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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 2: scripted as well. Okay, rain Drops, i know it's late

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Speaker 2: on a Friday night, and I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 1: You guys had plans, so.

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Speaker 2: I don't take it for granted that you guys hopped

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Speaker 2: onto Reality with the King Live as Courtney Parker and

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Speaker 2: I are going to do a special edition of Reality

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories based on the break News.

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Speaker 1: We have Judge Tyranny who is back.

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Speaker 2: As well, so I'm gonna bring them in in a second,

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Speaker 2: but I want to make sure that I give enough

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Speaker 2: time so that everybody is here because we haven't done

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Speaker 2: a live in a very long time when it came

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Speaker 2: to a situation like this, So.

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Speaker 1: I'll do my shot out to the rain draws high.

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Speaker 1: Candice speaks. We are all rooting for you. Wendy.

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Speaker 2: I saw that I'm late because I was doing my research.

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Speaker 2: So before I bring in Courtney Parker and Judge Tyranny,

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Speaker 2: I do want to say this. The reason why I

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Speaker 2: wanted to make sure to have this conversation later in

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Speaker 2: the day is because I wanted to make sure, out

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Speaker 2: of respect to my friendship with doctor Wendy, that I

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Speaker 2: and Eddie that I wasn't just going to talk about

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Speaker 2: it immediately after came out. I'm fully aware that when

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Speaker 2: this news hit this morning, that more stuff is gonna

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Speaker 2: come out later in the day, so I wanted to

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Speaker 2: make sure that I wasn't going to just talk about

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Speaker 2: stuff that I wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Fully informed about.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is serious, so I wanted to take this seriously,

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Speaker 2: and I want to make sure that I did all

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Speaker 2: of my research. I want to make sure that I've

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Speaker 2: read every single document. It's the reason why I wanted

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Speaker 2: to make sure to bring on a sitting judge, you know,

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Speaker 2: Judge Tyranny, to really break down not the case because

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Speaker 2: the case is still pending, so she's unable obviously to

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Speaker 2: break down the case it's pending, but to answer some

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Speaker 2: legal questions that I know that you guys wanted to know,

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Speaker 2: so I wanted to make sure that before I did

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Speaker 2: this live, I have all the information. So once again,

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you all for taking time out

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Speaker 2: of your Friday evening to hop on this live. So

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Speaker 2: I feel like we have everyone in here, and let's

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Speaker 2: get round in too, and let's bring in my co

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Speaker 2: host Corney Parker and Judge Tyranny.

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Speaker 3: Hello, good evening.

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Speaker 1: How's it going party? You're muted, I.

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Speaker 4: Said, Hi, Carlos, Hi, rain.

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Speaker 1: Drops, how's it going?

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Speaker 2: So listen, let's get right into where the rain drops

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Speaker 2: have been waiting for hours.

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Speaker 1: To have this conversation.

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Speaker 2: So what I want to do first, Courtney and Judge

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Speaker 2: Tyranny is I want to break down exactly what the

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Speaker 2: court documents are stating so that everybody is fully aware

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Speaker 2: of what is going on. Okay, So rain jobs, listen up,

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Speaker 2: because we are here to report on the facts and

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Speaker 2: to also answer any questions that you guys may have

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Speaker 2: in the chat. Okay, So first thing first, this is

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Speaker 2: the reported timeline.

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Speaker 1: All right. April of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Four, the Oscephos reported a burglary at their Fennsburg, Maryland

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Speaker 2: home while they were on vacation in Jamaica. They told

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Speaker 2: law enforcement their bid room and closets were ransacked and

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Speaker 2: that design of jewelry and handbags were stolen. The alleged

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Speaker 2: losses were over four hundred thousand dollars worth of luxury goods.

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Speaker 2: Perth the court documents and media reports, this is when

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Speaker 2: the investigation was conducted, and these are the findings.

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Speaker 1: Investigator said.

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Speaker 2: The supposed entry point, a bathroom window nine feet above

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Speaker 2: a deck, showed no signs of forced entry. Adt and

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Speaker 2: ring camera footage did not show suspicious activity during the

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Speaker 2: period of the reported breaking. Police later discovered some of

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Speaker 2: the stolen items. Alleged stolen items had been returned for

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Speaker 2: refunds months before the burglary. Okay, social media posts allegedly

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Speaker 2: showed doctor Wendy wearing jewelry claimed to be stolen.

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Speaker 1: All Right.

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Speaker 2: Investigators then executed a search warrant and reportedly found at

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Speaker 1: Of the original stolen list.

