WEBVTT - Hour 2 - Jack Nicklaus (04-09-20) 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.560 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:08.920 Sports Radio Patrier. So sports may be hard to come 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.119 by at the moment. Nothing's permanent, permanent, but the Dan 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:15.480 Patrick's Show is impossible to miss. From our podcast to 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:19.759 YouTube to the iHeartRadio app, listen any way you want, anytime, 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.880 anywhere good away from me, probably at your house. I'm 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:39.520 just gonna make some assumptions. Welcome to The Dan Patrick Show. 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.720 Handkcar Hall of Famer. I've been watching your show. You 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.320 you do a magnificent jar, bringing you the biggest guests 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.600 and best sports talk on air. Danuel Jeremiah start of 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.960 the NFL Network. If you could get a totally honest 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.240 answer with Tom Brady on any topic, what would you 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.600 want to know about Tom? If you're the quarterbackh of 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:02.920 the Baltimore Ravens their personnel, how many Super Bowls would 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.840 you have won there? So? I bet you if he 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:10.520 told the truth, he'd take ten. Really, you've got arguing 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:12.760 me the greatest middle linebacker of all time, arguably the 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.360 greatest free safety of all time. What top three left 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:19.840 tackle in NFL history? In the Jonathan Ogden broadcasting from 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.759 the Mercedes Man Cave, he just blew my mind there. 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:27.440 This is Dan Patrick. Welcome to the program. Already in progress. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.160 It's our two. On this Thursday, we spent some time 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.120 with Ernie Johnson from TNT. Last hour, we'll talk to 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:38.120 Jack Nicholas, eighteen time major winner, and it was on 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.200 this day in nineteen seventy two that he won the 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.600 fourth of his six screen jackets. Jim Nance. Hello, friends. 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.160 We'll talk to him what he thinks Augusta will be 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.240 like in November. He'll join us coming up a little 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.760 bit later on and call him doctor Myron Roll Mass 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:57.160 General Hospital doctor. You'll talk about the coronavirus, the impact 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.520 that it's had there. He's a former defensive back from 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.400 Florida State and in the NFL decided that he wanted 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.240 to go into med school and he is now a doctor. 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.679 Got a pull question, mclevan. Are we going to stick 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.400 with that from the first hour? Yeah, because I want 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.480 to see the results change. The question was would rather 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.240 your kid be a doctor or professional athlete? Fifty seven 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.520 percent said doctor. Well, I think that's what you say publicly, 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.040 but you know this is an anonymous poll question. So 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.880 if I said, well, I threw out if your son 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.720 could be the second baseman for the Detroit Tigers. Would 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:32.640 that be good? And then mclovin said, Hey, I have 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.360 a problem with that because they had three different second 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:40.200 basemans for the Detroit Tigers and they're all terrible. Yeah, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.000 but you're still the second baseman for all right. How 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:47.640 about you're the left fielder for the Seattle Mariners. Yeah, okay, 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.079 I looked that up. He's Todd suggested that they don't 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.960 even have a starting left fielder, are also terrible. Can 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.079 you can I be a wide receiver for these? Wait? 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.280 So left field is empty? They just platoon a bunch 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.040 of random guys according to the I'm not sure. I 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.799 haven't want Samarina's place since Griffy was there, But can 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.160 I be a wide receiver for like the Jaguars? Yeah, 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.720 if you want to, sure, Good luck with that. We 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.239 spent some time talking about Tom Brady the interview with 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.280 Howard Stern yesterday. And you know, the point that I 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:21.200 made with this with Tom Brady is Tom is so 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:25.000 good at not telling you anything about football. But Howard 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.840 was honing in on, let's talk about you the person 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.639 in your personal life with your wife, and that's where 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.760 I think he got some gold yesterday, and you know 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.480 he's talking about, look, we were going to see a 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.400 marriage counselor she basically said, hey, this is all about you, 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.000 and it can't be you got to help me out 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.960 at home. And you know, just that's sort of what 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.120 you wanted a window into who is Tom Brady because 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.560 the guy we see feels a little robotic there. But 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.800 what Howard was doing over that two hour period is 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:58.520 you're just trying to chip away. You're just trying to 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.400 get something. And then you follow up on him, and 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.040 you know, we got some of that yesterday Brady. Also, 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.600 you know, this is something that Brady became a victim 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.800 of what happened with all of his other teammates, and 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:14.320 that is Bill Belichick treated this like a business and Brady, 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.000 you know, was treating it personally. He had one hundred 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.719 and sixty three different players on at least one of 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:25.239 his Super Bowl winning teams, only in fact, no player 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:29.320 was on more than three of those teams, so interchangeable parts. