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Speaker 1: Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room

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Speaker 2: The Star in Frasco.

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Speaker 3: Now your hosts Votch Lombardy, Nick Harris, Bobby Belt, Tommy

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Speaker 3: Yarish and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 4: Today is Tuesday, January tenth, twenty twenty six, and we

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Speaker 4: are now a wopping seventy two days away from the.

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Speaker 5: NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 4: Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by Miller Lte, the

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Speaker 4: only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. This segment is brought

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Speaker 4: to you by your Texas for dealers, Ford is the

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Speaker 4: best in Texas. We've got everybody back in the building today.

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Speaker 4: We've got Vach Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Bobby Belt,

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Speaker 4: I'm Kyle Yeomans with Chris.

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Speaker 5: Beam in the back.

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Speaker 4: As always appreciate you joining us and gentlemen, it's good

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Speaker 4: to have you guys back from Super Bowl week watch

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Speaker 4: and I held it down with Aisha Morrison last week.

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Speaker 4: Had a fun couple of shows, but it's good to

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Speaker 4: have the group back in the fold.

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Speaker 5: Bobby, it's good to see him.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's great to be here.

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Speaker 5: What do you uh?

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Speaker 6: I was just having Day three flashbacks, that's all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure we're gonna get there soon enough.

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Speaker 5: We get there soon enough. Was that watch? But I was, yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it was great.

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Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 7: It was exhausting, but we're lucky to do what we do.

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Speaker 7: So definitely, did you get any you get scoops?

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Speaker 5: Do you know who Dallas is drafting? While being out there?

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Speaker 8: It combines typically the time for scoops, whereas like I

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Speaker 8: spent all last week like tracking down what international game

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Speaker 8: I think the Cowboys would be playing in, and then

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Speaker 8: I guess. I woke up Thursday morning, I was like,

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Speaker 8: I think it's gonna be Rio, And sure enough Rio

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Speaker 8: was announced like three thirty on Thursday afternoon.

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Speaker 9: I will say, though, props that last week, out of

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Speaker 9: all the articles to come out of Dallas, MEBA last week,

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Speaker 9: Nix was the best. Next article The Star Telegram on

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Speaker 9: Friday was very good of his chat with Jerry nice.

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Speaker 10: Big pink drink guy.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, apparently apparently I feel the waiter stuff.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 4: Did you ask them your normal because you you don't

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Speaker 4: drink other than Miller, Like, but you asked him, did

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Speaker 4: you ask him, like, what's your favorite?

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Speaker 5: Like mocktail? Is that what it was?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 5: No, no, I was just he's done that a couple

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Speaker 5: of times with us.

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Speaker 8: I have, yeah, And I was like, I don't know

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Speaker 8: if I could say mocktail, you know, with a straight

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Speaker 8: face at the table. So I Joe Hoyd Dallas wanted news.

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Speaker 8: He was like, let me get an old fashioned I

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Speaker 8: was like, I'll do the same thing. And I was like, hey,

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Speaker 8: I don't drink, just kind of help me out here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: He did not help me out one day. I should

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Speaker 8: have just asked for.

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Speaker 2: He was worse sweet tea, whiskey glass and some fruit

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Speaker 2: on top of They were.

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Speaker 8: On the West Coast. They don't do sweet tea like that.

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Speaker 8: Even if they did, I wouldn't drink it. No, all

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Speaker 8: you guys, it's just for the look, that's what look? Yeah, right,

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Speaker 8: And I get that, Yeah, but I also wanted if

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Speaker 8: I'm paying for it, I wanted to taste it. There's

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Speaker 8: like a seventy five dollars pink drink.

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Speaker 2: You want your cake and eat it too.

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Speaker 6: You just do the sprite with like a linement it.

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Speaker 8: I will say, uh, there was a recommendation I got

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Speaker 8: there was like, hey, just ask for a jack and

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Speaker 8: coke hold the jack.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, that's that I should have done that.

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Speaker 2: That would have been perfect.

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Speaker 4: Actually, yea jack and PEPSI yeah, yeah, Jack and miller light, yeah, Miller.

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Speaker 5: There you go.

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Speaker 10: What's missed out from this is our water bird?

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Speaker 6: Hey, I've combined those before. They're not.

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Speaker 7: Was our It was our thirty minute Spanish translation session

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Speaker 7: while we were trying to figure out where the Cowboys

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Speaker 7: were playing their international game, as I was the only

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Speaker 7: Spanish speaker of this and we were just trying to

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Speaker 10: Okay, so and says going here, So and so is

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Speaker 2: Good, it's a good.

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Speaker 5: Time, cool story, Tommy.

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Speaker 10: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: That's obvious.

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Speaker 2: I thought super political that.

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Speaker 9: I just knew you do it what speaking Spanish?

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Speaker 7: Okay, I'm never doing on.

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Speaker 2: He was about to say, I was translating bad, but so.

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Speaker 5: Much fun for a bunch of.

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Speaker 6: All are wrong about Keldrick Falk though.

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Speaker 5: So you know, we'll tell me why why are we?

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Speaker 5: Why are we wrong about Keldrick fall Oh?

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't want to shoot the wheels off totally.

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Speaker 9: But no, I just think that with Keldrick Falk. I'm

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Speaker 9: just trying to get this back on on draft. Yeah, yeah, No,

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Speaker 9: I would not want Keldrick Fall because like that's my

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Speaker 9: top choice at twelve, probably not my top choice at

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Speaker 9: twenty either, But like I can at least see the

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Speaker 9: vision with how some of these headge rushers have played

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Speaker 9: over the last couple years that you look at the

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Speaker 9: frame he say, all right, we're having to project out

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Speaker 9: a little bit based on what he had done at Auburn.

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Speaker 9: We're gonna be asking him to do some different things,

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Speaker 9: and but we should be able to happen that. To me,

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Speaker 9: you're a lot of ways, whenever you get a new

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Speaker 9: hedge rusher, you're kind of starting them over in a

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Speaker 6: And so I just wouldn't right off Keldric Falk just

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Speaker 2: That's all I'm right now. Keldrick fuck at twelve and twenty,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like we had a thirty

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Speaker 2: I just think it's a lot more guys at twenty

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Speaker 2: have as cowboy people is do you think the cowboys

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Speaker 2: He'll be a five sick for you. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But I'm trying to get one of

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Speaker 2: dominezeraku a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And with the way that they've hired this staff

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Speaker 5: Headed in that regard.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you do want one of those stand up adretcher

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Speaker 4: I think we've seen because of the recent history and

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Speaker 4: what it took for Seattle and for New England to

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Speaker 4: those teams woke up on Sunday morning of Super Bowl

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Speaker 4: get to the super Bowl. Nobody really woke up believing that.

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Speaker 4: But they both ended up in Super Bowl sixty. And

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Speaker 4: my whole conversation that I've had in off air conversations

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Speaker 4: to get there. I looked back at Seattle in their

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Speaker 4: draft history, most recently Devin Witherspoon, Jackson Smith, and Jigboth

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Speaker 4: they came out of the same draft in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 4: a fifth overall pick and a twentieth overall pick, So

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Speaker 4: just seven spots collectively in front of Dallas and what

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Speaker 4: would that be five and twenty compared to twelve and twenty.

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Speaker 2: Wetherspoon was five, he was five.

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Speaker 6: That's wild.

