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Speaker 2: Everybody, John Middlecoff three and out podcast, Happy Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Here is the game plan.

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Speaker 2: If you hadn't heard, I recorded a US Open Reaction

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Speaker 2: over the week, and definitely on Sunday, so that came

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Speaker 2: out on Monday. Today we'll be an interview only with

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Speaker 2: former Georgia quarterback and current Volume podcaster Aaron Murray. He

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Speaker 2: he has a podcast called Snaps with t Bop, who

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Speaker 2: is a trip former LSU offensive lineman. I think I'm

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Speaker 1: So this is just.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be me and Aaron Murray talking some football, talking

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Speaker 2: SCC talking quarterbacks, and then we will have more golf

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Speaker 2: stuff coming up. Wednesday, We're going to interview a player

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Speaker 2: the Netflix special talk to Sobel about some lasting images

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Speaker 2: Am I looking for the US open and then I

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Speaker 2: will do a heavy, heavy mail bag come Friday. So

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Speaker 2: We got content galore. We'll keep grinding and hopefully you

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Speaker 2: we have a special guest, a colleague host of Snaps

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Speaker 2: on the volume. You can see him, call him SEC

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Speaker 2: football games on ESPN, the SEC network. You can just

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Speaker 1: I have to.

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Speaker 2: Validate this with him, but the all time leading touchdown

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Speaker 2: passer in Georgia history not a bad stat to have,

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Speaker 2: especially in the last last couple of years, Aaron, just.

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Speaker 1: Just to correct your SEC history.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I've been I'm gonna roll that one back, Aaron Murray,

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Speaker 2: what's up?

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Speaker 1: Hopefully for a lot longer. This is damn quarterback a

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Speaker 1: he can take me down here the next year or two.

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Speaker 1: But records are meant to be broken. That's why I'm

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Speaker 1: still ticked off. I don't got a damn ring on

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny for those of us on the

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Speaker 2: What it feels like there are four schools, correct me

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Speaker 1: When I'm in my meetings with Matt Naggi, who was

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Speaker 1: it's it's literally, you know, seven days a week, you

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Speaker 2: Well, I knew someone that had worked for Belichick and

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Speaker 1: No, And and obviously Nick last year, I mean we

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Speaker 1: Not this, I mean LSU would have. The difference between

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You take Bryce off that team, and which is why

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Speaker 1: I think Alabama struggles a little bit this year because

431
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure about the pieces around the quarterback. It's

432
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Speaker 1: an eight win team, nine win team. I mean, that's

433
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Speaker 1: the difference. So you look at quarterbacks nowadays, and it

434
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Speaker 1: was weird because you did see a couple of Power

435
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: five quarterbacks that were starters leaving and you're kind of like, okay,

436
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Speaker 1: is it an il? Is it? You know, the thought

437
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 1: of winning a championship. I think a couple of guys

438
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: made some mistakes leaving their spot. But you know, whatever

439
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: the reason is, or just change the scenery, it's it's

440
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: it's it's good for them. I think you brought up

441
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Speaker 1: bow Nicks bow his last year at all brings. I

442
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: covered him a few times. Was great. He was a magician. Man,

443
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: he was a man, one man band. He was making plays,

444
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 1: running around, making defenders miss, extending plays, had no support

445
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Speaker 1: from receivers. They actually fired the receiver coach mill the

446
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: season because that's how bad they were at the receiving position.

447
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: And you're just like, man, if you put this guy

448
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 1: in a team that has some support, there's something there,

449
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he goes Oregon has a

450
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Speaker 1: hell of a season. I think he's gonna have a

451
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Speaker 1: hell of season again this year. So it's been fun

452
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Speaker 1: to watch. It definitely makes the the the off season

453
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Speaker 1: a little bit more entertaining. And from a coach's perspective,

454
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Speaker 1: do you want to risk bringing a high school kid

455
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Speaker 1: that may end up transferring anyways, or getting a you know,

456
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: at a power five school that's a proven commodity, bringing

457
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 1: him in, plugging him in now, and then all of

458
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: a sudden your roster's improved day one. It's it's a

459
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Speaker 1: fine balance, you know, you never know what to do,

460
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: but it's hard to pass up. Some of these guys

461
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 1: that are at smaller schools have balled out for a

462
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 1: couple of years, that you know can come in and

463
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Speaker 1: be your starter day one.

