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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They call me Bed.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer, Dylan the

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Speaker 4: Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. You are

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Speaker 4: mail program the Evening It publishes, allow us to welcome

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Speaker 4: you to August twenty first, twenty twenty five. And what

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Speaker 4: better way to ring in the twenty first than to

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Speaker 4: dig up some rudebim Because.

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Speaker 5: Is it true that you dug up all the rudabigas.

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Speaker 6: No poetry gonna do without all the We don't have

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Speaker 3: The rude biggas will come again.

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Speaker 5: It's a rudebak apocalypse.

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Speaker 6: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah this I'm rooting for this Bart Farkle character.

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Speaker 6: Boby's a regular cast member or at least the recurring truth.

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Speaker 4: In journalism, right A regular Clarence Darrow is that guy.

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Speaker 4: We are going to, uh, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 4: several things that we've heard from the best part of

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Speaker 4: the show, our fellow conspiracy realist will get to what

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Speaker 4: we're calling the bread crumb theory about Nobody's pal Jeffrey.

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Speaker 4: We're going to hear some first hand experience from Washington, DC.

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Speaker 4: And before we do any of that, we're gonna tune

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Speaker 4: into a message from mister Delay. Klay lay calvea asterisk

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Speaker 4: after word from our sponsors.

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Speaker 6: And we have returned with the aforementioned message from mister

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Speaker 6: Delay lay lay because you know Delay.

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Speaker 5: Sorry audio nerd joke. Here we go.

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Speaker 6: Hi boys, mister Delay here again. As always, feel free

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Speaker 6: to read or paraphrase my message on the air, mister Delay.

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Speaker 6: We would never presume to paraphrase your words only verbatim.

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Speaker 6: For mister Delay, I just listened to your classic episode

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Speaker 6: on bug out bags and thought i'd have some advice

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Speaker 6: and insight to share for my time serving as a

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Speaker 6: combat medic in the US Army. Apologies for the length

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Speaker 6: of my message, No apologies needed, mister Delay. It helps

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Speaker 6: us fill the time with a fantastic information from you.

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Speaker 6: Anyone wanting the latest and greatest trauma medicine guidelines that

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Speaker 6: the military has to offer should look up the most

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Speaker 6: updated TCCC, graciously pronounced TC three or Tactical Combat Casualty Guidelines.

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Speaker 6: But I'll go over the basics here, only including things

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Speaker 6: I think an average Joe could accomplish with a bit

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Speaker 6: of practice and luck. Traumatic emergency and battlefield wounds should

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Speaker 6: be addressed in order of March. Boy, do we love

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Speaker 6: an acronym here and stuff they don't want you to

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Speaker 6: know that stands for massive hemorrhaging airway respiration circulation hypothermia,

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Speaker 6: which could also be like a really cool like black

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Speaker 6: metal song title massive hemorrhaging. The first step is to

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Speaker 6: staunch the bleeding, usually with a tourniquet applied two to

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Speaker 6: three inches above the wound. Always remember to write down

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Speaker 6: the time the tourniquet is applied. Interesting, if bleeding persists

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Speaker 6: apply a second tourniquit right by the first one. Do

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Speaker 6: you guys know about that? About writing down the time?

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Speaker 6: That is fascinating and the idea of a second tourniquet.

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Speaker 6: I think we can chat about these one by one,

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Speaker 6: maybe a little bit. Turniquets freaked me out, by the way,

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Speaker 6: all I have to give blood, but I have blood

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Speaker 5: It really freaks me out.

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Speaker 6: But I was actually recently told that I have good

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Speaker 6: use of a tourniquet in order to help staunch the bleeding. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: what did you know about the idea of a second tourniquit, ben,

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Speaker 6: And also making note of the time. I imagine it's

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Speaker 3: This TCCC is.

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Speaker 4: Invaluable, which is one of the reasons we so greatly

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Speaker 4: appreciate your email, mister Delay.

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Speaker 3: And we also know I think we need to note.

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Speaker 4: That as mister Delay says, Lay Lay Lay says, says, says,

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Speaker 4: these are just the basics. Please do read more regarding this,

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Speaker 4: hopefully before you need to know it. And then, as

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I just want to say too, I mean,

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Speaker 6: mister Delay really did do a great job of curating

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Speaker 6: some super useful tips. And I mean I'm no field medic,

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Speaker 6: so this is all really good information for me. But

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Speaker 6: I think I always assume the tourniquit was applied to

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Speaker 6: on you, mister Delay, for schooling me there. Let's go

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Speaker 6: to the second point here, airway the a in March.

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Speaker 6: Next step is to secure the airway, and I think

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Speaker 6: making sure that it is unobstructive. If the patient is

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Speaker 6: So moving on to the R in march, which is respiration.

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Speaker 6: Any penetrating chest wounds should have a chest seal applied,

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Speaker 6: And this is one of the most squiggy out things

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Speaker 5: It that doesn't work.

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Speaker 6: We need a needle decompression, and oftentimes you will see

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Speaker 4: it's an ugly thing that we see happen, but it

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Speaker 4: can save lives. And this no mister delay, fellow listeners

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Speaker 4: be This leads us to the next see on the list,

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Speaker 4: which is circulation.

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Speaker 6: Circulation, indeed the sea in March uh and that goes

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Speaker 6: like this. If the patient is not in shock, the

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Speaker 6: closely monitored. The wound should be filled with homeostatic gauze

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Speaker 6: it hard. If your fingers aren't hurting, you're not pressing

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Speaker 6: This should be done less than two hours after the

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Speaker 4: Again to the point about noting the time the tourniquet

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Speaker 4: is applied when later medical care occurs. This stuff might

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Speaker 4: be disturbing to a lot of us, but again, as

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Speaker 4: mister Delay surely knows, it is way better to know

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Speaker 6: some other personal ambulatory device.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, wherever you're at, this is super helpful stuff.

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Speaker 6: Finally, we have the h in march, which is hypothermia

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Speaker 6: just a biggie In certain climates. Blood is one of

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Speaker 6: the primary ways the body maintains temperature. Minimize patient's exposure

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Speaker 6: to cold, replacing wet clothing and wrap in a blanket.