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Speaker 4: So with that being said, how does Dallas hit on

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Speaker 4: those two picks? And I know that's kind of a

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Speaker 4: loaded question, but what did Seattle do in those moments

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think a lot of that is just the

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Speaker 8: exactly what goes into all of that. But when you

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Speaker 8: you need those two spots to produce, just like Seattle

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Speaker 8: did when they drafted a corner and drafted a receiver,

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Speaker 8: it's very similar type of situation for the Cowboys. They

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Speaker 8: draft at twelve and twenty. So you know, it's not

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Speaker 8: just those two guys either. You look at Charles Cross

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Speaker 8: this year. You look at Gray's Abel, who I think

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Speaker 8: was the best rookie offensive lineman in the NFL this year.

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Speaker 8: Their twenty twenty four first round draft pick. I'm blanking

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Speaker 8: Iron Murphy Byron Murphy.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, had two sacks and fumble recovery in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 8: They have gotten the most out of their premier draft capital.

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Speaker 8: And when you look at it from the Patriots side too,

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Speaker 8: you look at Christian Gonzalez, Drake May. Even though Will

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Speaker 8: been good at times this year. So you have to

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Speaker 8: hit on this premiere capitol. And you look at it

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Speaker 8: from the Cowboys standpoint, they've already moved on from Monzie

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Speaker 8: Smith in twenty twenty three, twenty four, Tyler Guidon. He

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Speaker 8: at a national rate. Here in the NFL twenty five.

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Speaker 8: I think Tyler Booker's gonna end up being a hit.

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Speaker 8: But I think it's more crucial now more than ever,

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Speaker 8: There is so much pressure on these two picks to

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Speaker 8: hit because if they don't, and they throw those two

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Speaker 8: because that's what you do when you draft first round

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Speaker 8: guys and they don't perform to that level, then you're

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Speaker 8: wasting your window that you have left, and this window

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Speaker 8: is closing by by the day.

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Speaker 7: Well, the other thing, too, is not just do they

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Speaker 7: hit on these first round picks, but they stack them

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Speaker 7: year after year, and like Nick mentioned, you know you

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Speaker 7: got the Witherspoons, JSN, Byron Murphy, grays Abel all those

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Speaker 7: is three consecutive years, got three starting caliber star players.

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Speaker 7: And same thing with New England. Will Campbell this year.

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Speaker 7: I think he's going to be just fine. Drake May

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Speaker 7: the year before that, Gonzalees the year before that. So

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Speaker 7: not only do you have to you know, pick the

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Speaker 7: right guys in second through seventh rounds, which I think

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Speaker 7: talking about the Patriots, I mean when you look at

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Speaker 7: their entire draft class, all those guys were big time

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Speaker 8: I just wrote about this in the Star Telegram yesterday.

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Speaker 8: In the free agent market, they have to I'm with

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Speaker 9: They just really quickly on that friend. There was a

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Speaker 6: Wow. And so now that's still two very different ways

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Speaker 9: Yeah, New England went aggressively after young players to throw

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Speaker 9: It just shows that there are a couple different ways

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Speaker 4: And you still have to have a draft foundation to

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Speaker 5: Had impacts, but not nearly the same as what Seattle

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Speaker 9: Mike Sando at The Athletic wrote an article Monday that

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Speaker 9: New England are showing you that the way to build

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Speaker 9: why I didn't agree with it. You look through there

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Speaker 9: What the hell A J Barner?

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Speaker 9: Barner was a contributor. New England's got contributions all the

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Speaker 9: come Okay, yeah, you drafted Ceedee Lamb, Trayvon Diggs and

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Speaker 8: And New England was able to spin in free agency

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Speaker 8: It makes sense to be able to throw money at

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Speaker 5: To be there.

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Speaker 4: Yea interesting conversation of how they got there, how it

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Speaker 5: How close do you feel like are the Cowboys?

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Speaker 4: Because offensively, I think you could look at it and

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Speaker 5: You need some level.

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Speaker 4: Of success defensively, how close can they be to filling

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Speaker 2: So on that point, let me just ask you all

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 2: Are we putting too much into thinking, Okay, the dudes

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Speaker 2: this year, postseason this year. Bibby done some really good

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Speaker 5: Spots and situations.

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Speaker 2: Sure, and that makes me like run a back a

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Speaker 9: I mean, that's that's why my thought process on this

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Speaker 10: But I mean you look at Seattle's group.

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Speaker 7: And it's just eleven dudes that want to take your

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Speaker 9: It's exceedingly important this year. Yeah, where you have so

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Speaker 4: All of that to say, they got to hit. They

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Speaker 4: This is an interesting question. Small's hds killing me, Smalls.

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Speaker 4: He wants to know what's the most overrated and underrated

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Speaker 4: bit of information about a player or a prospect that

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Speaker 4: comes out of the pre draft process. This is a

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Speaker 4: loaded question because there's a lot of ways you can

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Speaker 4: go with this.

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Speaker 5: Nick.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll start with overrated and shout out to my

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Speaker 8: guy John Owing because he's really made me agree with

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Speaker 8: him on this because there's too many points of data

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Speaker 8: that proved this theory is that arm length with the

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Speaker 8: edge rushers is not as big of a deal as

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Speaker 8: people make it out to be. It's more about what

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Speaker 8: you can do with your arm length. You think about

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Speaker 8: a guy like Carl Lawson, who has made a career

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Speaker 8: out of himself and early and here lately as well,

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Speaker 8: even though he didn't really get a shot last year.

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Speaker 8: Underrated is the character red flags and it's a timely

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Speaker 8: time to talk about it because of the James Pierre

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Speaker 8: situation that happened over the weekend. And you know, last year,

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Speaker 8: I think this show caught some flak for us highlighting

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Speaker 8: those James Pierce issues and me saying that, hey, if

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Speaker 8: I were a team, I would not have him on

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Speaker 8: my board because of the things that have shown up

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Speaker 8: his red flags with him going all the way back

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Speaker 8: to high school. But this is why those things matter.

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Speaker 8: You can't ignore character red flags. And this is exactly why,

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Speaker 8: because James Pierce is now facing a situation where if

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Speaker 8: he is convicted, he is facing a minimum of five

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Speaker 8: years in prison and his career is over. So not

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Speaker 8: only is that a fact on the table, and there's

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Speaker 8: victims in this situation that. But also you look at

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Speaker 8: it from Atlanta standpoint, they traded back into the first

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Speaker 8: round last year to go get James Pierce. Not only

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Speaker 8: did they give up this year's first round pick, they

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Speaker 8: have now given up that spot as well. Sure, yeah,

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Speaker 8: they got ten and a half sacks out of him

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Speaker 8: last year. He was fantastic, great, in my opinion, the

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Speaker 8: runner rup for the defensive Player of the year behind

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Speaker 8: Carson Sweassinger. But now you don't have him, and I

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Speaker 8: don't think that was worth the first round pick at

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Speaker 8: the end of the day. And that's why you can't

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Speaker 8: ignore character red flags.

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 9: We were talking about this on the other week, and

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Speaker 9: you want to be careful not to you know, pigeonholed

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Speaker 9: anyone or give room for growth. I cannot recall the

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Speaker 9: last time there was chattering league circles about somebody being

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Speaker 9: a character flag, where even if they turned out to

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Speaker 9: be a good player, that they didn't have something happened

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Speaker 9: in the NFL. It's almost one hundred percent hit, right yeah,

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Speaker 9: And I mean, like, even so, you've got some guys

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Speaker 9: that who Jalen Carter had a bunch of red flags

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Speaker 9: when he was coming out. Jalen Carter's been a great player.

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Speaker 9: Jaalen Carter's continued to have some problems.

