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Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to Software a Gradio Special Operations,

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Speaker 1: military news and straight talk with the guys and the

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Speaker 1: Mickey Winn joining us this episode to talk about his father,

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Speaker 1: Bob Win. His story was covered by Mickey in Oscar

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Speaker 1: nominated film Last Days in Vietnam. I've been watching some

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Speaker 1: truly is a remarkable story. You guys are gonna like it.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into all that, I wanted to mention

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Speaker 1: that Big Mountain Heroes is now available on YouTube for free.

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Speaker 1: If you've been listening to the podcast, you've heard so

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Speaker 1: much about Big Mountain Heroes over the past year, and

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Speaker 1: for free, even if you're not a subscriber to the

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Speaker 1: spec ops channel, which we hope you join uh. And

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Speaker 1: it features a lot of guys you've heard on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's very well done. Great footage that these

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Speaker 1: shot down and fortunately the helicopter was was able to

428
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: at least maneuver its way down and hit the hit

429
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: the ground and then he would you know, run out

430
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: and basically take off his his uniform to just you know,

431
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: because if he ran around look in his uniform, he

432
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: would be an easy target for the embedded vcs, the

433
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: viccoms around that area. And so taking you know, crashing helicopter,

434
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: come down and take off this uniform and run around

435
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: to go grab a uh, you know, a taxi back

436
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: to a main city and then get it right back

437
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: to the town there. So because in that area, in

438
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: in that area where he was serving, UH, there's a

439
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: lot of embedded VC activities going on, and so getting

440
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: shot down or getting hit was part of a daily

441
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: duty that he had to had to deal with. And meanwhile,

442
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: I was wondering if you could take a moment to

443
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: talk about the rest of your family, you know, about

444
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: your your mother, your younger sisters, and kind of what

445
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: home life was like, you know, before things really started

446
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 1: to unravel. Yeah. So in the in the from seventy four,

447
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: from the two or three years prior to us leaving

448
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: UH Saigon, we lived on a military Air Force base

449
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: at ben Wa, which is about an hour away from Saigon,

450
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: and growing up there as a kid, just you know,

451
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: playing in the barracks, um my mom uh while my

452
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: dad did the daily missions. My mom would be at

453
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: home if they had a little condience story that she's

454
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: set up and just hold uh, you know, like a

455
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: seven eleven items to the local folks on the Air

456
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: Force space there. And I remember growing up as a

457
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: kid playing around on the in the the barracks, they're

458
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: pulling home cases of spent m or at times pulling

459
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: home cases of things that could blow up. And so

460
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: this is part of my my childhood growing up is

461
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: just I felt normal scared of that kind of my

462
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: mom when I would bring home, and it was different

463
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: to military items that I would find laying around. But

464
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: it's just part of my normal childhood growing up. But

465
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: I can sense the fear in my mom not knowing,

466
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: you know, whether one day my dad would fly off

467
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: and on a mission to uh and but not know

468
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: that to whether he would come back or not. It

469
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: was just that sort of tent sheer in living in

470
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: that moment during that time friend uh. And you know,

471
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: every day watching TV or listening to the radio, the

472
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: Communists coming down, you know, every day coming down closer

473
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: and closer and closer. Um, and you know, not knowing

474
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: what would happen if they did eventually take over the South,

475
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: take over the capital eventually they did, but just living

476
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: in fear knowing that and having a husband and will

477
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: fly off on daily missions and not knowing whether he's

478
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, shotdown or not was a stress that my

479
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: mom had to do with every day. On top of

480
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: raising three little kids. Got brother, my brother micha younger

481
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: than me by a few years. And then of course,

482
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: uh my babysitter, I'm not my baby, a sister who

483
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: in was about the six seven months old. So yeah,

484
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: that's that's life how it was for me. Uh prior

485
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: to how old were you in about April's buck six

486
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: and a half, six and a half. I remember, yeah,

487
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, there's yeah, there's some dramatic parts

488
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: of one's life makes you remember these people. So growing

489
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: up around that time, if I remember just playing around

490
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: the barracks and I remember I can smell, you know,

491
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: I know the smell of the aviation fuel, um, flying

492
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: with my dad a few times on the helicopter. It's

493
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: just a normal part of life that stared in my memory.

494
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: I imagine as a as a six year old, you

495
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: didn't have like a great political awareness of what was

496
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: going on as far as a larger situation in South Vietnam.

497
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: But were there some indicators you got things that your

498
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: mom said or maybe your dad said at the dinner

499
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: table that made you realize that things aren't looking so hot. Uh. Well, yeah,

500
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: later in my life I learned more about it. The

501
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: history is yet now, But during that time frame, just

502
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't really think too much about the politics.

503
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: I just knew that the bad guys were coming, and

504
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: that when we lived on the barracks, we can hear

505
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, during the last few months, Uh, the the

506
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: base there got shelled a couple of times. So, and

507
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: we had a bunker in the back of our house

508
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: built out, you know, in case you hear the siren going,

509
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: you know that you have to run back and getting

510
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: getting to the bunker to hide from that. Otherwise, that's

511
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: just a normal, a normal occurrence in my young childhood. Otherwise,

512
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: all the politics and everything else behind it didn't didn't

513
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: didn't wasn't too much aware of that until until later

514
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: on in my life did more researcher. And it's just

515
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: just saying, just just absorbing the being around and hearing

516
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: my mom and dad talk about it. It was just

517
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: enough to know that, um, you know whatever, whatever they did.

518
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: I have to follow quickly or else uh was not safe.

519
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: You know, if I see my dad or my mom

520
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: running into the bunker, then probably do the same. There

521
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: are times where we did go and run into the

522
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: bunkers too, you know, the months leading up to the fall.

523
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: So tell us how how did this unfold then that

524
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: things were going downhill? You knew the bad guys were coming.

525
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: How how did this great escape begin for you and

526
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: your family? Yeah? So, Uh, my dad, you know, at

527
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: this time, at this time frame, March early April time frame,

528
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: knew knew exactly what was going on because he had

529
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: the military intelligence and uh, you know, talking with other

530
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: military folks as well, that things were not going to

531
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: turn out well, and that the communists started to every

532
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: day creep more into the main city. They're signed one there,

533
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: and so he knew that things were going south. And

534
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: what he did, maybe in the last week or two

535
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: prior to April twenty nine, was a move my mom,

536
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, our immediate family into the main city to

537
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: be with uh with uh with Grandma, his mother in

538
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: the main in the main capital. Because again, living on

539
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: the barracks there, it got he got bombed pretty bad.

540
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: The main airport, Tumpan. Yet airport was of course uh

541
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: destroyed and none of the planes, none of the large

542
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: you know plans could fly in and out. Uh. And

543
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: then of course the military base got to hit as well,

544
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: so that was not a safe area to be Hence

545
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: he moved us to UH into the main city to

546
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: be with with my grandmother. And so he noted to

547
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: my mom a few days prior, and he had gone

548
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: off to take care of business, you know, doing what

549
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: he could, um and waiting to the very last minute

550
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: to continue to listen to to get orders from his superiors.

551
00:30:54,680 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: But towards the April time frame, after waiting for a

552
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: long time for orders, um, he found out that his

553
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: superiors also had uh you know, found a fleet basically

554
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: to find to save themselves in their own family. So

555
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: your dad just goes into work one day and his

556
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: his superior officers have fled. Yeah. By this time, everybody

557
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 1: knew that it's it's now time to You couldn't hold anymore,

558
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: and there's there's always this was the dam bursting out,

559
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: and it's time to it's time to exaccuate, it's tent to,

560
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: it's time to run. So by that time he he

561
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: told my mom, you know, if you if you hear me,

562
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: if if I'm coming, then get the kids reading and

563
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna high tail out of there, because

564
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: he knew that if he gotten um uh state or

565
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: too long, either gotten killed or gotten arrested by the

566
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: communists and of course sent to sent to the jail

567
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: or execute. When he says at this moment, when he says,

568
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: when you hear me coming, he's not talking about pulling

569
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: into your driveway in a Cadillac though. Well that that

570
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: was one of the That was what my mom had thought,

571
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: maybe he's come back in a in a in a

572
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: car or something to go to get us. But what

573
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: he did was that morning, the morning of April twenty nine,

574
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: I can hear I can hear the distinct the night

575
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: before it was I remember very rough. The night before

576
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: we were uh. They were shelling all over the city,

577
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: their bombings all over the city. The things that you see,

578
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, in the news these days in Iraq here

579
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: in places like that, I experienced that first hand as

580
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: a child, bombing in the city and we were ducking

581
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: underneath the bed and just hearing, you know, bombs and explosions,

582
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: all around us. Uh. Fortunately we were we were okay.

583
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: But the next day, the next day, I can I

584
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: can hear the very familiar sound of a show helicopter,

585
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: and uh, it was coming. It was coming closer and

586
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: closer to to grandma's house, and so close that we

587
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: ran out, all of you know, my my dad's brothers

588
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: and sisters, my aunt and uncles, everybody to run out

589
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: and here comes a huge, huge Chinook helicopter. And uh

590
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: living here in the Seattle area here and there's a

591
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: uh uh Lewis Joint based McCord air of um JBL

592
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: further down in the Tacoma area. We would drive down

593
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: to go visit family down in Olympian Portland, and you know,

594
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: once a while you hear the chinook coming. So even

595
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: from miles away, this chinook is huge, It's it's loud,

596
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: it's it's um you can hear it coming from miles away.

