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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Zaren, what's nahda? You know it's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>I do, I do? Actually yama Nashi Japan. Oh come

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<v Speaker 3>on now, no, no, I wasn't done. In the place

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<v Speaker 3>of Yama Nashi Japan. There is this theme park. It

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<v Speaker 3>was only open for about four years, but in that

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<v Speaker 3>time they were able to build this giant Gulliver statue.

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<v Speaker 3>Enormous Gulliver statue, you know, from the book Gulliver's Travelers

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<v Speaker 3>by Jonathan Swift. And so when he goes to like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like the certain Lands, there's like, you know whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>the yahoos and so forth, and one of the little

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<v Speaker 3>Putians are tiny, and so he's huge, right, So it's

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<v Speaker 3>the Lilliputian world. So it is huge Jonathan Swift lying

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<v Speaker 3>on the ground, and so we are all relative to him, Liliputians.

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<v Speaker 3>This statue renders all human beings into Liliputians, right. And

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<v Speaker 3>as I said, it was only over four years. It's

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<v Speaker 3>now out of business and it's just been sitting there

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<v Speaker 3>basically the syntigree. So there's this disintegrating Gulliver statue that

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<v Speaker 3>can plague a little fictional trick on you. But you

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<v Speaker 3>got to go to Japan to see it. But I

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<v Speaker 3>love that. They're just like, I ain't cleaning that up.

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<v Speaker 3>Just just leave it for nature to be clean. Yeah, whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>that ain't our history. I don't care. Leave him to

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<v Speaker 3>the soil.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it. That's ridiculous. That's good.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm going to Yamanashi, Japan.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Another giant?

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<v Speaker 3>What you got? Giants? Giants?

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<v Speaker 2>This is Ridiculous Crime, A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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<v Speaker 2>and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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<v Speaker 2>one ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn right, Zaren Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you like Buried Treasure?

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I like Buried Treasure.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a big fan of the booty.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that he talked to it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what pirates called it, buried treasure.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we've talked about that show The detectorss on here

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<v Speaker 2>before Metal Detective.

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<v Speaker 3>I recommend it to everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I made a lot of people mad talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>Gilgamesh dream tablet. That hobby lobby got its grubby little

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<v Speaker 2>hands on. Oh really it didn't go over well.

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<v Speaker 3>OK, Sorry for your email inbox.

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<v Speaker 2>I have more archaeological treasures for you today, though, let

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<v Speaker 2>me start off with, as you always like to say,

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<v Speaker 2>an appetizer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, mos boots. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>In seventeen twenty five, I'm going back, baby, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventeen twenty five there was eighteenthentry doesn't get enough cloud, No,

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<v Speaker 2>it really doesn't. We don't cover it enough on this. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a professor named Johann Bartholomeus Adam Behringer.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's a name.

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<v Speaker 2>He was poking around his poke, poke poking and looking

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<v Speaker 2>for fossils, all right, as one does Wursburg, Germany.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and got anywhere near Neanderthal.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, right on top of it. He was into erictis. Okays, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>that is the geological side of fossils.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he hired some kids, was like, hey, kids,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys like, come dig with me, and off they went.

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<v Speaker 3>I got shoveled, you got time.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, there were some guys at the university where they

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<v Speaker 2>all worked, who decided they had had an absolute enough

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<v Speaker 2>of his snooty, arrogant ways he was. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>real snooty guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Only kids would hang out with paid them, right, Adults

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<v Speaker 3>like only around him?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so these people at his coworkers decided to prank him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about eighteenth century pranks. Okay, that's not how

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine my life would be when I crossed the stage

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<v Speaker 2>to accept my college diploma, I would be talking about

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<v Speaker 2>eighteenth century.

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<v Speaker 3>Prank life of welcome surprises, beautiful, wonderful surprise awareness.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the guys he carved figures out of limestone.

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<v Speaker 2>They were little animals, spiders, frogs, lizards. Spiders. Just isn't

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<v Speaker 2>aside when I always say spiders like that. A friend

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<v Speaker 2>of mine kept getting these call, these collect calls from

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<v Speaker 2>the county jails. No, from the county jail. It would

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<v Speaker 2>be like, you have a collect call from whatever county

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<v Speaker 2>jail from And the guy would always go, spider.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Laura and I laughed about that. Anyway, I can't see

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<v Speaker 2>the word spider, the spider, So she'd always no, I

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<v Speaker 2>do not accept the charge.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it a wrong call? But they had the wrong number.

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<v Speaker 3>Have they ever gotten through?

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<v Speaker 2>No called all the time? Anyway? Spiders, frogs, and lizards

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<v Speaker 2>they had. There were inscriptions on these little figures. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the name of God in Latin, Arabic and Hebrew.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit little bit of each on each one.

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<v Speaker 2>So they went around these two these three days, they

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<v Speaker 2>went and they planted the figures all over where the

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<v Speaker 2>Professor and his boy crew were looking. Fessor Barringer found them.

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<v Speaker 2>He's so excited. He's like, these are awesome, you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and they all sat down in the dirt and looked

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<v Speaker 2>at him together.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank do's a law.

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<v Speaker 2>First, he thought they were actual fossils signed by God.

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<v Speaker 2>Ran them down when I tell you that these are

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<v Speaker 2>in no way convincing a fossils. They are not realistic representations.

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<v Speaker 2>They're kind of cartoonish. And he's like, oh, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>got God's name on it. God's like, here, I made this.

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<v Speaker 3>You know I always signed my works.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean look at the bottom of our feet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's where the signature is.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he thought about it and he was like, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>these aren't fossils.

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<v Speaker 3>Because the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Were like rolling their eyes up. He's like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I think these were carved by prehistoric pagans.

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<v Speaker 3>That's got to be it druids.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he's like, but here's the problem. How did

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<v Speaker 2>they know God's name they carved that on there? And

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<v Speaker 2>then people were like, actually, I see so he gives

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<v Speaker 2>up on the Pagans. He's like, they're fossils. I go

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<v Speaker 2>back to them being fossils, got God's namon. So people

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<v Speaker 2>are like, well, you know when you actually when you

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<v Speaker 2>look at it, there are chisel marks on the side.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not God's handiwork. And he's like, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>speak to the man himself. I don't know, you don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>let's ask him. So all of his theories, he collects

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<v Speaker 2>all these series.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is an academic, yes, a professor.

