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Speaker 1: games one a top fiver of all time I think

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Speaker 1: I've seen in the NFL. And there are just so

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Speaker 1: many storylines. Sam Darnold, Doubters, not much left. He was sensational.

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Speaker 1: So was Matt Stafford. Seattle beats the Rams thirty one

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Speaker 1: twenty seven. Listen all year long for the Rams specialtymes.

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Speaker 1: They had the fumble, their corners were a problem again.

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Speaker 1: They got down into the red zone fourth and four,

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Speaker 1: couldn't convert. And when you when you talk about a

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Speaker 1: game of this magnitude, John and we were watching a

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Speaker 1: heavyweight fight I mean, I mean, I grew up with

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Speaker 1: This thing was just like bombs away. But there's just

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Speaker 1: these moments and that fourth and four I thought that.

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Speaker 1: I thought the Matt Stafford drive where they didn't get anything,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was one of the best Sam, one

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Speaker 1: I thought he. I mean, Seattle's defense is one thing.

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Speaker 1: I feel bad for the Rams. They just we knew

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Speaker 2: John.

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Speaker 1: We had talked about it last week. Seattle special teams

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Speaker 1: teams cost the Rams. And that that fumble was it.

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Speaker 2: To me if you told me at the beginning of

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Speaker 2: and almost throw for three hundred and fifty yards. I

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Speaker 2: would have said Seattle won this game by fifteen points. So,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is not the formula typically they play.

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Speaker 2: So if you're gonna give up that many yards to

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Speaker 2: Sam who obviously had one of the best games of

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Speaker 2: he's going to be that efficient and that good. Like

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Speaker 2: you said, I mean, if you look at those two plays,

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Speaker 2: to DeVante, he doesn't pull the trigger. I think he

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Speaker 2: Stafford could say, I wish I just would have thrown

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Speaker 2: throws in the back of the end zone. Then obviously

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Speaker 2: the fourth down play. But yeah, I mean it's just Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Seattle's defense wasn't as dominant. I mean, yeah, they're not

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Speaker 2: playing the banged up Niners. So this is the best

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Speaker 2: guy looks fantastic. Pooka obviously plays really well against the Rams.

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Speaker 2: DeVante was making plays, those two guys humming like they

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Speaker 2: He you know, Sharboney out. They become very dependent on him.

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Speaker 2: They're a running team. Yeah, I know. They throw him

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Speaker 2: they want to play. I also think Sam Darnold the

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Speaker 2: Shanahan Kubiak play where you fake the handoff and boot.

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Speaker 2: He had a stretch where fourteen interceptions I think six fumbles.

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Speaker 2: He was smart, just hit the ground, lived to fight

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Speaker 2: a turnover. So you're not gonna fumble it. You're not

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Speaker 2: So a mistake. These offenses were gonna make you pay.

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Speaker 2: all these teams run this offense, quarterbacks freak, they throw

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Speaker 2: and that was you know, we talked about Sam the

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Speaker 2: seeing ghost. He goes forever playing smart, even last year

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Speaker 2: one's gonna talk about the sacks, but that those plays

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Speaker 1: Think about this. Sam Darnald left the Jets, he went

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Speaker 1: twenty seventh of that year, start Sam Donald. From that

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Speaker 1: malomes a second, and he has the most one hundred

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Speaker 1: So I think when you think about this John, four

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Speaker 1: Sam is more explosive than surgical, like like that's what

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Speaker 1: explosive than surgical. That's Sam. Andrew Luck, by the way,

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Speaker 1: They've played Houston, they've played Denver, so they're used to

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Speaker 2: Well, Sam's gonna play like he just played for three hours,

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Speaker 2: Seattle's winning the Super Bowl like this, this thing's over.

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Speaker 2: If Sam Darnold is gonna play like that, they've proven

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Speaker 2: they could win games where he throws for one hundred

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Speaker 2: if he's gonna throw for three to fifty, I see,

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Speaker 2: under no circumstance they lose because their defense won. The

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Speaker 2: right and to me, I had to Buddy text me

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Speaker 2: this week He's like, how does JSN lead the league

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Speaker 2: the first half they were more explosive offensively the first

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Speaker 2: The offense just kind of hit a rut. But again,

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Speaker 2: what are great teams Like Brady didn't have to throw

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Speaker 2: week he played at Jimmy GAROPPOLOI Game three, one hundred

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Speaker 2: then today they had to match him like he you

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Speaker 2: know a lot of people, he's a polarizing player. Rightfully,

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Speaker 2: so there is noe you do this in the NFC

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Speaker 2: Championship game, throw for three hundred and forty yards, Colin

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Speaker 2: he only had nine income Am I doing eleven? Twenty

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Speaker 2: How many balls were like woll that was a bad pass.

