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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: A little girl just eleven years old, just turned eleven,

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Speaker 2: kidnapped by a grown man she meets online playing roadblocks.

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Speaker 1: My son plays roadblocks all over the world. Tweens and

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Speaker 1: teens play roadblocks. How in the hay did he get

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Speaker 1: his mitts on an eleven year old girl? A grown man?

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Speaker 1: Number one? What is he doing playing roadblocks? Shouldn't he

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Speaker 1: have a job? But number two? Is he chatting this

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Speaker 1: little girl up online and luring her? Well, it worked

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Speaker 1: because he kidnapped her. I mean, see, Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here on

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories and on series XM one eleven. First of all,

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Speaker 1: how did it go down? Listen?

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Speaker 3: It was an odd and early start to the school day.

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Speaker 3: An eleven year old girl's brother thinks his sister is

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Speaker 3: leaving for school early. It's around five thirty in the morning.

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Speaker 3: But then the boy realized it was Sunday. He calls

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Speaker 3: his mother, who is working overnights. Mom comes home, calls

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Speaker 3: the Wayne Police Department.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, very interesting, So this is a Sunday. He thinks

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Speaker 1: it's a school day and at five thirty am, the

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Speaker 1: little sister is already gone and this boy. The brother

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Speaker 1: of course calls mommy little did they know that Sunday

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Speaker 1: morning at five thirty am what was about to unfold?

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Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now. But Alexis Estchuk first to

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Speaker 1: you Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Alexis tell me

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Speaker 1: about where the little girl lives. I know it's in

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Speaker 1: New Jersey, that the little girl was kidnapped all the

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Speaker 1: way to bear Delaware. And where was mommy?

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Speaker 4: She works overnights, she does she works a night shift,

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Speaker 4: and she was it was good morning, early in the morning,

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Speaker 4: five thirty morning, so she was not home yet from

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Speaker 4: her job. And this little girl, she lives in Wayne,

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Speaker 4: New Jersey. It's about thirty minutes north of New York City,

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Speaker 4: and it is it's actually Wayne is a nice area

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Speaker 4: of New Jersey. So they were living in a hotel.

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Speaker 4: This is temporary housing for the family. They were living

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Speaker 4: kind of in a long term hotel area. The little

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Speaker 4: girl was home with her brother while mommy was at work.

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Speaker 4: So he noticed she got up, she went to she

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Speaker 4: gets up beside thirty in the morning. She gets up

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Speaker 4: to walk outside, and he thinks, wow, she's just going

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Speaker 4: to school, and all of a sudden he realized this,

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Speaker 4: wait a minute, I'm not up that I'm not going

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Speaker 4: to school. It's Sunday. Why is she going to school?

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Speaker 4: So he called his mom immediately to report this.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to take in what you're saying. They

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Speaker 1: were staying kind of like an apartment suite with a

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Speaker 1: homes in Wayne, New Jersey. Now is it Wayne, New Jersey?

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Speaker 1: Or is it Wayne Township?

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Speaker 4: They call them townships in New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Wayne Township is a suburb. The population is only

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Speaker 1: around fifty thousand people and has been voted quote one

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Speaker 1: of the best places to live in New Jersey, where

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Speaker 1: residents feel very safe and are able to afford to

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Speaker 1: own their own home. Interesting that it's still a very

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Speaker 1: residential area where you don't expect a little eleven year

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Speaker 1: old girl to get kidnapped.

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Speaker 4: Ancy, Can I tell you what's more about the town

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Speaker 4: because of this county, yes, please, is also where a

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Speaker 4: lot of the Real Housewives of New Jersey live.