597
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: And for us to come towards my grandma's house, I

598
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: knew it was my dad, uh coming game to be covered.

599
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: He hovered above the house and back then there was

600
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: a there was a small little soccer field playfield area

601
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: in front of my grandma's house, and he dropped that thing.

602
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: He landed it right on you know, right in that air,

603
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: just enough space to land the helicopter down. And uh,

604
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: you know we see we see the back open up

605
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: and his coal pilot comes running out, uh, you know, waving, waving,

606
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: the waving us it. He says, hey, you're you know,

607
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: this is your husband's there. We're here to here to

608
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: get you. And so immediately my mom grabbed just the

609
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: small supply of diapers and just enough food, grabbed my

610
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: my sister six month old, and myself and my brother

611
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: ran to into the back of the helicopter. And my

612
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: dad had noticed that, uh, he had one of his

613
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: other guys on on both sides of the chinook, you know,

614
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: point as some huge guns back at at cops and

615
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: and others, just to keep them you know, at day

616
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: because again there was a lot of embedded vcs around there,

617
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: and who would you know, who would know maybe that

618
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: one of them could could shoot him, the pilot or

619
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: you know, take out the helicopter somehow. And so they

620
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: had to hold off some of the military, uh, some

621
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: of the police activities that were coming towards us. You look,

622
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: while we were while they were waiting for us, to

623
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: climb on board. But eventually we got on. We got

624
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: in and my mom turned around and asked, you know,

625
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: other aunt and uncles that were standing there, going, come on,

626
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, come with us. This is an opportunity now

627
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: to to leave because that as you can see in

628
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: the film, a lot of people wanted to to get

629
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: out of there. They tried to climb the embassy wall.

630
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: We see a lot of people struggling to get into

631
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: to get a way out of that area. But my

632
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: aunts and uncle said, you know what, you know, we

633
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: that's your husband. Go with him, and they stayed behind

634
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: UH and had to deal with the with the situation

635
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: after the communists came. It was it was not a

636
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: difficult life after they came. But we left, we got

637
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: on board, and he quickly, you know, took off as

638
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: fast as he had got the heck out of there,

639
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: and the thinking was to fly out of the city,

640
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: get out of the hot zone and meet up with

641
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: a couple other uh of his other guys that they

642
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: had the same idea was grab a helicopter and to

643
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: go save their own family. Because at this point my

644
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: dad had noted that this was this is chaos, this

645
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: was why is every man for himself. And there's all

646
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: the wild West analogy he uses. You had your horse

647
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: and you did whatever you get get out of Dodge

648
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: exactly get the heck out of there, because if you

649
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: stayed back there, it would have been bad news. And

650
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: so we got out of there and flew a few

651
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: hours south to get away from that hot zone, reconvene

652
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: and figure out a plan with his uh you know,

653
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: with his other crew all reconvened in this one area

654
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: with a bunch of other helicopters and kind of discuss

655
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: what the next steps were. And so the next steps

656
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: where to think. The thinking was to go and buy

657
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: get get food bags of rice, loaded up with other

658
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: supplies uh fuel as well, to fly further further south,

659
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: just away from the air and maybe perhaps find find

660
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: an island of some sort to just hide, right um,

661
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: And so all of that we loaded all the loaded

662
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: all up the helicopter up with with ration food and

663
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: started to head on out. Just if I can interrupt

664
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: for one second, just as a as a kid for

665
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: you and your little sisters, did you understand what was

666
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: going on? Or was this just a helicopter ride with daddy? No? No,

667
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: I I it's you know, five or six years old.

668
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: But this one I knew was all the bombings. That

669
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: knew something wanted to hurt us. Nobody wanted to hurt us.

670
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: And the it's a fight or flight situation here, it's instinctually.

671
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: Remember you were a kid and you got beat up

672
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: in school or you either you fight back or your

673
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: run away. And so at this case, you know, uh,

674
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: knowing that the enemy and if we always coming and

675
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: wanted to hurt you know, moms are all over the place,

676
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: and so the the the the the need to fly

677
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: where they need to get out of there was instinctual

678
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: and obviously following, um you know, uh following my mom

679
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: and dad was direction and was critical at this point

680
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: just to get out of there. So yeah, I realized

681
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: that the danger the imminent danger coming. So the next

682
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: step is you're going to load up on supplies and

683
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: try to find an island to go land on. Yeah,

684
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: exactly right. So my dad said that his helicopter, his

685
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: helicopter had I think roughly fifteen or sixteen people of

686
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: the pilot, co pilot, gunner. Uh, you had a mechanic

687
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: on board and one one other person as well, one

688
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: of crew member and of course uh immediate family, the

689
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: crewman's m his copolits girlfriend, and um, you know other

690
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: people's what. So in total, about about seventeen people on

691
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: his you know, on his helicopter loaded up with ration,

692
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: and then two other helicopters with the different crew members

693
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: as well. And so they they had out three helicopters

694
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: head out and at this point they followed my my dad,

695
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: hoping that maybe we just you know, stick together as

696
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: as a pack and try to find a safe place,

697
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: a safe refuge. And so as as he was flying south, uh,

698
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: he heard on on the radio US communication US chatters

699
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: and again he knew just enough English years back to

700
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: understand that there and as well as you heard on

701
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: the radar, there's you know, the US military ships out

702
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: in the in the Pacific. And so maybe the idea

703
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: here was instead of you know, flying to find it island,

704
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: maybe the first thing to do is find a ship

705
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: large enough so that he could you know, possibly land

706
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: on it and find find safety. And so it sounds

707
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: like a great idea. Let's give it a shot, you know,

708
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: And so he headed out towards specific The other two

709
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: helicopters had other ideas and so didn't didn't follow my dad,

710
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: So it was just you know, and they took off

711
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: further stuff. And so it's just my dad flying now

712
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: basically with faith that perhaps the ship out there would

713
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: be large enough to land on. Out of curiosity before

714
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: we get wanding on the actual ship the U S S. Cark,

715
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: do you have any idea what happened to those other

716
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: two men and who was with them? Well? Yeah, yeah,

717
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: eventually later on they fortune where they they found they

718
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: found their way to the US. I don't have the

719
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: full exact details of how it got to the U. S.

720
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: But I'm sure it's pretty much a similar store in

721
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: some ways. Um, but they you know, because my dad

722
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: in in the U. S. Here. My dad is part

723
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: of the South Vieta US Air Force sort of a

724
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: club similar to many of their veteran clubs here in

725
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: the US. And so once a year they would meet

726
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: in different cities to just you know, sitting and and

727
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: and do the military guy talk kind of thing, you know,

728
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: and meet up and have reunions in different places and so, uh,

729
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: all these different cities that they would meet, eventually everybody

730
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: would share the story, and my dad would share this

731
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: particular story of his and so there's only one person

732
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: that that did the stunt that was able to survive

733
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: and tell about it. And so everybody knew this story.

734
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: But to answer your question, these two other guys they

735
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: ended up okay, and eventually they you know, they round

736
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: these loop with my dad years later on in the US.

737
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: Very cool. So getting back to the actual story itself,

738
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: as you were kind of getting into, you know, your

739
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: dad spotted what you know we now know as the U. S. S. Kirk,

740
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: the Navy ship. Uh, exactly, So flying out there, he

741
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: he he had enough. My dad was a smart guy.

742
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: He you know, in terms of planning, in preparation, the

743
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: amount of risk that I was able to take. You know,

744
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: the rule of the one thirds, right is, well, I'm

745
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: I like fishing and boating, and so the rule of

746
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: one third is you have a one third of your

747
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: field to get out, one third of your field to

748
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: kind of put around there, another one third to get back. Right.

749
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: So I knew that that he that he took a

750
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: calculator risk to get out there to kind of look

751
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: around and see because I think he knew also the

752
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: proximity of where these these ships were located, and so

753
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: he knew he had enough, and if he couldn't find

754
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: something appropriate, or maybe if they didn't allow him to

755
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: do what he wanted to do, which was asked for help,

756
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: then he had an a fuel to at least get back.

757
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 1: But fortunately, as he as he got out there kept going, going, going,

758
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: and nothing in sight for it for a while until

759
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: often the distance he spots a ship and so he says, well,

760
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: let's let's let's give it a shot. Let's let's approach

761
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: them and see see what happens here. But as he

762
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: he noted as he got closer to the ship, it

763
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: was mild. He was a little too small. It's a

764
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: bit it's a bit small, and uh, and so what

765
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: other options did he have at this pointing? He didn't

766
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: really see anything any other larger ships close by as

767
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: an option, and so he approached it. He went as

768
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: quick as he quit towards it, didn't want to waste

769
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: any time or fuel, got close to it, but backed

770
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: off on the throntal because he didn't want to look.

771
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: He didn't want to look like, you know, the bad

772
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: guy coming. He didn't want to look aggressive in any way.

