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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey Zaren, what's nahda? You know it's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do, I do? Actually yama Nashi Japan. Oh come

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Speaker 3: on now, no, no, I wasn't done. In the place

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Speaker 3: of Yama Nashi Japan. There is this theme park. It

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Speaker 3: was only open for about four years, but in that

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Speaker 3: time they were able to build this giant Gulliver statue.

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Speaker 3: Enormous Gulliver statue, you know, from the book Gulliver's Travelers

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Speaker 3: by Jonathan Swift. And so when he goes to like,

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Speaker 3: you know, like the certain Lands, there's like, you know whatever,

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Speaker 3: the yahoos and so forth, and one of the little

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Speaker 3: Putians are tiny, and so he's huge, right, So it's

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Speaker 3: the Lilliputian world. So it is huge Jonathan Swift lying

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Speaker 3: on the ground, and so we are all relative to him, Liliputians.

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Speaker 3: This statue renders all human beings into Liliputians, right. And

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Speaker 3: as I said, it was only over four years. It's

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Speaker 3: now out of business and it's just been sitting there

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Speaker 3: basically the syntigree. So there's this disintegrating Gulliver statue that

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Speaker 3: can plague a little fictional trick on you. But you

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Speaker 3: got to go to Japan to see it. But I

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Speaker 3: love that. They're just like, I ain't cleaning that up.

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Speaker 3: Just just leave it for nature to be clean. Yeah, whatever,

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Speaker 3: that ain't our history. I don't care. Leave him to

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Speaker 3: the soil.

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Speaker 2: I like it. That's ridiculous. That's good.

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Speaker 3: If I'm going to Yamanashi, Japan.

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Speaker 2: You know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Another giant?

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Speaker 3: What you got? Giants? Giants?

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime, A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 2: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 2: one ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Damn right, Zaren Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Do you like Buried Treasure?

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 2: I like Buried Treasure.

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Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of the booty.

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Speaker 2: Like that he talked to it.

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Speaker 3: That's what pirates called it, buried treasure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we've talked about that show The detectorss on here

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Speaker 2: before Metal Detective.

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Speaker 3: I recommend it to everybody.

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Speaker 2: I made a lot of people mad talking about the

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Speaker 2: Gilgamesh dream tablet. That hobby lobby got its grubby little

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Speaker 2: hands on. Oh really it didn't go over well.

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Speaker 3: OK, Sorry for your email inbox.

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Speaker 2: I have more archaeological treasures for you today, though, let

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Speaker 2: me start off with, as you always like to say,

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Speaker 2: an appetizer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, mos boots. Yes.

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Speaker 2: In seventeen twenty five, I'm going back, baby, I love that.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen twenty five there was eighteenthentry doesn't get enough cloud, No,

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Speaker 2: it really doesn't. We don't cover it enough on this. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There was a professor named Johann Bartholomeus Adam Behringer.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's a name.

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Speaker 2: He was poking around his poke, poke poking and looking

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Speaker 2: for fossils, all right, as one does Wursburg, Germany.

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Speaker 3: Right, and got anywhere near Neanderthal.

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Speaker 2: Sure, right on top of it. He was into erictis. Okays, sure,

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Speaker 2: that is the geological side of fossils.

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Speaker 2: And so he hired some kids, was like, hey, kids,

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Speaker 2: you guys like, come dig with me, and off they went.

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Speaker 3: I got shoveled, you got time.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, there were some guys at the university where they

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Speaker 2: of his snooty, arrogant ways he was. He was a

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Speaker 3: Only kids would hang out with paid them, right, Adults

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Speaker 2: Okay, so these people at his coworkers decided to prank him.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about eighteenth century pranks. Okay, that's not how

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Speaker 2: I imagine my life would be when I crossed the stage

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Speaker 3: Prank life of welcome surprises, beautiful, wonderful surprise awareness.

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Speaker 2: One of the guys he carved figures out of limestone.

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Speaker 2: They were little animals, spiders, frogs, lizards. Spiders. Just isn't

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Speaker 2: Laura and I laughed about that. Anyway, I can't see

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Speaker 3: Was it a wrong call? But they had the wrong number.

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Speaker 2: So they went around these two these three days, they

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Speaker 2: Professor and his boy crew were looking. Fessor Barringer found them.

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Speaker 2: First, he thought they were actual fossils signed by God.

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Speaker 2: got God's name on it. God's like, here, I made this.

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Speaker 3: You know I always signed my works.

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Speaker 2: Then he thought about it and he was like, maybe

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Speaker 2: That's not God's handiwork. And he's like, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: Which is an academic, yes, a professor.

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Speaker 2: He has all these theories, and he publishes them. Oh

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Speaker 2: And then he also figures out who made them his

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Speaker 2: banished from the city. I mean, this is seventeen.

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Speaker 2: and there's not the court transcripts. The hoaxers testified that

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Speaker 3: All, oh yeah, it's like the Drake's plate.

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Speaker 2: Then they'll come up and see exactly like Drake's plate.

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Speaker 2: So barringer. He spent lots of time and money trying

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Speaker 3: Oh man, so it did well.

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Speaker 3: Poor dude.

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Speaker 2: As for the stones, some of them are currently on

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Speaker 3: With a red sign pointing down joke.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this is a fossil? And they're now

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Speaker 3: The lying stone with that emphasis is definitely right. Yes,

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Speaker 3: maybe not, but it was rare somewhere. It's the lying stones,

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Speaker 2: That's a solid hoax.

