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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading the Bengals Booth Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Ba leving and duging with the choicees I've made addition

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Speaker 2: as I discussed the Bengals off season objectives and begin

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Speaker 2: by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's the greatest

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Speaker 2: thing since my stepfather, Jack Bailey. Jack passed away recently

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Speaker 2: at the age of ninety. Of the many things I'm

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Speaker 2: grateful for in my life, the fact that he raised

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Speaker 2: me as his own son is near the top of

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Speaker 2: the list. My parents divorced when I was three, and

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Speaker 2: my mother got remarried to Jack when I was eight.

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Speaker 2: My biological dad was still a big part of my life,

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Speaker 2: but for most of my childhood, Jack paid the bills,

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Speaker 2: provided guidance and discipline, and served as a great role model.

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Speaker 2: As I've gotten older, I've often thought about how difficult

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Speaker 2: that had to be. Within a few years of marrying

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Speaker 2: my mom, Jack was supporting a typically moody teenage boy

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Speaker 2: who was undoubtedly a frequent pain in the butt. But

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Speaker 2: put up with me and gave me love, encouragement, and understanding.

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Speaker 2: He was a kind, fun loving man and a great dad.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jack Bailey for changing my life. Now time

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Speaker 2: for football. One of my favorite offseason guests on this

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Speaker 2: podcast is Joe Goodberry. He's been writing and talking about

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Speaker 2: the Bengals for nearly two decades, and if you're not

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Speaker 2: already watching his Bengals on the Brain videos on YouTube,

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Speaker 2: presented by First Star Logistics, you're missing out on some

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Speaker 2: tremendous content. As we all begin to look ahead the

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Speaker 2: free agency and the draft, it's a great time to

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Speaker 2: visit with Joe. Joe is the Bengals off season mission

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Speaker 2: as simple as fix the defense. And if so, how

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Speaker 3: I think it is the mission, it's a I think

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Speaker 3: the unrealistic part is that it's probably been the mission

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Speaker 3: for two years. And you know, you don't get too

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Speaker 3: many chances to swing at a ball right down the middle, right,

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Speaker 3: So like they have to put the bet on it

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Speaker 4: out now.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, they have an opportunity in front of them.

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Speaker 3: They have the seventh most cap space, they have a

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Speaker 3: Now can you add to it? Can you add the

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Speaker 3: need leaders. Duke and Zach both said that in their

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Speaker 2: With that cap space. What position or positions should they

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Speaker 3: I always struggle with the position question at this point

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Speaker 3: so I get it more. I don't tend to prioritize

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Speaker 3: So if you could say, all right, well, there's potentially

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Speaker 3: Let's not put all of our eggs in that basket.

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Speaker 3: Let's give them a third linebacker to rotate with or

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Speaker 4: I think this is a great free agency class.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think they're all going to get paid either,

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Speaker 3: because there's no Jesse Bates in this free agency.

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Speaker 4: But there are so many of them.

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Speaker 3: There's probably eight quality starters up to ten quality starters

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Speaker 3: Not to make them sound like they're cheap, but what

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Speaker 3: they do is they pinpoint their targets, right. They pinpoint

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Speaker 3: the guys that will take a Bengals like contract, and

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Speaker 2: Have you looked at the class closely enough to have

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Speaker 3: I have, so I've been doing a lot of free

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Speaker 3: you know, in free agency you kind of want to

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Speaker 3: If you're going to spend it on a premium position,

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Speaker 3: But I'm a big fan of a lot of safeties

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Speaker 3: the Inddeapolis Colts. This is a guy we scored really

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Speaker 3: He he's still super athletic, but he's a strong safety

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Speaker 3: I think people would be surprised to know that Jordan

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Speaker 3: Arnold Ebiccati, who was a second round pick the year

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Speaker 3: the Falcons. He has been a very good pass rusher

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Speaker 3: PFF last year projected to get seven million dollars. Like

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Speaker 3: that's a Joseph o Side replacement. You kicked Shamar Stewart

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Speaker 3: And he would be your best pass rusher at this

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Speaker 3: point based on what he has shown. But he got

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Speaker 3: He's got good all good strength to a density to him.

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Speaker 3: He can play that. He's kind of a tweener edge linebacker.

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Speaker 3: And the Bengals did that a ton with Demetrius Knight.

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Speaker 3: and we're allowing this big run around the outside. Let's

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Speaker 3: eliminate that from Demetrius Knight's game. He's not that guy.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, Leo Shanal is exactly that you want

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Speaker 3: to get. And he's projected seven million a year. You

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Speaker 3: want to put him at that spot. He's a linebacker

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Speaker 3: would be a perfect fit. And he's a guy that rees, reacts, moves.

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Speaker 3: I did a film review for subscribers on Twitter. His

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Speaker 3: reaction time was the best on the whole Kansas City defense.

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Speaker 3: He is moving towards the play before anybody. And that's

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Speaker 3: a lot of good defenders on that team. And I

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Speaker 3: want that we need a little bit more than that.

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Speaker 3: He's not fooled by the misdirection. He's not fooled by

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Speaker 3: get young linebackers that did get the Bengals young linebackers

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Speaker 4: I think Chanall would help fix that in a big way.

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Speaker 2: Joe, you made a reference to DJ Reader. He's due

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Speaker 3: I thought they did a great job with this run game.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I'm not afraid to say when I

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Speaker 2: We're visiting with Joe Goodbarry. You can follow him on

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Speaker 2: Just look up Bengals on the Brain on YouTube. You'll

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Speaker 2: find some great stuff. Let's talk about the free agent

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Speaker 2: pass rushers. There are several in the twenty five to

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Speaker 1: Is it worth a one year.

