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Speaker 1: Dan That's Dan Patrick Show, Big Game Tonight, rams at
Speaker 1: the Cardinals got a mess in Jacksonville Packers bucks? Are
Speaker 1: they on a collision course again? The Chiefs win again.
Speaker 1: Great defense, first team since the twenty fourteen Seahawks to
Speaker 1: hold four opponents under ten points during a five games
Speaker 1: span and Patrick Mahomes through his first touchdown passes in
Speaker 1: the three game period here with the Chiefs defense holding
Speaker 1: Vegas to single digits as the final was forty eight
Speaker 1: to nine. Final Hour Best and Worst of the weekend.
Speaker 1: Your phone call is always welcome. Eight seven seven three
Speaker 1: DP show mclovin the poll question for the final hour. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're debating over here. Paulie has one. Okay, you can
Speaker 1: pick one. Okay, Packers get home field in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but no rest for Aaron Rodgers in his toe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is going to be an issue here in the
Speaker 1: final month of the season, the home stretch, this will
Speaker 1: be an issue the extra game. Will Green Bay sit
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? You want to have home field advantage this time?
Speaker 1: You get fans there, But do you want home field
Speaker 1: advantage and maybe not as healthy or one hundred percent
Speaker 1: version of Aaron Rodgers? Or would you sit him down?
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna have Minnesota and then at Detroit
Speaker 1: to end the season. What if Tampa is going to
Speaker 1: secure home field advantage, then maybe have Aaron Rodgers sit down? Maybe,
Speaker 1: but that's going to also affect who you meet in
Speaker 1: that first round or second round, and that'll factor in
Speaker 1: as well. But this is going to be an issue
Speaker 1: for some teams with some players. Do you sit somebody down?
Speaker 1: And in this case, Aaron Rodgers, you got to start
Speaker 1: to think about it because, as he's talked about, he
Speaker 1: may get that toe banged up and if he does,
Speaker 1: surgery would be on the table. They have Baltimore at Baltimore,
Speaker 1: they host Cleveland, they host Minnesota, than they're at Detroit, McLevin.
Speaker 1: What else do you have? Okay? Should the Jaguars be
Speaker 1: worried about Trevor Lawrence? Yes? Or no? Okay? Would you
Speaker 1: be more worried about Trevor Lawrence or Urban Meyer? Because one,
Speaker 1: I'm stuck with Trevor Lawrence. I would still like to
Speaker 1: see him with talent around him. I think he needs
Speaker 1: a better offensive mind to help him. And that's why
Speaker 1: I go back to Ryan Day. Can you imagine if
Speaker 1: Ryan Day replaced urban Meyer with Jacksonville at some point,
Speaker 1: not this next season or maybe the year after that,
Speaker 1: But you know, I wonder down the road, is Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence going to get the coaching that he needs in
Speaker 1: the NFL? And are you going to have the weapons
Speaker 1: there to help him develop as well? But would I
Speaker 1: be more concerned about Trevor Lawrence or urban Meyer? I
Speaker 1: would say urban Meyer just because I I don't think
Speaker 1: he's made too many smart moves since he's been there
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. And I'm just talking about football decisions. You know,
Speaker 1: we can look at what happened in that bar in Columbus.
Speaker 1: That's a bad decision as well. But you know, you're
Speaker 1: getting confrontational with your staff. Now, let's say they were
Speaker 1: five and six on the year, five and seven on
Speaker 1: the year, and he decides that he's going to air
Speaker 1: out his assistant coaches. Do we say, man, I love that,
Speaker 1: Oh boy, there's no quit. He wants them to be great. Well,
Speaker 1: he doesn't get that luxury because he has not made
Speaker 1: good decisions since he's been there. And now you know
Speaker 1: people are leaking information. He's upset about it. I'd be
Speaker 1: more concerned with him, because you know, the Jags took
Speaker 1: a big swing in the offseason when they hired urban
Speaker 1: They're trying to develop a new and well, hopefully improved culture.
Speaker 1: But you know they've it's a swing and a miss
Speaker 1: right now. They're two and eleven. They're not getting any better.
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence through four interceptions, another embarrassing loss a divisional
Speaker 1: rival in Tennessee. And to make matters worse, you have
Speaker 1: these reports coming out of the locker room that he
Speaker 1: allegedly called his assistant coaches losers. He's a winner, you're
Speaker 1: a loser. Now, technically, I guess he's right. I guess
Speaker 1: nobody thought the Jags were going to be contenders. But
Speaker 1: you've got to see improvement. That's what you want to
Speaker 1: see week by week. And it might be incremental, and
Speaker 1: it might be really small, and it might be something
Speaker 1: that doesn't show up to the you know, the casual
Speaker 1: observer here. But you know urban Meyer used to have control,
Speaker 1: clear control, and you can't have that college mentality. It
Speaker 1: doesn't play in the NFL. And you know, urban Meyer
Speaker 1: is the latest coach to find that out. But he's
Speaker 1: under contract for the foreseeable future. But it's going to
Speaker 1: be interesting to see the patience of Shad Khan allowing
Speaker 1: the experiment to play out. What else do you have,
Speaker 1: n Clevin? Do you think the three play record is
Speaker 1: causing problems for Steph Curry? Well over the last seventy
Speaker 1: two hours. I have his game log. The last two games.