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Speaker 3: That's a great one, though.

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Speaker 2: He had such a desire to find something of significance,

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Speaker 2: even if he had to like stretch the boundaries of plausibility.

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Speaker 3: An exploit child labor to get there. Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Well, in eighteen sixty six there was another scientist doing

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Speaker 3: Eighteen sixty six eighteen sixty six.

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Speaker 2: Were jumping forward fifty years or so. There was a

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Speaker 2: professor of geology at Harvard named Josiah Whitney from Eli. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was also the state geologist of California, and Mount Whitney,

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Speaker 3: Okay, as he was an he have a book like

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he totally is. But he was an expert

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Speaker 3: Kind of one of those let them fight exactly.

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Speaker 2: So Whitney said that the Yosemite Valley was created when

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Speaker 3: That was Whitney's theory, not glacious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mirrors, Like, no, my dude, that makes no sense.

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Speaker 2: It was glacial action. They smacked him on the side

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Speaker 2: of the head. The Whitney then called him a quote

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Speaker 3: Did you call him a pumpkinhead?

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Speaker 2: White? Well, you know what, Whitney, you're not the one

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 2: Whitney was all about proving that humans, mastodons, and mammoths

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Speaker 2: all existed at the same time on this planet.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they definitely partied together.

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Speaker 2: Well we know now that it's sort of true twelve

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Speaker 2: thousand years ago in the place of scene era. Whitney

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Speaker 2: million years ago. Yeah, big, no on that way. So there,

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Speaker 2: there he is. He's like swanning around the California Gold Country,

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Speaker 3: End it up.

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Speaker 2: The grizzled Minor forty nine ers, the prospectors, they did

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Speaker 2: not like him, which hold on, they're also newcomers, like

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Speaker 2: who are they to whatever? Yeah, So anyway, these these miners,

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Speaker 2: they wanted to play a joke on Whitney and kind

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Speaker 2: of like take him down a notch. So they came

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Speaker 2: into town from the Goldfield saying that they'd found a skull,

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Speaker 2: a really really old one. Where'd you find it? One

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty feet down under the earth? If we

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Speaker 2: found it under lava, Now I'm going to guess that's

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Speaker 3: I think they mean like the saltrocket.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know they said lava. They don't really know.

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Speaker 2: So Whitney stoked. He's like so excited. He comes running.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be ancient. He looks at it. Look,

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Speaker 2: this has to be millions of years old. Of course,

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Speaker 3: No, and he's a scientist. He's a scientist.

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Speaker 2: He convinces another Harvard geology professor, Frederick Ward Putnam, that

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Speaker 2: Although whatever you say, you got a mountain named after you.

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Speaker 2: He sads out to California to do some investigations. He

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Speaker 2: Putnam didn't believe that. But here's the thing. Everyone should

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Speaker 2: They were horrible people.

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Speaker 3: They're generally in the practice of exploiting, and so you

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't until the early nineteen hundreds that the

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Speaker 2: So there's my entrance into this story that I have

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Speaker 3: That was just the a gold rush skull the foyer.

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Speaker 2: Of this mansion of ridiculous excavation nice foye.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the gilded frames are a nice time.

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Speaker 2: I want to tell you about George.

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Speaker 3: Hull, George Hall. Do not know this one?

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Speaker 2: Is that okay with you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I got time.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel comfortable in this space?

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Speaker 2: George Hall he was a tobacconist. He made cigars. He

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Speaker 2: He lived in Binghamton, New York, and that was like

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Speaker 3: Hull was an atheist, so an atheist leaf pusher.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and he was big into science, especially the theory

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Speaker 2: sixty eight, Hull was visiting his sister in Aclee, Iowa,

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Speaker 3: That's good.

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Speaker 2: During the sermon, Hull heard Reverend H. B. Turk quote

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Speaker 3: Okay, I was going to do the quote, but you

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Speaker 2: The Nephilim were in the earth in those days and

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Speaker 3: What are the Nephilim like the angels?

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Speaker 2: But they're the ones on earth loosely translated, their giants.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're like the opposite of the chair of them. Right.

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Speaker 2: Hull's sister kind of like stepped in it by bringing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, literally in their church? Who cares?

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Speaker 2: But he was changed that day. He was on a mission.

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Speaker 3: Why not, It's America, he law.

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Speaker 2: He was outnumbered by these meeting attendants, but he wasn't

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Speaker 2: gonna let it get him down. He decided, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I'm making a giant.

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Speaker 3: What that's his answer, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Making a big petrified giant. I'm making a big old

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Speaker 2: fake and I'm gonna sell tickets.

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Speaker 3: I'm selling tickets to see my long daddy.

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Speaker 2: That'll show them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Barnum involved in this decision.

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Speaker 2: Making hold onto your underpants? He needed help, of course, huh.

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Speaker 2: So he talked to a friend of his in Marshalltown, Iowa. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So the two of them HB. What it's like, Horace

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Speaker 3: I have a family member. His nickname. His name was

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Speaker 3: I just think that's so great we have those little

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Speaker 2: So, HB. Martin. These two guys, Hull and Martin, they

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Speaker 2: seemed to be of a very suspicious character. They would

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Speaker 2: that's called tourism.