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Speaker 2: Deal with some of these older guys, hoping there's a

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Speaker 4: It is if there's a little bit of a risk there.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, sometimes you sign these older guys, you find out

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Speaker 3: I think you can find I'd rather have Arnold Abacadie

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Speaker 3: that makes a ton of sense. You want to bring

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Speaker 4: I think that Tomorrio Davis makes a ton of sense.

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Speaker 2: All right, Joe, this is the eighteenth year that you

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Speaker 2: the brain videos on YouTube. They're awesome. And you have

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Speaker 2: looked at five draft press Bock prospects so far. Edge

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Speaker 1: Why those five?

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Speaker 3: So I wanted to start at the top. Typically I don't,

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: If you're just watching defensive ends and spending the next

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Speaker 4: You should a position scout.

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Speaker 3: Know that position by heart, talk to everyone you can

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Speaker 3: and this has slowly been happening.

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Speaker 4: Our she is very.

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Speaker 3: Data driven. We do have our film grades in there,

438
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Speaker 3: but it's very data driven to help guide you. And

439
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Speaker 3: we say, and what the consensus right now of the

440
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Speaker 3: top fifteen twenty players. Our data also supports that, and

441
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Speaker 3: it's it's been slowly growing to that, which pretty much

442
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Speaker 3: shows you more people are using data, teams are using data.

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Speaker 4: So it's no shock to me that it's gotten to

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Speaker 4: this point.

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Speaker 3: I said, you know what, I might as well start

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Speaker 3: with what I think and what the data says is

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Speaker 3: the top fifteen players in this draft to get an

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Speaker 3: idea of who is worthy of that pick at ten,

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Speaker 3: and also in an effort because this year I really

450
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Speaker 3: wanted to forget position and just look at who are

451
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Speaker 3: the best players? Because I watching this year, I was like,

452
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Speaker 3: why didn't we talk about Crash Swessinger enough at seventeen

453
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Speaker 3: because he plays linebacker? Like, why didn't we do this?

454
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Speaker 3: He grated he was the fifteenth player on our spreadsheet.

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Speaker 3: He may win Defensive Rookie of the Year. Nicki min

456
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Speaker 3: Warry was six on our sheet. We really didn't talk

457
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Speaker 3: about him enough at seventeen we mentioned him, but really

458
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Speaker 3: never got to the fire that should have what it

459
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Speaker 3: should have been, And I don't want to make that

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Speaker 3: same mistake. I want to say, all right, if these

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Speaker 3: guys grade that high, we should hammer it as much.

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Speaker 4: So ken what influence do we have?

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Speaker 3: I bet none, but for our own sanity and for

464
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Speaker 3: our own because for the sickos that love doing this stuff,

465
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Speaker 3: I think it's for us more than anything.

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Speaker 4: For our own sanity.

467
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Speaker 3: We need to make sure if these guys are that good,

468
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Speaker 3: if the data supports it, if it checks every box,

469
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Speaker 3: we should be talking about these guys more and more.

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Speaker 3: So I wanted to start from the top this time.

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Speaker 2: Coming up, Joe gives us an in depth look at

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Speaker 2: David Bailey, Caleb Downs, Rubin Bain, and other prospects that

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Speaker 2: could be there with the tenth pick in this year's draft.

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Speaker 2: But first, here's a quick reminder that the Bengals Booth

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Speaker 2: thumbnail sketch on these five guys, So beginning with Ruben

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Speaker 2: Bay and from the waist down, he looks like a horse.

483
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Speaker 2: I mean his backside and legs are gigantic. I thought

484
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Speaker 2: he was really impressive in the college football playoff games.

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Speaker 2: And looking at your video the other day, you look

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Speaker 2: at him as a great run stopper and pass rusher

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Speaker 2: as opposed to just a guy that can do one thing.

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Speaker 4: No doubt about it. And you're right. He is sturdy built.

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Speaker 3: He looks like he can help you move a couch,

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Speaker 3: no doubt, right, like he can pick that thing up

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Speaker 3: no problem.

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Speaker 4: He is very thick from the lower half down and

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Speaker 4: he uses that.

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Speaker 3: He's a power generator and it comes from his lower half,

495
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Speaker 3: and he plays violently. He gets when he makes contact

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Speaker 3: with guys an offensive lineman, you see their whole pads

497
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Speaker 3: and helmet shutter off the contact. He is very, very strong,

498
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Speaker 3: and his hands are active. He moves all across the

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Speaker 3: defensive line from left to right, the defensive tackle where

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Speaker 3: I think he's gonna make a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of money in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I compared him the Brandon Graham, who was a long time,

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Speaker 3: very good player for the Eagles. I think he went

504
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Speaker 3: Foard teenth or something in the first round out of Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Shorter arms, So that's what they say about Ruben Bain

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Speaker 3: is he's got t Rex arms. Well, you know who

507
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Speaker 3: else has t rex arms? A t Rex does and

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Speaker 3: he is very scary. So when you watch Rubyen Bain,

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Speaker 3: he he is frightening. For these offensive teams, they really

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Speaker 3: try to take him out. And luckily for Miami, they

511
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Speaker 3: had a lot of guys on the defensive line, so

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Speaker 3: when they focus too much on Bain, someone else would

513
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Speaker 3: usually step up a key messador is probably a late

514
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Speaker 3: first or a second round pick on the other end

515
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Speaker 3: spot their defensive tackle went back to school who had

516
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Speaker 3: probably been in the same range. But when you watch Bain,

517
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Speaker 3: his hands are very good right now, and that's a

518
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Speaker 3: good thing, especially for the guy with length issues, because

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Speaker 3: often you can see when you watch tape guys with

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Speaker 3: shorter arms. You say, I can see why his hands

521
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Speaker 3: aren't landing. He just he's trying to keep that separation

522
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Speaker 3: and not get too close to these offensive linemen and

523
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Speaker 3: he just can't reach and just can't get there. That

524
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Speaker 3: shows up once in a while with Bain, but not

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Speaker 3: too often for a guy that's projected thirty one potential

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Speaker 3: arms maybe sub thirty two. But what is really impressive

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Speaker 3: with him, So he's a power player, good against the run.

