1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of the Doug Gottlieb 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR Booming Up America 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports radiom A. 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: Yes, Welcome to the Doug Gottlieb Show and. 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: Today's a day or I'm glad I'm the only individual 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: on head coach to have a national radio show, so 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: I can spreak and see to all of you and c. 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 2: And Green Bay is gonna have a good team this year, definitely. 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: The Packers are definitely, and I think the Phoenix is 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: gonna have a pretty good team this year. Let's get 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: after It's great weekend of football. Long weekend a football 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: started Thursday, extended through yesterday, culminating last in Bill Belichick 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: coaching his first college game as a head coach against TCU. 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: Don't hate that you. 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: North Carolina opened at home against a quality opponent, but 20 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: this is like a scheduling one oh one. The hardest 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: thing to do in college athletics is scheduling. And when 22 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: people say it's hard, it's difficult. From a myriad of 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: places you have to make money and depending upon the 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: level that you're playing at, like North Carolina is not 25 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: playing games where they collect checks others, but you got 26 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: to make money by filling up your stadium. You got 27 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: to pay money for some teams to come in and 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: take an l and then you have to challenge yourself 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: a little bit. 30 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 2: Out of conference. 31 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: But what happens is there's an expression in coaching and 32 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: it's from Jerry Sloan. Jerry Sloan was a legendary tough 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: player with Chicago Bulls. He was most known for being 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: the head coach of the Utah Jazz that twice fell 35 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: to Michael Jordan in the NBA Finals. But the less 36 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: the adage if you will is if you listen to 37 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: the fans, you'll become one of them. Now, I don't 38 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: know when that game was scheduled, okay, And in reality, 39 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: they have a nice little soft non conference schedule in 40 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: TCU Charlotte, Richmond, Central Florida of the Big twelve. Probably 41 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: a little bit too difficult, but you should not be 42 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: playing two Power five schools and. 43 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: Walking into TCU. A trap. It's a trap. It just is. 44 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: TCU has to do it because they have to play SMU. 45 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: Here's another ACC school they play Abolene Christian Is there 46 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: is there? 47 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: But once your first game in. 48 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: College football, you're better off playing dead bodies or very 49 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: slightly alive bodies. To people who think Belichick doesn't know 50 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: what he's doing, I don't know. You got twenty years. 51 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: If you think they weren't well coached, well, they marched 52 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: down the field and scored on the first drive and 53 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: looked surgical with it. But what happens is after you 54 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: get after those scripted drives and you get to real playing. 55 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: It's one about talent too, about execution, and they had neither. 56 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: So you have seventy new guys against the staff that 57 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: just a couple of years ago played for a national championship, 58 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: won a Big twelve championship, like they actually have you 59 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: on college experience, and I just think you have to 60 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: go through it for a year at that level to 61 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: understand what you need at that level in order to 62 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: be successful. Like Michael Lombardi's a friend, a personal friend 63 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: of mine and a friend of the show. He's then 64 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: a general manager. He wasn't in college he was doing 65 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: He's done college scouting, he's been a general manager. He 66 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: knows football. This is not attack on his knowledge of football, 67 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: but specifically what it takes, what it looks like, what 68 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: you need in order to succeed at your league's level 69 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: or your level of football. For North Carolina, it's that 70 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: they're not right now at the uber elite. They're at 71 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: that notch below to compete with the TCU. What type 72 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: of speed do you need? What does it look like 73 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: on a college field, in a portal, in a high 74 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: school field. 75 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: No. 76 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, they had thirty freshmen. You got 77 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: no chance to playing thirty freshmen that game. Seventy players 78 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: is way too many new players, and the ones they 79 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: have don't. 80 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:43,559 Speaker 2: Appear to have enough speed. 81 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: But the adaption is going to be the key, and 82 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: my guess is because they adapted so well year after year, 83 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: roster after roster, change after change. 84 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: Where three four some were four to three some. 85 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: Remember early on when Brady was young, they were just 86 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: they wouldn't run the football for several of those early years. 87 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: They would just throw it out of the backfield instead 88 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: of running it. Then there were times when they became 89 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: a power running team and the Corey Dillon they really 90 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: ran the football. Late in Brady's career they became a 91 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: power running team. Takes them of the pressure off him. 92 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 2: So yeah, it starts with the quarterback. 