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Speaker 6: Now quickly wet clothing given a frigid environment can lower

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Speaker 2: This feels like essent stuff, guys, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: how or why any of us would actually get hit

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Speaker 2: with all of this information unless we were doing some

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Speaker 2: someone who's going into active duty somewhere. How this is

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Speaker 2: just an available resource, right you can find this thing.

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Speaker 5: I just found it. It's a it's a free pdf.

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Speaker 6: You can literally just search for MILITARYTCCC and on Army DotMil.

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Speaker 6: It is the Tactical Combat Casualty Care Handbook, Version five.

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Speaker 6: It would appear that the most recent version came out

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty three, so I don't think they're updated

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Speaker 6: like yearly necessarily, but it is definitely a full manual

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Speaker 6: that you get with illustrations and all kinds of helpful tips,

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Speaker 6: so you know, dig a little deeper if you want

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Speaker 6: to go beyond the kind of curated you know everyday

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Speaker 6: Joe pointers that mister Delay brought to us today.

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Speaker 4: And you very much should, especially if you live in

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Speaker 4: the United States. You have already paid for this book

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Speaker 4: because it was sure made with your tax dollars. So

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Speaker 6: No, totally and well huge thanks to mister delay, and

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Speaker 2: And we've returned. Guys, we had something very interesting occur.

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Speaker 2: We had a caller in early early July July second,

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Speaker 7: Hi, y'all, I got off the phone with a friend

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Speaker 7: And she told me that he let it slit that

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Speaker 7: I have no clue. I could completely be fear hungering

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, this anonymous person you know, heard from a

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Speaker 5: I think I'm a little confused.

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Speaker 2: At least, that's the gist of the message that I got.

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Speaker 5: I get it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, so a little bit of yeah, maybe some

441
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Speaker 6: stress involved in the heavy drinking as well. Hmm, do

442
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Speaker 6: some things that he doesn't want to do?

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Speaker 5: What do you think that might mean?

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Speaker 2: Well, specifically, at least in the message, Colors says to

445
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Speaker 2: the American people like against the American people, gathering intelligence

446
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Speaker 2: for some future action. Again, this is July second of

447
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Speaker 2: this year. Let's go to the follow up, I guess

448
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Speaker 2: and we will hear what the person has to say.

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Speaker 9: I call y'all, as soon as I saw how the

450
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Speaker 9: National Guard has been deployed into d C about a

451
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Speaker 9: month ago. I don't know if y'all remember, but I

452
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Speaker 9: called y'all to let you know how my friend is

453
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Speaker 9: the National Guard, had told me how he had been

454
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Speaker 9: brought up to d C to gather intel and he

455
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Speaker 9: had been drinking really bad because he told me he

456
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Speaker 9: was turning against the American people. It's happened. What's happening

457
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Speaker 9: in DC is just to start. His drinking is getting worse,

458
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Speaker 9: and what he's slipping is getting worse. There's a reason

459
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Speaker 9: why this is just the first place, and he's been

460
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Speaker 9: up there four months gathering intel. I don't know what's

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Speaker 9: going to happen next, but I do hope y'all do

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Speaker 9: a story about this. The National Guard has been in

463
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Speaker 9: DC intel for a hot minute now. On where they're

464
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Speaker 9: deploying DC is to start. Sorry, I got real into

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Speaker 9: I hope y'all have a fabulous night.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I've been burying my head in the

467
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Speaker 6: sand a little bit about the potential future versions of

468
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Speaker 6: what's going on in DC.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's certainly troubling, I think from an objective standpoint, right,

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Speaker 2: it's it's either troubling because there's a massive crime wave

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Speaker 2: occurring in cities across the country that needs to be

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Speaker 2: assisted by you know, national guardsmen, or there's seems to

473
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Speaker 2: be a movement here to rationalize and normalize you know,

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Speaker 2: troops with weapons on streets in American cities to self

475
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Speaker 2: police in some kind of weird way. We've talked about

476
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Speaker 2: a little bit on the show already. It is really weird,

477
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Speaker 2: I think, just to hear one person's perspective, you know,

478
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Speaker 2: as it's happening before, and then as it's occurring now,

479
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Speaker 2: and then potentially having information from someone who's not dealing

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Speaker 2: with it so well, right, who's being told to do

481
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Speaker 2: this or this is you know, we have to be

482
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Speaker 2: objective as well with the whole thing, right, as much

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Speaker 2: as we can. Just from what this caller is even saying.

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Speaker 6: Those crime stats certainly don't seem to bear out though

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Speaker 6: from everything that I'm seeing. I don't know if y'all

486
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Speaker 6: are seeing differently, but like it's my understanding, the crime

487
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Speaker 6: rates in DC are a historic low, and it's being rationalized,

488
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Speaker 6: used as a rationalization to do this deployment, and that

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Speaker 6: I could see that being a tactic used elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we can jump to Al Jazeera if we want to,

491
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Speaker 2: just to get a little bit of data on this.

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Speaker 2: This occurred on August twelfth, the President announced that the

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Speaker 2: federal government would take control of the District of Columbia

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Speaker 2: Metropolitan Police Department to address surgeon crime. We've got a

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Speaker 2: quote here, This is from the President. I'm announcing a

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Speaker 2: historic action to rescue our nation's capital from crime, bloodshed, bedlam,

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Speaker 2: and squalor and worse. This is Liberation Day in DC,

498
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Speaker 2: and we're going to take our capital back under the

499
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Speaker 2: authorities vested in me as the President of the United States.

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Speaker 2: I'm officially invoking Section seven forty of the District of

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Speaker 2: Columbia Home Rule Act in placing the DC Metropolitan and

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Speaker 2: Police Department under direct federal control. It was also announced

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Speaker 2: at the time that he would be deploying National Guard

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Speaker 2: and if we jump to August nineteen, we've got a

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Speaker 2: list here from the Hill of the different states that

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Speaker 2: are sending National Guard troops to Washington, d C. Louisiana

507
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Speaker 2: is sending one hundred and thirty five members of the

508
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Speaker 2: Louisiana National Guard. Mississippi two hundred soldiers from the Mississippi

509
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Speaker 2: National Guard Tennessee one hundred and sixty personnel. West Virginia

510
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Speaker 2: is sending three hundred to four hundred quote skilled personnel.