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Speaker 3: His agility is very very good, and that's again probably

529
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Speaker 3: because his low center of gravity. Those legs are strong.

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Speaker 3: He can get really low, he can turn the corner

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Speaker 3: so when he does win cleanly. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: that was a quick summary of these guys, but man,

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Speaker 3: I really like Ruby Bain. It won't be shocked if

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Speaker 3: he's a top three pick.

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Speaker 2: David Bailey, the pass rusher from Texas Tech who started

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Speaker 2: his career at Stanford, is probably the name that I've

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Speaker 2: seen most often mock drafted to the Bengals. If he's

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Speaker 2: still there, that is at number ten great pass rush

539
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Speaker 2: production this past year. You compared him at least a

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Speaker 2: little bit to Trey Hendrickson. Is a Trey Hendrickson level

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Speaker 2: type guy as a potential Bengals pass rusher.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's built the exact opposite of Rubin Bain.

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Speaker 3: He's a triangle right, so his legs and his lower

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Speaker 3: half is thin. If he's going to add ten pounds

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Speaker 3: in the NFLF.

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Speaker 4: We see him in five years, we're.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, yeah, he's two sixty something now that he's

548
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Speaker 3: probably gonna be lower half. But he's very strong up top,

549
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Speaker 3: very very well built up top, and because of that

550
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Speaker 3: lower frame, he is more athletic. He's the most athletic

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Speaker 3: pass rusher of the top guys. Maybe r Bel Reese

552
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Speaker 3: will have to see what Reese is, you know, in

553
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Speaker 3: the NFL. But Bailey, he gets off, his burst is

554
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Speaker 3: really good, his bend is really good.

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Speaker 4: He turns a.

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Speaker 3: Corner very well, like Trey Hendrickson because he's got a

557
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Speaker 3: ton of moves. He can beat you with a rip,

558
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Speaker 3: arm overs, swim and spin move. He'll use power when

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Speaker 3: his hands do land. That Oregon game is crazy. It's

560
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Speaker 3: his best game of his career. But I would just

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Speaker 3: say put the Oregon game on if you want to

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Speaker 3: be convinced of a top ten pick. When his hands

563
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Speaker 3: land again, he looks very strong controls guys, throws him

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Speaker 3: off at will when he wants to against the run.

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Speaker 3: His run scores from BFF and that throughout his career

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Speaker 3: average until this spent last year was a solid year,

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Speaker 3: nothing great, So may another Trey Hendrickson kind of trait

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Speaker 3: to him there where he's definitely a Tier one type

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Speaker 3: pass rusher and then maybe a c run defender, and

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Speaker 3: you'll take that at twenty three.

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Speaker 4: Only are at ten.

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Speaker 3: The only concern I have is that he is twenty three,

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Speaker 3: right if we're comparing him to some of these other prospects.

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Speaker 4: You're looking at the top of the board right there.

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Speaker 4: I got the sheet next to me.

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Speaker 3: Most of these guys in the first twenty picks are

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Speaker 3: gonna be twenty one years old. So anytime you get

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Speaker 3: a twenty two point seven is what he currently is,

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Speaker 3: would be twenty three's rookie year. That kind of gives

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Speaker 3: you some pause because they're more developed, so he should

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Speaker 3: look better on tape versus a guy like Ruben Bain that's,

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Speaker 3: you know, twenty years old. You're like, oh, yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: what it's supposed to look like at that age. His

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Speaker 3: guy's got a lot meat left on the bone by

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Speaker 3: the time. He's also twenty three. So that's the only

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Speaker 3: pause I have on Bailey. Also, I should note, though

587
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Speaker 3: he plays with an edge, he gets a little crazy.

588
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Speaker 3: He's had some issues in games in the past. I

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Speaker 3: kind of like it, but also, you know it's worth noting.

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Speaker 2: Well, since you mentioned that Jermaine Pratt earned headlines recently

591
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Speaker 2: when he said that the Bengals don't draft dogs on

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Speaker 2: the defensive line, I went back and looked at the

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Speaker 2: defensive lineman that they've drafted since or while Germaine Pratt

594
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Speaker 2: was a Bengal, Renell Wren, Collin Kareem Joseph Osai, cam Sample,

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Speaker 2: Zach Carter, Miles Murphy, Sadric Johnson. Does Jermaine Pratt have

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Speaker 2: a point? Are those guys guys that can't be described

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Speaker 2: as dogs?

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Speaker 4: I think we should describe what a dog is.

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Speaker 3: For me, that would be someone that's very physical, plays

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Speaker 3: with an intensity. I think I think Trey Hendrickson was

601
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Speaker 3: a dog. He got the nickname of Blackout Trey because

602
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Speaker 3: he would, you know, kind of lose his mind and

603
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Speaker 3: do whatever it takes to make a play when it required,

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Speaker 3: which you do want that. I think DJ Reader was

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Speaker 3: a dog, but again didn't draft either of those guys.

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Speaker 4: Joseo Side played.

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Speaker 3: With a lot of intensity and hustle and still did

608
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Speaker 3: he did a Texas he still did for the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: He probably one of their highest motor guys on the team.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, he is more of a smart, nice guy.

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Speaker 3: I would say, you know, can those guys be dog?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 3: The light you know, the flips, it switches when you

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Speaker 3: get on the field, and sometimes those guys turn into dogs.

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Speaker 3: I think he has a point, and I do think

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Speaker 3: if we're one of the things. If you're saying leadership

617
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Speaker 3: on this team, pass rush, past rusting, you know, not

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Speaker 3: really a trait, just more of a need. But if

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Speaker 3: you're looking at traits, leadership, yeah, let's get some dogs

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Speaker 3: on this team would probably be number two.

