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Speaker 1: First of all, Man, appreciate you coming on our show.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: We watched your career from start to finish.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you being on the show and rocking with us. Bro.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Definitely been following each other's careers pretty much.

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Speaker 3: When you first got to the league. Who was the

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Speaker 3: first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Man, I'm honestly now, y'all not gonna remember this though. Man,

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Speaker 4: we played y'all at the Pyramid.

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Speaker 1: Y'all all came down again the Pyramid Pyramid Bro League,

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Speaker 1: we did. We showed it.

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Speaker 4: You just say, yeah, y'all showed up. Y'all wasn't supposed

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Speaker 4: to play. It's me Gilbert and Troy. Y'all showed up.

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Speaker 4: Y'all two.

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Speaker 1: I think Corey played in it in ll O playing it.

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Speaker 4: All played in there, y'all was like like your whole team.

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Speaker 4: I think the only person that play was El and y'all. Man,

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Speaker 4: y'all whooped our ass.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: We damn I had to go back to the drawing

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Speaker 4: board r after that.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy you say that because Betty has just said

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Speaker 3: that I got all them on tape on VCR tape.

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Speaker 1: That's what's crazy. Go back and look at it, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Y'all put it to us many twenty a suther league.

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Speaker 3: They told us to just do, y'all, and it was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: so we can shoot all the rock.

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Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, boy.

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Speaker 3: We came out shooting everything, taking turns, drop drop Q

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Speaker 3: drop d Ali, oops, all sorts of shit.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, man, Yo, yo yo.

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Speaker 2: We live on location still down here in the n

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Speaker 2: I ya yo. But today we had to give with

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Speaker 2: one of the sag Nasty's finest y'all. We got sacking

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Speaker 2: Off Michigan in the house. We got a Mission State legend,

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Speaker 2: we got an NBA legend. We got one of the

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Speaker 2: best dunkers in the history of the game and one

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Speaker 2: of the baddest boys to get busy on.

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Speaker 1: The court, my brother j Rich. What happened? Presented by Sleeper.

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Speaker 3: Sagnal Michigan sag Nasty, Sir, right up Arthur Hill.

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Speaker 1: What made you go to Arthur Hill?

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Speaker 4: Well, that was the only two public schools and Ashley,

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Speaker 4: Saginaw had Sagonaw High which where Draymond went a little

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Speaker 4: younger than me though, but then you had Arthur Hill.

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Speaker 4: I started at a Catholic school didn't work out there,

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Speaker 4: and so I decided to go to Arthur Hill. They

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Speaker 4: had another guy there named DeAndre Hewlett, which was a

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Speaker 4: dog man. He was a beast and wanted to play

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Speaker 4: with him. Man, he wanted to play with one of

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Speaker 4: the best players in in the city. So that's why

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Speaker 4: I went to Arthur Hill. So why you didn't go

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Speaker 4: to the rival. I wasn't really that type of dude.

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Speaker 4: Man to go over there, Man, you have to pick

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Speaker 4: one or the other. And my uncle live y around

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Speaker 4: the corner from Arthur Hill, so I was already at

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Speaker 4: the Arthur Hill. And then like I said, DeAndre was there.

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Speaker 4: Sagma Howard had their thing going on.

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Speaker 1: So that's why you can't jump over the fence. Now,

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Speaker 1: jump over the fence. Man.

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Speaker 3: You average twenty five and thirteen. What was it your sophomore, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: junior year.

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Speaker 2: Junior seeing rebounds though, you know what I'm saying. That rebound, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was rebound rebound because I couldn't dribble or shoe

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Speaker 2: at the time. So I was, you know, and artur

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Speaker 2: here once DeAndre left. He was six seven, six eight, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was a center.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was.

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Speaker 4: Always out jumping everybody catching lobs, just doing whatever it

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Speaker 4: taste to win games. So that's why the rebounds was

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Speaker 4: up there. I was catching a lot of tip dunks.

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Speaker 4: When did you get your first dunk? Just I got

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Speaker 4: my first dunk in the eighth grade, man, going into

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Speaker 4: the eighth grade.

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Speaker 3: Was it in the game or or was it just

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Speaker 3: you know how we out there.

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Speaker 1: And we Yeah, it was just one of those things there.

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Speaker 4: I was out there at the parks, were just playing around,

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Speaker 4: went up there and when Dunky like, oh ship, let.

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Speaker 1: Me mask you this. Did you start off with tennis balls, volleyballs? Basketball? Basketball?

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Speaker 1: Real basketball?

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Speaker 3: I started off I was dunking them tennis ball. Then

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Speaker 3: I went and started dunking the volleyball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how time were you when you first done? I

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Speaker 4: was probably like sixth three.

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Speaker 1: Damn.

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Speaker 2: So on eighth grade you was sixth damn sixty. Him

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Speaker 2: and Corey was different, they were both that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: When did you know that you was one of the

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Speaker 3: best players, not only in Michigan but in the country.

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Speaker 4: Then when I went to ABCD camp my first time, Man,

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Speaker 4: I went there, they put me with a whole bunch

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Speaker 4: of guys that was kind of lower. I was on

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Speaker 4: into My junior year, went out there and I think

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Speaker 4: I was averaging like eighteen or nineteen, and then made

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Speaker 4: the All Star Game. But Michigan rules we couldn't play

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Speaker 4: in an All Star game. But it just kind of

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Speaker 4: put my name on the map, knowing that back then

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Speaker 4: had some of the craziest rules. We couldn't play eighty

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Speaker 4: miles outside of high school.

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Speaker 1: That was us.

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Speaker 4: We couldn't play outside state, so we couldn't play any

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Speaker 4: of the Chicago schools. Sometimes we couldn't eve play some

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Speaker 4: of the Mischian schools.

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Speaker 3: They were so far away from them.

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Speaker 4: Playing All Star games. And it couldn't play on national television.

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Speaker 4: I mean McDonald's All American my senior year, and I

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Speaker 4: couldn't play in the game because my high school team

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Speaker 4: was still in the state championship game. So I didn't

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Speaker 4: even get to play the McDonald's game. I went to

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Speaker 4: the game, sound the bench, all my gears had all

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Speaker 4: the experience and stuff like that. Man, But but you

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Speaker 4: couldn't play, couldn't play in the game. I would have

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Speaker 4: played in the game. I've been disqualified from my state tournament.

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Speaker 4: Come on, crazy, man, they just changed the rules, like

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Speaker 4: literally I think a year ago where now they could

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Speaker 4: play outside of the state because they've been they've been

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Speaker 4: losing a lot of kids to prep schools because of

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Speaker 1: They in the same Louis East St.

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Speaker 3: Louis, Like Illinois, we couldn't go one hundred miles outside

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Speaker 3: the state to play, so we couldn't they couldn't go

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Speaker 3: all the way across the country and compete for a

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Speaker 3: national championship national champion teams because we couldn't go to

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Speaker 4: But when you're restricting guys, especially now that the way

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Speaker 4: you know high school kids are getting recruited and the

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Speaker 4: way they're playing, you almost hinder them in a sense

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Speaker 4: when you have these types of rules, like.

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Speaker 2: They cheated you at McDonald's, Like that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: How many other before, Like you can crazy practice none

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Speaker 4: of them contest, couldn't do any of that.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. He's a dude that wouldn't want to done that.