511
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Speaker 2: South Carolina is sending two hundred National guardsmen, and Ohio

512
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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty military police from the National Guard.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe the most troubling thing is that when

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Speaker 2: you look at a lot of the reporting from various sources,

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Speaker 2: including Fox News and other places like that, that tend

516
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Speaker 2: to lean towards maybe the president and the administration. Everybody

517
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Speaker 2: is pointing out that it's an objective fact that crime

518
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Speaker 2: rates in specifically Washington, DC are low. There was a

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Speaker 2: spike several years ago in crime, and that is kind

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Speaker 2: of how crime statistics work, right. Crime statistics can be

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Speaker 2: a very political thing.

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Speaker 5: There's a delay in reporting tools.

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Speaker 2: There is, and you can goose numbers pretty well depending

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Speaker 2: on what you want to have happen. Who's in charge,

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Speaker 2: who's the mayor, you know, does the mayor align with

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Speaker 2: whatever the governor or things like.

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Speaker 3: That, just like unemployment numbers.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all of these numbers and statistics to get

529
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Speaker 2: thrown around that people get enraged about or scared about

530
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Speaker 2: and all that stuff. It's stuff that can be used

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Speaker 2: to make you feel a certain way that hopefully you

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Speaker 2: will either vote or support or be against something. Right,

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Speaker 2: We just got to keep that in mind as we

534
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Speaker 2: see all this stuff. The action itself, though, to declare

535
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Speaker 2: an emergency and then have that kind of presence, I

536
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Speaker 2: think is maybe the weirdest thing, just getting people used

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Speaker 2: to seeing soldiers from your country on streets in the

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Speaker 2: city where you live, you know, with some of them armed,

539
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Speaker 2: some of them not armed, but making arrests alongside you know,

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Speaker 2: police officers, local police officers, and the FBI all kind

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Speaker 2: of working together as this big thing.

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Speaker 6: But apparently there's also a real weird hierarchical disconnect between

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Speaker 6: those agencies in these kinds of situations, or specifically now

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Speaker 6: where it's like kind of unclear who's in charge and

545
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Speaker 6: a lot of things get lost in.

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Speaker 5: The shuffle of the chaos of an act like this.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we've seen out of the BBC a lot

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Speaker 2: of other reporting that the mayor there in Washington, d C.

549
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Speaker 2: Mayor Muriel Bowser, who happens to be on the other

550
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Speaker 2: side of the aisle than the presidential administration, pushing back

551
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Speaker 2: and saying, hey, this we can't do this. It's not

552
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Speaker 2: going exactly the way the announcement. The initial announcement said

553
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Speaker 2: it was going to go with, you know, specifics of

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Speaker 2: how the police departments, who they report to and everything.

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Speaker 2: But it is convoluted now at this point and a

556
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Speaker 2: bit strange, and you got to do some digging to

557
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Speaker 2: actually see where is the chain of command and how

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Speaker 2: does then the FBI figure into that, and where does

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Speaker 2: the National Guard figure into that? It's a bit strange.

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Speaker 6: Is this also like a logical or a spiritual successor

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Speaker 6: to what happened in Los Angeles? Like and you know

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Speaker 6: in terms of deploying the Guard without the permission of

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Speaker 6: the mayor, without any That's what I meant the excuse me,

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Speaker 6: But just like in Los Angeles during that whatever period

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Speaker 6: of unrest, I guess as it was described, there was

566
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Speaker 6: a lot of to do made about, you know how

567
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Speaker 6: it was kind of an overarching act that didn't really

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Speaker 6: have precedent.

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Speaker 4: Tit interjector there is an interesting parallel and a series

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Speaker 4: of breadcrumbs we can lay because if I recall correctly

571
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Speaker 4: the last time, so the issue with the Marines is

572
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Speaker 4: that they were deployed despite the protestations of the Governor

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Speaker 4: of California, Gavin Newsom. In the DC case, there is

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Speaker 4: a more recent precedent, right, because the National Guard was

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Speaker 4: last deployed a few years ago on a sunny day

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Speaker 4: in January. January sixth, twenty twenty one, was the last

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Speaker 4: time the ng got gathered up and posse together in

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Speaker 4: DC and Anonymous caller, thank you so much for following up.

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Speaker 4: Sorry have been a little bit quiet in this part

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Speaker 4: of our listener mail program. It's because there is a

581
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Speaker 4: lot to think about, and I'd like for us to

582
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Speaker 4: do an episode on this as a follow up to

583
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Speaker 4: our episode years back on the militarization of police forces.

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Speaker 4: One thing that I think is key to understand to

585
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Speaker 4: get past the headlines here folks, for you, Anonymous caller,

586
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Speaker 4: and for all of us listening, whether you are civilian,

587
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 4: veteran currently serving, you have to remember that if you

588
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 4: know somebody in the Guard, if you know someone in

589
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 4: the Marines, if you know someone in the military, the

590
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 4: last thing those folks want to do is be forced

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Speaker 4: to turn on citizens of the United States. The police

592
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Speaker 4: are supposed to be doing that job. Not saying they're

593
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Speaker 4: turning on, but the police are supposed to interact with

594
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Speaker 4: civilians in a law keeping fashion. Military against the civilians

595
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: historically leads to bad things across governments, whatever stripe of

596
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Speaker 4: government we're talking about, not just democracy. So when we

597
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 4: hear news, regardless of where it's coming from, let's be

598
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Speaker 4: very careful not to not to think of these people

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Speaker 4: serving as some monolithic entity. People in the National Guard.

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Speaker 4: I feel safe saying this. The vast majority don't wake

601
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Speaker 4: up every day saying, oh, I hope I can bruise

602
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Speaker 4: some heads somewhere. I can't wait for the potus to

603
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Speaker 4: send me to kick around homeless people.