Speaker 1: He was sorry night three for fourteen from three. The
Speaker 1: night before that he was six for seventeen from three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of threes with not a lot of
Speaker 1: may threes. No Pacers and Nicks coming up right. I
Speaker 1: think he'll be okay once he sets the record. I
Speaker 1: think he'll be okay because he has done quite well
Speaker 1: because of that three point rule. It may have heard
Speaker 1: him the last two games just because he's pressing, but no,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be okay. This is not the
Speaker 1: Warriors coming down to Earth. And I give the seventy
Speaker 1: six ers all the credit in the world. They played
Speaker 1: great defense on Steph Curry, and you know that should
Speaker 1: be factored in as well. They played great defense. Ye
Speaker 1: ask McClean next question that you cannot answer. Who's winning
Speaker 1: the AFC North, the rave the Browns, the Steelers or
Speaker 1: the Bengals without even I'm not going to give you
Speaker 1: the schedules, arid of you just instinctually who's who's got
Speaker 1: the edge? So somebody has to win the AFC North technically, right,
Speaker 1: somebody has to m Is anybody going to threaten in
Speaker 1: the playoffs? I think is probably the bigger question. The
Speaker 1: Ravens with Lamar Jackson can always do that. They can
Speaker 1: always be you know, It's one of those teams that
Speaker 1: you have to prepare for them, and you don't prepare
Speaker 1: for that kind of offense weekend and week out, so
Speaker 1: that makes it a little bit more challenging. I guess
Speaker 1: the Browns I don't know. I mean health wise, getting
Speaker 1: everybody back, Ravens got the Packers coming up this weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mcclo any chance this win over the Ravens, even though
Speaker 1: it was Tyler Hunley, is like a turning point for
Speaker 1: the Browns. I have no idea. I don't They're a
Speaker 1: big mystery. I mean, there are a couple of teams
Speaker 1: where you go, I have no idea, and the Browns
Speaker 1: are right there. I did think it was interesting what
Speaker 1: Albert Brier from the Monday Morning quarterback had to say
Speaker 1: last hour because I said, look, there's no moral victory
Speaker 1: for Buffalo, because you're supposed to be a Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 1: The way they played in the fourth quarter, Boy, that's
Speaker 1: a moral victory. Well it's it's still a loss and
Speaker 1: you're fighting for survival in a division you were supposed
Speaker 1: to dominate. Here's Albert Breer last Hour on the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1: I actually think I think the Bills found something in
Speaker 1: the second half of that game. And look, there are
Speaker 1: no moral victories for a team that's been in the
Speaker 1: playoffs three times in the last four years. But I
Speaker 1: think they were sort of a team without an identity
Speaker 1: against New England, and you still saw fight and I
Speaker 1: think the first half that game that really kind of
Speaker 1: manifested the way that that got away from them. They
Speaker 1: had nothing to literally lean back on. And then in
Speaker 1: the second half, I just they ran the ball a
Speaker 1: little bit more. I think Josh Allen played more under control,
Speaker 1: the defense found itself a little bit and so I
Speaker 1: actually think in the second half of that game and
Speaker 1: into overtime, the Bills found something like if they wind
Speaker 1: up running the table here, which if you look at
Speaker 1: their schedule outside of the New England game, is pretty doable.
Speaker 1: I think there's a possibility Dan that we look back
Speaker 1: at that game in Tampa yesterday as a sort of
Speaker 1: turning point. I know it sounds crazy because they won
Speaker 1: thirteen games and went to the championship game last year,
Speaker 1: but I really think that this was a team that
Speaker 1: kind of lost itself over the last month, and I
Speaker 1: really think that they found something in the second half
Speaker 1: against the Bucks. I don't think they have an identity,
Speaker 1: and Albert touched on that as well, that you're trying
Speaker 1: to figure what is this identity or what is your
Speaker 1: offensive identity? Defensive identity? Is their a finesse team, got
Speaker 1: a really good secondary, but they're just you think of
Speaker 1: a team playing in that weather that they would be
Speaker 1: built for that. Just a tough, physical defense and run
Speaker 1: the football. I mean, Josh Allen was spectacular in that
Speaker 1: second half, but you gotta do it weekend in week out.
Speaker 1: You throw for three hundred, you rush for one hundred,
Speaker 1: that's great, but you got to be consistently great if
Speaker 1: you're going to beat these teams and beat them on
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Speaker 1: shopping gifts. There a couple of basketball items. Last night
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. He has now put up seven career fifty
Speaker 1: plus point games, fifth most among active players at fifty one.
Speaker 1: Last night in the win against the Pistons, Lebron James
Speaker 1: second triple double in the last three games Lakers beat
Speaker 1: the Magic. Lebron now has ninety nine career triple doubles,
Speaker 1: second most among active players. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's anything. Oh, by the way, one of my favorite
Speaker 1: days in NBA history happened today in nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1: Guys going to guess it wasn't one of my favorite days.
Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite nights in the NBA
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three. Yes, Paulie, I can't remember the teams.