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.320 And then Tom eventually got caught up in that that 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.760 he was one of those interchangeable parts. All right, we'll 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.480 get to your phone calls and let's make way for 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.080 Jack Nicholas, who joins us on the program. Good morning Jack. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.920 How are you, hey, Dan? How are you doing? Where 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.120 are you right now? I'm at home. I've been here 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.119 for about three and a half weeks in the house. 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.320 Are you what are you doing to kind of keep 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:57.800 your mind going? Well, I'm calling that Dan packet. I 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.200 know I had to tell you Jack, not today, all 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.840 meet tomorrow here, Let's let's do it on the anniversary. 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:05.880 I can do I can do that again. You know 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.640 I'm not doing anything else. I'm telling you. I just 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.000 I'm sitting to him. I think I watched Caddie Shaft 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.599 about four times, and Stripes a couple of times, and 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.919 you know, a couple with a few good men. I 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:19.840 think I've seen that a couple of times. I mean, 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.000 you know, you've watched watch a little bit of everything. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.000 Is there a putting green or chipping area that you 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.480 go out and can you do that? Oh? I can, 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:32.200 But I don't, you know, I don't. I've got I've 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.000 got a little artificial putting green out in back, which 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.120 I've had for about seven or eight years. I don't 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:41.200 think I've ever hit a putt on it. Really well, 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.279 you know, I don't once I stopped playing golf, I 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:47.040 just sort of, you know, stopped doing that stuff. Well, 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.440 you know, this is the anniversary, if I think, from 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:53.360 your seventy two Masters championship. But of all the championships, 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.719 which one do you get the most questions about? Well, 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.719 I think obviously eighty six. I mean, I think that 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:04.200 seventy five was a pretty pretty good year and the 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.919 wisecoff and Miller coming down the stretch that was that 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.360 was a heck of a tournament. But at eighty six 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.400 is a one where I wasn't supposed to win and 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:16.119 nobody expected me to win, including me, and I found 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.320 lightning in the bottle and it works. But also when 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.360 you go out and you just post a score and 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:26.440 then you're waiting because normally you're usually in that final twosome. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.000 You know the difference between actually being out there competing 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.600 with somebody or waiting to see what happens. How agonizing 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.440 was that for you? Well, you know, I think that 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.480 when we started the day, I was four shots back 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.240 and I had eight players in front of me, and 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.480 I thought that was reasonable. And my son Steve had 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.640 called me in the morning and he said, what do 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.600 you think, Pop said, I said, well, Steve, I think 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.839 I think sixty six or sixty five will win. He says, 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.080 exact score. I haven't mind go shoot it. So I 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.200 had a you know, sort of a little bit of 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.800 a field of Chris Jackie was on the bag, and 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:06.640 uh we uh we got going. We didn't get a 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.840 very good start, and we were sort of just even 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:11.920 through eight holes. Then I birdied the ninth hole, and 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.760 on Bertie Tan birdied eleven. You know, sort of got 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.040 a little enthusiasm. Then I bowtie twelve at the end 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:20.000 up turn around Birdie thirteen, of course, and I eagled fifteen, 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.600 Birdie sixteen, and birdie seventeen. And that's when I got 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:25.800 into the lead of the tournament. So once I got 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:27.480 into the lead of the tournament, I finished and all 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.320 of a sudden, you know, it looks like I've got 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.760 a shot to win. I went into the Jones cabin 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:38.560 and sat there, and I was sitting in a couch 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.400 and watching watched Tom Kite missed his putt at the 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.120 last hole, and then I watched, uh Sevey or not 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.240 sev Sevey had already passed because he hit at the 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.480 water in fifteen. But the Greg Norman started Bertie, Uh, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.240 you know, he made made I think I four or 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.480 five birdies in a row, and I'm sitting on the 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.040 couch and I said, yeah, he's making too many birdies, 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.200 so let me sitting here. So I got up, walked 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.400 around behind the couch, stood up, and watched the last 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.240 two Hols thirty seventeen. I said, well, I'm gonna stay 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.200 here though on it. But you know, you know, there's 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:08.840 nothing you can do about it. All you're sitting there 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:14.400 and doing is watching. And that's not usually been my mode. 