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Speaker 2: So they upon that this is what occurred in the timeline,

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Speaker 2: and these are the charges that has happened. As of

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Speaker 2: October of this year, which is this month, the Carroll

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Speaker 2: County Grand Jury induided both Wendy and Eddie Ossepho. Wendy

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Speaker 2: Osepho is being charged with some accounts of insurance fraud,

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Speaker 2: eight counts of conspiracy to commit insurance fraud, one count

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Speaker 2: of making a false statement to a police officer. Eddie

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Speaker 2: is being charged with nine counts of insurance fraud, eight

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Speaker 2: making a false statement to a police officer. So before

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Speaker 2: I bring in Courtney and the judge, I do want

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Speaker 2: to make sure that I also explained to the rain

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Speaker 2: drops what the police is a ledging that they discovered. Okay,

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Speaker 2: they are alleging, and I do want to read this

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Speaker 2: in terms of what exactly happened.

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Speaker 1: All right. So here we go, all right, So not

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Speaker 1: my life going on, child, Here we go, all right.

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Speaker 2: So this is the actual core document that I'm reading from,

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Speaker 2: So this is this is what they are alleging. On Thursday,

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Speaker 2: October ninth, twenty twenty five, the defendant was indicted by

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Speaker 2: the grand jury for seven consum Insurance FRAUL. I've read

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Speaker 2: you guys saw that, and a warrant was issued and

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Speaker 2: bail was set at fifty thousand dollars. I told you

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Speaker 2: guys what the allegations were already based on the court documents.

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Speaker 2: This is what they're alleging right now. They're saying that

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Speaker 2: investigation determinent that On April eighth, the Osephos initiated three

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Speaker 2: separate insurance claims for the burglary and theft, Travelers Insurance,

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Speaker 2: Jewelers Mutual Insurance, and Home Site Insurance Company for the alleged.

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Speaker 1: Losses suffered while they were away.

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Speaker 2: They're alleging that Eddie gave recorded statements to two of

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Speaker 2: the insurance companies regarding a list of stolen items he provided.

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Speaker 2: He was asked whether any of the items on the

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Speaker 2: list have their return, which he denied. He was asked

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Speaker 2: if he had other insurance, but fell to disclose. The

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Speaker 2: Home Site and Jewelerers that he was also making a

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Speaker 1: Of loss, which was notarized.

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Speaker 2: The total amount of loss claim on the sworn statement

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Speaker 2: to disclose the policy with Travelers Insurance. In the original

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Speaker 2: claim submit on April eighth to Travelers, Eddie confirmed that

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Speaker 2: he and his wife were wearing their anniversary bands when

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Speaker 2: the loss occurred. However, Eddie called Travelers Insurance on April

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Speaker 2: his wife's gold diamond anniversary band was missing. That same day,

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Speaker 2: Traveler's Insurance settled that claim for twenty five one thousand,

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Speaker 1: One more thing.

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Speaker 2: After the initial reported claim, on April eleven, they both

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Speaker 2: signed and submitted letters to the jeweler's mutual insurance claiming

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Speaker 2: the burglary occurred and items were reported stolen. At the

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Speaker 2: request of Jewelry's mutual insurance, the Osephas provided an initial

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Speaker 2: list of fifty seven stolen items. Included on that list

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Speaker 2: in the Travelers insurance claim. Now, on April twenty second,

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Speaker 2: Eddie was interviewed during a recorded call and did not

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Speaker 2: the Travelers. They're saying that deputies were suspicious of the

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Speaker 2: circumstances of the burglary and the records from stores where

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Speaker 2: that they found that the items that.

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Speaker 1: They claim were stolen were returned.

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Speaker 2: Before the burglary, and they're alleging that a ring that

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Speaker 2: that in a social media post. As of now, they

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Speaker 2: about exactly what is going on.

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Speaker 1: So Courtney tell us some questions to ask.

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Speaker 2: I want to start by asking Judge Tyranny this so

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Speaker 2: Ray John's we are fortunate enough to have a sitting

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Speaker 2: judge who's able to break down the law to us. Again,

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Speaker 2: this isn't for us to have colorful commentary. I want

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Speaker 2: So Courtney has her questions. I'll start by asking, okay, judge,

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Speaker 2: the nine counts of insurance fraud, but only eight counts

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Speaker 2: of conspiracy insurance problem?

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Speaker 1: Are those two different things? Like?

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Speaker 2: What are the difference between counts of insurance fraud but

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Speaker 2: other counts of conspiracy of insurance fraud?

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Speaker 3: So I will just repeat again that I cannot speak

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Speaker 3: I can't specifically say eight versus nine or nine versus eight.