Speaker 1: Is that that game where it was like one seventy
Speaker 1: nine one eight four nine something like that. It was
Speaker 1: one eighty six to one eighty four, the highest scoring
Speaker 1: game in NBA history. The Distance beat the Nuggets. Isaiah
Speaker 1: had forty seven, John Long forty one, Kelley Tripuka had
Speaker 1: thirty five. The Nuggets had fifty one from Kiki Vanderway
Speaker 1: and forty seven from Alex English. This game is on
Speaker 1: NBA TV right now. Yes, point, we have it on
Speaker 1: the screen and Bill Lambier, the former Piston center, just
Speaker 1: airball to free throw. I've never seen that before, No
Speaker 1: long time. That could have added one more point to
Speaker 1: the one eighty six one eighty four game, highest scoring
Speaker 1: game in NBA history. Imagine if you're Alex English, you
Speaker 1: put up forty seven, you were the second highest scorer
Speaker 1: for your team. Or John Long put up to forty one,
Speaker 1: he's the second highest scorer. Kekey Vanderway. Kekey Vanderway was sneaky, sneaky,
Speaker 1: great a great air, great shot, he could go, he
Speaker 1: could fake right, go left and dunk on your left handed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kee Kee, Vanderway, Alex English flick. He just had a
Speaker 1: real high release point. John Long wasn't the University of
Speaker 1: Detroit and then went to the Pistons and then of
Speaker 1: course Isaiah Kelly Trapuca at thirty five. Yeah. Point, I
Speaker 1: have an Isaiah Thomas theory that he's not going to
Speaker 1: get to do historically because he's not that liked by
Speaker 1: a lot of people. You saw him play as much
Speaker 1: as anybody. There's no denying he's one of the great
Speaker 1: NBA point guards of all time. Correct, Yeah, he doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to be lauded that much when they talk about
Speaker 1: great players. I think we forget about him and then
Speaker 1: somebody will go what about Isaiah, And then we go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I try it. I mean, he won a national title,
Speaker 1: but I I think when you saw him play, you
Speaker 1: thought he was phony. I mean not how he played,
Speaker 1: but just the personality. But he was a killer out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the club the fake smile and you know if
Speaker 1: it was fake score twenty four points on Mo Cheeks
Speaker 1: in a fourth quarter once? Yeah, because he didn't score
Speaker 1: as much as he could, right, No, And I think
Speaker 1: you know that's another thing that it always felt like
Speaker 1: he was a nineteen eleven guy, but he it felt
Speaker 1: like he could get forty if he wanted to. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Likeaiah was a great player, yampom. But his stats are
Speaker 1: pretty similar to Magic Johnson. Not as much winning, not
Speaker 1: as much flair. But I think Mattic johnson career is
Speaker 1: like nineteen and ten nineteen eleven, Isaiah's like nineteen and ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: their stats are pretty similar. Isaiah had just as many
Speaker 1: twenty point plus seasons. Who would you rather have? Magic's
Speaker 1: just the nightmare? Right, isn't the matchup nightmare? Yeah? You
Speaker 1: can't pass on him? Yes, when your point guard is
Speaker 1: six to nine? Like you love mismatches in the NBA
Speaker 1: Magic Magic could score forty. We saw that in an
Speaker 1: NBA finals. He had that ability to play all five positions.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Magic was like, that's that's one of the
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Speaker 1: or Showtime? I did not. It's got Jason Segel's Paul
Speaker 1: west Head, John Riley is uh as the bus and
Speaker 1: there's a young guy who plays Magical exactly like him.
Speaker 1: It looks like our wheelhouse. Yeah, you know, Will Farrell
Speaker 1: was supposed to be up for I think Jerry Buss
Speaker 1: and Adam McKay, his partner, had to tell him that
Speaker 1: he was not going to get the job, and I
Speaker 1: think that that ended their friendship at John c Right,
Speaker 1: who's you know. Will Farrell's good buddy from step Brothers
Speaker 1: and he gets that he gets the role of Jerry
Speaker 1: Buss and Will Farrell is told by Adam McKay, his partner,
Speaker 1: that he's not going to get that, and uh caused
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Speaker 1: and South Dakota. Make love and update the poll results.
Speaker 1: If you were the Packers, would you rest Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 1: Is the question, and sixty five percent say no. To start.
Speaker 1: Let me start there with Carson Palmer Carson Packers. Let's
Speaker 1: say you had to pick one. They get home field
Speaker 1: advantage in the playoffs, but no rest for Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: Or you rest Aaron Rodgers for a couple of games
Speaker 1: and he starts the playoffs completely healthy with no home
Speaker 1: field advantage. Well, I don't think it's a guarantee that
Speaker 1: if you rest Aaron for a week or two weeks
Speaker 1: or three weeks, that he gets back to one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: When you're talking about a broken bone and a foot,
Speaker 1: it could take a month. So at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, when you combine that with the fact that
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packer home field advantage is probably unlike
Speaker 1: any other in the league. When you've got weather concerns
Speaker 1: that an opposing team has to come in and that
Speaker 1: fan base doesn't sell their tickets, that fan base shows
Speaker 1: up to the game, they're not selling their tickets to
Speaker 1: potential opposing fans where they're going to lose some of
Speaker 1: that crowd noise. So I think it's too important to
Speaker 1: keep that number one seed and keep that advantage in
Speaker 1: their favor. Explain this as a former quarterback of the
Speaker 1: pinky toe on his left foot is plant foot as
Speaker 1: opposed to his right foot. How does that affect your throwing?
Speaker 1: I really don't think it should affect it that much.