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Speaker 6: Now to the.

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Speaker 9: Varying degree of how bad it is and what happens.

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Speaker 6: All that.

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Speaker 9: Was, it seemed very easy to predict Kelvin Joseph was

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Speaker 9: going to have problems in the NFL, and so those

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Speaker 9: sort of things good. The last one I could come

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Speaker 9: up with was probably Tyron Matthew. That would have been

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Speaker 9: the last one where there was a bunch of character

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Speaker 9: concerns coming out, and by the time we got to

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Speaker 9: the NFL is pretty much cleaned up cool and you

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Speaker 9: didn't really have any issues after.

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Speaker 8: And I'll say it from my standpoint because I think

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Speaker 8: every team, every scout, every evaluator has a different tolerance

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Speaker 8: for these sorts of things. This building has a higher

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Speaker 8: tolerance for the sorts of things only at Kelvin Joseph,

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Speaker 8: but a Sam Williams, Greg Hardy, we can go to

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Speaker 8: the list.

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Speaker 2: Get on here.

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Speaker 8: My personal take here, and if you hear a character

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Speaker 8: red flag coming from me, that's because this is a

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Speaker 8: very serious concern. James Pierce was the guy last year

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Speaker 8: Leonard Taylor was the guy the year before that. Neither

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Speaker 8: have have really panned out now in the NFL, and

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Speaker 8: Pierce is out of the league at that point. And

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Speaker 8: when you have these serious legal concerns that come from

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Speaker 8: all the way back into high school, they carry through

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Speaker 8: his time at Tennessee. There were times he wouldn't even

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Speaker 8: show up to practice at Tennessee because hey, it's James

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Speaker 8: Pierce day off, and James Pierce decided that you.

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Speaker 2: Got to pay attention to those things.

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Speaker 8: And now when you look at the little problems like

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Speaker 8: Jade and Blue had some character concerns coming out of

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Speaker 8: Texas last year.

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Speaker 2: Were they there?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but I think it's more so maturity things.

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Speaker 5: It's different on that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: But still I would still draft the player. Yeah, And

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Speaker 8: I think drafting him in the fifth round wasn't a

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Speaker 8: bad decision if but drafting James Pierce in the first

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Speaker 8: round and giving up this year's first round pick to

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Speaker 8: do so, that's.

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Speaker 6: A bad thing. And it doesn't. It doesn't.

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Speaker 9: It's not even to say that even when those issues

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Speaker 9: crop up that they still weren't worth the pick. They

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Speaker 9: still may be worth the pick, but it's just like,

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Speaker 9: just know something'll come up, because look, if you've had

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Speaker 9: maturity issues or other things like that, I don't generally

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Speaker 9: think the light bulb moment for you is going to

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Speaker 9: be by the way, here's millions of dollars and a

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Speaker 9: bunch of freedom where you're like a superstar in your city.

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Speaker 9: That's going to naturally lead to growth.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 9: We've talked about it on there. Isekill Elliot went through that.

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Speaker 9: Isekille Ellie took some time to like and by the

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Speaker 9: end of it he was he was solid as Bryant

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Speaker 9: went through that. You take some time to grow and present.

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Speaker 9: So I think that's underrated. I agree is that. I

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Speaker 9: think generally, if there's a red flag that you're hearing

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Speaker 9: about out there, that is a worthy discussion.

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Speaker 4: And I like the way you put it where you

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Speaker 4: said there's differing levels to this, because while some of

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Speaker 4: the red flags might not be a legal problem, there's

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Speaker 4: the maturity issue as you brought up there. You talked

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Speaker 4: about James Pierce having the red flags and our show

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Speaker 4: getting flacked for saying, hey, we're not going to mess

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Speaker 4: around with that level of red flag. But we also

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Speaker 4: caught flak when Michael Parsons was drafted and his red

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Speaker 4: flag was maturity, not the same level as James Pearce,

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Speaker 4: not to that same significance, but there was still that.

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Speaker 4: By the end of his tenure in Dallas. What was

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Speaker 4: the main red flag for Michael Parson's.

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Speaker 6: Rendy Fitz and maturity.

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Speaker 4: So there's an element there that you have to remember.

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Speaker 4: And that's why we said this last week. And I've

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Speaker 4: seen the comments, I've seen the tweets, and oh, I

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Speaker 4: don't care about these interviews. I don't care about what

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Speaker 4: we'd get at the Senior Bowl because I skipped that

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Speaker 4: part of the broadcast.

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Speaker 5: That's all up to you.

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Speaker 4: That's fine, But it does complete the picture of who

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Speaker 4: these prospects are and it is very important. That's why

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Speaker 4: these teams spend millions of dollars every year to get

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Speaker 4: to know players, because they're about to invest millions and

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Speaker 4: millions of dollars in these players in their futures as well.

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Speaker 5: So you got to get it right when you get

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Speaker 5: the opportunity to do it.

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Speaker 6: Overrated really quickly.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, not all the time, but consistently enough that I'd

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Speaker 9: say it's overrated.

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Speaker 6: As the age thing.

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Speaker 10: I was about to say, Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Terrence Numos picked here he was twenty five before he

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Speaker 9: played his first game. He played till he was forty one.

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Speaker 9: Like we were like, oh, how long is it gonna

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Speaker 9: be around the legue? He was fine, And a lot

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Speaker 9: of instance his guys are fine.

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Speaker 7: And here's the thing now, with age nowadays and today's

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Speaker 7: college football, you're going to see so many more of

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Speaker 7: these guys that come into the draft process at twenty three,

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Speaker 7: twenty four, they've played six years of college. I don't

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Speaker 7: mind that, because the more experience, the more snaps you've

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Speaker 7: got at the college level, I'm good with that. If

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Speaker 7: it's running backs you worry about Trent on the tires,

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Speaker 7: that's fine. But like corners, like a guy like of course,

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Speaker 7: I'm blanking on his name and I love him. Kiante Scott,

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Speaker 7: the corner from Miami, who's going to be older on

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Speaker 7: draft day. I'm trying to find his official age. He'll

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Speaker 7: be twenty five. I could care less. The dudes a

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Speaker 7: football player. He's a good football player. If you are.

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Speaker 7: If you're giving me that and at that age, that's fine.

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Speaker 7: And because I feel like I feel like you're more

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Speaker 7: pro ready when you get to the NFL and you

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Speaker 7: can make an impact quicker because of the experience you have,

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Speaker 7: kind of like the old adage with quarterbacks.

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Speaker 10: The more you see a.

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Speaker 7: Lot more guys who have more collegiate snaps hit versus

663
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Speaker 7: guys like a Mitchell Trubisky who only played what ten

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Speaker 7: games in college?

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Speaker 6: Now you don't want thirty year old Chris went No

666
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Speaker 6: like that.

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Speaker 10: That's very like.

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Speaker 7: It gets to a point if we're talking about twenty seven,

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Speaker 7: then it's like, Okay, I get it now.

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Speaker 10: But you know, some of these.

671
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Speaker 7: Twenty three, twenty four to twenty five year old guys,

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Speaker 7: if they can play, I've got no problem with that.

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Speaker 4: Scott by the way, the corner out of Miami, he

674
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Speaker 4: will turn twenty five during training camp this year. Yeah,

675
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Speaker 4: like you said, for some people it matter. Some people

676
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Speaker 4: it's extremely overrated. I happen to agree with you guys.