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Speaker 3: So they wrote into the paper, I'm a busybody, and

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Speaker 3: here's what I noticed. I saw these two men people

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Speaker 2: They actually did have a definite object in view. When

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Speaker 3: I hope it's a giant.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Skippy, what up? When we left off George Hall

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Speaker 2: and his pal HB. Martin with the cool name. They

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Speaker 2: named Cebe Cummins, another gra name Ceeb Cummins. He owned

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Speaker 2: a gypsum quarry Okay, and the pair tried to get

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Speaker 2: gypsum that would be twelve feet long by three and

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Speaker 3: Twelve by three by starting to put together with their building.

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Speaker 2: Come and said no, yeah, because he asked them a

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Speaker 3: They couldn't you just say the words, I'm a sculptor.

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Speaker 3: Here's some money, Yeah, I'm a sculptor. Do you take cash? Yeah? No.

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Speaker 2: So one time they told him that they were going

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Speaker 3: That's wrong with these guys, Like we.

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Speaker 2: Want to show Fort Dodge's finest gypsum at the museum.

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Speaker 3: Liker, look here.

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Speaker 2: And like they're suddenly they were like real Fort Dodge boosters.

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Speaker 2: You just got here.

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Speaker 3: I don't sell than Fort Dodge nerds.

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Speaker 2: Then they said they wanted to quote send it to Washington.

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Speaker 3: Wait?

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Speaker 2: What as if they're taking like, send us send it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, it's a rock luck. We put

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Speaker 2: So Commons he figures, Okay, these guys are up to

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to do business with them at any price. Wow, principal,

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Speaker 3: Not like those guys you normally find slung in gyps

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Speaker 3: and anybody with gyps and nickels in their pockets, just.

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Speaker 2: Little bags of gyps on the side of Holland Martin.

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Speaker 3: Lucy's got them rocks, got them rocks. I should stop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So this Okay, they try again, Holland Martin. They're

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Speaker 2: there's not you know, Commons isn't the only game in town. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Nice. He himself, he just sliced it out.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is he a gyps guy or I don't know,

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Speaker 2: to a German stonecutter in Chicago named Edward Berghart. Nice

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Speaker 2: ships it off. Berghart agreed to keep Mum on the

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Speaker 2: whole scam if they cut him in on the prophet. Oh,

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Speaker 2: She's like, I know you're doing something crazy with this, fine,

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Speaker 3: Big don.

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Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. It's a pretty healthy sized member on

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Speaker 3: Well got yeah, I'd say, oh, you know, and it's

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Speaker 2: And the figure is standing there like it has to

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Speaker 3: What is that I think of kids doing.

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Speaker 2: It's like kind of slightly bent over with his legs crossed,

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Speaker 2: it with my hand, but there's not enough hand.

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Speaker 3: I don't have enough.

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Speaker 2: And then the other hands behind his back like presumably

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Speaker 2: to stop the turtle head.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I was thinking like a thoughtful pose like my

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Speaker 3: morning constitution, triumphs.

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Speaker 2: Burghart.

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Speaker 3: It both ends.

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Speaker 2: Apparently Burghart put stains and asses on the giant sculpture

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Speaker 2: to give it like that weathered Chevvy machine. Then he

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Speaker 2: it by beating it with steel knitting needles that had.

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Speaker 3: Been embedded into a board. Cool, Isn't that's smart.

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Speaker 2: When it was done, the statue of the giant, the

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Speaker 2: enormous George Hull naked, stood ten tall and weighed almost

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Speaker 2: three thousand pounds. Dam yeah, damn. At this point, Hull

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Speaker 2: had spent twenty six hundred dollars on the hoax, and

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Speaker 2: that's more than fifty five thousand dollars in today's money.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, on a hoax to prove the past or wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. For Skipson giggles because he had a bad moment

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Speaker 3: And also give it a big hog.

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Speaker 2: I think that was the real purpose of it. In

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Speaker 2: November of eighteen sixty eight, Hull transported the giant in

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Speaker 2: an iron sealed box via train to his cousin's house.

440
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 2: And the cousin, William Stubb Newall.

441
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 3: Where these names kind of amazing.

442
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 2: He owned a farm in Cardiff, New York, and he

443
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 2: was sworn to secrecy. Hull buried the giant near Newell's

444
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: barn and wedged it under the under some roots, so

445
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 2: it looked like it had been there for like centuries

446
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 2: nay millennia. Hull then went back to Binghamton, back to

447
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 2: his tobacco a shop, back to the grind, and he waited.

448
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 3: How are you moving this multiple ton slab of rock

449
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 3: by yourself and then easing it into the earth and

450
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 3: rebearing without having anybody else hiring cruise? Right? So now

451
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 3: other people are supposed to be mun right, I'm just

452
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 3: watching these concentric circles grow, but go on.

453
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: While he supplied the locals with like mouth, throat and

454
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,479
Speaker 2: lung cancer. He patiently plotted his next move. Okay, and

455
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: a year after taking his giant to his cousin's house,

456
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 2: he was ready to act. He wrote a letter to Newell,

457
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 2: to old uh Stub and said it was time to

458
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 2: dig up the giant.

459
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 3: Oh Zarin, close you out, Oh yeah, closed.

460
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: I want you to picture it. It's October sixteenth, eighteen

461
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: sixty nine. It's a crisp autumn day in Cardiff, New York.

462
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm in New York. Thank God.