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<v Speaker 2>He has all these theories, and he publishes them. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>poor man, And not long after the publication of the book,

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<v Speaker 2>the penny drops, he finally figures out, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 2>these are fake. Now he put everything into writing this

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<v Speaker 2>book he published, so he figures out these aren't real.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he also figures out who made them his

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<v Speaker 2>nemeses at work. He sued two of them and one

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<v Speaker 2>and those guys lost their job at the college. They

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<v Speaker 2>each lost their job, and one of them was even

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<v Speaker 2>banished from the city. I mean, this is seventeen.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundred like out out with you the city wall.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then he comes back with the wig on

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<v Speaker 2>and there's not the court transcripts. The hoaxers testified that

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<v Speaker 2>they pulled this prank because quote, he was so arrogant

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<v Speaker 2>and despised us.

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<v Speaker 3>All, oh yeah, it's like the Drake's plate.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they'll come up and see exactly like Drake's plate.

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<v Speaker 2>So barringer. He spent lots of time and money trying

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<v Speaker 2>to chase down all the copies of his book to

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<v Speaker 2>get them back. He's like, we printed, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred of them. I gotta find these three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>suckers who bought it. And but you know, don't worry

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<v Speaker 2>about it. It got a second printing in seventeen thirty seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, so it did well.

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<v Speaker 2>It did well, and then it was translated into English

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty three.

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<v Speaker 3>Poor dude.

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<v Speaker 2>As for the stones, some of them are currently on

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<v Speaker 2>display at the Oxford University Museum.

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<v Speaker 3>With a red sign pointing down joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think this is a fossil? And they're now

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<v Speaker 2>known as lugenstein. I don't know if I'm saying it right.

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<v Speaker 3>The lying stone with that emphasis is definitely right. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe not, but it was rare somewhere. It's the lying stones,

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<v Speaker 3>lying stones. I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a solid hoax.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great one, though.

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<v Speaker 2>He had such a desire to find something of significance,

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<v Speaker 2>even if he had to like stretch the boundaries of plausibility.

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<v Speaker 3>An exploit child labor to get there. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in eighteen sixty six there was another scientist doing

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<v Speaker 2>his best to will his belief into evidence.

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<v Speaker 3>Eighteen sixty six eighteen sixty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Were jumping forward fifty years or so. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>professor of geology at Harvard named Josiah Whitney from Eli. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he was also the state geologist of California, and Mount Whitney,

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<v Speaker 2>the highest peak in the lower forty eight, is named after.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, as he was an he have a book like

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<v Speaker 3>a naturalist.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he totally is. But he was an expert

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<v Speaker 2>in economic geology, so mins. Yeah, but he had his

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<v Speaker 2>share of mishaps for all of his you know, honors

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<v Speaker 2>and whatnot. He got into it with John Muir about

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<v Speaker 2>the origins of Yosemite.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of one of those let them fight exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So Whitney said that the Yosemite Valley was created when

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<v Speaker 2>there was a cataclysmic sinking of the valley floor.

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<v Speaker 3>That was Whitney's theory, not glacious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mirrors, Like, no, my dude, that makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 2>It was glacial action. They smacked him on the side

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<v Speaker 2>of the head. The Whitney then called him a quote

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<v Speaker 2>ignoramus and a quote mirror sheep heard her.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you call him a pumpkinhead?

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<v Speaker 2>White? Well, you know what, Whitney, you're not the one

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<v Speaker 2>who wound up on the back of the California quarter

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<v Speaker 2>boo roasted in eighteen sixty six.

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<v Speaker 3>He was.

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<v Speaker 2>Whitney was all about proving that humans, mastodons, and mammoths

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<v Speaker 2>all existed at the same time on this planet.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, they definitely partied together.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we know now that it's sort of true twelve

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years ago in the place of scene era. Whitney

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty sure it was the Pliocene era, like three

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<v Speaker 2>million years ago. Yeah, big, no on that way. So there,

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<v Speaker 2>there he is. He's like swanning around the California Gold Country,

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<v Speaker 2>just east coast.

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<v Speaker 3>End it up.

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<v Speaker 2>The grizzled Minor forty nine ers, the prospectors, they did

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<v Speaker 2>not like him, which hold on, they're also newcomers, like

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<v Speaker 2>who are they to whatever? Yeah, So anyway, these these miners,

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to play a joke on Whitney and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like take him down a notch. So they came

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<v Speaker 2>into town from the Goldfield saying that they'd found a skull,

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<v Speaker 2>a really really old one. Where'd you find it? One

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty feet down under the earth? If we

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<v Speaker 2>found it under lava, Now I'm going to guess that's

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<v Speaker 2>like the cold kind.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they mean like the saltrocket.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know they said lava. They don't really know.

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<v Speaker 2>So Whitney stoked. He's like so excited. He comes running.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got to be ancient. He looks at it. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>this has to be millions of years old. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>he tells everyone his theory has been proven. Look, I

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<v Speaker 2>have the skull to prove it. This was a skull

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<v Speaker 2>of a human who walked with mastadons. Three years later,

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<v Speaker 2>a minister told the San Francisco Evening Bulletin that skull

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<v Speaker 2>had been planted as a hoax, that a local shopkeeper

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<v Speaker 2>had put it there on a lark. Whitney didn't budge.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy at Harvard ran florine analysis on it. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have carbon dating yet, and he said that the

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<v Speaker 2>test revealed that the skull was recent. Whitney stayed the course.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's got science telling him it's recent.

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<v Speaker 3>No, and he's a scientist. He's a scientist.

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<v Speaker 2>He convinces another Harvard geology professor, Frederick Ward Putnam, that

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<v Speaker 2>he was right. Putnam's like, Okay, I believe you.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds good.

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<v Speaker 2>Although whatever you say, you got a mountain named after you.

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<v Speaker 2>But he wants to know more. He's hungry Zaron for information.

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<v Speaker 3>So he had touched the skull.

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<v Speaker 2>He sads out to California to do some investigations. He

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<v Speaker 2>was told out there that the miners had desecrated an

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<v Speaker 2>indigenous burial site, likely while prospecting, and planted the bones

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<v Speaker 2>and skulls like for skips and giggles. We'll say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Putnam didn't believe that. But here's the thing. Everyone should

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<v Speaker 2>always believe the horrible behavior of gold rush miners.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I always better.

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<v Speaker 2>They were horrible people.

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<v Speaker 3>They're generally in the practice of exploiting, and so you

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<v Speaker 3>can pretty much just extend from there. They're probably going

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<v Speaker 3>to exploit other things exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So it wasn't until the early nineteen hundreds that the

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<v Speaker 2>skull was officially deemed a hoax. All that time, and

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<v Speaker 2>I should know that there are still creationists who believe

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<v Speaker 2>it's real, okay, and they're going to send me angry

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<v Speaker 2>emails to but I don't want to get into it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's my entrance into this story that I have

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<v Speaker 2>for you today. This isn't it?