677
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Speaker 4: All right, Speaking specifically on a prospect here, Frank wants

678
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Speaker 4: to know, do you think that Kyle Hamilton slide is

679
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Speaker 4: possible for Caleb Downs. Remember Kyle Hamilton drafted in the

680
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Speaker 4: first round by the Baltimore Ravens, sliding down into the

681
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Speaker 4: mid teens after he was heralded as a top ten

682
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Speaker 4: draft pick mostly because of value any response to whether

683
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Speaker 4: or not Caleb Downs could see.

684
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Speaker 9: The same possibly because the scenes, because he would get

685
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Speaker 9: picked at twelve at that point.

686
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Speaker 10: Say, this team certainly would hope.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, I'm pulling up the Kyle Hamilton draft

688
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Speaker 2: right now.

689
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Speaker 6: Hit is fourteenth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, safety's fall, but this this draft does have a

691
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Speaker 2: bunch of first round grades that'll push down down the board.

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Speaker 8: That was about to be my next question. How many

693
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Speaker 8: first round grades do you remember having in twenty Safety's fall?

694
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Speaker 9: Now, Hamilton definitely he was the top safety because Hamilton,

695
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Speaker 9: Hamilton was considered like a top three talent.

696
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Speaker 8: You also had guys like Garrett Wilson, Jamison Williams, Chris

697
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Speaker 8: Olave cave On Tip before him, Aiden Hutchinson, Derek Stingley,

698
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Speaker 8: I mean, Sauce Gardner. You had some guys in.

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Speaker 6: The top Yeah, and the league is valuing in this draft.

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Speaker 8: Whereas like I feel like you can really make an

701
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Speaker 8: argument for anybody in this draft class to have a

702
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Speaker 8: second round grade other than like four players.

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Speaker 2: You can make the argument.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, I'd say Downs unlikely to just because the

705
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Speaker 9: issue is is that the league is really starting to

706
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Speaker 9: hop on this trend of wanting the versatile safety like

707
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Speaker 9: Derwin James and what he was able to do with

708
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Speaker 9: the Chargers, what Kyle Hamilton's shown, what Nikki man Warrior's shown,

709
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Speaker 9: like all these different things, I think are are showing

710
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Speaker 9: the league that, all right, we want more more of

711
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Speaker 9: these flexible safety pieces that can play as sort of

712
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Speaker 9: a pseudo nickel and also be at the line of

713
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Speaker 9: scrimmage and do some different things for us.

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Speaker 4: Does And that would be my follow up question is

715
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Speaker 4: does Kyle Hamilton hurt this situation because of the success

716
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Speaker 4: that he's had and the way that he's been utilized

717
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Speaker 4: after he fell. Is that now a thing to where

718
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Speaker 4: teams say he fell to the mid teens after being

719
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Speaker 4: a top ten possible draft pick in a loaded draft,

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Speaker 4: But we're not letting that happen with Caleb Downs because

721
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Speaker 4: of what Kyle Hamilton's already he contributes.

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Speaker 9: I think I think Iman Warry has a bunch of

723
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Speaker 9: and now obviously he was somebody who was went the

724
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Speaker 9: second round, but I think in general, just people going

725
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Speaker 9: I want that piece. I want that, not that he

726
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Speaker 9: fell to some unrealistic place, but just more like teams

727
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Speaker 9: look at it and saying, well, where's that guy to

728
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Speaker 9: do that for me?

729
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Speaker 6: How do I get that?

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Speaker 2: Let mesh out is, do you think it's more likely

731
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Speaker 2: that Downs falls? The answer is no, by the way,

732
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Speaker 2: but do you do you do you think it's more

733
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Speaker 2: likely that Downs falls if an early team goes, well,

734
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Speaker 2: we got the animen that plays nickel and strong and

735
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Speaker 2: free and make me a Warren and Ramsey. Those guys

736
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Speaker 2: can do some similar things. So let me go with

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Speaker 2: a pass rusher now and I'll get my safety at

738
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Speaker 2: the top of a second. Do you think that that

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Speaker 2: makes it more likely that now is a fall because

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Speaker 2: of that a league, because if you pick a top

741
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Speaker 2: ten now you're picking top ten in the second round,

742
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Speaker 2: where some of these guys could go.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, but a league that has taken some time to

744
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Speaker 9: come around. It feels like on really wanting to value

745
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Speaker 9: the high value safeties, Like I think Downs is the

746
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Speaker 9: one that it's really hard to poke holes in his game.

747
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Speaker 9: So whereas even some other guys like like me Neil

748
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Speaker 9: more like third teams that are worried about his speed yeah,

749
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Speaker 9: and are worried about the way he runs, and they're

750
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Speaker 9: they're obviously questions about other prospects. That's why they're in

751
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Speaker 9: that sort of discussion Downs. I think any team that

752
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Speaker 9: is looking for that can just very easily look at

753
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Speaker 9: Caleb Downs and go, he's playing ninety percent of the snaps.

754
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Speaker 9: Next year, draft him, we're putting him in. The answer

755
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Speaker 9: is no, I was just yes.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: The other thing too with from Oregon is you guys

758
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Speaker 7: tell me if I'm wrong. I feel like it's down

759
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Speaker 7: and then it's a big drop. Maybe not like substantial drop,

760
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Speaker 7: but those are.

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Speaker 5: Your I would throw Kamari Ramsey in there too.

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Speaker 10: I like the other safety a little bit better.

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Speaker 5: That's fine, Bishop.

764
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Speaker 10: Fitzgerald, but that's fine.

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Speaker 7: But I'm saying it's it's those guys to the point

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Speaker 7: where I wouldn't be shocked if the aneman was like

767
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Speaker 7: a twenty five through thirty two pick, if he slips

768
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Speaker 7: into the back of the first round.

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Speaker 6: I think some I think some people might have McNeil

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Speaker 6: moren ahead of him.

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Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, aj Halse he's going to be in this

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Speaker 8: conversation too.

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Speaker 5: That's a good one too.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Kind of along the same lines but a little different.

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Speaker 4: In apologies if I mispronounced the name here. Taha t

777
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Speaker 4: a h a tatahaw what watching the Super Bowl? It

778
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Speaker 4: showed how important tackling is to make a defense great.

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Speaker 4: Who has the best tackling tape among these groups? So

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Speaker 4: he has a split up by linebacker, corner, and safety.

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Speaker 4: So listen to these names. We'll start with linebacker. You've

782
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Speaker 4: got Allen CJ. Allen out of Georgia, Josh or Jacob

783
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Speaker 4: Rodriguez out of Texas Tech.

784
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Speaker 5: You've got Anthony Hill Junior.

785
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Speaker 4: Out of Texas, UH Trotter and York Torrian York out

786
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Speaker 4: of out of Texas A and M and Trotter out

787
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Speaker 4: of miss Missouri. Out of those guys, who is your

788
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 4: best tackler?

789
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Speaker 8: I mean, Sonny Styles didn't have a mistackle this past

790
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Speaker 8: season until.

791
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Speaker 9: Maybe that's why in there that's probably.

792
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Speaker 8: Out of this group to fix Styles wasn't in there?

793
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Speaker 5: No, he was.

794
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Speaker 8: Okay, my bad.

795
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Speaker 9: I mean, if if we're just talking about like tackling ability,

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Speaker 9: probably Rodriguez.

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Speaker 5: Where do you guys have him?

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Speaker 4: Kind of I know you're not stacking boards quite finalized yet,

799
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Speaker 4: but do you have him in the conversation as a

800
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Speaker 4: top five linebackers?

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Speaker 8: I got a three on absolutely a top five linebacker? Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I think there's a conversation we had there

803
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Speaker 2: have you.