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Speaker 3: I can't give legal advice. But what I will tell

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Speaker 3: jury and during the grand jury. This is not innocent

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Speaker 3: so depending on whatever was And what's really key about

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Speaker 3: the time so that the witnesses are protected. So at

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Speaker 3: this time, you wouldn't technically know what was presented to

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Speaker 5: I do have a question, because we all were very

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Speaker 5: invested in the press conference today where the prosecutor made

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Speaker 5: it very clear his intentions for filing, as well as

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Speaker 5: the sheriff surrounding this their intentions on supporting the claims

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Speaker 5: against Wendy and her husband, my question becomes. One of

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Speaker 5: the things that stuck out to me was how their

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Speaker 5: investigation started immediately from when the officers were boots on

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Speaker 5: the ground at the house to questions in red flags

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Speaker 5: posing how an alleged burglar got into a second story

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Speaker 5: open window in a bathroom, Like all of the things

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Speaker 5: that rose suspicion for officers on at the scene are

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Speaker 5: now part of this indictment pending investigation as we speak.

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Speaker 5: So when we look at that, when evidence of that

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Speaker 5: how then is that going to potentially come back to

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Speaker 5: haunt the couple now as they're presenting new evidence saying

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Speaker 5: we suspect we not only suspect fraud, but investigators from

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Speaker 5: the insurance claim as well as our personal officers have

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Speaker 5: started to scour.

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Speaker 4: Your social media.

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Speaker 5: We're looking at the crime scene and we're sending investigators

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Speaker 5: back on the crime scene to make sure that it

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Speaker 5: is your statements were reasonable and rational, which they're now

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Speaker 5: discovering or not. What are we looking at in terms

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm going to repeat it again because I

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Speaker 1: Not proven you. The grand jury felt like, you have

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Speaker 5: Right, As We've seen one of these other cases that

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Speaker 3: That's correct. It's their burden we did have, and.

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Speaker 3: That would probably be a question for Carlos. He would

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Speaker 3: And I apologize because you did ask me that when

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Speaker 3: And lastly, making a foster report is exactly what it

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Speaker 3: And the foster report is generally most of the times

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Speaker 5: Got it.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is, as of now, this is a

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Speaker 1: Generally, they're going to.

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Speaker 3: So, again, a false statement to the police is always

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Speaker 5: Does a lower level charge attached to a much larger

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Speaker 2: They are alleging that they were able to get into

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Speaker 2: How were they able to find these How does law

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Speaker 2: enforcement able to find emails without your permission?

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Speaker 3: Yes, you absolutely have a warrant. It has to have

446
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Speaker 3: a warrant, and it has to be executed by a judge.

447
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: It may not necessarily be the judge in the case,

448
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Speaker 3: but it has to be executed by a judge because

449
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 3: a judge has to review the information that you have presented,

450
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Speaker 3: stating the reason why you need to actually collect this evidence.

451
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Speaker 2: And so.

452
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Speaker 3: A share supartment or prosecutor or an investigator is always

453
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Speaker 3: going to have to get a warrant. But again I

454
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: go back to making sure that the public, especially the

455
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: rain drops, are not making any conclusions at this point,

456
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Speaker 3: because you know, it's like having a one sided conversation.

457
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Speaker 3: They have put forth and said a lot of things,

458
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Speaker 3: but now on the other side the defense side, they

459
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: get to review everything. They get to review evidence, the veracity,

460
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Speaker 3: the authenticity of it, They get to review the relevance

461
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Speaker 3: of it. They get to a review if it was

462
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Speaker 3: done procedurally and what is going to actually be included

463
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Speaker 3: for a jury and a judge to decide ultimately what

464
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Speaker 3: happens in the case. So in pre trial negotiations you

465
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: go through actually going through all of the most in

466
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Speaker 3: presenting the evidence to say this is what will be

467
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Speaker 3: allowed to be presented in this case in court, and

468
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Speaker 3: that is super important. So again I just I caution

469
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Speaker 3: the public in any case, please allow the facts and

470
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Speaker 3: the evidence to guide your journey. Do not jump ahead

471
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Speaker 3: of the journey, but do be educated so that you

472
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Speaker 3: understand exactly what is going on and that you are

473
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Speaker 3: not making conclusions, you know, apprehensively or prematurely.

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Speaker 5: Can we talk about Here's what I find fascinating, and

475
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Speaker 5: I know this kind of goes to your question, Michael Smith.

476
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Speaker 5: For one of the things that is being alleged is

477
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Speaker 5: that they doubled itpped, so they file multiple insurance claims

478
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 5: on the same item, and that drove up the price

479
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Speaker 5: of what they actually collected on through several different insurance entities.

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Speaker 5: What is shocking in all of this is that he

481
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Speaker 5: is an attorney, so there were a lot of risk

482
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Speaker 5: involved and will there be any kind I know you're saying,

483
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Speaker 5: don't jump to the conclusions, but it's very hard not

484
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Speaker 5: to at least be conscious of the fact that an attorney,

485
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Speaker 5: a prominent attorney.

486
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Speaker 4: Who's and his wife who is very visible on reality TV.