93 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: Then you got to have speed, and you got to 94 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: have offensive line play. But you got to know what 95 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: you're looking at and recruiting, and when you bring in 96 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of pro guys to college, it's harder than 97 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: it looks because it's a different game than it looks like. 98 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: My warning to you is this, and this is where 99 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: college football is in a good place. I don't think 100 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: North Carolina is a playoff team, nor did anybody think 101 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: that going into last night. I do think that Texas 102 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: and Alabama can be playoff teams, even if they didn't 103 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: play like it on Saturday. What the tournament has brought 104 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: in in college coaching is actual coaching, which is it's 105 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: not what you start out like, it's what you and like. Granted, 106 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: you gotta lose kind of three or less in order 107 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: to get it, whereas previously it was just about you 108 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: got to be undefeated or close to undefeated if you 109 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: want to stay you want to have a chance at 110 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: the BCS or have a chance to play for NASA Championship, 111 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: have a chance to play in a special bowl, that's 112 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: not as important. You have to get progressively better, but 113 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: you don't always get progressively better playing a super hard 114 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: game out of the shoot. Sometimes you need a game 115 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: just to get your legs under you, to build confidence 116 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: in what you're doing, confidence in the building. And like 117 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: guys look different in games than they didn't practice, they 118 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: just do. So take a snapshot of now with arch spanning. 119 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: Take a snap shot of now with Alabama. Take a 120 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: snap shout of now with North Carolina. Understand Alabama's schedules ridiculous. 121 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: Understand Texas it's gonna get ridiculous. Carolina not as ridiculous. 122 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: But then you have to check back in periodically. Real 123 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: coaching is continue to get better. I was surprised by 124 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: the fact it was a blowout, but I wasn't surprised 125 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: they lost and it wasn't terribly close, because you. 126 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 2: Know, it's just hard. It's hard to build a new staff. 127 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: Because what happens when you build a new staff and 128 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: you pay the coach ten million dollars, you pay the 129 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: rest of the staff probably close to six seven million 130 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: dollars as well, is if you have ten million in 131 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: rev share and then five ten million otherwise. But again, 132 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: some of that money gets stopped up by the coaching staff. 133 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: It's really, really, really hard to do business if the 134 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: coaching staff is making a lot of money if you 135 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: don't have just crazy, crazy gobs of money. 136 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: And I don't think Carolina is there. 137 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: Because Carolina is also trying to be good at basketball 138 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: and some other sports. So they're probably maybe they get 139 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: thirteen million in the REB share. 140 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: Probably sounds about right. 141 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: Basketball got seven, they get thirteen, Maybe they can add ten. 142 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: But when you're bringing in everything new, that's more expensive, 143 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: and the hit rate is still way lower than guys 144 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: you actually know and have. So my point is that 145 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: while it's easy to kick Belichick now while he's down 146 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: and go ah, I didn't have Tom Brady or whatever. Okay, 147 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: just to guess, guys gonna figure it out. 148 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: Guys gonna figure it out. Yeah, war on a Cincinnati 149 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: We are in Cincinnati. 150 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: Byer did now standing job filling in yesterday? How high 151 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: is the Ohio state high from Saturday? 152 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 4: You know, Doug. Surprisingly enough, it's not as high as 153 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 4: maybe you would think with that opening win, it's a 154 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 4: game that you definitely don't want to lose. But I 155 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 4: don't know if Buckeye fans are leaving one hundred percent 156 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 4: thrilled with the offense. And that's not meant to be 157 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 4: an indictment on Julian Sayan, who I thought played great. 158 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 4: The running game may not be as dynamic as last season, 159 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 4: but again, you're going up against the top defense in Texas. 160 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 4: So it's a little bit, Doug honestly, of hold your horse. 161 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 4: And you said something in the just a few minutes 162 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 4: ago about the whole process of being a coach. It's 163 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 4: where you are at the end of the season and 164 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 4: not at the beginning of the season. And I think 165 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 4: Ohio State is a good example, specifically with their Oregon 166 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 4: matchup last year and losing that game at Eugene and 167 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 4: Oregon rushing the field and then having almost well it's 168 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 4: not the reverse, but Ohio State taking it to Oregon 169 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 4: and the Rose Bowl in the game that ultimately really 170 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 4: did matter. So you take it with a grain of salt. Ultimately, 171 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 4: is what I'm saying. 172 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's no preseason. A lot of these games 173 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: that teams didn't have spring. They got a ton of 174 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: new players. It's really early and I thought, I'll high 175 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: sleet looked great. They also have a former NFL coach 176 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: as their defensive coordinator who I thought can really confuse Texas. 177 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: And Texas won and Ohio State won the battle up front, 178 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: just like Florida State won the battle upfront with with Alabama. 179 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 3: This is the best of the Done Dot Lead show 180 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: on Fox Sports Radio. 181 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, 182 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: and or the only show that brings you what it's 183 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: really like inside those GM offices, what it's like on 184 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: the third floor of some of these places. 185 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: Right. 186 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: Administration Player personnel Toms Alasco joins us first weekly visit course. 187 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: For eleven years, he was the GM of the San 188 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: Diego then La Churches, of course last year the GM 189 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: of the Las Vegas Raiders. He joins us here on 190 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Let me start 191 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: with the decision to trade Micah Parsons. Again, I don't 192 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: know your level of insight into that room, but what 193 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: was your reaction to their decision to actually move him? 194 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 5: I wasn't, I mean, the only thing I was surprised 195 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 5: about was the timing of it. Obviously, they chased their 196 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 5: mind at some point later in the process because they 197 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 5: were actively trying to sign them, and they knew the 198 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 5: contract was going to be record setting and market recently contracts, 199 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 5: so they must have decided at some point to change gears. 