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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney, alongside

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Speaker 1: my co host Matt Miller. Every business day, we bring

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Speaker 1: getting some news that at three pm Wall Street time

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Speaker 1: today to CDC will have a press conference presumably some

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Speaker 1: being some reports that perhaps some man mask mandates will

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Speaker 1: be reintroduced for certain populations. Will certainly bring that to

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Speaker 1: you later today. But it just shows the long tale

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Speaker 1: of this COVID pandemic, if you will. And there's obviously

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Speaker 1: there's regional differences. But let's get the latest with Bob Langreth,

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Speaker 1: healthcare reporter for Bloomberg News. He's got his big take

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Speaker 1: story today and Bob again the news today about a

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Speaker 1: CDC perhaps uh rein instating some form of a mask

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Speaker 1: mandate for certain populations. Again, it just highlights this thing

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Speaker 1: ain't going away for all, is it absolutely not? I mean,

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Speaker 1: and the US health officials and CDC is going to

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Speaker 1: be returning reporting to tighter guidelines. They use some masks

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Speaker 1: and will be advising where fully vaccinated visual individuals where

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Speaker 1: they're in public indoor settings and places where the virus

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Speaker 1: is spreading rapidly. So yeah, they are going to tighten

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Speaker 1: still recommending that teachers and students returned to school but

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Speaker 1: wearing masks UH indoors. That's what reporting reporting. So they're

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Speaker 1: gonna dill backs and what they said before, but definitely

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Speaker 1: on the worldwide basis the kind of this there's in

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Speaker 1: this tendency. Our report in unit to try to wanted

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Speaker 1: to clear this is over before it's over, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and really the virus is to some extent in control

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Speaker 1: of this, UH and we'll only know when it's over

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Speaker 1: in retrospex, and it's becoming increasingly clear there's going to

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Speaker 1: be a kind of long tale to this UH virus pandemic.

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Speaker 1: While the worst may be over in the US and

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Speaker 1: for quite some time to come. For sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: of them. I mean it's over for me and Paul

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Speaker 1: because we're fully vaccinated and uh, you know, the worst

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Speaker 1: But clearly there are billions of people around the world

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Speaker 1: for whom it isn't And what worries me, Bob, is

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Speaker 1: that the unvaccinated are going to um, you know, house

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Speaker 1: this thing and allow it to mutate into something that

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Speaker 1: even me and Paul can't fend off. Is that a

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Speaker 1: concern among scientists as well? Well, it's definitely a concern

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Speaker 1: that they're longer this there's this virus kind of hangs

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Speaker 1: virus to continue to mutate into new forms that we

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Speaker 1: But just to be clear, Bob, in terms of the

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Speaker 1: But we were all fully vaccinated. I mean in terms

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Speaker 1: we've really got to get this vaccine out to the

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Speaker 1: rest of the world. Bob blank Breath writing the Big Take,

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Speaker 1: Check it out on NI Big Take. This is Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: Are Brandon Lynn Franco now Director of Economic Indicators and

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Speaker 1: Surveys for the Conference Board, And we just had some

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Speaker 1: consumer confidence data that was better than the street had anticipated.

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Speaker 1: the Conference Board Consumer Confidence Index came in at one nine,

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Speaker 1: the point is consumers are more and more confident LYN

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Speaker 1: even as well, certainly UM, the media and governments are

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Speaker 1: having a negative impact on consumer confidence. In fact, we're

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Speaker 1: those supply chain issues to dissipate by year end UM.

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Speaker 1: But yes, absolutely the structural will step up and B

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Speaker 1: two C has certainly been noted. I mean, you don't

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Speaker 1: you don't just cover ups. You like Norfolk Southern, you

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Speaker 1: like Canadian Pacific Um. It looks like in general you're

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Speaker 1: is you know, we've had that consumer recovery right, that's

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Speaker 1: been noted, but as you seek a step back, industrial

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Speaker 1: has been slower to start, and there's certainly been some

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Speaker 1: noted supply chain challenges, labor challenges. But we see the

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Speaker 1: and that would benefit certainly the rails and to a

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Speaker 1: lesser extent UPS as well. Hey, Alison, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: The stock is down eight point seven percent today, so

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Speaker 1: spooking the market there with their earnings. Alison Plenty Accustic.

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Speaker 1: She's director of equity Research. She covers transportation, industrial technology,

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Speaker 1: all that fun stuff that supply chain the backbone of

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Speaker 1: industrial transportation for Wells, Fargo, Secure Teas and and Matt

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Speaker 1: And My first job on Wall Street was a research

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Speaker 1: assistant doing rails and trucks and all the transportation stuff.

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Speaker 1: So it's a lot of fun and it is literally

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Speaker 1: the backbone of this, you know, US industrial economy. You

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Speaker 1: know what I miss, uh, blimps. I wish blimps would

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Speaker 1: come back. I would travel by blimp, you would travel

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Speaker 1: school when I was a kid, um well it when

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Speaker 1: a company cargo lifter that would um that was going

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Speaker 1: to try and transport stuff also by blimp. They went

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Speaker 1: bankrupt the course, but yeah, what happened to that? All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll get we'll take take a look at that. Thanks

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