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Speaker 3: That is not the case, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's really tough because it's happening at the

606
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Speaker 2: same time that there are masked help you know, Homeland

607
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Speaker 2: Security folks and ICE folks in the same streets doing

608
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Speaker 2: raids where they are. You know, there have been so

609
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: many reports of the violence that's occurring with those guys,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's hard for maybe someone who is

611
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Speaker 2: a civilian who doesn't isn't exposed to a lot of

612
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: this stuff and doesn't have that perspective just watching all

613
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Speaker 2: of it occur and then trying to discern, like, well,

614
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Speaker 2: who's who and is anybody actually on the team of

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Speaker 2: people that's there to serve and protect or like, what

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Speaker 2: is happening and what is this? And I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's just a lot of fear. I think that ends

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Speaker 2: up getting generated through that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed, And the point I wanted to end on

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Speaker 4: there is the idea of constitutional crisis normalizing the presence

621
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Speaker 4: of armed forces against civilians, similar to our conversation about

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Speaker 4: the militarization of police that occurs in step with normalizing

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Speaker 4: the erosion of the constitution. Democracy is an active experiment, right,

624
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 4: we're cooking live, which means it is fragile and without

625
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 4: being alarmist, Dear anonymous caller, this does feel to me

626
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Speaker 4: like an episode, and unfortunately it feels like a timely episode.

627
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Speaker 4: There's so much more I want to say. I gotta

628
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Speaker 4: be careful on this one, guys, but I think stay

629
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Speaker 4: tuned and stay safe.

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Speaker 2: There's a great piece in CNN that talks about the

631
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Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight riots after the assassination of Martin Luther

632
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Speaker 2: King Junior. That's when riots in the streets were happening

633
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Speaker 2: in Washington, DC and there were a ton of fires,

634
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Speaker 2: there were it was chaos, and that is when the

635
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Speaker 2: National Guard was deployed there, perhaps most notably when there

636
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Speaker 2: was an actual emergency situation where the National Guard had

637
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Speaker 2: to in a large part, attempt to control civilians that

638
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Speaker 2: were pissed off and really angry and scared. And it

639
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 2: makes me nervous that something could happen where enough people

640
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: would be angry that they would want to protest or

641
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: you know, go into the streets for one reason or

642
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Speaker 2: another sometime in the near future, and then there would

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Speaker 2: be this force. They would be met with this force again,

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Speaker 2: masked up and ready to rock against civilians.

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Speaker 6: It seems like a lot of testing of the waters too,

646
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Speaker 6: Like how, you know, can we justify some of these

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Speaker 6: acts by throwing out these somewhat misused statistics and get

648
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Speaker 6: certain people towing the party line publicly? You know, there's

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Speaker 6: been a lot of talk on Capitol Hill from folks

650
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Speaker 6: talking about there's one particular lawmaker I can't remember the name,

651
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Speaker 6: but talking about how he drives around DC with his

652
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Speaker 6: seat belt on because he's afraid of a carjacking and

653
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Speaker 6: he doesn't want to, you know, be compromised. You know,

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Speaker 6: he's I don't care what you think about me, but

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Speaker 6: that's that scary here. And you know, and I was

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Speaker 6: listening to a conversation I think it was on the

657
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Speaker 6: Majority Report where the guest was talking who is like

658
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Speaker 6: a Capitol Hill kind of commentator who lives there, said

659
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Speaker 6: there certainly was a spike in carjackings in past years,

660
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Speaker 6: and there have been spikes in crime, but the way

661
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 6: it's being reported now feels much more hyperbolic than it

662
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Speaker 6: does feel like the reality on the streets that's happening today,

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Speaker 6: and it seems more like cherry picking in order to

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Speaker 6: justify an act, and that kind of thing can happen anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy stuff, you guys. Thank you so much anonymous

666
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Speaker 2: person for just sending us those messages. If you are

667
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: out there and you hear something and you want to

668
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Speaker 2: tell us about it, we would love to hear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again, and let's all be safe. We'll be right

671
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Speaker 2: back with more messages from you.

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Speaker 3: And we have returned.

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Speaker 4: We're going to do a quick double back, Dylan, I

674
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Speaker 4: defer to you Tennessee to give us whatever a double

675
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Speaker 4: back sound que sounds like perfect, that's real, trustful, we

676
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Speaker 4: do it in the edit, folks, why are we doubling back?

677
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Speaker 4: We're doubling back to our conversation with mister Delay, just

678
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Speaker 4: because it bears repeating the concept as you recall, as

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Speaker 4: you recall the concept of perishable land navigation skills, the

680
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Speaker 4: void does right back. We reached out to mister Delay,

681
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Speaker 4: and when we reach out on the email, you know

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Speaker 4: we can all we can all see this conversation. Wanted

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Speaker 4: to take a moment to be an account of Bill

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Speaker 4: a buddy with you, mister Delay, because we wholeheartedly agree

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Speaker 4: with your point about this perishability. And this prompted another

686
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Speaker 4: conversation that we've been having on and off again in

687
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Speaker 4: Strange News and listener Mail in episodes about automation and

688
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: technology and the cybernetic future of the human mind. It's

689
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Speaker 4: crazy because the normalization of cell and GPS technology has

690
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Speaker 4: put most folks from developed countries in a very tight spot.

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Speaker 4: One of my favorite examples that we use for this

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Speaker 4: when we were talking about AI was the advent of

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Speaker 4: accessible electronic calculators, right that resulted in this decline and

694
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Speaker 4: intermediate math skills, like when's the last time you guys

695
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 4: had to do some hand drawn long division.

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Speaker 6: It's funny you say that I just had to order

697
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Speaker 6: a TI eight three for my kid, and it was

698
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Speaker 6: fun to see the way they're packaging them these days.

699
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Speaker 6: They're a little skinnier, a little sleeker, looking the same

700
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Speaker 6: old tie three. I wonder if you can still put

701
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Speaker 6: snake on it or drug wars.

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Speaker 4: We should do a history of Texas Instruments. Gosh, what

703
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Speaker 4: a monopoly they have.

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Speaker 5: Anila on prairie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, did you make

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Speaker 3: that up?