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<v Speaker 3>That was just the a gold rush skull the foyer.

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<v Speaker 2>Of this mansion of ridiculous excavation nice foye.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, the gilded frames are a nice time.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to tell you about George.

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<v Speaker 3>Hull, George Hall. Do not know this one?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that okay with you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I got time.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel comfortable in this space?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? If you'll give me like a hug later, okay? Maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>George Hall he was a tobacconist. He made cigars. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a smoke slanger in the terms of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>He lived in Binghamton, New York, and that was like

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<v Speaker 2>almost one hundred and fifty years after old Professor Barringer

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<v Speaker 2>was digging up phony relics all over Germany.

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<v Speaker 3>Hull was an atheist, so an atheist leaf pusher.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and he was big into science, especially the theory

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<v Speaker 2>of evolution. In Charles Darwin Big Darwin Head in eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty eight, Hull was visiting his sister in Aclee, Iowa,

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<v Speaker 2>and while he was there, the two of them went

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<v Speaker 2>to a Methodist revival meeting. That was fun for him.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good.

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<v Speaker 2>During the sermon, Hull heard Reverend H. B. Turk quote

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<v Speaker 2>Genesis six ' four and this is I will read

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<v Speaker 2>it to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I was going to do the quote, but you

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<v Speaker 3>do it. It's fine, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>The Nephilim were in the earth in those days and

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<v Speaker 2>after that when the sons of God came in unto

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<v Speaker 2>the daughters of men and they bore children to them,

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<v Speaker 2>the same were the mighty men that were of old,

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<v Speaker 2>the men of renown.

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<v Speaker 3>What are the Nephilim like the angels?

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<v Speaker 2>But they're the ones on earth loosely translated, their giants.

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<v Speaker 2>They're the son of fallen angels. So in the Jerusalem Bible,

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<v Speaker 2>what we read in Catholic School uses the word nephilim.

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<v Speaker 2>In the King James version, which is what Hull would

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<v Speaker 2>have heard quoted, they use the word giants. So he

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<v Speaker 2>just straight up says giants.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because they're like the opposite of the chair of them. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Hull's sister kind of like stepped in it by bringing

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<v Speaker 2>him to this revival because when the sermon ended, Hull

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<v Speaker 2>went to the pastor and started to debate him about

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<v Speaker 2>the literal accuracy of the Bible. He did not win

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<v Speaker 2>this argument because the rest of the congregation joined in

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<v Speaker 2>and shouted him down, like Hull, dude, let these people

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy their faith. Who cares?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, literally in their church? Who cares?

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<v Speaker 2>But he was changed that day. He was on a mission.

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<v Speaker 2>He had to prove these people wrong, embarrass them, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe and maybe make a little money on the side.

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<v Speaker 3>Why not, It's America, he law.

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<v Speaker 2>He was outnumbered by these meeting attendants, but he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>gonna let it get him down. He decided, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm making a giant.

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<v Speaker 3>What that's his answer, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Making a big petrified giant. I'm making a big old

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<v Speaker 2>fake and I'm gonna sell tickets.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm selling tickets to see my long daddy.

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<v Speaker 2>That'll show them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, Barnum involved in this decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Making hold onto your underpants? He needed help, of course, huh.

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<v Speaker 2>So he talked to a friend of his in Marshalltown, Iowa. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a guy named H. B.

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<v Speaker 3>Martin.

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<v Speaker 2>So the two of them HB. What it's like, Horace

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<v Speaker 2>booty face.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a family member. His nickname. His name was

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<v Speaker 3>Aura O R A. In his middle of the name,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it was t. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>the name was, but we always call him oor t Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think that's so great we have those little

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<v Speaker 3>short names like that. Is even better because he's down

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<v Speaker 3>to two sounds exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So, HB. Martin. These two guys, Hull and Martin, they

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<v Speaker 2>get together. They go to Fort Dodge, Iowa, and they

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<v Speaker 2>checked in at the Saint Charles Hotel. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>what a resident wrote into the Dubuke Times. Quote. For

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<v Speaker 2>a number of weeks after their arrival here, their movements

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be of a very suspicious character. They would

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<v Speaker 2>wander about town apparently with no definite object in view. Lady,

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<v Speaker 2>that's called tourism.

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<v Speaker 3>So they wrote into the paper, I'm a busybody, and

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<v Speaker 3>here's what I noticed. I saw these two men people

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<v Speaker 3>in town.

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<v Speaker 2>They actually did have a definite object in view. When

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<v Speaker 2>we come back from this break, I'll tell you what

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<v Speaker 2>it was.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope it's a giant.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Skippy, what up? When we left off George Hall

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<v Speaker 2>and his pal HB. Martin with the cool name. They

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<v Speaker 2>were cruising around Fort Dodge for actions, right kind of

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<v Speaker 2>action you'll see. So they found out about this guy

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<v Speaker 2>named Cebe Cummins, another gra name Ceeb Cummins. He owned

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<v Speaker 2>a gypsum quarry Okay, and the pair tried to get

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<v Speaker 2>a contract with Cummins to cut out a block of

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<v Speaker 2>gypsum that would be twelve feet long by three and

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<v Speaker 2>a half feet wide and two feet thick, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Twelve by three by starting to put together with their building.

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<v Speaker 2>Come and said no, yeah, because he asked them a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of questions about why they wanted such a big

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<v Speaker 2>piece of gypsum, and they He never got the same

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<v Speaker 2>story twice from them.

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<v Speaker 3>They couldn't you just say the words, I'm a sculptor.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's some money, Yeah, I'm a sculptor. Do you take cash? Yeah? No.

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<v Speaker 2>So one time they told him that they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to quote exhibit in New York as a specimen of

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<v Speaker 2>the products of Fort Dodge and vicinity.

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<v Speaker 3>That's wrong with these guys, Like we.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to show Fort Dodge's finest gypsum at the museum.

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<v Speaker 3>Liker, look here.

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<v Speaker 2>And like they're suddenly they were like real Fort Dodge boosters.

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<v Speaker 2>You just got here.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't sell than Fort Dodge nerds.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they said they wanted to quote send it to Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Iowa's contribution to the Lincoln Monument?

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<v Speaker 3>Wait?