487
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Speaker 5: They are you know, fan favorites, that they didn't have

488
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Speaker 5: some idea. It's not you know me or just some

489
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 5: regular person filing acclaim. It's somebody who actually has a

490
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Speaker 5: clear understanding of the law and also consciously doing something

491
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Speaker 5: that could appear as fraud, fraudulent.

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Speaker 4: Or you know, just something shady.

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Speaker 1: So I think the question is this though, is it?

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Speaker 2: And I want to simpify for the brain drops, because

495
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Speaker 2: again I don't to ask the questions for the brain

496
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Speaker 2: drops to know is it illegal to claim a stolen

497
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Speaker 2: item or more than one insurance company?

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Speaker 3: That would be inconsistent with the law. But again I

499
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Speaker 3: want to make sure we are talking in generalities and

500
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Speaker 3: making you are making conclusions because you're stating that someone

501
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Speaker 3: has consciously done something. It's IMpower to speak to someone's

502
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: state of minde. That is what the legal process is for.

503
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 3: That is what court is for, because intent must be proven.

504
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Speaker 3: But I'm a judge, Carlos is in the law school

505
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Speaker 3: of rain Drops, the I.

506
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Speaker 4: Got my law degree from Law and Order University.

507
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Speaker 3: Humans make mistakes. You cannot criminalize mistakes. There has to

508
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: be intent. You have to knowingly and willingly break the law.

509
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: You have to knowingly and willingly mislead someone. And that

510
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: is why we must let the process lead in the courtroom,

511
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: not play out in the media. Headlines sound great, but

512
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 3: facts and evidence are what lead in a courtroom.

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Speaker 1: Yes, no, agree.

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Speaker 2: And that's the reason why I want to make sure

515
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Speaker 2: to do this episode with you, because again I wanted

516
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Speaker 2: to make sure that we had enough time to get

517
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Speaker 2: all the facts that was presented, just based. And when

518
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Speaker 2: I say facts, I'm not saying that what they're a

519
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Speaker 2: legend is factual. I'm meaning facts in terms of things

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Speaker 2: that were in the court documents.

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Speaker 1: I want to make that very clear when I say that.

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Speaker 2: In addition to that, it was more so of the

523
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Speaker 2: generalities for anybody if it's doubled, if you double dip

524
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Speaker 2: on assurance claim, whoever you are, and was that illegal.

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Speaker 1: Now you answered that. Listen, you have to prove that

526
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Speaker 1: this person had intent to do it.

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Speaker 2: And I think at the end of the day, look

528
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Speaker 2: the reason why people are saying you're innocent to prove

529
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Speaker 2: and guilty, and why some people are even saying, well,

530
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Speaker 2: why was Wendy and Eddie smiling in their mugshots? You know, look,

531
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Speaker 2: Eddie is a lawyer, and perhaps there's way more information

532
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Speaker 2: that we will find out as this case proceeds that

533
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Speaker 2: really warrants whether or not intent was involved in these allegations.

534
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Speaker 1: What I do want to ask you is this, Eddie

535
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Speaker 1: is a lawyer. He has a law degree.

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Speaker 2: If any lawyer, if any lawyer is convicted of a crime,

537
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Speaker 2: whether it's a state crime, a federal crime, a misdemeanor

538
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Speaker 2: or not, is that something to where you are disbarred

539
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Speaker 2: from it or are there something that has to be

540
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Speaker 2: to a high degree for that to happen?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: So the first thing, again I'm not aware, but if

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Speaker 3: you are a lawyer, then you actually graduate from law school.

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Speaker 3: There are two things that happen. You have to actually

545
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Speaker 3: pass the fitness test to sit for the bar, and

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Speaker 3: then you have to sit for the bar and pass it.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not sure if you are practicing attorney, because

548
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Speaker 3: people graduate from law school all the time and they

549
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Speaker 3: may not be practicing.

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Speaker 1: Ah.

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Speaker 3: So you have to be a practicing attorney licensed to

552
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Speaker 3: a state in order to lose your license. So I

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Speaker 3: just want to clarify that in each state you have

554
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Speaker 3: to take a fitness test to sit for the bar examination,

555
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Speaker 3: and then you actually have to pass the bar examination,

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Speaker 3: and that is how you become a practicing lawyer in

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Speaker 3: that state. But absolutely, if you are charged with a

558
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Speaker 3: crime and convicted right that state bar is going to

559
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Speaker 3: do an investigation and you will be given due diligence,

560
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Speaker 3: just like in any other process. But if any lawyer

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Speaker 3: is convicted of a crime, depending on the nature of

562
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Speaker 3: the crime, especially a phony crime, their license is more

563
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Speaker 3: than likely going to be revoked.

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Speaker 4: In that state. Could they practice in another state?