773
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: He wanted to look very safe, and so, you know,

774
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: just just Hey, I'm coming and don't shoot me, right,

775
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: So he approaches it very slowly and as he approaches it,

776
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: he my mom tells the story that she looked on

777
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: the on the port side looking down, you know, of

778
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: the U. S IS crewmen below were there's some guns

779
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: pointing back at us, and they were scared as well

780
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: in terms of not knowing if if this chinook was

781
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, had enemies on it or something and so.

782
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: But the way the way that he handled the situation

783
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: is hovering around this thing several times, very slowly and

784
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: seeing all the commotion and the activities going down. And

785
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: what we saw what my dad and others on the

786
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: on the chinook lapsaw was the crewmen below trying to

787
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: push smaller Huey helicopters over the edge. Uh. And these

788
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: a little smaller helicopters have the same idea my dad had.

789
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: They were South Vietnamese air too, with their own family. Yeah,

790
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: came out as well. They have the same idea. It

791
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: came out and where a was to land on the

792
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: back of the ship, which later on we found that

793
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: was the U. S S. Kirk. But they were able

794
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: to land and then families are run out and uh

795
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: the crew below would push the hell the smaller he

796
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: was over. But in this situation still my dad was

797
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: way too big. What the helicopter is way too big.

798
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: So what he was able to do was at least

799
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: get communication radio communication with the captain, the radio person

800
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: on board the ship, to kind of communicate what he

801
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: wanted to do, which was basically hover. The plan was

802
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: to hover, you know, close to the ship and UH

803
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: and jump over. And so that's what that's what we did.

804
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: The the captain of the U S is Kirk. We

805
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: found later on Captain of Paul Jacobs, just an outstanding man.

806
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: So the stories that I share through through my book

807
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: in what I you know, I've talked about this in

808
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: the film and another uh conferences or events that I've

809
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: spoken that was the story of courage, my dad, heroism, UM,

810
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: but also the story of compassion and the big you know,

811
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: the big heart of an individual like Captain Kirk to

812
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: go ahead and allow uh other smaller helicopters that come in,

813
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: say family, save these UH pilots and then you know,

814
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: do what it took to help more save at the end,

815
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: at the end of all this whole mentions thousands of

816
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: people that he saved and so the Captain Poul Chick

817
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: I talked about him amazing individual, amazing and he's in

818
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: his mid nineties but still just sharp as a whistle. Well,

819
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: when I saw that then I was just gonna say,

820
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: when I saw the interview though, and we'll get right

821
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: back into this of you speaking about this event. You see,

822
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, your sister jumping off with your mom, which

823
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: is it's absolutely crazy to think about. I mean, it's

824
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: a baby jumping out of a houter onto a ship.

825
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: Do you remember at the age of six years old,

826
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: jumping off the chinook and onto the deck of the U. S. S. Kirk,

827
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: Because I mean a let a woman being six years old,

828
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: like I'm a thirty two year old man, it would

829
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: be hard to get even if in fear of my life.

830
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a scary fucking thing. It is.

831
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: It is. And again, you know traumatic parts of one's life,

832
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: no matter how you know, even young, traumatic things in

833
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: your lives that it stays in your head, right, good

834
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: or bad, it stays in your head. And so yes, absolutely,

835
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: this is one of those things that I remember very

836
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: very vividly. And that finally they Captain Kirk Captain Kirktloe

837
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: said yeah, let's let's do this, right, let's do this,

838
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: and so they kept the the they kept the ship

839
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 1: continuing to move at a at a steady pace about

840
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: roughly five five knots or whatever, because if you shut

841
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 1: the ship off, it would the current and the winning

842
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: I would just float randomly. You can't control it. So

843
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: the idea here was to keep that ship moving at

844
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: a at a constant slow pace so that it's it's

845
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: a constant vector trajectory. While my dad was able to

846
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: go towards the back of the fantil, they called the

847
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: stern of the ship there and got close, hovered coast close, close, close,

848
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: just get that stucker close because as you know, this ship,

849
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: we found out later along was a suber industry net

850
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: to search, hunt and destroying, and so it had all

851
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: sorts of you know, very expensive, very valuable, very critical

852
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: electronics and antennas and radars and all of his instrumentation

853
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: on board, and so, uh, the the fear was if

854
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: he got too close, or if a swell or a

855
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: wave you know, would have caught in the ship, or

856
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: a wind or something obviously would have moved the chinook

857
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: in Manda chinook into the ship and a lot of

858
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: damage and lives, uh you know, at stake here. And

859
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: so he hovered that thing, you know, just continued to

860
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: maneuver it with the aid of a person you know,

861
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: standing on the deck. They're trying to trying to guide him.

862
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: So he kept an eyeing that well at the same

863
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: time covering this this backwards. He was flying, looking over

864
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: his shoulders, hovering, hovering this thing backwards and trying to

865
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: keep pace with with the ship while at the same

866
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: time getting close down while not getting you know, enough access,

867
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: enough HiPE so that um, his you know, myself brother,

868
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: what you know, his wife, mother, and and others on

869
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, other female you know, folks on board were

870
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: able to able to not jump too far and hurt ourselves.

871
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: And so this is you know, one of the one

872
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: of the crewman said, this is an amazing flying that

873
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: that he did, just to keep this thing steady you know,

874
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: with the ship and at the right angle so that

875
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: he didn't didn't bang into the ship while enough to

876
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: just have us jump out. Uh. So that's what we did.

877
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: So how far how far dropped down to the deck

878
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: of the ship. Oh, this was the the starboard side

879
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: open the co pilot opened up the serbot side and

880
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: this is about about fifteen feet more than ten feet

881
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: anywhere from you know, hovering this around fifteen feet in

882
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: heights just to stay, just to stay within that range.

883
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: Anything higher would have been too dangerous. Anything low would

884
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: have been just as dangerous in that range. Like Ian said,

885
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: I mean as I mean, I was in the Army

886
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: and did jump out of helicopters at various points in time, UM,

887
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: and I was hesitant to do that as a Special

888
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: Forces soldier. I mean, I can't imagine the parachute in

889
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: parachuting to um, but as a six year old boy,

890
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you must have been terrified. I know, you know,

891
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: it didn't was not so much of a terrifying experience.

892
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 1: Just following everybody else really before me. You know, there's

893
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: other you know, other other ladies, other other guys, you know,

894
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: adults and everything else, and I just I just followed

895
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: to it. I looked over and uh, there's soaps below,

896
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: four or five guys, the crewmen below, and incredible heroes

897
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: down there risking their lives to stand underneath this, you know,

898
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: because what would happen if the swell came up or

899
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: I guess something my dad miscalculated. He could have squashed

900
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: these guys. One of those guys I met years later

901
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 1: on Kent shipman again, an incredible individual, brave, uh, total

902
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: bravery and just standing underneath their volunteering his own body

903
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: to catch us. And so that's what I did. I

904
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: looked over and jumped like everybody else didn't. Uh, they

905
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: caught us below. And then the last the last two

906
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: people was was my my sister and my mother and

907
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: your little everybody six months of the crewman. Everybody jumped,

908
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're you're a little sister was six months.

909
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: He was an infant at the time, right, Yeah, it's

910
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: just an infant and Ken shipmen some of the other

911
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: crew it's like, you know, my mom with her left

912
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: and holding onto the you know the door there, the

913
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: handle on the door there, and with the right arm,

914
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: she dropped my sister Nina, Uh like a basketball they

915
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: call it, you know, like catching the basketball. So you know,

916
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: it was difficult from my mom to you know what

917
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: any you know what, any any same mother would do that.

918
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: But she had to rank and take that risk and

919
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: hope that things turn out well. So they caught they

920
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: caught my sister, and it was just my mom and

921
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: dad on the helicopter at this point, and so he

922
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: continued to hover it in. My mom, you know, just

923
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: looked over and said goodbye to my dad, uh, not

924
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: knowing you know, what would be the next she you know,

925
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: she she jumped and and everybody besides my dad, you know,

926
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: got got down. The only person that got hurt was

927
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: one of the gal one of the girlfriends to the

928
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: crew of my dad's crew, spread her ankle. But otherwise

929
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: every but he was okay. And they quickly ushered you know,

930
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: ushered our family, uh inside, because they didn't want kids

931
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: or folks running around the deck to dangers. And yeah,

932
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: and the last thing that I see when I looked

933
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: over my shoulder was my dad hovering, hovering away from

934
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: from the ship, you know, and that was that was

935
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: the last that I saw them. And so they pushed

936
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: this inside. My my brother uh fainted or my mom's

937
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: was unconscious. Um for some reason, I'm not I forgot

938
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: what the story behind that was, but he he yeah,

939
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: he passed away in the two thousand and three brainy aneurysm.

