1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on Giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: dot Com. Were on the Giants Moles, part of the 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to another edition of the Giant 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Huttle podcast, brought to you by psc and G Energy Efficiency. 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: For game time and anytime, visit PSEG dot com slash 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: Giants for discounts, rebates and all energy assessments. In today's 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: Giants Huddle is field Gate to ESPN. You'll see him 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: on NFL Live. They're various other NFL coverage, and of 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: course he plays the role of Mills Lane on First 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: Draft between Kiper and McShay on ESPN's Draft podcast. Say 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: you're a little older field, you get the Mills Lanes reference. 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: I'm feeling our younger viewers of no idea who Mills 13 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: Lane is? You know what? That's what Wikipedia is for, 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: right John, Let's get it on, all right, let's go um, 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: all right, So let's talk to the draft here. You 16 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: have a chance to talk to to to Mel and Todd, 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, every week on first first Draft, and you 18 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: kind of hear from them and through them what the 19 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: NFL was thinking and compared to maybe what the media 20 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: and the consensus is thinking. So as you've spoken to 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: them over the past couple of weeks and we've had 22 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: more of these pro days, we've gone through the Combine 23 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: and the Senior Bowl. Were some of the players that 24 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: you've sent some movement from in terms of how maybe 25 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: the league has shifted their thinking as opposed to what 26 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: the consensus is from the media folks. All right, so 27 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: I'll give you a few names, but I will start 28 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: by saying this is that it's been really interesting to 29 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: hear the value that mel Kiper might place on a 30 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: pro day as opposed to Todd McShay. You mean no 31 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: value at all for mel now, there's absolutely no value. 32 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: They mean nothing whatsoever. It's complete waste of time. It's 33 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: this is like, you know, it's like quarterbacks become show 34 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: ponies for these for these pro days. Right, you know, 35 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: Todd who actually may who was actually at the three 36 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: pro days of note the week prior to the conversation 37 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: when you and I are having you and I are 38 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: having right now in succession, it was Ohio State, Alabama, 39 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: and then Kentucky for C. J. Stroud, Bryce Young, and 40 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: then Will Levis respectively. He likes to take note of 41 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: not just what takes place on the field, which of 42 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: course is the perfect atmosphere for the quarterbacks to throw. 43 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: But also who was there, Like our teams have an 44 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: obvious quarterback need there or not there? Is that the GM, 45 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: is that an area scout? Is it one coach? Is 46 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: that five coaches? Is the owner there? As was the 47 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: case with the Carolina Panthers at those three pro days. 48 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: Is there a private dinner or dinners the night before? 49 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: All this sort of stuff that you won't see on 50 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: the camera that might be a little tiny bit of 51 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: context that can't help us as we get closer and 52 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: closer to the next stages of the NFL pre draft 53 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: evaluation process. But a couple of names that I have sensed, 54 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: especially from mel are moving up. I'll give you two. 55 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: And I think that I always wouldn't be careful in 56 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: saying that these guys are moving up or moving down, 57 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: because I'm viewing it through their prism and someone else 58 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: who's listening to this or is a huge draffiic maybe 59 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: saying like I've been on that guy or off that 60 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: guy for weeks or months. But two names that I 61 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: think I've seen some variants on. One is Will mcconno, 62 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: the fourth from Iowa State, who slid to twenty four 63 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: in Mel's most recent recent mock. He was previously eighth 64 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: overall to the Atlanta Falcons, and that a slide, But 65 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: I think it's actually not reflective of how Mel views him. 66 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: I think Mail feels as though he is a first 67 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: round lock, or at least close to it, while some 68 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: others have not been as I would say, steadfast in 69 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: their belief that when we thought of the fourth is 70 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: going to be a first round pick. He had not 71 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: necessarily a dominant year in terms of sack production this 72 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: past season at Iowa State. And it's good trades, more linear, 73 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: sort of wiry, strong guy. But you need a lot 74 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: of pass rushers in the NFL, and this edge class 75 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: is considered fairly deep. And then the other one is 76 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: Emmanual Forbes, who I feel like every time I talk 77 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: to Mel he gets more and more bullish on the 78 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: Mississippi State cornerback. His tapes great man, his tastes awesome. Yeah, 79 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: fourteen picks over the past three seasons. He is a superb. 