200 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 5: It was just the timing of it, because at this 201 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 5: point of the calendar there's a lot of teams that 202 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 5: would have interest in trading for him, but you just 203 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 5: you're not budgeted for a cash and cap at this 204 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 5: point of the years, so you don't have as many 205 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 5: teams competing for compensation to make that trade. So but 206 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 5: on the surface, like look, deciding that you know, we're 207 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 5: not going to pay three players that much of our cap, 208 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 5: and we want to get some assets back, and the 209 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 5: assets I agree with this totally had to be more 210 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 5: than just ticks. They had to be picks plus a 211 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 5: player or players. The player that got back is a 212 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 5: really good player. Now he's thirty years old and with 213 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 5: his contract he may only be there one year, but 214 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 5: they get a frontline player back, and then the two 215 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 5: first round picks is good. The only thing is, like 216 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 5: you just you can't guarantee that you're going to turn 217 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 5: those two first round picks into two starters or two 218 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 5: Pro bowlers or even one All Pro player. And Dallas 219 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 5: to me is drafted very well over the years, so 220 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 5: historically they've drafted well. But again, you can't say they're 221 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 5: exactly going to get two starters from that or two 222 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 5: Pro Bowl players. So you would like to get back. 223 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 5: It's just hard for player of Micah Parson's ability and 224 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 5: his age, it's hard to get back true value. But look, 225 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 5: they decided that, you know, we want the cat flexibility, 226 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 5: and they were already using some of it with extending 227 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 5: dron Blantz. I like that they're gonna spend that money 228 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 5: on their own players and that's typically what they've done 229 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 5: in the past. I like that, And they're gonna get 230 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 5: some draft picks back, So they're going to take a 231 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 5: hit this year. They're just not going to be as 232 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 5: good in twenty twenty five without them. You got to 233 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 5: hope you hit on those picks, and you know, and 234 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 5: maybe if those picks are into a franchise quarterback down 235 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 5: the road to take over for Dak and this well, 236 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 5: it seemed like it was a great deal. 237 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: What do you think led them to change their mind. 238 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 5: I would think because this holding went for so long, 239 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 5: like I hadn't, I'd not seen a holding go this 240 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 5: many weeks where you get right close to this season. 241 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 5: If they were not going to deal with the agent, 242 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 5: which it seems like they were not, you had two 243 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 5: paths to go. One would be you'd have to put 244 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 5: them on a reserve suspended list because he's on the 245 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 5: active roster. And if you're on the active roster this week, 246 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 5: you'd be paying him to play in the game, and 247 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 5: the game that he's holding, he's holding out essentially and 248 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 5: not going to play. I don't think any GM ro 249 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 5: owner wants to pay a player, you know, one eighteenth 250 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 5: of his base salary, which is a lot over a 251 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 5: million dollars one point three million, to pay a player 252 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 5: to not play. So you either have to suspend them 253 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 5: moving forward for not playing, or you have to trade them. 254 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 5: So they had to go one way or another at 255 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 5: that point. So they decided to go to trade route. 256 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 5: And the big factor was this week plus they opened early, 257 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 5: they played Thursday, so they had to do something by 258 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 5: the beginning of last week either way, and you know, 259 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 5: they went the trade route. 260 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think the Packers is in the 261 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: trade for him. 262 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 5: I just think it's the right move at the right time, 263 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 5: and they're built to do this right now, both from 264 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 5: a roster standpoint, cap and cash standpoint. They're they're put 265 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 5: together really well there. They have a younger team, they've 266 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 5: they've built through the draft. They have a lot of 267 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 5: players on rookie contracts, which allows them to do a 268 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 5: move like this right now. They already had a great 269 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 5: defense last year. This will add to that. Now they're 270 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 5: giving up, you know, they're giving up. They're putting up 271 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 5: a lot of assets into one player, so that that 272 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 5: there there's always a flip side to it. So it's 273 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 5: a record amount of cap space. You know, they're losing 274 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 5: two first first round picks, which are usually you know, 275 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 5: opportunities to maybe draft an impact player in the first 276 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 5: round that you get at a blow market value for 277 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 5: four years. But I just think in this situation that 278 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 5: pluses that way the negatives. They had been searching for 279 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 5: a number of years to find that impact rusher. I 280 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 5: don't know this for sure, but it seems like they've 281 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 5: made calls on a lot of veteran past rushers that 282 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 5: were in that market to they were doing new deals 283 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 5: to kind of investigate, you know, making a big trade. 284 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 5: You know, they've drafted past rushers in the first round 285 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 5: the last couple of years, they've signed free agents. But 286 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 5: this is to me, this wasn't something they just looked 287 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 5: at a week or two ago and decided, hey, let's 288 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 5: try this. I think they've been trying this for a 289 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 5: number of years to find this impact rusher. I mean 290 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 5: obviously all the way back to Khalil Mackman to try 291 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 5: to trade for him. So I just think, right right place, 292 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 5: Great time for this club, and they're going to be 293 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 5: strong this year. 294 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: I remember, and tell me if I'm wrong. Didn't you 295 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: guys do dual practices with it with the Cowboys? I 296 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: want to say two years ago with the Chargers. 297 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 5: We did it twice in cost of Maincy. 