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<v Speaker 2>What as if they're taking like, send us send it's

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<v Speaker 2>a pot luck.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's you know, it's a rock luck. We put

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<v Speaker 3>this every fifties all the states. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>many of the time memorial I don't know twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>So Commons he figures, Okay, these guys are up to

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<v Speaker 2>no good. They want this for nefarious and then he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to do business with them at any price. Wow, principal,

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<v Speaker 2>run of them, Yeah, Pedler, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Not like those guys you normally find slung in gyps

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<v Speaker 3>and anybody with gyps and nickels in their pockets, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Little bags of gyps on the side of Holland Martin.

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<v Speaker 3>Lucy's got them rocks, got them rocks. I should stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So this Okay, they try again, Holland Martin. They're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be deterred. This is gypsum country, after all,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not you know, Commons isn't the only game in town. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so they hooked up with Michael Foley and he got

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<v Speaker 2>them a five ton block that they needed from old

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<v Speaker 2>Gypsum Hollow.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice. He himself, he just sliced it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, is he a gyps guy or I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe stole it. Who knows. Hall had the block shipped

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<v Speaker 2>to a German stonecutter in Chicago named Edward Berghart. Nice

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<v Speaker 2>ships it off. Berghart agreed to keep Mum on the

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<v Speaker 2>whole scam if they cut him in on the prophet. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, I know you're doing something crazy with this, fine,

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<v Speaker 2>but cut me in bek They had exactly, they had

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<v Speaker 2>a deal. So Burghart he hired two sculptors to assist

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<v Speaker 2>with the project, and then he Hull himself posed for

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<v Speaker 2>the statue. Oh and he made sure that they gave

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<v Speaker 2>him a.

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<v Speaker 3>Big don.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not kidding. It's a pretty healthy sized member on

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<v Speaker 2>this thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well got yeah, I'd say, oh, you know, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of would gray sweats. You're saying, this is a winter.

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<v Speaker 2>And the figure is standing there like it has to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 3>What is that I think of kids doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like kind of slightly bent over with his legs crossed,

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<v Speaker 2>and then one hand is covering his lower torso but

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<v Speaker 2>like with his ding ding hanging out, and on the

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<v Speaker 2>other hand looked down here trying to hold it behind

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<v Speaker 2>it with my hand, but there's not enough hand.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have enough.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the other hands behind his back like presumably

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<v Speaker 2>to stop the turtle head.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I was thinking like a thoughtful pose like my

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<v Speaker 3>morning constitution, triumphs.

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<v Speaker 2>Burghart.

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<v Speaker 3>It both ends.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently Burghart put stains and asses on the giant sculpture

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<v Speaker 2>to give it like that weathered Chevvy machine. Then he

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<v Speaker 2>and his underlings they made pores on the surface of

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<v Speaker 2>it by beating it with steel knitting needles that had.

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<v Speaker 3>Been embedded into a board. Cool, Isn't that's smart.

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<v Speaker 2>When it was done, the statue of the giant, the

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<v Speaker 2>enormous George Hull naked, stood ten tall and weighed almost

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<v Speaker 2>three thousand pounds. Dam yeah, damn. At this point, Hull

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<v Speaker 2>had spent twenty six hundred dollars on the hoax, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's more than fifty five thousand dollars in today's money.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, on a hoax to prove the past or wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. For Skipson giggles because he had a bad moment

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<v Speaker 3>in a church and some people shoutowed him down. He's like,

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<v Speaker 3>I got fifty five grand on that. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>And also give it a big hog.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was the real purpose of it. In

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<v Speaker 2>November of eighteen sixty eight, Hull transported the giant in

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<v Speaker 2>an iron sealed box via train to his cousin's house.

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<v Speaker 2>And the cousin, William Stubb Newall.

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<v Speaker 3>Where these names kind of amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>He owned a farm in Cardiff, New York, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was sworn to secrecy. Hull buried the giant near Newell's

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<v Speaker 2>barn and wedged it under the under some roots, so

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<v Speaker 2>it looked like it had been there for like centuries

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<v Speaker 2>nay millennia. Hull then went back to Binghamton, back to

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<v Speaker 2>his tobacco a shop, back to the grind, and he waited.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you moving this multiple ton slab of rock

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<v Speaker 3>by yourself and then easing it into the earth and

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<v Speaker 3>rebearing without having anybody else hiring cruise? Right? So now

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<v Speaker 3>other people are supposed to be mun right, I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>watching these concentric circles grow, but go on.

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<v Speaker 2>While he supplied the locals with like mouth, throat and

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<v Speaker 2>lung cancer. He patiently plotted his next move. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>a year after taking his giant to his cousin's house,

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<v Speaker 2>he was ready to act. He wrote a letter to Newell,

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<v Speaker 2>to old uh Stub and said it was time to

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<v Speaker 2>dig up the giant.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Zarin, close you out, Oh yeah, closed.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to picture it. It's October sixteenth, eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty nine. It's a crisp autumn day in Cardiff, New York.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm in New York. Thank God.

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<v Speaker 2>Birds sing as a light breeze blows through the trees,

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<v Speaker 2>sprinkling dried leaves gently onto the earth. Your name is

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<v Speaker 2>Gideon Emmons, and you've been hired to dig away. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a day laborer.

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<v Speaker 3>I prefer ditch digger. Elizabeth, you're a ditch digger.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to give you some dignity. You and

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<v Speaker 2>your pal Henry Nichols. You were hired by Stub Newell.

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<v Speaker 2>You follow farmer Noule through a stand of trees. As

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<v Speaker 2>you head towards this barn, fall leaves crunch beneath your feet.

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<v Speaker 2>You look around his property and you think you see

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect place for a while. No, Newell says, over there, right,

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<v Speaker 2>by the barn. You approach the barn and Newell opens

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<v Speaker 2>it up to get you some tools. An old barn

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<v Speaker 2>cat comes screeching out and sprints by you. You're handed

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<v Speaker 2>you tools and get to work. After about three feet,

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<v Speaker 2>your shovel strikes something, probably just some old stone. You

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<v Speaker 2>dig a little more and you look into the hole

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<v Speaker 2>that's not rock. You brush some dirt away, and you

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<v Speaker 2>reveal a giant stone foot. Who what in the wild

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<v Speaker 2>world of sports is this there? You keep digging of

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<v Speaker 2>duck fet Sorry, You keep digging and clearing, and pretty

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<v Speaker 2>soon you see that you've uncovered a large man.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, very enormous.

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<v Speaker 2>Does this man look in any way realistic?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, But that doesn't stop your pal Henry from yelling.

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<v Speaker 2>I declare, some old Indian has been buried here.