80 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: His tremendous on ball production is just the stuff that 81 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: catches your eyes. But the problem with Emmanuel Forbes, if 82 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: there is a problem. He's one hundred and sixty six 83 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: pounds at the combine, and usually at the combine, if 84 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: you're a skinny guy, you're trying to get If you're 85 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: a big guy, you're trying to get leaner. So the 86 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: big guys tend to be a little bit leaner than 87 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: they actually are, and the skinny guys tend to be 88 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: a bit heavier than they actually are. So if Emanual 89 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: Forbes one hundred and sixty six pounds when he's put 90 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: on weight, that could like that's a stick figure for 91 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: the NFL. Right, excuse me, but I will say didn't 92 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: really impact him during his college playing days. I don't 93 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: know the coverage. I'm sorry tackling was a liability for 94 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Forbes, but I think he's got a chance to 95 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: be a first round cornerback. I'd argue that, I know 96 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: everybody talks about the tight end depth. The cornerback class 97 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: maybe the most intriguing to me in this year's group, 98 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: just because I do think there's like four or five 99 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: guys who in most years are going in the first round. 100 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: It's not just because how the other positions are filled. 101 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: This season, all right, we kind of just talked about 102 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: two guys in size, right, Will McDonald a little bit 103 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: of a mcmcdonald, a little bit of an undersized edge, 104 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: and then you have Forbes who's an undersized cornerback. Two 105 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: defensive tackles who I think are interesting, And I wonder 106 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: what order they're gonna on on draft day because right 107 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: now there's a group that think Kalija cans he's a 108 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: top fifteen, top twenty pick yea, and then another group 109 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: that thinks, all right, maybe front end of the second round. 110 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: Then you have the Northwestern kid at a Tom Away 111 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: at a bare who has really come on strong on 112 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: the post draft process. Maybe his tape not first round tape, 113 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: but he's blown it out of the water with the testing, 114 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: the interviews and all that stuff. How do you think 115 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: those two guys are gonna fall here? Are they gonna 116 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: break into the top twenty? Will both go in the 117 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: first round? One neither from what you're hearing from Melantada 118 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: and just your take two being someone that obviously you 119 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: know has worked in the league and study tape. Think 120 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: of those two guys and how they're going to translate 121 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: into the NFL. Yeah, I think at a Tamoa Auta bare, 122 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,119 Speaker 1: which is a difficult name to say, but I feel 123 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: like as it's almost like practice for me getting closer 124 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: and closer to the draft, right, and it's he's a 125 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: great player. I thought. Is the problem with when you're 126 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: watching Northwestern is that, like, there are weeks in which 127 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: they are competitive, they have often played above their their 128 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: overall talent level would suggest this year was kind of 129 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: a down season though, and so some of the games 130 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: in which they kind of just get white out, You're like, 131 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: how much can you really take from that player's tape 132 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: on a game or any game in which you know 133 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: the other players and the roster didn't really give him 134 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: much in the way of support, but held up well 135 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: against Ohio State and both of those players, as you mentioned, 136 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: undersized defensive tackles, which you know, the problem when you 137 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: try to compare these guys to someone like Aaron Donald 138 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: is that, like the outliers should never be the baseline, 139 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: but it's one, one, one of one. It's it's inspiration though, right. 140 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: It gives you a sort of the idea of concept, 141 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: like hey, just because he's not six four, it doesn't 142 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: mean that he can't succeed in the NFL, leverage is 143 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: always going to be a great strength for them, and 144 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: the athletic skills or both of these guys are off 145 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: the charts. Like we can debate the merits of four 146 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: four nine forties for a two hundred and eighty two 147 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty two pound defensive tackle, it does 148 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: reflect of the guys an excellent athlete who is you know, 149 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: gonna give you as all, not just because he has to, 150 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: but because he's got the athletic skills to turn like 151 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: a chase down into like a negative play or potential 152 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: sack on you know, quarterbacks trying to break the pocket. 