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.320 My mode is you're right being in one of the 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.560 last couple of groups and playing for it right down 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:20.960 to the end. But this time I was sitting there 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.920 watching the last few groups, and I'll tell you that's 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.640 a little harder. What did you say from nineteen eighty 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:31.280 six Masters? What did I want from it? Save save 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:36.320 like clubs your plaid pants? Well, you know, oddly enough, 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.599 the only I have every single golf club that I 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.240 ever want a major with except one. And you can 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:47.320 guess what that is. That's that big putter. I think 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.160 I know where it is. I think it's sitting in 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:54.080 Billy scanning the tennis players. So living room at home. 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.240 I think I gave it to him one time to play, 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:59.880 and I think it's stayed in his bag. But I 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.520 know I got every other club that I ever played with, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.679 and that's the one I'm missing. So I'm missing that 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:08.840 I had the clubs. Uh. But from from from that tournament, 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.760 you know, I realized that uh uh you know, if 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.680 you put your mind to something and uh uh you're 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.800 you're you're. I was relatively well prepared for the tournament, 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.480 even though I was not in the in the peak 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.679 of my game. Uh. And all of a sudden, I 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:28.160 got to the last nine holes and I remembered how 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.560 to play, and I remembered what it took to finish 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.079 a golf tournament. And when you do that, that is 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.240 so much fun. Because all of a sudden, I'm saying, Okay, 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:39.800 I gotta do this, I gotta do that. I got 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.360 I can't do this, I can't do that. My abilities 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.240 allow me to do this. My abilities won't allow me 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.600 to do this, you know. And all of a sudden, 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.079 it all came together and I finished the tournament, and 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.760 that that was what I came away with, is that, 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.240 you know, I could still do something. Uh, if you 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.319 really put your mind to it. But did you know 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.559 you had lost that to then have to remember to 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.000 get it back? Well, I think I think everybody loses it. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.840 I mean, if you, I know, you know that your 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.240 skills start to erode or you get into a certain age. 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:12.920 And I was having more fun watching my kids play 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:18.839 football and basketball and whatever, and so I wasn't working 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.440 as hard at it. But the skills were there, they 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.480 were just hidden, and so I had to go find them. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:28.120 And I really wasn't worried about pulling them out until 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.120 all of a sudden I got myself in contention and 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.240 I needed to and I did. So that was that 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.560 was really very rewarding for me. Talking to Jack Nicholas, 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.480 it was on this day, nineteen seventy two that he 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.679 won his fourth of six green jackets. And you get 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.559 to take them off site for a little while. Do 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:47.959 you get to take them off for a year and 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:49.719 then they have to go back to Augusta. Is that 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.000 how the green jackets work? Well? I never took mine 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.480 office site. I know that. I remember Gary Player the 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.520 first time he won his, he got a call from 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:05.680 Cliff Roberts and he said Cliff said to him, he said, Carrie, 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:07.760 we can't find you're a green jacket. You know where 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.719 it is, he says. He says, yes, mister Roberts, I've 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:12.800 got it right here in South Africa. He said, well, 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.160 you know it's not supposed to leave the property. He says, well, 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:19.360 you can come and get it anytime you want. But anyway, 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:21.520 we got the kick out of that. But you know, 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.240 I never took mine off the property. And oddly enough, 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.679 I tell you a quick story, I never got my 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.120 own green jacket. The first year I won, I got 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.240 a They put a forty six long on me, and 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:36.040 I'm about a forty three regular. And the next year, 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.760 the next year I came back, there was a jacket 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.640 my locker. It was Tom Dewey's jacket, former governor in 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:46.240 New York. And Jack his jacket pent me perfect. And 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.439 they never gave me a green jacket. So I worked. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.880 I wore Tom Dewey's jacket for the next twenty five years. 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.240 And finally in nineteen ninety eight they were going to 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.560 do a thing between sixteen and seventeen a water fountain, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.720 you know a story about it. And I was sitting 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.760 down with Jack Stevens was a chairman man he said. 