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Speaker 1: the NFL Network. If you could get a totally honest
Speaker 1: answer with Tom Brady on any topic, what would you
Speaker 1: want to know about Tom? If you're the quarterbackh of
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens their personnel, how many Super Bowls would
Speaker 1: you have won there? So? I bet you if he
Speaker 1: told the truth, he'd take ten. Really, you've got arguing
Speaker 1: me the greatest middle linebacker of all time, arguably the
Speaker 1: greatest free safety of all time. What top three left
Speaker 1: tackle in NFL history? In the Jonathan Ogden broadcasting from
Speaker 1: the Mercedes Man Cave, he just blew my mind there.
Speaker 1: This is Dan Patrick. Welcome to the program. Already in progress.
Speaker 1: It's our two. On this Thursday, we spent some time
Speaker 1: with Ernie Johnson from TNT. Last hour, we'll talk to
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholas, eighteen time major winner, and it was on
Speaker 1: this day in nineteen seventy two that he won the
Speaker 1: fourth of his six screen jackets. Jim Nance. Hello, friends.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to him what he thinks Augusta will be
Speaker 1: like in November. He'll join us coming up a little
Speaker 1: bit later on and call him doctor Myron Roll Mass
Speaker 1: General Hospital doctor. You'll talk about the coronavirus, the impact
Speaker 1: that it's had there. He's a former defensive back from
Speaker 1: Florida State and in the NFL decided that he wanted
Speaker 1: to go into med school and he is now a doctor.
Speaker 1: Got a pull question, mclevan. Are we going to stick
Speaker 1: with that from the first hour? Yeah, because I want
Speaker 1: to see the results change. The question was would rather
Speaker 1: your kid be a doctor or professional athlete? Fifty seven
Speaker 1: percent said doctor. Well, I think that's what you say publicly,
Speaker 1: but you know this is an anonymous poll question. So
Speaker 1: if I said, well, I threw out if your son
Speaker 1: could be the second baseman for the Detroit Tigers. Would
Speaker 1: that be good? And then mclovin said, Hey, I have
Speaker 1: a problem with that because they had three different second
Speaker 1: basemans for the Detroit Tigers and they're all terrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're still the second baseman for all right. How
Speaker 1: about you're the left fielder for the Seattle Mariners. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I looked that up. He's Todd suggested that they don't
Speaker 1: even have a starting left fielder, are also terrible. Can
Speaker 1: you can I be a wide receiver for these? Wait?
Speaker 1: So left field is empty? They just platoon a bunch
Speaker 1: of random guys according to the I'm not sure. I
Speaker 1: haven't want Samarina's place since Griffy was there, But can
Speaker 1: I be a wide receiver for like the Jaguars? Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you want to, sure, Good luck with that. We
Speaker 1: spent some time talking about Tom Brady the interview with
Speaker 1: Howard Stern yesterday. And you know, the point that I
Speaker 1: made with this with Tom Brady is Tom is so
Speaker 1: good at not telling you anything about football. But Howard
Speaker 1: was honing in on, let's talk about you the person
Speaker 1: in your personal life with your wife, and that's where
Speaker 1: I think he got some gold yesterday, and you know
Speaker 1: he's talking about, look, we were going to see a
Speaker 1: marriage counselor she basically said, hey, this is all about you,
Speaker 1: and it can't be you got to help me out
Speaker 1: at home. And you know, just that's sort of what
Speaker 1: you wanted a window into who is Tom Brady because
Speaker 1: the guy we see feels a little robotic there. But
Speaker 1: what Howard was doing over that two hour period is
Speaker 1: you're just trying to chip away. You're just trying to
Speaker 1: get something. And then you follow up on him, and
Speaker 1: you know, we got some of that yesterday Brady. Also,
Speaker 1: you know, this is something that Brady became a victim
Speaker 1: of what happened with all of his other teammates, and
Speaker 1: that is Bill Belichick treated this like a business and Brady,
Speaker 1: you know, was treating it personally. He had one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty three different players on at least one of
Speaker 1: his Super Bowl winning teams, only in fact, no player
Speaker 1: was on more than three of those teams, so interchangeable parts.
Speaker 1: And then Tom eventually got caught up in that that
Speaker 1: he was one of those interchangeable parts. All right, we'll
Speaker 1: get to your phone calls and let's make way for
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholas, who joins us on the program. Good morning Jack.
Speaker 1: How are you, hey, Dan? How are you doing? Where
Speaker 1: are you right now? I'm at home. I've been here
Speaker 1: for about three and a half weeks in the house.