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Speaker 5: No, that's what they call it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's amazing part of Texas.

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Speaker 6: I wish there's a part of Texas that's where Texas

710
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Speaker 6: Instruments was based, that was referred to as the Silicon Prairie.

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Speaker 4: Matt, have you when's the last time you've done some

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Speaker 4: I like saying hand drawn long division because it sounds

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Speaker 4: old timy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you've got a kid going through like fourth grade,

716
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: heading in one in fifth grade, there's some long division

717
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: that you got to do to help the kids with

718
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Speaker 2: their stuff. So you got to remember it is not fun.

719
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Speaker 5: I just prefer to use my trustee emicus.

720
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Speaker 3: It's not like riding a bike. It's this is this is.

721
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Speaker 4: Interesting because fellow conspiracy realist too, maybe of certain professional

722
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 4: acumen or a certain age, you are probably astonished by

723
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Speaker 4: how quickly generations after you became reliant on smartphones, right

724
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Speaker 4: on Texas instruments, on cell phones, on smartphone mapping. And

725
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Speaker 4: this is the accountability part, mister Delay. As you know,

726
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Speaker 4: shared a story about two years back outside of the

727
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Speaker 4: United States where your faithful correspondent did have to use

728
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Speaker 4: a physical map in the dead of night and had

729
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Speaker 4: that stomach churning. Oh god, what was that movie where

730
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Speaker 4: the little kid says the F word? Oh Christmas story, Judge, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I had a Christmas story moment, oh fudge, But I

732
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Speaker 4: didn't say fudge because I realized I wasn't sure exactly

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Speaker 4: where I was, which is pretty key information if you

734
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Speaker 4: want to read a map effectively. I also didn't have

735
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Speaker 4: topographical information, and as we all know, strolling on relatively

736
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 4: flat terrain is way easier and way cooler than accidentally

737
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Speaker 4: going up and down a mountain, a cliff, a ravine.

738
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Speaker 4: So I just I'm sharing that just to emphasize the

739
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Speaker 4: point that.

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Speaker 3: Practice, how'd you say.

741
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Speaker 5: It, practice makes permanent.

742
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Speaker 4: Practice makes permanent love it. So with that, we're going

743
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Speaker 4: to move through some emails pretty quickly here for time,

744
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Speaker 4: and we'll see if we have if we've got our

745
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 4: Jimmy's about us and want to do some letters from home.

746
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Speaker 4: At the end, we've already had fantastic, phenomenal and disturbing

747
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Speaker 4: responses to chapter one of our Jeffrey Epstein Update. Chapter

748
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Speaker 4: two will have published by the time you're hearing this

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Speaker 4: listener mail program. So one thing that we noticed, we're

750
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Speaker 4: hearing from folks like Samuel or Solar Boarden or steel Wolf.

751
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Speaker 4: We're seeing a pattern of people responding to our exploration

752
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Speaker 4: of the controversial videotape or the tape footage released by

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Speaker 4: the doj Us government at all. It's a tape not

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Speaker 4: of Jeffrey Epstein's cell, but outside of the cell. Analysts

755
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 4: working with Wired and Wall Street Journal and a bevy

756
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Speaker 4: of other folks have proven that the tape is not

757
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Speaker 4: what it was sold as to the American people. And

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Speaker 4: with this, I think we should go to just one

759
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 4: letter that shows us the vein of thinking here and

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Speaker 4: why there may be more to the story of the tape.

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Speaker 4: This is steel Wolf. Steel Wolf, you say, hello, guys,

762
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Speaker 4: I've listened to you all for close to a decade.

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Speaker 4: I am ex military and I have worked at the

764
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Speaker 4: White House for two presidents. I have a long list,

765
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Speaker 4: but these are relevant. I also worked for a three

766
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Speaker 4: letter agency in Korea and Maryland and obviously still Wolf.

767
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 4: You mean CNN, that's the three letter agency to whom

768
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Speaker 4: you refer. You say, I have always thought of writing,

769
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Speaker 4: but this one made me reach out. An old friend

770
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Speaker 4: and I have discussed this from the first term in office,

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Speaker 4: and we expected him, meaning the current president, to have

772
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Speaker 4: smarter people working for him, and we're relieved that he

773
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Speaker 4: had not collaborated better. There is speculation between us that

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Speaker 4: he again, the current president has corrected that failing in

775
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Speaker 4: numerous regards. If old school individuals were involved, they would

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Speaker 4: have released the Epstein video the way it was knowingly

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Speaker 4: and intentionally. Let's pause there, Let's think about it. Because

778
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Speaker 4: the idea that we could so easily find discrepancies in

779
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Speaker 4: the story makes it a headline. It gives people a

780
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Speaker 4: mystery to unpack. It's sort of like the old anecdote

781
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Speaker 4: of a teenager who doesn't want their parents to know

782
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 4: they're smoking weed, so they leave a cigarette butt around

783
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Speaker 4: to be discovered. The parent feels like they're finding a secret, right,

784
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Speaker 4: but they're not finding the real thing.

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Speaker 3: So Bazar.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we'll go a little bit further and then let's

787
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Speaker 4: open it up here. Stele Wolf, you say this has

788
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Speaker 4: people focused on discussing the video as it is the

789
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Speaker 4: only thing they have to discuss. It plays into the

790
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 4: way true news is reported. You all pointed out all

791
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Speaker 4: the other items like from the camera to the guard

792
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Speaker 4: shift changes, but that speculation and discussion will be limited

793
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Speaker 4: and not what most people will remember. There are people

794
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Speaker 4: still researching this and they may not find all the

795
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Speaker 4: actual proof. However, if three to six months later the

796
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Speaker 4: whole video is released show nothing or just the one

797
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 4: person leaving, the majority of people will just accept. As

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Speaker 4: you all know, this is not the first and regardless

799
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Speaker 4: of how this event plays out, it will not be

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Speaker 4: the last. Now let's stop there. You guys, what do

801
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Speaker 4: you think of this, this theory or this line of

802
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 4: thought that there may be more to the story of

803
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Speaker 4: how the video was released.