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Speaker 3: In the premium events that you show your challenge list,

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Speaker 3: you can at the time.

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Speaker 1: You could have went straight out of high school. You

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Speaker 3: Anything depending on your McDonald's game, Like I knew that

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Speaker 3: going into my McDonald's game like, yeah, this is it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like I gotta show it all right, right, and they

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Speaker 3: take that experience from you.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy to hear. That's the first time we heard. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I did not know that. And so over the year

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Speaker 4: they had lost a lot of guys. I mean you

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Speaker 4: can even go down the Flint guys like Mile Bridges.

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Speaker 4: He transferring with the Hunting Prep because of these rules.

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Speaker 4: I had a nephew that he was top fifteen ended

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Speaker 4: up going to a lot of mirror. So a lot

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Speaker 4: of kids started leaving the state of Michigan because of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's man, Listen, I would too if I know

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Speaker 2: I'm about to lose out on everything there.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tell us about the rival in high school and

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Speaker 3: how intensive it was for you to play in that rival.

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Speaker 4: The ribery between Arthur Hills Second or High Man is uh,

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Speaker 4: it's something that you just came to explain it to

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Speaker 4: you experience unless you was there. Unfortunately, that rby comes

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Speaker 4: to an end after this year at the one hundred

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Speaker 4: and five years the school's been playing against each other

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Speaker 4: because the schools are actually combining. Next year they actually

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Speaker 4: combined to gona be gonna be a powerhouse. But you

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Speaker 4: know back then, you know, I think my senior year

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Speaker 4: it was crazy. I was talking to somebody I had

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Speaker 4: just got inducted into the Sagna County Hall of Fame

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Speaker 4: for Michigan. You got to be so many years removed

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Speaker 4: from playing sports. But my senior year, we had I

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Speaker 4: think it was twelve d one players on the court

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Speaker 4: between the two schools. You had two NBA players, three

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Speaker 4: NFL players all on that court my senior year.

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Speaker 1: Who those guys? So?

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Speaker 4: The pros was myself, Anthony Robson. The NFL players was

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Speaker 4: Lamar Woodley. Charles Rogers, who was the number two player

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Speaker 4: in the draft in two thousand and three, just passed

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Speaker 4: a few years ago. Guy, And man, who I'm missing?

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Speaker 4: I think Ron Stanley, who had I think he played?

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Speaker 4: He played that year. He was in Uh he played

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Speaker 4: for the Jets for a few years.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. Tell us about the lu in the everybody.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, tell us how the crowd because I did

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Speaker 3: it with a rival school, but we merged my sophomore year.

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Speaker 3: After my sophomore year, so tell us how the rival

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Speaker 3: was and how hype it was. How everybody in the

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Speaker 3: city is coming into this gym, and you get Aliu,

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Speaker 3: a famous Allyu at that So.

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Speaker 4: The game was so big because we had so many

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Speaker 4: players like that wet d one players, like I said,

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Speaker 4: some pro players. So they didn't have it at the

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Speaker 4: high school. They move it to our Civic center. So

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Speaker 4: the civic Center the high school only hold like two thousand.

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Speaker 4: Civic Center hold like eight and it sold out. They

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Speaker 4: were scaffolding tickets and everything. So it's a big game,

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Speaker 4: all these top players. I get McDonald's nomination that day,

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Speaker 4: so it was a big thing in the city. And

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Speaker 4: so the game was going on as he is, rivalry

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Speaker 4: going back and forth, and I'm running down court and

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Speaker 4: I got this lane and I'm pointing up my head

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Speaker 4: and my hand up and my teammate point guard, he

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Speaker 4: just threw it three quarter court, just threw it in there,

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Speaker 4: and the coach you can see them side like no,

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Speaker 4: I mean, the game is close, and I catched that

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Speaker 4: mugg and just oooh. I rocked it down and they

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Speaker 4: had to stop the game because people was coming on

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Speaker 4: the court like it was Ruckers bro. And so they

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Speaker 4: keep on talking about this dunk, and it's been going

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Speaker 4: on for years, but it's just one of those things

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Speaker 4: that you always remember from the rivary of the two

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Speaker 4: schools that you know, half court court in front of

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Speaker 4: eight thousand people.

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Speaker 3: Almost how was it to win mister Michigan, Like you know,

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Speaker 3: you ain't never won, and you know, how was it

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Speaker 3: for you to win mister Michigan for your state?

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Speaker 4: It was dope, man, because we had a guy named

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Speaker 4: Lavelle Blanchard that was kind of the number one player

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Speaker 4: all through SIS, like seventh eighth grade, and I just

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Speaker 4: kept on getting better every year, better every year. And

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you the missing piece. It's coming back. Man.

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Speaker 3: How was the steps, the games, the mental areing us,

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Speaker 1: How was all that crazy? Man?

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Speaker 4: The first the first round was pretty much easy. We

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Speaker 1: We better get by them. Were lucky two threes.

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Speaker 1: That year those couple of years in college. And then

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Speaker 1: Like you're a freshman, you know what I'm saying, and

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Speaker 2: Like from that part to like, man, getting back to

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Speaker 1: Like you a freshman just was shooting high school. Who

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Speaker 4: You know, you first you win none and and you're

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Speaker 4: Who know, you win in the championship and then you

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the football helmet and past trackers. What

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Speaker 4: And then he was so yeah, so Michigan State, Bro,

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Speaker 1: And so that year we led a nation.

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Speaker 1: You wait to practice.

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Speaker 4: Were like, god damn, we go to practice, bro, And

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Speaker 4: So we got this drill in Michigan State called a

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Speaker 4: We did that drill for about an hour with shoulder

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Speaker 1: Man, Oh man, I wish I was being able to

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Speaker 1: The next year, get some boards.

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Speaker 3: How did you look forward to after y'all won a

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Speaker 1: You have to experience.

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Speaker 3: You have to experience that none of the rest of

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Speaker 4: I was really motivated, man, you know, coming back knowing

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Speaker 4: came from.

440
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 1: How was it? Uh, this my guy, man, I love

441
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:20,480
Speaker 1: him to death.

442
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 3: With my brother, How was it when y'all got z

443
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,400
Speaker 3: Bo on the team Man and him and is Old.

444
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,119
Speaker 4: Man z bow Man telling you when z Bo got there, Man,

445
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 4: we instantly clicked.

446
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,440
Speaker 1: Man. We was like every day we was hanging out,

447
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 1: we was together.

448
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 4: And with you know, Beingzo being so fired up and

449
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 4: z Bo so lax and chill, Man, it actually brought

450
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 4: is old temperament down a little bit because z Bo

451
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 4: just always was cracking jokes without even trying to. Just

452
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 4: z Bo was just naturally funny for no you know,

453
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 4: he would just say something you just dying laugh and

454
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 4: it's like he looking at you, like what you talking

455
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 4: about it? But that was just z Bo Man, And

456
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 4: you know, he just he just brought the morale and

457
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 4: the team up because of who he was, man, and

458
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,640
Speaker 4: just the type of player he was too.

459
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 1: What made you make the decision to come out after

460
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: your sophomore year.

461
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 4: Man, This story right here, I want to tell is

462
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why I have a close relationship

463
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 4: with Iszo. So after you know, having a successful year,

464
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 4: you know, I was second team All American all this stuff,

465
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 4: I go into his own office and I'm like, hey, coach,

466
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 4: I'm getting a lot of agents, call my parents, my mom,

467
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 4: my uncle.