463
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: Birds sing as a light breeze blows through the trees,

464
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 2: sprinkling dried leaves gently onto the earth. Your name is

465
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 2: Gideon Emmons, and you've been hired to dig away. Well,

466
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 2: you're a day laborer.

467
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 3: I prefer ditch digger. Elizabeth, you're a ditch digger.

468
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: I was trying to give you some dignity. You and

469
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: your pal Henry Nichols. You were hired by Stub Newell.

470
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,479
Speaker 2: You follow farmer Noule through a stand of trees. As

471
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: you head towards this barn, fall leaves crunch beneath your feet.

472
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: You look around his property and you think you see

473
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 2: the perfect place for a while. No, Newell says, over there, right,

474
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,719
Speaker 2: by the barn. You approach the barn and Newell opens

475
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 2: it up to get you some tools. An old barn

476
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: cat comes screeching out and sprints by you. You're handed

477
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 2: you tools and get to work. After about three feet,

478
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: your shovel strikes something, probably just some old stone. You

479
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 2: dig a little more and you look into the hole

480
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: that's not rock. You brush some dirt away, and you

481
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,479
Speaker 2: reveal a giant stone foot. Who what in the wild

482
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 2: world of sports is this there? You keep digging of

483
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 2: duck fet Sorry, You keep digging and clearing, and pretty

484
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,959
Speaker 2: soon you see that you've uncovered a large man.

485
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: Wow, very enormous.

486
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: Does this man look in any way realistic?

487
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 3: No?

488
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 2: No, But that doesn't stop your pal Henry from yelling.

489
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: I declare, some old Indian has been buried here.

490
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: So he drinks the moonshine whiskey early in the morning,

491
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 3: he starts with the sun.

492
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 2: Now, how could this man possibly have had this as

493
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: his first guess? Maybe prompted? No matter, You and Henry

494
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 2: and the farmer all agree that this just has to

495
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 2: be a petrified giant the only answer.

496
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 3: And I'm not a credible witness, so from the olden times, yeah,

497
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 3: I mean this is probably really old.

498
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, newel stub. He got to work spreading the word

499
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 2: of the wonder discovered right on his property. This is

500
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: what it said in the Syracuse Journal quote. Men left

501
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: their work, women caught up their babies, and children in numbers,

502
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: all hurried to the scene where the interest of that

503
00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: little community centered. So like it's just you know, magnet. Yeah,

504
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: war of the worlds, but for one object, for one object.

505
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: Cardiff was known for its fossil deposits. Really yeah, apparently

506
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: everyone in the area, every gawker, every amateur expert, was

507
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: sure it was the body of an ancient man who

508
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: had been petrified by a nearby swamp, and initial examinations

509
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: confirmed this theory. Some later determined that the giant wasn't

510
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: a petrified man but a statue, because it doesn't look

511
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: like an actual human being. But it's like, you know,

512
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: it's it's.

513
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: From what I understand, when a body turns to rock,

514
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: when organic trail turns to rock, it shrinks a lot.

515
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 3: So you were gonna have weird structure. Did they make

516
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: it like round level?

517
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: I will show you a picture. I will show you picture.

518
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 3: Be the thing that would throw me off.

519
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: It was like, well it looks like fleshy.

520
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

521
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, come on now, So this was not a

522
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: petrified man this they said, Okay, maybe it's a statue

523
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: and it was not one created and buried by a

524
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: disgruntled atheist.

525
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 3: No, no, of course not.

526
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: It was ancient from olden times. They started thinking, well,

527
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: maybe he was carved by French Jesuits hundreds of years ago,

528
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: like as a way to really wow the indigenous people

529
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: of the region, give them the old razzle dazzle.

530
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: Okay, not like a roadmarker or anything. It's just a

531
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 3: little razzle dazzle from the priest.

532
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: Stub Stubnoel. He was firmly in the man camp. He

533
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: was positive to all outsiders that it was a petrified giant.

534
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 3: I know it's petrified giant. Whant to see one?

535
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 2: Right, there is a man, right, and he's like, you

536
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: know what, I'm going to rebury it. No, shout the neighbors. No,

537
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: don't do it. It has historical value. Well, you know,

538
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 2: I guess you're right. I mean, I can't keep him

539
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: from the world. It's too important.

540
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I who am I to do?

541
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: Not Stub says, I'm gonna do the gracious and selfless thing.

542
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: And he goes out and pitches a white tent over

543
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: it and starts charging twenty five cents submission.

544
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 3: Touch a generation, and then.

545
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: Two days later he raised the price to fifty cents.

546
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,239
Speaker 3: So many people the demand. What can you do? It's

547
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 3: the market is you pay.

548
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: That money, you get fifteen minutes worth of time to spend.

549
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 3: With the giant alone. I'm just wondering if it's like

550
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: and then child the booth had the bag on his head,

551
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 3: you could go in and be with him in the

552
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: closet or whatever for like seven, seven or however many

553
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 3: minutes you wanted.

554
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: Now I think this is like groups of fifteen.

555
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: Like shuffle him in guide show style.

556
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, total sideshow stuff. So the Cardiff Giant is what

557
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 2: it became known as, had twenty five hundred visitors in

558
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: the first week. So if we figure that averages out

559
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 2: to about three hundred and fifty eight visitors a day, okay,

560
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: and the first two days were at twenty five cents,

561
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 2: but the other five days were at fifty cents. I

562
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: am back in sixth grade trying to do some math.

563
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 3: I'm over here with the calculator.