464
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Speaker 2: You know, I kind of have a theory that over

465
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Speaker 2: Nick Saban's tenure, which is like the lead boat that

466
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Speaker 2: has brought this tide that's lifted up everyone made the

467
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: conference way better, which has bled down to basketball. Now

468
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: your power guys have always been good at baseball, but

469
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 2: now it's like you're hosting all these regionals. These golf

470
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 2: teams are all flying private that I remember a couple

471
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Speaker 2: of years ago being Sacramento playing golf with this guy

472
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Speaker 2: who's a farmer and both of his kids. One went

473
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Speaker 2: to Tennessee and one went to Ole, Miss And I

474
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: hear more and more stories about kids that aren't going

475
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Speaker 2: to like San Diego State, or they are leaving to go.

476
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Speaker 1: To the third. Yeah, yeah, you know do.

477
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Speaker 2: You feel I know, you lived in the South most

478
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Speaker 2: of your life, but like the SEC has just become

479
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,239
Speaker 2: and I don't know, much more cool, like just like

480
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: it's it's it's less regional now and more just like

481
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Speaker 2: I should, I'd go to I'll go to Georgia, I'll

482
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Speaker 2: go to Florida. And I'm from Arizona or I'm from

483
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Speaker 2: Seattle or whatever, not even now I'm not even talking

484
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Speaker 2: to play sports.

485
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Speaker 1: I'm just talking to school. Yeah, yes, yeah, Well, I

486
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Speaker 1: would say for a lot of the universities, I mean,

487
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Speaker 1: academics have improved. They're not that they're not. I wouldn't.

488
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say the academics are the same

489
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Speaker 1: as some of the schools on the West Coast. But

490
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Speaker 1: you know that has improved, I think more than anything,

491
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Speaker 1: to me, the difference is the money and what they're

492
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Speaker 1: putting into it, in the resources and the coaches too.

493
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Speaker 1: I mean, you brought up basketball for the SEC. You

494
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Speaker 1: know what's been the big change for basketball over the

495
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 1: past five years in the SEC. It starts with Sankie. Obviously,

496
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Speaker 1: you have probably the most powerful voice in all of

497
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Speaker 1: college sports, and Greg Sanki and he said, we I

498
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: want to be better in basketball, and we got players

499
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Speaker 1: in the Southeast to be a better at basketball conference.

500
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Speaker 1: We don't need these guys going to North Carolina and

501
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Speaker 1: dot to the West Coast like we need to keep

502
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Speaker 1: them here in the SEC. So what do we do?

503
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: Spend money on facilities, spend money on coaches. All of

504
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 1: a sudden, now you've got elite coaches, elite facilities, and

505
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 1: now these kids want to stay home and come to

506
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Speaker 1: these schools, and all of a sudden, now you're seeing

507
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a handful of teams in the SEC tournament.

508
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Speaker 1: You know, Alabama was the number one team in the

509
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Speaker 1: country for a while last year, Auburn was one of

510
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Speaker 1: the number one teams in the country for a while. Obviously,

511
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Speaker 1: Kentucky is one of the blue bloods out there. So

512
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Speaker 1: from top to bottom, basketball is improved, Baseball is always

513
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Speaker 1: going to be great. You know, the women's sports is phenomenal. Basketball.

514
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Speaker 1: You've had South Carolina and now LSU look as the

515
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Speaker 1: top two teams in the country this year. Gymnastics has

516
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Speaker 1: always been elite. Softball has always been one of the

517
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Speaker 1: top schools. Now you add Oklahoma next year into the mix.

518
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Speaker 1: Who's been the predominant team in all of college sports

519
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Speaker 1: when it comes to softball, like, there isn't a sport

520
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Speaker 1: now that the SEC can't say we're one of the

521
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Speaker 1: top and gets basketball, maybe you could say they're three.

522
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Speaker 1: But besides men's basketball, and maybe that's even a good

523
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: discussion too, we're one of the top one or two

524
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Speaker 1: conferences in that sport in America. It's just they got

525
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Speaker 1: more money to spend, and these kids want to go

526
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Speaker 1: to places that have big, fancy facilities that they know

527
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Speaker 1: is going to put me in the best situations to

528
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Speaker 1: excel in college and then possibly go to pro afterwards.

529
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Speaker 2: Obviously, from a money standpoint, Texas and Oklahoma only going

530
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Speaker 2: to bring more cash with those two brands.