940
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: And so it's you know, it's a tragic story in

941
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,959
Speaker 1: my family's are in there. But uh, but the medic

942
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: tended to to to us inside and um, you know,

943
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: fetus and all that stuff in there. Uh. And so

944
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't until like maybe half hour or an hour

945
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: later somewhere around there, that we finally saw my dad, right,

946
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: and so in that half hour time frame, Uh, just

947
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: an incredible, incredible story that my dad shared that through dinner,

948
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, dinner conversations when you know, he would see

949
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: his other buddies and they would share war stories and

950
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And I would, as a boy growing

951
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: up in the U. S And Seattle area here listening

952
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: to all these conversations, I knew, I knew my dad's story,

953
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: but it was only a story told through conversation. None

954
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: of these pictures, none of these videos that you saw

955
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: that we saw on the film appeared until nearly you know,

956
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: nearly forty years or so many years later on many

957
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: years in two thousand and nine is when all of this,

958
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: all of these pictures came about. So the story that

959
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: my dad told just was absolutely amazing and is a

960
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: family story for the most part. But what had happened was, um,

961
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: he he had a couple of options. After everybody safely,

962
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: he saved, you know, saved everybody. First he had a

963
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: couple options. First option, you know, was to uh fly

964
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: back to land, but made no sense to him that

965
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 1: his family, his wife, his kids are on that ship

966
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: and there's no no way in hell that he was

967
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: gonna go back because number one, they would have killed him.

968
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: Then he would killed him arrest of them sent him

969
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: to the re education camp. You know, we've seen stories

970
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: of John McCain and others who have uh not not

971
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: a good thing to be in those re education camps

972
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: in anyway. So not an option Option one was was

973
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: not not going to be the option he was not.

974
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: An Option two was to extricate himself from this this monster,

975
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: this horse of his And so that was the that

976
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: was the only way that that was the only option

977
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: that Nate sense to him. And so he shared you know,

978
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: in this during conversations, during conversations that he hovered, he

979
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: flew out about fifty fifty sixty yards away from the ship,

980
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: and uh, at that point, the thinking was to try

981
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: to ditch this thing, all right, trying to ditch this helicopter,

982
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: get water land, or trying to ditch this sucker, and

983
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: so he hovered there. He hovered there, kept control of

984
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: this thing, and at the same time unzipped his flap

985
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: jacket while trying to hold this some steady, unstrapped his

986
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: bootlaces and get out of his boot stripped out of

987
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: this which is not I mean, I tried, you know,

988
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: I've I've tried wearing this full body suit jacket. It's

989
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: hard getting in and out of that place, you know,

990
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,479
Speaker 1: without without any strip, without any uh, you know, trying

991
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: to keep this helicopter floating and all of that. So

992
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: again one of the one of the huge oile, one

993
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: of the crew member on the ship was saying, that's

994
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: just Houdini trying to get out of this, this flatshacket

995
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: and boot in this whole situation. But he did. He

996
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: finally got got out, you know, got his boots off

997
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: and got down to his his shirt and his boxer shorts,

998
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: because the thinking here was to ditch it and get

999
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: get into the water. And it's you know, we all know,

1000
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: it's hard as heck to to try to swim with

1001
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: your shoes on, it, with your clothes on, it's nearly

1002
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: impossible to get down there. But once he got once

1003
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: he stripped down to his shirts and his shorts. There uh,

1004
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: he he kicked open the emergency of portside, the left

1005
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: side door. It's just enough to a little hatch, just

1006
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: enough for him to uh, you know, cover close enough

1007
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: to the water and get and basically prepared to dive

1008
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: to his to his left while at the same time

1009
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: using his right foot to move that cyclic the joystick

1010
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: and push that joystick so that it would lean the

1011
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: helicopter to the right. That was the theory, that was

1012
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: the hope. And mind you they they they only what

1013
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: my dad told him that he learned this sort of

1014
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: academically in terms of ditching the chinook. You know, you

1015
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: don't actually do training for this, you know, there's no

1016
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: actually you don't. You know, you can train, you can

1017
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: train to jump parachutes, train hundreds of time to jump parachutes,

1018
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: but you don't really you only learn this just from

1019
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: an education suffer and the idea. Yeah, on paper, you

1020
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: don't really to actually practice it. But in this case

1021
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: he had to actually do it, trying to execute this

1022
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: maneuver the very first time. And that's what he did.

1023
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: He pushed that stick, he said, he pushed that sound

1024
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: of a bit hard, you know, move that sucker because

1025
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: as she not cocor his uh fifteen thousand horse and

1026
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: the model back then about fifteen thousand horsepower and its

1027
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: shooting tremendous amount of power. That the that he had

1028
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: to quickly subdue in a very short amount of time.

1029
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: Uh And so kick that that that joystick to the

1030
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: to the right end. He leaped as far as he

1031
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: could to his left, and he dove in the water,

1032
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: and all that he could you know say it was

1033
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: just immense amount of of of energy and noise and

1034
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: commotions just you know right behind him. He tried to

1035
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: dive into the water at least three or four times,

1036
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: but the saltwater was was saltwater is extremely boint and

1037
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: so I kept pushing him up several times. But after

1038
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: the third of the fourth time he was able to

1039
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: you know, to get down. And we see in the

1040
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: pictures of just the massive explosion behind him, shrapnse of

1041
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: fiberglass all over the place. Who's to say that, you know,

1042
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: during this time frame, you know, one of these fiberglass

1043
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: pieces or something could have come down on his head,

1044
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: or the physics of the helicopter could have you know,

1045
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: flopped back on his on his head or something. All

1046
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: of these different things could have could have happened, but

1047
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: he finally was able to get down and then um,

1048
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: the helicopter behind him was able to settle down and

1049
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: he popped back up, and he felt just a tremendous,

1050
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: tremendous relief that that stress and that anxiety for for

1051
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: weeks and weeks and days and days on end, Calma

1052
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: neating to that point right in his life and seeing

1053
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: seeing a small little boat coming out to pick him up,

1054
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: he just felt just like this massive, massive relief that finally,

1055
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, all of this moments of running away from

1056
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: from the enemy and and doing all of this and

1057
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: who's to say that you know, you've gotten would have

1058
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: gotten shot during the back in the in the city,

1059
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: or you know, not enough fuel or all these different

1060
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: things that have just you know coming and changed plans. Right, uh,

1061
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: the universe call it what you will. Just everything was

1062
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: clicking perfectly right the captain and the compassion of the

1063
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: crew to to risk their life as well to help

1064
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: us out and to provide assistance and support. Just everything

1065
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: had to click, you know, courage and compassion combined together

1066
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: to two at that one moment and they picked him up.

1067
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: He was all wet. Uh. We a picture of him

1068
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: in this little boat coming towards the the you know,

1069
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: being being rescued, and so got on on on board

1070
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: and just felt really relieved. Uh first thing mom, mom said,

1071
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: he said, he was sharing. The first thing you did

1072
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: was got on the on the ship and instead of

1073
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: asking you know where, you know, where's my family? Said what,

1074
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: I need a cigarette? He was that wound up. He

1075
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: was that wound up, right, you just you just need

1076
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: to just give me five minutes to calm down. Here,

1077
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: give me a cigarette, and then I can finally, you know,

1078
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: I can finally say hi to the family. But sulking,

1079
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: wet and all cigarette in hand, he was like finally

1080
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: relieved that he was taking everyone around him. I read

1081
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: that he was rescued wearing his red boxer shorts that

1082
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: your mother had sewn for him. Yeah. Yeah, so she

1083
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, she she saves a lot of stuff, and

1084
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: that was one of the things that she she saves.

1085
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: He's just, you know, they said in the film that

1086
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: he had gold. He's a military I didn't have any gold.

1087
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: Perhaps other others that had that that resource M fortunate

1088
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: to bring gold with him. Uh it is, but not

1089
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: not our family. We came uh, just a military family

1090
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: and my mom had a convenience story. So uh the

1091
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: only thing that he had was just an old thing.

1092
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: We started in the US is just a pair of

1093
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: shorts in the shirt. And that's how. That's how. Yeah,

1094
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: that's how we started. And she stayed that she stayed

1095
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: after the years and so uh in when he so

1096
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: long story short, Uh uh, well, there's so many parts

1097
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: of this story afterwards. But we were only we were

1098
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: on that ship for only about one day, less than

1099
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. And uh we were whisked off with

1100
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: other families, other Vietnamese families onto a cargo ship and

1101
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: went to a Guam Wake Hawaiian and eventually to Camp Pendleton.

1102
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: And so were lost lost contact In't you know they

1103
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: you couldn't ask hey, can I friend you? Or can

1104
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: I get your phone number? Or whatever? Right, you couldn't.

1105
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: You couldn't do that. It was just didn't the lost,

1106
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: didn't lost track of the name of the ship, lost

1107
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: track of the name of the captain, all of that

1108
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: just you know, it's just chaos at that time, wondering

1109
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,479
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. Next and so, uh, you didn't

1110
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: get a chance to write down any any information. Um,

1111
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: so were you guys able to file for political asylum

1112
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: where you where you considered refugees? Yeah, it was a

1113
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: refugee status and uh in nineteen seventy five, a lot

1114
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: of there's a lot four or five different refugee bases

1115
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: scattered all across the US. We happened to end up

1116
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: end up in Camp Pendleton's uh in the San Diego area,

1117
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: the marine base there, and we were there for a

1118
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: couple of months until a church in Seattle, the church

1119
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: and the Belleview Washington's here across across Luis Church sponsor

1120
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: our family, and I was watching came up there. I

1121
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: was watching the video of of you basically growing up

1122
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: with these people and and them adding value to your

1123
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: wife and basically rescuing you and you guys, paar only

1124
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: adding value to their life. And so it actually just

1125
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: makes me wonder And people often we've gotten emails before

1126
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: about you know, you guys don't cover spirituality or anything,

1127
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: but but in this case, I would wonder you surviving

1128
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: your dad, surviving unfortunately the you know, passing of your

1129
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: brother years later. But as you said, everything basically going

1130
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: according to plan, then being rescued by this Christian family.