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Speaker 2: All right, back to the guys that you focused in

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Speaker 2: your draft videos so far focused on I should say

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Speaker 2: Peter Woods, defensive tackle from Clemson, three year starter for

624
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Speaker 2: the Tigers, very good versus the run, good versus the

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Speaker 2: pass early in his career, and then not as good

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Speaker 2: more recently. What did you make of Peter Woods?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's our Benjamin Button this year. And this happens

628
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Speaker 3: once in a while in the draft where you get

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Speaker 3: a guy who was fantastic as a freshman, and that

630
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Speaker 3: in itself is a great sign for future success.

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Speaker 4: We've seen this with.

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Speaker 3: Multiple players where they're really good first second year and

633
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 3: then maybe you know, something catches up, maybe they're dealing

634
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Speaker 3: with the injury. You don't know about whatever happens that

635
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Speaker 3: third year, and you know, most guys don't see the

636
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Speaker 3: fourth year.

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Speaker 4: They don't have the same success. Peter Woods.

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Speaker 3: I think when you go back to his freshman year,

639
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Speaker 3: talking about an eighteen year old, he won. He had

640
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Speaker 3: a pass rush win rate of twenty seven percent. That

641
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Speaker 3: is mind boggling. It is crazy numbers to win at

642
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Speaker 3: the rate, and then it goes on to twenty two

643
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Speaker 3: and then it goes on to seventeen, so.

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Speaker 4: It dropped five percent each year.

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Speaker 3: And you watch the tape, you go, yeah, they're trying

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Speaker 3: to take him out it.

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Speaker 4: They're like, we are not letting this guy wreck us

648
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Speaker 4: at all.

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Speaker 3: And it looked like Clemson started to use more and

650
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Speaker 3: more stunts and twists and not really giving you one

651
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Speaker 3: on one rush.

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Speaker 4: It started only rushing three.

653
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Speaker 3: Guys started to use Woods as a decoy to try

654
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: and get Blitzer from the other side because teams were

655
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: sending so much attention to Woods. So a little bit

656
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: of a leap of faith pick here talking about a

657
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: very young guy that I assume will test very well

658
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: in look athletic, but you got to say, man, he

659
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 3: just the traditional production isn't there, but the advanced production,

660
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: the advanced performance data is what I like to call it,

661
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: is there and says he's worth that shot. He's worth

662
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: that risk because it is very hard to find a

663
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: defensive tackle.

664
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Speaker 4: They've missed.

665
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: I mean, they didn't get a chance to get Viron Murphy.

666
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: They probably would have taken Mens. Anyways, they didn't get

667
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: a chance to last year. Oh, Walter Nolan right went

668
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: one pick ahead of them. I think they would have

669
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: been in on Walter Nolan. That could have been the pick.

670
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: He ended up tearing his achilles. He looked really good

671
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: in the time he did play. But will they see

672
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: that and seize that chance this time? At ten with Woods,

673
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: he probably ranks lowest of the guys here just based

674
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: on tape and what we have seen recently.

675
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 4: But as a prospect, he's still very strong.

676
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: Safety Caleb Downs from Ohio State, another guy who's frequently

677
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: been mocked to the Bengals. Bucky Brooks from NFL dot

678
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: Com did that earlier today. To take a safety in

679
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: the top ten, he has to be elite, to say

680
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: the least, maybe more than elite.

681
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: Whatever the next level would be is Caleb Downs. That guy.

682
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: He probably is in in a weird way because he's

683
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 3: not what we normally see from these safeties that get

684
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: drafted high, typically the Sean Taylors, the Kyla Hamilton's, even

685
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: the Nick Min Warriors who didn't go high but scored

686
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: really high for us.

687
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 4: Those are the freaks in terms of heightweight, speed, right

688
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 4: and Downs. Isn't that.

689
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 3: He's probably six foot I hope, and he might be

690
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: five to eleven. We'll see when he weighs in. Listened

691
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: at about two hundred and two o five depending on

692
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: where you love. So he doesn't have that. I do

693
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: think he's an elite athlete though, And he was a

694
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 3: former pump returner and can be a punt returner if

695
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: you need him to be.

696
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 4: Uh and you see when he is moving.

697
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: He's very fluid on the field. On the field, very smart,

698
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: great communicator. Under he looks different. I don't Ohio State

699
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: defense that is littered with potential first round picks. Right Downs,

700
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: You go, who's that? Oh it's Downs?

701
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: Of course it's too he's making the play here, so

702
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 4: he has all this.

703
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: I think he's been pegged as a strong safety type,

704
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: and I don't think that's I think you're limiting him

705
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: if you're taking him at ten. To me, if you're

706
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: taking him at ten, it's because he can play the

707
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: slot and the times he did and it was like

708
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: a twenty percent clip when he did. Based on PFF

709
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: and our database, he's in the ninety ninth percent out

710
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: for man coverage grade like and that's what even Warry

711
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: was too. That's why I was like, hey, that two

712
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: hundred thirty pounds. Even Warri can play the slot. He's

713
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: done it and he's been really good at it. I

714
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: think Downs can do that for you as well. So

715
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: even if you signed a safety and had battle and

716
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 3: had Downs, you could figure that out and then you

717
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: have Dax Hill and j Turner.

718
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 4: Sounds like a really good secondary to me.

719
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: But I think Downs is one of those young high

720
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: recruit always been good eighteen year old production. Like we

721
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: said at Alabama though, that is a good sign for

722
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: your future.

723
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 4: I don't have any reservations about picking him.

724
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: My only thing is, yeah, it's a safety, and typically safety,

725
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: the value to pick those spots is in rounds two

726
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 3: and three because immediately they become one of the higher

727
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: paid players, and especially that fifth year option becomes very expensive.