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<v Speaker 3>So he drinks the moonshine whiskey early in the morning,

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<v Speaker 3>he starts with the sun.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, how could this man possibly have had this as

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<v Speaker 2>his first guess? Maybe prompted? No matter, You and Henry

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<v Speaker 2>and the farmer all agree that this just has to

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<v Speaker 2>be a petrified giant the only answer.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not a credible witness, so from the olden times, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean this is probably really old.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, newel stub. He got to work spreading the word

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<v Speaker 2>of the wonder discovered right on his property. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what it said in the Syracuse Journal quote. Men left

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<v Speaker 2>their work, women caught up their babies, and children in numbers,

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 2>all hurried to the scene where the interest of that

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<v Speaker 2>little community centered. So like it's just you know, magnet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>war of the worlds, but for one object, for one object.

0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Cardiff was known for its fossil deposits. Really yeah, apparently

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<v Speaker 2>everyone in the area, every gawker, every amateur expert, was

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<v Speaker 2>sure it was the body of an ancient man who

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<v Speaker 2>had been petrified by a nearby swamp, and initial examinations

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed this theory. Some later determined that the giant wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a petrified man but a statue, because it doesn't look

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<v Speaker 2>like an actual human being. But it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's.

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<v Speaker 3>From what I understand, when a body turns to rock,

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<v Speaker 3>when organic trail turns to rock, it shrinks a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>So you were gonna have weird structure. Did they make

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<v Speaker 3>it like round level?

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<v Speaker 2>I will show you a picture. I will show you picture.

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<v Speaker 3>Be the thing that would throw me off.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, well it looks like fleshy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, come on now, So this was not a

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<v Speaker 2>petrified man this they said, Okay, maybe it's a statue

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 2>and it was not one created and buried by a

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<v Speaker 2>disgruntled atheist.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, of course not.

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<v Speaker 2>It was ancient from olden times. They started thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he was carved by French Jesuits hundreds of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>like as a way to really wow the indigenous people

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<v Speaker 2>of the region, give them the old razzle dazzle.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, not like a roadmarker or anything. It's just a

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<v Speaker 3>little razzle dazzle from the priest.

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<v Speaker 2>Stub Stubnoel. He was firmly in the man camp. He

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<v Speaker 2>was positive to all outsiders that it was a petrified giant.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it's petrified giant. Whant to see one?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, there is a man, right, and he's like, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I'm going to rebury it. No, shout the neighbors. No,

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<v Speaker 2>don't do it. It has historical value. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you're right. I mean, I can't keep him

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<v Speaker 2>from the world. It's too important.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I who am I to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Not Stub says, I'm gonna do the gracious and selfless thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And he goes out and pitches a white tent over

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<v Speaker 2>it and starts charging twenty five cents submission.

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<v Speaker 3>Touch a generation, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>Two days later he raised the price to fifty cents.

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<v Speaker 3>So many people the demand. What can you do? It's

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<v Speaker 3>the market is you pay.

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<v Speaker 2>That money, you get fifteen minutes worth of time to spend.

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<v Speaker 3>With the giant alone. I'm just wondering if it's like

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<v Speaker 3>and then child the booth had the bag on his head,

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<v Speaker 3>you could go in and be with him in the

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<v Speaker 3>closet or whatever for like seven, seven or however many

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<v Speaker 3>minutes you wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I think this is like groups of fifteen.

0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 3>Like shuffle him in guide show style.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, total sideshow stuff. So the Cardiff Giant is what

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<v Speaker 2>it became known as, had twenty five hundred visitors in

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<v Speaker 2>the first week. So if we figure that averages out

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<v Speaker 2>to about three hundred and fifty eight visitors a day, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and the first two days were at twenty five cents,

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<v Speaker 2>but the other five days were at fifty cents. I

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<v Speaker 2>am back in sixth grade trying to do some math.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm over here with the calculator.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then that meant that over that week he

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<v Speaker 2>made one thousand, seventy four dollars running numbers, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty four thousand dollars today.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, wow in a week, that's what's good. Yeah.

0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 2>So hotels and restaurants they had more business over that

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<v Speaker 2>those few days than they'd ever had since opening.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it was amazing, totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Offers were made to buy the Giant. Yeah, New ol declined.

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<v Speaker 3>So like you got a whole little Florida economy going now.

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<v Speaker 2>So then Hall comes to town the eighties and like

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<v Speaker 2>the conspirators had worked out an agreement. They were going

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<v Speaker 2>to sell the Giant, but it had to be heard well,

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<v Speaker 2>in particular to a syndicate of businessmen that included former

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<v Speaker 2>mayor doctor Amos Westcott and then but it was headed

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<v Speaker 2>up by a man named David Hannam, and they offered

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<v Speaker 2>thirty thousand dollars for a three fourth stake.

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell that these men are not as good

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<v Speaker 3>because their names are not as interesting. So I bet

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<v Speaker 3>they're you know, their subpart.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's like six hundred and seventy thousand dollars today.

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<v Speaker 2>And the men took the deal. They're like of course,

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<v Speaker 2>experts came to examine the piece. Geologist James Hall of

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<v Speaker 2>New York State and professor Henry Wardoff of Rochester University

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<v Speaker 2>were positive, it's an ancient statue. It's not a man,

0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 2>it's a statue. Well, of course, Hall said it was

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<v Speaker 2>quote the most remarkable object yet brought to light in

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<v Speaker 2>our country.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. So this leading academic in his field and he's

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<v Speaker 3>coming out there and he goes, it's an each came

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<v Speaker 3>out of the earth. Probably old, is at.

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<v Speaker 2>Last ancient statue, the first president of Cornell University, Andrew D.

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<v Speaker 2>White said, quote being asked my opinion, my answer was

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<v Speaker 2>that the whole matter was undoubtedly a hoax. That there

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<v Speaker 2>was no reason why the farmer should dig a well

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 2>in the spot where the figure was, that it was

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<v Speaker 2>convenient neither to the house nor the barn, that there

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 2>was already a good spring and a stream of water

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<v Speaker 2>running conveniently to both. That as to the figure itself,

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<v Speaker 2>it certainly could not have been carved by any prehistoric race,

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<v Speaker 2>since no part of it showed the characteristics of any

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<v Speaker 2>such early work. That, rude as it was, is betrayed.

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<v Speaker 2>It betrayed the qualities of a modern performance of a

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<v Speaker 2>low order.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you President Colombo nailed it.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end right. He was, however, surprised by the

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<v Speaker 2>grooves on the bottom part of the Giant. He felt

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<v Speaker 2>that they should have taken years to occur.