Speaker 1: I mean, as far as is today's you know, with
Speaker 1: all the equipment and the things and the footbeds you
Speaker 1: can put, the orthotics that you can put in a
Speaker 1: shoe to really help protect that pinky toe. I think
Speaker 1: that's going to be really nice. I'm sure that their
Speaker 1: training staff is on top of that, bringing in a
Speaker 1: consultant or a specialist that can create some sort of
Speaker 1: footbed in his shoe to protect it as much as possible.
Speaker 1: But where it really limits him is when he takes
Speaker 1: off and runs. It's not so much the throwing. It's
Speaker 1: not planning and stepping and rotating into throws. It's when
Speaker 1: he needs to extend to play and get outside pocket
Speaker 1: and take off on third down with his legs where
Speaker 1: the biggest concern will be. And also when you watch
Speaker 1: him throw, as you've talked about, you tell young quarterbacks
Speaker 1: don't try to emulate Aaron Rodgers. He has so many
Speaker 1: of those off balance throws. He's not really one of
Speaker 1: those I'm going to step into a throw and plant
Speaker 1: with my left leg. No, He's got that Bryson to
Speaker 1: Shambo swing where right at impact and right when the
Speaker 1: ball's coming out. A lot of the times his back
Speaker 1: foot is off the ground, he's already accelerated through the
Speaker 1: throw and gotten his hip through the throw and that
Speaker 1: foot comes off the ground. And like you're saying, with
Speaker 1: these young quarterbacks, there's so many guys coaching keep all
Speaker 1: seven studs. You have seven studs on each cleat, seven
Speaker 1: cleats that are coming out of the bottom of the
Speaker 1: foot of the cleat. And we're always taught as youngsters
Speaker 1: is keeping those seven studs in the ground to get
Speaker 1: as much ground force as you can, to create as
Speaker 1: much velocity in the throw. And so Aaron just does
Speaker 1: it different. I still don't know how he does it.
Speaker 1: We need a physicist to come in and explain it
Speaker 1: to all of us. But he very rarely has all
Speaker 1: seven studs in the grass. We asked this question earlier
Speaker 1: on the show. You could have Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: Who do you want? I would take Herbert right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is so special and so so different
Speaker 1: physically athletically, he is so gifted. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: anything about Joe that that he's not. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: the velocity on and the RPMs on the football. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have the long ball ability with the touch that
Speaker 1: Justin's shown. Joe's got another set of traits that are
Speaker 1: that are spectacular, and his confidence, his knowledge of the game,
Speaker 1: his coolness and calmness in the pocket are spectacular, and
Speaker 1: those are outliers compared to other quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 1: But when you just look at the raw talent and
Speaker 1: the raw athleticism of Justin Herbert, there aren't many like him.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe Patrick Holmes is on the same level. Um,
Speaker 1: there's probably another guy or two that you can when
Speaker 1: you watch them play, they do absolutely off the charts
Speaker 1: things physically. But right now, I think I think Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert has more athletic ability and more physical just physical
Speaker 1: rawness that you can't teach. You can't coach, you can't
Speaker 1: show a guy how to do. He just has it.
Speaker 1: Can a quarterback run too much? Absolutely? Absolutely? I mean
Speaker 1: I agree. When I was coming up in the league,
Speaker 1: Michael Vick was a guy I loved watching play and
Speaker 1: still loved watching his highlights. You know, he ran a lot,
Speaker 1: and he took a pounding and it caught up to
Speaker 1: him at some point. And you know, I used to
Speaker 1: joke around with him. I'd see him at different events
Speaker 1: and even vic when he was running for one, he
Speaker 1: would always get that last couple of yards going out
Speaker 1: of bounds, and it wasn't a bone crushing hit, but
Speaker 1: he would just get shoved and then there'd be a
Speaker 1: cameraman or a third down marker in his way, and
Speaker 1: he'd end up falling and rolling out of bounds and
Speaker 1: landing on his shoulder and his neck and his ankle,
Speaker 1: and just all these little incremental hits add up, especially
Speaker 1: when you talk about a guy going into year eight, nine, ten, twelve, fifteen.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, I think you can run too much and
Speaker 1: take an unnecessary amount of pounding on your body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought Michael Vick was a boat action like talent,
Speaker 1: but he just didn't put in the time in the
Speaker 1: I think he had God given ability, and I don't
Speaker 1: you know, unlike like Michael Jordan or you know, athletes
Speaker 1: of that, like Tiger, they had that god given ability,
Speaker 1: but they had the desire to be unbelievably great. And
Speaker 1: I always thought that, you know, Michael took it for
Speaker 1: granted that he was just athletically gifted and he could
Speaker 1: have been so much better. I never felt like that,
Speaker 1: And I don't know, you know, individual study habits of
Speaker 1: guys and can't comment on that, but I loved watching
Speaker 1: him play. I thought he was as unique a talent
Speaker 1: as any of us have ever seen. There may not
Speaker 1: be another mike Vic, but I don't know as far
Speaker 1: as study, habits and desire. Every time I've been around him,
Speaker 1: he absolutely loves the game. He knows the game, and
Speaker 1: from coaches that I've been around, like coach Mora and
Speaker 1: a handful of others, loved working with him and loved
Speaker 1: everything that he brought to the team. Watching the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 1: We're talking to Carson Palmer watching the Bills yesterday. They
Speaker 1: kind of woke up in the fourth quarter. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they found something after they had something missing
Speaker 1: for the last couple of weeks here. But I just
Speaker 1: I don't know what their identity is, Carson. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they know what kind of team they are.