728
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: All right, Your most recent draft video was about Jermad McCoy,

729
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: cornerback from Tennessee who missed last year with a torn

730
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: acl The NFL networks Daniel Jeremiah had him as the

731
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: Bengals first round pick, number ten overall, and you said

732
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: on X I'm fine with it. Explain why because a

733
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: lot of Bengals fans were not fine with it.

734
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: So I'm glad we saved this one to the end

735
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: because when I started here the first question, I'm like,

736
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: I kind of don't want to look at positions right away.

737
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: I want to be open to good players. I want

738
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: to be more open. I want to I want to

739
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: have clear eye.

740
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 4: I want the Bengals to do this.

741
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: I want them to fill every hole in free agency

742
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: and then show up to the draft and say, who

743
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: is the best player at pick ten, Who's the best prospect,

744
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: Who's going to be the best player in twenty twenty seven,

745
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 3: twenty eight to twenty nine. You can't predict their needs

746
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 3: at that point, right I know corner is not their

747
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: top need, but is an elite talent their top need

748
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: on defense? Yet is getting a Pro Bowl player on defense.

749
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: Top need, Yes, is getting somebody that can be a shutdown.

750
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 4: Game changer type player.

751
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: Yes, that is a need on this team, and it

752
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: may be in just a year or two. Both DJ

753
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: Turner and Dax Hill are in the final years of

754
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: their deals.

755
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 4: Let's hope they extend both.

756
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: And insign in a conversation, but the Bengals for seven

757
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: years in a row now have needed that fourth year

758
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: or that fourth cornerback to play starter snaps, five hundred

759
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,239
Speaker 3: snaps or more. They go down, they get hurt. So

760
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: drafting a guy like this and maybe Dax goes back

761
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: into the slot and we move them again, and now

762
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: it's it's McCoy and it's Hill or turn around the

763
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: outside and Hill on the slot, and your secondary is

764
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: an elite secondary.

765
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with that. So let me

766
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 4: tell you what McCoy can do.

767
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: I put on the tape against Alabama, so we know

768
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: we got Ryan Williams, a guy who's ultimately a top

769
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: five to ten pick. You can also put on the

770
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: Hio State game and then he that's probably his worst game.

771
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: So you know, depending on Ohio State, fans may say

772
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: liter like McCoy got roasted by a guy who's probably

773
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: a top three pick and when he comes out, but McCoy,

774
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: when you're watching that film, he was nineteen years old

775
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: and he is moving at a pace that nobody else

776
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: moving at. Ryan Williams is the fastest. It's no, he's

777
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: not breaking a sweat to stay over top of him.

778
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: He turns, locates the ball. He's riding these guys out

779
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: out of bounds easily. He looks strong, he looks physical,

780
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: he looks smart. He understands how he's being attacked by

781
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: combo routes and routes coming up behind him. He has

782
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 3: a one handed interception in the end zone on a

783
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: fade ball in that game against Alabama, and you go, okay,

784
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: so the tape.

785
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 4: Is really really good. But he's dealing with an injury.

786
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: He tore his acl while training in the off season

787
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: of January of twenty twenty five. So by the time

788
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: you see him, if he they said he could have

789
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: came back at then the Tennessee season this year, but

790
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: they said it's not worth it.

791
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: We're out of it. And then I expect he's going

792
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: to be able.

793
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: To work out then because we're over a year recovery

794
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 3: on a nine month injury that in modern medicine terms, right,

795
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: it used to be man, you never know, but now

796
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: we expect these guys to get back and look at

797
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: it in a year. We expect him to be their

798
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: full self in about a year and a half. We're

799
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: just right when the season would start. So if you

800
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: watch him and you look at him at nineteen and say, wow,

801
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: that is a dominant player at a position that is

802
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: hard to find, that typically gets taken in the top twelve,

803
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: and if you can get them, do it if you can.

804
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: I'm looking at my rankings right now. We're very early

805
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 3: in our system of the spreadsheets. We just have broad data,

806
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: and I do have film grade in for him. Now

807
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: he's eighth on our sheet right now. He's going to

808
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: score very high as long as he tests well. In

809
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: that case, there are many scenarios where he is the

810
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: top player available at pick ten, And I don't think

811
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: we should close our eyes and shut the door on

812
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: it right away just because we don't need a corner.

813
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: A lot of this is going to change. Ask me

814
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 3: again what our needs are in April after free agency.

815
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 3: Ask me again what they are week one after you

816
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: survived training camp, ask me again what they are week ten,

817
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 3: and then hopefully in the playoffs in January.

818
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 4: I bet it's going to change each time, all.

819
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: Right, Joe.

820
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 2: In addition to your A draft analysis, you've been doing

821
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: some tape reviews of several key Bengals players from last year,

822
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: including Miles Murphy, the rookie linebackers, Marius Mims, and some others.

823
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: Let's start with Miles Murphy. He is eligible for the

824
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: fifth year option this year. The number would be thirteen

825
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: point six milor or something close to that. What do

826
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: you think about that? And also how Miles Murphy played

827
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: this year.

828
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: I thought Murphy definitely took a step, and the biggest

829
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: step for me was in is intensity.

830
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: I thought that ramped up.

831
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: It was always a question I like, I guess like

832
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: Jermain Pratt. When I watched my Clemson I thought, you know,

833
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 3: just he's a one pace kind of player. Didn't really

834
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: ever turn it up in situations where he needed it,

835
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: and then the first couple of years, I don't know

836
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: if he's ever going to get that. The big issues

837
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: for me was his intensity and then his hand usage,

838
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: and the hand usage got slightly better. I think that's

839
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: his last step to really grow and become a ten

840
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 3: plus sack guy. But to me, is intensity ramped up.

