HM.