804
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Speaker 4: Guys looked at Jayshawn Barnum by the way from Michigan

805
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Speaker 4: and looked at him that he was a twitter on

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Speaker 4: the twenty question, I was going to throw him into

807
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Speaker 4: the mix, but well, we'll hit him later on in

808
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Speaker 4: the in the conversation, you guys, stop it.

809
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Speaker 8: The boy Tory.

810
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Speaker 4: And York, Torri and York a little bit undersized, but

811
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Speaker 4: he's a tackling machine as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, could he be in that conversation at all?

813
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Speaker 7: I think with York, you've got you know, I've got

814
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Speaker 7: a four on him too. But the pluses with him

815
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Speaker 7: are big. Plus he's gonna be twenty by the time

816
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Speaker 7: the draft comes around. I remember he went went to

817
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Speaker 7: Temple High School, and I think Nick, you covered him

818
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Speaker 7: a little bit too while you were still on recruiting.

819
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Speaker 7: And I remember I called one of his games and

820
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Speaker 7: I was talking to their coach and he was just

821
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Speaker 7: raving about this kid who was the smartest player he's

822
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Speaker 7: ever coached. Every coach and person he talked to him

823
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Speaker 7: around him is gonna say, hey, this guy's gonna be

824
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Speaker 7: the smartest player on the field for you. I don't

825
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Speaker 7: think it's any accident that he was a late flip

826
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Speaker 7: from Baylor to Texas A and M. And then he

827
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Speaker 7: goes and starts all three years for one of the

828
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Speaker 7: best defenses in the SEC the last few years, all

829
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Speaker 7: while being undersized and things like that. So I think

830
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Speaker 7: that even if it's on special teams, if he carves

831
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Speaker 7: himself out a role for there and doesn't really crack

832
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Speaker 7: the field on defense in the NFL, I think Tory

833
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Speaker 7: and York's gonna be a really good player for somebody.

834
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Speaker 7: And I think he's mo going to be a really

835
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Speaker 7: good addition to a locker room too. He's a natural

836
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Speaker 7: leader and his teammates love him. So I like me

837
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Speaker 7: some Toy and York.

838
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Speaker 4: Okay, what about these names and going back to the

839
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: safety conversation, we talked about Downs, Fianaman mcwarren and Ramsey

840
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Speaker 4: already in the in the show, anybody in that case

841
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Speaker 4: stand out as.

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Speaker 8: The number one tackler Downs Downs probably the guy, right,

843
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Speaker 8: I would say Theenem and second, I mean this, this

844
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Speaker 8: is why these guys are valued at at the points

845
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Speaker 8: that they are. I would highly recommend going and watching

846
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Speaker 8: the Dylan Theeneman tape against Indiana. There's a couple of

847
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Speaker 8: the first game did they play in the second time

848
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 8: they played the first time in Eugene. Uh, there was

849
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Speaker 8: a couple of plays where he came flying down the

850
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Speaker 8: hole to get into the backfield and tackled elusive ball

851
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Speaker 8: carriers in the backfield.

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Speaker 2: So Dylan Thaman, he sees it really fast.

853
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Speaker 8: He's a quick read and react player, high IQ and

854
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 8: that's that's a type of player you're gonna wan on

855
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Speaker 8: your defense.

856
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 5: No doubt.

857
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Speaker 6: Okay.

858
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Speaker 4: And then he also brings up corner as a possibility.

859
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Speaker 4: I'm going to defer to you here, Voch but uh

860
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 4: away from Tennessee, Delane from LSU Hood from Tennessee as well,

861
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 4: he said, from South Carolina.

862
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Speaker 5: I know you like him a lot.

863
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 4: Tommy Terrell from Clemson, who I'm probably higher on than

864
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 4: most people, Abney Abney from Arizona State, and then Ponds

865
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Speaker 4: from Indiana, who out of that group is the best tackler.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

867
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Speaker 2: What names you say, are so many of them. There's

868
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Speaker 2: a lot of them, but Abney can tackle.

869
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Speaker 11: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The Terrot's kind of decent as a tackler. Depends on

871
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Speaker 2: what you got. Our guy from Miami can't say. Scott

872
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 2: Gott I think he's a safety. But if you got

873
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Speaker 2: him as a corner, I think he's a he's a

874
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 2: cool attackle too. Let me tell you who tackles real good.

875
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: He little bitty Chandler Rivers from Duke. He about five

876
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: what nine five sign? His little ass beat throwing his body,

877
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: throwing his body.

878
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Speaker 5: And you're saying I'm the one that's making mistakes.

879
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: Well, he's small. You're saying hidden, which is a verb.

880
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: I'm saying his little ass is throwing his body. That's

881
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: another verb. Tack people, Chandler Rivers and and I think

882
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: he's a really good he's a really good cover guy,

883
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: really good man. Smarten his own. But he tackling. When

884
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: you see small corners, you just assumed that they ain't

885
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: really tackling. Nobody and Chandler Rivers thumping people, thumping Colton Hood.

886
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: You can look at you, Yeah, you look all you want.

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Speaker 10: I was gonna throw Hood in there.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm saying coulton Hood, okay, coland coulton Hood is

889
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Speaker 9: that's that might be the best run support tape at

890
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Speaker 9: corner is Coulton Hood.

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Speaker 6: And I mean he a bit.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I was gonna say Hood.

893
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 7: And Abney Hood's mentality Hoods mentality in his physicality, it

894
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 7: reminds me of what Jordan Lewis did.

895
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 9: Like Jordan Lewis was obviously like I mean, smaller, but

896
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 9: like he he reminds me in terms of the mentality

897
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 9: and the approach and not being afraid of physicality.

898
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 6: Reminds me of Jordan Lewis.

899
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,479
Speaker 7: The Hood has the kind of had the same deal

900
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 7: in terms of showing off the tackling ability a good

901
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 7: bit at the Senior Bowl. I think that was one

902
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Speaker 7: I didn't I don't know if he was if that

903
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 7: was if that setting was as good for him as

904
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Speaker 7: a cover guy, yeah, which obviously is not the best

905
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Speaker 7: thing to hear if you're looking at a corner because

906
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 7: you wanted to be a cover you want to cover guy.

907
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Speaker 7: But against the run, there was there was this one

908
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Speaker 7: specific play that I remember where he blew up the

909
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Speaker 7: screen pass and it was it was just one of

910
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Speaker 7: those like oh wow, I'm going to keep that in

911
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Speaker 7: the back of my mind on this.

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Speaker 10: Player for a while. Yeah, And that was that was

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Speaker 10: the case with him.

914
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Speaker 4: I think the it goes back to what you just

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Speaker 4: talked about is if we're talking about Colton Hood out

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Speaker 4: of Tennessee, of course, if we're talking about him at

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Speaker 4: twelve or twenty, I want him in that scenario. I

918
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Speaker 4: don't care who you are, I want you to stand

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00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 4: out amongst the pack. And he was good at the

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Speaker 4: Senior Bowl. Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking him

921
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Speaker 4: for having a bad week. That's not the case. I

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Speaker 4: didn't see him stick out amongst the group the way

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Speaker 4: that I want a top twelve, top twenty pick to

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Speaker 4: shot out one hundred percent group.

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Speaker 5: And that's where I just I wasn't super sold.

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Speaker 9: I feel like it's so hard though too for corners

927
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Speaker 9: the sacremely. But we've seen it before, we have Yeah,

928
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Speaker 9: I think it is really difficult.

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Speaker 10: He made a good point when we talked about this there.