298 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: Yes, and again if I remember, what you said was 299 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: basically my cap Parsons ruined. 300 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: The scrimmage because you guys can block them. 301 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 5: It was jaw dropping. I mean it was. It's always 302 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 5: fun to go with the joint practice with other teams 303 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 5: because you're up close and personal for a couple of 304 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 5: days right on the practice field. Things you can't see 305 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 5: when you're a GM of your own team. So to 306 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 5: watch him practice for for a couple of days, his explosiveness, 307 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 5: his speed, his ability to affect the game, especially at 308 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 5: all three levels, it just it just jumped to just 309 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 5: jump down in practice. So you know that's what Green 310 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 5: Bay is going to get. I mean, you can line 311 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 5: them up almost anywhere on the field, and you know, 312 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 5: does he play their run like an edge setting path thrusher. No, 313 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 5: but he plays the run with it's likeability explosion speed, 314 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 5: either chasing from behind or slipping blocks on the front side. 315 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 5: He can still play the run fine, just plays in 316 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 5: a different style. But again, you know you're paying him 317 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 5: to rush the passer. I'm not You're not paying a 318 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 5: player of forty five plus million dollars a year to 319 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 5: set the edge. You know, I can find edge setters 320 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 5: for a lot cheaper than that, paying them to rush 321 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 5: the passer affect the game. And you know he's gonna 322 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 5: affect the game in a in a big way for 323 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 5: green Bay. 324 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: Okay, So well, green Bay is playing the Detroit Lions 325 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: and then they play on Thursday night against the Commanders. 326 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: How do you how do you evalue? And the guy's 327 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: got a little bit of a back issue. How much 328 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: and how long do you play them? 329 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 5: That's gonna be a difficult one to handle. You just 330 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 5: you have have to look long term. And I know 331 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 5: you're paying them a lot of money this year, you know, 332 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 5: so you'd like to get seventeen games out of him. 333 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 5: But this is where where the GM has to really 334 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 5: come in and make really smart decisions. A lot of 335 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 5: it's leaning on the player, and even though you're you know, 336 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 5: you're new to the players, you don't know his personality 337 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 5: that well yet, but you're leaning on the player, leaning 338 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 5: on the doctors. My sensive is back, isn't that bad. 339 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 5: I'm more worried about a self tissue injury just from 340 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 5: not having a lot of high intensity reps the last 341 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 5: you know, four weeks. So if he does play, to me, 342 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 5: it's got to be package, the small pass rush package. 343 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 5: But you're gonna have to be careful with this because 344 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 5: I know he's in shape, that's the prime issue. But 345 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 5: it's just just a diff between being in conditioning and 346 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 5: being in football conditioning shape. It's two different things. So 347 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 5: I wouldn't ax thirty forty plays this week because even 348 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 5: if you did that and he gets through well, then 349 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 5: you got a short week now as much recovery time, 350 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 5: and now you're at a higher risk in week two 351 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 5: of having a self tissue injury. So I think they're 352 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 5: gonna have to be very cautious. 353 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: With this tender. Agree with you. 354 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: It is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. 355 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: Tom to LESCo is our guest, longtime general manager of 356 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: the San Diego than La Chargers, of course, most recently 357 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: general manager of the Las Vegas Raiders. He joins this 358 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: year on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Okay, so it looks 359 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: it looks like the Rams will have their quarterback right, 360 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: and again, on the surface, it's not that big a 361 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 1: deal for the Rams because I mean, Matt Stafford never 362 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: plays in the preseason. But again, the question is management. 363 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: It's a longer season than it's ever been, eighteen games, 364 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: they start on Sunday versus the Texans. How do you 365 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: manage an older corporate? Again, and I'm sorry, I'm asked 366 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: you a bunch of questions. But the other thing, and 367 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about it is older quarterbacks, 368 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: especially ones that have an injury, they have a tendency 369 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: to get rid of the ball a little a little 370 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: quicker than even they need to, right because they just 371 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 1: don't want to get hit. So I'm one of your 372 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: thoughts on Stafford in the Rams. 373 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's valid when you say, like, he 374 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 5: never plays in a preseason anyway, so I'm not so 375 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 5: much concerned about him not being ready to roll. With 376 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 5: his timing and anticipation, I think I don't think you'll 377 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 5: notice anything different. But obviously with this type of injury 378 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 5: at this type of age, there's just no guarantee it 379 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 5: doesn't flare up during the regular season, so they'll probably 380 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 5: have to have him. I don't know if you have 381 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 5: to have him on a plan unless he's having some 382 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 5: back issues. It's not like a shoulder, arm issue or 383 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 5: a knee where we need to lessen the load a 384 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 5: little bit. I mean back to unpredictable. But if he 385 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 5: feels good, I think you keep rolling. But you know 386 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 5: there could be points of the year where he's he's sore, 387 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 5: you have to pull him back during the week. He's 388 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 5: at the age of his career, especially in that offense. 389 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 5: If he doesn't throw every single day, I don't think 390 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 5: it's going to be a huge issue, but you know, 391 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 5: there's all there's got to be a concern that it 392 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 5: gets worse during the season, and then you know, at 393 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 5: some point do we have to go to Garoppolo And 394 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 5: they're already they were working on that plan B in 395 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 5: the preseason, and so this is going to linger the 396 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 5: whole year, something to watch the whole year. But I 397 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 5: think I'm not so much concerned about his level of 398 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 5: play when he's out there. 