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Speaker 2: knew it was gonna come. It was basically a lock

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Speaker 1: New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. Yeah, I didn't mention both

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Speaker 1: their guards. I mean, Dotson has been like the top

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Speaker 1: and that team lost Seattle. You know, Seattle plays with

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Speaker 1: a good job to match it today because Seattle just

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Speaker 1: is I mean they come out swinging, I mean they're

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Speaker 1: they're not a conservative fighter. I mean they come out

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Speaker 1: John Donald Sam Darnald matches the Seahawks roster. Whereas if

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Speaker 1: you look at the Rams. It's very surgical. What they

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Speaker 1: do is surgical. So that's Stafford. Donald is more dynamic

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Speaker 1: and more explosive, less surgical, but that's the Seahawks. I

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Speaker 1: mean they may they have some penalties, they have some turnovers.

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Speaker 1: I mean that you see the Tarique Wooden stuff today

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Speaker 1: is just nonsense. You're just like pulling your hair out.

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Speaker 1: But that's what Seattle does. They make those mistakes, those

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Speaker 1: youth full, immature mistakes of young players, and they're barking

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Speaker 1: at each other on the sideline, the safety in the corner.

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Speaker 1: But it's part of I think what why Darnald fits.

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Speaker 1: He's one of them. Like the team is a risk

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Speaker 1: taking team. Rams are surgical. The Seahawks are like you know,

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Speaker 1: they're they're they've got a good strong chin, but they

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Speaker 1: leave themselves open, you know. They they open themselves up

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Speaker 1: to getting tagged. And the Rams had to match and

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Speaker 1: almost didn't. Early the Rams had to match their energy

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Speaker 1: did But in the end, I think both of us

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Speaker 1: felt like I thought the Rams would win today because

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Speaker 1: you know, I just thought it would come down to

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Speaker 1: you like make May and Stafford. But we said this

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Speaker 1: multiple times this year. When you watch the Seahawks and

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Speaker 1: turn the sound down. They don't look like anybody else.

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Speaker 1: They're just just explosive and fast and long and powerful.

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Speaker 1: And they have a defensive line rotation. Dude, everybody runs well.

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Speaker 1: Everybody in the team runs well.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean they probably have the best they

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Speaker 2: I mean, they have, if not the best looking defensive line.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, top two or three, best defensive line

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Speaker 2: looking team in the league. Me. So when that's your

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Speaker 2: point of difference, is your defensive line. I mean, look

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Speaker 2: at the Texans. Their offense was horrendous and they still

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Speaker 2: had a chance because their defensive line was that good.

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Speaker 2: So I just think Seattle, you know, to do this

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Speaker 2: with this team that to start the season. I just

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Speaker 2: don't feel a lot of people were picking them. And

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Speaker 2: this is also you know, Buffalo, who has gone through

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Speaker 2: a lot these last Cup having home field advantage unless

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Speaker 2: it turns into a blizzard and then it becomes a

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Speaker 2: coin is a really big deal. Yes, Stafford has to

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Speaker 2: kneel down to communicate with his teammates. McVeigh was talking

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Speaker 2: clearly to Brady and Burkhard about how important the communication was.

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Speaker 2: He thought it was terrible last week in Chicago, He's like,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be even louder. It is a huge point

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Speaker 2: of difference in football because unlike baseball or basketball, this

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Speaker 2: isn't two three to two. You know this, You don't

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Speaker 2: get to go back and forth. You get one game.

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Speaker 2: And this is not that the Rams have a home

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Speaker 2: field advantage. Just having the home game just neutralizes what

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Speaker 2: happens to Seattle, even if it's a fifty to fifty

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Speaker 2: split of.

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Speaker 1: Fans and Seattle. A young team feeds off that energy.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, they were up twenty four unless they fumbled

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Speaker 2: that punt, twenty four to three. The way they started

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Speaker 2: the game, scored a touchdown, like they came out ready

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Speaker 2: and being as like you said, being aggressive. They were

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Speaker 2: gonna lean being aggressive. Even a couple of times I

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Speaker 2: thought that I could see Kobak running the ball like Pops.

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Speaker 1: Well, how about they threw the ball.

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Speaker 2: They were throwing constantly.

