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Speaker 1: it and where did those videos come from? I don't

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Speaker 1: know we've got to take a real quick break. Stay

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Speaker 1: with us. You know, I wanted to ask you too.

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Speaker 1: I know that you've worked really hard and uncovering videos

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Speaker 1: with January six, you know, and and they tried to

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Speaker 1: shield as much information from us as they can and

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Speaker 1: as they could. What if you won't cover about January six?

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Speaker 1: What should people know that maybe they don't know already? Well,

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Speaker 1: the government was well aware that tens of thousands of

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Speaker 1: people were likely to send on the capital, and obviously

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Speaker 1: the security was lacking. Uh, the government, UMU. We have

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Speaker 1: documents about the shooting death of Ashley Dabbitt, the only

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Speaker 1: homicide that day, that shows, in my view, there was

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Speaker 1: no good reason to shoot her. Uh. The officer, Lieutenant Bird,

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Speaker 1: just shot into the crowd. It was completely crazed that

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Speaker 1: he did that with no accountability and consequence. And then,

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Speaker 1: you know, much of much of what we're doing also

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Speaker 1: is out figure out what we don't know and challenging

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Speaker 1: Congress to release these records. We've sued in court and

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Speaker 1: sued to get access to these congressional records about what

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Speaker 1: went on. You know, we know about the fourteen thousand

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Speaker 1: hours of videotape, none of which has been released, you know,

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Speaker 1: publicly by Congress, at least in the process that we

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Speaker 1: think it ought to be held. You know, the process

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Speaker 1: that we think about to reply, which is tell us

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Speaker 1: what you're turning over, tell us what you're withholding, and

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Speaker 1: you know, stop editing stuff. But also there's and people

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Speaker 1: don't know this widely, is there's there there's at least

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Speaker 1: two d and seventy emails from a January six from

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Speaker 1: within the police department there the US Capital. And also

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Speaker 1: what we don't know about January six is important because

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Speaker 1: it's Congress is hiding the information. We sued Congress to

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Speaker 1: get access to those fourteen hours of videos that the

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Speaker 1: policy Congress doesn't want to release any of them, you know,

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Speaker 1: under the process that we think is appropriate, which is

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Speaker 1: give us the videos, don't don't selectively edit them, don't

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Speaker 1: hide other videos, and if you hide them, you need

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Speaker 1: to justify while you're hiding. The same thing goes for

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Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy plus emails. They're hiding emails about

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Speaker 1: January six. So Pelosi is coming into court, the Commerce

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Speaker 1: is coming into court saying we have no right to

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Speaker 1: sue their sovereign immunity, and even if we had a

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Speaker 1: right because who the records aren't aren't of sufficient public

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Speaker 1: interest is to require their release. It's really outrageous. They're

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Speaker 1: going out taking the phone records and text messages of

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Speaker 1: Americans and leaking them while hiding virtually everything they have

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Speaker 1: about January six. That would be very educational, I would

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Speaker 1: think for the American people well. And then also just

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Speaker 1: using it as a way to target their enemies, you know,

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Speaker 1: going after Steve Bannon, going after Jenny Thomas, just you know,

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Speaker 1: adding anyone to the list that they can, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: to target. You know, I wanted to ask you, I

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Speaker 1: saw someone flew with the idea. I don't remember who

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Speaker 1: it was, so I apologiz us for not giving them credit.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't me, so I'm not going to take credit

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Speaker 1: for someone else's But I saw I saw someone float

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Speaker 1: the idea of if when Republicans win back the House

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Speaker 1: and the Senate. In the House, they should uh overtake

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Speaker 1: the January six investigation and continue it, but start investigating

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Speaker 1: the things that Democrats don't want answered. What did Pelosi? No?

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Speaker 1: What are they not telling us? What do we need

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Speaker 1: to know about what happened to Ashley Babbitt, Why do

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Speaker 1: they withhold the video? What video do we not? You know,

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Speaker 1: and and try to get into some of those questions

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Speaker 1: that you've been raising in this conversation. What do you

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Speaker 1: what do you think about that idea? If they're brave

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Speaker 1: enough to do that. You know, my experience with the

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Speaker 1: Republican leadership, which largely hasn't changed in the last several

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Speaker 1: years since they don't like to really do investigations and

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Speaker 1: push too hard. But who knows, maybe the public will

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Speaker 1: demand it, maybe their voters will demand it. Certainly, you know,

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Speaker 1: we would encourage full disclosure. Um, you know, right now

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Speaker 1: my understanding is the Republican leadership can release these videos

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Speaker 1: what they haven't, so we'll see what their legal position is.

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Speaker 1: You know, if I were them, I would recognize there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of work to be done in terms of oversight,

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Speaker 1: but there has to be demands to get some prosecutions

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Speaker 1: and accountability here and um, you know, for instance, fully

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Speaker 1: funding the Justice Department and the FBI given their wild

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Speaker 1: abuses of power. I mean, how how does that work?