531
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Speaker 1: But from an on the field.

532
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Speaker 2: Standpoint, do you consider yourself one of those SEC elitists

533
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Speaker 2: that just go.

534
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Speaker 1: We are going to beat the shit out of these guys. Now,

535
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. I mean, I mean, if there's

536
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Speaker 1: two teams that are ready to join the SEC, it

537
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: would be Texas Oklahoma. I mean, I know Oklahoma had

538
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Speaker 1: a little bit of it down here last year. You know,

539
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Speaker 1: you expect Venables to kind of get that ship going

540
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Speaker 1: in the right direction. They had a good recruiting class.

541
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Speaker 2: Aaron he better because he won't make it to the

542
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Speaker 2: SEC with another season like that.

543
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Speaker 1: I think he so will. I think he will. I

544
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Speaker 1: think they'll give him your three years. You don't want

545
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Speaker 1: to go into this SEE with a brand new coach either. Sure,

546
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, do you want to go into

547
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: the SEC with a brand new coach? You fire that one,

548
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: then you get a mass exodus of players in the

549
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: transfer portal and you're kind of limping into the SEC.

550
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: It's like, I'd rather give him one opportunity, you know,

551
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Speaker 1: give him that third year to build and then see

552
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: what he could do before you make a decision. You know,

553
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Speaker 1: if anyone's on the hot seat at SARK, I think

554
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: if SARK, you know, if SARK has a seven to

555
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: eight win team this year, then you do question, Okay,

556
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: you've had the time and you can't have success your

557
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: third year in the Big Tip twelve. What gives us

558
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Speaker 1: any confidence you're going to have success in the SEC

559
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: like that, that's a problem. But I do expect both

560
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Speaker 1: teams to be contending for the Big twelve this year.

561
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: They're just more talented than everyone else. But they've also

562
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Speaker 1: been more talented and they haven't proven in the past

563
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: couple of years. So we'll see if they get the

564
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Speaker 1: ship right. But if anyone and the Big twelve or

565
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Speaker 1: the Pac twelve to make the transition right now or

566
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Speaker 1: the ACC, those would be two of four or five

567
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Speaker 1: teams that I said, okay, you bring them into the

568
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: SEC right now, they could compete possibly day one. You know,

569
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Speaker 1: you're you're a quarterback.

570
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Speaker 2: And I know you keep tabs on all these guys,

571
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Speaker 2: Trevor probably the last couple of years best prospect, you know,

572
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: Bryce and some of these guys in ECJ.

573
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Speaker 1: Would you put Caleb?

574
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Speaker 2: I mean, for my money, Caleb might be a little

575
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: more physically gifted than Trevor in terms of probably a

576
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: little more powerful arm. Obviously trit Trevor's going to turn

577
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: into an excellent NFL player, But I mean Caleb's got

578
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 2: a chance to be one of the best prospects in

579
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Speaker 2: recent memory.

580
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Speaker 1: I mean, Caleb would have been the first player picking

581
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Speaker 1: off the draft this year. I mean that's always your

582
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: conversation though. I mean, if Caleb and Trevor coming out

583
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Speaker 1: the same time when you take it, and I mean,

584
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Speaker 1: I'm just such a big fan of of Mahomes and

585
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Speaker 1: what Mahomes has done, and he is to me, he's

586
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: Mahomes today. There isn't the work that Andy Reid needs

587
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: to put into it of you know, sitting behind Alex

588
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: Smith for a year refining his tools and then kind

589
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: of giving him to the keys to the car of

590
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Speaker 1: the fall year. Like you get Caleb now. He's ready

591
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: to go and he does everything you want from a

592
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: quarterback standpoint of you know, the arm tunnel, the accuracy,

593
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: the escapability, the creativity, the running ability, all that stuff.

594
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: I mean, he is. I know everyone hates comparisons, but

595
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: you just you have to. You have to give comps

596
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: to people because you kind of have to project what

597
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: they could possibly be at the next level. He is,

598
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: he's Mahomes, but he's more ready to play in the

599
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: NFL earlier than Mahomes was, so I would take him.