153 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: So I think probably in the case of both these players, 154 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: it might be that they're a little more schemes specific 155 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: than other defensive tackles who might be in the first round. Conversation, 156 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, jail and Carter is a whole different conversation 157 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: because of some of the recent leak, because of the 158 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: recent legal issue. But I don't know that there is 159 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: a team that would say to itself, you know what, 160 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: just based off the football side of it, we can't 161 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: use a Jail and Carter, whereas undersized defensive tackles you 162 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: have to have the right scheme fit to maximize what 163 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: they bring to the table. All right, let's lock in here. 164 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: The Giants are picking a twenty five field, and I 165 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: happen to agree with Bill Todd and Mel who with 166 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: you on the podcast have talked about they really aren't 167 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: as many first round grades in this draft as you 168 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: will have in a normal draft fifteen maybe maybe maybe less. 169 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: You know, people don't like to say that, but you know, 170 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: Giant fans, I've been trying to warn im, Look, you 171 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: might be getting what's normally a second round graded player, 172 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: a twenty five in the first round. Here. What's your 173 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: take in terms of guys that could possibly slip the 174 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: twenty five that would be good value? What position group 175 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: could you find good value in a twenty five? Base 176 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: on how this thing might fall, where do you think 177 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: the Giants might get the best bang for their buck 178 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: taking kneeds out of it, just talking about talent at 179 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: twenty five. Yeah, So, first of all, like it's hard 180 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: to put a direct comparison and how this draft stacks 181 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: up relative to other drafts, because I think you are 182 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: correcting that, Like, there is not as many blue chip 183 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: players this season as there have been in recent drafts, 184 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: So the areas that you keep hearing have depth our edge. 185 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: We talked about Will McDonald earlier. There are several other 186 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: guys that will go in the first round as well. 187 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: I think I would presume that Will Anderson from Alabama 188 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: is the first Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech. The list 189 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: goes on and on and on. We talked about cornerback, 190 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: and I would argue again as I said earlier, like 191 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: cornerback is the group that the guys will go in 192 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: the first round and do so not just because of 193 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: how the rest of the draft class takes shape, but 194 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: because they're really good players at a position that of 195 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: course really mad. And then the other position is tight end, 196 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: which I don't know that it's nearly as much of 197 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: a need anymore for the Giants after the acquisition of 198 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: Darren Waller. But no, I guess if you ever look, 199 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: we're looking to augment your offense and you think the 200 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: player is good enough, like you can never have enough 201 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: good pass catchers. But it is a deep class at 202 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: tight end. Where I think it's different though, is that 203 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: there isn't a player like Kyle Pitts, who I expected 204 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: to go in the top six or seven picks he 205 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: ends up going number four overall. There's not that kind 206 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: of tight end available, even to T. J. Hawkinson, who 207 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: went eighth overall. Like you've had some guys drafted high 208 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: at the tight end spot, I'm not sure we have 209 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: that kind of player. But I do think we have 210 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: good depth the tight end spot, guys who will hear 211 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: their names in the top one hundred picks and have 212 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: a real shot to start. So those might be the 213 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: areas where if you're looking for value at twenty five, 214 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: you'll get it commensurate with where the player likely belongs 215 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: on average in the draft. Yeah, I like corner there field, 216 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: and I guess the three guys that I'm thinking are 217 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: not going to be there, right Joey Porter Junior, I 218 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: doubt's getting there is not going to get there. I 219 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: would be surprised if Devin Witherspoon gets there unless the 220 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: testing that scares people away. But yeah, I'm with you. 221 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: So I think the question is does Deonte Banks get there? 