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Speaker 3: It is state by state, so the states would have

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Speaker 3: to decide. Let's say I am licensed in the state

567
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Speaker 3: of Georgia. If I lose my license in the state

568
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Speaker 3: of Georgia, I still have to go apply in another state.

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Speaker 3: That's the fitness test I'm talking about, where they do

570
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Speaker 3: a basically a background check on you and check everything

571
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Speaker 3: and say you can be trusted with someone else's life

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Speaker 3: and financial matters.

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Speaker 1: That's a fitness test.

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Speaker 3: That's the fitness test. So you could go to law

575
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Speaker 3: school and not be allowed to sit for the bar examination.

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Speaker 3: You have to pass the fitness test first.

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Speaker 2: As a fitness test is a background it's a deep.

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Speaker 3: Guy background check, and it is not just a background

579
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Speaker 3: check that relates to criminality. It relates to your financial matters.

580
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Speaker 3: Like they want to make sure that anytime you're allowing

581
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Speaker 3: someone to be entrusted with other people's lives and financial matters,

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Speaker 3: that they are trustworthy.

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Speaker 4: So if you.

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Speaker 3: Like don't pay your bills on time, or have multiple

585
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Speaker 3: lawsuits filed against you, you might be denied to sit

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Speaker 3: for the bar after going to law school for three years.

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Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, hold, I hold, I'll hold on, hold on,

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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on. If I am in law school all.

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Speaker 2: And in order for me to pass the fitness test,

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Speaker 2: this background check is so deep that if you find

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Speaker 2: that I pay my bills late, I could fail the

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Speaker 2: fitness test.

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Speaker 3: You could fail the fitness test after three years of

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Speaker 3: law school, and we don't apply until our third year,

595
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Speaker 3: and so you could have gone through that. But here's

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Speaker 3: the thing in a lot of space.

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Speaker 4: It's not.

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Speaker 3: It's like any other tests. You can try again, so

599
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 3: you can go resolve your matters and you can present

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Speaker 3: your case again and come back and say, I have

601
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Speaker 3: you know, been reformed. I've done this, this and this.

602
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Speaker 3: I've got my life on path. I understood through this

603
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Speaker 3: process and now I'm a better person, which is going

604
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Speaker 3: to make me a better lawyer, because there are a

605
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Speaker 3: lot of people in our community who have time, you know,

606
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Speaker 3: trouble not paying their bills. But it is it's a

607
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Speaker 3: devastating thing, to be honest with you. It happened to

608
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Speaker 3: a guy I knew in law school, and it was

609
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Speaker 3: devastating to him.

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Speaker 2: M M.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Someone in the comments said it's a character as well

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Speaker 5: as fitness test, absolutely, and I thought that was very

615
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Speaker 5: interesting because there there was a distinction on the character.

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Speaker 4: So your character.

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Speaker 5: Is very as equally as important to this fitness test.

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Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, it's the same thing character and fitness, so

619
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Speaker 3: that it goes into your character. But which is why

620
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Speaker 3: they use your financial background as a way to define

621
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Speaker 3: your character. But they also use things like your school background,

622
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Speaker 3: They use you know, your driving history. They review so

623
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Speaker 3: many things in your life to make sure that you

624
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Speaker 3: actually can be entrusted with the life and financial matters

625
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Speaker 3: of the public.

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Speaker 4: Got it.

627
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Speaker 3: And we've said all that to say that it's very

628
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Speaker 3: unlikely if I lose my license in one state that

629
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Speaker 3: another state would actually grant me the right to actually

630
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Speaker 3: try and pursue my license in their state.

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Speaker 4: Is there going to be a way?

632
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Speaker 5: And again we are dealing with a lot of hypotheticals

633
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Speaker 5: because this is just unfolding. But in the event there

634
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Speaker 5: there isn't redeeming quality here, right like, if this comes

635
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Speaker 5: to show that he's actually guilty of this, loses his

636
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 5: license only if he's a practicing attorney. I thought that

637
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 5: was a good note and take away that I will

638
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 5: take away. Is there like a grace period or is

639
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Speaker 5: there a period of time where you could reapply for

640
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Speaker 5: your license even after something like this happens should he

641
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Speaker 5: be convicted.

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Speaker 3: It is going to be based on the state. So

643
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Speaker 3: each state is going to have different requirements, just like

644
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: they have different laws and penalties. So the state that

645
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: you know he applies to will depend.

646
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Speaker 5: I know one of the rain drops ask a question

647
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Speaker 5: from our from a loan I mean an insurance adjuster

648
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Speaker 5: and the insurance adjuster in the comments stated that it

649
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Speaker 5: is illegal to file multiple claims.

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Speaker 4: And I do remember and recall.