600
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's a better prospect. But

601
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm with you too, like Trevor is a freak, you know,

602
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: and and Trevor had a hell of a year last year,

603
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: finished off strong. I was with Doug Pearson for three

604
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: years of my career there between Kansas City and Philadelphia,

605
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: and I can tell you one thing, Doug's going to

606
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: make sure that that kid continues to get better and

607
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: better and better and better. But right now, Caleb is

608
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: he's special. I mean, he's special. And you know, to me,

609
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: I know Bryce was in a position to go back

610
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: to back Heisman's Caleb's a better prospect than Bryce Young was,

611
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: and it sire even more of a legitimate opportunity to

612
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: go back to back. When it comes to Heisman's.

613
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Speaker 2: One thing was clear by the end of the year

614
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: right SC's defense that they had no business being a

615
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: playoff team. They couldn't hang with the big dogs. He's

616
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: definitely he landed at multiple SEC transfers on defense.

617
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: Clearly they've I'm sure recruited that position.

618
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Speaker 2: Do you think it's enough time to be competitive with

619
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: you know, the top two or three?

620
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Speaker 1: Could they win the national championship this year? They could

621
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: easily win the national championship this year. I don't think

622
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: you needed You don't need an incredible improvement on defense.

623
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Speaker 1: I don't think you do. I don't think you need

624
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: all of a sudden to be they're giving up, you know,

625
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: high twenty points per game, twenty seven to twenty. I

626
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: think somewhere around there. You don't need all of a

627
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: sudden be given up eighteen points a game to be

628
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: a national contender with Caleb at quarterback in that offense

629
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Speaker 1: and how good they're going to be this year, you

630
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: just need to be a team that gives up instead

631
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: of twenty eight points per game, gives up twenty four

632
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: points per game. You know that's it. I mean, you

633
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: look at their games last year. I mean their losses

634
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: were you know, one score games. So if you can

635
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: just get a little bit better, which personnel wise, they're

636
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: significantly better on defense, which should translate into you know,

637
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: points per game. To me, anytime you got a quarterback

638
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: like Caleb, you're gonna have an opportunity to win a

639
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: national championship. And I'll say this too, even though Georgia

640
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: is dominated on defense the past two years, offenses still

641
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: win championships. Look at two years ago versus Alabama. Alabama

642
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: beat the living crap out of Georgia and the SEC

643
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: championship game probably would have beat out Georgia once again

644
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Speaker 1: in the Nattie. Had both receivers been healthy last year,

645
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: Ohio State probably should have beat Georgia. If they're healthy

646
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: on offense, if both receivers are healthy, if Marvin Harrison

647
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: doesn't get knocked out, what had to win the game

648
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: for Georgia. Their offense defense can get you there, and

649
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: it's awesome to have, but if you want to win

650
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: a championship in today's game, it starts first with the offense.

651
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: And right now USC has a championship offense and a

652
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: defense that just needs to get a little bit better.

653
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: Which they will. So yeah, there are one hundred percent contenders.

654
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: Saban's been saying that now for half a decade. Right

655
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: that the game changed.

656
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: I get a lot of questions from people Bears fans,

657
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: Lions fans, Falcons fans that like, why didn't we just

658
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: take Jalen Carter?

659
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: And my take on this is just the.

660
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: Eagles were uniquely set up with older vet legend guys

661
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: on defense, Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham, and then kind of

662
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: that young guys that have played with him to kind

663
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: of handle the situation. You're a Georgia guy, what was

664
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: your take on the Jalen Carter just overall situation? And

665
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: do you think that he went to the right spot.

666
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: Well, he went to the right spot for him. I

667
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing is is the Georgia players. I mean,

668
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: they have that many guys that were his boys that

669
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: he knows and he's comfortable with, you know, I if

670
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm Howie, I'm telling those guys like, hey, you better

671
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: be taking him to dinner, you better be rooming with him,

672
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: you better be with him twenty four to seven, and

673
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: you guys just rotate and and and essentially be glorified babysitters.

674
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: So I think for him it's a perfect spot because

675
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: he's going to be comfortable to be able to hang

676
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: out with those guys to hopefully say out of trouble

677
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: and do everything right. But when it comes to just

678
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: pure talent, he was the most talented player in this

679
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: draft to me, I mean he was. He was the

680
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: best player in the draft. He's a guy that, you know,

681
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: if you didn't need a quarterback, I'm picking him first.