222 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: And as anyone else you think gonna be gone by 223 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: the time you get to twenty five? Is I think 224 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: Banks really matches that Wink Martindale, big long physical press, corner, 225 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: which is what Wink wants to do if he has 226 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: the players to do it. Yeah, And I think you're 227 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: probably right that it's like an Emmanuel four Deontay Banks 228 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: or the type of cornerbacks that are probably going to 229 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: be considered the best available at pick number twenty five. 230 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: And you're right, Deontay Banks probably does have some of 231 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: the Wink Martindale traits. Hold on one second, if someone 232 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: else to, uh, go on it, You're fine? Is that okay? Sorry? Yeah? 233 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: Borrow good? Yeah, that's all you know, like you just 234 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: gotta just gotta make it happen. So I'm interrupting the 235 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: ESPN Makecare proom. But yes, I think those are the 236 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: two cornerbacks that are likely to be consider the best 237 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: available at pick number twenty five. I would say though, 238 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: that you're right, like as far as like the ideal 239 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: Wink Martindale cornerback, it's probably not the guys one hundred 240 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: and six pounds, right, like the guy who again it's 241 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: not that he played all the time like one hundred 242 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: and sixty six pound cornerback, but still like there are 243 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: some natural limitations as opposed to a guy in Deontay 244 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: Banks who's got a more conventional frame. But there's actually, 245 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: like I think that's actually an interesting theme of this 246 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: year's top cornerback classes, that all of them at pretty 247 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: good length, right like Kerstigan zala is six two, two 248 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: hundred and seven pounds, Witherspoon sixty one two hundred pounds. 249 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: Like you've got some guys like there's not It's not 250 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: a bunch of five ten five eleven hundred and eighty 251 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: five ninety pound guys. Obviously four is being the exception 252 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: in that group of top five cornerbacks. But good physicality 253 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: from the cornerback groups for the most part. So that's 254 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: why I keep coming back to Cornerback is perhaps the 255 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: position that is the most appropriately valued this year in 256 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: the draft. One of the big need for the Giants 257 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: field is its center. Right now, they all have a 258 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: starting center. The three guys they've talked about over at 259 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: the owner's meetings of potentially playing center are probably I 260 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: would consider them natural guards Ben Bredeson, Shane Lemieux, Jack 261 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: Anderson that we can put him at center, I'm not 262 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: sure that's what you want. So we know about position 263 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: value and things like that. Do you think there's a 264 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: center worthy of the bang for your bucket twenty five 265 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: year with whether it's a tipman of John Michael Schmidtz 266 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: or do you think that's more of a trade down 267 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: situation if you're looking to grab a center that early. Yeah, 268 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: so I think John Michael Schmidtz for Minnesota is probably 269 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: the name that comes up the most song with the 270 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl looked really good, dependable, probably is a center only. 271 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: And that's the thing that I think, excuse me, is 272 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: constantly harped on in the draft, is when you're taking 273 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: a guy that high, and if it's twenty five, then 274 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: I would say it's a high investment. Is that Do 275 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: you want a player who is bound to one position 276 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: and it sounds good on paper when you can say, hey, 277 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: it's the next Jason Kelsey. But again, first of all, 278 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: let's not compare everybody to the outlier, right, like who 279 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: not only plays one position and has for his entire career, 280 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: but also happens to play at an extremely high level. 281 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: That being said, like we've seen some recent centers or 282 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: even guys that haven't been quite as who have gone 283 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: in the back end of the first round. Travis Frederick 284 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: Assoso I think of who obviously had his career cut 285 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: short because of medical issues. But when they had him, 286 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: the Cowboys were panned for taking them early, and he 287 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: was awesome for them, right, And like you got six, seven, 288 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: eight great years of a guy playing center. So if 289 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: it's enough of a priority, which I think based off 290 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: of the Giants current roster construction, it can certainly be 291 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: considered a high priority. I'm okay with taking a guy 292 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: who maybe lax positional versatility if you know you're gonna 293 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: get day one starter and immediate upgrade of what you 294 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: dealt with this past year, and factoring in some of 295 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: the players like John Feliciano that left in free agency 296 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: and Nick Gates that left in free agency. Yeah, and 297 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: I know it was an early second round I think. 