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Speaker 1: How About when they got down to under like two

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Speaker 1: minutes and Brady and Burkhart were like, and they threw

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Speaker 1: a flag. They're like, well they're throwing I mean they said, okay,

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Speaker 1: all you have to do is run here and the

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Speaker 1: game is over. And they threw they got a flag. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's just that defined Seattle. Like, guys, we're

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Speaker 1: not doing what everybody else does. And so I don't

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Speaker 1: think they'll go in even as a favorite against New England,

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Speaker 1: they'll play aggressive. I just think Seattle's identity is the

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Speaker 1: dark Side, you know, the Legion of the Boom and

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Speaker 1: the dark Side are this This franchise is very similar

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Speaker 1: to that where you have a defensive coach, an athletic

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Speaker 1: quarterback who's not that surgical, more elusive. You have a

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Speaker 1: defense that is young, fast, you lean on the run game,

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Speaker 1: but you have a receiver or two that can burn

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Speaker 1: you all time. Stuff. Okay, New England beat Denver ten

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Speaker 1: to seven, so I think snow or not. I think

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Speaker 1: New England was a better team. But I will say

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Speaker 1: the second half was useless. I mean it was just survival.

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Speaker 1: It was like a man versus Wild you know, one

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Speaker 1: of those TV shows Like so, I almost thought they

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Speaker 1: should have if they had the weather forecast shut it

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Speaker 1: down for an hour. I'm like, this is brutal, CBS.

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Speaker 1: I felt bad for you couldn't see anything, you know,

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Speaker 1: there was a.

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Speaker 2: Yard they were on. I mean, how would you look

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Speaker 2: up like, I don't know, where they are on the field.

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Speaker 1: So there was a moment when they could have gone

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Speaker 1: up ten nothing and Sean Payton elected with a backup

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Speaker 1: quarterback to go for it. I would not have. I

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Speaker 1: would have kicked the field goal to go up ten.

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Speaker 1: Thing Now, I did not know. I looked up the weather.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think there was a blizzard in the forecast.

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Speaker 1: I thought it. You know, they were saying Tony Romo

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Speaker 1: at one point said the weather is getting really bad

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Speaker 1: and it's way worse than you see on TV, meaning

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Speaker 1: you can't tell wind necessarily when you're looking at field

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Speaker 1: in players unless you see a flag, so you know it.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you couldn't throw the ball. So what did you make?

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Speaker 1: First of all, I would have kicked the field goal.

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Speaker 1: This is analytically. I just disagree with this. I've said

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Speaker 1: it in the NBA. I think the mid range game,

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Speaker 1: especially in the playoffs, matters. So I need a bucket,

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Speaker 1: not a three. I don't care about math. Get me

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Speaker 1: a bucket, get me a stop, and I'm sorry when

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Speaker 1: you get to the playoffs, I want points, especially with

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Speaker 1: Jarrett Stidham, I want points. I mean, that's what's your

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Speaker 1: take on that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know when it became so in vogue, I

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Speaker 2: mean obviously the last several years, to go for it

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Speaker 2: early in these games, like late in the game of

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Speaker 2: that Ram Seattle game, it's a four point game. No

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Speaker 2: one has any problem with McVeigh going forward on fourth

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Speaker 2: and four because it was essentially fourth and goal you're

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Speaker 2: down for it felt like the game right there. Totally understandable.

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Speaker 2: In these first half of NFL playoff games. Most of

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Speaker 2: these do not play out to high scoring events, especially

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Speaker 2: in the AFC where the weather plays a big factor. So,

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Speaker 2: like you said, even if you don't know the crazy

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Speaker 2: blizzard is coming down the street. Here, you have a

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Speaker 2: backup quarterback playing. You are a defensive team. I mean

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Speaker 2: over the last couple of years, their defense it hasn't

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Speaker 2: played as well, but has definitely been one of the

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Speaker 2: better units in the league. You have a chance to

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Speaker 2: go up two scores against a quarterback who's what played

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Speaker 2: and this is his third playoff game of his career

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Speaker 2: and is how he's coming from bam Ohio State hasn't

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Speaker 2: played in that many big games the last five years.

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Speaker 2: So you go up multiple scores and Sean Payton and

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Speaker 2: Dan Campbell said this, he got his aggressiveness from watching Sean.

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Speaker 2: I'm never anti being aggressive, but in the first half

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Speaker 2: of a game when they have zero points, I never

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Speaker 2: understand not going for a field goal when you're opponent

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Speaker 2: at zero points. It's become an epidemic of teams going

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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson's the worst at this. In zero zero games.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, field goal, you get the lead.