682
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: He's instant Aaron Donald, day one disruptor, takes on two blocks,

683
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: can can, can, can win the run game, can win

684
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: the past game. You know. To me that as a quarterback,

685
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: that's always a tougher guy. Like I love Luy Anderson,

686
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, but if there's a you know, a one

687
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: technique or a three technique that can get after the

688
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: quarterback and put pressure in my face, that is so

689
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: much harder than a defensive end coming off the edge,

690
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: so much harder. So best player was gifted player in

691
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: the draft. If that incident didn't happen with the crash,

692
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: I think he goes higher. But I think for his sake,

693
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: this was the best situation for him to go to

694
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: the Eagles.

695
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and when you say Nakobe Dean and

696
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: Nolan Smith are like captain level high character, you know,

697
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: that's pretty uniquely suited for him. I don't think people

698
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: probably listening quite understand this. You know, in college, it's like,

699
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: how do guys that leave the Alabama's program then get

700
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: in trouble in the pros or you know, it's like, well,

701
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: actually it's easier to control in college. Then once you

702
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: get to the pro you have a lot more time,

703
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: and I guess with Anil it's changed a little bit,

704
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: but you got a lot more money, especially your first

705
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: round pick.

706
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: You're also not living in that town either. I mean,

707
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: most NFL guys, you know, as soon as the season

708
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: over with, they're in the next flight the next day

709
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: to go back home. You know, there's not that controlled

710
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: environment where you go to Georgia, Obama. You usually have

711
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: a guy who is in charge of making sure everyone

712
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: kind of is doing, you know, what is right on

713
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: and off the field, and you're in small college towns

714
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: most of the time, so it's a little bit easier

715
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: to manage. Now, obviously Georgia's struggling a little bit with

716
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: these kids wanted to be NASCAR drivers, and that's a

717
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: bit of a problem right now, but you can usually

718
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: handle it a little bit easier, you know. But then

719
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: you do have the problem with they are eighteen to

720
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: twenty year olds that are still physically and mentally maturing,

721
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: and they're going to make a lot more mistakes than

722
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: a guy that's you know, I would say the majority

723
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: of guys that are in the NFL that are five

724
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: plus years in, you know, a lot of them are married,

725
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: they have kids, they got responsibilities, like, they're not going

726
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: they're not going crazy, you know, and obviously they're a

727
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: little bit more mentally and physically mature. So it's kind

728
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: of however you view it, but it is I would,

729
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: like you said, it is a little bit easier to

730
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: control when you're in a small college town.

731
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: You mentioned it when you got drafted, you went to

732
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: a place that had Andy Reid, Alex Smith, Doug Peterson,

733
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: and Matt Naggy. What was just first impressions getting to

734
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: the chief What was that experience?

735
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: Like, h it was awesome, And I remember my first

736
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: meeting because we also had Chase Daniel, who, you know,

737
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: one of the greatest backups in NFL history. When it

738
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: comes to money, you know, he's just done a hell

739
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: of a job. But you know, I remember walking into

740
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: that room and seeing all those those just powerful minds

741
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: that just know the game. And I remember they were

742
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: talking about plays and I sat down and they're they're

743
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: going through certain plays and I'm like, they're just messing

744
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: with me. Like it sounded like like I'm trying to

745
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: learn Manderin right now. It sounded like Mandarin to me,

746
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what the hell are they talking about?

747
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: Like I thought it was like some rookie hazing. We're

748
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: just joking with a young kid. And I opened up

749
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: the playbook and it's it's legit. I mean, you know

750
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's old school West. I mean it's

751
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: true West Coast offense where plays are fifteen, like twenty

752
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: five words long. And that was a really hard part

753
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: for me. But the way that coach Reid kind of

754
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: broke down the plays and why he was calling the

755
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: plays and kind of how the offense changed, I mean

756
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: today's game nowadays, which is incredible, which is I love.

757
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: It really goes through the tight end a lot of

758
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: times you're seeing in the NFL, you see it in

759
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: college and it's all about matchups. It's how can we

760
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: move our chess pieces around to get the best matchup.

