1 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: Hey, what up your boy? Doug gott Leave. You can 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: check on the Doug got Leave Show weekdays three to 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: six seas from twelve throe Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: or the I Heart Radio app. I hope you're having 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: a great day. Thank you so much for downloading this podcast. Look, 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: we tackle all kinds of basketball topics and I will 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: share with you my thoughts on upcoming weekend's games and 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: some of the things with the Houston Rockets that I 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: love the Lakers blah blah blah blah blah. But this 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: particular All Ball is about youth basketball, something that I 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: grew up playing, and that's expanded where everybody's on an 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: a U team. There's tournaments every weekend, and everybody's got 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: a program. And um, when I did the Kobe podcast, 14 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: I may not have been that's not forthcoming. I was 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: pretty forthcoming, but I kind of glossed over how I 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: came to start back up my program, kind of my 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: father's midge, if you will. In Orange County, we're only 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: really in year two. And I did it for a 19 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: couple of reasons. When I did it for Legacy's sake, 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: and two I did it because I just I like 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: coaching ball, and I like teaching kids a certain way. Um. 22 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: The the gentleman who was running a program, still running 23 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: his own program, who was coaching in Newport Beaches, guy 24 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: named schaefer Z and Shay SHA's up. He'll tell you 25 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: his story. Is a former college basketball player and he's 26 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: a great workout guy. Great um. And what what we 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: found is we have kind of not opposing philosophies. But 28 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: I started one place and try and end in another place. 29 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: He starts at one place and tries to end at 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: kind of a similar place, but they're at opposite ends 31 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: of the spectrum. It's really interesting. Anyway, here's about a 32 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: thirty minute discussion on Shay workouts, youth basketball, and some 33 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: of the challenges in two thousand twenty UM. And there's 34 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: also a little discussion there about holdbacks. Now, I am 35 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: a holdback. I was. I stayed back in eighth grade. 36 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: It really helped me in my development. I don't believe 37 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: that every kid should be held back, even though seemingly 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: every kid should be held back. I've talked about holding 39 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: back my own son, not necessarily with my wife, but 40 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: because I don't don't think she's all that hip to 41 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: it just yet, but it's going to depend upon I 42 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: think his level of seriousness in the sport. And it's 43 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: not just seriousness in the sport, but you also have 44 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: to be honest with yourself and with your kid if 45 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: they have a shot. You know, you gotta look at 46 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: your kid and he's like, well, I want to play 47 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: the Vision one basketball Like okay, well you're gonna be 48 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: five eight and you're just not good enough. Like let's 49 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: let's be the best basketball player we can and maybe 50 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: we go and become a coach. If you really love 51 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: the sport the same thing, it would be true. Maybe 52 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: you're I talked about um. Josh Elliot's a long time 53 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: friend of mine, used to work together to ESPN, and 54 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: he would talk about Michael Phelps and he said, the 55 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: most amazing part about Michael Phelps is six five six six, 56 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: white guy, And somehow he found swimming, which was not 57 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: just perfect for his body type because he doesn't really 58 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: have long arm his big hands, but because his long 59 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: torso so he found the perfect sport for his body 60 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: type and his personality and it just worked. It became 61 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: arguably the greatest swimmer of all time. So I think 62 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: that's the other challenge. Many of you have kids that 63 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: want to play basketball, but maybe they're not that good. Um, stay, 64 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: it's a hard year. It's a hard thing. You're gonna 65 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: separate your son or daughter from their classmates, from many 66 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: of their friends, maybe for a year, maybe for the 67 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: rest of their scholastic time, but it can also open 68 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: up a ton of doors for them in the future. 69 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: Did for me. We're on that to come. Here's my 70 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: interview with Shaye. Be sure to catch the live edition 71 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. 72 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I 73 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: Heart Radio a app. All right, let's bring in Shape 74 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: Crazy who Uh. We discussed a little bit in kind 75 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: of the Kobe Pod and Shay, you you grew up 76 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: playing what in the Seattle area? Right? Actually I grew 77 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: up in Alaska, Dug. I lived in Alaska. Tall I 78 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: was like seven teams where in Alaska? Uh, fair Banks. 79 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: In fact, I don't know if we discussed this, but 80 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: my dad used to Yeah, he used to have Team 81 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: Alaska percent. Your dad recruited me to come down to 82 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: southern California and play on one of his Branch West teams. 83 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: When I was like junior going into senior of high school? 84 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: Did you do it? I didn't. I wish I would have. Actually, Um, 85 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: I didn't know the landscape, you know, like being in Alaska, 86 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of you're not really privy to 87 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: the you know, the kind of the grassroots in Mecca, 88 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: the southern California is. And I had already committed to 89 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: the Double Pump camp, you know the camp they used 90 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: to run. We could sign up as an individual and go. 91 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: And uh so I had like a conflicting deal. And 92 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, you know, in mindset, I wish I would 93 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: have gone with your dad, because that seemed to be 94 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: a better way, um to get get the job done 95 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: and get some looks for college. But uh, you know, 96 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: it is what it is. Your dad was a really 97 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: cool guy. He came up there every year. I know 98 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: he recruited. Um did you know that Ray kid that 99 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: was like the seven footter that played on wash SOA. 100 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: I know, he was like he was like one of 101 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: the kids that was well known to come down to 102 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: Southern California with your dad. Yeah, there's also a kid 103 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: who played at Santa Barbara. I'm trying to think, um, uh, shoot, 104 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: he played at you see Santa Barbara man I. All 105 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: these names, um are are familiar to me because I 106 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: helped coach kind of some of those teams when they 107 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: um when they when they came down to the lower 108 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: forty eight. But he would go up there and he would, um, 109 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: he would. He was Ray Schaffer, right, Ray Shaffer, that's exactly. 110 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: He had a little brother, wasn't quite as big or 111 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: as talented, but yeah, Ray Shafer, that is it. Yeah, 112 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: and he went, um he played to Oregon. Yeah. Yeah, 113 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's accurate. Um. Okay, so you end 114 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: up playing where but then you played in Seattle in college? Correct? Yeah? 115 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: So I ended up going to Uh my, my whole 116 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: family moved down to Seattle to help out my grandparents. 