564
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: And so then that meant that over that week he

565
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: made one thousand, seventy four dollars running numbers, and that's

566
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: like twenty four thousand dollars today.

567
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: Okay, wow in a week, that's what's good. Yeah.

568
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: So hotels and restaurants they had more business over that

569
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: those few days than they'd ever had since opening.

570
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: Oh, it was amazing, totally.

571
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: Offers were made to buy the Giant. Yeah, New ol declined.

572
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: So like you got a whole little Florida economy going now.

573
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: So then Hall comes to town the eighties and like

574
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: the conspirators had worked out an agreement. They were going

575
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: to sell the Giant, but it had to be heard well,

576
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: in particular to a syndicate of businessmen that included former

577
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: mayor doctor Amos Westcott and then but it was headed

578
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: up by a man named David Hannam, and they offered

579
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars for a three fourth stake.

580
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: I can tell that these men are not as good

581
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: because their names are not as interesting. So I bet

582
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: they're you know, their subpart.

583
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: But that's like six hundred and seventy thousand dollars today.

584
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: And the men took the deal. They're like of course,

585
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: experts came to examine the piece. Geologist James Hall of

586
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: New York State and professor Henry Wardoff of Rochester University

587
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: were positive, it's an ancient statue. It's not a man,

588
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: it's a statue. Well, of course, Hall said it was

589
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: quote the most remarkable object yet brought to light in

590
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: our country.

591
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 3: Wow. So this leading academic in his field and he's

592
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: coming out there and he goes, it's an each came

593
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: out of the earth. Probably old, is at.

594
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: Last ancient statue, the first president of Cornell University, Andrew D.

595
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: White said, quote being asked my opinion, my answer was

596
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: that the whole matter was undoubtedly a hoax. That there

597
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: was no reason why the farmer should dig a well

598
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: in the spot where the figure was, that it was

599
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: convenient neither to the house nor the barn, that there

600
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: was already a good spring and a stream of water

601
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: running conveniently to both. That as to the figure itself,

602
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: it certainly could not have been carved by any prehistoric race,

603
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: since no part of it showed the characteristics of any

604
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: such early work. That, rude as it was, is betrayed.

605
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: It betrayed the qualities of a modern performance of a

606
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: low order.

607
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: Thank you President Colombo nailed it.

608
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: At the end right. He was, however, surprised by the

609
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: grooves on the bottom part of the Giant. He felt

610
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: that they should have taken years to occur.

611
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: With water and stuff, you're going to get it.

612
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. He later published an article for the Century called

613
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: the Cardiff Giant, The True Story of a Remarkable Deception.

614
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: So he was good. Locals they start remembering things. Remember

615
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: when that George Hole guy came into town with that

616
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: enormous box, like it weighed a few tons, if I.

617
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: Remember, everybody strong in town to help us.

618
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: Like about ten feet long, and then he had it

619
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: haul to his cousin's place. I think that Newel farm

620
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: where say, wait, it was fishy here. Journalists showed up,

621
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: you know, not the puff piece variety, muckrakers.

622
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: Nice muckrakers people.

623
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: And they dug up some wonders of their own. They

624
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: found out that a large sum of money was transferred

625
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: from Newell to Hull after the Giant was sold.

626
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: How did they find that? Back then you got to

627
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: talk to like a banker.

628
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got they got a.

629
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: Somebody in the bank record. Yeah, I like it.

630
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: More questions arose when the Cardiff giant was put on

631
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: exhibition to thousands in Albany and Syracuse. A mining engineer

632
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: mentioned that gypsum would have deteriorated in the soggy environment

633
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: it was found in if it had been there for

634
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 2: such a long time. Hands in his pockets, his shoulders, shrug,

635
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: just saying can I Also, I hate when people say just.

636
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: Saying, well, you know, I get that, but I'm just saying.

637
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: So, who else should arrive on the scene? Off Neil

638
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: Charles Marsh you know him right name?

639
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

640
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the famous Yale paleontologist, and he came

641
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: to check out the Cardiff Giant in a delightfully Yale

642
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: ivy league tweety fashion. He gave the giant a passing

643
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: glance and said, quote a very recent origin and most

644
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: decided humbug.

645
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: Wow, listen to old bones and stones over here. So

646
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: more and more like it coming out thereat.

647
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: It's wonderful. And they're just the high level, like high

648
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: falutin disses.

649
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: This is just.

650
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: More people are bringing forth evidence that it's fake. When

651
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: we come back from this break, I'll let you know

652
00:31:52,520 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: who didn't care if it was fake or real? Hot

653
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: Off the ads. Zarin just ripping right hot off them.

654
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: Those are some deliciously steaming fresh hot ads.

655
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: I feel refreshed by them.

656
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: Commerce sues me, you know, reaches in there.

657
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: I was saying that a lot of people were saying

658
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: very good people coming with tears in their eyes, saying

659
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: that the Cardiff Giant was fake. No, that bit never

660
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: gets old.

661
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: You love that. I love that.

662
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: You know who didn't care if it was fake? P T.

663
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: Barnum. I knew my man would get in a whiff

664
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: of it.

665
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: In the air, like he's floating around those first smell profits.

666
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: All he saw were dollars signed. He he wanted in

667
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: on this money maker. So he offered to purchase it himself,

668
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: purchase him enunciating all of a sudden, for fifty thousand

669
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: dollars on a three month lease.

670
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: I get smart. He's like, this ain't gonna last long.