Speaker 1: What did you sense from what they did first three
Speaker 1: quarters to what they did in the fourth quarter? And
Speaker 1: is that going to change things? In the last month, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seemed to me like all of a sudden, they realize,
Speaker 1: hold on, we're about to be maybe on the seventh
Speaker 1: maybe the eighth spot and the AFC playoff picture, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they started showing up and playing.
Speaker 1: You know, I was so excited about watching this team
Speaker 1: this year, and I'm in the same boat. I don't
Speaker 1: know who they are. I've seen them lose to some
Speaker 1: teams they should not have lost too. I've seen them
Speaker 1: play unbelievable football, but the best teams this time of year.
Speaker 1: We're in December, now, we're almost in January. This is
Speaker 1: playoff football team. You can't go into a playoff game
Speaker 1: and start playing in the fourth quarter, especially against the
Speaker 1: defending champs, especially against Bruce Arens, especially against Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: You're gonna get beat and you're gonna get knocked out
Speaker 1: of the playoffs. So you know, this team has I
Speaker 1: really like Singletary the running back. I really like Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: I really like the defense. I really like coach McDermott.
Speaker 1: There's so many things to want to like and believe in,
Speaker 1: but they've shown us just enough that we really can't
Speaker 1: trust them. We don't know who they are. And if
Speaker 1: they do find a way to squeak into the playoffs somehow,
Speaker 1: some way, if they show up like that against anybody
Speaker 1: on a playoff day on Sunday, they're gonna get beat
Speaker 1: like they did yesterday. How big is this game for
Speaker 1: the Cardinals and the Rams? Tonight big for both. I
Speaker 1: mean when you look at both, you know both those conferences,
Speaker 1: THEFC and the NFC, the best divisions are on the West.
Speaker 1: You look at what's going on in the NFC West,
Speaker 1: there's three teams maybe that can make the playoffs. And
Speaker 1: the same thing can be said about the AFC West.
Speaker 1: There might be three teams that can squeak in. So
Speaker 1: to get that number one seed, to know that you're
Speaker 1: in and know that when you do get to week sixteen,
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen, knowing that you won this division between these
Speaker 1: two teams that are playing tonight, you know you got
Speaker 1: that in the bag. Then you can start resting the
Speaker 1: seventeenth week and eighteenth week of the season and make
Speaker 1: sure whether it's Aaron Donald who's banged up or Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray with an ankle. It gives you that luxury of
Speaker 1: resting those guys if you know you have this division
Speaker 1: locked up. I've been holding off the obvious. Got the well,
Speaker 1: you got the heisman, not technically in my hands yet
Speaker 1: it is actually at the College Football Hall of Fame, Okay,
Speaker 1: but they opened it. They found a way to open
Speaker 1: the Heisman. They found a way to open it. We've
Speaker 1: got it, Thank you FedEx. It securely got there. We
Speaker 1: really appreciate everything FedEx has done. Really appreciate what your
Speaker 1: boys in the office have done. And it got home. Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't get home yet, but it got to safer
Speaker 1: hands than the Dan Patrick show. Yeah, and I felt bad,
Speaker 1: and I was going to make an example of somebody,
Speaker 1: but I can't afford to fire somebody. So you know,
Speaker 1: I know you wanted somebody discipline, but I couldn't do it. Carson,
Speaker 1: We're sorry. We're sorry that you went through all of
Speaker 1: this and you you got the Heisman case and you
Speaker 1: didn't even get to open it up for your your
Speaker 1: big induction ceremony. Well, I did not want to see
Speaker 1: anybody discipline. I love Fritz, I love Turvy, I love Eric.
Speaker 1: Everybody is great. You guys are the best, and nobody
Speaker 1: deserves a discipline at the end of the day. The
Speaker 1: Heisman got from point A to point B just like
Speaker 1: we needed. Yeah, and I do put some blame on
Speaker 1: you because you trusted us. True. Well, you're in this
Speaker 1: like beautiful space, this little cozy din, this man cave,
Speaker 1: and I just feel like everything's so professional over there
Speaker 1: that I shouldn't have had to worry, And to be honest,
Speaker 1: I didn't worry. At the end of the day. It
Speaker 1: got there. It may not have got there the way
Speaker 1: we wanted or with any kind of timing at all,
Speaker 1: but it got there. Is the heisman being sent to you.
Speaker 1: The heisman currently is at the Hall of Fame for another,
Speaker 1: I believe, another couple months, and then it'll come back
Speaker 1: to me. And I think it'll come back with the
Speaker 1: he and in the correct box and and hopefully all
Speaker 1: on one big piece. Yeah, but you put it in
Speaker 1: the garage. You didn't even have it on display at
Speaker 1: your house. Is it going to stay in the garage again?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's I haven't had How long did
Speaker 1: you end up having it for like two or three years?