399 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: Okay, reports on Aaron Rodgers art Man. He does. 400 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: He still throws it with great zip, but he doesn't 401 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: move nearly as well. How hard is it to get 402 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: a quarterback who's so used to moving around, uh to 403 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: change kind of his style because he doesn't move like 404 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: he used to. 405 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 5: I mean, I think it would be difficult, Like if 406 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 5: you know you're your one style of player, used to 407 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 5: doing it one way, and now you know that the 408 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 5: legs don't always agree with what you want to do. 409 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 5: But I do think there are some some facets of 410 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 5: the of the offense that Arthur Smith's runs. I think 411 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 5: it's going to work well with Aaron Rodgers. They'll do 412 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 5: a lot of play action paths. He gets the ball 413 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 5: out of his hand quick. But I don't you know, 414 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 5: no matter who the quarterback is there, obviously it's Aaron Rodgers. 415 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 5: The offensive line needs to play better this year. They 416 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 5: need to have more consistency from the tackles to make 417 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 5: this work, and they just really offensive to step up 418 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 5: around him. It just can't be relying on Aaron Rodgers 419 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 5: to make this thing go. And you can say that 420 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 5: for a lot of the situations at quarterback this year 421 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 5: were in different areas, you know, Indianapolis and New Orleans 422 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 5: and Cleveland. You know, it can't be just the quarterback. 423 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 5: So they have some good receivers with the Steelers, they 424 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 5: have an excellent tight end group. Their offensive line, the 425 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 5: interior three of the guard center guard, I think is strong, 426 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 5: and the tackles have to keep improving. I mean, it's 427 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 5: got Troy Fonton who's coming off an injury his rookie years. 428 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 5: He's almost a rookie this year, so he needs to 429 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 5: get moving quickly. And Roderick Jones needs to take the 430 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 5: next step. But I think that's the important part is 431 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 5: their defense is up standing. I mean, their defense is 432 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 5: really going to hold them in the games. That's the 433 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 5: strength of their Team's got to get enough scoring on 434 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 5: offense to win some games. 435 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so you've done this for years and you did 436 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: draft a pretty good one with the Chargers, right. What 437 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: were your thoughts first going in to watching take Arch 438 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: banning take on Ohstak going into the. 439 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 5: Game, Yeah, well, I disfigured if he played well, he's 440 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 5: gonna be the best prospect of all time, and if 441 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 5: he didn't play well, he'd be the most overrated prospect 442 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 5: of all time. There wasn't gonna be any in between. 443 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 5: But I looked at him this summer just because I 444 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 5: wanted to see what the hype was all about. And 445 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 5: I didn't. I know, he didn't play a ton of 446 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 5: snaps last year. But what I saw I liked, I thought, 447 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 5: so I was. I was surprised how he played against 448 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 5: the Ohio State, not necessarily concerned. And actually the first 449 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 5: thing I thought of watching the game was like, you know, 450 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 5: you pull some Peyton Manning film early early in his 451 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 5: career versus Romeo Crannell, and it wasn't pretty. Sometimes it 452 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 5: looked it looked the same. So but now I think 453 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 5: Ris has a lot of skills. I think he's a 454 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 5: much more accurate passer than he showed against Ohio State. 455 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 5: But you know when when the coverage is not exactly 456 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 5: what you thought it was going to be, or the 457 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 5: pressure or sometimes the lack of pressure isn't what you 458 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 5: thought was going to be. It really affects your timing 459 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 5: and anticipation, and when that breaks down, your mechanics break 460 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 5: down and ball doesn't arrive with accuracy. So I've seen 461 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 5: him throw with great bass and feet and mechanics. I've 462 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 5: seen him do it before, but I think his vision 463 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 5: on of the what the defense is giving him on 464 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 5: that game, it was just murky and it led him 465 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 5: to not being very decisive. But that defense, with the 466 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 5: amount of talent he played against and the scheme it was, 467 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 5: it was a struggle for him. 468 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, he is a super high level defense with 469 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: with kind of taught from an NFL perspective, and it's 470 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: his first true road game as a starter at that level, right, 471 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like, Yeah. 472 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 5: I know, I'm not. Like I said, I'm not concerned. 473 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 5: And with these situation, I don't know if he'll be 474 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 5: in this draft or not. But with with all players 475 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 5: that you're evaluating, we take the body of work for 476 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 5: a year or multiple years, whatever it is at the 477 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 5: end and kind of put the piece, put the puzzle together. 478 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,959 Speaker 5: It is not a weekly stock market of up and 479 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 5: down and now hey he's not. He was ranked first, 480 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 5: now he's ranked third. It's just not how it works. 481 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 5: But I think he'll be better for this. I think 482 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 5: moving forward, I'm not so much concerned, but I was 483 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 5: a little surprised to the extent of how a house 484 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 5: state really forced them to play. But it is what 485 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 5: it is. 486 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: Okay, Belichick, what were your thoughts going in to watching 487 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: with Carolina played last night? 