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Speaker 6: It feels undoubtedly the case that there's something of this

805
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Speaker 6: breadcrumbing technique. It just seems like classic subterfuge, you know,

806
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 6: classic distraction, give them just enough to shut them up.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and the way it was done. If you

808
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: release this video in this fashion, that's clearly stitched together.

809
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: It gives you an opportunity, as Steele Wolf is saying,

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Speaker 2: to release the actual unedited one. But that actual unedited

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Speaker 2: one could be a completely recreated video. You know, you

812
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: could you could make you could do so much. In

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Speaker 2: the amount of time that this video has been in

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Speaker 2: the news and through the cycle and everything, it could

815
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Speaker 2: be used as a smoke screen for whatever actual activities

816
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Speaker 2: are being done right now. That makes sense, it certainly.

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Speaker 2: It certainly caught my my attention really well. So I

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Speaker 2: feel like a sucker a bit.

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Speaker 6: When do you think we're gonna have the first confirmed

820
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Speaker 6: use of deep fakes by the government uncovered?

821
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Speaker 5: Do you think that's gonna happen?

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Speaker 9: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Stalin era? You know, that guy was a legend of

824
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Speaker 4: the air photoshop manual photoshop.

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Speaker 6: But I just mean in this era, like, do you

826
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Speaker 6: think we're going we're going to have some sort of uh,

827
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Speaker 6: you know, scandal involving faked information released by the government

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Speaker 6: to cover something up.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent, Yeah, it'll be in retrospect.

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Speaker 2: Greeny security footage would certainly be a good starting point

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Speaker 2: the candidate because you wouldn't be able to prove exactly

832
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Speaker 2: that it's that person. But you know, you could say, well,

833
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: there's that is the person. There's Emstein walking right there.

834
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Speaker 2: He's fine.

835
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And if the camera is far enough away, you

836
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Speaker 4: could just color it a few pixels, you know what

837
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Speaker 4: I mean, bigfoot style. That's that's who got into the cell. Look,

838
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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody is being a sucker by looking

839
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Speaker 4: at this video stuff, right, like looking at the metadata.

840
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Speaker 4: As we discussed, as the analyst and the journalist explored,

841
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Speaker 4: these are questions that need to be asked. And what

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00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 4: I think steel Wolf and several of our other fellow

843
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 4: listeners are asking about now is a sort of meta

844
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 4: narrative question, right, Like we're saying you, guys saw we

845
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Speaker 4: responded to steel Wolf directly via email.

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Speaker 3: How'd you put it?

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Speaker 1: Man?

848
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Speaker 3: We put it the same way too. The idea that

849
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Speaker 3: you could by time from the news cycle, right, you can?

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00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 3: You can?

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Speaker 4: You know, you can be the kid who is hiding

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Speaker 4: the fact that you're smoking weed by being quote unquote

853
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 4: discovered leaving a cigarette butt around. You know, you gave

854
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Speaker 4: people a contained mystery to solve. We don't know if

855
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 4: that's true, personally, guys, I suspect it is not implausible, right,

856
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 4: especially if we're talking about this new era of skullduggery

857
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Speaker 4: and shenanigans. It's not that hard to fake stuff, right,

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Speaker 4: and we use the term deep fake, but I think

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Speaker 4: in this case, deep fake makes it sound more difficult

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Speaker 4: than it is. You can just regular fake the news

861
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 4: at this point totally.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean we're not to mention that, like,

863
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Speaker 6: just this this culture of deep fake and of AI

864
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Speaker 6: and all this stuff has just created a palpable sense

865
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Speaker 6: of distrust in anything that people see. So it's easier

866
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Speaker 6: than ever to say don't trust what you see.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so let's stay on that pathway, because this

868
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Speaker 2: is really interesting. So today, on Tuesday, August nineteenth, when

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Speaker 2: we're recording this, the Justice Department is beginning to, like

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Speaker 2: today send records to the House Oversight Committee. And I

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Speaker 2: wonder if that thing, the compartmentalization of the House Oversight

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Speaker 2: Committee right from the Department of Justice getting those files.

873
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 2: Do you think that's another way to kind of seem

874
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 2: as though something's happening, seem as though they're just transparency.

875
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: But ultimately it all goes to the House Oversight Committee

876
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: and then they will choose what is disseminated or not.

877
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

878
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's definitely a difference between performative progress, the appearance

879
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 4: of progress, and actually moving forward on things like this.

880
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 4: You can always buy more time in the relentless news cycle. So,

881
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 4: you know, one of the difficult things about what philosophers

882
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 4: and pundits sometimes called post truth politics.

883
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 3: One of the most difficult things is.

884
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 5: The nineteen eighty four term is it not just yeah?

885
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 4: One of the most difficult things is the idea of

886
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 4: figuring out, parsing out, sussing out what to focus on. Right,

887
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 4: we were talking with the excellent Danish Schwartz and Lizzie

888
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 4: Logan about their newest podcast, Hoax, And in that conversation

889
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 4: we came across a really interesting idea. Is it easier

890
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 4: or more difficult to perpetrate a hoax to mislead the

891
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 4: public now that it was in say, we'll go back

892
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 4: to it in the fourteen hundreds. Right in the fourteen

893
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 4: hundreds instead of the New York Times, you had the

894
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 4: town crier and you kind of had to hope that

895
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 4: guy was on the up and up. Is it I'm

896
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 4: really interested in your thoughts here, guys. Is it easier

897
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 4: to pull the wool over the public guy now than

898
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 4: it was in the Middle Ages or is it more difficult.

899
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it was really easy then, because just

900
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: of how information gets out there and share, right.

901
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 6: Draw a convincing picture of a person, and all of

902
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 6: a sudden they're a criminal, right, like slap them on

903
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 6: a wanted poster, you know what I mean?

904
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: Like all you needed was a little power authority and

905
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 2: just say something happened, and it happened.

906
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 4: You know, we're just a little bit of riz, you know,

907
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 4: like I used to rock up to Bavaria and just say, yeah,

908
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 4: I'm Baron von Herringbone, which is a name I made up,

909
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 4: but nobody else could travel to checking On from Bavaria.