117 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: UM my senior ye of high school. So I played 118 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: one year at Redmond High School, graduated two thousand five, 119 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: played two years at Bellevue College, UM for Jeremy Agger's 120 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: and then I transferred to col State East Bay in 121 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: the uh it's like in Heyward. It was cow State 122 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: Hayward formally cow State Heyward, about ten minutes south of Oakland, 123 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: and finished up there in two thousand nine. Um, then 124 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: I actually met a buddy, uh, a friend of mine, 125 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: Charlie Torres. He was playing at East Bay, or he 126 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: was gonna play at East Bay, and then he ended 127 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: up leaving like right before the Sea and started to 128 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: play professionally in Mexico. We stayed in touch my two 129 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: three years that I was there finishing up school, and 130 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: he invited me to come down to Southern California and 131 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: start helping begin with some skill development stuff. In two 132 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: thousand and eleven, um he had been working with Derrick 133 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: Williams Arizona and ended up being a number two pick 134 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: in the draft. Lamarado, Lamorada High School. Just just for you, 135 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: were just talking to Bobby Hurley. He went to see 136 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: He as a kid who signed a Pacific high school 137 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: and they played, He said, they played Latamarata was like 138 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: Lamarandos like Derrick Williams. Did you gotta know these guys anyway? 139 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: Go ahead? You know? Um, yeah, the suburban League. So 140 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: me and Charlie were assistant coaches at Lamorada High School, 141 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: running kind of player development out of the gym after hours, 142 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: and uh, that was kind of how I got my 143 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: start in Southern California basketball. But then you started working 144 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: out a lot of pros, didn't you. Yeah, so Charlie 145 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: had a like a pretty good following going. Actually, one 146 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: of the first places we went to when I moved 147 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: down here was Modern Day UM, and we were working 148 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: out Kate and ran Hardt, UM, Elijah Brown, UM, like 149 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: Landry Field, the ware Brothers, and uh, there was this 150 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: freshman kid. Um. I thought he was part of the 151 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: football team. He was like six five pounds and he 152 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: kept peeking his head This is like the summertime. He's 153 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: like peeking his head out from behind the curtain watching 154 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: us work out. And then, uh, coach McKnight comes up 155 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: to me and Charlie one day and he's like, hey, 156 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: you know this kid, Stanley he played the five on 157 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: our our our team. Um, he wants to jump in 158 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: your workouts when he's done with attentions. And we were like, 159 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: all right, you know, throw him in there. So we 160 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: started talking to stand. I thought he was like a 161 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: senior on the football team who played tight end and 162 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: like was the big rebounder, bruiser five. We uh, you know, 163 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: he ended up being Stanley Johnson and he was coming 164 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: off his freshman year. And and Mike that was a 165 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: pretty cool experience. Why do you think he hasn't had 166 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: a better run as a pro. That's a tough question, Doug, Um. 167 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: I think some. I think a lot of it has 168 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: to do I mean, like so, and we can get 169 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: into this deeper later. A lot of it has to 170 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: do with the psychology coming out of being an elite 171 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: high school player and moving into being like a professional 172 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: when you're playing with men, um, with seasoned veterans and 173 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: kind of like in a hierarchy. I guess where you're 174 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the hierarchy, or even if you 175 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: come in with a lot of talent, a lot of hype, 176 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: and I don't know the inner workings and I could 177 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 1: be wrong, you still have to what would you say, 178 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: You still have to work your way and kind of 179 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: earn your stripes into the hierarchy. And I think that 180 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: can be tough. And if you don't hit the right 181 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: situation or if you're not extremely strong mentally, and uh, 182 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: Stand had some like you know, Jee's Stand's mom. That 183 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: was a tough one for him. I know, Um she 184 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: passed right as he was going into his rookie season. Um, 185 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: And so I think, like you know, there's probably five 186 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: to ten things we could bring together to, you know, 187 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: to kind of figure out why things haven't gone better 188 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: for him. Um, I mean he's still in the NBA. 189 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: He's uh, he's doing his thing in Toronto. You's got 190 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: to work his way into the rotation. But you know, 191 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: just being there is a is a big deal. No, 192 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: I understand. It is funny how we we lose perspective, 193 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: Like he's in the NBA, right, he was I think 194 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: the seventh pick of the draft or whatever. Uh, he's 195 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: onto his second or third contracts. So I want we 196 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: if we take the perspective of he was a top 197 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: ten pick and McDonald's all American and he's not a 198 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: rotation player in the NBA, he would be seen as 199 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: a disappointment when you consider the fact that what he's 200 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: made and that he's made it, and there's only four 201 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: hundred fifty guys in the NBA and he's lasted this long. 202 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: He's actually overachieved based upon anybody's reasonable level of expectation. 203 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: So some of it's about expectations more than anything. And 204 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: I think, look, there's a bunch of stuff right, like 205 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: he never shot the ball all that well, and the 206 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: league has really become about shooting more than you like, 207 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: you have to be able to you have to be 208 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: so spectacularly talented to play. If you're not a great shooter, 209 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: then he wasn't a great shooter. Um. I do think 210 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: there was always questions about not as toughness. You're always 211 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: a tough kid. But um, the the amount of work 212 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: and I think that comes from shooting, right is is 213 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: was he really a worker? Then you factor in um 214 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: that he didn't stay at Arizona long to really kind 215 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: of develop his game. Then his mom dies and he's 216 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: a really thoughtful person, like he's not he's not like 217 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: a basketball savage that that doesn't affect him. It does. 218 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: And then he was in a place like Detroit, which 219 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: is totally foreign. They lost a lot he never lost before. 220 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: Like all of these things kind of culminate and he 221 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: hasn't been able to break through and he only the 222 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: most success he saw in Detroit was when they finally 223 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: moved him to the four. Which is kind of interesting 224 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: because especially talking to you, because you know, like when 225 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: he was in high school, here's a point guard, right, like, 226 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: he bring the ball when they need a bucket. They 227 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: had Spencer H. Freedman, but he he would bring it 228 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: up and he would be the point guard when they 229 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: needed a bucket, and you go from that. Everybody wants 230 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: to play down a position, thinking that's what you have 231 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: to do the higher the level you play. But now 232 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: as basketball has kind of evolved or maybe devolved now 233 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: at six ft five, you can play the four. No, 234 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: I think you're you're right on like a lot of 235 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: those counts, Doug, like you know, you you name five 236 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: to ten things that that really factored into stands ability 237 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: to be successful as he'd like to be in the NBA. 238 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: And uh yeah, senior year at Motor Day, he did 239 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: play point guard and he handled the ball, brought it 240 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: up the court. They didn't have Spencer yet. He came 241 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: in the next year, but but they had a solid 242 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: team around him and guys that could shoot in spaces 243 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: for him to get downhill. Um. His his freshman year, 244 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: he played the five, and he kind of worked his 245 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,479 Speaker 1: way backwards towards the one by his senior year. Um. 246 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: But speaking about like the style of basketball that's going 247 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: on right now, I think four was successful for him 248 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: in Detroit because he you know, he's playing in the 249 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: middle of the court and you're playing off clothes outs 250 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: for the most part, either playing on the side off 251 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: the clothes out or in the middle off the close out, 252 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: and guys are recovering to you, Guys are rotating to you, 253 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: and you're not doing as much coming off the wing 254 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: or standing around in the corner, just having to wait 255 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: for the ball to catch and shoot, which I think, 256 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, i'd be speaking for stand right now, but 257 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that was his favorite thing to do. 258 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: And that's the thing that like these young wings coming 259 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: into the NBA UM. I was just talking about it 260 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: with a buddy last night who was probably gonna do 261 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: some pre draft stuff for b d A this coming summer. 