1131
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: Do you believe this is some sort of divine intervention

1132
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: or that it was just that your dad had an

1133
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: amazing plan and things worked out. I wish that was

1134
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: the case sometimes in life. You know, you can plan

1135
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: all you want. But when they said plan of you

1136
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: want if you get punched, it was the tyson Yeah, yeah,

1137
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: everybody has a plan and the fig yeah until you well,

1138
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: in this case, you know, the um the plan was

1139
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, for his life to grow up in a

1140
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: in a peaceful country, you know, go to school and

1141
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: get married and have you know, all of that. But

1142
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: that was not that was not the story for for

1143
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: Vietnam in the turmoils and the situation that it went for.

1144
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: And so uh in life, you know, life throws you

1145
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: all sorts of curveballs and you just you just gotta

1146
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: do the best you can to handle and think through

1147
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: and and be calm um uh you know, maneuver your

1148
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: way through that that challenge. And that's what he did

1149
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: throughout his life and so he you know, my dad

1150
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: to me is is my hero and throughout throughout this

1151
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: whole experience. Um. In terms of working in terms of

1152
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: reuniting and meeting up with captain uh, Paul Jacobs again

1153
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: and Kent Shipping and other crew members at a reunion

1154
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, many many years later, just to thank them.

1155
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: It was, you know, all of this had to come

1156
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: into play the universe at work. I was looking at

1157
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: that video of and that was from being reunited with

1158
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: the members of that ship, and I'll try to post

1159
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: it because they really you know, interesting thing about that

1160
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: video that you described there is that at that point

1161
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: your father had dementia. Yet you know he stands up

1162
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: and and salutes those men. Yeah, exactly. So let me

1163
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: look back up just the story just a little bit.

1164
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: In two thousand, so settled in America. Long story short, Uh,

1165
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: he went back, you know, started back in the very

1166
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: beginning and again literally started with nothing. The church helped

1167
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: us out. That got us an apartment. A few years later,

1168
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: worked hard, saved, lived that American dream. Eventually got it

1169
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: into electronics in the Settle area, worked at Bowing, retired

1170
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: from Boing. So in two thousand and one, he retired

1171
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: from Bowing. This is not knowing about the curtain, not

1172
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: knowing about the captain too. So when he retired from

1173
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: bowing two thousand and one, I said, hey, Mom, I

1174
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: want to do something special from God instead of getting

1175
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: in a tire a watcher a dinner for his retirement.

1176
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: Do you still have that shirt in that short you

1177
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: kept for him? So she says, yeah, I still kept it.

1178
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: So then I put together the box. I think there's

1179
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: some pictures of it. Well, there's strictures on my website. Yeah,

1180
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: but I put this you know keepsakes box together and

1181
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: all the medals at my grandma's sage and everything else

1182
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: that I made him this this box, and uh, it

1183
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: was it was so funny that um, a few years later,

1184
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: the the US Navy, uh Mr Jan Herman wanted to

1185
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: do a documentary on this on the ship the U

1186
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: S S Kurk again uh submarine destroyer meant to search,

1187
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: hunt and destroy, but in the end became a humanitarian

1188
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: story saving many, you know, hundreds and hundreds of lives,

1189
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: thousands of lives on the ship. And one of the

1190
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: dramatic events that occurred during this time term was, uh,

1191
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: this Chinook pilot and they wanted to find this Chinook

1192
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: pilot who uh, so that it would fill out you know,

1193
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: this the story that Jan Herman in the U. S.

1194
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: Navy wanted to to produce as a documentary on the ship,

1195
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: and so they put out they put an email. And

1196
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: because of my mom and dad's involvement with the South

1197
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: Vietnamese Air Force clubs all across you know, different cities,

1198
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: Virginia's Houston, l A saying Jose all these places, many

1199
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: of the other Vietnamese pilots, Um I knew about my

1200
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: dad this story. There's only one person that this isn't

1201
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: able to survive and tell about it. And so Jan

1202
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: Herman puts out this email and also produced a YouTube

1203
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: trying to find this this pivot. And eventually the email

1204
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: was sent out to the Virginia area, Washington, DC area,

1205
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: and it got forwarded onto a few other people and

1206
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: then forwarded onto my mom. She gets to email. Her

1207
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: English isn't very very good, so she ford to see me.

1208
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm sitting at work. This was in two thousand and nine.

1209
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 1: I'm sitting at work and I get this email and

1210
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 1: it says, hey, uh, email was from the U. S.

1211
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: Navy and we're looking for this pilot. And so I'd say, hey,

1212
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: I read the email. I said, you know what, uh?

1213
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: And I confirmed with my mom again back then you

1214
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: know what, what time? When, what day? And what time?

1215
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: Did had ditched and schnook because again this is all

1216
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: the story, And so she says, well, April twenty nine,

1217
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: this is you know, during the afternoon time free And

1218
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: so I said, ah, okay, So I went, I ran home.

1219
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: I took a picture of the box, right. I took

1220
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: a picture of box, and back down my dad was

1221
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: My dad was early stage of Alzheimer's at this time,

1222
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 1: and I had him hold the box and I took

1223
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: a picture of box because in the picture of the

1224
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: box of a picture of the shorts and the shirt.

1225
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: And so I replied back to the Mr Jean Herman,

1226
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, hey, if you're looking for this

1227
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: pilot from ditch you on this time frame, this time frame,

1228
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: perhaps that's my dad. And so I had said, not

1229
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: knowing that you know what what would come out of it.

1230
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: But no later than just a few hours later, Mr

1231
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: Jann Herman sent back, hey, yeah, here's some pictures. Take

1232
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,560
Speaker 1: a look, and holy cow, holy cow, everything that my

1233
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: dad shared at the dinner tables, here are some pictures

1234
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: that my dad was in live. He wasn't bullshit and

1235
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: you actually did this because I didn't see it. I

1236
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: didn't see it when I was a kid. I was

1237
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, we are insights, and I was only told

1238
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: through stories and so holy crap, I got all these

1239
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: pictures and everything. And so the person that took the

1240
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,799
Speaker 1: picture was Mr. A. Caapiano, one of the crewman picture

1241
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: had a he had a camera and in a video

1242
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: and everything captured all of this, and so uh, they

1243
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: the Navy came out and interviewed myself and my mom.

1244
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 1: My dad again back then wasn't able to talk. He

1245
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: had Alzheimer's Alzheimer's and they got worse. As you know,

1246
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: time moved on. But yeah, this is two thousand and ten.

1247
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 1: That your two thousand and nine when they flew up

1248
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: to a thousand and nine when I when all of

1249
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: these pictures came. About a year later they finished, the

1250
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: Navy did their own documentary called The Lucky Ssue, And

1251
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: so we got a chance to fly out and rolled

1252
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,839
Speaker 1: my dad into the wheelchair of this u SS Kirk reunion.

1253
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: And the first person that came up to us in

1254
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: his full you know, navy fatigue was the man by

1255
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: the name of Kurt Kent Tripment and he reaches out

1256
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: and he says, Hi, I'm can't sure that I'm the

1257
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: guy that caught you, And oh my god, my heart

1258
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: just went I just it's just oh wow, he was

1259
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: the one that caught your baby sister too, right, yeah, exactly,

1260
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: and myself there, my sister is a mom and my

1261
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: my dad, my brother passed away years prior to that.

1262
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: But the four of us, uh came out and brought

1263
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: my my two kids to experience all of this as well.

1264
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: But he came up and introduced distance. Yeah, and the

1265
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: guy that caught you, and it's like, holy caw. Look

1266
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: just the full circle afterlute, full circle because for many

1267
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: many years we didn't know him, we didn't know the captain,

1268
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: didn't know all of that. And so they they showed

1269
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: the documentary from the name and it was focused around

1270
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 1: the ship itself, mainly around the US is Kurt, and

1271
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: towards the end they invited, you know, they called up

1272
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 1: my dad and uh, they invited our family to come up,

1273
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: and I pushed my dad in his whelschare and there's

1274
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, throughout the prior to pushing him up, he

1275
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 1: was we were in the back because he was again

1276
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: Alzheimer's dementia. He couldn't he couldn't control his his himself.