468
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: Uh.

469
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 4: They taught him, I'm the NBA player, you know. He's like, Jason,

470
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 4: let's let's let's let me figure it out. I had

471
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 4: some connection with some gms. I'm gonna call some people

472
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 4: and we'll talk next week. He called me back two

473
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 4: days later, he said, man, come meet met my office.

474
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 4: So going on, coach, what you're hearing? He said, Man,

475
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 4: everything I'm hearing you a top five pick. You can't

476
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 4: stay here. And I'm like, I'm looking like I'm shocked

477
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 4: because I'm like, I'm really torn between leaving and staying.

478
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 4: You know, we have Calvin Tober coming next year, Alan

479
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 4: Anderson coming next year. We're gonna have a good team.

480
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 4: The next year, z Bow was on the line. I

481
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 4: knew z Bo's kind of go leave, but he was

482
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 4: on the line. But for me, it was like my

483
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 4: mom wasn't really sure because she always you know, was

484
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 4: her first kid to go to school. She wanted you know,

485
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 4: Roses Senior night all and stuff like that. But when

486
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 4: that came back from Iszoe and I went back and

487
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 4: talked to my mom and like it's my time now.

488
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 4: Top five pick. Can't get any better than that. That's

489
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 4: why I respect Izo for that, because most coaches were like, hey, man,

490
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 4: we got a good team.

491
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: We can do it again. It won't hurt the stay one.

492
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 4: He was like, you gotta go. It's nothing else I

493
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 4: could do for you here. That's why I respect that

494
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 4: man to this day.

495
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 3: How many workouts you have, Man's Golden State, Memphis, Atlanta,

496
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 3: New Jersey?

497
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: I think that was that was it? Four workouts? Yeah, y'all.

498
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: I was in the same boat. I was, you know,

499
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 1: eating dinners and I ain't like real you know what

500
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

501
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: I had like sixteen workouts, flying all around the cut

502
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 2: people trying to get me two three times.

503
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: Show up the day before the draft. Talk, that's what

504
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: you think he was going? What did you think he

505
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: was going?

506
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 4: Honestly, I thought I was going to Memphis, but at

507
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 4: the time it was transition from Vancouver to Memphis. I

508
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 4: really wanted to go to New Jersey. I think they

509
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 4: had like the seventh or eighth pick. Memphis had a

510
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 4: sixth pick. You want to go to Jersey because j

511
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 4: Kid was there, Keny was there. They needed a two guards.

512
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 4: They had carried kittles.

513
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 2: I look.

514
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 1: Up the gym, that's the one for me. Him and Man.

515
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 4: What Man I'm telling I'm telling Byron Scott like in

516
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 4: the meeting like hey man, hey, I'm going to come here,

517
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 4: what y'all do this? And that I knew Memphis wanted me,

518
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 4: Memphis telling throwing salt, talking about he wasn't that good.

519
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 4: And they worked out from Memphis like almost three times,

520
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 4: I think, and they tell everybody this and that, and

521
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 4: then Draft day.

522
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: I had no idea Golden State was going to pick me.

523
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: It was just out the blue. I was shocked. I

524
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: was like, you didn't work out for him?

525
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 4: And I worked out for him, but I thought it

526
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 4: was like okay, whatever. I was going to Memphis and

527
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 4: it was like, no, come on on here. I was

528
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 4: like cool, went to the draft. Yeah, so take me

529
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 4: back to that, man, because that's what you know, we

530
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 4: all grew up watching. We got our family, They're like,

531
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 4: take me to one they called your name, especially being

532
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 4: surprised not knowing this about the States, Like just take

533
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 4: me to how you felt like sharing that with your mom,

534
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, and your family like that.

535
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

536
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 4: So you know, going in into the draft, I had

537
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 4: you know, I actually worked about five teams. I had

538
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 4: to work out with Atlanta. I had a really good

539
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 4: work out with Atlanta, but they made the trade against

540
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 4: Sharif and they switched their picks. And that's how Memphits

541
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 4: is of getting Paul saw at three right, and so

542
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 4: I go.

543
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: So we go to the draft. I knew it wasn't

544
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: gonna be Atlanta. Chicago have fourth.

545
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 4: They was doing Tyson and Eddie, so the two high

546
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 4: school kids and then so gon stay come up. So

547
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 4: I knew I was anywhere from five to eight or

548
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 4: nine whatever it was. And so I'm sitting there. I

549
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 4: got my daughter and my uncle sending my mom right there.

550
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 4: Coach Iso is there and my stepfather there, and I

551
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 4: see in Krista Chan she's whispering to somebody else like

552
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 4: he's over there. And they literally out surprised, and so

553
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 4: I'm literally my earlier rate. I'm ununcon yo, I'm going

554
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 4: to go and state. He looked like, what you talking?

555
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 4: I said, man, I'm going to go with the fifth pig,

556
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: go States select Jason Richards and they just it's a

557
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 4: big bear hug because we be surprised. Like I'm really

558
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 4: surprised I got picked by Golden Stafs. Bear hugged my

559
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 4: uncle Bear hugged my mom my daughter crying because she's like,

560
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 4: what's going on? She going crazy? He's like two years old.

561
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 4: But it's the greatest feeling you go across that stage. Man,

562
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 4: that's when you realize you achieved your goal when you say,

563
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 4: you know, commissioner him was David Stern at the time.

564
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: Now you're in Golden State, that's your rookie year, whole

565
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: another level up. And how did you feel like you

566
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 3: did your first year in Ghost I.

567
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: Think I did really well, man, you know coming there,

568
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, I was young.

569
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 4: I think I got thrown into the starting position after

570
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 4: like the third or fourth game of the year. They're

571
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 4: losing franchise, they're trying to come up. Then Troy started

572
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 4: and then towards the end Gilbert started. So I think

573
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 4: we started creating something that was going to be special.

574
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 4: Especially you know who is that in front of get Mookie, Mookie?

575
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 4: It was actually Bobby Sarah, Bobby Service in front of Yeah,

576
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 4: Mookie actually got kicked out of practice and never came back.

577
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 4: We ain't saying Mookie no more, man like the second practice, but.

578
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: I remember give but walking up to we got fucking

579
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: Mookie blade.

580
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 4: That's not like gil that's sound like Gil Man. You

581
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 4: remember your first All Star Weekend? Yeah, yeah, buddy, do

582
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 4: you remember that?

583
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: Right?

584
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: We played them in the rookie Sophomore game. He got

585
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: m v P, but he wasn't supposed to because they

586
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: started double team in the second half on the.

587
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: First played too cool and that's what happened. They said

588
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: they got serious turned man was.

589
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 2: Double team that they like, we'll talk about that week

590
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: because you want Dunk contest, you want MVP of the game,

591
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 2: Just talk about how you went into the second half

592
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: of this and like just that all started experience because again,

593
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 2: that's just like the Dread that's son that we watched

594
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 2: forever growing up, and that's something that we was all

595
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: dumb excited to be a part of. So talk about

596
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: you your experience there and you know, walking away with

597
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: some trophies too.

598
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

599
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 4: So for me, All Start weekend was like everything, bro.