651
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Speaker 5: My purse got stolen, my you know, my credit cards,

652
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Speaker 5: things were in there when I filled it out for

653
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 5: my credit cards as well as my homeowner's insurance. They

654
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 5: do ask you if you filed a claim with another

655
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Speaker 5: company to list it, list the things that you're claiming

656
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Speaker 5: with that company versus what you're claiming there.

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Speaker 4: Those documents, especially if you're.

658
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Speaker 5: In a state of you know, shock or dismay, can

659
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 5: become confusing because what you might be able to, what

660
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 5: might be covered through let's say AMEX, is not necessarily

661
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 5: going to be covered through anything else that you you've

662
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Speaker 5: gotten stolen. So there is a good chance considering that

663
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Speaker 5: that I really do hope that it was more confusing

664
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Speaker 5: than just malicious, because though it's just.

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Speaker 4: One can be right.

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Speaker 3: I think that you know, you just gave a great

667
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Speaker 3: example of why intent is so important and fraud because

668
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Speaker 3: you know, we're humans. We make human errors. Sometimes people

669
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Speaker 3: don't understand the language. Sometimes there's miscommunication between family members

670
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Speaker 3: or spouses. Sometimes the record keeping is a little sloppy. Again,

671
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Speaker 3: the intent is really important.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question.

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Speaker 2: So a range Job asked, So, what's interesting about this

674
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Speaker 2: is a married couple who are being charged for allegedly

675
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Speaker 2: committing crime within the same household, within insurance, but they

676
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Speaker 2: have different counts. What I will say is this, I'm

677
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Speaker 2: not a lawyer, but what I will say similarly to

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Speaker 2: Teresa Judais and Joe Judais.

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Speaker 1: Range dropped it, so you all know. But I'll have

680
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Speaker 1: to judge answer that she wants to.

681
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Speaker 2: But what I can say based on my knowledge of

682
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Speaker 2: Teresa and Joe, a married couple who both were arrested

683
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Speaker 2: and charged and both sent us to jail, they went

684
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Speaker 2: to trial separately because and you tell me if I'm wrong, Judge,

685
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Speaker 2: the law views you as individuals, so you're in some cases.

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Speaker 1: So I'm assuming in this case that Eddie and Wendy

687
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Speaker 1: possibly will go to trial.

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Speaker 3: Separately, and if there be any case when there are

689
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Speaker 3: co defendants, you can have a trial. Again, we always

690
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: are talking about the use of public funds, and so

691
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: we all always want to make sure that the government

692
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Speaker 3: is responsibly spending the public's money because the money belongs

693
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Speaker 3: to the public in all of these cases, and so

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Speaker 3: you have the right to try any co defendant together,

695
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Speaker 3: but equally, because these are criminal charges and each defendant

696
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Speaker 3: has a right to their own defense, they can file

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Speaker 3: for emotions to separate their trials. So again that's why

698
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Speaker 3: you have to and I just keep repeating this, you

699
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: have to judge each case based on its own facts, merits,

700
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Speaker 3: and circumstances. It's really hard to predict, which is why

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Speaker 3: we shouldn't. We should really follow the evidence and just

702
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Speaker 3: what is presented in court, including the motions, because that

703
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Speaker 3: would be a motion that would be filed in court

704
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Speaker 3: either to move forward together or to separate the trials.

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Speaker 2: M What what I do want to get into is this,

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Speaker 2: and first of all, Judge, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your insight, because I want to make sure that we

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Speaker 2: spend time really dissecting the law, because, like you said,

709
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Speaker 2: there's so much information going out here that I want

710
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Speaker 2: to make sure that we were able to.

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Speaker 1: Sort of talk about the law instead of the relatiousness.

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Speaker 2: Now, what I will say is, as we transition into

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Speaker 2: more breaking news, Courtney Parker, who also is a Reality

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Speaker 2: to Be producer, what.

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Speaker 1: Came out tonight is the fact is the fact that

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Speaker 1: there's a news show that's appearing.

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Speaker 2: I Believe on Bravo and Peacock called White Swap, and

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Speaker 2: doctor Wendy is a part of White Swap. It has

719
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Speaker 2: been reported today that the network has decided to pull

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Speaker 2: that episode as a Now.

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Speaker 5: Wow, and I was just reading that the they're they're

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Speaker 5: also talking about delaying next week's premiere to the following week.

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Speaker 1: Well, no premiere on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: This the fourteenth premiere is now being possibly moved to

725
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Speaker 5: next week.

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Speaker 2: Oh you mean the premiere, Wife Soma? Sorry, yes, Wifeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: So okay, So what Courneya says? She's right, So Wife

728
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Speaker 2: Swap was supposed to premiere on October fourteenth, rain Drops,

729
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Speaker 2: which is Tuesday. Courneya is saying that, yes, they pulled

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Speaker 2: the episode with Wendy in it, and now that they

731
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Speaker 2: may be pushing back the premiere. The only thing I

732
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Speaker 2: can assume, I can assume as a producer is if

733
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Speaker 2: they're pushing back the premiere, I wonder if doctor Wendy

734
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Speaker 2: was in the first episode.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, And I'm saying that with certainty.