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<v Speaker 3>With water and stuff, you're going to get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He later published an article for the Century called

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<v Speaker 2>the Cardiff Giant, The True Story of a Remarkable Deception.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was good. Locals they start remembering things. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>when that George Hole guy came into town with that

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<v Speaker 2>enormous box, like it weighed a few tons, if I.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember, everybody strong in town to help us.

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<v Speaker 2>Like about ten feet long, and then he had it

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<v Speaker 2>haul to his cousin's place. I think that Newel farm

0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 2>where say, wait, it was fishy here. Journalists showed up,

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, not the puff piece variety, muckrakers.

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Nice muckrakers people.

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 2>And they dug up some wonders of their own. They

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>found out that a large sum of money was transferred

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 2>from Newell to Hull after the Giant was sold.

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 3>How did they find that? Back then you got to

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 3>talk to like a banker.

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they got they got a.

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 3>Somebody in the bank record. Yeah, I like it.

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 2>More questions arose when the Cardiff giant was put on

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 2>exhibition to thousands in Albany and Syracuse. A mining engineer

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 2>mentioned that gypsum would have deteriorated in the soggy environment

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 2>it was found in if it had been there for

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<v Speaker 2>such a long time. Hands in his pockets, his shoulders, shrug,

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 2>just saying can I Also, I hate when people say just.

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Saying, well, you know, I get that, but I'm just saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So, who else should arrive on the scene? Off Neil

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Marsh you know him right name?

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was the famous Yale paleontologist, and he came

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<v Speaker 2>to check out the Cardiff Giant in a delightfully Yale

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 2>ivy league tweety fashion. He gave the giant a passing

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 2>glance and said, quote a very recent origin and most

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<v Speaker 2>decided humbug.

0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Wow, listen to old bones and stones over here. So

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 3>more and more like it coming out thereat.

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 2>It's wonderful. And they're just the high level, like high

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 2>falutin disses.

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 3>This is just.

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 2>More people are bringing forth evidence that it's fake. When

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:52.480
<v Speaker 2>we come back from this break, I'll let you know

0:31:52.520 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 2>who didn't care if it was fake or real? Hot

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Off the ads. Zarin just ripping right hot off them.

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Those are some deliciously steaming fresh hot ads.

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 2>I feel refreshed by them.

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 3>Commerce sues me, you know, reaches in there.

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 2>I was saying that a lot of people were saying

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 2>very good people coming with tears in their eyes, saying

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 2>that the Cardiff Giant was fake. No, that bit never

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 2>gets old.

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 3>You love that. I love that.

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 2>You know who didn't care if it was fake? P T.

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 3>Barnum. I knew my man would get in a whiff

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 3>of it.

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 2>In the air, like he's floating around those first smell profits.

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 2>All he saw were dollars signed. He he wanted in

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 2>on this money maker. So he offered to purchase it himself,

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 2>purchase him enunciating all of a sudden, for fifty thousand

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 2>dollars on a three month lease.

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 3>I get smart. He's like, this ain't gonna last long.

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's just flip. And so he made this day

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 2>just one day after Marsh called it humbug.

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 3>He's like, what do I care? Ye? Did the suckers

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 3>read your papers?

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>They refused his offer. So what did he do? He

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 2>hired a sculptor to create a replica. I can do

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 2>you one better, he secretly made a mold of the

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 2>original with wax, which how how do you I snuck

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 2>in at night, I suppose, and they had a copy

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 2>carved from plaster.

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 3>He literally made his own, like like you want mine,

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 3>I got do the exact same one. Your's his fake,

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 3>mine's faker deeper.

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 2>So he puts it on displaying Manhattan, saying it was

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the original and that the one out and cart it

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>was fake.

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:44.600
<v Speaker 3>I prove it wrong.

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 2>So the story comes out. Hannam, who's now the current owner,

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 2>said of the fake to newspapers quote, there's a sucker

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 2>born every minute. Wait, yes, Barnum not only stole the giant,

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 2>he stole that quote.

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 3>So that quote is like attributed. It was a diss

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 3>basically of him. And then he turned around and he's like,

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna make that the most famous thing about well,

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 3>it was it just.

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:09.399
<v Speaker 2>Of the people who are believing that, Like yeah, and

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:11.360
<v Speaker 2>so it was not P. T.

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Barnum about him. That's amazing. Seem weird that somebody like

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 3>that would want to be known for that statement. You

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean, like you don't give up the game.

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 3>That'd be like a wrestlers like these suckers don't.

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:23.879
<v Speaker 2>Against p t. Barnum in that kind of stuff. He's

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:27.800
<v Speaker 2>just gonna run right over you. Handam tried to sue Barnum.

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 2>There was a problem. The judge said, in order to

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:33.399
<v Speaker 2>get a favorable injunction, he would first have to get

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:37.320
<v Speaker 2>the giant to swear on its own authenticity. He said, quote,

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 2>bring your giant here, and if he swears to his

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.759
<v Speaker 2>own genuineness as a bona fide petrification, you shall have

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the injunction you ask for.

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 3>I've run in the nineteenth century got so much sad.

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 2>It's totally saddof ads for Barnum's exhibit Red. What is this?

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Is it a statue? Is it a petrification? Is it

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 2>a stupendous fraud? Is it the remains of a former race?

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 3>Give me a nicoll. I'll let you see it for yourself.

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 2>What is it?

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:03.319
<v Speaker 3>What is I don't know?

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Again it starts off. What is it? I don't know?

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 3>I'll go see it's an Elizabeth that if I've ever

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 3>heard was it?

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Who knows? Who cares? Barnum's giant outsold the original Cardiff Giant.

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Of course, both were scheduled to be shown in New

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 2>York City. Having both giants in New York caused a

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 2>lot of confusion though I'm no, I'm the Cardiff. No,

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm Spartacus, the Cardiff Giant itself. The original, the

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 2>original fake was forced to relocate to Boston.

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Where we got the New York Giants as a name,

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 3>had two giants. However, we had our giants. That was awesome.

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Do you know who went to check out the og

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 2>one in Boston? Who were these hipsters looking for an

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 2>authentic experience?

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 3>Okay, wait, what year are we on at this point?

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 3>Eighteen ninety eighteen eighties. I'm gonna go with Robert Barrett Browning.

0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:56.799
<v Speaker 2>Ralph Waldo Emerson I was close, and Oliver Wendell.

0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 3>Hulks I was close, real close.

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:00.359
<v Speaker 2>This is back when like thinkers had.