600
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 4: I mean, since I was a kid, I wanted to

601
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: be in the dunk contest.

602
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in the NBA. I ain't know,

603
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: you have to be there contest. So I've been practicing

604
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: dunk contests since I was five six years old. A

605
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: hangar on the.

606
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 4: Side of the real with the socks, I've been Dominique wooking.

607
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 4: So once the dunk contest happened, that was easy for me.

608
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: They asked me being and I said, no, getting in

609
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: with them. And then after you did all that, I

610
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: was like, that was a crazy So that was easy, man.

611
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 4: You know, winning the dunk contest, going out there and

612
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 4: you know, having a big game and the Rookie Challenge,

613
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 4: getting the trophy for that, and so when you have

614
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 4: like that type of experience the all start weekend man,

615
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 4: the rest of the season of Breeze bro it just

616
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 4: it's easy. Now you're just cruising, You're just going out

617
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 4: there hooping out. And that's how it felt that whole

618
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 4: second half of the year, coming off.

619
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 3: Vince Carter doing what he did two years ago in

620
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: the All Star Game, and you coming into the new

621
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 3: era by going between your legs whole another way, How

622
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 3: was that for you to bring a whole nother dunk

623
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 3: to the game that haven't been done.

624
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 4: It was actually it was Gilbert ideal. Actually, my last

625
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 4: two dunks my dunk contest is from Gilbert. Yeah, he

626
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 4: was telling me, gil Boy always had these crazy ideas.

627
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 4: I always got something going on. He's like, once you

628
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: do this, I'm like, Gil, I can't do that. So

629
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 4: the first dunk contest, I kind of practiced that dunk.

630
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: I could do that. That was easy.

631
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 4: But between the legs from behind on the side, that

632
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 4: was the first time I made that dunk. I tried

633
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: it two times. I said, well, once I get in

634
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: the dunk contest, drilling go be easy. And so I

635
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 4: did that dunk. I think that was the only time

636
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 4: I ever did that dunk. I couldn't do it again.

637
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: That was dope.

638
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: Hey tell me about this because I know Gila Food.

639
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: How much did gil remind you in Golden State? Did

640
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: him and RJ put you and Zebo out in the tournament?

641
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: All the time?

642
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: Final? You know Gilbert, he always got some type of

643
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: skin going on. We just watched, y'all. All we gonna

644
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: do is overplay.

645
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 4: He had about nine steals that game because he overplayed

646
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 4: every place because we were so this is what we

647
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: go run. Textbook man, he had about nine steals, about

648
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 4: twenty something points and he brings it up every chance.

649
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 4: He got that whole the first year. You know, we whooped, y'all. God,

650
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 4: I gotta ring what you got. You gotta whooped next round.

651
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: Speaking of Gills, another to ask, but speaking of the gilt,

652
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 3: tell us about how you've seen he went from not

653
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: playing to get him playing time and doing very well,

654
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: because you know, when you're getting this your second round pick,

655
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: you can get that money right right away, like call

656
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 3: those boozz and you got to wait for you. But

657
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: to see him insta to go to Washington and turn

658
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: into Hibachi agent.

659
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: Zero, Like how was that for you? To just see

660
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: how he elevated to an All star?

661
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: You know what's crazy If you go look at Dame Lillard,

662
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 4: Trey Luca, I'm trying to think who else.

663
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: Is like that? That was Gilbert Arenas. They didn't know

664
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: what he was.

665
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 4: He wasn't a point guard, but he was too small

666
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 4: to be a shooting gud because shooting guards back in

667
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 4: the day was out side.

668
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: He pushed up.

669
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 4: He wasn't that. So he was Gilbert is what the

670
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 4: point guard is today. And just imagine what he was

671
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 4: going back then. Just imagine if he was in this era.

672
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 4: So for him, shoot good man, the dude. The one

673
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 4: thing Gilbert don't get enough credit for was how hard

674
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 4: he worked. He worked his ass off, He worked his ass.

675
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: He stayed in the gym. This dude was constantly in

676
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 4: the gym, like all the time when he wasn't playing.

677
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: And that was my guy.

678
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 4: So I'm in the office every day like, yo, y'all

679
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 4: gotta play him for the whole season. I'm telling the gym,

680
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 4: y'all got to play them, y'all gotta play him. They

681
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 4: finally let him play and he just takes off. But

682
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 4: they just for the first three months of his career,

683
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 4: nobody knew what he was because point guards back in

684
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 4: the day was the ones that set them up.

685
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: Maybe once in a while she was a jumper, but

686
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: he was more than that.

687
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: The hardest thing for NBA change is go from a

688
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: not winning to kind of building out their draft picks,

689
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: building out the players that they're gonna keep, and kind

690
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: of building a good team. You see the progression and

691
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: how you was playing, like he was getting better, You

692
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: was coming to better score. Then you get Don Nelson,

693
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: you know, one of the most historic coaches. I love

694
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: his philosophy because this philosophy is run up and down

695
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: and let's get going. You start seeing it change, y'all

696
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: start adding BD and Mante and stack Jack and all

697
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: these guys, tell us the transition of how when it

698
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: was like you and Gilbert y'all was playing together, and

699
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: it was the start of it till the point where

700
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: it started changing for the franchise.

701
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 4: I always felt like, you know, in Golden State, we

702
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 4: just got a team. The fans go crazy. They always

703
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 4: showed up, you know, especially when Gill started playing more.

704
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 4: You know, he was just doing his thing, and then

705
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 4: of course he did what he did and got to

706
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 4: watch and made his money. Then I'm back to square one.

707
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 4: You know, they drafting guys at my position, but I'm

708
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: showing up every year, getting better, getting better.

709
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: Then once Don came. That was my fifth coach in

710
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: six years there.

711
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 4: So Don came, we ended up trading for BD, end

712
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 4: up trading for stat jack Al Harrington. Monte was coming

713
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 4: to his own. We drafted him in the second round.

714
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 4: And it's just opened up my game transition. Throw the

715
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 4: ball all, let's run, and that just made it easier

716
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 4: for me. And you get to see the transitioning of

717
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: for being a losing franchise and having that losing mentality.

718
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: To hey, let's start winning some games.

719
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 4: I started, I start doing this, starts started changing our

720
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: attitude let's start getting guys up in here that had

721
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: the same COmON goal. So it was an easy transition

722
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: for me because I always wanted to win, you know,

723
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 4: coming from a winning program in college. I didn't want

724
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: to stay down there and kept on and stuff like that.

725
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 4: So it was easier to just go in and just like, hey,

726
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 4: I know who beat he is.

727
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: He be the man.

728
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: How different was that for y'all because everybody talks about

729
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: his unorthodoxed way and how he does seems a little different,

730
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: but obviously it works and he was one of the

731
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: all time winning his coaches ever, But talk about how

732
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: you guys viewing from y'all perspective.

733
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 4: When you say, like a player's coach, that's what Don is.

734
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 4: Man Like, We'll come to practice and he could see

735
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 4: things that are getting stagnant. He'd be like, bigs versus

736
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: small and you literally playing against your bigs versus your guards,

737
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 4: and so it's funny your bigs is trying to play

738
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 4: point guard. And it made practice fun. He was so innovative,

739
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 4: doing different things differently. I mean it was times where

740
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 4: he knew we needed a day off, so he'll come

741
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 4: to practice, like, hey, y'all, run practice and he have

742
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 4: a cigar, two beers in his hand, his dog, going

743
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: to watch a baseball.