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Speaker 8: I bring up Mitchell every time, every time this conversation.

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Speaker 8: Mitchell went to mobile and whooped. Ask yeah, and he

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Speaker 8: was incredible down there. And what did he fall to

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Speaker 8: twenty four?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he was mid twenty twenties.

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Speaker 9: I will say, if you get downs at twelve and

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Speaker 9: hood at twenty and then you've got planned at corner,

938
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Speaker 9: your secondary is not having problems tackling.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's which is a good thing. All right?

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Speaker 4: That does it for Twitter on the twenty. We'll of

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Speaker 4: course have it again on Thursday. Some more great questions.

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Speaker 5: I've got a nightmare scenario for you guys.

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Speaker 5: There were reports over the weekend.

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Speaker 4: Of course, multiple NFL insiders reporting the quite so obvious

1009
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Speaker 4: for those that already kind of cover or follow the

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Speaker 4: team that George Pickens expected to receive the franchise tag.

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00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, shocker.

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00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 4: The rest of that reporting cycle, there were some that

1013
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 4: kind of emerged as possibilities for a trade after the

1014
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 4: franchise tag if he does either see his negotiations breakdown

1015
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 4: or if something happens along the way.

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Speaker 5: When it comes to Pickens specifically.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about what you would need one in return

1018
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 4: and how much would you have to use it on

1019
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 4: a wide receiver in that case. So, Nick, what would

1020
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 4: the league wide conversation be for return for George Pickens?

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00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 8: Yes, So when the trade thing was thrown out there,

1022
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 8: I called somebody that I met at Combine last year.

1023
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: A Combin's a great resource.

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Speaker 8: It is a good acquiring tool about what the Pickens

1025
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 8: value could.

1026
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: Be around the league, around the league.

1027
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 8: And this is this is just one person's opinion in

1028
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 8: the AFC, but it was they would be shocked if

1029
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 8: the Cowboys can get any more than a second round

1030
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 8: pick for George Pickens and.

1031
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: So twenty four years though, it.

1032
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 6: Doesn't matter with that.

1033
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 9: Why is that because this is a league that said

1034
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 9: last year they didn't even think it was worth a

1035
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 9: third round pick, and they went, that's nice that he did.

1036
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 6: That for a year.

1037
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Speaker 9: Yeah, contract here, yes, yes, give you a second. I

1038
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 9: don't have enough answers to give you a first.

1039
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 8: And there's still enough there is still enough behind the

1040
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 8: scenes concerns from other teams to where that could be

1041
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 8: brought up in a negotiation. Now does that stuff actually

1042
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 8: manifest and matter at the end of the day, that's

1043
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 8: up for interpretation. And George Pickts had over fourteen hundred

1044
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 8: yards this year and led the team in receptions, yards

1045
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 8: and touchdowns. But that it can still be brought up

1046
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 8: in the spirit of a negotiation to bring the price

1047
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 8: down lower. And that's why those things exist, and that's

1048
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 8: why those things get brought up. And so if let's

1049
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 8: let's throw that into the mix as okay, let's say

1050
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 8: that it is a second round pick, then you are

1051
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 8: a creating a need in the draft for the Cowboys.

1052
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Speaker 2: You're back in the exact.

1053
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Speaker 8: Same position you were this time last year, except you

1054
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Speaker 8: have a second round pick instead of a third round pick,

1055
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 8: and this receiver class is not as special as yours past,

1056
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Speaker 8: and so uh yeah it would It would be fascinating,

1057
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Speaker 8: But the value best case scenario is a second round

1058
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 8: pick and you probably get like a Day three pick swap.

1059
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Speaker 2: If if the Cowboys sent a first to Pittsburgh to

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00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: get pickings and then Pickings has the year that he has,

1061
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: would you be like, all right, cool, that's straight, or

1062
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 2: would be like, damn, I wish I would have sent

1063
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: the second instead of the first.

1064
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, for the year that he had.

1065
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: You could live with a first round pick with what

1066
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: he did, right.

1067
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Speaker 5: Sure, yeah he would, he would say, hypothetically.

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Speaker 8: Hypothetically, yeah, I mean you do not have Tyler Booker. Yep, Well,

1069
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Speaker 8: even though the trade happened after the draft.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't have this.

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00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: You wouldn't have twenty.

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Speaker 6: He wouldn't.

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Speaker 9: The problem is just he was never going to get

1074
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 9: that because I mean, the around the league. Look, I

1075
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 9: mean routinely it was such a point of discussion that

1076
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 9: players stand up their lockers when he first got here,

1077
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Speaker 9: we're having to talk about. Boy, the things you hear

1078
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 9: about him are wrong, and and then that may be true.

1079
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 9: It may be an un fair label that he got

1080
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 9: in a lot of instances, but it was a label

1081
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 9: that clearly carried across the entire NFL that hey, he's

1082
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 9: kind of a headache. And it was enough of one

1083
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 9: that when Dallas traded a third there were some people

1084
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 9: naturally were like, that seems rich for the problems that

1085
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 9: he's at now. He played well last year. I think

1086
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 9: I talked to somebody around the league who said that

1087
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 9: in regards to Pickens, they're like, I don't know how

1088
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 9: much any of it's better versus just it's tolerated a

1089
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 9: lot better in Dallas than Pittsburgh.

1090
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 8: There's a higher tolerance here. We talked about that in

1091
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 8: the what was it the second segment talking about the character.

1092
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 8: A lot of people feel like higher tolerance in this building.

1093
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 9: A lot of people feel like Pickens was Pickens last

1094
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 9: year and it wasn't any different now. That's to me

1095
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 9: why I would go ahead and sign him long term,

1096
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 9: because I know exactly because a lot of people like,

1097
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 9: is that the kind of guy you want to like

1098
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 9: invest in if he's had problems, Like yeah, that's because

1099
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Speaker 9: that's he's that's just who he is, and he's showing

1100
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 9: you that he has not changed. He's showing you like, hey,

1101
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 9: this is just my personality type. Some people don't get

1102
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 9: down with it. But this is what this is what

1103
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 9: it is.

1104
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 8: And that's the type of character concerns. I'm okay with him.

1105
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, me too. I want that at receiver a little bit. Yeah,

1106
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 6: I do.

1107
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 8: Absolutely, I'm okay with guys rough around the edges. I'm

1108
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 8: okay with a guy missing a meeting as long as

1109
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 8: he shows up on Sunday. Like, I'm okay with you.

1110
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 9: Need to be on the island if you're if you're

1111
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 9: on the island as a corner receiver, I want you

1112
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 9: to have some of that.

1113
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1114
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 8: Now, so if you're getting into bullying incidents in high school,

1115
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 8: it should have been arrested. Like that's different, you know.

1116
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 8: I'm like, okay, then hypoth shouldn't be hypothetically allegedly maybe

1117
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 8: we shouldn't be, you know, engaging in this.

1118
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 9: I mean it's also important to remember what receivers have

1119
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 9: been going for Metcalf went for a second.

1120
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, and and so I mean, huh overpay.

1121
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, but I mean I'm saying that like Metcalf's people

1122
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 9: felt better around the league about DK Metcalf than even

1123
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 9: probably right now they do about like how long they

1124
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 9: feel like they can keep Pickens within the framework of

1125
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 9: their organization.

1126
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 4: So let's let's tab it as a second round pick.