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Speaker 1: Count On Alexis Terreschuk in the middle of a crime

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Speaker 1: store to tell me about the Real Housewives Okay. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure which housewife is on which program, but I

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Speaker 1: do know they almost all have these huge, humongous houses,

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Speaker 1: like mega mansions. And every time I saw one on

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Speaker 1: the Housewives. I was watching the Office, she was watching

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Speaker 1: the Housewives. And even when they're just walking around their house,

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Speaker 1: they have on full hair, I mean big hair, the makeup,

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Speaker 1: the jewels, in really expensive clothes, and they visit each

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to what are you trying to tell me?

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Speaker 1: This is a really upscale neighborhood. If the Housewives in

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Speaker 1: New Jersey live there, it is, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: They do. They live in these ten thousand corewood houses.

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Speaker 1: They're humongous.

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Speaker 4: But I was just giving you some contact in the area.

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Speaker 4: And this family that is living in a small long

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm trying to figure out now, even though

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Speaker 1: it's suburban, the tree lined streets, the whole thing, the Housewives,

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Speaker 1: the mansions, is still about twenty miles from New York,

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Speaker 1: right from New York City. Correct, Okay, but yet they

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Speaker 1: find really interesting, and I'm going to go to a

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Speaker 1: special guest joining us. Ali McNeil. Ali is co founder

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Speaker 1: and executive director with revd Up Kids. And I met

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Speaker 1: Ali when I was trying to teach a course on

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Speaker 1: how to protect yourself your child once a child is

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Speaker 1: already snatched, and how to avoid being snatched. That's how

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Speaker 1: I know Ali, because Revved Up Kids is all about

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Speaker 1: saving yourself from kidnap. Allie. What people don't realize is

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Speaker 1: that predators are looking in residential areas. I told you, Alie,

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Speaker 1: I think I told you. My daughter asked me one

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Speaker 1: to take a walk alone? Well the first time she

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Speaker 1: time she said, I'm like, sure, go for a walk. Well,

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Speaker 1: my husband and I had already laid out a plan

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Speaker 1: or I did, and he begrudgingly went along, thinking it

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Speaker 1: was unnecessary. I followed her surreptitiously. Halfway through the walk,

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Speaker 1: so many cases of children getting snatched in residential areas.

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Speaker 1: What else can you do? I don't buy the free

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Speaker 1: Just because you're in a tree lined area with big

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Speaker 1: roads and mega mansions in the background with a housewives

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Speaker 1: and they are drinking it up, that doesn't mean your child.

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Speaker 5: Is safe, absolutely, Nancy. And here's the thing that we

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Speaker 5: have to be aware of. Kids do occasionally get snatched

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Speaker 5: off the street, but way more often these are people

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Speaker 5: now who are building relationships with these children in their

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Speaker 5: online worlds and creating a friendship or what feels like

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Speaker 5: a loving dating sort of dynamic with this child, and

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Speaker 5: then they convince the child to run away with them.

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Speaker 5: So no longer is you know, the predator just iving

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Speaker 5: up and snatching the kid off the sidewalk. They are

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Speaker 5: grooming and methodically building this relationship with these children in

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Speaker 5: their online world and a lot of it is happening

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Speaker 5: in the gaming environment, and a lot of it is

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Speaker 5: happening in the social media environment. So parents just need

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Speaker 5: to know it doesn't matter if you're sitting in a

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Speaker 1: Does anybody remember? It pains me to say it in

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Speaker 1: this way. Does anybody remember a thirteen year old old

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Speaker 1: girl just turned thirteen? She's like twelve in a day,

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Speaker 1: Nicole Lovell. No, I only knew Nicole and death, but

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Speaker 1: I got to speak to her mother many times. Nicole

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Speaker 1: Lovell met a Virginia Tech student, a star athlete. I

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Speaker 1: His name was David Eisenhower, not Eisenhower, eisen Hour. And

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Speaker 1: he lured the little girl online. Because when you just

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Speaker 1: said alie' neil is joining me from Rep Duck Kids,

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Speaker 1: When you just said that the little girl thinks she's

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Speaker 1: in a romantic dating relationship, I think, how can an

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Speaker 1: How did they even know about a romantic dating relationship?