262 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: People who are listening, and uh, we were just talking 263 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: about kids coming in and having to instead of looking 264 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: at Paul George and Kawhi Leonard and who they are now, 265 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: looking at Paul George and Kawuhi Leonard as who they 266 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: came in the league and how they developed into who 267 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: they are now and taking the steps one by one 268 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: and being, like you said, a big time shot maker 269 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: who can defend, and then working your way from that 270 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: role into you know whatever you're gonna be at the 271 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: top end, and you know if you end up being 272 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: Robert Covington's like, he might be the most coveted player 273 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: in the NBA right now. Sevent teams every week we're 274 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: trying to trade for Robert Tuvington. And there's nothing wrong 275 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: with that. It's a great point. Okay. So what I 276 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: wanted to have you on for You and I had 277 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: had discussions in the past about developed, about about basketball 278 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: at the developmental level. And when you when you and 279 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: I first met, I saw your workouts and I had 280 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: the people I talked to, you know, like I knew 281 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: Landry Fields really well. Um, and Landry was like, dude, 282 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: she is awesome. He is just great workout guy, like 283 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: really understands the nuances of how to get a shot 284 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: and how to use your body. And and so I 285 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: watched you with younger kids, and you and I talked 286 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: to We were talking about passing and pivoting and and 287 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: some of the kind of the fundamental stuff. And it's 288 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting because there's there's a bunch of layers to it. One, 289 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, summer used summer used to be used to 290 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: be about developed, like summers where young kids used to develop, 291 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: used to go to basketball camps, used to developed. Now, 292 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: almost every basketball camp is just a money maker and 293 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: very few focus on fundamentals. And then now when you 294 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: do when when you we do basketball during the quote 295 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: basketball season, which really lasts all the rest of the year, 296 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: even that is more about a lot of it is 297 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: about more you know, making finishing moves, finishing shots, different 298 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: types of footwork. Whereas I feel like and you tell 299 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: me because you've been actually doing this, uh longer, more recently, 300 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: Like I coached my dad's AU programs going back to 301 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: when we talked about you know, Team Alaska. This is 302 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: like in the early two thousands, and then there was 303 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: like a ten year span where I was and that 304 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: was even that was high school kids with young kids, 305 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: what's what do you think the biggest challenges in terms 306 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: of developing them fundamentally. Um, that's that's a big question 307 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: because it's like there's, ah, how would you put it. 308 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: There's there's a big span of youth. There's a big 309 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: span of youth levels. So you have you have eight 310 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: year olds who are extremely coordinated and can do almost 311 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: all the passing, catching, pivoting. They have an idea of 312 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: how to break the press as a team. They can 313 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: dribble through a press if they need to, and they 314 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: can shoot threes. I think in a lot of ways, 315 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: kids are more skilled and developed than ever. And then 316 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: you have the rec level, and you know, that's what 317 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: we were dealing with down in Newport. I mean you 318 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: were kind of coaching together and doing some skill stuff together. 319 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: A Newport was it was like right between wreck and 320 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: kids getting into the new club level basketball. Club level basketball, 321 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure when you were a kid was like the 322 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: best of the best kids. And now club level basketball 323 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: has become just one step above wreck basketball. And if 324 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: anybody who gets serious at all and they start to 325 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: play club bass wall So I think at the level 326 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: that we were working at um I might have been 327 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: doing things that were advanced for a solid portion of 328 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: the kids. My philosophy on on that level that we 329 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: were working with at that time was okay. So there's 330 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: a there's a one shining moment that kids get when 331 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: they do something new for the first time, and that 332 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: moment is like, how would you put it, It's a 333 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: that moment is exacerbated when they do it in a 334 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: game or in competition. And so a lot of times 335 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: when I'm trying to develop somebody's passion for basketball, which 336 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: is kind of like how I've worked, and you know, 337 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: maybe not everybody has that. You're looking for those one 338 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: shining moments and the really the dopamine hit that makes 339 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: them feel really really good about what they just did. 340 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: And So an example I can give you from our 341 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: time down there is Max Rodgers. You remember Max, So 342 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 1: you know, just by the way I just saw him 343 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: play yesterday, did you how's Max doing? He's doing well, 344 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: He's he he has the move you taught him. You 345 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: taught him. It's like a pass fake to the left 346 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: and like a sweep to the right. And I'm telling you, 347 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: like for a year that was his and it worked 348 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: like every time now and I and my thing was 349 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: I was always like, hey, Max, you know you have 350 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: there's this thing on your left arm, it's a left hand. 351 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: How about we use that every once in a while. 352 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: And now he's going both ways. Yeah, he doesn't play 353 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: for me, but he's he's doing really really well. Nice. 354 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, Mac, And that was exactly the example I 355 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: was gonna get. It was Max as an unstoppable move 356 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: going right and he can make a reverse layup off 357 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: of a little you know, side step for euro step 358 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: or whatever you wanna call it. And to me, that's 359 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: the fuel of it keeps Max going in basketball and 360 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: because he knows that he'll be willing to take some 361 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: hits in terms of learning what you would call the 362 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: more mundane skills of pivoting and passing and jump stopping 363 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: and uh, the basic things that everybody has to learn 364 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: and are probably and are definitely the most fundamental things, 365 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: but nobody really likes to drill out in that way. Um, 366 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you think that I think? 367 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's a great You're you're talking, 368 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: you're basically you're working backwards. I love that, right, It's like, look, 369 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: let me show you the cool stuff and then let's 370 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: let's kind of whereas I was always and and this 371 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: is where I even run into this with my own son, Hayes, 372 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: where he's like dead, we do this passing and pivoting 373 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: every day, and I was like, yeah, because you can't 374 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: do the fun ship unless you do this. Whereas your philosophy, 375 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: which is a very interesting one, is working backwards. It's 376 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: give them the one thing that keeps them coming to 377 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: the gym, and while you're there, you sprinkle in the 378 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: other stuff that makes it makes it hard to teach. 