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Speaker 2: Here I second half of games when both teams are

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Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, no one's stopping anybody. Five minutes into

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Speaker 2: a game or ten minutes into you have no clue

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Speaker 2: how it's gonna play out. And look how this thing

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Speaker 2: played out. But the points were literally the game. I

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Speaker 2: mean that decided the game. Now they ended up forcing

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Speaker 2: a punt, but then George Stidham had that fumble play

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Speaker 2: that that's a backup quarterback. I mean, that's at any

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Speaker 2: moment I know Sean tried to speak it into existence.

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Speaker 2: This guy hadn't played, So to think that you could

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Speaker 2: come out and running the scout team for five straight

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Speaker 2: months and then just play well, especially in a game.

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Speaker 2: Even if the wins and the snow hadn't come, it

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Speaker 2: was still twenty five degrees. So that's a big difference

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Speaker 2: than what we just witnessed in the NIKE Well yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I listen. I Denver only had four first

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Speaker 2: downs in the first half, but New England wasn't exactly

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Speaker 2: moving it up and down the field.

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Speaker 1: My take was, if you.

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Speaker 2: Watched dominated getting dominated in that game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So my take was, if you watched, if Sean

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Speaker 1: was watching the offensive line, his d line, Zach Allen, Benito,

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Speaker 1: we're dominating New England up front. So my take is

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Speaker 1: just take the ten nothing lead. Dude, they are they

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Speaker 1: may beat you instead of May throw a pick six

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Speaker 1: and make a huge mistake. But there they are struggling

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Speaker 1: up front to block great May was on the run

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Speaker 1: every play. In fact, it was interesting because I thought

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks O line, I mean, they had a couple

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Speaker 1: of blitz sacks. The Rams did, but the Seahawks O

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Speaker 1: line is the weakness of that team. I thought they

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Speaker 1: played pretty well. Left side of it's pretty good. But

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Speaker 1: I think somebody said four teams have never made the

644
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Robert Kraft has made eleven.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's made more Super Bowls than the Steelers

646
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: and the Niners. Think about that. They didn't what they

647
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: had been to two super Bowls up till two thousand

648
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Speaker 2: and one. The league had been rolling then for what

649
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: thirty plus years? They've been to two? How many they've

650
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Speaker 2: been to?

651
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: What?

652
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: Bill went to nine? Now Verbel they've been to ten

653
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Speaker 2: with in the last twenty Can you imagine, you know who?

654
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: Today was a bad day for being a Bills fan.

655
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: You've had the best player in the sport, or one

656
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: of them now for in his prime of his career

657
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: the last five years, and the Patriots just bottomed out

658
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: and then a couple of years later they got Verbel

659
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Speaker 2: May and Josh McDaniels.

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Speaker 1: And how about the Super Bowl? How about this? The

661
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: Patriots first dynasty started with a tuck rule game in

662
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Speaker 1: the blizzard. Their second dynasty maybe did it start with this?

663
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Speaker 1: Because I'm I'm serious, John, I've never seen a half

664
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Speaker 1: of football that washed out by weather. I mean, it

665
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: was insane. If you were going against I mean, if

666
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: you were going against the snow, there was nothing you

667
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: could do. You couldn't see, which I just I'm not

668
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Speaker 1: a snow game guy. I'm really not. It's like anything else.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody My dad was a pud foreman,

670
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: my stepdad, so he got hit by lightning one time,

671
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: or the poll did he was at. So it's like

672
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: nobody performs at their best in bad weather. I don't

673
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: care if it's a pilot, I don't care if it's

674
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: a pud forman, I don't care if it's a quarterback.

675
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm just I like to see these great athletes. You know, again,

676
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't mind. You know, sometimes you play

677
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: in a rain game and nobody's got there. It's kind

678
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: of fun. Rain games are kind of fun. Guys are

679
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: slipping around. But I don't know. I just I looked

680
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: at that game and I was I just thought it

681
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: was a huge disappointment for the league that were deciding

682
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowls and blizzards. I don't know, it just didn't

683
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Speaker 1: sit with me.

684
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: Well, one big advantage for the Patriots during that game

685
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: was May's legs and he kept plays live in Joe Sidham,

686
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: who I was told was this athlete. I mean, I

687
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: don't know. I didn't really see it, and I'm not

688
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 2: blaming him. He's a backup quarterback. Likes. I had no

689
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: expectations for him. The first drive he had of the game,

690
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, he's clearly that's a pretty big

691
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: army through a nice touchdown, passing the back of the

692
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: end zone, through the bomb earlier on that drive. But

693
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: as a game goes on, you and I have talked

694
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: about this all year. You gotta be careful about that

695
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: first drive.