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Speaker 1: But Nicole Lovell, who had just turned thirteen, was lured

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Speaker 1: online by a Virginia Tech engineering student and they were

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Speaker 1: having full on sex, and he killed her so that

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Speaker 1: which is of course statutory rape. So the answer to that,

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Speaker 1: his answer was to kill her. Yes, in our world,

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Speaker 1: it's not a romantic dating relationship. But for a little girl.

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Speaker 1: Let me go to doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologists literally

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Speaker 1: author of the book Criminal Behavior and We're a law

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Speaker 1: in psychology intersect Doctor Sherry. I hear my son and

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Speaker 1: daughter talk about people dating in their class. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you can't even drive, What do you mean you're dating?

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Speaker 1: Where do you go? They go, Oh, we just text.

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Speaker 1: That's what that is. So the children actually think they're

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Speaker 1: in a dating relationship, a romantic relationship because they're texting

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Speaker 1: or talking online or talking in roadblocks.

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Speaker 6: That's correct. And imagine the amount of hours of contact

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Speaker 6: when you have your own phone and the person you're

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Speaker 6: immediate and long hours of contact back and forth and

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Speaker 6: back and forth, and when communicating and writing, you might

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Speaker 6: share things that you would be maybe embarrassed to say

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Speaker 6: On a deeper level, this is very powerful, very powerful emotionally.

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to hear that sound again. Plays

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Speaker 1: Jackie from our friend Dave Mac.

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Speaker 3: It was an odd and early start to the school day.

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Speaker 3: An eleven year old girl's brother thinks his sister is

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Speaker 1: So Mommy comes home from work, and you know that's

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Speaker 1: But Mommy comes straight home and calls nine to one

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Speaker 1: one the Wayne County Police Department. Interesting that this happens

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace joining me right now. In addition to Ali Neil,

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Speaker 1: executive director of Reved Up Kids and doctor Sherry Schwartz,

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Speaker 1: and of course Alexisterestchuk, Crime online dot Com is to

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Speaker 1: Tanya Jordan, chief parent officer with Bark Parental Controls and

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Speaker 1: author of Parenting and a tech world. You can find

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Speaker 1: her at bark dot us. To Tanya, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us. Could you just give me a rudimentary explanation

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Speaker 1: of what is Roadblocks? And it's not just where you

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Speaker 1: go on and you play a video game like MS

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Speaker 1: Pacman or something. You have conversation, you engage with the

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Speaker 1: people you're playing with or against.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Roadblocks is the most popular gaming platform with children

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Speaker 7: ages five to twelve. And to give you a grasp

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Speaker 7: of the extent of it, Roadblocks has over fifty four

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Speaker 7: million daily users, with nearly half of them under thirteen

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Speaker 1: To Tanya jord And you got me drinking from the

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Speaker 1: fire hydrant too much, too fast. Just start the whole

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Speaker 1: thing over, because you say this is what I could

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Speaker 1: get that quickly. You say it's the most popular popular

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Speaker 1: gaming platform. A. What's the gaming platform for children between

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Speaker 1: ages five and twelve? But they're fifty four million people

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Speaker 1: on it? That sounds like some pain Some adults are

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Speaker 7: One hundred percent. Yeah, nearly half of them are under thirteen,

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Speaker 7: which means nearly half of them are over thirteen, perhaps

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Speaker 7: over eighteen, perhaps over thirty.

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Speaker 1: Why are thirty year old and you know it's man, sorry,

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Speaker 1: man on the panel, but it's you. Why are grown

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Speaker 1: men playing roadblocks? Don't they need to work?

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Speaker 1: Why don't I just go over to Lego Land and

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Speaker 7: You know what's very concerning, Nancy is that I posted

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Speaker 7: You posted it, yeah, Instagram dot com slash t Tanya Jordan.