379 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: But right, that's it's a really interesting way of learning. 380 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: I think there's a bunch of levels to it. Um 381 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: some of it is you know, it's like, uh, I 382 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: personally want to give, like my own son, different experiences 383 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: playing for me, not playing for me, playing in with 384 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: teams that play high level tournaments where they press and 385 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: they pressure and it's a little bit more frenetic. It's 386 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: maybe uglier, but it does test kind of their toughness 387 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: and and it it speeds them up because what happens 388 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: is I feel like when they play that wreck level 389 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: or against the lower level, the speed is so much 390 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: slower that they're able to get away with things that 391 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: you can't really get away with when you play real basketball. 392 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: So it's a it's a very hard thing. I also 393 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: find that when you get them and they're in sixth 394 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: or seventh grade, and I even had this a little 395 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: bit in fifth grade, is you you're plugging holes in 396 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: their fundamentals, right somebody, No one taught them how to help. 397 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: No one taught them how to screen. No one taught 398 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: them how to read a screen, even if it's you know, 399 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: off a ball screen, right, they may know against the 400 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: cone to come off and shoot, but what happens when 401 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: that guy hedges out hard? They don't they don't know yet. 402 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: And um, some of it you can only get when 403 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: they play games, and you can only get when they 404 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: get embarrassed in those games because they gotta learned to 405 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: break a press. So I feel, I think it's really hard. 406 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: This is this is really kind of the embodiment of 407 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: my conversation with Kobe, which is, how do you how 408 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: do you teach kids? Because yes, the way in which 409 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: we were taught was more fundamentals, but the game has 410 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: evolved some so I don't ever, I almost never teach 411 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: post play. I just don't. Um, I do teach finishing shots. 412 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: I teach them to to what I've done is uh, 413 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: just when they're practicing shots around the basket, they do 414 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: it off both feet with both hands, all different sorts 415 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: of angles, and it's just about volume of makes around 416 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: the basket with either hand. But how you teach them, like, 417 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: I think you do an incredible job of teaching guys 418 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: those the different footwork it takes to get those shots off. Now, 419 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: whereas that wasn't the way that I was taught and 420 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: it's something that I'm even learning on the fly. Yeah. Well, 421 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: I think you make a really good point about the 422 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: style of basketball being different, and how when you play 423 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: at the at the higher club levels, you're essentially playing 424 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: like both teams were pressing. That's the you know in 425 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: med school, that's that's like you know, by all one 426 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: on one where this is where we're going to vet 427 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: the kids and some kids are going to be able 428 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: to deal with the pressure and some kids are gonna 429 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: have to figure it out. And I mean, so there's 430 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: this thing called Made Hoops and it's a Nike sponsored 431 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: event and it's seven and eight great players, and it's 432 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: like all the the e y b L teams have 433 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: their younger teams and some teams get in, but it's 434 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: all the best kids. For the most part in the country, 435 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: every team presses all game long until both teams, like 436 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: both teams can break the pressing scorned every time, and 437 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: that's the only time the pressing stops. So with that 438 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: being said, the premium is on and making shots, because 439 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: if you make shots, you get teams out of the 440 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: press being able to handle the ball and be comfortable 441 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: with the ball with two people on you UM and 442 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: being able to be calm or even if you have 443 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 1: to pick up your drivel, being able to be calm, pivot, 444 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: make tough passes um, and then finishing downhill or making 445 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: a decision on the move downhill fast. Uh. And I 446 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: think offensively, if you can do those things and you're 447 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: comfortable with those things that at a fast pace, you 448 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: can play against pressure and you'll be all right kind 449 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: of no matter where you go and use basketball, and 450 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: and then you work in you know the what what 451 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: used to be the most important fundamentals of you know, 452 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: making a catch on the wing with with somebody denying you, 453 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: reading a down screen, um, reading a ball screen um. 454 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: But those things don't even come into play really at 455 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 1: the higher levels of youth basketball. And until you can 456 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: break the pressure and break the press and be comfortable 457 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: playing at a really high that's that's a great point. 458 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: I I do this drill. And so my dad used 459 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: to do something he called escape drill, which was which 460 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: was you would have three defenders, two guys, and you 461 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: throw you the ball and you had to break the 462 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: break the two guys, but break it on the dribble. Um. 463 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: He was big on he was big on. You break 464 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: it on the dribble. Don't break it on the past, 465 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: because uh, you have to learn to break it on 466 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: the You break on the dribble, and then the second 467 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: the third defender comes at you, that's when you find 468 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: your teammate. And your teammate has to also find the opening. 469 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: So what I do is instead is I do UM. 470 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: I put him in half of the court and I 471 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: and I give one guy the ball, put two defenders 472 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: on there, and I said, you got thirty seconds. The 473 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: defense can double team. You do whatever you want, and 474 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: you have to All you have to do is dribble 475 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: the ball and not lose it for thirty seconds. And 476 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: almost none of them are able to do it because 477 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: they still but you watch they get they get better 478 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: and better. I I agree with you, and you know 479 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: what's here's what's funny. I did Arizon the State USC 480 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: on the weekend, and USC dominated the first half, up 481 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 1: thirteen the first half. In the second half, UM they 482 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: didn't finish on a couple two on ones, but Arizona 483 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: State basically got back into the game and won the game. 484 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: They did not make a fuel goal for eleven the 485 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: last eleven minutes until the very final shot. They won 486 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: the game because they're they basically pressed, running jump press 487 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: the entire second half on makes and USC just kind 488 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: of shipped the bed and and couldn't break couldn't consistently 489 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: break through the pressure. They turned the ball over twenty 490 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: four times. And I was like, this is this is 491 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: what it's like to coach au basketball, right where either 492 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: you break the press and you make them pay and 493 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: you have to score against the press, or they're gonna 494 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: keep pressing and they're gonna crank it up and and 495 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: this is what happens. And that is exactly what happens 496 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: out there. And it will be half court, it will 497 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: be full court, but they keep coming. And it's not 498 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: until you can slow the ball down and control the game. 499 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: It's until you score on the press and show them 500 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: that you're gonna score, like you're gonna damage them for 501 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: for taking the risk of putting the backside, you know, 502 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: in a four on three or a three on two 503 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: or whatever it is. Um, yeah, that's a really good point. Yeah. 504 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: And it's and then it's hard because you have you know, 505 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: you have uh if you have especially like suburban kids, 506 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: regardless of race, you have suburban kids like they're just 507 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: not used to. You get some kids, they're just dogs 508 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: and they're gonna they're gonna and you know, especially at 509 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: you games, they can only call so many fouls. They're 510 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: not gonna call foul every time, you know. And either 511 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna compete and you're gonna, you know, fight fire 512 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: with fire, or you're or you're not. Do you have 513 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: a way in which you um Do you have a 514 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 1: way in which you you teach kids how to break pressure? 