841
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 3: Is he started hustling and chasing guys down. Think of

842
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: the where he runs behind and catches Derek Henry forty

843
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: yards down the field. That was starting to happen more routinely.

844
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: And then the other thing that's huge for any player

845
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: once they start getting snaps and consistent snaps. So we

846
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 3: can never really judge this on Miles Murphy the first

847
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: couple of years because we didn't have consistent snaps. But

848
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: in year three he got them, and it was his

849
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 3: awareness of where the ball is going, how to take

850
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: on blocks, stack him, shot him, find the ball, you know,

851
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: disengage and shed that guy and go make a play.

852
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: In the first couple of years, it leads you, if

853
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: you're watching, you go, I just don't know if he's

854
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 3: ever going to be a good player. But then consistent

855
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: snaps happen, that starts to happen more frequently, and you're like,

856
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: he does know what's happening. He does have the mentality

857
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: to do this, especially from an intelligence level and intensity

858
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 3: of strength length. We're talking about a guy who has

859
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: one of the best getoffs in the league. I think

860
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: he can play and help. And does that mean he's

861
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: a number one pass rusher? I don't know that yet.

862
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: I don't think he's answered that question. Does it mean

863
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: he can be one of your top three guys in

864
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 3: a good team and a good pass rush that starts

865
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: and rotates and plays a bunch of different positions. I

866
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: do think he can be that, and the Bengals need answers.

867
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 3: I think he's an answer right now until further notice.

868
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: Is Amarus Mims, DJ Turner or any other young player

869
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: on his way to being one of the best at

870
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: his position.

871
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mems is Mems.

872
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: He took a step that I was hoping for, and

873
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: in the early part of the season I wasn't sure

874
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: what much Like the offensive line we talked about the

875
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 3: first month was kind of a grind. I think it

876
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 3: took a minute for them to really embrace and fully

877
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: execute what Scott Peters was looking for. And then I

878
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: think maybe Don't Riser may have helped that as well,

879
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 3: put plugging him in next to Mims, because when they

880
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: were together, they seem to really have a good connection

881
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 3: and to pick up stunts and everything. But Mems himself,

882
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: he's funny because he's a one pace guy.

883
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 4: Right.

884
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 3: I always wondered if he had the intensity. But his

885
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: pace is he's moving like it is no problem. Like

886
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 3: these guys, they're a buzzing of flies to him, right,

887
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: They're just it is nothing. You want to run through him,

888
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: you want to run around him. Nothing works when he's consistent.

889
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: When he's on, and he became really consistent in the

890
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: second half. He's just a bunch of guys in there folding.

891
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: They're sending a blitz his way.

892
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: One hand.

893
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: These guys are there, they're sliding to the ground. He

894
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: looks like it's easy to him, and that's what we

895
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 3: always wanted. Like when we were watching him at Georgia,

896
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: only questions really were like, he doesn't have a lot

897
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: of snaps. You think he looks good. He looks really

898
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 3: good in his limited snaps. So what happens if you

899
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: got a lot of tape on him? What happens if

900
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: he has to play for nine hundred and fifty snaps

901
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: in a season? How is that going to look? Our

902
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: defense is going to figure it out? And no, they

903
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: don't figure it out. If anything, he got better, he

904
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: looks like, man, if you could predicted this type of

905
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 3: curve for him, he would have never been there for

906
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: the Bengals that pick eighteen, he would have went in

907
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: this class, he probably is the first offensive tackle taken.

908
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: He probably goes top ten. The Chiefs at nine would

909
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: love to have an Amariusmin's. I'll tell you that I

910
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: think he's on pay be. He's already probably a top

911
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: ten right tackle, if not top five. I'd have to

912
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: rank him and sit down and think about it. But

913
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 3: he's on pace to being one of the best at

914
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: that position.

915
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 4: No doubt.

916
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: How about DJ Turner and Dax Hill as a combo.

917
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: I really liked him as a combo. I was high

918
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: on both right like so for us. Dax Hill was

919
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 3: I think the number nine player in that draft class.

920
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: DJ Turner was one of the best man cover guys

921
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: coming out of his class. We're talking about speed, athleticism,

922
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 3: good guys, intelligent, right like.

923
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 4: I like that pairing. I still think.

924
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: Dax has some upside as a slot guy because I

925
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: look around the league and all these final teams are

926
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: really executing that position to their advantage. But when the

927
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: Bengals kicked him out to the boundary last year and

928
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: then for the second half of this year, he has

929
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 3: played at a level I didn't know he could play

930
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: on the boundary and that is worth keeping him there

931
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: and just letting that go and saying, you know what,

932
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 3: normally you don't like these high cut, leggy guys at

933
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 3: that spot. But it does not seem to affect Dax.

934
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 3: He seems to.

935
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 4: Move really well nowhere guys routes are going.

936
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 3: It must be the intelligence film aspect of it, where

937
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: he's moving at at the same speed the receivers are

938
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: and is able to mirror them and get in front

939
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: of them before the ball egman gets there. I really

940
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: impressed with Dex moving from all these positions and then

941
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: finding out you're boundary corner. That's the hardest of them all, like,

942
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 3: so for him to do that, very impressed with that.

943
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: DJ Turner, on the other hand, I thought he ended

944
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: last year when he broke his I think it was

945
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: the classical right in twenty twenty four, the Chargers game.

946
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 4: That Chargers game was great, that tape was amazing.

947
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, the last few weeks here Turner has been great,

948
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: and then I couldn't understand how we were in the

949
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: summer and he wasn't getting starter snaps and that he

950
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: was Yeah, he's getting beat sometimes by Jamar Chase and

951
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 3: T Higgins. That happens, like I'm not. I never took

952
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: that as a negative, especially when he on the reviews

953
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 3: and all the film and all the stuff you do,

954
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 3: the post you do in the camp really helped me

955
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: with seeing these players and see how they progress. But

956
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: watching Turner, even though he gets beat down this play,

957
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: the fluidity, the speed, how quickly his feet plant and

958
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: he cuts and turns, how he's got a hand on

959
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 3: these guys, sees the ball, he's tracking it, he's going

960
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: up for it. He's not the longest guy. So if

961
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: he catches the ball over him, fine, most guys are

962
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: gonna struggle. Most guys are not T Higgins out there

963
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 3: we've seen and aren't gonna catch that ball over DJ Turner.