744
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: Game and we'll leave practice. That's and we running practice,

745
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: and we hold each other accountable.

746
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 4: Man. And that was the coolest thing about it, Like

747
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: he got on you. But he also knew when guys

748
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 4: needed an will break, and that was that's you know

749
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 4: how long the seasons are, man, You just need those

750
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 4: days sometimes just to have a fun practice.

751
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about he don't get a

752
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: lot of credit. Mante eells like how straight out of

753
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: high school, straight from Mississippi country boy, but just how

754
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: good he is, and you know he's a guard coming

755
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: straight out of high school, and how fast and how

756
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 3: high he can jump out he can score that basket.

757
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: Tell us about mante.

758
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: It was the same thing with mante He was just

759
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 4: you know, he was a little undersize, coming in still

760
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 4: the era of two guards like us. But he was

761
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 4: always a worker. He always worked and I used to

762
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 4: tell him, like, man, stay with you know your game, yeah,

763
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 4: get us to these threes.

764
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: Hit that mid range. He was a killer at the

765
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: mid range.

766
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 4: And you could see like he was going to be

767
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: really special in our league because his speed, his quickness,

768
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 4: athleticsm he just couldn't stop it.

769
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: And so for him, he just worked and worked and working.

770
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: Then he got his chance and he just took off

771
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: with it.

772
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: I want to talk about that we believe team and

773
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: that going into that series against the MAVs, like because

774
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: I can remember, like at that time, my coach was

775
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: Marca Guire. He's my assistant coasin. Now he know Don Nelson,

776
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: he played for him forever, he had a relationship with him.

777
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: I remember him saying that he had spoken to him

778
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: and like this before y'all see series even started. But

779
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: like I can remember back when it got the game,

780
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: when y'all about to win, he was like he got

781
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: these motherfuckers, like he's Don said he was gonna get him,

782
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: and he said he got these Like just talk about

783
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: like you know, y'all mindset as a team and what

784
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: Nelly's game plan was, because that was really the reason

785
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: that y'all was able to take him out, was the

786
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: scheme that he put in and the way he had

787
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: y'all attacked him.

788
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: Talk about how y'all mentality was going into that.

789
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: Well, before even do we Believe team became we always

790
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 4: played Dallas really close either almost beat him or close

791
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 4: to beating them before Baron Stack all them guys came.

792
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 4: Once they came and Nelly came, we knew we had

793
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 4: a key because Nelly literally he taught Dirk everything, you know,

794
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 4: he gave Dirk his moves. So our game plan was

795
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 4: gonna put somebody smaller on them, which is Stephen Jackson,

796
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: get up in him, make him go right, and once

797
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 4: he spend it, better be somebody there to take the

798
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 4: ball from him. And if you go back and watch

799
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 4: those games, he could not do that movie because he

800
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 4: was normally going right and he was spinning back.

801
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: Every time he got there. It was a steal every time.

802
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 4: And if we knew all their places because it was

803
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 4: the same set down was running because every took the

804
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 4: sets from Don and so for us it was a

805
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 4: cheeko to the test. And so on top of that,

806
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 4: we just we were dogs. We go talk ship, we

807
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 4: go out there and play hard, and we go just

808
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 4: it was banging on dudes, you know, sat Jack and

809
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 4: Barren how they get down.

810
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: So it was easy for us to go out there

811
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: and just you know, just be us.

812
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: Tell us how the fans was the movement that we

813
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 3: believed like, how hype it was, how.

814
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 4: The city was, they got they got the greatest fans

815
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 4: on Earth, Man, and we knew that fans gonna be

816
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 4: excited because at the time we were we haven't been

817
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 4: to the playoffs for thirteen or fourteen years or something

818
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,959
Speaker 4: like to say, he was hungry man, and we start

819
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 4: making that push to making it to the playoffs. And

820
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 4: then once that playoffs came, the city just took fire.

821
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 4: Even on the way games we could just it was crazy.

822
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 4: And then that first home game, I had never seen

823
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 4: anything like that.

824
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: Bro.

825
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 4: It's like two hours for the game, the arena sold

826
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 4: out on everybody on their feet already. I'm coming out

827
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 4: to warm up and the stadium is like somebody just

828
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 4: dunk or something like yo. I'm like, man, I hope

829
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 4: the first shot take it is not an airball, bro.

830
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 4: That's how crazy the energy was in that arena.

831
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: How was it to get traded for the first time?

832
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 4: That's the worst feeling ever, Broke, I'm telling you, Bro,

833
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 4: that's when you know it's a business. And so for me,

834
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 4: I knew I was going to be traded because my

835
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 4: table was coming into his own. It was like little

836
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: brother and me.

837
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: Cool.

838
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 4: I was a big paycheck. He was a small paycheck,

839
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 4: and he was about to be a really good player.

840
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 4: But I wanted to make sure that we make a

841
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 4: trade that helped me out there. Don't put me back

842
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 4: in a situation where I just came out of, where

843
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: we build something up.

844
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: Now we're starting back over and well, yeah, don't get

845
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: a phone call.

846
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 4: Nobody's talking to you, and you're seeing it on the

847
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 4: ticker like everybody else, like I don't need no respect

848
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: that all bro Stadium, And so it hurts. It hurts you, Bro,

849
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: It really do hurt you. But then you realize it's

850
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: a business man and then you just go and you

851
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 4: keep on. You're still getting your checks, You're still playing

852
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 4: the NBA.

853
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: Do you remember where you were where you like, you

854
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, You chilling at the crib? Were

855
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 2: you out somewhere with people?

856
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 4: When I was out at dinner, bro and my agent

857
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 4: calling me, like, yo, they're not answered the call, but

858
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 4: what you mean they answered the call?

859
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: They said, we go orchestrate trade and put me in

860
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: a good situation. And then you just see the ticker

861
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: bodcast like bodcast, bro what they over all the way

862
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: over Broders all the way.

863
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 4: Over, man, and you out the dinner. You was like

864
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 4: check please, I'm shots please. Was Mike with the bodcast?

865
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 4: Michael was the podcast. He was just told your.

866
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: First what was your first introduction on your first walk

867
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: in with Mike?

868
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 4: It was a phone call. I was actually at the

869
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 4: airport on my way down to Charlotte. He called me

870
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, I'm heating. I'm still mad.

871
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: Mike. Man. I'm telling him to winning this person, you

872
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: know the greatest. Hey man, I'm a winner. Bro. He's like,

873
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: mother fuck what you think I am? But you know,

874
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: just coming off of just.

875
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 4: All those years of losing and go say you finally

876
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 4: get it there and now you're starting back over and

877
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 4: he's like, man, this come in. We're gonna work hard.

878
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: We're gonna figure this out. I'm not a loser. We're

879
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 4: gonna figure this out. How was it, I remember this

880
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 4: ship when you got to Charlotte. How was it for

881
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 4: you to get there and lead the league in three

882
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 4: point field goals.

883
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: Made that year? Man? It was known as a known

884
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: athlete and all of that stuff.

885
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 4: That was a huge accomplishment man, because like I said,

886
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 4: I didn't play guard until I got to Michigan State.