1127
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 4: Let's tab that as the return. Tommy is this Cowboys

1128
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 4: team looks to piece together their roster, and I know

1129
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 4: we've got to get through free agency first to see

1130
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 4: what that looks like, and it may not happen. Let's

1131
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 4: say let's say this Pickens thing because of the trade

1132
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 4: and what would end up happening closer to draft weekend

1133
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 4: because you're going to try and negotiate first before the

1134
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 4: last case scenario in the nightmare scenario shares itself. So

1135
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 4: let's say you go into the draft without a wide receiver.

1136
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 4: How imperative is it to go and use one of

1137
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 4: the two first round picks or whatever you would get

1138
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 4: in that second round pick wherever that may be, to

1139
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 4: draft a wide receiver and hope he immediately pairs with

1140
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 4: Cede Lamb And who are some of the options in

1141
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 4: the draft class that could possibly fit that mold?

1142
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 7: I think it pretty quickly becomes one of your bigger needs.

1143
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 7: Just because you saw how different this offense was with

1144
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 7: two elite a KaiA guys at wide receiver at George

1145
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 7: Pickings and Cedde Lamb. I mean, you're very limited on options,

1146
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 7: so you would need to go get one probably at twelve,

1147
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 7: and you would, more than anything, need to hope that

1148
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 7: the eleven teams in front of you don't take half

1149
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 7: the guys off the board, which is very possible, especially

1150
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 7: for the top guy. I mean, my top guy is

1151
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 7: Cardinal Tate from Ohio State six three one ninety five.

1152
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 7: So you're getting that bigger body, a guy that's similar

1153
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 7: to George Pickens.

1154
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 10: But I don't think any of these guys I would.

1155
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 7: Pit against George Pickens, even to going back to coming

1156
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 7: out and you're.

1157
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 4: Going to have an A and a B. It's no

1158
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 4: longer the one A one no longer to a guy.

1159
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 4: And that's not necessarily a knock on Cornel Tate. I

1160
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 4: don't think he's a bad players. I think he can

1161
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 4: be a good player in this league. I just don't

1162
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 4: think he's George Pickens. The next closest guy I've got,

1163
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 4: and there's a couple of players in between, is is

1164
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 4: Jordan Tyson, the wide receiver from Arizona State six to

1165
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 4: two hundred.

1166
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 10: I think he he.

1167
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 7: He kinda is like and I'm trying to frame this

1168
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 7: the right way. He moves differently in the sense of

1169
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 7: it seems like it's it's too fluid almost where I

1170
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 7: wish he would be a little bit sharper on some

1171
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 7: of the things that does. But it's just so good

1172
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 7: athletically that he can kind of do what he wants

1173
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 7: and he's got minimble to get away with it in college. Yeah,

1174
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 7: and you know, a fifty to fifty ball guy, he's

1175
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 7: athletic enough to go up and get it. But again,

1176
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 7: if if you are trying to find a replacement for

1177
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 7: George Pickens, I don't think you're going to come close

1178
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 7: in this draft, especially from a rookie wide receiver. Again

1179
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 7: not saying these guys won't be good. So I think

1180
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 7: it's imperative that they bring back George Pickens.

1181
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 6: I think they're going to I don't. I don't think

1182
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 6: there's anything else gonna happen.

1183
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 9: I do not believe though, that if they were going

1184
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 9: to do it, I don't think they do it without

1185
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 9: filling that In free agency. Yeah, like I think you're

1186
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 9: acquiring the Capitol because you're saying, I'm going to go

1187
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 9: sign somebody in free agency to I'm going to go

1188
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 9: sign somebody in free agency to fill that role play

1189
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 9: alongside Filinoy and Lamb, and I'm getting this pickback because

1190
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 9: I need so many different things on defense. So it's

1191
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 9: just about a value question at that point.

1192
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 4: Okay, But that wouldn't take the tag first happening, right,

1193
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 4: Like you wouldn't put the tag on him in the

1194
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 4: first place, correct, there, No.

1195
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 9: Like you would put you put the tag on him

1196
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 9: because you hold him so you can, like you place

1197
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 9: the whole on So I'm yeah, I'm tagging.

1198
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 5: Picks, okay, either way.

1199
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, either way, I'm just making chickens.

1200
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, that tag window opens a week from today, like

1201
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 8: it to happen early, Yeah, okay, because they will go

1202
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 8: into the combine with the tag in place and that

1203
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 8: will start the negotiation.

1204
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 4: But if you're if you're seeing a breakdown of conversations,

1205
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 4: that's probably gonna happen later in the process, right like

1206
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 4: when you get to the draft. If you don't have

1207
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,959
Speaker 4: him sign long term by the draft, then that's where

1208
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 4: you can start seeing things break down a little. I

1209
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 4: don't think it would necessarily get depending on how depending

1210
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 4: on how his party reacts to the tag.

1211
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 6: Right, Oh, they know, they know.

1212
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 5: They know what's happening.

1213
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 4: They know what's happening, but they want him to ultimately

1214
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 4: be on a multi year deal by the time the

1215
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 4: draft comes around, and Dallas would like the same thing

1216
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 4: as well.

1217
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 8: I don't know necessarily, Okay, I don't know necessarily.

1218
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 9: I think I think they would want to have a

1219
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 9: sense of if they were going to I think they

1220
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 9: knew all the way back at Combine the Mica thing

1221
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 9: could go sideways.

1222
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 5: They don't feel that way here.

1223
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 9: I think they'll just know after the Combine, So so

1224
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 9: it could be a thing where it's like it's not

1225
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 9: done by the draft, but that they're like, all right,

1226
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 9: this will get done though, Like we know we'll be

1227
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 9: able to get to that point. And I think that

1228
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 9: that would be I think that's going to be a

1229
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 9: very big week for their determination things. But I think

1230
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 9: they're going to come out of going Okay, we can

1231
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 9: we can work this out.

1232
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: Brobly may ask you this. Would it be easier to

1233
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 2: sign them because the agent would want a shorter deal

1234
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: and the Cowboys like, all right, cool, will do a

1235
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: shorter deal for this kind of situation because it has

1236
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: always been like a like a what like a five

1237
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: year four year thing.

1238
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, they always they like the they like the void

1239
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 9: years on the back like every other team has started using.

1240
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 9: But yeah, they like to build five year four or

1241
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 9: five year contracts with escape patches a year.

1242
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: Two but with with a with a player with question marks,

1243
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: kind of like pigs right with the Cowboys going all right,

1244
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 2: you want to three years even get back on the market.

1245
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: We want a two year with a void year because

1246
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: we are.

1247
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 9: Sure typically not, because they do want them structured a

1248
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 9: certain way where it's like, all right, fine, even if

1249
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 9: this is in reality a two year deal, we need

1250
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 9: it to look like five on paper because the way

1251
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 9: we like to do accounting. And so I think I

1252
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 9: still think they wouldn't want to play at high numbers

1253
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:05,959
Speaker 9: on a short term deal.

1254
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 4: And based off of some of the names that Tommy

1255
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 4: was just talking about in the draft class, do you

1256
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 4: have any nick that you stick out as a pure

1257
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 4: compliment to see the lamb If something were to go

1258
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 4: south and we got to talk about this receiving class.

1259
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, you would need a guy who would come in

1260
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 8: bring you immediate contributions. There's no one that's going to

1261
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 8: live up to what George Pickins has brought you. There

1262
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 8: are three guys that I think you could bring in

1263
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 8: with an expectation that can give you a number two

1264
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 8: type of impact. He mentioned Carnel Tate, he mentioned Jordan Tyson.