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.439 I told him the story, I've never been presented a 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.439 green jacket. He as what he says, all these years, 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.800 everybody gets green jackets. You'd never got one. I said, note, 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.840 I've never had a green jacket, and he says, So anyway, 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:16.719 I went home for the weekend and came back and 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.559 there was a note in my locker. You will go 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.400 to the pro job and you will be fit for 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.440 your green jacket. So the first green jacket I ever 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.559 had was nineteen ninety eight. That's amazing, amazing. What do 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.120 you think Augusta is going to look like play like 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:33.040 in November? I think you'll play all right. I think 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:36.520 the fairways will be the question. I don't know what 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:38.360 they'll do. I don't know whether they'll oversee them early 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.720 or wait until after the tournament to oversee them. Because 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:47.440 the Bermuda fairways would play beautifully in November. The greens 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:48.800 will be fine. There won't be a problem with the 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.920 green jo Obviously you won't have the color throughout out 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.280 the course. But if they can get the fairways good, 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.040 I think the golfers will play fine. They're gonna have 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:00.160 shorter days, there's a lot more daylight in April than 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.760 there is in November, so the sun will be a 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:09.720 little bit of a different problem. Um probably probably November 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.679 not that much win, you know, I think they'll have 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.480 a good tournament. I don't think they probably. I'm delighted 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:16.960 that they're going to have it. I didn't think they'd 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:18.280 be able to get it in. I thought with all 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.959 the other tournaments and all the other commitments that the 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.640 tour has to put it together, it was tough that 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.439 they putting. They're putting all the major tournaments and except 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.559 you know, the British Open canceled. But it's uh. I 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.360 think it's great that they're going ahead and getting the 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.920 Masters in in normal times. Could could you just show 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.280 up and play at Augusta if you wanted to? I mean, 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.480 not the tournament, but just show up to play the course. 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.440 Any any former champion can come and play anytime he once, 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.080 but he can't bring guests now. Arnold and I were 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.000 the only two regular members of the course. We were 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.959 invited to join sometime during our career, and I can 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.319 take guests and play anytime I want to, But I 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:02.319 guess I'm the only one now. But it's it's just 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.480 really neat to be able to have some friends and say, hey, 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.520 I would like to go up to Gusta for the weekend. 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.679 You know, not many have more drop what they've got 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:12.760 to be able to go. Well. I got to stay 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:17.319 in the Eisenhower cabin and stay overnight there, and you 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.880 just walk over to the girl room and it was 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:24.120 just a wonderful experience because nobody was there, and the 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:28.120 caddies were wonderful. They're betting on you. I got traded 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:32.840 on the first tea by a caddy. It was just 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.440 it was fun. And the most fun I had was 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.000 when I went to twelve because twelve, as an amateur, 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.680 we play at the same yardage that the pros do. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.120 And when you see when you're up there and you go, 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.880 it doesn't look that difficult. And then all of a sudden, 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.360 I'm in Raised Creek after hitting an eight iron, I go, yeah, 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.880 I get it. I you know, it's the optical illusion 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:59.440 of it's beautiful, but it's incredibly challenging there. Do you 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.760 have great memories of twelve? Oh? Yeah. The first year 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:08.000 I played there, I hit a I was played with 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.440 falling Roger McManus and Roger hit hit a shot and 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.440 he hit it that went through the green, and I 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.960 think Roger hit a six iron. Well, you know, I said, well, 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:19.000 I don't want to hit it through the green. So 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.920 I hit seven iron and the ball ballooned right up 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.400 in the air, and I made it about halfway across 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:29.040 the creek, and I said whoops. And so I figured 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:30.360 out that you don't want to be throwing the ball 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.160 real high in there. You want to keep it underneath 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.640 the trees. That he can. And for some reason, the 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:36.560 whole play is much better left to right than it 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.880 does right to left. Right to left. The ball goes 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.680 across the green in the narrow side of it, and 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.720 the green sort of works this way left to right 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.200 a little bit away from you, and so a left 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.440 to right shot coming up the greens works in better. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.360 And it seems to work with a wind better. But 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.360 I think I may have hit it in there another 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.400 time during my career, but it's I didn't hit it 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:58.440 in there very much. After that first time, you learned 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:00.840 what you did wrong, and then you go out and 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.480 do in practice rounds and try to replicate what you 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.640 were doing and just sort of sit there and say, okay, okay, 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.040 I can't do that. I can do this and you 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.200 learn how to play it, but it's a it's probably 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:15.960 still I consider it probably the scariest parts rein golf. 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:18.960 But you know you have all the fully I mean, 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.120 you have all the growth there though. Jack, that's what 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.560 like it. It makes it seem like it's an optical 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.880 illusion of it. Hey, that's beautiful. And then you realize, no, 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.480 you got to you gotta put it on a small green. 