1277
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: Uh just make noises. You just anybody who who has

1278
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: parents or knows somebody who has Alzheimer's and mensias um,

1279
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: they're not able to talk. He was just making odd

1280
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: noises and so uh not all there, you know, up

1281
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: in the head. We pushed them up on stage and

1282
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: they gave him um an honorary u ss Kirk Metal

1283
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: and uh just amazing to shake the hand and say

1284
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: myself to say thank you to the captain on behalf

1285
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: of my father and my family. And as the crowd

1286
01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: started to uh, you know, uh no recognize my dad

1287
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,679
Speaker 1: clasp and uh we I I saw my dad start

1288
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: to in his wheelchairs start to kind of wiggle and

1289
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: move around. And I'm standing close and trying to just say,

1290
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: hey Dad, you and just stay calm and stay down,

1291
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: but he persisted, he wanted to, you know, move is

1292
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: something kind of kind of agitated. And so he finally

1293
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: was able to push himself up out of the wheelchair

1294
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: as the crowd was clapping, and the only thing that

1295
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: he couldn't speak a word. You know, again just not

1296
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: all there, but just enough, just enough consciousness there to

1297
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: stand up and lift his right arm up and saluted,

1298
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, the captain and the crew and Um. That

1299
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: was all that he could say, just to say thank you,

1300
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, and not to me. That was just so

1301
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: emotional to me and UM and my and my mom

1302
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: as well to see that and so what we we

1303
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: although at times in the past few years before it's

1304
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: deathly we were questioning whether he was all, you know,

1305
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 1: mentally conscious, are there or not, But it's Fred of God,

1306
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: I knew my dad was. There's just enough to say

1307
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: thank you in you know, and that was it. That

1308
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: was all that you can do, very emotional time at

1309
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: that point. What really strikes me about this story, I mean,

1310
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 1: really what this this entire story is about. I mean

1311
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: from my perspective just listening to you tell it is

1312
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: really it's about the love that your father had for

1313
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: all you guys, and just the incredible things that there

1314
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: was nothing he wasn't gonna do to get you out

1315
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: of there and and make sure that you were safe

1316
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 1: and that you were free, and just the incredible risks

1317
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: he took. But but he did it for his family.

1318
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very that's very clear, awfully clear. The

1319
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: instinctually just being a father and a role model in

1320
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,560
Speaker 1: leading through example all of that. I just if I

1321
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 1: can be half the man that he in my own life,

1322
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: that would just be fantastic. But he set a very

1323
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: very high bar in family, uh, as you mentioned, in

1324
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: terms of all of that and doing doing the right thing,

1325
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,440
Speaker 1: and that message of doing the right thing really resonated

1326
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 1: in the story that a few years later on that

1327
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: Rory Kennedy produced in terms of the last days in Vietnam.

1328
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: It was just doing the right thing right that we

1329
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: see in the last season in Vietnam, and a lot

1330
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: of people in the embassy just um, you know, all

1331
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: this chaos as commotion going down and and the orders

1332
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 1: from Washington, d C. To do this, do this, and

1333
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 1: that that they said, you know, that's through that we're

1334
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: going to do the best we can to save as

1335
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 1: many people as we as as we can right and

1336
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: and defy all of these rules and things that were

1337
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: supposed to fall and use your best judgment to do

1338
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: the right thing, to to help others, help your family,

1339
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: help your help the people around you if you can,

1340
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: and so not that totally resonues that you can't can

1341
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: completely subvert or submit yourself to a mindless bureaucracy that

1342
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: there has to be some sort of human decision making

1343
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: process there. And that's why I really love that story

1344
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: about about Chippy Kent Chapman, you know, running running out

1345
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 1: there and catching your baby's sister. I mean, it's just

1346
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: an incredible story. And how did how did things turn out?

1347
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: I mean, um, where where are all of you? Where

1348
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: is the family today? Uh so, well, it's still in

1349
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: the areas that we live in Redmond, Washington here and

1350
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 1: uh everyone's everyone was great. Um, you know it was

1351
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: my mom. My mom is the other hero in my life,

1352
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,560
Speaker 1: just for her to support my dad through the wartime

1353
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 1: activities and raising all of us up and you know,

1354
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: doing all that she can to to provide and help

1355
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: the family as well. And then during the last years

1356
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: of my death life being the sole caretaker. And again,

1357
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: is anybody who has a person with dementia all all

1358
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: the time there's in their life, they know how it's

1359
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 1: difficult it is to take care of that, um, you know,

1360
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: to care for that person. And so my mom, um

1361
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: just to the jury and until my dad passed away,

1362
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: took care of him, uh you know, showered him, bathrooms,

1363
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: all those kinds of things just amazing, amazing, um wife,

1364
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: a mother individual in her own way. It just strikes

1365
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: me as like such the quintessential American dream story. It's

1366
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: the kind of story that are the kind of thing

1367
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: that as American citizens, you know, people like myself who

1368
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: are born here, we tend to take for granted way

1369
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: too often. And there was your family that fought for

1370
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: a tooth and nail. Um. But but I mean it

1371
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:34,759
Speaker 1: did come true in the end. Yeah, Unfortunately, my family

1372
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 1: story it was was positive. Everything you know, went went well.

1373
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: There are so many thousands and thousands of other refugee

1374
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: stories during the Vietnam time frame that did not end

1375
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: up very well then. So I'm very humble and very

1376
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: lucky that our family's story came out and turned out

1377
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: the way he did. But we talked to we talked

1378
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: to Jim Morris about one of those stories about our

1379
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: our Mountain Yard allies in Vietnam, and so many of

1380
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: them were left behind, and uh and Jim and some

1381
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: of his compatriots were able to get some of them

1382
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: back to the United States, but so many of them,

1383
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, were wiped out. Yeah, there's exactly a lot

1384
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: of stories like that in terms of uh, just the

1385
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: things that humans do to each other unbelievable at times,

1386
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 1: and and the things that you know, humans do with

1387
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: each other help is also very inspiring. So both ends

1388
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: of the spectrums when it comes to war, and it's it's, uh,

1389
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, if you you served, if you've gone through it,

1390
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: if you're a part of if you're a refugee, A

1391
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 1: war is not not something that you would want to

1392
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: wish on on anybody, whether you served it or whether

1393
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: you've gone through it or you know, survived it at

1394
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: that point. So yeah, um, one of the things and

1395
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,640
Speaker 1: maybe this is one of those those things that uh,

1396
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of share in terms of war itself.

1397
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys, go ahead, please go

1398
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 1: uh the so and in the past few years as

1399
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 1: as all of this, you know, emerge and learning more

1400
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: about all this and ward, so if I got the

1401
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: chance to to to circle back in and do some

1402
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: do some of my own homework and in crafting together

1403
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: the book that I wrote entitled that My Father the Badass.

1404
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: Obviously it's it's around you know this situation and just

1405
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: want being one badass mofo doing whatever you can to

1406
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: to survive, save yourself and sit you, save the family,

1407
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: do the right thing. But in the whole aspect of

1408
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 1: that and learning about the war itself, it really opened

1409
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: my eyes up in terms of, you know, the reason

1410
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: for Vietnam War and the and the things that we

1411
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: see today. You know, the word Venezuela comes into it,

1412
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: and in the media these days, is this gonna be

1413
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,719
Speaker 1: you know, Venezuela, Is this gonna be another another Vietnam

1414
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,520
Speaker 1: and everything else around it. But in terms of researching

1415
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: all of this and calling me a conspiracy person if

1416
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,640
Speaker 1: you will, but um, the war itself dragged on for

1417
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 1: more than twenty years, and as we all know, you know,

1418
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: the war is very profitable. War is very profitable, and uh,

1419
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: three millions South Vietnamese you know, uh, Cambodians died in

1420
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: this war, and fifty six thousand Americans died in this floor.

1421
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: And the question that I asked and and the research

1422
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: that I went into in terms of poking around the area,

1423
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: was did that happen? You know, did that needed to

1424
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: be the case? Where did the war needed to be

1425
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 1: stretched out for that mong and that many lives on

1426
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 1: both sides have to die in And I came out

1427
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: of it thinking night it didn't have to It didn't

1428
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: it didn't have to end that way because uh, you know,

1429
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 1: and again this whole notion of um, you know, for

1430
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 1: every bullet hole, for every gun soul, for every planefold, somebody,

1431
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:01,640
Speaker 1: somebody is profiting out of this. And UM, I just

1432
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,600
Speaker 1: I just there are too many things that I that

1433
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 1: I researched that UM point to that fact. Well, that's

1434
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: what we were talking about with Fred Galvin the other

1435
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: day about General Smedley Butler, marine general who uh you

1436
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: know we're probably like in the nineteen twenties or something,

1437
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: he wrote that book War as a Racket. UM talking

1438
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 1: talking about that very subject. And UM and I was

1439
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: actually having a conversation with someone just this morning about

1440
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's that incredible story when Robert McNamara, who

1441
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: is the Secretary of Defense during Vietnam after the war,

1442
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 1: he went to Vietnam and he met with one of

1443
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 1: the Vietnamese generals, one of the Communist generals, and I

1444
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, he told McNamara, you guys were trying to

1445
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: turn Vietnam into a into into an American colony. And

1446
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,600
Speaker 1: he was like, no, no, that's that's absolutely not what

1447
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: we were trying to accomplish there, and he said they

1448
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: almost got into a fist fight. But from the Vietnamese perspective,

1449
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: there were how many American troops stationed in Vietnam at

1450
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: one point, like several million, So, I mean you can

1451
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 1: see how from their perspective they're like, well, if this

1452
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: isn't colonial, there's something what is, you know? So yeah,

1453
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: it is. There's so many mistakes made in retrospect um.