887
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 4: I was always palled for it center because I could jump,

888
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 4: But I just kept on working on my shooting.

889
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: Was that Michigan State.

890
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: Going into my sophomore year to get better, I knew

891
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 4: I had to learn how to shoot, and so I

892
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 4: was putting up a thousand shots today, one thousand shots today,

893
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 4: and then once I got to the league, it went

894
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 4: from one thousand shots today to a thousand make a day.

895
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 4: So I just kept on working on my shooting. And

896
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 4: then you know, to go to Charlotte and lead at

897
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 4: the NBA in three points made that season.

898
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: Man, that was a huge accomplishment for me.

899
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: Tell us about the game you had thirty four against Boston,

900
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 3: the Big Three, and you know when you were losing team,

901
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: because like we won eighteen out of eighty two with

902
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: Cleveland and we beat the Lakers.

903
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: Go in Cleveland, like championship, Just get one of them games.

904
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: It's just the championship. But how was that game? I

905
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: remember that game being a hype game.

906
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 4: Well, you know what, man, that was a game I

907
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: knew I had to make up to my teammates. We

908
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 4: had just played Boston a month before, and I turned

909
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 4: the ball over at the end Ray got the ball

910
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 4: hit a three to win the game.

911
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: I remember that. I'm like, I told my teammates, man,

912
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: like I owe you all this. That one was on me.

913
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: I got the Boston. I went to work on them. Man.

914
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 4: You know when you play against those guys like that man,

915
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 4: the Big Three, you know, winning the championship, you get

916
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 4: up for those games. And I knew I owe one

917
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 4: to my teammates because we should have beat them in Charlotte.

918
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 4: So I just went out and went to work on them.

919
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: Man, another trade. Come, you go to Phoenix, you get

920
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: traded too. That makes you feel better and the man, finally,

921
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, finally I'm going to Phoenix.

922
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 4: Shock out there and Steve out there, Grant Hill like

923
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to a winning team final.

924
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: How was your experience playing with Steve amazing? Man, Please

925
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: talk about it man.

926
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 4: You know what the first a couple of days playing

927
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 4: with Steve man I was I was getting turnovers because

928
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 4: you literally just throw the ball this way, this way,

929
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 4: and I'm bobbling it. So I'm like, man, I gotta

930
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 4: run through the lane, you know, and not having used

931
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 4: to a point guard that is always passion. So I realized,

932
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 4: like every time. I just always look for the ball

933
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 4: because he he is going to get to you. If

934
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 4: you open, it's going to get to you.

935
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 2: One of my favorite little setups that Steve used to

936
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: do is like you know, he always on the fly,

937
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: always whipping, and you you just we always on the

938
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: wings and shit, Steve, you come full speed ahead that

939
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: you hand that bitch to your screen, your man and

940
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: you bucking.

941
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: The way he would do it.

942
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: He would do it in the way that where you

943
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 2: got all the space and everything and the man gonna

944
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: have to knock his ass over. Like he even got

945
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: a couple offensive files. He ain't there because the people

946
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: would be. They started to know that he would do that.

947
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: Bro. First couple of times he did that, I was like, damn.

948
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, he'd come full speed ahead and you kind

949
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: of like, hold up, did he hand it went step there?

950
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: You're like, dangn okay, start hitting that bit. He said,

951
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: it's the layup. I said, Yo, this boy Stevie, he

952
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: was sick with it.

953
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,479
Speaker 3: He was how was a shock personality on on the saying,

954
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: because you know, Shack is just the big.

955
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: Cactus and one of the funniest dudes I know.

956
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: Man, how did he take care of you because we

957
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 3: was clippers and he always looked after us. But how

958
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 3: did he just look out and always was like a

959
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: big brother.

960
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 4: He just always talked to you about different things. Man,

961
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 4: always encourage you. That was the craziest thing about I

962
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 4: didn't know about Shaq. He was like an encouraging person.

963
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: Man.

964
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 4: He was telling you, like, hey man, you open shoot

965
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 4: the ball, bro, but lead the rebounds. For me, he

966
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 4: get three rebounds. But he was always just you know,

967
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 4: telling you to do certain things.

968
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: Man.

969
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 4: For me, I always wanted to know what Kobe was doing. Yeah,

970
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 4: and I always used to pick his brain, even though

971
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 4: they kind of had their little thing. He tell me,

972
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 4: hey man, he was doing a B and C. Really,

973
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 4: I don't know if I could do that, getting up

974
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 4: at four in the morning working all this stuff. But

975
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 4: it was crazy just learning all the things I learned

976
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 4: from him on you know what it takes to be

977
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 4: a winner.

978
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: I know Q can say this because he lived in Phoenix,

979
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 3: But I spent a year and a half in Finish,

980
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 3: going from Golden State going to Charlotte.

981
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: How was the living in Finnish and place? It was

982
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: night and day.

983
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 4: Bro one of the best stops but one of the

984
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 4: best cities man. Just you know, the sun all the

985
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 4: time is warm, and.

986
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: We're from the Midwest.

987
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: So when driving home from practicing, you looking at cows and.

988
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: Like this was felt like I'm on vacation, you know

989
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

990
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 2: Plus that first month, I was staying at the damn whatever,

991
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: the Paradise Valley, like the Four Sages or whatever. I

992
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: got my cris so it was like golf courses. Everything

993
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: is a resort over here. So I felt like I

994
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: was real on vacation for like the whole first six months.

995
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: Then when it got like they started talking about this cold,

996
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: I was looking around like.

997
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: Short time out here, like what you mean? I was like, yo,

998
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: this is this is nice. Now you get traded to Orlando.

999
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: I was Orlando. He came on over here with you.

1000
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: We was over there way yeah, and he came back

1001
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: with he tho.

1002
00:44:54,760 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 4: He the funniest maids MANRK don't care Broup with Turk.

1003
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: That was.

1004
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: Because they got rid of Vince. Vince was in that trade.

1005
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: We lost Vince, but then them to hurt and him.

1006
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: Get there that sir.

1007
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 4: Still, I was Stan van Gundy. I think stan was

1008
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 4: great man. Stant was one of my favorite coaches. Man

1009
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 4: stand knew what he was doing. Man, but from practices, boy,

1010
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 4: the knee pans.

1011
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: Brought the knee pass with him. He had him too,

1012
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: like he adopted that. But you know, stayd with like

1013
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: stand with Swat.

1014
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 2: He saw that was like, I ain't trying to lose

1015
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: dudes and games bumping these either he had the same

1016
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: ship whether you wear him or now you got to

1017
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: in these practices, everybody come in and shoot around.

1018
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: Knee passed.

1019
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: Up.

1020
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: We're about to go live Like that's when that's when

1021
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: you know it's the bullship.

1022
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: They when he when you come in to shoot around

1023
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 2: and them knee passed and that, and he say knee

1024
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: passed up. Motherfuckers to lead him down like we chilling

1025
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: and then like to a certain point like you you're

1026
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: trying and trick him like all right, we're gonna leave

1027
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: these ships now everybody I'm down, So he don't make

1028
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 2: it go.

1029
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: Then he'd be like at a certain point he like

1030
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: up like pat that used to be the words, bro,

1031
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: when they get doing that ship, who did you come

1032
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: up with? Like watching who was your guys that you

1033
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I want to be like that. That's

1034
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: why I want to.