696
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Speaker 1: In the NFL, Yeah it is.

697
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: It's a fake. It's a it's not quite a fugazi,

698
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: but it's kind of It's been mapped out in the

699
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: top coaches. Their first drives usually look pretty good. You

700
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: see Kubiaka, see McVeigh, you see Shanahan, see Andy, you

701
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: see Peyton. Like if they if they they usually go

702
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: down the field they're disappointed with three typically, So as

703
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: the game started, you saw him. He started getting raped

704
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: a little bit. He started scrambling when he might not

705
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: need to. And then by the time they get to

706
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: the second there was one play in the second half

707
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: where May through an out route and it probably missed

708
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: him by like seven yards. And then they throw a

709
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: back view of the wind and the snow. You're like,

710
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: you would hit a driver one hundred yards into this wind.

711
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: You know it's the wind, and that's why Romo said it.

712
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: You couldn't feel it. There was a time like how

713
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: bad is it? And then it started. It was so

714
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: clear that it was like you can't even function. But

715
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: that's kind of a that was always a Belichick thing,

716
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: no matter what you kind of felt they had the advantage.

717
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 2: You know, Vrabel takes this thing over. They had probably

718
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: better players than a lot of four win teams, that's

719
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: how bad their coach was. But they were not very good.

720
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: And last year Drake May and the offense was an embarrassment.

721
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: And this year we can talk about their schedule all

722
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: we want. They did beat the Bills in the regular season.

723
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Speaker 2: Then they beat Jim Harbaughs, Sean Payton and the best

724
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: defense in the league. Like, they've had a pretty good

725
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 2: little run here.

726
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: From a lot, I would have taken Denver to win.

727
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: If if bow Knicks would have played today, My feeling is, boy,

728
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: that would be hard not to take Denver. Bow just

729
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: played the best game of his career. It's interesting nobody

730
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: likes Bo Nicks or Sam Darnold. I mean that Donald

731
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: was great today and bow Knicks I think I probably

732
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Speaker 1: would have probably would have taken Denver if bow Knicks plays.

733
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, let's and I think it's a

734
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: good super Bowl. I think you have you have the

735
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: Robert Kraft returns, Vrabel and Drake May story is at

736
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: the next Tom Brady. So I think that's a great play.

737
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: And I think you have a seah Ok team. I

738
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: think the Sam Darnold redemption story is a real thing.

739
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: And listen, these are two really well run organizations, Seattle

740
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: trying to win a second Super Bowl with a new coach,

741
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Speaker 1: a new quarterback. I mean it's it's I think you

742
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: and I have talked about this, and I think the

743
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: audience has heard us say this is Seattle's GM. He

744
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: may not make as many deals as Howie Rose, but

745
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: there's an argument John Snyder in terms of just drafting

746
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: college athletes is the best we have in the sport.

747
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Speaker 1: He does not miss much at all.

748
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Speaker 2: I mean, well, I mean, look at the guys making

749
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 2: plays for him today. You saw, you know, the guard

750
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: from North Dakota State. You see are you making plays

751
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: left and right? You see? I mean Cooper Club as

752
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: an acquisition, well, I'd even say Jackson Smith when people

753
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: took him, he was good. But no one thought he

754
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: was going to be this and they pivoted off DK Metcalf.

755
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: They're like, we need him out of here so we

756
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: can feature that, which I don't blame them for trading DK,

757
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: but they thought highly more highly of Jackson Smith, and

758
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 2: I think I definitely I did. I mean they should

759
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: he led the league in receiving. I mean he was

760
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: basically Jerry Rice for like eighty percent of the first

761
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: half of the season. And to me, the thing with

762
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: Vrabel is how often it probably happened more in like

763
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: the seventies and eighties, former big time players would become coaches. Now,

764
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: with the money that these coach did, these players had made,

765
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Speaker 2: they're less likely to become into the grind of coaching

766
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: and nice Demiko's obviously kind of rare. But Vrabel he'd

767
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: be the first guy to ever win a Super Bowl

768
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: as a player with the team and then coach that

769
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: same team and win a Super Bowl. So they didn't

770
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Speaker 2: lose a road game. I think Kraft gave him the

771
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Speaker 2: ball after the game. I mean, this team has been

772
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Speaker 2: I thought they would be good and make the playoffs

773
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: because of their schedule, but being the Super Bowl, you

774
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: can't you can't luck your win to the super Bowl,

775
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: especially when you're the one seed that means you gotta

776
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: win three games. So it's you'd be like, well, this

777
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: wasn't a great Charger team. They still got Jim Harbond

778
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: and Justin Herbert and Jesse Minter just became the Ravens coach,

779
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: like they got a pretty that's that's a pretty buttoned

780
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: up operation, right, and then Demiko Ryans to beat that

781
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: defense and then today to win a game in these

782
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: conditions on the road. I mean, Rabel.