1454
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,560
Speaker 1: And you know the Vietnamese as you know, you know

1455
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: better than I do. I mean, they were fighting the

1456
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 1: Japanese before the French, and then after the French they

1457
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 1: were fighting the United States, and for them it was

1458
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: it was Vietnamese nationalism, um. And it's it's just a

1459
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: tragedy what happened in Southeast Asia. Yeah, exactly, it's been

1460
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: a country that's been attacked. It was it got a

1461
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: lot of resources, you know, close to the beach side,

1462
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: close to the Pacific Ocean, so it's a highly desired

1463
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 1: territory and a lot of natural resources, um, you know,

1464
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: within the country itself. But uh yeah, just uh, you know,

1465
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,560
Speaker 1: the whole experience in working and giving the created to

1466
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:05,600
Speaker 1: share a positive message in light of all the craziness

1467
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 1: of of you know, the events happening in Vietnam. Just

1468
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 1: the the opportunity to share this story with others and

1469
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: you folks, your your audience as well as been UM

1470
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 1: a great opportunity. Just there's good people out there as

1471
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 1: people with every day just normal people but UM, you know,

1472
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: going through different different things in their life, big challenges,

1473
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: small challenges, but at the end of the day, we've

1474
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: got to continue to press through and UM, you know,

1475
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: find the courage to to you know, get through our

1476
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: obstacles and our personal deenions or whatever challenges in every way.

1477
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: So that's the story that UM I'd like to continue

1478
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 1: to resonate and I appreciate the opportunity to that through

1479
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: forms like this. Yeah, this is such a great story Mickey,

1480
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 1: thank you so much for telling it to us today. UM.

1481
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 1: I honestly was not totally sure why to expect when

1482
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,759
Speaker 1: when I walked into this interview UM this morning, because

1483
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 1: I just I read up on As I said, I

1484
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: wasn't familiar with this story, and I read up on

1485
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 1: it a little bit in the studio here before we

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01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: got started today. But I mean, this has really been

1487
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: a pleasure I'm so happy that we could have you on.

1488
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: And um, I hope people will really go and check

1489
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: out this book that you wrote. We're looking at it here. Yeah,

1490
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it here because you sent me a

1491
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: lot of info. It's possible I passed over it, but

1492
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware until you just mentioned it that you

1493
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 1: wrote this book. So my father, the badass, inspiring real

1494
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 1: story true here. I would have had to send this

1495
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: a couple of copies. Yeah, go go look this book

1496
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 1: up on Amazon. Uh, this is such an incredible story, Like,

1497
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 1: this is a great story to even like buy this

1498
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: and give this to a relative. I mean, it's it's

1499
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: really cool. And the film that already did, the one

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01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: that the one that got uh nominated for the Oscar

1501
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 1: last season, Vietnam is also on on Netflix. So in

1502
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 1: that's in the in that film, I just share, you know,

1503
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 1: the foty hours of that particular uh, you know, the

1504
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: dramatic event. The book really covers the his childhood days

1505
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: and what kind of a person he was all the

1506
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,679
Speaker 1: way to to the reunion as well. So it's a broader,

1507
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: broader into a deeper storyline. Netflix on the last day

1508
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 1: of Get On, written and Producerbrory. That's great, so that'll

1509
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: be accessible to a lot of people. And then actually,

1510
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 1: just as wrapping things up, I just kind of want

1511
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: to expand upon what you were saying before. So you

1512
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,759
Speaker 1: originally were saying people comparing you know, what your family

1513
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: went through and everybody else in Vietnam to what's happening

1514
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 1: in Venezuela. Um, I just wanted to flush that out

1515
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 1: a little bit though. Are you saying you feel like

1516
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: what's going on in Venezuela is not comparable or or

1517
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 1: that it is Oh no, no, I only bring up

1518
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,560
Speaker 1: the Venezuela think is the you know, the media or

1519
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: people in the general public now with information these days,

1520
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 1: you know, the the notion of that being called upon

1521
01:25:55,560 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: akin um is very relevant to today's time, so that

1522
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: there's people out there calling for a military intervention and

1523
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: things like that. Yeah, but at the same time, we

1524
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: don't know what the underlying motive is behind that, right.

1525
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: I wrote my book that you know, fighting for God,

1526
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 1: which is got a gold oil and drugs. You know,

1527
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 1: we we we hear stories that's written fact about c

1528
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 1: i A moving moving drugs through during the Vietnam War.

1529
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: In taking advantage of that situation. So, um, there's there's

1530
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: more truths behind that, right, things going on behind that

1531
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: that we may not be fully aware of, and so

1532
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 1: Venice Weather could be of a part of that sort

1533
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: of UM, I don't know how to say it. Um,

1534
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: the same team as well, perhaps, No, I would agree.

1535
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 1: I've heard that before. By the way, the the G

1536
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: O D acronym. Yeah, I'm just yeah, there's things that

1537
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 1: well for Venezuela, the oil and the oil part is

1538
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: certainly there. Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. That The other

1539
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: one that we're agitating with right now. This this is

1540
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: actually something an article I've been writing is Iran, which

1541
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 1: is another that would be a really a full's errand

1542
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:18,919
Speaker 1: for us to go over there and try to instigate

1543
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 1: something with UM, I hope that doesn't happen now. So

1544
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:26,879
Speaker 1: nobody wants. Nobody wants that situation. It's kind of interesting

1545
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 1: because you know, someone like yourself and a lot of

1546
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: other authors who have written about somewhat similar things seemed

1547
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 1: to share this idea. UM. I remember actually when I

1548
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: was working on Senator Bill Bradley Show, and I think

1549
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: I mentioned this on a recent episode. Um, this guy

1550
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 1: wrote a book about his dad raising the flag of

1551
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 1: Regima and his story. It turns out that his dad

1552
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: was not in the iconic photo they found out years

1553
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 1: later of them raising the flag of Regima, but he

1554
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 1: did raise a flag of Regima, and he was not

1555
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 1: aware of this. But the reason I bring this up

1556
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 1: is that when we had him on Editor Bradley Show

1557
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: The Son, he was very vehemently anti war, or I

1558
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: should I I don't even know if I should use

1559
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 1: the word anti war, but just the idea of going

1560
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 1: to war without using it as a last resort. And

1561
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the occurring theme of a lot

1562
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 1: of people who have experienced what you have, people who

1563
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 1: experienced communism or socialism or you know, any of these

1564
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 1: things that their family had to escape. Diplomacy is always

1565
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:29,600
Speaker 1: the best round. I mean, it's just trying, yeah, just communicating,

1566
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 1: talking things out. Diplomacies is the best rewards. Is the

1567
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: absolute less you know, last option. Yeah, yeah, I think

1568
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: most of you guys who have been there, you know,

1569
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: agree with that as well. Certainly, I'm not hungering for

1570
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: war by any means, having seen it up close in

1571
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 1: a number of different countries. It's just the tremendous human

1572
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:56,839
Speaker 1: costs um and whatever a little foreign foreign policy value

1573
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 1: that our government thinks they're deriving from it. I mean,

1574
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: I I just don't think it's worth it, and I'm

1575
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 1: you can color me a skeptic about what we can

1576
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: realistically accomplish around the world with regime change and things

1577
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 1: like that. But which, by the way, is also why

1578
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 1: they recruit guys at you know, seventeen eighteen, because if

1579
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 1: you meet someone who's seventeen or eighteen going to the military,

1580
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 1: they're like, I want to see action. And I think

1581
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 1: a true a guy in his mid twenties is less

1582
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 1: likely to have that a guy in their mid thirties

1583
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: that has a family. Oh yeah, exactly. It's you don't

1584
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 1: you know. You can read it in a book, you

1585
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 1: can watch it in a film, watch all these ramble movies.

1586
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: But it's it's a different thing to experience it firsthand.

1587
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 1: And even you know, you were only too young, Mackey

1588
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 1: won't won't know. I experienced it, you know, like bombs

1589
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 1: all over the place, running through the bunkers and jumping

1590
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,560
Speaker 1: out of helicopters like I lived it. I experienced it.

1591
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 1: One of the one of the things that I wanted

1592
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: to bring up also was, you know, when I mentioned before,

1593
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: like dragging on the war for a long time. Uh.

1594
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 1: In doing the research in the one of the things

1595
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 1: that I looked at was when I googled it and

1596
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: did other sources around it. But from like they called it,

1597
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 1: from the Rolling Thunder, and the premise behind that was that, uh, there,

1598
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:20,560
Speaker 1: the US was basically handcuffed in terms of rules of

1599
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:24,560
Speaker 1: rules of engagement in terms of attacking the enemy. And

1600
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: the point here, well, what what some of the things

1601
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 1: that they were restricted in doing was they you know,

1602
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 1: they could not uh, the U S cannot attack certain

1603
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 1: parts and certain targets. They were handcuffed from you know,

1604
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 1: flying a Dirton, time frames limited to certain things. So

1605
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: basically handcuffed. And if if if I were if I

1606
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 1: had all the wherewithal, if I had all the military might,

1607
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: the quickest thing I would want to do is to

1608
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,640
Speaker 1: subdue my enemies as as soon as possible, to just

1609
01:30:56,840 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 1: end this thing. Right. But some of these somebody is

1610
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 1: crazy rules or things that I've researched out here really

1611
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: uh dragged out the war a lot longer than it

1612
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 1: had hence giving the Commons the ability to continue to

1613
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: move further down, down, down, down, down, and stretched to

1614
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 1: seeing out longer than than it too, that it needed

1615
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: to be. That was the whole point. I'm just trying

1616
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: to make it the the fact that this this could

1617
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: have this could have ended a lot sooner than later,

1618
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: saving a lot more lives than you see today. Yeah,

1619
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 1: that's something I've heard a lot as well. And I

1620
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 1: even think that people domestically who glamorized like that the

1621
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 1: country is almost in a state of civil war, that

1622
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 1: they want to see things get worse. I think a

1623
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:45,640
Speaker 1: lot like the social Yeah, and I think people have

1624
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 1: truly seen a country in a state of civil war.