761
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: And I remember my rookie year was Travis's first year

762
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: to play, the year before he was hurt, and seeing

763
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: how coach Reid moved him around the offense, Seeing how

764
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: Coach Reid moved Jamal Charles around the offense. I mean,

765
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: we had zero the first time in NFL history, zero

766
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: touchdowns receiving touchdowns from a receiver. But we would flex

767
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: Kelsey out, we would move Jamal to receiver. I mean,

768
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: Jamal ran a bench route as a receiver and cut

769
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: it for touchdown. Yet our receivers didn't do that. But

770
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: Andy Reed knew if I put Jamal in this situation,

771
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: he would had the better matchup to be able to

772
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: run this route, get open catch and score touchdown. Things

773
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: like that which I just never thought I was, like,

774
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: running back plays running back, tight end plays tight end,

775
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: not running back goes down and plays receiver. Tight end

776
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: goes plays receiver tight ends in the backfield. Like. Stuff

777
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: like that to me just really opened my eyes up

778
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: to what the potential offenses can be. And now we're

779
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: seeing more and more of it at all levels of football.

780
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: What was Andy like from a player's perspective in the

781
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: meetings with the quarterbacks. Hilarious, always joking, always get after

782
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: us about something, and always hell of stories. I mean

783
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: like we would have our post practice meetings which would

784
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: end five five thirty, and you know that would always

785
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: turn it. He would come into those meetings with us

786
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks and ended up being he would tell

787
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: us like a twenty thirty minute story after that of

788
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: something from like back in the day at Green Bay

789
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: or Philly, and it was just always really cool to

790
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: hear that. I was always joking with guys during installs,

791
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: had a fun way to you know, because it gets monotonous. Man,

792
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: you're installing a lot of times, very similar plays over

793
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: and over and over again, and every time he'd find

794
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: some new little funny twist on it to get guys

795
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: to pay attention, to grab one more little nugget about

796
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: the offense, which was was his specialty. But man, he

797
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: was he was awesome to be around. And Scoot and

798
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: Noggie was the same way. And so it was Doug,

799
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: what how about Alex?

800
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 2: Obviously his career, you know, you were seeing the career

801
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: renaissance of a guy who's seen some low moments. Just

802
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: being around him on a daily basis, Uh, what was

803
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: Alex like?

804
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: He was man, he was like a big brother. It

805
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: was funny because Chase and Olex are very different, you know,

806
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: and both of them are great and I got great

807
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: relationships with them. But Alex was, you know, so secure

808
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: for a guy that you like, you allude to at

809
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: such ups and downs to start his career, I mean,

810
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: four offensive coordinators and four head coaches in his first

811
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: four years. He was like twenty years old when he

812
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: got drafted. Obviously all the back and forth between him

813
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: and Rogers and all that stuff, but to be so

814
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: secure with who he was and what he was doing

815
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: in his process and to never feel threatened. You know,

816
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: he was always there to give advice and give help

817
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: and break down place for me. Like I mean, was

818
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: just was just so awesome to me. And Chase Chase

819
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: is the same way. Chase is so damn smart. But

820
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: Chase would have haze the shit out of me. I

821
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: mean just absolutely haze me, you know, especially my rookie

822
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: year with you know, having to do you know, pick

823
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: up shoulder pads and pick up donuts and this and

824
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: that and the other, but both were awesome, awesome, awesome

825
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: to be around.

826
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Speaker 2: You know, people often ask me like, why is Andy

827
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 2: such a better offensive coach than like ninety nine percent

828
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: of people? It's just beside the crazy stuff that now

829
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: Mahomes does. Even back when were you at the game

830
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: when Jamal Charles had like the three against the Raiders?

831
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: Uh screen had five touchdowns?

832
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there was a year before Yeah, I think

833
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: he had like four or five total and then like

834
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: the three screens.

835
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just like, why why do you think

836
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: coach Reid is such a good offensive play caller slash schemer.

837
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: I mean it goes back. I think because of what

838
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: I talked about before, Like he's not afraid to put

839
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: guys in different positions. I mean to tell a guy

840
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 1: like Jamal, like, hey man, you're going to flex around

841
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: and you're going to move around like you may have

842
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: just played running back at Texas your whole life, but

843
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: you're going to play a little receiver. And Kelsey You're like,

844
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: he just thinks outside the box. And and another fun

845
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: thing is, you know we'd be in morning meetings and

846
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: he would show up like it you know, seven not

847
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: he'd already be there in the facility, but he'd walk

848
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: into our meeting and you know, he'd have like a

849
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: napkin of dribbled up plays and he'd like, look at U, says,

850
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: what do you guys think of this? He said, I

851
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: woke up last night and just thought of this and

852
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: just wrote it down like he'd have like just random

853
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: like you know, seven or eleven napkins by his bed or

854
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: in his office where he would just jot down. And

855
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: I think that, man, it just really pushing the limits

856
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: of what each player can do. And then when you

857
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: give that player that responsibility, I think guys like that more.