783
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Speaker 1: When it comes to you, I don't know.

784
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.

785
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, clock management, it's he's the opposite of Mike McCarthy,

786
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: where his clock management is maybe the best ever. His

787
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: use of timeouts are sensational. Vrabel is so good it's

788
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: squeezing all these situational plays in his favor. Let's end

789
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: it with this. Mike McCarthy got hired by the Pittsburgh Steelers,

790
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: and as we talk about the Patriots Seahawks, let's just

791
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: give this five minutes. So McCarthy to me is an

792
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: offensive Mike Tomlin. He feels like Pittsburgh he'll win games.

793
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: He'll be loose when they face a really well coached

794
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: team with a good quarterback, you'll feel like you have

795
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: the second best coach. But he's a good motivator like Tomlin.

796
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: In defense, he does no offense. His teams play with

797
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: great enthusiasm. But to me, Pittsburgh once again is always

798
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: reminding us how important Pittsburgh is and how they really

799
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: love Pittsburgh. They love to hire Pittsburgh guys. They you know,

800
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Speaker 1: they draft Kenny Pickett, they hire Mike McCarthy. It's kind

801
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: of a Pittsburgh thing. They're the inserts. They're very proud.

802
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: I thought they could have done better. I mean, I probably,

803
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Speaker 1: I don't know if Chris Schule is the answer. You

804
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: could hire him tomorrow.

805
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: What did you make of the higher I feel like

806
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: the reaction was shocked, people like they really hired Mike McCarthy.

807
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: I honestly, when John Harbaugh got fired, my jaw hit

808
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: the floor just because I didn't expect him to get fired.

809
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: This was a situation where I went, of course, they

810
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: hired him, the owner whatever.

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Speaker 1: It was.

812
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: Two weeks ago when Tomlin steps down said I'm not

813
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: into throwing a season away. We do not plan on

814
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: tanking losing. We plan on competing every year. That showed

815
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: me when everyone in the Pittsburgh fan base was tired

816
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: of Tomlin, the Roonies were not. They like going nine

817
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: or ten wins. If that is there, you know the floor.

818
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: They want no part of the tanking teams. They don't

819
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: ever want to have a season like the Jets. So

820
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy represents at minimum stability of competing and at

821
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: least giving us a chance to maintain what Tomlin has done.

822
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Speaker 2: And he can say I can coach quarterbacks and call

823
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: the offense because in fairness he's right now. I was

824
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: thinking about this. This is going to be his first situation.

825
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: When he got hired with the Green Bay Packers, Brett

826
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: Farv was on the roster and the year before they

827
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: had drafted Aaron Rodgers. He was the offensive coordinator of

828
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: the Niners who took Alex Smith. Aaron Rodgers talked about

829
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: this like he had to get over it a little bit.

830
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: Then when he went to the Cowboys, they had an

831
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: established Dak Prescott. He's now going to a team where

832
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: they don't have a quarterback, right, so he's got to

833
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: be involved in which you and I watched a lot

834
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: of college football. This ain't a great quarterback draft, and

835
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Speaker 2: I don't know who's really on the open mar you know,

836
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Speaker 2: the Davis Mills and Mac Jones type. There's not a

837
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Speaker 2: lot of There's no Dak Prescott's or Aaron Rodgers walking

838
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: through that door this job. I don't know if you

839
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: watched the Dolphins, guys, they're two really at the press conference,

840
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: it was like, I see why Troy Aikman likes these

841
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: two guys. They're impressive. But Stephen Ross clearly we're gonna

842
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: need a little bit of a reset and be bad

843
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: before we get good because we're in shambles. It's kind

844
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: of the Steelers, a lot of old guys, a lot

845
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: of bad money. Why not once upon a time you

846
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: did this with Mike Tomlin at thirty four. Now the

847
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 2: difference is that team was equipped to if Tomlin was good,

848
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: they were going to be good than they were, But like,

849
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: why not just go a little younger, do a reset?