488 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 5: You know, I didn't really have any preconceived notions. I 489 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 5: didn't know much about their team. You know, they have 490 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 5: a lot of new players, but I hadn't you know, 491 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 5: I really hadn't studied the team very much. But you know, 492 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 5: like kind of like arch Manning, like I'd rather see 493 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 5: a body of work of this of this team rather 494 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 5: than just one game to make a big proclamation. But 495 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 5: the only thing that really I took from last night 496 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 5: is that I thought I was less coaching and more 497 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 5: about players. Like I just start, their team speed on 498 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 5: both sides of the ball just seemed really slow. And 499 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 5: there are some plays on defense where there were numerous 500 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 5: players that were free to the football and unblocked and 501 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 5: they just couldn't make a tackle. So I guess we'll 502 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 5: get a better feel for their actual talent level is 503 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 5: as we moved through their schedule. I think the floppiness 504 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 5: on special teams and the ball handing on offense that 505 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 5: will that will all get cleaned up as the season progresses. 506 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 5: But I guess I want to see more this year 507 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 5: and to see what their talent level is because last 508 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 5: night it just didn't seem like they they were they 509 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 5: could match up to speed and athletic ability wise with TCU. 510 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say this, and again I experienced some 511 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: of that last year, which is when you come in 512 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: and like, I know, Michael Lombardi's a GM, he's been 513 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: on the show, he's a friend, but but if you 514 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: haven't been at that level, or you haven't been in 515 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: college football, like, it's really hard to evaluate if you 516 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: haven't seen the league or the level that you're playing at. 517 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 2: Just it just is because. 518 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: And and evaluating high school and college kids is different 519 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: than evaluating guys for the draft because their development is 520 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: in a different, complete, different phase. So my takeaway was 521 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: that they're smart guys, but they learned a lot last 522 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 1: night in terms of whatever they thought their personnel was, like, 523 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure they were disappointed in some form of fashion, 524 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: but ultimately, my guess is they'll figure it out. 525 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 5: I think in the end they'll figure it out. And 526 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 5: you know, typically Belichick teams that have been big and 527 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 5: physical and powerful teams, but not necessarily the fastest teams 528 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 5: in the world. And when you get to the college 529 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 5: level and the way the college game is played and 530 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 5: it's so spread out, you got to make sure you 531 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 5: have team speed and maybe the half team speed there 532 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 5: that just as young. And this isn't playing yet. I 533 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 5: don't know. I guess we'll get a better feel as 534 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 5: the year goes on, and maybe it feels like we're 535 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 5: going to be big and physical, we're going to beat 536 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 5: people up, but you know, we need more than one 537 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 5: game to kind of see where this goes. But there 538 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 5: were just some plays last night I just felt like 539 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 5: they were just the slowest team on the field and 540 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 5: it just TCU was running circles around them. 541 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: Tim, you are the best man. Good stuff. Thanks so 542 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: much for joining us on Fox Sports Radio. 543 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 5: Sounds good. Thanks Doug. 544 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio had the best sports talk lineup in 545 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 3: the nation. Yeah, catch all of our shows at Fox 546 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 3: Sports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. 547 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 2: What but You Dog gott Leap Show Fox Sports Radio. 548 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: M m mmmmmmmm. I hope you're doing great. 549 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: The Doug got leep Shaw broadcast live every single day, 550 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: same bad time, same bad channel. I'm a proud of 551 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: them of Oklahoma State. They beat Tennessee Martin on Thursday, 552 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: and they'll play Oregon on Saturday in Eugene, part of 553 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: a home and home series. Oregon comes to Stilly next year. 554 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: All of our fans in Eugene. Yeah, next year, I'll 555 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: head down there. We'll have a have a good time 556 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: early in the season, be able to do the show 557 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: probably the night before from there. But there was a 558 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: curious back and forth, and I'll give you the blow 559 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: by blow with a couple of little cuts on it. 560 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: It's really interesting here right that we are paying players 561 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: at all levels of college athletics. Some are there, there are, 562 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: There are some college basketball programs who do not very 563 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: few college football. I don't think there are any that 564 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: aren't paying any players. You do make the decision on 565 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: paying everybody, which I think most people do. In football, 566 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: it's hit or missing basketball. Do you you know, do 567 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: tears or do you just each individual guy would negotiate 568 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: with him. Lots of decisions to be made from that perspective, 569 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: but I think, just me, I think that you're pretty 570 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: well aware players are being paid, so keep that in mind. 571 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: And there's still this weird feeling that a lot of 572 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: people have, like are we supposed to be doing this? 573 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: We're not supposed to be doing this. And some of 574 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: the reaction is in the idea that it diminishes the 575 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: coach if you have a bigger pot of money. 576 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 2: Right, So we'll get to it a second. 577 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: Here's my gundhy head coach of Oklahoma State, getting ready 578 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: for the Oregon game. 579 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 6: I guess that the last three years that we spent 580 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 6: around seven million over the three years, and I think 581 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 6: Oregon spent close to forty last year alone. Wow, so 582 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 6: that was just one year. Okay, Now I might be 583 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 6: off a few million, But they're spending a lot of money. 584 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,959 Speaker 6: They spent a lot of money, you know, and there's 585 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 6: some schools that are doing that. 586 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: If you listen to the entirety of the cut. He 587 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: wasn't negative about organ he was saying they have amazing resources. 