964
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 3: That's the thing I had a question on. Can he

965
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: be physical enough that rookie year, he was a butterfly,

966
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: He was right around you, but not really physical. Guys

967
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: would catch the ball with him on you know. DJ

968
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 3: Turner was a backpack along for the ride there. But

969
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 3: he's become more physical, He's gotten stronger, He's finding a

970
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: way to knock those balls out at the catch point

971
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: or afterwards, and when guys are pulling it in DJ Turner,

972
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: punching it out after or ripping it out of DK

973
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: metcalf talking about physicality, you play DJ Turner there. So

974
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: we're talking about a guy who's super athletic, great and

975
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: man coverage and has found the ability to find the

976
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: ball and make plays on the ball. To me, I

977
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: want that and I would like to lock these guys

978
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 3: up three year deals for both. Is this the Jonathan

979
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 3: Joseph and Leon Hall situation where you get one contract

980
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 3: basically who wants to take it?

981
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 4: Give them both the contract fifteen million a year or so.

982
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: I think you have keep a strength the strength of

983
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 3: your team.

984
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: Dax is under contract as part of his fifth year

985
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: option this year. DJ's going into the final year of

986
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: his rookie deal, so is Chase Brown. So for the

987
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: first time DJ and Chase Brown can be extended, Miles

988
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: Murphy can be extended. Would you be surprised if the

989
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: Bengals get deals done with some of these guys? Obviously

990
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: Bengals fans would like to see some of these guys

991
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: signed early in the process, if possible.

992
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 4: They're earlier. You do it.

993
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: The more money you save, right, you not only get

994
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: ahead of the other positions, and players are going to

995
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 3: be signed in free agency and extensions from the same

996
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: draft class that everyone just you know you want to

997
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 3: beat them. If you're the last contract, you tend to

998
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: get more than the guy previous to you, So get

999
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 3: them done early. We saw this happen with t and Jamar.

1000
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: They probably could have saved five to eight million dollars

1001
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 3: on their cap each year if they had got ahead

1002
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: of it. That's big. That's a starter. It's a starting

1003
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 3: defensive end. And I don't think that it's anything to

1004
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: just brush off because the way the Bengals do business,

1005
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 3: I think they should remain aggressive now. I think there

1006
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 3: is a point also, where do you pay the running back?

1007
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: Do you pay Chase Brown? I like Chase Brown. He's

1008
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 3: become every We had a second round score on Chase

1009
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: Brown in our spreadsheets.

1010
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: Fifth round.

1011
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 3: I was like, Yes, this is gonna be the dude

1012
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 3: I'm I was in and he has been everything that

1013
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 3: especially a great fit for this offense.

1014
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 4: But do you pay running back? Do you is that required?

1015
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 3: There's so many in free agency every year we're gonna

1016
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: see Kenneth Walker and Breist Hall and free agency and

1017
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 3: how much are they going to get and is it

1018
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: worth it to even get close to that? They're Tyler

1019
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 3: Aljier is a good running back who got supplanted by

1020
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 3: b John Robinson. He's a free agent. Rico Dowdle's a

1021
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: free agent. Again, do you have to pay Chase Brown?

1022
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 3: I don't know that you do, But if you get

1023
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: ahead of it, you can use that last year.

1024
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 4: Of their deal.

1025
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: This works for DJ Turner, this works for Miles Murphy

1026
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: and Chase Brown. If you get ahead of it and

1027
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 3: say we're gonna do it like the Bills do, like

1028
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 3: the Eagles do. These these are teams that are aggressive

1029
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: with extensions. Sometimes it fights them, but really you're in

1030
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: a super Bowl window.

1031
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: You're trying to win it. Now, you take that last year.

1032
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: So if DJ turns making four million dollars and you

1033
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 3: give them a fifteen million dollar contract today it's three

1034
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: years forty five, you're going to give them that's fifteen

1035
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: million dollars a year on the extension. But I think

1036
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 3: the Bengals should look at it this way, and this

1037
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: is how I look at it. It'll really be a

1038
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 3: four year forty nine million dollar deal, So really you're

1039
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: only in twelve point what three million dollars per year Like,

1040
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 3: that's that's less. That's that's manageable. I can now save

1041
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 3: a little bit of money on the cap in future

1042
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: years because I got ahead of it and I used

1043
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: that last year of.

1044
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,479
Speaker 4: Their deal to lower the total of the deal.

1045
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 3: So if you're going to do it, do it early.

1046
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 3: And if you're not going to do it early, I'm

1047
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: less interested.

1048
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: All right, last thing for you, Joe, kind of a

1049
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: big picture question. All three teams, all three other teams

1050
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: in the AFC North will have new coaches. Buffalo is

1051
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: going to have a new head coach, plus new coordinators,

1052
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: plus a new offensive line coach. They had a really

1053
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: good one who retired. Patrick Mahomes is coming back from

1054
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: a torn ACL. So a lot of the teams that

1055
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: you would expect to contend in the AFC have some

1056
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: legitimate issues going into next season. Furthermore, the Bengals have

1057
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 2: a third play scheduled. They've only got four games against

1058
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: teams that had winning records this year. Having said all

1059
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: of that, do things line up for the Bengals to

1060
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: have a bounce back?

1061
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: Here?

1062
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 4: Dan for the fourth straight year.