850
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, the Rooneyes don't believe in that,

851
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: Like they're at like that's a core value of that family,

852
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: which in a weird way I can respect, but I

853
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: think this thing is not You know, when he got

854
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 2: to the Cowboys twenty twenty was a fake football year, right, right, remember,

855
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: But once he kind of settled down, got dan Quinn,

856
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: they were a real team there for four years. Google

857
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: who was on that team? Like they had young in

858
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: his peak, like a twenty three, twenty four Michael Parsons,

859
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: they had Dak Prescott in his prime. They get ceedee

860
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: Lamb like that. This is this is not the Steelers

861
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: And how are they equipped to acquire any of these players? TJ.

862
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: Watt is making a ton of money, he's a lot

863
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: of respect for his career, but it's trending the wrong way.

864
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: The good news for McCarthy, I think he realizes that.

865
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: I think the first thing they have to do to

866
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: me is and they're not going to be able to

867
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: find their quarterback unless they go get TYS. Simpson. But

868
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: let's say they.

869
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: Can't get it and in the weather in that that

870
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 2: that division, I don't know.

871
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: They have to switch the money from the defense to

872
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: the offensive side. So they've had the highest paid defense

873
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: four years in a row. So you just in the

874
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: way to do that is They've got some very good

875
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: young offensive player. Fraser the center, Warren Friar Moose not young,

876
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: but he's a good player. They need another wide receiver obviously,

877
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: but in the quarterback. But my take is they've got

878
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: their offensive lines got some youth in it. The running

879
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: back room's got some youth in it. They're dynamic. I

880
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: think Friar Moose really good in Washington. Broke his arm,

881
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: but you know those are two big bodies, good players.

882
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: So and DK Metcalf still athletically in his prime. It's

883
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: one of those things where they have to do is

884
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: they have to take about six different defensive players and

885
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: just get young defensively. If you look at the Seahawks

886
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: in the Rams, if you really look at the secret

887
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: of it is the Seahawks and the Rams are not

888
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: paying a lot of their defensive players. They're not They're

889
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: paying their quarterbacks. They're paying like maybe a left tackle

890
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: or somebody on the offensive line. They're paying one of

891
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: their weapons. But I mean they're if you really look

892
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: at what the Kansas City Chiefs have done, as they've

893
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: paid Mahomes and Travis Kelcey and a Joe Tooney, they've

894
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: kept that defense really really young. So you know, I've

895
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: talked to GMS about this going forward. The recipe for

896
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: success is you pay for offense. You just keep drafting defense,

897
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: stay young and the Rams, who are they paying on

898
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: a defense? I mean, nobody's getting paid yet. Same with Seattle.

899
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: Murphy will get a lot of money. Leonard Williams probably

900
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: makes it pretty some coin. But I think Pittsburgh's got

901
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 1: it all backwards. Pittsburgh paying everybody on defense, so they've

902
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: just got They've got a draft about six to seven

903
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: different guys. I don't know what their draft picks look like. Whatever,

904
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: Just draft defense. Let about four guys walk trade another

905
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: and just switch where the money's at. And once they

906
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: can do that, then you can go find your quarterback.

907
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: If I want to defend McCarthy like he has a

908
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: brain issue, because I saw people putting his resume next

909
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: to John Harbass looks pretty similar, And google John Harbaugh

910
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 2: the last several years with some of these big leads

911
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: a lot of l's. Yeah, google Mike McCarthy's resume next

912
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: to Tomlin's resume pretty similar. Not a lot of playoff success.

913
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: Recently made the playoffs a bunch people. His branding is bad.

914
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: You know, John Harbull gets fired, ten teams are calling

915
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: his agent. McCarthy's begging for a job. Last year, no

916
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 2: one will hire him. So this is not McCarthy's better

917
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: than the way we speak about him, right, Yeah, because

918
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: he can coached. The other thing he's got going for him,

919
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: Jesse meant a really impressive defensive coordinator, first time head

920
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 2: coach in a in a pressure pack job. That's not

921
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: going to be easy. You know, Zach Taylor is going

922
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: to be coaching for his job. Surely this year that

923
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: coaching staff there.

924
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: Cleveland doesn't have a coach.

925
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: I mean, Colin, did you see the story that Cleveland

926
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: makes you write an essay to try to get the

927
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: this It'd be like you telling me, hey want you

928
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: to do a podcast for us, can you write us

929
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: a three page essay. It's like, Colin, this is a

930
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: verbal medium. You're like, I don't care the coaching is.

931
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: It's a verbal job. You don't. You would never write

932
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: an essay ever, even your the things the team puts out.