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Speaker 1: Roughly eighteen million twains in the US, but there's fifty

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Speaker 1: Nancy? Is this Ali? I mean if I caught my

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Speaker 5: Right now, I am the mother of an almost twenty

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Speaker 5: world back then, to Tanya, right, But anyway, he's still games.

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Speaker 5: My son is twenty three and where does he live? Denver, Colorado?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was just curious about I mean, I

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Speaker 7: Correct, fifty four million daily users of the platform.

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Speaker 1: Unless you create games. It lets you play other people's games.

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Speaker 1: Does it let you have an alternate identity to Tanya?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you don't have to use your real name as

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Speaker 1: It looks a lot like Minecraft, does it not. That's

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Speaker 1: And you can absolutely lie about who you are and

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Speaker 1: your age. William Slater joining me, cybersecurity expert, Chief Information

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Speaker 1: Security Officer at Slater Technologies. You can find them at

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Speaker 1: Jump in again, people, This is not high t at

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Speaker 1: windsor Castle. You're not curtseying before Queen Camilla. Jump in people. Okay,

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Speaker 8: Let me share some commonalities with you. The last time

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Speaker 8: we discussed mis Alyssa Mcommon and her twelve year old

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Speaker 1: Got herself pregnant. She's a grown woman with children and

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Speaker 8: Right, correct? And who knows what's going on with their marriage.

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Speaker 8: That's none of my business and I never speculate, but

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Speaker 8: if you connect the dots, you know this is a

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Speaker 5: Real danger, very real danger for our kids.

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Speaker 1: Also with us Fran Longwell, former Deputy States Attorney Calvert County, Maryland,

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Speaker 1: of our guests are right. It's a commonality. It's something

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Speaker 9: Fran Longwell, absolutely I had a couple of cases like

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Speaker 1: It wasn't even online.

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Speaker 9: He was like tracking them from school and then would

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Speaker 9: You just don't know who's out there.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it's much more sinister, it's much more nefarious

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Speaker 1: because absolutely, you think that you're watching them, you think

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Speaker 1: could be talking to a product or Barry Golden with me,

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Speaker 10: You know? And I'm listening to the conversations by all

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Speaker 10: from it is, you know, this device is just a

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Speaker 1: Well, Roadblocks is out there, Berry Golden, just like Fortnite,

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Speaker 3: This, police say. The man the girl had gone to

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Speaker 4: He does exactly so. He took her across the state line,

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Speaker 1: Well do you have a problem with that, Alexis? How

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that he should be facing even longer

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Speaker 1: Alexi terreshat crime online dot Com, You're absolutely right. He

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Speaker 1: Slater joining a cybersecurity expert and chief information security officer

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Speaker 1: Slater Technologies, Inc. William question. The police very quickly uncovered

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Speaker 1: Darius Matlewatches full name. They know exactly where he lives.

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Speaker 8: And this is not an advertisement. It's just one of

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Speaker 8: my favorite tools. It's called truthfinder dot com. And I'll

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Speaker 8: tell you why I use this tool. I use it

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Speaker 8: tool for a couple of reasons. One, this is a

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Speaker 8: great research tool to find out about people. The second

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Speaker 8: reason is, for all the years I've been in computing,

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Speaker 8: I've never gone out on the dark web. And I

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Speaker 8: don't advise pe to go in the dark web. So

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Speaker 8: this tells you. This truthfinder dot com tells you a

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Speaker 8: lot about people, including the vehicle ID of the vehicle

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Speaker 8: they drive. It tells you all their past phone numbers,

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Speaker 8: their addresses, their associates, et cetera. So I think their

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Speaker 8: investigation may have started there, but.

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Speaker 1: They had to have a way to get his name.

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Speaker 1: So they go to the girl's computer. Well, she's been

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Speaker 1: playing roadblocks, and what if anything do they find on

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Speaker 1: the computer. Let's go chronologically from A to Z. The

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Speaker 1: first thing they do is look at her computer or

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Speaker 1: her cell phone, which I'm sure she took with her.