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Speaker 5: Because we've all been there when your show was supposed

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Speaker 5: to premiere there was all this media attention. Networks are

738
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Speaker 5: very calculated in their rollout so there's always the piggyback

739
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Speaker 5: of There's always the piggyback of promotion, whoever is hot.

740
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Speaker 5: I did a show recently and there was a tragedy

741
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Speaker 5: surrounding one of our celebrities.

742
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Speaker 4: This particular celebrity lost.

743
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Speaker 5: Two family members within the same week of my show premiering.

744
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Speaker 5: She was my first episode. We ended up having to

745
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Speaker 5: move her to the third episode because of all the promotion.

746
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Speaker 5: We didn't want to be insensitive, the network didn't want

747
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Speaker 5: to be insensitive. We needed to do immediate damage control.

748
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Speaker 5: So if they were the first episode, which I'm very

749
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Speaker 5: confident in assuming that they were, that's why they have to,

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Speaker 5: you know, recalibrate and they have to shuffle the episodes

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Speaker 5: and make whatever number two was number one so that

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Speaker 5: they don't mess up the network calendar and the show's

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Speaker 5: calendar of production.

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Speaker 1: What is so interesting? Yeah, yeah, and it is, and

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Speaker 1: it is and it is and listen.

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Speaker 2: One of the brands asked a good question, Carlos, why

757
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Speaker 2: would they do that? Why would a network pull the episode?

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Speaker 2: So again I'm speaking in generals, I to speak to

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Speaker 2: a brama representative, but what I can say is I

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Speaker 2: think we have to look at it this way. Wife

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Speaker 2: Swap is a very different show than Real Housewives, right,

762
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Speaker 2: the Real Housewives, as we know, we saw the premier

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Speaker 2: episode Potomac. We saw that it opened up with Karen

764
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Speaker 2: getting out of jail for her DUI conviction. We saw

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Speaker 2: that Teresa had to turn herself in go to jail.

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Speaker 2: Was then Camus follow her coming back home. I think

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Speaker 2: on Housewives that may be something that Okay, let's follow

768
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Speaker 2: the reality. The difference rain drops between Housewives and Wife Swap.

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Speaker 2: Wife Swap based on the show that was on I

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Speaker 2: believe it was Lifetime. For my mistaken that's a different show,

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Speaker 2: and it's different. It's more wholesome. It's also a show

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Speaker 2: that you know you're in these people's homes.

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Speaker 1: You know. That show is more comedy.

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Speaker 2: It's more so like, oh if I could live in

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Speaker 2: your house one day, what would that feel like? So

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Speaker 2: it's a very different show tonally than a Real Housewives.

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Speaker 2: And I think the other thing too is, look, this

778
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Speaker 2: is a brand new show, and the last thing you

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Speaker 2: want for a brand new show a series premiere is

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Speaker 2: this level of scandal.

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Speaker 1: Now, granted, the range jobs in the comments, but Carlos

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Speaker 1: the Rangers will be high. I agree with you, But

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Speaker 1: I think on some.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'll answer a question of some own I think

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Speaker 2: in these cases leave it, leave leave that back up.

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Speaker 1: For me as a mom, I want to make sure

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Speaker 1: I remember and read it directly.

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Speaker 2: White Swap is a brand new show, so to have

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Speaker 2: that type of, like Cortney said, controversy may not be

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Speaker 2: appetizing for the appetizers.

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Speaker 4: I want to make a correction. White Swap is not

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Speaker 4: a brand new show. But it's been no no, no, no, right, it's.

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Speaker 5: It's been off the air for a significant amount of time,

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Speaker 5: so it's now coming back.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: But the difference, right, but but it's a brand new

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Speaker 2: show for this network because they change, and they also

798
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Speaker 2: changed the creative is now Housewives is Housewives swapping over

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Speaker 2: with people? Got it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I want to make sure we knew that,

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Speaker 1: Mia Simon Carlos. We really want to know. Is Bravo

802
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Speaker 1: still filming? Are we getting any of this for the season?

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Speaker 1: You guys are so funny.

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Speaker 2: No, they wrapped the show. They wrapped the show. They

805
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 2: were not listen, they were they were not filming at.

806
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Speaker 1: All this season. They wrapped the show.

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Speaker 2: Now, look, they also were not filming when Karen was sentenced,

808
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: and as we saw, they got the cameras back when

809
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Speaker 2: she was released and they weren't filming then.

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Speaker 1: Now do I think that they are going to film this?