1035
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 2: Like that.

1036
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: It was crazy. That's what I wanted to ask you about.

1037
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: Tell me about that one the one dunk contest, bro,

1038
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: where y'all was spinning the wheel and had to do

1039
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 2: all that foolishing, because this was one thing I always

1040
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: remember about that dunk contest. Every time he came up,

1041
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: I was like, Bro, if he spending one legged dunk,

1042
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: he not, He's not you understanding, like he is the

1043
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 2: ultimate two point about the but like if it on

1044
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: the one foot, he become like almost average.

1045
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: He still got it was.

1046
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: Average, but it was like, you're not about to get

1047
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: like all time spin off one leg dunk.

1048
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: And I remember, like, how did you feel about that?

1049
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: Was you like?

1050
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 4: The will was a cool idea, but it was bad

1051
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 4: at the same time. Like Steve Fanchs getting I think ten.

1052
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 4: He couldn't pawm the ball, so he had to do

1053
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 4: a three sixty off on one leg. He couldn't pawm

1054
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 4: the ball. We didn we got to dunk. Me and

1055
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 4: Joe Wallas. We had to jump on the free throw line.

1056
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 4: I'm there there at the dotted line. Still couldn't get it,

1057
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 4: and so by more spin I got it was spinning

1058
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 4: it was like one peg left and it would have

1059
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 4: went to doctor j one leg dunk, but it stayed

1060
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 4: on Dominique. That actually helped me win the dunk contest.

1061
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, I know every dunk he done,

1062
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 4: it's good, and so it was a wind.

1063
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: It was easy.

1064
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: Did you ever like when you were younger, did you

1065
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: ever do anything different, like you know, our dudes were

1066
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 2: doing Hello caf rages on the other stairs or walking

1067
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: in the jump stow.

1068
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: You just started just jumping.

1069
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 4: Another man that was actually my brother about sixty four.

1070
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 4: He jumped higher than me, man, and he's touch the

1071
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 4: top of the back. Boy was just in just in

1072
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 4: the gene pool man.

1073
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: Which is why your son going crazy like that.

1074
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 4: He's jumping higher than I was at that age right now,

1075
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 4: and the stuff he's doing is crazy because his brother

1076
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 4: is left handed, so he does everything left handed as

1077
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 4: far as like you know, right handed doing three sixties

1078
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 4: this way, he do three sixties against the grain and

1079
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 4: he can't do it the other way. I'm like, and

1080
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out. My wife was like, you know,

1081
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 4: because he's following Jason, everything is left handed. It's like

1082
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 4: that's crazy.

1083
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes your Boddy just naturally just feel good doing it

1084
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: that way.

1085
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to ask you who are your top

1086
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: five dunkers and putting your name in it, and what

1087
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 3: number you feel that you are in the top.

1088
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 4: Five, because you're in the top five, and I appreciate that, fellas,

1089
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 4: I don't even think I'm in the top five, to

1090
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 4: be honest with you, man, I definitely got to put

1091
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 4: Vince at one. Zach Lavin is too man crazy. He's

1092
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 4: crazy with Dominique three Aaron Gordon Man letting him talk

1093
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 4: about this right now? That dunk he did over the

1094
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 4: mascot is the greatest dunk evert.

1095
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: Bro.

1096
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: That's crazy, Bro, that.

1097
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 4: People don't understand that mascot was six on the hoverboard

1098
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 4: cover board. Yeah, he literally takes out it. Man, the

1099
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 4: greatest dunk ever, Bro. And then five, I'm missing somebody, Man,

1100
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 4: Who am I missing?

1101
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: That? It's not even me, I'm be honest with you.

1102
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: I think it's uh, who am I missing? Nate one

1103
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: of the most, Nate, one of the.

1104
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 4: Most was somebody else? I'm missing big time, Bro. I

1105
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 4: want to put Jordan there. That's what I'm missing.

1106
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: I thought you already say mj that Zach Lavine dominant.

1107
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 4: Aaron m J might outside of the list.

1108
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm six of the list. That's what's up? What was

1109
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: your favorite dunk on?

1110
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 3: Because you got a couple of bodies that I'm not

1111
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 3: a couple about it a lot of it.

1112
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: Can we just talk about how forty two or forty three?

1113
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm forty three, forty three years old.

1114
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: He's still catching bodies right now on the Big three, bro,

1115
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: Like this is the insanity of it all.

1116
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 2: Man said out a year, a whole year with a

1117
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: bad knee, and how many years later this man?

1118
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: I hit you on the one. I said, hold up three,

1119
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: this ain't right. Who is your favorite body? You don't

1120
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: call them the live man.

1121
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna say the one on Bradley Man Jean Brady.

1122
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: He guess on the count he caught a couple of

1123
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: bodies at twice. I can't say that one. I called

1124
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 2: Bradley twice? How how was that for you?

1125
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: Because you know you're a dunky you loved him seven

1126
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: foot Just get on them. It's playing the whole play too.

1127
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 4: So we were playing against Dallas and I think we're

1128
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 4: up one or down one. Cliff Robinson on Cliff Man,

1129
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 4: she was shy. It comes off, Bradley goes to try

1130
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 4: to get it.

1131
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: I just take it.

1132
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 4: I'm falling on top of it. He literally elbowed me.

1133
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 4: I'm on the ground and I'm just screaming because I

1134
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 4: know the game over with.

1135
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: How is it to see your.

1136
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: Son like falling in love with basketball and progressing and

1137
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: the more the abilities that he's having, because you know,

1138
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 3: we always pray for our son and kind of fall

1139
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 3: in love with this game that that did so much

1140
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: for us.

1141
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 4: Right both of my son, my oldest son, man, he's

1142
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 4: been like that since he was two three years old.

1143
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 4: We just always just in basketball everything, just ingrained the

1144
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 4: basketball with my youngest son. He never really liked it,

1145
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 4: and so he always like dinosaurs and he picked some rocks.

1146
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 4: He always did something crazy. But he gets all my athleticism.

1147
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 4: And then my oldest one where everybody expected him to

1148
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 4: because he's named after me, they think he has that athleticism.

1149
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 4: He does have athleticism, but it's not what my younger

1150
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 4: Wie have, But my older one has stuff that I

1151
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 4: could never do and probably still can't do to this day.

1152
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 4: He's a really good shooter. He's a point guard, Willie badhandler,

1153
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 4: high basketball IQ. So when you go see him and

1154
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 4: everybody talking about him, you expect to see me, but

1155
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 4: he's actually his own player. With my younger one, he's

1156
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 4: more like me, but a lot a lot more.

1157
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: I just always love seeing the former homies because you know,

1158
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: I got my little short He's coming through.

1159
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: I tell everybody Windermere on fire, like they're gonna be

1160
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 1: coming three.

1161
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: TJQJ crew all one year, the same age from each other.

1162
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna be you on.

1163
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 3: Tell us about, like how proud of you of Draymond

1164
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: Green and him being from the same place you're from.

1165
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: Uh went to Michigan State.

1166
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 3: All the success he's had in the in the league,

1167
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: and you know, all the connections that you'll had, How proud.

1168
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: Of how far somebody.