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Speaker 1: But what would they look for on her computer?

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Speaker 8: William Slater, Yeah, the first thing that they would look

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Speaker 8: at is things like the browser cash and in any

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Speaker 8: residual data, data files that can be found that are

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Speaker 8: associated with that application, and then it all falls down

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Speaker 8: from there. It's very easy.

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Speaker 1: Can you please speak English to me? They go on

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Speaker 1: her computer, they find out who she's playing roadblocks with.

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Speaker 1: Then they can find his PI Internet provider, his IP

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Speaker 1: excuse me internet provider, and from there they may be

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Speaker 1: able to get his telephone if he's telephone number, if

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Speaker 1: he's playing on a cell phone, which he probably is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think, Let me throw this

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Speaker 1: to Tanya Jordan. I doubt he's sitting at a mainframe.

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Speaker 1: He's probably on a tablet or his phone, because you

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Speaker 1: see tweens playing on their phones more than on a mainframe, right.

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Speaker 7: That's correct. Yeah, the mobile aspect and usage of roadblocks

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Speaker 7: amongst children is very high. I will say that Roadblocks

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Speaker 7: has been forthcoming about working with law enforcement to help.

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Speaker 7: So the second that law enforcement pinned Roadblocks about this incident,

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Speaker 7: I know that they were probably doing all they could

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Speaker 7: to dig in, find this user name and surface any

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Speaker 7: information they had about him.

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Speaker 1: So how do you locate the person based on the

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Speaker 1: little girl's computer? What do you do? Would it be

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Speaker 1: e Barry Golden or to Tawnia, anybody on the panel.

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Speaker 1: If you look on her, as he said, her browser cash,

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Speaker 1: you would see with whom she's been playing, and then

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Speaker 1: you backtrack from there. Is that how they get his

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Speaker 1: phone number and from his phone number they get his location?

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Speaker 1: Is that how it works? Anybody?

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Speaker 10: So you don't know what's on the account. You might

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Speaker 10: have an account on Roadblocks where you have to put

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Speaker 10: some kind of email or contact number or something like that.

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Speaker 10: I don't know that the ins and outs of how

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Speaker 10: that database is all set up, So you may have

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Speaker 10: something like that on there.

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Speaker 1: Well, think about it. If you want to get at

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Speaker 1: a new Gmail account, you put in your information and

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Speaker 1: you give them information like your phone or some other

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Speaker 1: email account, and so Gmail has your info because you

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Speaker 1: gave it to them in order to create a Gmail account.

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Speaker 1: Very Golden helped me out.

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Speaker 10: Yes, absolutely, And so you know all these accounts. When

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Speaker 10: you sign up for an account, do you have emails?

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Speaker 10: You have phone numbers and stuff.

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Speaker 1: With credit cards?

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Speaker 10: All I need is a phone number. You give me

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Speaker 10: a phone number, I'm gonna know exactly who you are

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Speaker 10: in about thirty seconds. Absolutely, So that's an easy way.

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Speaker 10: That's an easy way to backtrack the law enforcement. They

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Speaker 10: jumped on that. And one you don't know is that

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Speaker 10: if this guy he steered away from roadblocks, maybe he

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Speaker 10: provided a cell phone number. Maybe it's a you know,

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Speaker 10: if he's really trying to cover his tracks, he's going

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Speaker 10: to use a Google Chat or text me now or

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Speaker 10: text now. There's all these apps out there that are

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Speaker 10: anonymous voice voiceover IP numbers that you're virtually anonymous, and

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Speaker 10: people think, oh, yeah, I'm anonymous with this. No you're not. Okay,

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Speaker 10: I can still backtrack you through. That's going that's going

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Speaker 10: to take a little bit, you know, some subpoenas, but

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Speaker 10: we can still backtrack you. Law enforce that can't do that.