1625
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 1: That's the last thing. And you know, people maybe like

1626
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:55,480
Speaker 1: to glamorize the liberals of America going up against the conservatives,

1627
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 1: or the gun owners going up against the people want

1628
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 1: to grab guns, but you know that they also haven't

1629
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 1: seen countries where people are starving and their's foodlines or

1630
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 1: any of that, and and they're they're really negative sides

1631
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: of it. So there's people, I'm sorry, I don't want

1632
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: to go off on like a whole tangent, but there

1633
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 1: there are people in America today who are so politicized

1634
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 1: and so ideological, and they're so honestly they're just filled

1635
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: with hate in their heart that they think that they're

1636
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:21,799
Speaker 1: gonna have like some sort of civil war in America

1637
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: and it will result in this creative destruction, and what

1638
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 1: will come out of it is like this utopian society.

1639
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 1: And I mean I've seen essentially what are civil wars

1640
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: in Iraq and Syria, UM, a more low level kind

1641
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 1: of insurgency in the Philippines, UM. And then of course

1642
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, making you live through some of it. I've

1643
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,679
Speaker 1: studied the Vietnam conflict academically because it was of course

1644
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: before my time. I mean, no, that's not what's gonna happen.

1645
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 1: It's just a destruction of society, the destruction of our

1646
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 1: of our social structures, are institutions, are families. Uh, it's

1647
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 1: just a horrible, horrible thing. There's no thing to glamorize

1648
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 1: there at all. Yeah, that's absolutely Uh. You know. One

1649
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,560
Speaker 1: of the things I've been researching also is this this

1650
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 1: globalist movement. Are you guys Are you guys into that

1651
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 1: or we talked about the time. The thing is it's

1652
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 1: such a broad spectrum though, are we Uh? Because I

1653
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: feel like the globalism thing could go very Alex Jones,

1654
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: or it could be very uh rational, but but like

1655
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:30,680
Speaker 1: what what specifically? Well, yeah, exactly right said. It's one

1656
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 1: of those areas where I want to do very I

1657
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 1: want to thread very cautiously, very cautious because you know,

1658
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 1: being called a conspiracy, there's all that. But you know,

1659
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 1: I just uh, the the one world government, the New

1660
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 1: World Order, the globalist movement, call it whatever you will,

1661
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: it's just and what we see in terms of this

1662
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,759
Speaker 1: deep state, you know, the people that pull the levers

1663
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,720
Speaker 1: of people, the the illuminati, call it what you will,

1664
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 1: the things that they're doing to disruption, descrupt different countries. UM,

1665
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: so that you know, divide and conquered, right, divide the

1666
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 1: world up into different areas and then um conquer them

1667
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:14,600
Speaker 1: that way. And how does that? I mean when I

1668
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 1: when I when I looked at the history that I

1669
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 1: went through with Vietnam and trying to understand all of that,

1670
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 1: all of that, how it applies to Vietnam. Um, the

1671
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: notion the notion of back then when Kennedy initially wanted

1672
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 1: to uh stop the communist red tide. Uh. The difference

1673
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 1: between what I've learned here and I'm still trying to

1674
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 1: um looking to it to more. But the difference of

1675
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: things the US and Vietnam at a very high level

1676
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 1: of communism and versus sort of a democratic is that

1677
01:34:55,560 --> 01:35:00,639
Speaker 1: the corporations they they they run their own. Our government,

1678
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 1: the US government. Here on the flip side, I think

1679
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:07,680
Speaker 1: the Vietnamese government. I've lived there in the task from

1680
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: U two thousand, seventeen sixteen. They're back there for two

1681
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 1: years and just experiencing the country and living back there again. Um,

1682
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 1: communism is more of a the the government owns the corporations, right,

1683
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 1: and so the the the contrast between the two and

1684
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,719
Speaker 1: above them is the bankers and everybody else that controls

1685
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 1: globally everything though, so the whole the whole premise around

1686
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 1: globalist movement, all of that stuff. I'm still learning and

1687
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to pull all the pieces together. But um,

1688
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 1: it's one of those areas that is, you know, I

1689
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 1: tread lightly and I don't want to speak beyond what

1690
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: at least done. You know what I know so well? Yeah,

1691
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean one thing I think it just is quite

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01:35:57,439 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 1: apparent now is that there there is a such thing

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Speaker 1: as a foreign policy elite. I mean, I don't really

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Speaker 1: see it as a as a conspiracy, but there is

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Speaker 1: a a ecosystem in Washington, d C and other centers UM,

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Speaker 1: and they have ideological views about our foreign policy, and

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Speaker 1: I should be constructed in those views, and many many

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Speaker 1: instances don't align with the American public. Um. I think

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Speaker 1: the American public is getting quite frustrated with some of

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Speaker 1: these wars were running basically all across the world, and

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Speaker 1: there's and there's no end in sight. And so I

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Speaker 1: think there's definitely this um factionalized UM view towards these

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Speaker 1: foreign policy issues. And there are people in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Who are just inside a bubble and they don't see

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Speaker 1: what you know, America's sons and daughters of having you know,

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01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:55,599
Speaker 1: been running around fighting this war for seventeen years now. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well,

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Speaker 1: this has been a great discussion, man, and and I'd

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Speaker 1: definitely love to continue it at some point. Will definitely

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Speaker 1: check out the book and want the audience too as well.

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Speaker 1: Which on which once again is my father the badass

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Speaker 1: and inspiring real story of a true hero. The movie

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Speaker 1: is Last Days in Vietnam, Oscar nominated and anything else.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. If you have a presence on social media,

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Speaker 1: we have a pretty heavy presence that might want to

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Speaker 1: check you out. Well, just my website mickey went dot

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Speaker 1: com a bunch of pictures. I mean, sharing the story

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Speaker 1: is one thing, but a pictures worth a thousand words

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Speaker 1: of I encourage you know, any audies out there that's

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Speaker 1: just curious abouts to me. These pictures pretty dramatic. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know I had that on my website there. Excellent. Man. Well,

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Speaker 1: this has been an awesome conversation. We went long here,

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01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 1: but it was worth it and I think this audience

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Speaker 1: is gonna love it. And thanks for reaching out again.

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Speaker 1: I'm really glad we had you on. Oh, thanks so

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01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 1: much for the opperity to share this. Absolutely, thanks Micky. Yeah, awesome,

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys. All right, have a good day, okay, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: take care of But so I was gonna do a

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Speaker 1: throat punch of the week, but you know what, I

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01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: might say that for next show because I just feel

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01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 1: like we covered so much here. Uh, And I don't

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01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 1: even want to end it on that. That was just

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01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 1: too good of an interview to end it with other

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Speaker 1: nonsense going on in the world, which is really what

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Speaker 1: it is. I mean, this is such a significant story

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Speaker 1: and and such a valuable perspective to have. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we have plenty of guys on the show who are

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Speaker 1: Vietnam veterans, you know, who were in Mac Vi Saga,

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Speaker 1: who did different things, but we've never really had anyone

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Speaker 1: from his perspective. Yeah, yeah, this is sort of this

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Speaker 1: story is sort of like the aftermath of the war,

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Speaker 1: you know, and what happened when we pulled out and

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01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 1: we left that void there, and you know, unfortunately we

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01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 1: left our allies in South Vietnam at the mercy of

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Speaker 1: the communists. Yeah. At the same time, this is also

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Speaker 1: a feel good story and I think people will like it.

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Speaker 1: next week. I had one prepared, but this was just

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Speaker 1: I'll say is pre order Murphy's Law. I posted a

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Speaker 1: the front book and it got hundreds of likes, a

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Speaker 1: lot of comments. People excited to check out the audible

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Speaker 1: with you reading it. Yeah, and I did my first

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Speaker 1: piece of media for the book today. Actually, I did

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Speaker 1: a pretty like a long, like hour hour and a

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Speaker 1: half interview. Um, that's probably gonna actually go out. They're

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Speaker 1: probably gonna run it on YouTube, um, closer to the

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Speaker 1: when when it goes out, people can check it out

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Speaker 1: if they want. Awesome man, Well, I think, um, not

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Speaker 1: because of us, but because of Mickey. This might be

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Speaker 1: an episode that people will think is one of the best,

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Speaker 1: you know, better episodes we've done. But I can't think

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Speaker 1: of more interesting story than that. I mean that that

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Speaker 1: was really mind blowing and he did a great job

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Speaker 1: conveying the whole story to start to finish. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: it's super cool story cool. All right. Well, we'll be

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