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand how it would. And certainly

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Speaker 1: members of the House who are involved in this one

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Speaker 1: six committee. Why should they be trusted to serve on

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Speaker 1: any other committee given the abuses they've engaged in currently.

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Speaker 1: You know, so there's a lot of opportunity for accountability

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Speaker 1: here that you know. I think Speaker McCarthy needs to

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Speaker 1: be strongly encouraged to pursue, presuming that he's the speaker

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Speaker 1: and the Republicans win. As someone who's covered this stuff

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Speaker 1: probably more than anyone, and uncovered more information than probably anyone,

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Speaker 1: what kind of oversight would you like to see from

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Speaker 1: a Republican led Congress? What areas would you like them

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Speaker 1: to tackle, and sort of what advice would you give

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Speaker 1: them on on what they should be looking at? Well, ay,

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Speaker 1: they should be you know, I know I don't mean

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Speaker 1: to be tried here, but they should really be investigating everything.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many problems with uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: the way COVID was handled. Uh, who was doing what

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Speaker 1: in terms of suppressing information about COVID? You know, for instance,

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Speaker 1: the vaccines, And you raise the issue about these alternative treatments,

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Speaker 1: but who who is making the decision to attacks fellow

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Speaker 1: scientists and such who are promoting alternative treatments and refusing

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Speaker 1: to even even countenance discussions of them and and seeking

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Speaker 1: a suppressed debate with the targeting of Trump and the

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Speaker 1: Justice Department mistake, you know, misapplying the law to suggest

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Speaker 1: that anyone who disputed the election should be subject to

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Speaker 1: criminal grand jury investigations. What's going on there? Uh? You know,

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Speaker 1: frankly going back to talk about the intervention of private

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Speaker 1: parties in the and the and the elections and what

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Speaker 1: the plans were. I mean, you know, the left tries

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Speaker 1: tries to pretend that the Republicans we're seeking to overturn democracy,

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Speaker 1: when in fact their plans were actually quite specific that

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Speaker 1: they were. For instance, John Podesta, who now I believe

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Speaker 1: as a Biden White House official, and he was he

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Speaker 1: did war gaming and he was playing Joe Biden. This

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Speaker 1: was the big left war game because they thought Trump

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Speaker 1: was going to try to oppose you know, the elections,

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Speaker 1: and their their war game was that if the electors

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Speaker 1: were going the wrong way, they should have states threatened succession.

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Speaker 1: M boy, I'd like to be I'd like to figure

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Speaker 1: out who was who was thinking about that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if that's the new rule, let's do a broad, comprehensive

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Speaker 1: investigation of how elections are to be disputed and who

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Speaker 1: was planning what in right now it's only been a

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Speaker 1: one sided invest instigation, but what's what was the other

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Speaker 1: side planning? And of course you have these internal investigations.

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Speaker 1: You know what was Adam Schiff up to? Well, they

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Speaker 1: dare start investigating members of Congress who are abusing their authority.

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Speaker 1: We'll see those are all X. I mean, I'd love

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Speaker 1: to find out on all those and also obviously what's

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Speaker 1: going on at the southern border um as well, which

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Speaker 1: is yes, and plus the invasion. It's just I think

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Speaker 1: they can spend ten minutes on that, I would hope. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of problems in front of us. Tom,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you joining the show. Is there anything else

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Speaker 1: you'd like to leave us with before we go? You

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Speaker 1: guys did such great work. Well, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: one thing we need to be looking forward to is

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Speaker 1: the attack on election integrity, this debate about January six.

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Speaker 1: They don't really care about that anymore. They're in power,

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Speaker 1: you know, They're they're just doing what they can in

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Speaker 1: my view, not to kind of, you know, make any

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Speaker 1: public arguments about January six. It's more to keep people

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Speaker 1: from exercising the First Amendment rights to raise to advocate

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Speaker 1: for election integrity and suppress political involvement. Generally, that you'll

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Speaker 1: be punished if you come out and talk and advocate

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Speaker 1: for candidates. I mean, they're suggesting anyone who supports Trump

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Speaker 1: doesn't deserve the protection of the law. So you know,

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Speaker 1: we have a right to participate in our democracy despite

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Speaker 1: what Biden says, and we have to be vigilant and

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Speaker 1: protecting that right. Well said, Tom, and I know that

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Speaker 1: you are, and we're all going to continue doing that.

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Speaker 1: We know there's a lot at stake. In November, Tom

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Speaker 1: Fitton Judicial Watch, thanks so much for joining the show.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thank you Tomphitton of Judicial Watch.

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Speaker 1: They do the great work just covering government corruption through

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Speaker 1: FUIA request and really just digging in, so I appreciate

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Speaker 1: his time. I appreciate you guys for listening every Monday

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Speaker 1: and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. Feel

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