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 3>Three names, not just in killers of presidents.

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Fun facts.

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm full of them, yeah, full of it? There, What

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 3>is it?

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:08.439
<v Speaker 2>What is it?

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 3>What is it?

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 2>What is it? The man Barnum hired to make the

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:15.279
<v Speaker 2>replica decided to make even more copies because like, why not,

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:18.400
<v Speaker 2>I have the mold, let's keep this going, And then

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 2>he sold them all ten foot doggers. He sells them

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:25.279
<v Speaker 2>across the country, all over the place. By the end

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>of the year, half a dozen Cardiff giants were on

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.440
<v Speaker 2>display across the guys. This is what they wrote in

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 2>the Philadelphia Inquirer.

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 3>We're so bored back then. You got a big rock,

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 3>I got a nickel.

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Let's do this, someone wrote the Philadelphia inquire quote, it

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:41.839
<v Speaker 2>is rather rich that we should be victimized by such

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:43.240
<v Speaker 2>fraud upon a fraud.

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:44.399
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah yeah.

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:48.360
<v Speaker 2>In eighteen seventy, the fascination had worn off and the

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Cardiff eighteen seventy, the Cardiff Giant became the subject of ridicule.

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Now it wasn't cool anymore. Some still argued that it

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 2>was a piece of antiquity. But at this point, like

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Hull himself was publicly bragging about pulling off the hoax,

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:05.880
<v Speaker 2>like he played the long game. So everyone thinks it is.

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Then it's exposed as a fraud. He's like nin or niner,

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 2>I told you so, there's no such thing.

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 3>Where's that church?

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Exactly? He had his full confession printed in a newspaper

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:16.880
<v Speaker 2>on December tenth, eighteenth.

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 3>What's Up?

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>February eighteen seventy. The Chicago sculptors also had their confessions

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 2>run in newspapers.

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Dude, everyone with the manifesto in the paper. Yes, this

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 3>is nuts.

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 2>And at the same time, and at the same month,

0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 2>excuse me, both the Cardiff Giant and Barnum's replica were

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 2>exposed in court as fakes. The judge added, though, that

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Barnum could not be sued for terming a fake giant

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:40.640
<v Speaker 2>as fake.

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so he got on that one.

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:46.440
<v Speaker 2>The number of gawkers dwindled until finally the giant was

0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 2>put into storage in a barn in Massachusetts.

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 3>What about all the fake ones across the country.

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Probably the giant passed from owner to owner for a

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 2>time and then did a stint touring the carnival circuit,

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 2>and it was put lost years. It was put on

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 2>display at the Pan American Exposition in nineteen oh one

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 2>and then the Hawkeye Fair and Exhibition.

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:09.840
<v Speaker 3>In nineteen twenty three.

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:14.320
<v Speaker 2>It was then purchased by publisher Gardner, Mike Cowell's junior

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 2>of Look magazine and Quality Comics fame. He placed the

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 2>giant in his rumpus room as a coffee table and conversation.

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:25.240
<v Speaker 3>Piece, a tall or tall.

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then he sold it. He sold it to

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 2>the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown.

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 3>Farmers insurance. I don't know, but I don't know. They

0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:36.960
<v Speaker 3>have a museum of farming. I don't know.

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:38.080
<v Speaker 2>I didn't look that part up.

0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:40.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's just weird farmers point.

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I was like, whatever, I'll tell you what happened at

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 2>this farmer's family.

0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:47.719
<v Speaker 2>I was just fixated on the rumpest room at this point.

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Anywhere I want to go back.

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 3>In time, I'm there in the story. That's where I am.

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Barnum's replica is currently on display at Marvin's Marvelous Mechanical Museum.

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh my God, what cooin up Arcade and Audity's Museum

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 2>in Farmington Hills, Michigan.

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:05.279
<v Speaker 3>See this is what I should be doing in my life.

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 2>This is my road to my next ROA tip. There

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:09.960
<v Speaker 2>are also replicas on display. You were asking where are they?

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 2>There's one at the Fort Museum and Frontier Village.

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:17.400
<v Speaker 3>One in Texas, somewhere in Fort Dodge, Iowa, Oklahoma.

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Full circle, It went right back to five, came Home,

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Came Home, Football's Coming Home. Paul issued a proclamation a

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 2>proclamation zeron, saying he wanted to make clear that he

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 2>did not confess because of growing pressure to criticism. No,

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.279
<v Speaker 2>he just wanted to expose the truth in order to

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 2>prove the gullibility of Christians.

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 3>He wanted to That's all I wanted. I wanted to

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 3>dance around on y'all overall.

0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Even though he spent all that money, he made about

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:45.719
<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand.

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:47.800
<v Speaker 3>Dollars on this scheme back then money.

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Back, No, yeah, back then, so that's like four hundred

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 2>and fifty thousand dollars today.

0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 3>That's not bad, real change.

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:55.360
<v Speaker 2>But it gave him the hunger, gave him the bloodless.

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:57.879
<v Speaker 2>He wanted to go all in on being a flim

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:00.840
<v Speaker 2>flan man. Oh Man couldn't help it. That's not a lifestyle,

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 2>and he couldn't get out of like the genre.

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:04.839
<v Speaker 3>You can't to jump in, hop in and hop out

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 3>of that.

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 2>He built a seven foot giant statue in eighteen seventy

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 2>seven that he named the Solid Muldoon.

0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 3>Wait, he's a one hit one, the one hit classics.

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he became his own cover band. No man, seven

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:19.160
<v Speaker 2>foot statues.

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 3>You can't do this. This is P. T. Barnom's got

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 3>ideas on ideas. Not like one thing that.

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Worked Solid, the Solid. This one had a tail, not

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:33.120
<v Speaker 2>a front tail, backtail. Yeah. He did this to be

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:36.840
<v Speaker 2>quote strongly suggestive of the truth of the Darwinian theory.

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.319
<v Speaker 3>Ah, this is like a whole monkey man thing. Yeah.

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, he's trying to show evolution and make my

0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 2>own fossil.

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. To prove this, I added a tail to a

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.319
<v Speaker 3>human Missingly. He came, Yeah, like.

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 2>The link between us and lizards. And you know, keep it.

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Keep your stuff to yourself, dude. I don't know why

0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 2>it's so anyway, this is great though. This one was

0:40:57.000 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 2>made from mortar, rock, dust, clay, plaster, ground bones, blood

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:07.759
<v Speaker 2>and meat.

0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 3>And then they.

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Fired it in the kiln for days and then buried

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 2>it in Beula, Colorado.