588 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: I do think the figure of forty is quite high. 589 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: I think it's you know again, that's factory and a 590 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff that aren't what they're really factoring in. 591 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: My guess is it starts with a two, But I 592 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: don't know. Here's Dan Lanning, highly successful Oregon head coach, 593 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: former Georgia assistant. 594 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 2: Here's Lanning. 595 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 7: I got a ton of respect for coach Gundy. You know, ultimately, 596 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 7: how blessed are we to be in a place that's 597 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 7: invested in winning. If you want to be a top 598 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 7: ten team in college football, you better be invested in winning, 599 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 7: and we spend to win. Some people say to have 600 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 7: an excuse for why they don't right, And ultimately he's 601 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 7: a great coach. They've done an unbelievable job. But I 602 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 7: want to be a team that's competing at the highest level, 603 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 7: and we're really fortunate to be in that situation. So 604 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 7: I can't speak on their situation. I have no idea. 605 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 7: You know, what's what they got in their pockets over there? 606 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 7: I'm sure U. T. Martin maybe didn't have as much 607 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 7: as them last week. 608 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where he goes to a whole bote. 609 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: Hey you played U. T. Martin last week? Hah. 610 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: They didn't have nearly the budget you had. Didn't hear 611 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: you complaining about is Gundhy complaining? 612 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? Is he? Is he honest? Yeah? 613 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: Like, look, I was critical of Mike last year when 614 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: you know his star running back got a dui and 615 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: he's like, ain't anything I haven't done a hundred times again, 616 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have said it, nor would I have done it. 617 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: I mean I Saturday night this weekend, I went over 618 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: to a buddy's house. They're all having old fashions, was 619 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: constable fashions. I was like, I just can't have one. 620 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: They're like, why it was, I can't get a dui? 621 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: Like one drink? Like What's what's the point of one drink? 622 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: Like I'd like to have a couple of drinks. And 623 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna do it. I'm not gonna put 624 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: myself in that situation I want, I'm not gonna possibly 625 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: get a dui. 626 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: But the point is that even though I. 627 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: Greatly disagree with him, no one has ever accused my 628 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: Gundhi of pulling punches and being dishonest. I think what 629 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: he wanted to get out there was we had no 630 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: money the past couple of years. 631 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 2: This is the first year. 632 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: We're spending money and we're trying to figure it out, 633 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: and there's gonna be hits, so there's gonna be missus. 634 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: But Landing taking a swipe late and men, I don't 635 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: think ut Barton had that much money. The other part, 636 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: which is kind of patently unfair, which is, hey, i'd 637 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: rather you know, if you want to spend to win, 638 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: that sounds great. Some programs don't have that. If Boone 639 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: Pickens were still alive, they probably would maybe maybe not, 640 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, Oklahoma State, it just does not have the 641 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: depth of that level of donors that are that committed, 642 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: and it makes it really hard. Plus they're trying to 643 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: be good at every sport softball, basketball, football, soccer, wrestling. 644 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: They're really good at you know, Questria. 645 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: My daughter said, like they have little money because they're 646 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,719 Speaker 1: trying to be good at so many different sports. But 647 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting, like that's what coaches talk 648 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: about all the time. I told you, guys this last week. 649 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: We were playing Ohio State last year. It was like 650 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: an eight point game, and I switched up a ball 651 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: stream coverage and then all of a sudden, we're down 652 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: like fifteen. I just started emptying the bench and playing guys. 653 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: It was the one by game that got bad and 654 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: I was in. I was just devastating the locker, mad 655 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: at myself. Why'd I switch the ball screen coverage? I 656 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: just tried to spark us. Well, I just I'm in 657 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: my own sorrow. One of my coaches grabbed and he said, 658 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: what was our budget this year? Said at one hundred? 659 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: He said, yeah, there was a three million, maybe three 660 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: and a half. That thing was over before the jumpall right, 661 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: so you can use an excuse or an explanation or 662 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: a motivation for your fans, your bone donors. If you 663 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: want to be like Organ, you gotta spend like Organ. 664 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: Landing took it as a slam at him a little bit. 665 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: That's he That's why he pushed back. And I think 666 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: it's because Lanning operates on the premise that I agree 667 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: with this. That does it take great personnel, Yes, does 668 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: it takes spending short, but it also takes quality coaching, 669 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: because the more you pay, it's the harder it is 670 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: to get them to do the little things. We do 671 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: this every Monday. I don't see why we shouldn't do it. Now, 672 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: let's do a little love and hate. 673 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 2: Shall we love and hate. Oh, it's Tuesday. Did you 674 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 2: guys do it yesterday? Did you guys do it love 675 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 2: and hate yesterday? Dad Buyer? 676 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 4: Yes we did, Yes. 677 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 2: We did. What'd you love from the weekend? 678 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 4: I loved Ohio State's victory on Saturday against Texas. That 679 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 4: was great, again, not overblown, but it was just great 680 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 4: to have college football back and the team won a 681 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:35,919 Speaker 4: big game. 682 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Sam, would you love on the weekend? 683 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 8: Well, I was supposed to go camping and I did not. 684 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 8: I'm kind of glad that I didn't. It fell through 685 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 8: and I gorged, gorged on college football. That's what I loved. 