858
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: You know, they like to be you know, to know

859
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: that hey, coach reviews me as not just this, but this, this,

860
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: this and this and this and this is how I

861
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: can better the offense. And I think that helps guys

862
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: take their game to another level as well. So not

863
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: only is it the schematics, but it's getting the most

864
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: out of the players. Yeah, I'll get you out of

865
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: here on this.

866
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: Hypothetically speaking, would you rather go nil money, pay taxes

867
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: or get the large brown bags no taxes?

868
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: Hypothetically speaking, I mean, is there a difference in the money.

869
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: I mean, what were we talking about you got a

870
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: factor in the taxes. Yeah, I mean, say similar for quarterbacks,

871
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: you guys. Now, I mean I don't know if brown

872
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: bags were ever hitting seven figures? Yeah, have you ever

873
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: thought about like what you would have done? You know,

874
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: just let's just say half a million dollars, you know,

875
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: at nineteen years old, half a million dollars of brown

876
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: bag money? Like the problem with that is that's yeah,

877
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: that's a no brainer. Well no, I don't know if

878
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: that's no brainner, I mean, how are you going to

879
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: clean that cash? That's true, I have to go, you know,

880
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: are we gonna have to go? You guys, watch you

881
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: just you just pocket money? Yeah? But what am I

882
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: gonna do with half a million dollars in cash when

883
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: it's I don't know? I mean, I mean that's just

884
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: to me that it's sounds stressful and I'll end up

885
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: getting like arrested because I'll put it all my bank

886
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: account and then all of a sudden, I, you know,

887
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: get a knock on the door, like where did all

888
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: this half a million dollars come from? And you haven't

889
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: reported any of it? So I've watched Timmy Ozarks and stuffing.

890
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true, that's true. Way to clean it.

891
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: So the story out, So give me that aisle.

892
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: The stories on these ni l I mean, you're you're

893
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: living it around these guys hearing these stories calling me.

894
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: Is it a little overblown? Not necessarily for like a klab,

895
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: but just the average. Is everyone making three hundred and

896
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: seventy five thousand dollars?

897
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: It is? It is so overblown. It is your superstars,

898
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: it's top recruits because of these collectives. You know, these

899
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: collectives are putting together pretty lucrative packages for some of

900
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: these recruits.

901
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: Like a down payment to my like to get the guy,

902
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: or do I sign a deal over the course of

903
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: his career?

904
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: How does that? You sign a deal over the It

905
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: sounded like essentially a deal. I just don't know how

906
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: long like that's going to last because you know, A

907
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: and M just dealt with this. You get this incredible

908
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: recruiting class. Guys are smoking weed in the locker room. Guys,

909
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: half that class is gone. That was my former SEC

910
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: story in twenty twenty two. Dude smoking a weed in

911
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: the locker room. I'm like, if I'm a Boos shirt,

912
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: I just wrote a check for one hundred k and

913
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: that's what I just paid for. Don't think that I'm

914
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: gonna write another check for one hundred k next year

915
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: I just did. That model is so unsustainable and not

916
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: what NIL was intended for. And at some point the

917
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: market's going to correct thisself a little bit. It's a

918
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: mess right now. So we'll see, but I will I

919
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: will say what like what you said, is it ain't

920
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: Everyone ain't getting paid, That's for sure. There's definitely a

921
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: we got our haves and we got to have nots.

922
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: There's like the NFL though, that's like the NFL marketing. Yeah,

923
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: that's true. You know, the big boys are getting paid.

924
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: You know, obviously you've got a salary cap, so it's

925
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: not that big of a deal. I mean, guys are

926
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: still getting paid. But you know, offensive linemen aren't getting

927
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: two million, three million dollars in marketing money. They're getting

928
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: their base salary, they're getting they're getting their matt in check.

929
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: And that's about it.

930
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: When you go to one of these spring games or

931
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: you call a game, the number one thing the assistant

932
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: coaches are complaining about is dealing with NIL and transfer guys.

933
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: Yep, not even closing second bad. Yeah, twenty four to

934
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: seven it's it's I hope the market correcks it stuff

935
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: a little bit and it goes to what it was

936
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: intended for, which was you ball out and taking waffle House.