671
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just flip. And so he made this day

672
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: just one day after Marsh called it humbug.

673
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: He's like, what do I care? Ye? Did the suckers

674
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 3: read your papers?

675
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: They refused his offer. So what did he do? He

676
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: hired a sculptor to create a replica. I can do

677
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: you one better, he secretly made a mold of the

678
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: original with wax, which how how do you I snuck

679
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: in at night, I suppose, and they had a copy

680
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: carved from plaster.

681
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: He literally made his own, like like you want mine,

682
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: I got do the exact same one. Your's his fake,

683
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: mine's faker deeper.

684
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: So he puts it on displaying Manhattan, saying it was

685
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: the original and that the one out and cart it

686
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: was fake.

687
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 3: I prove it wrong.

688
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: So the story comes out. Hannam, who's now the current owner,

689
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: said of the fake to newspapers quote, there's a sucker

690
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: born every minute. Wait, yes, Barnum not only stole the giant,

691
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: he stole that quote.

692
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: So that quote is like attributed. It was a diss

693
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: basically of him. And then he turned around and he's like,

694
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make that the most famous thing about well,

695
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: it was it just.

696
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 2: Of the people who are believing that, Like yeah, and

697
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 2: so it was not P. T.

698
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 3: Barnum about him. That's amazing. Seem weird that somebody like

699
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: that would want to be known for that statement. You

700
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: know what I mean, like you don't give up the game.

701
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: That'd be like a wrestlers like these suckers don't.

702
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 2: Against p t. Barnum in that kind of stuff. He's

703
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: just gonna run right over you. Handam tried to sue Barnum.

704
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: There was a problem. The judge said, in order to

705
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 2: get a favorable injunction, he would first have to get

706
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 2: the giant to swear on its own authenticity. He said, quote,

707
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: bring your giant here, and if he swears to his

708
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: own genuineness as a bona fide petrification, you shall have

709
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: the injunction you ask for.

710
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: I've run in the nineteenth century got so much sad.

711
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: It's totally saddof ads for Barnum's exhibit Red. What is this?

712
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: Is it a statue? Is it a petrification? Is it

713
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: a stupendous fraud? Is it the remains of a former race?

714
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: Give me a nicoll. I'll let you see it for yourself.

715
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: What is it?

716
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: What is I don't know?

717
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: Again it starts off. What is it? I don't know?

718
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: I'll go see it's an Elizabeth that if I've ever

719
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: heard was it?

720
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 2: Who knows? Who cares? Barnum's giant outsold the original Cardiff Giant.

721
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: Of course, both were scheduled to be shown in New

722
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: York City. Having both giants in New York caused a

723
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: lot of confusion though I'm no, I'm the Cardiff. No,

724
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: I'm I'm Spartacus, the Cardiff Giant itself. The original, the

725
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: original fake was forced to relocate to Boston.

726
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 3: Where we got the New York Giants as a name,

727
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: had two giants. However, we had our giants. That was awesome.

728
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: Do you know who went to check out the og

729
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: one in Boston? Who were these hipsters looking for an

730
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: authentic experience?

731
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, what year are we on at this point?

732
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: Eighteen ninety eighteen eighties. I'm gonna go with Robert Barrett Browning.

733
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: Ralph Waldo Emerson I was close, and Oliver Wendell.

734
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 3: Hulks I was close, real close.

735
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: This is back when like thinkers had.

736
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: Three names, not just in killers of presidents.

737
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: Fun facts.

738
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: I'm full of them, yeah, full of it? There, What

739
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: is it?

740
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 2: What is it?

741
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: What is it?

742
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: What is it? The man Barnum hired to make the

743
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: replica decided to make even more copies because like, why not,

744
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: I have the mold, let's keep this going, And then

745
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: he sold them all ten foot doggers. He sells them

746
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: across the country, all over the place. By the end

747
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: of the year, half a dozen Cardiff giants were on

748
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: display across the guys. This is what they wrote in

749
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Inquirer.

750
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: We're so bored back then. You got a big rock,

751
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: I got a nickel.

752
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: Let's do this, someone wrote the Philadelphia inquire quote, it

753
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 2: is rather rich that we should be victimized by such

754
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 2: fraud upon a fraud.

755
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah.

756
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: In eighteen seventy, the fascination had worn off and the

757
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: Cardiff eighteen seventy, the Cardiff Giant became the subject of ridicule.

758
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: Now it wasn't cool anymore. Some still argued that it

759
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: was a piece of antiquity. But at this point, like

760
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 2: Hull himself was publicly bragging about pulling off the hoax,

761
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: like he played the long game. So everyone thinks it is.

762
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: Then it's exposed as a fraud. He's like nin or niner,

763
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: I told you so, there's no such thing.

764
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: Where's that church?

765
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: Exactly? He had his full confession printed in a newspaper

766
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: on December tenth, eighteenth.

767
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: What's Up?

768
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: February eighteen seventy. The Chicago sculptors also had their confessions

769
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: run in newspapers.

770
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: Dude, everyone with the manifesto in the paper. Yes, this

771
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: is nuts.

772
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: And at the same time, and at the same month,

773
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: excuse me, both the Cardiff Giant and Barnum's replica were

774
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: exposed in court as fakes. The judge added, though, that

775
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: Barnum could not be sued for terming a fake giant

776
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: as fake.

777
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he got on that one.