Speaker 1: How long did you have it for it? I don't
Speaker 1: remember the fact that you don't know how long we
Speaker 1: had it. I'm gonna guess we had it for two
Speaker 1: years maybe. Yeah. Yeah, do you need it back? Well,
Speaker 1: I I don't want to do that, never mind. I
Speaker 1: mean I'd love that I would okay, all right, I
Speaker 1: would love to have it back. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: great conversation piece. But the number of people go is
Speaker 1: that the real heisman? We go, yes, what do you
Speaker 1: what do you think it is? And they go why
Speaker 1: would he give it to you? And I go, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but he did. Yeah, And it looks like
Speaker 1: you're on the set of a game Game of Thrones
Speaker 1: episode there, like you got basement this castle. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: this is just the basement, the basement office it is.
Speaker 1: It is a little Game of Thrones feeling. You're right?
Speaker 1: Is that the wine seller? No, it's just it's just
Speaker 1: the basement. It's the basement of office. It's a beautiful
Speaker 1: staircase and umps. I could use a wine seller though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, well talk to Bledsoe. Bled So can
Speaker 1: help you with the wine. I love double Back wine
Speaker 1: he's doing. I have a bunch of his wine. It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: I do not have a wine seller. But maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe next time, maybe if you guys want
Speaker 1: to put a little money into the infrastructure here, we
Speaker 1: can shoot from the future wine seller. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's what I want to do. We lose things. We
Speaker 1: don't buy things. Carson. We're not We're not going to
Speaker 1: help you with your basement wine seller there, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: trust you or your crewment I agree. I agree. By
Speaker 1: the way, uh, the Urban Meyer Mike Vrabel handshake at
Speaker 1: the end of the game. A lot of people made
Speaker 1: a big deal about this. As a former player, is
Speaker 1: it a big deal that handshake after the game? It's not.
Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, it's not.
Speaker 1: But the immaturity of some of the things that have
Speaker 1: happened in Jacksonville. I mean, when when it seems like
Speaker 1: you're not as mature as some of your players, you
Speaker 1: got a problem. I mean, it's just one thing after
Speaker 1: another after another after another. And it's not hard. You know,
Speaker 1: cameras are on you. It's not hard to throw a
Speaker 1: smile or at least mouth the word good game and
Speaker 1: shake somebody's hand, especially somebody that you have a relationship
Speaker 1: ship with from the past. It was on your team.
Speaker 1: But I know it's definitely there's a bigger deal made
Speaker 1: of what actually happened. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: Coach Meyer just needs to at least it. Don't you
Speaker 1: even have to say good game. You can just say
Speaker 1: so that the cameras pick that up and and leave
Speaker 1: your hand in the other guy's hand for another, you know,
Speaker 1: six or seven seconds to make it look somewhat genuine.
Speaker 1: But you know, it seems that things have really gone
Speaker 1: south really quickly. I know, Shad Khan, you know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have, you know, a long leash on
Speaker 1: anybody that's come through that organization to get them right.
Speaker 1: I've heard tremendous stories about the ownership group. At some point,
Speaker 1: it looks like things are going to change thereon Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: But but so you think if he just mouths good
Speaker 1: game and just so it's the optics that we get
Speaker 1: to see this, then you're okay with urban Meyer kind
Speaker 1: of going through the motions. I look at everything through
Speaker 1: the quarterback's perspective and the organization's perspective, and from my
Speaker 1: viewpoint as the quarterback, and you're a rookie. And Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence then goes into his presser on Wednesday morning, and
Speaker 1: he's asked seven questions about urban Meyer and the distractions
Speaker 1: and the handshick. Trevor Lawrence needs to be focused on
Speaker 1: the Week fourteen opponent. He does not need to be
Speaker 1: answering questions about his coach telling his staff they're losers,
Speaker 1: him not shaking a guy's hand after the game and
Speaker 1: just being professional. These are all distractions. These things add up,
Speaker 1: and especially when you have a rookie quarterback this just
Speaker 1: trying to find his way and figure things out. The
Speaker 1: last thing he needs to do is be distracted by
Speaker 1: things that his head coach is doing, either outside the
Speaker 1: game and after the game or off the field. So
Speaker 1: you know, I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: when you look at it through the quarterback's perspective, that's
Speaker 1: the last thing that that Trevor Lawrence needs to be
Speaker 1: worried about is and answering questions on Wednesday and Thursday
Speaker 1: after practice and Friday after practice. It's it's just these
Speaker 1: things are mounting up and it has a negative effect
Speaker 1: on the future your franchise. In Trevor Lawrence more concerned
Speaker 1: about Urban Meyer moving forward or Trevor Lawrence, Oh urban
Speaker 1: Meyer one hundred percent. I Trevor Lawrence is what he
Speaker 1: did at the collegiate level will give him a couple
Speaker 1: of years to figure it out. In the NFL, what
Speaker 1: he's done in a handful of games will give you
Speaker 1: a little more leniency. Now, there was the four pit
Speaker 1: game yesterday that those are some issues that they'll need
Speaker 1: to get over, but those are also things that young
Speaker 1: quarterbacks go through, and those are some of the growing pains.
Speaker 1: But Trevor, in my opinion, has all the upside in
Speaker 1: the world. He's playing for. I know this organization has
Speaker 1: not been great since Sean CON's taken over, but he's
Speaker 1: playing for a great owner that's willing to do what
Speaker 1: it takes to win and willing to spend what it
Speaker 1: takes to win. And so at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: when you combine raw talent that Trevor Lawrence has, and
Speaker 1: he's done it on a big stage. And needless to say,
Speaker 1: that was college and that was the BCS in the
Speaker 1: playoffs in college, and I know it's a different game
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but he's done it against the Alabamas
Speaker 1: and some of the teams in the SEC. It will
Speaker 1: soon carry over to the NFL level. So there is
Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind that Trevor Lawrence is going
Speaker 1: to stick around in this league for a long time.