515 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: I basically do what you do. Joke. I don't think 516 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: there's reinventing the wheel out here. So I run a 517 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 1: it's like a non traditional education option for kids, like 518 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: you know, fourth to eighth grade. We want to specialize 519 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: in basketball. So every single day we play one on 520 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: two in a like you know how a big full 521 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: port will be cut into two smaller That's what this 522 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 1: is what I do. Yes, I we don't play one 523 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: of them. I like that every single day we play 524 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,239 Speaker 1: one on two because one, I think like we can 525 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: dribble through cones and everything, but you're not gonna get 526 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: the variants of ball handling skills and the contact and 527 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: like the necessity of using your shoulders and hips and 528 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: footwork and splitting and all the different things that you 529 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: get in a one on two situations, And like you said, 530 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: you can see them and I have them trying to 531 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: score because, like you know, a one on two, if 532 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: you do a good job of it, it ends up 533 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: being like pick and rolls someone and chasing you from 534 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: behind and you're playing against a big um. So I 535 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: have to try and have them score. And one it 536 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 1: helps defensively because kids don't know how to make a 537 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: box and keep a box. And when they get good 538 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: at it, they can talk to each other like, you know, hey, 539 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: get over on that side, or they get beat and 540 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: they're like, hey, take me on the other side. And 541 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: the other one has to you know, run all the 542 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: way back to cut off and recreate at the box. 543 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: And then offensively, like I said, there's there's nothing like 544 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: it for your ball and handling. There's no drill I 545 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: can give a kid that's going to help them as 546 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: much as one too. That's awesome. Uh, if you could 547 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: change one thing about youth basketball, what would it be? 548 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: If I could change one thing about youth basketball, it 549 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: would be uh, and this would how would I put it? 550 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: I would change the I would change. This is gonna 551 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: sound silly. UM. I would change the compartmentalization of the levels. 552 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: So right now, the elite high school players only play 553 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: against each other and they're separated from the college players 554 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: and the pro players. And I think they like youth levels, 555 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: are certain that they at the lowest youth levels wreck 556 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: UM club and the elite players. It is what it is, 557 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: and it's going to be fine. And you have the 558 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: vetting system of the speed, but I think that's the 559 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: vetting system is a good system, UM. And I think 560 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: players are more skilled and more developed than ever as 561 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: far as they're shooting and ball handling and decision making 562 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: on the fly. I would change. I would create a 563 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: what would you do if I could do anything like 564 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: carve Blanche, I would create kind of like the G League, 565 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: but I would create tears to the G League where 566 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: it went all the way down, almost like a European 567 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: pro system, to where you could have kids that were 568 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: I mean, fourteen is a stretch, but we're talking like fifteen, definitely, sixteen, seventeen, 569 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: eighteen years old mixing in with older players, UM all 570 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: the way up to you know, think of his college 571 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: players two and then even some of the lower level 572 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: proso or guys are in the G League, and I 573 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: shouldn't say low level pros because the G League is 574 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: really good. And I think that would take care of 575 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: a lot of the psychological issues that play grassroots basketball 576 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: at the amateur level. I don't think it's possible, but 577 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: that would be like if I could snap my fingers 578 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: and do anything, that's what I would do. Since you're interesting, 579 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: Um I would I think if I could do. I 580 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: hate I don't hate the idea, the vetting part of 581 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: the pressure right because it's this is it's funny. I have. 582 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: I have daughters at ride horses and my son, um well, 583 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: when he plays football, he plays baseball, and it's believe 584 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: it or not, like for basketball parents who are listening, 585 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: it is all the same. It's like, um, my daughter 586 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: who rides you know, there was a time in which 587 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: she was tentative about bigger horses or horses that are 588 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: a little bit too fast they can take off on you. 589 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: And I was like, look, it's okay. If if you 590 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: if you're if you're scared, okay. When we use the 591 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: term scared as a complete as as always a negative term, 592 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: but there's no real other way to a scow. You 593 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: want to use a lighter term like hesitant, you know whatever, 594 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: If you're scared, you're hesitant, scared, it's okay. Like you're scared, 595 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: you have fear. If you have fear, everybody has fear, 596 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: Like even the best riders are are afraid. But it's 597 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: how you process that fear. If that limits you from 598 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: doing what you know how to do on a horse 599 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: in a show, well then there's just nothing. There's nothing 600 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: we can do. There's no coach who can maginatively do it. 601 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: In baseball, if you're scared of the ball, all right, 602 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: if you're scared of the ball, at some point, there's 603 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: nothing we can do. You know, I can get I 604 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: can take you to the greatest hitting instructor there is. 605 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: I can take you to the you know, the greatest 606 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: coaches you know, get you. The best bat gets you, 607 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: the best batting gloves, get you in elbow pad. Whatever 608 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: you're scared of the ball doesn't matter. Okay, you can't 609 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: play high level baseball because that ship is coming in 610 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: at ninety or it's coming at eight five, and it 611 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: might look like it's coming at your ear or and 612 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: curve in for a strike like you're everyone's going No 613 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: one likes to get hit by a baseball, But either 614 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: can process the fear and make it, make you understand 615 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do and do it, or you can't. 616 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: In basketball, either you can break pressure and play through 617 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: contact and play against physical competition, or you can't. And 618 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: if you can't, it's okay, but it's gonna limit the 619 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: level you're playing it. So it's not that I don't 620 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: like pressure and and kind and and physicality. Defensively, I 621 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: would