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh man. Yeah.

0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 2>It was named after the wrestler William Muldoon. He was

0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:18.319
<v Speaker 2>known as the Solid Man.

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:20.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh because he was just so, he's a big dude,

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:21.719
<v Speaker 3>slab a man.

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, and they called him a solid man because it

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:26.359
<v Speaker 2>was a reference to a song by Edward Harrigan called

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Muldoon the Solid Man. What it's a It's a lovely tune.

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:34.960
<v Speaker 2>It's a traditional Irish melody. It's an Irish melody. The

0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:37.799
<v Speaker 2>lyrics are like pretty ry and comedic. It's about an

0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Irish politician in New York who's outlived his competition. The

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:44.400
<v Speaker 2>chieftains actually do a really good version of it. The

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:47.799
<v Speaker 2>big line in there and on the street, every friend

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I meet says, there goes muldoon. He's a solid man.

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:51.520
<v Speaker 3>I've heard that.

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so three months.

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 3>Picting before you started doing the lyrics. But thank you.

0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Three months after burying the solid muldoon, it was quote

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:05.360
<v Speaker 2>unquote discovered by William Connitt. You can never wait, no, three months.

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:07.800
<v Speaker 2>This guy's like I was out digging for fossil and

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I found a lizard man.

0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:13.279
<v Speaker 3>Living memory pass a little so like.

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.919
<v Speaker 2>The Cardiff Giant. It was dismissed that, no, this isn't

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 2>a petrified man. This is actually a piece of ancient art.

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:22.719
<v Speaker 2>So the Denver Daily Times was so convinced of that

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 2>authenticity as an old piece of art. Quote, there can

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:28.960
<v Speaker 2>be no question about the genuineness of this piece of statuary.

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh I love that approach. Yeah, there can be no question.

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 3>I got questions. I didn't happm before, but now I do.

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.600
<v Speaker 2>So where did the solid muldoon go on the road?

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Of course, visitors all over the country got to see it. Eventually,

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:44.279
<v Speaker 2>the hoax was exposed by the New York Times. The

0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:47.240
<v Speaker 2>reporter described the statue as having quote a knowing smile

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:51.000
<v Speaker 2>on his face, as if enjoying the joke. So the

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:54.920
<v Speaker 2>solid muldoon disappeared from the public eye right after that. However,

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:57.839
<v Speaker 2>nearly a century later, in nineteen seventy six, an art

0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 2>student recreated the piece using an iron beam plaster and

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:06.360
<v Speaker 2>molded stucco wire in celebration of Colorado's centennial Wow Wow.

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 2>After a brief road tour, it was put on display

0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 2>at El Pueblo History Museum before being buried between Pueblo

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.879
<v Speaker 2>and Beulah in a marked plot near Highway seventy eight

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:18.919
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty four.

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 3>Like this is a hoax.

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 2>That's like okay, so now there's another stop on my

0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 2>road trip to see the marker. Hall didn't invent the

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:32.759
<v Speaker 2>petrification hoax, though. The newspaper Alta, California ran a petrification

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 2>spoof in eighteen fifty eight. It was presented as a

0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 2>letter from a bogus German scholar, Friedrich Lichtenberger, MD. The

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 2>letter explains that a prospector named Ernest Fluckspiegel Flucktorspiegel, Yeah,

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Luckterspiegel drank a half pint of fluid that he found

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:56.720
<v Speaker 2>inside a geode. You crack open a geode. It's got fluid.

0:43:56.880 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Well you know, oh, I's good Earth, no way anyway,

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:05.319
<v Speaker 2>and he went back to camp. He said he had

0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:09.880
<v Speaker 2>pains in his quote epigastric and left hypochondriac regions.

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 3>I get I get that all the time.

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I totally do. And then soon apochondriac regions just flairing

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 2>up all the time. Soon after that they said he died.

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 3>That happens. Did you have that happening?

0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it happens so often.

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:27.320
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if he's okay.

0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 2>But Fluchserspiegel wasn't just dead. He'd turned to Stone and

0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:35.319
<v Speaker 2>the other miners. They gathered around and hacked away at

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 2>the corpse with an axe like a field dissection. Doctor

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.359
<v Speaker 2>li Stenberger was there. According to the paper, he said

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 2>he found the heart quote strongly resembled a piece of

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:49.440
<v Speaker 2>red jasper, and like people bought this as a real story.

0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:51.720
<v Speaker 2>For well, you know that if you sip on the

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 2>geo juice.

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Well you just wait a little while. In the way

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<v Speaker 3>our education system is going, people will believe this again soon,

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<v Speaker 3>So don't worry. You'll know it exactly what it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh good, Sorry, that too much for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I suffer from realness. Hull, the father of the Solid

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<v Speaker 2>Muldoon and the Cardiff Giant. He passed away in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>oh two. The Cardiff Giant inspired a Mark Twain's story

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<v Speaker 2>and also found its way into a Nancy Drew book.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh oh, book forty nine, The Secret of Mirror Bay.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your ridiculous takeaway?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man? The fact that these people believed, the initial

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<v Speaker 3>people believed that a rock statue underground was an actual person,

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<v Speaker 3>and they could be petrified, like in perfect like like

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<v Speaker 3>it was Lot's wife and you guys got turned into

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<v Speaker 3>a pillar of salt and then fell into the earth.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I like, how the picture of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, like I say, once you can believe something,

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<v Speaker 3>you can believe almost anything. And there's some things that

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<v Speaker 3>predated their belief that that person was a real person.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I get it. I totally get it. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm loving P. T. Barnum for just cruising this wave

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<v Speaker 3>of credulity and being like, I'll get him whatever what

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<v Speaker 3>they want. I don't care. I'm not telling them what

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<v Speaker 3>anything is. I'm just saying, you want to see it,

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<v Speaker 3>let me.

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<v Speaker 2>Show you a picture of the Cardiff giants while we're here.

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<v Speaker 3>He totally looks like he's like, are you looking at

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<v Speaker 3>my hog? I mean, yes, I'm just I'm so embarrassed,

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<v Speaker 3>but yet look at it. I'm so embarrassed, but look

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<v Speaker 3>at it. That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep pushing it into your face.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. It's like, wow, yeah, it's not going to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>Fleshy.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's supposed to be like a hungry man

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<v Speaker 3>with a very bottom half.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it does almost.

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<v Speaker 3>He has good thighs and legs too. I'm saying that

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<v Speaker 3>that's somebody who's like, wow, he runs or whatever. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>he doesn't exactly this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 3>Good.

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