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Speaker 1: And I got to tell you, Wayne County jumped on it,

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Speaker 1: and they figure out his location. Listen.

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Speaker 3: When he was contacted by police, Matlwich denied knowing the

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Speaker 3: girl's whereabouts. Finally, after answering more questions, Mattelwich admitted to

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Speaker 3: picking up the girl and driving her back across stay

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Speaker 3: lines to his home in Bear, Delaware. The girl's parents

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Speaker 3: were not aware and did not consent to the trip.

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Speaker 3: He gave police his address at nine twenty five am.

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Speaker 3: First responders showed up.

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace to fran Longwell, former Deputy

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Speaker 1: State's Attorney Calvert County way in Now what they find

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Speaker 1: his location than what they do.

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Speaker 9: I'm sure they tried to at that time. They're going

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Speaker 9: to interview him and try to find out what's going

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Speaker 9: on and find out if the girl's there, get the

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Speaker 9: girl back. I'm sure when they called him and said

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Speaker 9: he was in Delaware, they had people there right away

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Speaker 9: in order to get the child, to get her away

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Speaker 9: from him.

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Speaker 1: The number one concern is getting the girl out of

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Speaker 1: his place. Alexis treshot what happened.

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Speaker 4: Then they took her back from him. They went and

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Speaker 4: rescued her and took her, I believe, to a medical

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Speaker 4: facility to make sure. Again she's eleven years old. He's

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Speaker 4: in his twenties. He's so much older than she is.

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Speaker 1: He's almost thirty.

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Speaker 4: And you would never expect that this was This isn't

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Speaker 4: an eleven year old and a fifteen year old. This

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Speaker 4: is a grown adult.

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Speaker 1: Alexis, have you look as much very disheveled. He is

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Speaker 1: the stereotypical guy hunch Stover's computer in the basement late

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Speaker 1: at night, playing roadblocks in his underwear. I can just

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Speaker 1: can yes him. And I want to point out another

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Speaker 1: thing that when authorities first came to his home, he

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Speaker 1: answered extremely evasively he he wouldn't say if the girl

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Speaker 1: was there, and he initially answered, quote in the negative,

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Speaker 1: that she was not there. So let me ask you

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Speaker 1: this fran Longwell, if he was trying to help the girl,

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Speaker 1: why take her off across state lines, why hide her

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Speaker 1: in his place and lie when the cops.

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Speaker 9: Ask exactly because he wasn't trying to help her. He

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Speaker 9: was trying to kidnap her, just as he did, and

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Speaker 9: he had other ideas. I'm sure of what he was

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Speaker 9: going to what the relationship is you want to call it,

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Speaker 9: that it was going to be from then on. He

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Speaker 9: wasn't about to let them know she was with him,

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Speaker 9: because then he knows he's in trouble. He knows he's

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Speaker 9: in trouble. Now he's taken her out of state. He

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Speaker 9: knows he's in trouble, so he's trying to hide it.

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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to our friends at crimeonline dot com.

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Speaker 3: The Pisee County Prosecutor's Office charge twenty seven year old

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Speaker 3: Darius Mettlewitch with first degree kidnapping and third degree in

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Speaker 3: endangering the welfare of a child, which five foot eight,

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Speaker 3: two hundred and nine pounds and twenty seven years old.

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Speaker 3: He has since been extradited to New Jersey and faces

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Speaker 3: up to thirty years in prison if convicted on the

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Speaker 3: kidnapping charge. A judge ordered Matlwich to remain detained following

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Speaker 3: his initial court appearance. The judge cited to defend this

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Speaker 3: initial abstructive behavior in question about the girl's disappearance. The

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Speaker 3: judge also said Malllewich's lack of ties to the community

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Speaker 3: made him a flight risk given the seriousness of the charges.

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Speaker 1: And more or let's know what the prosecutor said.

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Speaker 9: Pas say it.