say that I think we'd be smarter um to 622 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: limit the use of zone right and limit the full 623 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: court pressure to whether it's the second half or the 624 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: fourth quarter, just away in which because and look, some 625 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: of this is selfish, because I know, like if I 626 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: have it, if I have a group of kids for 627 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: a month or two months and we run offense, we're 628 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: gonna get any shot we want, because I know how 629 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: to teach it, I know how they can move, and 630 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: I can play to their skills. But I also think 631 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: though that we're like, like, look, every team I play against, 632 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: almost every team, they'll press and then they'll run like 633 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: a one to two zone. And even the zones aren't 634 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: really sound in terms of how they know when you 635 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: get to playing real basketball where where you're covering people, 636 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, you're covering your area and you're bumping your 637 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: guy back. All that they're just pressure pressure, pressure, pressure 638 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: pressure in the zone. And it doesn't teach a kid 639 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: how to guard somebody, how to guard a ball screen, 640 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: or how to play off a ball screen, how to 641 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: playoff penetration, all of those things that we need because truthfully, 642 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: most high level basketball is man and man concepts. We're 643 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: we're we are skipping that and then we're and then 644 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: backfilling once they get to high school or they get 645 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: to college. That would be my adjustment is if they're 646 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: way at the high level, not to eliminate the pressure, 647 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: but to to make it where it's it can't be 648 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: the whole game, because you know, it just kind of 649 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: just becomes pressed to a shot, pressed to a shot 650 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: with one to two zone, you know, one pass into 651 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: the high post, kick it out if they you know, 652 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: when you rebound, they just kind of trapped the basketball. 653 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: It's it's not great, and I do think it could 654 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: be better, and we could, we could some of that 655 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: skill stuff that you point out you don't actually even 656 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: need to teach because they don't they can't use it 657 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: in the games. Let me uh on like side notes, 658 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: Dougs Doug's horns package for ten year old is an 659 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: elite horne package like you're when they go, man, you 660 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: really are getting whatever shot you want and the kids 661 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: don't even have to be that skilled yet it's pretty funny. Um, 662 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: I've stolen some of that stuff. Um, but no, to 663 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: agree with you. The zone thing is my least favorite 664 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: because you don't even have to be good at pressuring 665 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: to do the zone thing before twelve you and even 666 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: sometimes the twelve you, the kids can't throw. And one 667 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: of your biggest weapons against a zone where they're going 668 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: to load up on the ball side is the skit 669 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: and they can't throw. That's that's my that's my problem 670 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: with my with with my son Hayes is that he 671 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: now knows that we're looking to skip. You know. The 672 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: big thing I've I've I've changed and different from like 673 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: my dad whatever is you know now every day we 674 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: were go on getting the lane jump stopping looking opposite, 675 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: but also you know, and when we get a fake 676 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: a pass, makeup pass, but we want to throw that 677 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: skip past. But my son is just not strong enough. 678 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: He's just he's a little ten year old, you know, 679 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,399 Speaker 1: and he's gotta get he's gotta get stronger. You're you're 680 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: totally right. And and you know, when teams are putting 681 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: three guys on the ball, you throw it to skip pass. 682 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: I mean it's not it's not even like you said, 683 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: a real zone. Heywa, go ahead, I'm sorry, No, it's 684 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: it's good. It's uh. And and when you know on 685 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: teams that are gonna play zone, if you can't skip, 686 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: you have to play checkers essentially, and you have to 687 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: have the cutters and people moving and someone catching it 688 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: in the middle. And kids like to catch it in 689 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: the middle like they like to get hit in the 690 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: back of the head because all of a sudden everybody's 691 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: collapsed on them, and fake a pass to makeup passes 692 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: about three times harder. They're just not very good at it. 693 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: And there's no really way to drill it outside of 694 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: your basic monkey in the middle type drills. That's not 695 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: getting you a game situation in the way that you 696 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: need it. And so like zone is, I agree with 697 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: you his zone is. It's really the worst because it's 698 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: a if there was and I'm not a big fan 699 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 1: of regulating regulating play too. It sucks because I even 700 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: think about But that would be the one thing that 701 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,439 Speaker 1: I definitely agree with you. The pressing. It's I mean, 702 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: all the best presses that I see from elite youth 703 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: basketball end up being man to man running jump style presses. Um. 704 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: A lot of the good teams figure out how to 705 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: beat zone presses because they figure out that you know 706 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: that checkers style pass past pass, or their guard is 707 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: good enough to just like run straight through the gaps 708 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: in the zone. UM. But yeah, definitely the zone stuff, 709 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: the half court zone. I'm gonna sit back and just 710 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: make your eleven year old shoot threes and passed around 711 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: the perimeter because no one's good enough to skip it. 712 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: No one's experience experienced enough to play checkers. I have 713 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: two more. Go ahead, go ahead, I have to have 714 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: two more. Two more for you? Okay? Uh, Well, as 715 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: you said you do pre draft, you do out of 716 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: season's tough with NBA players, with collegiate players as well. 717 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: What's the biggest challenge with those guys? What is because 718 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: this is a completely different level now, what what is 719 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: the um? And because as you said, you've been doing 720 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: it since two thousand eleven. Now we're you know, nine 721 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: ten years and ten years into doing it. UM, what 722 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: is what maybe what's changed the most in this last 723 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: decade of doing it? UM. I think I'll take both things, 724 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: the changes and the challenge is the biggest changes. The 725 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: premium on shot making and shot making was a big 726 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: deal inleven, but it's not what it is now, Like, 727 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, getting guys to get comfortable shooting threes, trying 728 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: to get them comfortable shooting threes in games, especially when 729 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: they're a transition type player like a Stanley Johnson. Another 730 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: guy I've had recently who has been making that transition 731 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: to being a higher volume three point shooter, Ben Moore, 732 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: who's like like the best cutter and offensive rebounder in 733 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: the G League right now yea from SMU. He's still 734 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to consistently get his threes up, 735 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: and you know, I think he's making progress, um. But 736 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: that's one of the biggest challenges or the biggest changes, 737 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: is the volume of three guys have to shoot to 738 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: play the guard in the wing spot and even the 739 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: big spot now. But the biggest challenge I think is 740 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: consistent buy in and the there's so many voices coming 741 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: at these elite level players that you walk in guilty 742 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: until proven innocent in terms of your you know, like 743 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: your credibility and your ability to teach, and whether or 744 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: not what you're going to be having them do is 745 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: worthwhile because a lot of these guys, you know, there's 746 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: people just like hammering at their doorstep to be the 747 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: guy that rebounds the ball for him, and so creating 748 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: rapport and getting them to buy into the ideas that 749 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: you're bringing to them, and giving them to buy into 750 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: their individual development and outside of the team, outside of 751 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 1: what their agent wants, form, outside of what their crew 752 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: or their family is talking about, and taking ownership of 753 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: their game. That that seems to be consistently the biggest challenge. 