Speaker 1: What's it like when you lose confidence in your coach?
Speaker 1: It's hard, It's hard. It's just again, these are distractions
Speaker 1: when you when you're worried about your head coach, benching
Speaker 1: a player, or you know, not playing some of your
Speaker 1: best players to make a statement when you're worried about
Speaker 1: having to answer questions all the time, like we just
Speaker 1: talked about, you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: they're going to figure these things out. They're going to
Speaker 1: get better. If that's with Urban as the coach or not.
Speaker 1: It's the right or ownership group, it's the right young talent,
Speaker 1: They're going to figure things out in Jacksonville. But did
Speaker 1: you go through a period where you didn't trust your coach.
Speaker 1: I've been really fortunate. I played from Bruce Arians to
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis to Pete Carroll. I was very fortunate. I
Speaker 1: played for some great ones. I've seen some opposing players
Speaker 1: and talk to guys I played against that went through
Speaker 1: some very Urban like situations with their coaching staff or
Speaker 1: their coordinator and no confidence in their coordinator, frustrations with
Speaker 1: their QB coach. I've seen it, and I've seen how
Speaker 1: that can just weigh you down, especially as a young player.
Speaker 1: So it absolutely can be a distraction. It absolutely can
Speaker 1: be an issue, and the right ownership group does the
Speaker 1: right makes the right move at the right time. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if we saw a different head coach
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville next year. But I wonder abound Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: in that situation right now. Carson just feels like there's
Speaker 1: some frustration there. It does, but I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't think that should directly be pointed on Pete Carroll.
Speaker 1: I mean, Pete Carroll's proven that he can win a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He's proven that he can build and construct
Speaker 1: a really good defense. He's he started over mean, you
Speaker 1: look back at what Pete did when he first got
Speaker 1: there and they somehow got to the playoffs and Matt
Speaker 1: Hasselbeck was the guy, and then he built the legion
Speaker 1: of boom. I don't think that Russell needs to be
Speaker 1: frustrated with the head coach. It looks like he's frustrated
Speaker 1: more with the organization. But it's tough. I mean, when
Speaker 1: you when you talk about one of the best organizations
Speaker 1: in all of sports, like the Seattle Seahawks, you know
Speaker 1: you can want out and you can want something different,
Speaker 1: but the grass is not always greener on the other side.
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Speaker 1: This day in sports history. Final results of the poll
Speaker 1: question sixty four percent say the Packers play Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: all the way through. Only thirty eight percent say rest
Speaker 1: him if it costs him home field. Yeah. Green Bay
Speaker 1: will be at Baltimore, New England, and will be at Indie,
Speaker 1: Kansas City at the Chargers, Washington at Philadelphia, New Orleans
Speaker 1: at Tampa Bay. Tampa has not defeated the Saints since
Speaker 1: Tom Brady got there. Oh and three against the Saints
Speaker 1: twenty and five against everyone else, the Saints won by
Speaker 1: eleven and won by thirty five last year, thirty eight
Speaker 1: to three. Then they won by nine with Trevor Simeon.
Speaker 1: You are six and seven on the year. If you're
Speaker 1: the Saints, you have got to have this win. Chris
Speaker 1: Collinsworth will join us on the program tomorrow, as will
Speaker 1: the Heisman Trophy winner Bryce Young. Shawndy in Montana joins us.
Speaker 1: Hopefully I got that right, Shawndy. Absolutely, what's on your mind?
Speaker 1: Good morning, Dan, How are you doing great? Awesome? Thank
Speaker 1: you for taking my call first time, long time five
Speaker 1: five and a hard one sixty two with love handles
Speaker 1: from going to start words first, My worst is the
Speaker 1: played by Rule Amenez for the wolver Hamperton Wanderers. He
Speaker 1: got yellow carded and then not only thirty seconds later,
Speaker 1: gets a second one for not backing up and letting
Speaker 1: the guy play the ball, gets a red card, gets
Speaker 1: kicked out of the game, leaves his team one player
Speaker 1: down the whole second half. The Wolves end up losing
Speaker 1: one to nothing against Man City. Just you're when you're
Speaker 1: the face of the franchise, when you are the director,
Speaker 1: you need to be better than that. And my best
Speaker 1: of the weekend is to piggyback off of Paulis Montana
Speaker 1: State Baby. The kid is from be Montana. He is
Speaker 1: a freshman, started the year fourth on the squad, started
Speaker 1: his first game last week. This was his second career
Speaker 1: start touchdown. Tommy Malatt ended up with five touchdowns on
Speaker 1: the day, four or two in the air, two on
Speaker 1: the ground, and one. Seeley Special caught it himself right
Speaker 1: with a fifty eight yard touchdown run. So all right, well,
Speaker 1: thank you Shandy. A little niche there, you know with
Speaker 1: the soccer, you know, just a quick mention then we
Speaker 1: move on, you know. I don't need play by play.
Speaker 1: It's like a manifesto. And then he did Red Cone.
Speaker 1: He got another kind in thirty seconds later, and it
Speaker 1: was a big moment. An excuse him. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: Rich in Nebraska, high Rich, what's on your mind? How
Speaker 1: do have a best and a worse for you? Dan?