686 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 8: I mean, I was watching from Thursday night up until 687 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 8: last night. It was a wonderful, wonderful Labor Day weekend. 688 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 2: What about you there, Jase two. 689 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 9: I'm a college football casual. Well, I don't necessarily root 690 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 9: for a team, but I root for storylines, as you know, 691 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 9: and going into the year, I'm rooting against two individuals, 692 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 9: Arch Manning and Deon Sanders. Both of them crap the 693 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 9: bed over the weekend, and I enjoyed that. I love that. 694 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: I did think that Deon Sanders like they not calling 695 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: a time out there when there's two blatantly obvious moments 696 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: where they could have called the timeout, and they didn't 697 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 1: on the last drive. I wasn't cheering them to lose. 698 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 1: I did want to see what it looked like without 699 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: his son, and they lost. What I loved from the weekend, 700 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I just loved that I didn't actually have 701 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: to move Saturday. 702 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 2: I moved very little. I moved very low. I was 703 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 2: not rewarded. 704 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: Like the Texas Texas Ohuse Tate game was not a 705 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: great game. Nobody will tell you otherwise, Like it just wasn't. 706 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: Wasn't that cleanly played, teams weren't ready, wasn't None of 707 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: the games were great, But it was just good to 708 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: have something on TV that we could all argue about 709 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: on Monday. 710 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 2: Is really good. 711 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: What'd you hate from the weekend, Damn Byer, What was 712 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: your hate that you listened at? 713 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 4: I think my hate was my luggage got delayed because 714 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 4: my plane got delayed and traveling on Saturday, so there 715 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 4: was a bunch of stuff, and so then you have 716 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 4: to make the decision do you wait because I was 717 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 4: fortunate enough to have another flight where my luggage was 718 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 4: coming in that same night, or do you wait till 719 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 4: the next day. I did not like that very much. 720 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 2: Okay, Chase dou what'd you hate in the weekend? 721 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 9: I hated watching my baseball team, the Dodgers regress to 722 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 9: what they were before sweeping the Podreys. They still they're 723 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 9: still doing with the same issues. In a weekend against 724 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 9: the Podreys at home, they seemingly had fixed all of 725 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 9: their problems, addressed all their bugaboos, and then in the 726 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 9: games prior or games after that, they have gone back 727 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 9: to what they were prior to that. So we need 728 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 9: to fix some stuff up here in the last three 729 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 9: weeks of the season. 730 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 2: Three weeks left up, Sam, what'd you hate? For the weekend? 731 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 8: I think I need a new TV, or at least 732 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 8: need to do a factory reset of my TV because 733 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 8: the YouTube TV multiview, which that really should be my hate, 734 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 8: you still can't customize it exactly the way you want it, 735 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 8: and that bothers me. They should have this figured out, 736 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 8: should pick exactly the games you want. That's not my hate, 737 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 8: though It's been a long standing right for me, the 738 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 8: multiview thing. But my TV couldn't even handle multiview. It 739 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 8: kept crashing, so I couldn't watch four games on one screen. 740 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 8: It kept just like turning off or going back to 741 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 8: the main menu. So, oh, I I know I might 742 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 8: need a new TV. 743 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, those are always fun purchases though, right, give the 744 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 4: upgrade to a little bit bigger one. Yeah I need 745 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 4: a better picture. 746 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:50,240 Speaker 9: Yeah. 747 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 8: Sure, this is an old Roku TV and it's small. 748 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 2: And they're not that I mean. And if you can 749 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 2: go to like Target and get one's expensive. 750 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, TV's are crazy. 751 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 9: Imagine that in two thousand and five, so just twenty 752 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 9: years ago. If you were if you were to say, 753 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 9: one day, I'm going to complain that these four HD 754 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 9: images will not be able to look great on my 755 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 9: TV in uh from the internet. 756 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, now you put in proper perspective there, I would say. 757 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 8: I will say that we've had the picture in picture 758 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 8: for a long time now. It's been a technology, it's 759 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 8: been around. 760 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it went away. It went away for a while. 761 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 9: It went away, Yeah, went away for a while because 762 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 9: it was garbage. So that's not even a great example 763 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,959 Speaker 9: to use. Clean that up, and yeah I deleted the podcast. 764 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: My my hate is the nonsensical decisions, the nonsensical takes 765 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: that come from one college football game where people aren't 766 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: really invested. 767 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 8: You know. 768 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: It's the same thing we get with bowl games or 769 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 1: with NCAA tournament games, like but especially now, like they've 770 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: literally had fifteen practices. They're still their kids, so they're 771 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: not new. Whatever your memory is of great college quarterbacks, 772 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: go and watch him play first week of the season, 773 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: in their first start. And yeah, I'm talking a little 774 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: bit about Arch Spanning. I thought some of his fundamentals 775 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: did break down. I thought he did get sped up. 776 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: But I was actually at Peyton Manning's first collegiate game. 777 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: They played UCLA. He was a backup. He came in 778 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: off the bench, and he was good. But like, let's 779 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: not act like you said, the world of Fire, and 780 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: they're playing against a really good Ohio State team. So 781 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,959 Speaker 1: but my bigger one is again like the let's fire 782 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: Kalin de boor like he's been there for fourteen games. 783 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 2: What are we doing? 784 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: You know, I mean just the craziness of one game 785 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 1: that you're not really invested in, not really invested in