298 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: But although Creed Humphrey into the mix two, right, he's 299 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: a guy I'm sure the Chiefs love him. There were 300 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: two things coming out of college for Creed Humphrey. Two 301 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: things one center only two he's a lefty. He's the 302 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: only lefty center in the NFL. Hasn't bothered him one bit, Right, 303 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: the guys established himself as a you know, all pro players, 304 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: So I get it. It's it's a little bit daunting 305 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: when you know you can. You could take the center 306 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: who's a short thing. Or you can take the guard 307 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: who could play left tackle in a minute in a pinch, 308 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: or he could play center at a pinch. But I'm 309 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: okay with a guy who's dominant at his one spot. 310 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm already seeing giant fans in the comments, screaming, John, 311 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: you haven't asked about wide receivers yet. The Giants need 312 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: wide receivers. Is this a good wide receiver year at 313 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: twenty five? I don't think it's a good wide receiver 314 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: year one through ten? But could someone get there at 315 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: twenty five that you think is worth the bank for 316 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: the bucking? What guys won't be there at twenty five 317 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: maybe is how the conversation should start. Beaty is in 318 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: the eye of the beholders, So I have no clue 319 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: who won't be there, because while in my if I 320 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: would mock draft, it would probably not have Zay Flowers 321 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: or Jackson Smith and Jig, But there I don't know, right, 322 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: Like excuse me, like I think that Zay Flowers might 323 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: be my favorite player to watch out of the wide 324 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: receiver just because he's you know, small by wide receiver standards, 325 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: or plays big right he's a big playwright down the field. 326 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: He makes accor bad of catches. He's kind of got 327 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: some dynamo in him, but he's also whatever, five ten, 328 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: five eleven, right, he's not six foot two and ran fast, 329 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: but not like, you know, four two five faster. I 330 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: think he was four four two with the combine, so 331 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: very good speed, but not exactly like we're not talking 332 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: track star speed there. Jackson Smith and Jigba ran four 333 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: five two, you know, sort of depends on whose clock 334 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: you want to judge. At the most recent Ohio State 335 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: Pro Day, but did not run during the combine, played 336 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: just a total of three games. And also this past 337 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: year with the hamstering injury, does a little bit of 338 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: everything pretty well, doesn't necessarily do one thing at a 339 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: level that's like transcendent, so that seems to be limitation there, 340 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: excuse me. And then beyond that, you've got wide receivers 341 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: who I think really it's a taste thing, you know. 342 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: Quentin Johnston from from TCU is a massive, massive frame, 343 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: got a great catch radius, but not necessarily a blazing 344 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: speed type of guy. And then I think it really 345 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: is just going to come down to, like, is it 346 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: a specific type of player you're looking for right now 347 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: or is it just I need a wide receiver and 348 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: we'll make it work based off no matter who's there 349 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: and the I know, Giants fans, you love when you 350 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: can do the mock draft and it's easy. Right last year, 351 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: it was easy to envision a scenario that land your 352 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: cave on Thibodeaux and also Evan Deal right there was 353 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: it was only six picks ahead of the second of 354 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: the two Giants first round picks at twenty five. It's 355 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: hard like anything could happen between one and twenty four 356 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: that like someone could slide way lower you expect it to, 357 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: or someone could be taken that just because mock drafters 358 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: aren't talking about them in a particular light, particular light 359 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the draft, the NFL doesn't view that 360 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: player that way. So it's an interesting one at the 361 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: wide receiver spot this year for sure. Yeah, And you 362 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: know you talk about types and trying to find the 363 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: flavor that you like field in. This is where I've 364 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: struggled with the wide receivers this year. And I'm gonna 365 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: put Quinn Johnson decided to be this He's the easy answer. 366 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: I wish the Giants need a slot player, right because 367 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: then it'll be easy you get all these guys you 368 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: could choose from. But they have Wanda Robinson, they signed 369 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: Paris Campbell, they signed Jamison Crowder, you have Sterling Shepard. 370 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: Who are guys that are slot guys? Right? All? Right now? 371 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: Now I'm looking at the guys that could be there 372 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: in the first round. Jackson's within Jigba's six foot tall, 373 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: but all he did at Old House that it was 374 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: played the slot. We didn't see him play outside. Zay 375 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: Flowers is five nine, Josh Downs is five nine. George 376 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: Addison weighs one hundred and seventy thirty pounds. So if 377 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: these guys in that five nine to five eleven range, 378 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: put your personnel pat back on for a second, how 379 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: do you figure out which these guys you believe in 380 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: think can be successful outside even if they don't have 381 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: that traditional outside size and length and maybe even in 382 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: Jigiba's case speed. Yeah, that's a good question because there 383 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: are some of it is depended upon, like who you 384 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: have on your roster and how that player is going 385 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: to influence the defensive coverage on a play in and 386 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: playoff basis, And so there was a trade in the 387 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: NFC East recently that I thought is kind of reflectivele 388 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: The Cowboys acquired Brandon Cooks, who's not a big guy 389 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: but has played a lot not just in the slot 390 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: but also on the perimeter. And part of it's because 391 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: he does have like a play big mentality to him 392 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: in some ways and a good separator. But also part 393 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: of it is because they're best wide receiver Cee Lamb, 394 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: who dominates from the slot. So if you're the Giants 395 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: and you're saying that, hey, Darren Waller, is I think 396 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: if I were a defensive coordinator right now, the most 397 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: dangerous player in the passing game and I'm scooting Saquon 398 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: Barkett from this conversation, is Darren Waller absolutely? How does 399 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: that tilt the rest of the defense? Right? Is? Okay? 400 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: Darren Waller is, he's a tight end, He's a big 401 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 1: slot though, right, Like they're handful of guys Travis Kelcey, 402 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: Darren Waller, Mike Asiki players who are listed as tight 403 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: ends who defensive purposes, Mark Andrews obviously as well, you're 404 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: treating them like over slighted slot wideouts, And how does 405 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: that influence the rest of the defensive coverage, because if 406 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: you've got a dominant tight end slash big slot plus 407 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: a bunch of other more traditional slot players, Like, what 408 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: does that require from your perimeter wide receiver? If you're 409 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: the Giants, does it mean that you need a guy 410 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: who's gonna have to consistently beat double teams? Probably not, right, Like, 411 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 1: you can see the guy who's a good separator as 412 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: a route runner. So Jordan Addison might be might be 413 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: your favorite player out of those, right. Addison, who finished 414 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: his college career at USC after playing a couple of 415 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: years at Pits, a really good player in both systems, 416 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: an incredible player, great route runner, not a big guy, 417 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: not a blazing fast guy. But if you're expecting him 418 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: to kind of always draw one player in coverage, like 419 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: you might take your chances there. So I do think 420 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: it's a part in part scheme and personnel dependent. It's 421 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: not as simple as just, hey, all things being equal, 422 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: this guy who might not be big is the best 423 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: perimeter wide receiver. No. I think that's a really good point. 424 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: If you're gonna get single coverage, who do you like 425 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: to separate in those single coverage situations? I think that's 426 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: a great point, all right, team building sae Quon Barkley 427 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: franchise tag. Listening to Joe Shane talk at the owners meetings, 428 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: it sounds like the negotiations being said a little bit 429 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: as to weather or I he'll get a long term deal. 430 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: At one point in a very deep running back class field, 431 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: do you start thinking about perhaps running back if you're 432 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: the Giants. I don't think it's until obviously day two. 433 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: Let me just get the extremely obvious out of the way. Sorry, 434 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: I've been fighting through this year for a little bit, 435 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: but I appreciate it. It's probably it's probably more of 436 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: a day three conversation, Round three conversations. What I would say, 437 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: there's just too much value in the first two rounds, 438 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: and obviously the Giants can up, down, etc. But the 439 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 1: first sixty year so picks sounds like guys that you 440 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: think should be starters, right like I think they should 441 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: be starters. And if you have a running back from 442 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: the Giants in the first sixty picks, he's not starting 443 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: because Saquon Barkley is. So I think round three and 444 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: beyond is a reasonable place to look. And with the Giants, 445 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: what's unique is that, as we know, part of the 446 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: reason why sea Quon played so much last year, it 447 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: is because he's Saquon Barkley, but part of it is 448 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: because they didn't have much depth behind him, right Like 449 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: Matt Preta gave him some good snaps, but it wasn't 450 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: like the Giants were one of those teams that if 451 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: they wanted to, they go four deep at running back 452 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: and give a guy, you know, an occasional fifteen touch games. 453 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: So I don't think death is a bad idea if 454 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: you're Joe Sheen right now. I just think that for 455 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: a team that plays and perhaps the most competitive division 456 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: of the NFL, an asset allocation mindset has to be 457 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: in play for the first couple of rounds, and I 458 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: think that's why you probably look at places like center 459 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: and wide receiver and more defensive reinforcements. Continue to pad 460 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: the depth of the cornerback room with guys that are 461 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: going to be free agents after next year. And I 462 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: know that that's really hard sometimes for fans to accept. 