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Speaker 3: County Assistant prosecutor Jessica Petrella argued that the relationship between

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Speaker 3: the eleven year old girl and Darius Madlewich, a man

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Speaker 3: more than twice her age, was inappropriate. New Jersey dot

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Speaker 3: Com reported that the assistant prosecutor said, quote, if Matlwich

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Speaker 3: was concerned for the girl's safety, he had other options

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Speaker 3: besides taking her back to his home. The man reportedly

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Speaker 3: told police that he quote thought he could handle this himself. Unquote.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got to hear what the defense attorney is saying,

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Speaker 1: and I got to tell you this is why, this

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Speaker 1: is why we have the Fifth Amendment to remain sire,

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Speaker 1: right to remain silent, because this lawyer, I think is

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Speaker 1: just digging the whole worse to bury his client. Let's

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Speaker 1: star cut six.

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Speaker 3: North Jersey dot Com reports that Jillian Elko, attorney for

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Speaker 3: Darius Madlwich, argued that there were quote no allegations here

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Speaker 3: of any nefarious intent by my client unquote in the

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Speaker 3: alleged kidnapping. The attorney for Matlwich also stated that the

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Speaker 3: little girl begged Matlwich to pick her up from what

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Speaker 3: Elko called a quote unhealthy and unstable living situation unquote.

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Speaker 3: Elko also said Mattelwich repeatedly discouraged the girl from running away,

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Speaker 3: and after picking her up, asked her several times if

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Speaker 3: she wanted to go back.

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Speaker 1: No, to Sherry Schwartz, I think I need a shrink.

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Speaker 1: So you got a guy nearly thirty years old asking

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Speaker 1: a little eleven year old girl you're sure you don't

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Speaker 1: want to go back. He's the adult, not her.

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Speaker 6: That is so true, And my brain is screaming this

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Speaker 6: whole time. I'm older than twenty seven a professional, so

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Speaker 6: maybe I know a little bit more, But I feel

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Speaker 6: like if somebody is in trouble a runaway, if that's

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Speaker 6: what you're claiming right, that she's a runaway and she

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Speaker 6: needs to get out of her situation, what training do

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Speaker 6: you have to help her? Why is it that you

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Speaker 6: don't know you're supposed to call authorities, which would have

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Speaker 6: been much more efficient and fast, right, just just plain

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Speaker 6: faster to get this child help. If that's what you

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Speaker 6: really believe, then driving what three hours to get to

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Speaker 6: her in the middle of the night.

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Speaker 1: In the middle of the night, and in absconding with

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Speaker 1: her across state lines and all of his b asked

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Speaker 1: about an unhealthy living situation? Where was mommy? Mommy? Was

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Speaker 1: she out at the club lightning around Alexis Rashak? Was

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Speaker 1: mommy out clubbing that night? Yes? No? No? Was mommy

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Speaker 1: hanging out of the bar, yeah, Treshchek. Was she trying

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Speaker 1: to score some crack on?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 1: Was she cooking up meth in the kitchen?

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Speaker 5: Nope?

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Speaker 1: Where was she? Alexis Terreschuk at work overnight shift, working

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Speaker 1: the overnight shift so she could be with the kids

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Speaker 1: during the day. It reminds me so much alexis of

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Speaker 1: my dad that you and I have discussed many times,

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Speaker 1: working the night shift, and as he called it, the

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Speaker 1: third trick to support us, my mom working the day

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Speaker 1: and him working the night. And this guy wants to

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Speaker 1: maddle witch, wants to jump up and say it's an

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Speaker 1: unhealthy living situation because mommy's out working the night shift

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Speaker 1: to support these two children. If I could just get

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Speaker 1: my hands around him, give him a little finger necklace.

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Speaker 1: But the mom was up onto what was happening. She

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Speaker 1: didn't trust the daughter being on And remember the little

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Speaker 1: girl is just eleven. Take a listen to our cut.