778
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: The number of gawkers dwindled until finally the giant was

779
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: put into storage in a barn in Massachusetts.

780
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: What about all the fake ones across the country.

781
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: Probably the giant passed from owner to owner for a

782
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: time and then did a stint touring the carnival circuit,

783
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: and it was put lost years. It was put on

784
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: display at the Pan American Exposition in nineteen oh one

785
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: and then the Hawkeye Fair and Exhibition.

786
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: In nineteen twenty three.

787
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: It was then purchased by publisher Gardner, Mike Cowell's junior

788
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: of Look magazine and Quality Comics fame. He placed the

789
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: giant in his rumpus room as a coffee table and conversation.

790
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 3: Piece, a tall or tall.

791
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he sold it. He sold it to

792
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown.

793
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: Farmers insurance. I don't know, but I don't know. They

794
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: have a museum of farming. I don't know.

795
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: I didn't look that part up.

796
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just weird farmers point.

797
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: I was like, whatever, I'll tell you what happened at

798
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: this farmer's family.

799
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

800
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: I was just fixated on the rumpest room at this point.

801
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: Anywhere I want to go back.

802
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 3: In time, I'm there in the story. That's where I am.

803
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 2: Barnum's replica is currently on display at Marvin's Marvelous Mechanical Museum.

804
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: Oh my God, what cooin up Arcade and Audity's Museum

805
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: in Farmington Hills, Michigan.

806
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 3: See this is what I should be doing in my life.

807
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: This is my road to my next ROA tip. There

808
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: are also replicas on display. You were asking where are they?

809
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: There's one at the Fort Museum and Frontier Village.

810
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 3: One in Texas, somewhere in Fort Dodge, Iowa, Oklahoma.

811
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: Full circle, It went right back to five, came Home,

812
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: Came Home, Football's Coming Home. Paul issued a proclamation a

813
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: proclamation zeron, saying he wanted to make clear that he

814
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: did not confess because of growing pressure to criticism. No,

815
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: he just wanted to expose the truth in order to

816
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: prove the gullibility of Christians.

817
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 3: He wanted to That's all I wanted. I wanted to

818
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: dance around on y'all overall.

819
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: Even though he spent all that money, he made about

820
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: twenty thousand.

821
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 3: Dollars on this scheme back then money.

822
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: Back, No, yeah, back then, so that's like four hundred

823
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars today.

824
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: That's not bad, real change.

825
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: But it gave him the hunger, gave him the bloodless.

826
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 2: He wanted to go all in on being a flim

827
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 2: flan man. Oh Man couldn't help it. That's not a lifestyle,

828
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: and he couldn't get out of like the genre.

829
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 3: You can't to jump in, hop in and hop out

830
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: of that.

831
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: He built a seven foot giant statue in eighteen seventy

832
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: seven that he named the Solid Muldoon.

833
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: Wait, he's a one hit one, the one hit classics.

834
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: Yes, he became his own cover band. No man, seven

835
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: foot statues.

836
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: You can't do this. This is P. T. Barnom's got

837
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: ideas on ideas. Not like one thing that.

838
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: Worked Solid, the Solid. This one had a tail, not

839
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: a front tail, backtail. Yeah. He did this to be

840
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: quote strongly suggestive of the truth of the Darwinian theory.

841
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 3: Ah, this is like a whole monkey man thing. Yeah.

842
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: Well yeah, he's trying to show evolution and make my

843
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: own fossil.

844
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. To prove this, I added a tail to a

845
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: human Missingly. He came, Yeah, like.

846
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: The link between us and lizards. And you know, keep it.

847
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: Keep your stuff to yourself, dude. I don't know why

848
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: it's so anyway, this is great though. This one was

849
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: made from mortar, rock, dust, clay, plaster, ground bones, blood

850
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: and meat.

851
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 3: And then they.

852
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: Fired it in the kiln for days and then buried

853
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: it in Beula, Colorado.

854
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: Oh man. Yeah.

855
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: It was named after the wrestler William Muldoon. He was

856
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: known as the Solid Man.

857
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 3: Oh because he was just so, he's a big dude,

858
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 3: slab a man.

859
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: Well, and they called him a solid man because it

860
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: was a reference to a song by Edward Harrigan called

861
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: Muldoon the Solid Man. What it's a It's a lovely tune.

862
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: It's a traditional Irish melody. It's an Irish melody. The

863
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: lyrics are like pretty ry and comedic. It's about an

864
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: Irish politician in New York who's outlived his competition. The

865
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: chieftains actually do a really good version of it. The

866
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: big line in there and on the street, every friend

867
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: I meet says, there goes muldoon. He's a solid man.

868
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: I've heard that.

869
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so three months.

870
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: Picting before you started doing the lyrics. But thank you.

871
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: Three months after burying the solid muldoon, it was quote

872
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: unquote discovered by William Connitt. You can never wait, no, three months.

873
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: This guy's like I was out digging for fossil and

874
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: I found a lizard man.

875
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 3: Living memory pass a little so like.

876
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 2: The Cardiff Giant. It was dismissed that, no, this isn't

877
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: a petrified man. This is actually a piece of ancient art.

878
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: So the Denver Daily Times was so convinced of that

879
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: authenticity as an old piece of art. Quote, there can

880
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: be no question about the genuineness of this piece of statuary.

881
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: Oh I love that approach. Yeah, there can be no question.

882
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: I got questions. I didn't happm before, but now I do.