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Speaker 2: I think it's a high probability that we may at

812
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Speaker 2: the season finale of The Real Housewives of Potomac, whatever

813
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 2: the ending scene is, I would not be surprised if

814
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 2: it fades to black and it says X amount of

815
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 2: weeks later and then you see the girls reacting to this.

816
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 2: You see Giselle and Ashley on the phone, You see

817
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Speaker 2: the girls reacting to this like they did with Karen's

818
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Speaker 2: dure conviction, and then you get to see possibly Windy

819
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Speaker 2: and Eddie talk about it as much as they can

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Speaker 2: based on the severity of this case. So I would

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Speaker 2: not be surprised if cameras are back up, if not

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Speaker 2: this weekend, on Monday, this weekend, you think.

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Speaker 4: This week, I mean, Carlos, you would have us have

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Speaker 4: cameras up right now.

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Speaker 1: The time.

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Speaker 4: And the press.

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Speaker 2: Conference, yes, so you know that's that's That's what I

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Speaker 2: think is a probability of that happening. So look, Raine Jobs,

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Speaker 2: the biggest thing is this, though obviously more information is

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Speaker 2: going to be revealed.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to spend today's live focus just on what

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00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 2: was presented to us, from the press conference to the

834
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: documents that were released to us, to have Judge Tarranny,

835
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Speaker 2: who actually was.

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Speaker 1: Out of town, who was hanging out with her kids.

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Speaker 2: And she took time out of her busy schedule to

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Speaker 2: break down the legal jargon for us, because again, we

839
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Speaker 2: just don't know what so many things mean, and it's

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Speaker 2: I think it's helpful to have someone of her stature

841
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Speaker 2: on this platform to really break.

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00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: Down things to us to a science.

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Speaker 2: And look, obviously, the more information to come out, the

844
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Speaker 2: more we'll talk about it.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted this one to really.

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Speaker 2: Feel like we were able to give you guys some

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Speaker 2: really factual definition of some of the legal jargon. That was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also appreciate.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate y'all. It's as good for us to know.

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Speaker 5: Not to jump to conclusions because one of the things

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Speaker 5: that you really did harp on and we will be

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Speaker 5: students of this as well, is just allowing us to

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Speaker 5: have some clarity, allowing us to not jump to conclusions,

854
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Speaker 5: and just kind of breaking down some of the things

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Speaker 5: that these alleged charges mean. And also the preparation for

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Speaker 5: the defense to do just that defend, because we hear

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Speaker 5: a lot from the prosecutors before we ever hear from

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Speaker 5: the defense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just was going to say, I appreciate

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Speaker 3: you all inviting me in doing this for the rain

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Speaker 3: drops and the greater public. I say this to you

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Speaker 3: all all the time, because you know, it's one of

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Speaker 3: the reasons I wanted to be a guest. There were

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Speaker 3: so many things that the people in my community didn't understand.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in a low income, impoverished community in Jacksonville, Florida,

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Speaker 3: and it's so important for us to have information. Carlos,

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Speaker 3: you said, you know, we're not doing in solations. We

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Speaker 3: are actually educating, making sure that people understand what is

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Speaker 3: going on, because you just never know what will happen

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Speaker 3: in your own life or your family's life. So I

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Speaker 3: do appreciate you all making sure that you take your time.

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Speaker 3: Of course, you know your jobs allow for you or

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Speaker 3: you know, encourage you to follow the headlines. But I

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Speaker 3: love that you all are responsible in the way of

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Speaker 3: educating the public. At the same time. I think that

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Speaker 3: is so important and to be actually commended.

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, no, thank you for that thank you for that,

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Speaker 2: so listen, we will be back with more information, Raine Jows,

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Speaker 2: but thank you God for taking time out on your

880
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: busy Friday night. And once again, I'll repeat it for

881
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Speaker 2: the judge. You are innocent until proven guilty, so more

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01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 2: to come when it comes to this case. So thank

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Speaker 2: you Courtney, Thank you, Judge, Tirany and rain John, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Have a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: And look, Bell Collective is back tonight.

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Speaker 2: Okay, episode two A Bell Collective that's coming on an

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Speaker 2: eight o'clock all right, it's Courtney's favorite show, Bell Collective,

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Speaker 2: eight o'clock tonight, So Rain John, I got forty five

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Speaker 2: minutes to put the kids, to bid, to warm up

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Speaker 2: your food, to cook a child, to get your wine ready.

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Speaker 2: Episode two of Bell Collective tonight on the Oprah Winfrey Network.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna live two with you guys, and I'll see

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Speaker 2: y'all there. Reality with the King is executive produced by

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Speaker 2: me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership

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Speaker 2: with the Lack Effect Network. You can also find us

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Speaker 2: on my YouTube channel at be Carlos King Underscore