754 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: Last thing you said, you run it's a non traditional 755 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: uh education program work got kids that want to be 756 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: great at basketball for fourth through eighth grade. How does 757 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 1: that work? Yeah, so I started like three years ago. Well, 758 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: we we did the pilot four years ago. Um and 759 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: uh we had three kids and we were kind of 760 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: helping proxy their homeschool and their online public charter school education, 761 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: and I was doing their basketball training every day. So 762 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: The next year, we started a nonprofit and we got 763 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: a classroom and we coordinated with a performance coach, and 764 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: I got two ladies that we're Actually one of them 765 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: was working at the Boys and Girls Club. UM. I 766 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,399 Speaker 1: kind of recruited her away from the Boys and Girls Club. 767 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: She's because she's great with programming to help me run 768 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: the program. And so now I have we have like too. 769 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: We have an executive director and uh like a learning 770 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: coach who does daily activities with the kids. We have 771 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: like thirty kids. They show up at nine am, they 772 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: stay until four pm. They do their education every day 773 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: like you would have kids would have PE. We do 774 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: two hours of basketball skills training and then twice a 775 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: week we do performance training. We have a wellness curriculum 776 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: we run twice a week for forty five minutes where 777 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: they're learning about UM. I guess you'd say like mindfulness, 778 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: like financial literacy, things you don't really have in your 779 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: core subjects in school. We do some yoga and the wellness. Uh. 780 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: We have projects and like deal trips we go on. 781 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,720 Speaker 1: We went to u c L a specific design center 782 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: at the Grammy Museum. Every year we go to Nike 783 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: and we do kind of a project where kids read 784 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: Shoot Dog, do a little project on shoot Dog, We 785 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: tour the Niegati campus and then go watch hoops on 786 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: it um, and then we proxy their education. Um. And 787 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: we have a lot of different education entities were we 788 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 1: work with. A lot of them are public online charter 789 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: schools or correspondence programs where kids go a couple of 790 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: days a week to school and then come a couple 791 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: of days a week to us. And so we have 792 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: thirty kids now. Um, we're growing in a decent clip. Um, 793 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: we're probably getting close to capacity because I mean it's 794 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: it's like multi grade, so we have all sorts of 795 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: different grades in there. Um. But it's been cool. Um. 796 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: We have a lot of hold back kids. I know, 797 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,439 Speaker 1: I know you did that and I wanted to ask 798 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: you about that, Um, your experience of holding back um 799 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: and you know kind of the culture of holding back 800 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: now and what you think about it all. So and 801 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: this is this is obvious, this is awesome. So we 802 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: don't know if we got the idea through Todd Bernovich. 803 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: Uh Of was Todd's dad. Marv was a trainer and 804 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,959 Speaker 1: Todd is uh It was now an artist. Of course, 805 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: the former first round draft pick and starting quarterback with 806 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: the Raiders. His his drug problems have been well documented, 807 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,320 Speaker 1: but was a h He was also a great basketball player. 808 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: He was one of the first holdbacks in Orange County. 809 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: Now I was a hold back. My brother probably should 810 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: have been. My brother was a March birthday, much like 811 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 1: my son, and he was like my son, little and 812 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: probably a late developer. So my brother graduated high school 813 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: and just turned eighteen, and he had some low D 814 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: one offers and he chose to walk on at u 815 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: c l A. Didn't make the team, and then he 816 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: ended up playing as a walk on a drake for 817 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: a couple of years. Going back in his degree from 818 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 1: u c l A. Has been a college basketball coach 819 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: ever since. Um, I I knew I was gonna hold 820 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: be held back in eighth grade. It was a big fight, 821 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: honestly between my parents and between my dad and the 822 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: and the district in the city of Orange and um, 823 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: but he just like, look this, I my dad grew 824 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: late and he wasn't big, but he's like I developed late. 825 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: My kids are gonna develop late. This is what I 826 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: want to do, and this is what we're gonna do. So, uh, 827 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 1: that first year in eighth grade. I was kind of 828 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: a funk up because I knew I was gonna stay back, right, 829 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I did school and all kinds of stupid stuff. 830 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: Was like, dude, I'm taking this next year, and it 831 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: was it was not a great year for me with 832 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: even with my dad, because here he is, you know, 833 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: fighting everybody to have me stay back, and yet um 834 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: uh and yet uh. I wasn't really I was. I 835 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: knew I was staying back, so I didn't really I 836 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 1: didn't care, you know, I was just like, I'm gonna 837 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: do whatever. I stayed back. I went to So I 838 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: grew up in the city of Orange. I went to 839 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,320 Speaker 1: three different middle schools in the city of Orange. My 840 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: first year was McPherson, which closed down UM and combined 841 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: with Santiago and then all those kids went to Almadina 842 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 1: High School. I went to Yorba Middle School my third 843 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: year of uh middle school seventh and eighth, So this 844 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 1: is my second year of eighth grade. It was across town, 845 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: so I didn't really know anybody that middle school fed 846 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,879 Speaker 1: Orange School. And so I went to three different middle 847 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: schools in three years. And if you factor in my 848 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,760 Speaker 1: elementary school in sixth grade, Levita and my high school Tustin, 849 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: which we actually went out of district to go to. UH, 850 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: like one, I was the the ultimate school hopper, right, 851 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: five schools in five years. And I was like, I'd 852 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 1: be a hypocrite if I said, you know, parents picking 853 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: out schools for the kids is some sort of is 854 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 1: always a negative. I finished eighth grade the first year 855 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: I was five ft five a half inch a hundred 856 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: and five pounds. And when I um, when I started 857 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: high school fifteen months later tested night school, I was 858 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: roughly five like a hundred pounds, So I obviously was 859 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: a big year of growth. UH. During that year, obviously 860 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 1: trained with my dad. I practiced with Pat Barrett's AU team, 861 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: which had Jason Jason Hart and Shake Cotton. Um it 862 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 1: was the best. Uh, it was the best. UH. I 863 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,719 Speaker 1: think there was seventh Raiders at the time. And then 864 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 1: I played with a team out of Compton, I think 865 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: it was called B Ball or Team l A or whatever. 