1265
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 8: I'll throw him Makay Lemon out of USC. After that,

1266
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 8: then you're starting to stretch a little bit. Denzel Boston

1267
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 8: out of Washington, he's starting to get some first round mocks.

1268
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 8: I really like Chris Brasel out of Tennessee. Jacoby Lane

1269
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 8: out of USC is another one that I think is

1270
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 8: going to have a good process as well. Zachariah Branch

1271
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 8: out of Georgia, I think is another one that you

1272
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 8: could have in that second tier.

1273
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 9: You big fan, Bobby, I've always loved I love that

1274
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 9: obsession with Zacharia Branch from like yeah even going back

1275
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 9: to like high school.

1276
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 6: Recruited, but I think he's.

1277
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 5: He's a dog. He is, he's no pun intended.

1278
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 8: He's he's a lot of fun that you get the whole.

1279
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 6: You can't teach speed thing though. The way he can

1280
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 6: move is.

1281
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 8: The thing about Zacharia Branch is he's never really had

1282
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 8: a consistent quarterback or a consistent offense while he's been healthy.

1283
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 6: Nope.

1284
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 8: And if you go back to the rare moments where

1285
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 8: he did have all three of those things lined up

1286
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 8: in like two or three games, incredible production. Zacharia Branch

1287
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 8: is a lot of fun. He's gonna be a guy

1288
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 8: that I think should be taken in the first round,

1289
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 8: but could end up being there for you in the

1290
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 8: second in this scenario.

1291
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 5: And replacing a Georgia Bulldog with another Georgia Bulldog.

1292
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 6: And USC Trijan. Sure.

1293
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 9: Uh there are questions there for people around the league

1294
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 9: though about Branch. Well, he has flag character questions.

1295
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 5: Okay, interesting not not.

1296
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 9: Big no no no, Yeah, like Nick's misdemeanors. He was

1297
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 9: talking about her, not the felt ones, the ones that

1298
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 9: fell any character like misdemeanor character.

1299
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna have to start classifying his big character

1300
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 4: a little character.

1301
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, classic character concern.

1302
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, he took over in one of the less They

1303
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 4: said the same thing about me. So the game that

1304
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 4: I got to go see in person this year against

1305
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 4: Misissippi State, I mean, he the first thing that stands

1306
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 4: out is I mean, top notch, pro build, pro everything.

1307
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 4: I mean the way he carries himself, the way he looks.

1308
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 4: I mean, he lived up to the expectation. I haven't

1309
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 4: dove back into his film quite yet, but still one guy.

1310
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 9: That he's not as thick, he's not as belt doesn't,

1311
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 9: but he's he reminds me a lot of Percy Harmony.

1312
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 8: And I throwing a caveat to this this conversation. Yes,

1313
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 8: you need to you will have to draft another pass

1314
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 8: or pass catcher if this ends up happening Kenyon Sadik.

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Speaker 8: Would that be worth swinging on a pick if you

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Speaker 8: do not have Piggings in the building and you need

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Speaker 8: another pass catcher.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I like him.

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Speaker 10: No, Yeah, why.

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Speaker 2: Because I don't think you had to pick the gettmuh

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Speaker 2: it f it was like pick forty some fifty something

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Speaker 2: For me, I feel better about it. I wouldn't. I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't want to take a tight end that's probably got

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Speaker 2: a lot of growing to do at twelve or twenty.

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Speaker 9: It just changes the I think it naturally would have

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Speaker 9: to change some of the design of your offense.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no doubt, And I.

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Speaker 9: Think that that's what give me. Give me somebody who

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Speaker 9: can maybe replicate some of the stuff that Pickens did

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Speaker 9: and be able to because I mean you you talked

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Speaker 9: about this neck at the end of the year. How

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Speaker 9: excited Clayton Adams sounded talking about the ability to dive

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Speaker 9: in on like really exploring what they can do with

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Speaker 9: the passing game with a full off season. I think

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Speaker 9: that would be a mini not overhaul, but you'd be

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Speaker 9: doing some tweaking.

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Speaker 8: The reason I bring it up is I look at,

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Speaker 8: you know, a situation like Cleveland where they've moved on

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Speaker 8: from some pass catchers and they bring in Harold Fannin

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Speaker 8: and he slides into a premier pass catching role.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Sure he did some natural blocking tight end stuff, but

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Speaker 8: not a whole lot. He wasn't asked to do that.

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Speaker 5: It was mostly a pass catcher, though it was awesome.

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Speaker 6: How do we get more like the Browns?

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Speaker 8: But I bring that up fan In's case, I'm just

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Speaker 8: playing devil's advocate if it were me. I mean, first off,

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Speaker 8: you signed Pickens and he get it done. Yeah, but

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Speaker 8: if somehow that doesn't happen, I'm going for one of

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Speaker 8: those three.

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Speaker 5: I think we're all on that same boat.

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Speaker 4: And the reason why we even bring up a conversation

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Speaker 4: like this is one because Nightmare scenarios do happen in

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Speaker 4: the NFL, so things do happen in different ways than

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Speaker 4: you anticipate them to happen initially. But also it's just

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Speaker 4: a natural way to talk about a position that I

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Speaker 4: think on the Draft show as a hole, we're going

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Speaker 4: to talk about far less as time goes on, wide receivers,

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Speaker 4: pass catchers in general. Citik, by the way, didn't say it,

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Speaker 4: Kenyon Citik out of Oregon, the tight end probably the

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Speaker 4: number one tight end in.

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Speaker 5: The class across the board. However, we're not going to

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Speaker 5: talk about pass catchers a ton on this show.

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk a lot of corners, a lot

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Speaker 4: of edgewreschers, a lot of linebacker, a lot of safety

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Speaker 4: because of where the needs are specifically with this franchise. However,

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Speaker 4: if you do, if something does fall through with the

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Speaker 4: George pick and saga, then all of a sudden, wide

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Speaker 4: receiver goes straight into that conversation.

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Speaker 5: So you kind of have to.

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Speaker 4: Have the preliminary talks to get there in the first place.

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Speaker 2: When do y'all feel good taken tight end if at all?

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Speaker 2: Or is it even when we're in day three? Is

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Speaker 2: defense everything? It's a couple of tight ends. I like, uh,

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Speaker 2: we got a trick from Baylor or Star Wars Elist

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Speaker 2: Wars local from Vanderbilt. I was just kind of watching

1377
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: a film whatever, and they can kind of catch the

1378
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 2: ball down feel a little bit. But they're more Day

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00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: three guys, I would think, so would y'all go all right,

1380
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 2: I'll get a tight end? And Day three was it

1381
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: all defense? Everything still get on darts.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm throwing dar defence, I got, I got spanned

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00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 9: for it. I got Ferguson. I'm good maker that.

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Speaker 5: He had a better year. Let's not.

1385
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 4: Let's not a hate on him. That's what he's h

1386
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 4: I feel like that this was the Kenneth Murray bit,

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00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 4: but on offense.

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Speaker 2: Maker school makes so much better kend Murray.

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Speaker 6: But I mean anything is possible.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, all right. That does it for us here

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Speaker 5: on the Draft Show. I hope you had fun with

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Speaker 5: us over the last hour.

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Speaker 4: We will be back on Thursday, eleven am Central Time

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Speaker 4: to continue breaking down the NFL draft process and then

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Speaker 4: ongoings in the building as well. For Vach Lombardi, Nick Harris,

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Speaker 4: Tommy Yarrish, Bobby Belt, Chris Beaman, the back of Kyle

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Speaker 4: Yeoman saying so long from the Draft.

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Speaker 5: Show, See you on Thursday.

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