1063
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 3: I think of us talking, I'm going to say this

1064
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 3: is the most important offseason in Bengals history again, and

1065
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: it feels that.

1066
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 4: Way, and I can't believe we're I'm gonna fall forward again.

1067
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 3: They're gonna pull the football out as I go and

1068
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: kick it, and I'm gonna get excited and get ready.

1069
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,479
Speaker 4: But yes, if they want to do this is.

1070
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: All in front of them. There is no They have

1071
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: all the cap space. They have cash space, too, don't

1072
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 3: we know everyone talks about cap we have to talk

1073
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: about cash.

1074
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 4: So much as Bengals fans and analysts. They have cash space.

1075
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 3: They're all the cap numbers and these contract they they've

1076
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: given out recently Joe Burrow to our Chasey Higgins, and

1077
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: the cash that they're paying them in year two for

1078
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: the receivers and for Burrow this year goes down, they

1079
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: are actually getting some relief there. The cap numbers are

1080
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: with there. That's why they could restructure these guys if

1081
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 3: they want to and creating more cap space. But that

1082
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 3: means cash they can spend, and I expect them to spend,

1083
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: and they typically spend a certain amount of cash every

1084
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: single year.

1085
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 4: It's pretty predictable. It's just math.

1086
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Speaker 3: If you're a pessimist and say they're not going to

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Speaker 3: do anything in free agency, it's just math this time.

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00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 3: This time, they have to go pay some guys. Unless

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00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: it's extensions for DJ Dax, Miles Murphy and Chase Brown,

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Speaker 3: then we go, okay, well, there's all the cash, that's

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Speaker 3: where it went. But I don't expect that to happen

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Speaker 3: that way. I do expect them to go and get

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00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 3: some veterans in here. I think the pressure has mounted.

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00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: Everyone can feel it. I don't know if it's to

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00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: the extreme levels that the national media likes to make it,

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00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: you know, with Joe Burrow and things like that. But

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00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 3: I think everyone's realizing, like hey, and even the coaches

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00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: on this team that you know, I have another year now.

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00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 3: We need to make something happen. It's all in front

1100
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 3: of us. Go outside the right guys, keep everyone healthy.

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00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: That's huge again, and if you do it, if you

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Speaker 3: make the right choices. In their history, we don't have

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Speaker 3: a lot of faith as Bengals fans that they'll do

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Speaker 3: the right things in free agency, that they'll do the

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00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: right things with caps and contracts, and that they'll draft

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Speaker 3: right but let me tell you this, They've had great

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Speaker 3: drafts in their history. They have in recent history. They've

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00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: had great free agent off seasons. They've made some great

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Speaker 3: value contract signings, all with the same people in the

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Speaker 3: front office that make those decisions. They have the pieces

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Speaker 3: in the formula, they know how to do it, They

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Speaker 3: could do it, and if they do do it, I

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Speaker 3: think they'll be in great shape for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: What do we have to look forward to and Bengals

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Speaker 2: on the brain more draft prospects.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna try and get to a list of ten

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Speaker 3: to twelve guys that we really would love to have.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's not the position, Maybe it's stremonn McQuay right,

1119
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: maybe we'll slot him a little lower because he isn't

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Speaker 3: a dire need.

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Speaker 4: But let's get to twelve guys that we absolutely would.

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Speaker 3: Love to have at that spot, and then let's be

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Speaker 3: aware as the process goes, who could enter that conversation

1124
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: as the combine happens in pro days and all these

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Speaker 3: same Senior Bowls happening this week as well, so guys

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00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 3: may get close to it, and then we'll go into

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00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: free agency because that'll be you know, shortly after we

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Speaker 3: get to that point and start to look at more

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Speaker 3: free agents and what they can do. Players that maybe

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00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: you remember from college and really haven't kept up on them.

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Speaker 4: So let's watch the tape.

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Speaker 3: Let's see what they're doing, Let's see what they look like,

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Speaker 3: let's see how they could help the Bengals, what their

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Speaker 3: contract projections.

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Speaker 4: Look like, and we'll go from there. We'll try and

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Speaker 4: build the team as weekend as fans.

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Speaker 2: Bengals on the Brain is free on YouTube, but you

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Speaker 2: also have some subscription level content for people that are interested.

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Speaker 2: What is that and how can they get it?

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Speaker 3: So that has really really expanded, it's grown. It comes

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00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 3: with a discord link where there's.

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Speaker 4: A thousand Bengals fans in there.

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00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 3: You don't have to worry about Chiefs fans or Ravens

1144
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 3: fans jumping in your mentions and ruining your day.

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00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 4: It's all just.

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00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: Bengals fans in there, which is a good time and

1147
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 3: everyone's sharing information. Haven't but the subscription part of the Twitter,

1148
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: I've been doing probably making too much content.

1149
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 4: My family's probably worried about me. They're wondering where I'm at.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing probably four or five videos a day while

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00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: on free agent profiles on draft prospects of just going

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00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 3: through Like when PFF had their top two hundred and

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00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 3: fifty list, I said, Okay, let's do a video. Let's

1154
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 3: go through them, Let's see who makes sense where they're ranked.

1155
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: Let's create a line of where we think upgrades would be.

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Speaker 3: Gino Stone was at.

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Speaker 4: Like ninety something and I'm like, well, there's the line.

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Speaker 3: Let's get at anything better than what pffics Genostone is at.

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Speaker 4: Safety.

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Speaker 3: So we have fun with it, but also try to

1161
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: give you film data, information and just keep the content

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Speaker 3: rolling for you.

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Speaker 2: Nobody is creating better Bengals content than you are. The

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Speaker 2: expression must watch, I think is often overused, but in

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Speaker 2: your case it is not. I try to watch everything

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Speaker 2: you crank out there, and I really appreciate the time

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Speaker 2: you give me today.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Joe, Thank you Dan.

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