866 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: And I played in the eighth grade league in in 867 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: like downtown l A. And then I played in some 868 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 1: Orange County league you know, um, and and that that's 869 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: what I did to stay back and look after my 870 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: sophomore year. Going into my junior year, I went to 871 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: a B C D camp and I was okay. I 872 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: was being recruited by mostly mid majors, the Western Kentuckies 873 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,359 Speaker 1: of the world. But you fast forward to a year later. 874 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: So if I, if I had graduated at eighteen like 875 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: everyone else, I would have been a load uh mid 876 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 1: major too, maybe you know, a Washington State type of player. Um. Instead, 877 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,880 Speaker 1: I was recorded by everybody you know U C l A, 878 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 1: Yukon Florida. I chose Notre Dame or whatever, and I 879 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: was a magic on the Magic Stall American game. As 880 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: a replacement for Chauncey Billups. I was, you know, one 881 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 1: of top fifty players in the country and I graduated 882 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: nineteen years old. Additionally, I thought it really helped me, 883 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 1: not just in terms of the level of scholarship, but 884 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: my ability to play right away. And here's why I so, 885 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 1: I graduated high school about one fifty five. I was 886 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: one sixty when I arrived at Notre Dame. I was 887 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: one seventies seven. For my first game at Notre Dame, 888 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, creating, weightlifting, whatever. But part of it is 889 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: like your body goes through a different process of maturing. 890 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: First you grow, and then you've got to get those 891 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: man muscles. Had I even if I was recruited at 892 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: a high major level at at eighteen, my body wouldn't 893 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 1: have fully developed until my sophomore year, so I probably 894 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't have played from it, whereas now I started four 895 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: years in college now because I transferred and then sat 896 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: out another year at Golden Last, I finished college at 897 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,840 Speaker 1: twenty four. But you know, so that might hurt you 898 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: for the NBA or something because you're like, they feel 899 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,400 Speaker 1: like you're fully developed. But yeah, like I'm up for 900 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: the right kid, especially late Bloomer. I'm a proponent of 901 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,840 Speaker 1: most kids and might you know, it's a it's a 902 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: discussion we've had about my own son. And the hard 903 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 1: part is your friends are going to go on and 904 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,439 Speaker 1: go to the same high school and you're probably not. 905 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 1: And that's that's the to me. That's the only real 906 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: negative too, It is if you grew up in one 907 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,759 Speaker 1: area with one group of kids playing. I still played 908 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: in the same AU team with for my dad and 909 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 1: just you know, by my senior year we had new guys. 910 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 1: But I grew up playing with Miles Simon and j R. 911 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 1: Henderson and Kriston Johnson. They all went and played in 912 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:30,359 Speaker 1: college and then I had one more year high school. Yeah, 913 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 1: I mean that's it's the standard now really, and it's 914 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,080 Speaker 1: it's you know, I think you're right. A lot of 915 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: times it should be used for, you know, kids, the 916 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 1: right kind of kid who's developing late. I think now 917 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: it's a tool that's used almost exclusively for confidence. Like 918 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,279 Speaker 1: late development is a byproduct, but the confidence that it 919 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 1: gives kids going into their freshman year bigger, stronger, faster, 920 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 1: having dominated eighth grade if they went through it a 921 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,319 Speaker 1: second time, or even having played better in eighth grade, 922 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: if if they weren't a dominant player. Um to begin with. Uh, 923 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: people just really they do well with that. And if 924 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: you look at a Devon, ask you who actually reclassed 925 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,320 Speaker 1: back to his original class. Same thing with Nick o'mannon 926 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: at Arizona reclass in eighth grade and then re reclassed 927 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,799 Speaker 1: from his junior year in his junior year back to 928 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: his original class. People having a lot of success with it, um, 929 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,279 Speaker 1: And I think it's going to start to spread out, 930 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,839 Speaker 1: you know, moved throughout the country, even though it kind 931 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,160 Speaker 1: of started in this area, Like you said, with Marinovich 932 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: and I knew about it from Mike Garretty, who did 933 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: it kind of infamously a modern day came in and 934 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,000 Speaker 1: started as a freshman. Um. But yeah, it's it's it's 935 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: almost the standard. Now. Do you know what number of 936 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 1: Mike Garretty wore? What numbers Mike were? Do you know 937 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: why we got you two, Doug? Yeah, Mike was. Mike 938 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 1: was like he was like little. He was like a 939 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: little ship, like four. I don't know, he's like maybe 940 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: sixth grade or every but he's tiny and used to 941 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,280 Speaker 1: come to our workouts. We used to work out Sundays 942 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,759 Speaker 1: at Woodbridge High School and Mike would show up and 943 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: his dad would drop off, and he work out with 944 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,839 Speaker 1: the with the high school of freshman eighth graders or whatever, 945 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,279 Speaker 1: and he would stay and he would just try and 946 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: hop in whenever he could. And yeah, now he's become 947 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, then he obviously plays played in college and 948 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,800 Speaker 1: and um, now he's now he's workout but with Cleveland 949 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 1: in the NBA, and uh is unbelievable what he does. 950 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, so it's it's it's really interesting that the 951 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 1: ties that hey, look, um, how can somebody who is 952 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 1: interested in your program get ahold of you or learn 953 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 1: more about what you're doing. Um So for my training 954 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,279 Speaker 1: or or my skill development stuff, you can go to 955 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 1: Crazy Skills dot com f R A Z E E 956 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,799 Speaker 1: Skills dot com for the non traditional education program. It's 957 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,520 Speaker 1: called A B A Above and Beyond the out of Me. Uh, 958 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 1: that's at A B A Nation dot com. And so yeah, 959 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,279 Speaker 1: that's where you can reach me. He's great to catch 960 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 1: out with you, dude. I'm glad we got to do this. Uh, 961 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 1: let's talk more offline and uh and uh, you know 962 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 1: the best part is we both have a total passion 963 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: for not just the sport, but the kids in the sport. 964 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: And I really appreciate you joining us in the All 965 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:28,160 Speaker 1: Ball podcast. Hey, Doud, I appreciate you having me on man. 966 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,840 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's it's great to talk to you. You know. 967 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,399 Speaker 1: I'm basketball lifers like you and me. There's nothing better 968 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 1: than that. And yeah, let's get Hayes out there to 969 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,520 Speaker 1: a workout sometime soon. I haven't seen him in a while. 970 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,879 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug 971 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 1: gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. 972 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: All right, that's it for All BA I hope you 973 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,920 Speaker 1: enjoyed that one A little bit different, right talking you 974 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,120 Speaker 1: tubs will continue to do that. I have friends that 975 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: call me and asked my my opinion all the time. 976 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,239 Speaker 1: And of you who listened to this podcast, I don't 977 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: know if that helped you. We'll want talk more about 978 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,640 Speaker 1: y B y L and some of the other stuff 979 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,120 Speaker 1: coming up in camps. Actually, you know what, We'll do 980 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 1: a podcast here have coming the next a couple of 981 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: weeks where we'll try and find the best youth basketball camps, 982 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,239 Speaker 1: talk about my camp experiences, some oftimes I got in 983 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,400 Speaker 1: trouble as well. Anyway, thanks so much for listening and 984 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,799 Speaker 1: for downloading. Always appreciate you being a part of All 985 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 1: Ball