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:32.600 You don't want to go along with the bunker. You 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.600 go short. It goes into the creek. The wind as 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.000 you're looking on thirteen, the wind above thirteen tea. You 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.400 just came off eleven with the flag and you look 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.200 at that and I'm going, oh my god. You could 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:48.200 overprocess the information there. Well, everybody over processes it, and 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.320 you just have it. You gotta be a little bit lucky, 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:51.920 and you gotta sort of watch the wind. I don't know, 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.880 I'm not sure which wind you watch, but you gotta 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.240 watch so that you don't get caught in the gusts. 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.560 How many presidents have you played with him? Not bat many? 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.879 I was, uh, I supposed to play with Eisenhower and 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.080 he got sick one day and he ended up going 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.520 around in an exhibition with Arnold and May and Uh. 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.720 Then I played, Uh, Jerry Ford, I played. I played 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:17.640 a lot of rounds of golf with Jerry Ford. We played. 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.080 We played at Double Beach together quite often, in the 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:25.080 in the in the in the Crosby and Uh I played. 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.120 I played quite a few rounds with Clinton, just played 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:33.320 a few holes with Uh. Uh h h W. Bush. 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.680 Not played with George. We've been scheduled to play several 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.240 times and never have made it. And Uh, of course 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.080 I played. I played quite a bit of golf with Trump. 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.800 Now at that of that group, can you can you 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.480 rank who's the best president you played with? Uh? Well, 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:55.920 they're all good presidents. I mean golfers as Uh. I think. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.400 I think I think Trump's the best player. Okay Trump, 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.680 Trump had the ball quite nicely. He's he's pretty long, 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.840 He's got a nice golf swing. Uh. He doesn't. He 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.520 plays golf much the way I do. Now. He doesn't 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.120 really care about a score. He goes out and hits 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:12.800 the ball. If he hits it out of play, he says, okay, 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.960 just give me another one, and uh uh you know, 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.240 he doesn't hold up, play plays fast. He just he 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:23.280 wants half fun. Uh much like h W. He was 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.800 not a score either. He just tried to he want 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:30.520 to play around the golf course. I understand that young 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.800 George is uh a single digit player and is a 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:38.400 pretty good player now, but uh he's uh we haven't 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.200 been able together. Clinton could have been a good player. 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.000 He has a nice golf swing. Uh. You know, I 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.720 just I don't think he ever he was. He was 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.040 one who just you know, took so many mulligans that 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:53.600 he never which is all right, you know, that was 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.479 the way he played. He had fun and so uh 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.439 And but Jerry Jerry Ford was a very serious golfer. 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:06.040 He uh he was. He was about a thirteen and 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.040 he played with a thirteen eighty four eighty five and 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.720 he uh, he grind, He was a grinder and he 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.439 just he just he just loved he loved playing golfie. 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.760 Of course, he was an athlete and he was a 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.040 good athlete, and he just he just loved to play. 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.000 I'll leave you with this. Of all the years and 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.480 I've talked to you and everything I've read about you, 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.240 I just realized that the mascot of your high school 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:37.120 up was Upper Arlington, Is that right? The Golden Bears, right, Yeah, 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.800 that's right. Is that where the nickname came from. Well, 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.120 it sort of came from there. In nineteen sixty one, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.360 the year before I turned pro, or the fall when 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.240 I turned pro, a fall named Don Lawrence for the 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.640 Melbourne Age in Australia wrote an article about me. Martin 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:56.399 mccromick was down there and he called me a cuddly 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:59.040 Golden Bear in the article because I was large and 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:03.560 blonde at the time. And so first contract I had 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.480 was with a Revere Sports where out of Boston, and 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.520 they were looking for an emblem and we kept going 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:11.959 through all kinds of things trying to find some kind 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.399 of a crest or an MB one and you know, 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.440 I said, hey, guys, you know I like the Golden Bear. 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:21.119 I was a Golden Bear in high school. I've been 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:22.399 a Golden Bear in my life. Why don't we just 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.800 stay a Golden Bear. And that's how it happened. Well, 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.960 I did not know that I forgot all about Upper 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.960 Arlington and the Golden Bears. It's great to hear from you. 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:35.040 Thanks for sharing, and uh hope, I hope you don't 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.600 have to go back to Caddyshack and Stripes anytime. Soon 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.280 and maybe you add something else to your TV repertoire, 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:45.680 if they put anything decent on or if I could 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:48.720 figure out how to work net place. Oh no, that's 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.639 what I'm not grand kids for. Oh. I know what 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:56.440 I'll tell you. I'm a I'm a electronic idiot. You know, 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:00.720 I am terrible. But anyway, wear and I've been watching 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:03.160