883
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: So where did the solid muldoon go on the road?

884
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: Of course, visitors all over the country got to see it. Eventually,

885
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: the hoax was exposed by the New York Times. The

886
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 2: reporter described the statue as having quote a knowing smile

887
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: on his face, as if enjoying the joke. So the

888
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: solid muldoon disappeared from the public eye right after that. However,

889
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: nearly a century later, in nineteen seventy six, an art

890
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: student recreated the piece using an iron beam plaster and

891
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: molded stucco wire in celebration of Colorado's centennial Wow Wow.

892
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: After a brief road tour, it was put on display

893
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: at El Pueblo History Museum before being buried between Pueblo

894
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 2: and Beulah in a marked plot near Highway seventy eight

895
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty four.

896
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: Like this is a hoax.

897
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: That's like okay, so now there's another stop on my

898
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: road trip to see the marker. Hall didn't invent the

899
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: petrification hoax, though. The newspaper Alta, California ran a petrification

900
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: spoof in eighteen fifty eight. It was presented as a

901
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: letter from a bogus German scholar, Friedrich Lichtenberger, MD. The

902
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: letter explains that a prospector named Ernest Fluckspiegel Flucktorspiegel, Yeah,

903
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: Luckterspiegel drank a half pint of fluid that he found

904
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 2: inside a geode. You crack open a geode. It's got fluid.

905
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: Well you know, oh, I's good Earth, no way anyway,

906
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: and he went back to camp. He said he had

907
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: pains in his quote epigastric and left hypochondriac regions.

908
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: I get I get that all the time.

909
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: I totally do. And then soon apochondriac regions just flairing

910
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: up all the time. Soon after that they said he died.

911
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: That happens. Did you have that happening?

912
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it happens so often.

913
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 3: I wonder if he's okay.

914
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: But Fluchserspiegel wasn't just dead. He'd turned to Stone and

915
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: the other miners. They gathered around and hacked away at

916
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: the corpse with an axe like a field dissection. Doctor

917
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 2: li Stenberger was there. According to the paper, he said

918
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: he found the heart quote strongly resembled a piece of

919
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: red jasper, and like people bought this as a real story.

920
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 2: For well, you know that if you sip on the

921
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: geo juice.

922
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: Well you just wait a little while. In the way

923
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: our education system is going, people will believe this again soon,

924
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: So don't worry. You'll know it exactly what it's like.

925
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: Oh good, Sorry, that too much for it.

926
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 2: I suffer from realness. Hull, the father of the Solid

927
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: Muldoon and the Cardiff Giant. He passed away in nineteen

928
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 2: oh two. The Cardiff Giant inspired a Mark Twain's story

929
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: and also found its way into a Nancy Drew book.

930
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: Uh oh, book forty nine, The Secret of Mirror Bay.

931
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: What's your ridiculous takeaway?

932
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: Oh man? The fact that these people believed, the initial

933
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 3: people believed that a rock statue underground was an actual person,

934
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: and they could be petrified, like in perfect like like

935
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 3: it was Lot's wife and you guys got turned into

936
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 3: a pillar of salt and then fell into the earth.

937
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: That's what I like, how the picture of this stuff.

938
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: But I mean, like I say, once you can believe something,

939
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: you can believe almost anything. And there's some things that

940
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: predated their belief that that person was a real person.

941
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 3: So yeah, I get it. I totally get it. And

942
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 3: I'm loving P. T. Barnum for just cruising this wave

943
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: of credulity and being like, I'll get him whatever what

944
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 3: they want. I don't care. I'm not telling them what

945
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 3: anything is. I'm just saying, you want to see it,

946
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 3: let me.

947
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: Show you a picture of the Cardiff giants while we're here.

948
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 3: He totally looks like he's like, are you looking at

949
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 3: my hog? I mean, yes, I'm just I'm so embarrassed,

950
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 3: but yet look at it. I'm so embarrassed, but look

951
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: at it. That's amazing.

952
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: Keep pushing it into your face.

953
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 3: It is. It's like, wow, yeah, it's not going to leave.

954
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: Fleshy.

955
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 3: I mean it's supposed to be like a hungry man

956
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 3: with a very bottom half.

957
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it does almost.

958
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: He has good thighs and legs too. I'm saying that

959
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 3: that's somebody who's like, wow, he runs or whatever. You know,

960
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 3: he doesn't exactly this.

961
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: It's going on Instagram.

962
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 3: Good.

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00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,160
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964
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: ridiculous Crime dot com. We have t shirts and other

965
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Speaker 2: stuff if you're into that sort of thing. It's all

966
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Speaker 2: limited time only, limited availability, so get it while it's there.

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968
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Speaker 2: Email us Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com, leave a

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Speaker 2: talkback on the iHeart app reach out huh stay hydrated,

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Speaker 2: rud dudes. Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and

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Speaker 2: Zaren Burnett, produced and edited by Dave Kusten, He's a

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Speaker 2: solid man. Research is by Marissa I Think It's an

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Speaker 2: Alien Brown and Andrea Zaren said it's a ghost song

974
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Speaker 2: sharpened tear. The theme song is by Well Digging Outlaws

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Speaker 2: Thomas Lee and Travis Dutton. Executive producers are Rumpus Room

976
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Speaker 2: decorator Ben Bollen and Petrified Giant wholesaler Noel Brown.

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Speaker 3: Dus Qui Say It One More Times.

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