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Speaker 3: Too, The mom tells police this is not the first

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Speaker 3: time the girl's gone missing. A missing prisons report was

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Speaker 3: filed in June, but the eleven year old return ninety

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Speaker 3: minutes later, telling her mother that she had met up

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Speaker 3: with a man she had been talking to on the

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Speaker 3: online game platform ROBLOCKX. Roblocks is a virtual universe that

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Speaker 3: allows users to create and share experiences online, encouraging players

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Speaker 3: to quote be anything you can imagine unquote. The girl

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Speaker 3: was grounded after that incident, and access to the online

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Speaker 3: platforms was taken away, but North Jersey dot Com reports

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Speaker 3: the mother now says she thinks the girl may have

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Speaker 3: used other family members' phones to continue to communicate with

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Speaker 3: the man.

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Speaker 1: So Titania and Jordan joining me, chief parent Officer at

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Speaker 1: bart Permental Controls. This is not an AD, I have,

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Speaker 1: Bark and it's so sensitive that I've told this story before, Titania,

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Speaker 1: so bear with me. John David was playing soccer at

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Speaker 1: the time and he dove Who's goalie? He dove through

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Speaker 1: the net somehow and he stopped the other side from scoring,

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Speaker 1: and he got bruises up and down his right arm

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Speaker 1: doing it. And he was so proud of what he did.

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Speaker 1: He took pictures of it and sent it to one

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Speaker 1: of his little friends. Hey, look what happened to me.

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Speaker 1: But I stopped the score. BARK picked up. I got

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Speaker 1: an alert self harm, self harm on John David. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what it was? They so sensitive? It picked up that

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Speaker 1: he had a bruise and a picture. That's what BARK

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Speaker 1: is and again, not an AD. But you think your

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Speaker 1: children are saved. The mom took the phone away. She

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Speaker 1: was only gone ninety minutes. And that's how carefully this

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Speaker 1: mom is watching her after she's gone for a few

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Speaker 1: minutes less than thirty minutes, and the mom doesn't realize

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Speaker 1: where she is. She calls police. A little girl came

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Speaker 1: home within ninety minutes and she had been out. She

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Speaker 1: had met this guy somehow and only gone ninety minutes.

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Speaker 1: The mom takes the phone away, takes electronics away from her,

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Speaker 1: but somehow she manages to sneak back on, probably when

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Speaker 1: my mom was at work. So ta, Tanya Jordan, what

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Speaker 1: do we do?

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Speaker 9: First?

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Speaker 7: We got to get our heads out of sand, which

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Speaker 7: we're doing by listening to this program right now. Next,

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Speaker 7: we need to have candid conversations with our children about

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Speaker 7: tricky people and how they might seem really nice online

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Speaker 7: but they do not have our best interest in mind.

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Speaker 7: Then we need to monitor. We need to use bark,

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Speaker 7: We need to send screen time limits and filters and controls,

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Speaker 7: and make sure the tech that our children have have

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Speaker 7: location tracking capabilities. It's a whole new world when you

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Speaker 7: let your children have tech. You've got to use tech

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Speaker 7: to help parent them.

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Speaker 1: You know what I do After I met you, t Tanya,

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Speaker 1: I always ask, hey, who are you playing with? Who's that?

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Speaker 1: And my son tells me and I check, and that

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Speaker 1: is always somebody. They have to play with somebody they

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Speaker 1: actually know in real life.

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Speaker 7: Art.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with my daughter, who are you texting? She's

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Speaker 1: on into the games, but she texts a good bit.

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Speaker 1: She's always on Pinterest in other places. I always ask

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Speaker 1: once in a while, I've checked behind them, and they've

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Speaker 1: always told me the truth. But this little girl probably

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Speaker 1: was afraid she was going to get in trouble, and

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Speaker 1: she was using probably her brother's device, his cell phone.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds, and as of right now,

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Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what happened to this little girl,

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Speaker 1: but we will find out. Goodbye, friend,