463 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: But as much as the draft is a valuable way 464 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: to fill the holes remaining for this year, it's a 465 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: multi year exercise. It's planning for the next five to 466 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: ten years. In a perfect scenario. And look what the 467 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: Eagles do, right. I mean Cam Jorgens was drafted and 468 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: the Kobe Dean was drafted last year. I either want 469 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: them at to play this year, Jordan Davis, but they're 470 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: all gone. Oh, Javon Hargag's done. All right, you're in, 471 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: all right as it's you're in. Be both those linebackers. 472 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: You're in. You have the future proof. You're absolutely right. 473 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: Final question feeling. I appreciate the time you're fighting through 474 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: it for me. Give me your pet cat in the draft. 475 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 1: Somebody you just love to watch, and you mentioned Zay 476 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: Flowers doesn't have your first round pick. It could be 477 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: a late round pick. Just a guy that that you 478 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: love and maybe you wish other people gave a little 479 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: bit more love to. No, it's gonna say Zay Flowers. 480 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: And here's the reason why it's a personal thing too, 481 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: is my wife is a Boston College graduate and we 482 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: end up watching a lot of BC football and unfortunately 483 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: this past year there wasn't a whole lot to look forward. Yea, 484 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: that's been rough. That that's been rough, well, especially in 485 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: this past year. So Zay Flowers is it? Uh? I 486 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: think he plays bigger than than then his size. Um 487 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: this is also a first round pick. But Devin Witherspoon 488 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: probably the most fun cornerback to watch, just because what 489 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: I like about Devin Witherspoon is that he is completely fearless. 490 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: Like it's it's as if his soul is made up 491 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: of like a middle linebacker, but his body is a cornerback. Key. 492 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: There's that playfield sorry friend dropping earlier in the year. 493 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: He reads that little screen to the running back and 494 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: is like he's shot out of a cannon and destroys 495 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: the back as soon as he looks like a linebacker. 496 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: To your point, I believe it's the first play from 497 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: scrimmage against Indiana that you're referring to. He comes. I mean, 498 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: it's like heat seek missile. It's an awesome play. It's 499 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: so fun to watch, and it's reflective of the mentality 500 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: that he has. So those are the two players that 501 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: I would like put my stamp on right now and say, 502 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: I don't care where they get drafted, probably not one 503 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: and two, but if it's a little bit lower than that, 504 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: I am in on those two players. I feel. Tell 505 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: the folks where they can find you. Anything else that 506 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: jump to that you want people to know about. Yeah, 507 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: first Draft podcast. If you enjoy it, check it out 508 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: every week. It's available not just in podcast form, but 509 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: we also do a live stream. It's on ESPN's Twitter 510 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: and Facebook and a bunch of other places as well YouTube, 511 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: and then check out our mock draft specials usually Tuesdays 512 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: at five pm Eastern Time on ESPN too. Always a 513 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: lot of fun. We're breaking down mel Or Todd or 514 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 1: Mike Dannebomb's latest mock draft. Jordan read Matt Miller a 515 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: really great roster of NFL traft analysts. So it's a 516 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: ton of fun. And mock drafts make the world go 517 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: around in my book, So we look forward to those 518 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: every single week. Yeah, we and Matt, Jordan and Mike 519 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: out at the combine. They did a great job. I 520 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: know this will probably be air by the time you 521 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: guys did it already, so I know you're having the 522 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: tannem Bomb Draft Special on Tuesday afternoon. This is gonna 523 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: probably a little bit later than that. Get fans like 524 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: a little reaction to what's you usually get from these 525 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: Tannebaum mac drafts, which are usually not what people are 526 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: used to seeing. Well, they are Mike Tannembaum GM drafts. 527 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: So it's not what he thinks will happen. It's what 528 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: he would do if you were the GM, So be proprised, 529 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: be prepared for some surprises, including a certain quarterback going 530 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: fifth overall that is not going fifth overall other mock drafts. Yeah, 531 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: it might not be Will Lovers or Anthony Richardson. That's correct. Yeah, 532 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: feel good stuff. Man, It was nice having you on 533 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: and we'll catch up with you down the road. All right, 534 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: thank you. That's fiel J to ESPN. Plenty more coming 535 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: up in The Giants Little Podcast. Stay tuned,