1169
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 4: Crazy early everything you know, I mean from you know,

1170
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 4: like we come from the same city, both went to

1171
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 4: Michigan State, both get drafted the Golden State. It's just

1172
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 4: a very aerie feeler, similar feeling. But you know, for

1173
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 4: his career to do what it is right is what

1174
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 4: it is right now. I definitely think he's a Hall

1175
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 4: of Famer. One Championships, Defensive Players of the Year, won

1176
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 4: gold medals.

1177
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: It's just always good second round pick beat any type

1178
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 1: of every every type of contracts.

1179
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 4: All of that, he got, all of the boxes checked,

1180
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 4: all the boxes checked. Man, and especially it's like a

1181
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 4: little brother. So he couldn't be any more prouder than

1182
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 4: seeing somebody from your own town who looked up to you,

1183
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 4: who were twenty three because of you having that much success.

1184
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 2: Now, I love it too, because it's the underdog too.

1185
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: Nobody expected that he's the second round that he wasn't it.

1186
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: I didn't expect him to be as good as he was,

1187
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like he worked his ass all,

1188
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: changed his body around and made itself into, like you say,

1189
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer champion.

1190
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 4: Crazy about it though, with Draymond, he was going to

1191
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 4: Kentucky with Tubby Smith. You know, Kentucky had those down

1192
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 4: here to tube Smith. Michigan State didn't even have a

1193
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 4: scholarship for him. The one kid that he was supposted

1194
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 4: came to Michigan State. He committed to him, but never

1195
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 4: signed a national letter intend the scholarship open for him,

1196
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 4: and Draymond ended up taking that scholarship.

1197
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 3: That's crazy, though, That's if you had four other teammates

1198
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: that you don't play with NBN in the NBA with

1199
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 3: you had a lot of teammates. Who is the four

1200
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: other players that you will pick that you will make

1201
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 3: your ultimate team with.

1202
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: You're gonna be putting the bracket now, now you're gonna

1203
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: be putting the bracket some nice.

1204
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 4: You got some guy gotta play with Shaq, So put

1205
00:54:53,760 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 4: Shaq definitely there. Okay, oh man, got put man, you

1206
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 4: know what't want boo myself?

1207
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: Yeah? Put Steve. See now this point guard Baron Davis

1208
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: will play the two.

1209
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 4: So I got two ball handles right there for myself

1210
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 4: at the three. Man, it depends, Man, I got you

1211
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 4: got Dwighte.

1212
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: You still got Mari A Grant Mary shack u b

1213
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: d just for the fit. Yeah, Mari to be a

1214
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: ma man have to be a that's tough. That's a

1215
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: tough five.

1216
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 2: And this is the question I want to know from

1217
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: him because I know a little something about my boy here.

1218
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 2: This this question ain't got nothing to do with you know,

1219
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: we all took care of mom and the family, this,

1220
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: that and the third. But I know he had car dudes,

1221
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 2: so this gonna be a good question for him. When

1222
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: you got that bag, well, you got comfortable, and you

1223
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: know you was like Jay Rich, but I do something

1224
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 2: nice for Jay Rich. This ain't got nothing to do

1225
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: with all smart and fruit. It was something like you

1226
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 2: that you might look back on out like hell I

1227
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: was doing like at the time, it was everything.

1228
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: What did you spend the bag on?

1229
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 4: When you was the first got the bag, the first,

1230
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 4: the first thing, the first big purchase, like what was the.

1231
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: Worst galade from three ten three one?

1232
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 2: Though three got him and gild that they got, they got,

1233
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: They got the forty. I got the forty dollars, they

1234
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 2: got the forty thou cost one hundred and fifty.

1235
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: Going up that we all riding off the lot.

1236
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 4: I'm exciting, man, I member my first getting that up

1237
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 4: before I called my mother, before I even got the lot.

1238
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just bought to escalade. Man.

1239
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 4: That thing was probably like almost like you said, the

1240
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 4: forty thousand card worth one hundred and seventy five.

1241
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: This taxi is from boy the way line TV in.

1242
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 2: The back and the first first floors. And I said, look,

1243
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: this is the case. The thing about me and my boy,

1244
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: we always kept it one hundred percent thorough.

1245
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: Bro.

1246
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: We went and did the most bootleg version of three

1247
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: one though you could ever had. I'm talking about bro.

1248
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 2: All these la people gonna know what I'm saying. We

1249
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 2: went to Alan's Auto Sound and Marin dale Right had

1250
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: the whole joints to flip up things coming out. We

1251
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: had everything that y'all had. Basically, wait she got. We

1252
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: got honey spokes rims from from a hood Dudemie Martin.

1253
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: What a hood dude he had. We had and I'm

1254
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: talking our trucks was the toys. They were twin trucks.

1255
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: I had a white, he had a black. He was

1256
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: on gold had come bro. We ain't even give nowhere

1257
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: near that seventy thousand and sixty times. We went to

1258
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: straight Hood where he got a type of speakers in

1259
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: his twelve. Yeah, he.

1260
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: Had everything. He y'all a woman and everything. We just looked.

1261
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: We was like, I'm not paying that ship for no

1262
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: damn escalator.

1263
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 3: My mama was like, fuck, start bitch, trade you gotta

1264
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: start one, you gotta bench one.

1265
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: You got trade one. Man. It's hard. James Harden, Paul

1266
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: George Kawhi, Leonard.

1267
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 4: Who man, that is tough. I'mosa I'm gonna start man,

1268
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start pg man. I'm a PG fan, I'm

1269
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 4: bring Kawhi and I had to trade James.

1270
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: Man another one, Kevin Durant, Dominique Wilkins.

1271
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: And what's the hell don't matter you already said Dominicque.

1272
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: Just that's his favorite.

1273
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: But ain't no dum.

1274
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 4: We talked about GM. I'm starting KD. He got to

1275
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 4: come off the bench. Whoever else to get traded unless

1276
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 4: it's it's just a straight killer.

1277
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: You're talking about Jordan or somebody. But I'm trying to

1278
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: find another three score.

1279
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 3: But that's cool about this because I remember this from

1280
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: the Yeah played the rookie and sophomore game. You were sophomore.

1281
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 3: Now ye're playing against boozer Man and you and your groove.

1282
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 3: What made you just hit him in the face with

1283
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 3: the ball and then then just pulled.

1284
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna bring some stuff up, man, my kids playing

1285
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: with Street. That's what it was. It was one Boozo

1286
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: was bro. We would have foun we would have.

1287
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 2: Came.

1288
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: I said, you to him up as.

1289
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: Anybody when I first episode that plout like, but I

1290
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: would never in my life be hitting the face with.

1291
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: Face and go to do that, and I'm gonna die.

1292
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: I said, no more basketball.

1293
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 4: You know, at the time tell you, like I know,

1294
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 4: Carlos was made Donalds a marriage. There's no disrespect. It

1295
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 4: still ain't nothing. Were talking see each other now. It

1296
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,479
Speaker 4: was just yeah, he's a great dude. It's a street

1297
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 4: ball move with no disrespect.

1298
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: But like you said, it was me.

1299
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah the price, Yeah, I would look that was like that.

1300
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: I didn't anytime I see it on any level. I'm

1301
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: like that place that's not rolling with the grill, it's

1302
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 2: gonna be something. Well, that's a rap man. We had

1303
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 2: to come top of that with my you know, my

1304
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 2: brother from another we rich boys over here, Jay Rich

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