910
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, from earlier.

911
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 5: That's a that's a real tongue twister. It's a lot,

912
00:54:59,080 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 5: I think.

913
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 6: I think when we asked that question on that episode

914
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 6: of Ridiculous History with Dana and her co host made

915
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 6: when we were having that conversation on Ridiculous History, was

916
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 6: that it's sort of.

917
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 5: Like yes and no.

918
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 6: It's easier now, but it's yes and no for so

919
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 6: many things, Like on the one hand, we have access

920
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 6: to the entirety of the wealth of human civilizations, knowledge

921
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 6: and lessons learned, and historical precedent and everything. But on

922
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 6: the other hand, it's all so clouded and convoluted with

923
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 6: bull crap and misdirection and all of these distractions that

924
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 6: it's almost like we might as well not have the

925
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 6: information depending on who you are and how easily distracted

926
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 6: or you know, misled you might be. And it's not

927
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 6: saying people are stupider now or we're stupid back then,

928
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 6: even it's just it's just different. And I think we're

929
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 6: just living in this culture of deceit and disbelief and

930
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 6: that can be weaponized by bad actors.

931
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 2: It's an interesting concept to think about the reaction to

932
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: something that occurs, right, the wold being pulled over our

933
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: eyes and then you find out, right, how do you

934
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 2: guys think it's harder to get a physical, actual reaction

935
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 2: from people now to something that occurs like that, or

936
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: then it would be then you can get the pitchforks

937
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: and everything. I feel like maybe that is much harder

938
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: to do now.

939
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 4: Talking about desensitization of encountering topical stories in a post

940
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 4: truth politics environment, right, so much anxiety of what can

941
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 4: be accepted as a fact. The world is ending somewhere

942
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 4: for someone every day it's always Halloween in America. I

943
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 4: am emotionally exhausted from the existential crisis of Tuesday, and

944
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 4: now I have to learn about some new horrible stuff

945
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 4: on Wednesday. Please just show me some videos of that

946
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 4: guy in Thailand who rescues street dogs. Let me put

947
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 4: my head in the sand and check out for just

948
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 4: the moment. That is very much real.

949
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 6: Well, it is, and we're also like, we're uniquely in

950
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 6: a place where we could verify and cross reference and

951
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 6: fact check most things, but people just don't. They just

952
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 6: believe the headline if it's inflammatory enough or if it

953
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 6: supports their particular worldview enough. So I think that's what

954
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 6: I was getting at, where it's this yes and no, like, yeah,

955
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 6: we have access to everything we need to be smarter,

956
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 6: but we just choose not to do it to use

957
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 6: it because we're like so kind of easily spellbound by

958
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 6: this kind of throwaway culture of like, you know, little

959
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 6: nuggets of information and headlines and stuff.

960
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 4: And to add on to that, everybody listening there is

961
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 4: another there is a meta grift afoot. And I don't

962
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 4: know if it's a conspiracy. I just think it's unfair

963
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 4: to everyone who is tuning in everyone who is trying

964
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 4: to live their life.

965
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 3: Evening to evening.

966
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 4: The burden of the truth is now on the consumer, right,

967
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 4: just like so many other things in the United States

968
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 4: and in modern human civilization.

969
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 5: Right.

970
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 4: The clever conspiracy of recycling, for instance, was that it

971
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 4: put the burden of the environmental damage of plastic onto

972
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 4: the consumer instead of on the companies. So they're very

973
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 4: in a similar way, not to sound too academia about it,

974
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 4: but in a similar way, the burden of proving the

975
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 4: truth has been placed on the civilian, right, on the audience,

976
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 4: on the person who already probably has a job.

977
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 5: Right.

978
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 4: So people are not holding the media accountable. People are

979
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 4: very much not holding the government accountable to things that

980
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 4: are supposed to be a source of discourse and truth.

981
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 4: And this is not to denigrate all the very hard

982
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 4: working politicians, especially at a local level in your neck

983
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 4: of the global woods. This is not to denigrate the

984
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 4: journalists who are increasingly out there risking their lives to

985
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 4: speak truth to power. But this is saying that I

986
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 4: think it's a grift. I think the post truth society

987
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 4: is quite unfair to the average human being.

988
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: See, there's a really interesting story in the news right

989
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 2: now that meets up in all of those places been

990
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 2: with the I don't know the full story, but the

991
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: Democrats and Republicans fighting in Texas about.

992
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 3: Redistricting and here's a hall pass.

993
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:55,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the story about Nicole Collier who's a representative

994
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: there in one of the areas, and she refused to

995
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: s sign a piece of paper where the state troopers

996
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 2: were going to monitor every one of the lawmakers, like

997
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: as they left and then where yeah, escort, but and

998
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: escort twenty four hours, right, So she refuses to sign

999
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: a paper that said that. So now I guess she

1000
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: stayed the night in the courthouse or something, or wherever

1001
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: where it is they do their business, and she's not

1002
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: going to be able to leave, I guess because she's

1003
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 2: refusing this kind of police presence, which is just an

1004
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 2: interesting place where it's government and the police in one thing.

1005
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, right, And then tomorrow there will be

1006
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 4: another disaster. The world is ended somewhere. Every day it

1007
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 4: is always Halloween in America. This sounds vague, but it

1008
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 4: makes more and more sense the more you think about it.

1009
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 4: I'd love to hang out with our buddy George. Unfortunately

1010
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 4: he has passed. It would have been cool to hear

1011
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 4: what he thought about this. So in lieu of talking

1012
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 4: with George, maybe we end here on a quote from him.

1013
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 4: In the end, the party would announce that two and

1014
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 4: two made five, and you would have to believe it.

1015
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 4: It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner

1016
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 4: or later. The logic of their position demanded it. Not

1017
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 4: merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of

1018
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 4: external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. WHOA we

1019
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 4: should do it in that accident.

1020
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 3: In the end, the part would announce it two May

1021
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 3: five sorows we're talking about orwell then George.

1022
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 6: Of course, some might argue that Soros is a bit

1023
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 6: of an or figure as well as.