Speaker 1: I think our worst in Nebraska is that we're finally
Speaker 1: realizing maybe we're not a football school. But their best
Speaker 1: is that now we are a volleyball school. Our team
Speaker 1: has reached the final four or five of the last
Speaker 1: seven years and defeat did number two Texas over the weekend. Alright, well,
Speaker 1: good luck packing in the arena with ninety thousand people
Speaker 1: like you do with football for a volleyball. Oh, all right,
Speaker 1: this day in sports history, Paul. In nineteen forty nine,
Speaker 1: the American League rejected the revival of the spitball. The
Speaker 1: spitball was banned in nineteen twenty, and they had some
Speaker 1: type of meeting said that can we bring this back?
Speaker 1: I can imagine doing that. Nineteen sixty six, the rights
Speaker 1: to the first four Super Bowls were sold to CBS
Speaker 1: and NBC for a total for Forest Bowls nine point
Speaker 1: five million dollars. For the rights, it's a nice part
Speaker 1: eighty three Pistons, Nuggets twenty four and at two thousand
Speaker 1: tiens one of our favorites, the New York Giants in
Speaker 1: a Minnesota Vikings game at Detroit's Ford Field had to
Speaker 1: be played at Detroit's Ford Field. The game was moved
Speaker 1: due to the collapse of the inflatable roof at the
Speaker 1: Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome Mall of America the previous day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the former director of our show, the TV portion of
Speaker 1: this at Direct TV, his nickname was Mango, And the
Speaker 1: night before he a camera inside the metrodo and he
Speaker 1: just said, keep the camera rolling. And that's when you
Speaker 1: had the snow that crashed down onto the football field.
Speaker 1: But Mango had the wherewith all the foresight to go,
Speaker 1: Let's just put a camera in there. See if something happens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in retrospect to it might have been better if he
Speaker 1: grabbed a shovel on a couple of boys, that's true,
Speaker 1: maybe cleared the roof there. The Mitchell Report two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven was publicly released listing the names of eighty
Speaker 1: nine baseball players alleged to have used steroids in Htah.
Speaker 1: Among the names, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitt, mcguel, Tejada, and
Speaker 1: Eric Gagne. I saw where Tom Verducci is reconsidering Big
Speaker 1: Poppy on his ballot. I guess in a bad way.
Speaker 1: I don't know all the details, but I just saw
Speaker 1: that Verducci said that he was reconsidering Big Poppy. And
Speaker 1: you know, there are a couple of baseball writers have
Speaker 1: great respect for that are gonna give Clemens and Bonds
Speaker 1: the vote. One more go round here and it might
Speaker 1: be close. I don't know if it's one of those
Speaker 1: twenty years from now, fifteen years from now, a veterans
Speaker 1: committee comes in and puts them in. By the way,
Speaker 1: they finally corrected a wrong. They put Buck O'Neill in,
Speaker 1: and I don't care how he gets in. Buck O'Neill
Speaker 1: deserved just for contributions to the game. Buck O'Neill played
Speaker 1: in the Negro leagues, and Buck would be the guy
Speaker 1: who would speak on behalf of these African American players
Speaker 1: who had died, and then Buck was almost the historian
Speaker 1: because he had played against them, and it just felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, people should recognize Buck O'Neill, and he was
Speaker 1: such a wonderful man. He was always in a good
Speaker 1: mood and I'm very, very high that he got in.
Speaker 1: Now we couldn't have discussions about Jim Cott or Tony
Speaker 1: Eliva or Minni Minosa getting into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: But you know, I want to celebrate the game. It
Speaker 1: feels like when we get to the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: we don't celebrate baseball, certainly because it's always negative. We
Speaker 1: don't celebrate the game. It's like who got in or
Speaker 1: who didn't get in? Who voted for somebody who didn't.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no celebration there, And hopefully with these
Speaker 1: players getting in, there's a celebration. Unfortunately, Buck O'Neil is
Speaker 1: not alive. But Jim Cott wonderful spokesperson and was a
Speaker 1: very good pitcher. Tony Eliva before he got injured it
Speaker 1: was a great hitter. But celebrating the game, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's it's so important and we don't do enough of that.
Speaker 1: Otis in Ohio, Hey, Otis, what's on your mind? Hey
Speaker 1: Dan and dan At thanks for having my accepting my call.
Speaker 1: I wanted to let you know I live here in Columbus, Ohio,
Speaker 1: and it's one of the worst kept secrets. I believe
Speaker 1: it was two thousand and fifteen, but Urban was the
Speaker 1: coach at Ohio State and Vrabel was his defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: and I believe the story goes at halftime Urban asked
Speaker 1: Varbel directly in the locker room, is your defense going
Speaker 1: to stop anybody? And I think that was the Shaun
Speaker 1: Watson's year. Anyway, there was a physical Vbel never was
Speaker 1: with the university after that day, so that there was
Speaker 1: more to that yesterday. They are non nemesis. The only
Speaker 1: question here in town is whether it's going to be
Speaker 1: Varabel or Fickle when Ryan Day takes the Bears shop.
Speaker 1: All right, well, thanks for the phone call. Otis Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd heard that they're not friends and that and that
Speaker 1: story about the rumored altercation is certainly out there. What
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