933
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: The pr staff does that for you. It's really I

934
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: don't want to go talk about the Browns much, but

935
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: that's I googled. I couldn't figure it out, but I

936
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: would imagine Barry's parents were in academia because I couldn't

937
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: even grasp how someone would go the personality test. I

938
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: understand it's a big job. I don't know, but doing

939
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: homework in essays. So McCarthy and the Steelers have an

940
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: advantage on the Browns, but it's I think it's going

941
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: to be a little more difficult than his Cowboys stint.

942
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 2: But he also he's been the head coach of the Packers,

943
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys, and the Pittsburgh Steelers. It'd be like

944
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: I've been the head coach of the Knicks, the Lakers.

945
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: Like Pat Riley's career, he doesn't get any better than

946
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: that football wise, going.

947
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, and I'll say it about Tomlin

948
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: and I'll say it about Mike McCarthy. They are above

949
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: average NFL head coaches, and John Harball's not far off.

950
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Mike McCarthy will you'll win games

951
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: with Mike, and he's going to switch a defensive culture

952
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: to an offensive culture. So there are some positives. But

953
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: I've always thought Tomlin and big games, his teams were

954
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: a little loose. Aaron helped slow down the penalty problem

955
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. Their offense had been had penalty problems for years.

956
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: On offense, Aaron brings in you know his iq EQ.

957
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: Their penalties went down, their turnovers went down because of

958
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. So it was it was better this year

959
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: as forty two year old Aaron Rodgers took control of

960
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: the offensive ship, and I think.

961
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 2: He entertains coming back now with Mike.

962
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that Aaron's you know, Aaron always

963
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: feels a little bit like a grudge holder, but Aaron

964
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: also cares what people think. And for him to just retire,

965
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: that would feel weird sort of to just retire because

966
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: he played so well at the end of the year,

967
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: and he'd be like wow, as he retiring because of

968
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: McCarthy and the record. I think McCarthy will be better

969
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: for Aaron. I think. I think, I mean by and large,

970
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: Seattle and maybe New England. The Super Bowl teams are

971
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of an exception, but usually the offensive

972
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: coach helps the quarterback, you know, Vrabel hands the offense

973
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: over to Josh McDaniels. But yeah, I could see Aaron

974
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: coming back. And I don't think my knock on McCarthy

975
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: isn't that he's bad. My knock is it feels like

976
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: an offensive Mike Tomlin. I was just looking for a

977
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: more dynamic young guy. But Pittsburgh loves Pittsburgh, and I

978
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 1: respect that. I mean, it's you know, there are certain

979
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: cities in this country, Saint Louis, Pittsburgh where if you

980
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: go to a party and people ask you, oh, where'd

981
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: you go to high school? Like, people don't a lot

982
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: of people. How many people in your life who are

983
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: go getters and have moved to Pittsburgh. It's very much

984
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: about Pittsburgh. People love Pittsburgh. People from Saint Louis love

985
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 1: Saint Louis. Not a lot of people moving to Saint

986
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: Louis or Hartford. So Pittsburgh's very proud of its history.

987
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: A lot of good people they I mean, it's just

988
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: it's just it felt like, yeah, that's kind of what

989
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's gonna do. I was hoping for a bigger swing,

990
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: but I don't think they have it in their their makeup,

991
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: their DNA.

992
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 2: Rudy's just they can't even fathom. When they see the Jets,

993
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: the Titans, the Cardinals and they see that, they can't

994
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: even they refuse. Which you know, we talk a lot

995
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: about tanking and some of these other sports. It's respectable,

996
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: but also in football, you know, the way you guys

997
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: got Roethlisberger once upon a time, didn't you draft like

998
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: eleventh that wasn't one. But you're not gonna land you know,

999
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: most of these starting quarterback You're not gonna find Purtier

1000
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: or Tom Brady. Typically, right, most of these starting quarterbacks

1001
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: that are good in the NFL are drafted. Where's Drake

1002
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: May drafted second? Where sam Donolds drafted third? I mean,

1003
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: typically you gotta it's okay. The Steeler fans that they've

1004
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: had enough good times and respectable seasons, they would understand

1005
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: a five and twelve season to kind of reset the

1006
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: first course. But the owners refuse. And that's why I

1007
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: think they did this instead of hiring Davis. Wait, you

1008
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: know some thirty two year old guy that was like, okay,

1009
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: we'll have some growing pains with you. McCarthy could sell

1010
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: them look at my resume. More than likely we will

1011
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 2: compete for a playoff spot. And that was probably sold

1012
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: the Rooneys.

1013
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: Good stuff, the volume