1024
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 3: Well, keep it, keep it, You're totally right.

1025
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 4: One of us has to take one for the team

1026
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 4: and figure out a good George Soros accent.

1027
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 6: Who even sound like I've never heard the man speak,

1028
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 6: doesn't even exist, billionaire Grecian dude.

1029
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: I found him at the World Economic Forum. I'm going

1030
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 2: to see what he sounds like.

1031
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 4: Classic George Soros. So, while we are researching our George

1032
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 4: Soros accent, for Dylan to do in the future.

1033
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 3: We're just gonna volunteer you for that one.

1034
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 4: But we uh, we do want to tell you that

1035
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 4: in these divisive times where it's very difficult to separate

1036
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 4: fact from fiction, to separate falsehoods from the truth, we

1037
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 4: do have one thing that is very true that we

1038
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 4: can tell you. We are going to do an episode

1039
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 4: about the Bermuda Triangle live from the Bermuda.

1040
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 5: Triangle because permission and everything.

1041
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 2: We're gonna do it with with the ocean, the vast ocean.

1042
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 3: Deep.

1043
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 6: Out there, We're gonna go deep on the deep and

1044
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 6: they hope. Man, man, I'm a little freaked out, guys,

1045
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 6: I know it's going to be. The folks at Virgin

1046
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 6: Cruises are gonna take good care of us. Isn't it

1047
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 6: funny that they call they call all their cruise passengers sailors.

1048
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 6: That was new to me. I thought that was fun.

1049
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 6: But I am a little nervous. I've never been on

1050
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 6: a cruise before, never even been on a vessel of

1051
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 6: this size. Is just like a pontoon boat or a ferry.

1052
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 6: That's about my experience.

1053
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll confront your thilasophobia, which is of course the

1054
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 4: fancy word for fear of deep bodies of water.

1055
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 6: Have Yeah, I know I fear the unseen large creatures

1056
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 6: lurking just beneath the surface in the depths.

1057
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: Did you guys see that for the first time, a

1058
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: colossal squid was caught on camera by some deep sea

1059
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: researchers and it's submersible, like.

1060
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 5: Deep fake researchers. No, it was probably. I know it

1061
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 5: was real, but some of those things you look at

1062
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 5: and you're like, not fake. But it's not always.

1063
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 3: But it was just a widtle baby, right, It was

1064
01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 3: still transparent. I hope it grows. The ocean is a

1065
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 3: tough neighborhood.

1066
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 4: Now we need to do another episode about for your

1067
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 4: type clift. But when we do this stuff on the

1068
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 4: high seas, we are going to be part of a

1069
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 4: true crime cruise with our pals at Virgin October tenth

1070
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 4: through the fifteenth. We would love for you all to

1071
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,479
Speaker 4: join us. And thanks to everybody who already reached out

1072
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 4: and asked if we're actually going to be on the boat.

1073
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 4: As a rule, we don't like to tell people where

1074
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 4: we're at or when we're going to be at a place.

1075
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 4: That's just operational security. But for this we're making an exception,

1076
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 4: please join us.

1077
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're pparently going to be hosting things, so we'll

1078
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 6: be like doing meet and greets and hanging out and

1079
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 6: doing trivia and we're just going to be well, we're

1080
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 6: all in it together.

1081
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 7: You know.

1082
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 5: There in the midst of the Bermuda triangle.

1083
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 2: There may even be an excursion.

1084
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 5: I've heard tale of an excursion take a deep dive

1085
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 5: scuba wise.

1086
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 4: More to come on that, and hopefully more to come

1087
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 4: from you, friends and neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists. Thank you

1088
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 4: for joining us this evening. We've got more stuff that

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Speaker 4: is going to lead to episodes in the future, and

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Speaker 4: we would love for you to join up on our

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Speaker 4: strange enterprise, our continuing mission to boldly go into weirder

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Speaker 4: and weirder territory. So give us a call, send us

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Speaker 4: an email the void rights back, and find us on

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Speaker 4: the lines.

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Speaker 6: M hmm. Indeed, you can find us the handle conspiracy Stuff,

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Speaker 6: where we exist on Facebook with our Facebook group.

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Speaker 5: Here's where it gets.

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Speaker 6: Crazy, getting them the conversation with your fellow conspiracy realists. Also,

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Speaker 6: we exist at that handle on x FKA, Twitter and

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Speaker 6: on YouTube with video content for your deep diving pleasure.

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Speaker 5: On Instagram and TikTok. However, we're conspiracy stuff show and

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Speaker 5: there's more.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, there's so more, guys. Here's George Soros.

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Speaker 7: That there's one version who was very deeply involved in Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there you go.

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Speaker 7: That's just.

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Speaker 5: Y didn't realize how ancient he was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's kissinger with a lisp.

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Speaker 5: You guys.

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Speaker 2: All right, Hey, we have an assignment. Call in. Our

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Speaker 2: number is one eight three three st d w y

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Speaker 2: t K. It's a voicemail. Give us your best George

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Speaker 2: Soros or just impersonation.

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Speaker 3: Let's do that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we ever called for impersonations, guys.

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Speaker 5: Got that'd be a fun little grab bag.

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Speaker 2: Please, it'd be fun to try and figure out what

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Speaker 2: you're doing when you leave your message. That'd be really fun.

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Speaker 2: But yes, call that number one eight three three st

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Speaker 2: d w y t K. You got three minutes. Give

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Speaker 2: yourself a cool nickname and let us know if we

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Speaker 2: can use your name and message on the air. If

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Speaker 2: you want to send us text and images and links

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Speaker 2: and all the good stuff, why not instead send us

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Speaker 2: an email.

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Speaker 9: We are.

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Speaker 4: Read each piece of correspondence we receive. Be well aware

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Speaker 4: yet I'm afraid sometimes the void writes back. If you

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Speaker 4: want to know more about some of the stuff we

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Speaker 4: alluded to in tonight's listener mail program, and if you'd

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Speaker 4: like to just get a random, out of context fact,

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Speaker 4: we would love to share one with you. So join

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Speaker 4: us out here in the dark conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't Want You to Know is a production

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