937
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: Once give you a deal, then you get a deal

938
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: with waffle House or Nike or Gatorade. Not you know, hey,

939
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: we want to go incentivize this kid out of high

940
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: school who's never played college football to come to our university.

941
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: We're in offering thirteen million dollars. Like the whole Jada

942
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: or shot a thing like that's just stupid. That even good. Well,

943
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: I guess you'll find out being there and in Arizona,

944
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: you'll find out.

945
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: Well, like two years ago, I was living in the

946
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 2: Bay Area and he was right down the street, kind

947
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: of close to where Naji Harrison played high school football.

948
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: And he was kind of a late you know, naj

949
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: people knew about him when he was like ten. This

950
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: guy was kind of a late bloomer. And then it

951
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: just kind of took off like a wildfire. And then

952
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's being offered fifteen million dollars

953
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: from Florida collecting like that. No, this is not happening,

954
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: but that feels kind of like a seminal moment in

955
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: this whole thing where people are like this is or

956
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: is that too much?

957
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not. He's like that, he's not even I

958
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: don't know if he's somewhere on Like he was run

959
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: that ten number ten mark for quarterbacks. I mean, he

960
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: was going to get paid more than all these other

961
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that were, you know, projected a lot higher than him.

962
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: I just it made no sense. It got to be

963
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: some battle between leave them in Miami and just number

964
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: got being bid up and bid up and bid up,

965
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: and yes, and obviously got a little bit too control.

966
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: So I don't know. To me, I just I think,

967
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: like I said, at some point, boosters are going to

968
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: be like, no, Moss, like, we can't just keep funding

969
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: these kids.

970
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: What do you got on tap the rest of the

971
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: week of nine at augusta maybe later this week, or

972
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: what does a guy former quarterback in Georgia do?

973
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: I would love I would love that trying golf as

974
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: much as I can, you know, as long as the

975
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: white flets me. We got two kids now, which is

976
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: a little bit tough, and the daily showing snaps maybe

977
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: so if you need a good college football show, you know,

978
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: we got a brand new channel now, so make sure

979
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: you check it out on YouTube. YouTube dot com. Backslash

980
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: at volume snaps. It's myself and T Bop So we

981
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: have a lot of fun. You know, I kind of

982
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: chin up before this show right now and T Bob

983
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: is one of the best characters in all of college sports.

984
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: So we have a good time.

985
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you would not know. You just think he was

986
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: like a radio performer. He also played football at LSU.

987
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 2: You know, it's not like he said this ring's highest

988
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: ranked player on NCAA his senior year for LSU.

989
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: What was his number? I think you I mean spend

990
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: the nineties.

991
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: Someone in the nineties now, because you know you former

992
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: athletes complain NonStop the game may never come back. You know,

993
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: everyone's bitching that they're only doing five hundred dollars or

994
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 2: some my red I saw a headline because they're so stupid,

995
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: so stupid, like, who cares? There's seven million players? What

996
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: do you think every guy's going to get seven thousand dollars?

997
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: Take your money, be in the game and be happy.

998
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: It's just that's that's some agency.

999
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: I was trying to make a name for itself and

1000
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: put players together and tell them they're getting ripped off.

1001
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: Is it a great deal for you? Probably not. Who

1002
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: gives a crap. Just sign your name and you're going

1003
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: to be on the game. And guess what. Guess what, NTA,

1004
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: the game was great without you, and I guarantee they'll

1005
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: move forward without YouTube. People don't care. The number one

1006
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: mode in NCA is Dynasty Mode, which you're out of

1007
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: Dynasty Mode after two years anyways, so they'll be happy

1008
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: just to go on with the game even without you.

1009
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: So don't don't. Don't be an idiot.

1010
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: Well, Aaron, thanks for coming on, bro. Have a have

1011
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: a good rest of the summer. I know you guys,

1012
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: You guys in the South, you go to the shore,

1013
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: you go to here, and you know, weather's good down there.

1014
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: Your ocean is about you know, eighty degrees.

1015
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: This is in the Pacific Ocean.

1016
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: Out here.

1017
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: We got some sharks and alligators. You got a lot

1018
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: of critters down there. Yeah, well, have a good time. Well,

1019
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: appreciate you having me on today. Take it easy, man.

1020
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: The volume