Speaker 1: Are you what are you doing to kind of keep
Speaker 1: your mind going? Well, I'm calling that Dan packet. I
Speaker 1: know I had to tell you Jack, not today, all
Speaker 1: meet tomorrow here, Let's let's do it on the anniversary.
Speaker 1: I can do I can do that again. You know
Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything else. I'm telling you. I just
Speaker 1: I'm sitting to him. I think I watched Caddie Shaft
Speaker 1: about four times, and Stripes a couple of times, and
Speaker 1: you know, a couple with a few good men. I
Speaker 1: think I've seen that a couple of times. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you've watched watch a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1: Is there a putting green or chipping area that you
Speaker 1: go out and can you do that? Oh? I can,
Speaker 1: But I don't, you know, I don't. I've got I've
Speaker 1: got a little artificial putting green out in back, which
Speaker 1: I've had for about seven or eight years. I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever hit a putt on it. Really well,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't once I stopped playing golf, I
Speaker 1: just sort of, you know, stopped doing that stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, this is the anniversary, if I think, from
Speaker 1: your seventy two Masters championship. But of all the championships,
Speaker 1: which one do you get the most questions about? Well,
Speaker 1: I think obviously eighty six. I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: seventy five was a pretty pretty good year and the
Speaker 1: wisecoff and Miller coming down the stretch that was that
Speaker 1: was a heck of a tournament. But at eighty six
Speaker 1: is a one where I wasn't supposed to win and
Speaker 1: nobody expected me to win, including me, and I found
Speaker 1: lightning in the bottle and it works. But also when
Speaker 1: you go out and you just post a score and
Speaker 1: then you're waiting because normally you're usually in that final twosome.
Speaker 1: You know the difference between actually being out there competing
Speaker 1: with somebody or waiting to see what happens. How agonizing
Speaker 1: was that for you? Well, you know, I think that
Speaker 1: when we started the day, I was four shots back
Speaker 1: and I had eight players in front of me, and
Speaker 1: I thought that was reasonable. And my son Steve had
Speaker 1: called me in the morning and he said, what do
Speaker 1: you think, Pop said, I said, well, Steve, I think
Speaker 1: I think sixty six or sixty five will win. He says,
Speaker 1: exact score. I haven't mind go shoot it. So I
Speaker 1: had a you know, sort of a little bit of
Speaker 1: a field of Chris Jackie was on the bag, and
Speaker 1: uh we uh we got going. We didn't get a
Speaker 1: very good start, and we were sort of just even
Speaker 1: through eight holes. Then I birdied the ninth hole, and
Speaker 1: on Bertie Tan birdied eleven. You know, sort of got
Speaker 1: a little enthusiasm. Then I bowtie twelve at the end
Speaker 1: up turn around Birdie thirteen, of course, and I eagled fifteen,
Speaker 1: Birdie sixteen, and birdie seventeen. And that's when I got
Speaker 1: into the lead of the tournament. So once I got
Speaker 1: into the lead of the tournament, I finished and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, it looks like I've got
Speaker 1: a shot to win. I went into the Jones cabin
Speaker 1: and sat there, and I was sitting in a couch
Speaker 1: and watching watched Tom Kite missed his putt at the
Speaker 1: last hole, and then I watched, uh Sevey or not
Speaker 1: sev Sevey had already passed because he hit at the
Speaker 1: water in fifteen. But the Greg Norman started Bertie, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he made made I think I four or
Speaker 1: five birdies in a row, and I'm sitting on the
Speaker 1: couch and I said, yeah, he's making too many birdies,
Speaker 1: so let me sitting here. So I got up, walked
Speaker 1: around behind the couch, stood up, and watched the last
Speaker 1: two Hols thirty seventeen. I said, well, I'm gonna stay
Speaker 1: here though on it. But you know, you know, there's
Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it. All you're sitting there
Speaker 1: and doing is watching. And that's not usually been my mode.
Speaker 1: My mode is you're right being in one of the
Speaker 1: last couple of groups and playing for it right down
Speaker 1: to the end. But this time I was sitting there
Speaker 1: watching the last few groups, and I'll tell you that's
Speaker 1: a little harder. What did you say from nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: six Masters? What did I want from it? Save save
Speaker 1: like clubs your plaid pants? Well, you know, oddly enough,
Speaker 1: the only I have every single golf club that I
Speaker 1: ever want a major with except one. And you can
Speaker 1: guess what that is. That's that big putter. I think
Speaker 1: I know where it is. I think it's sitting in
Speaker 1: Billy scanning the tennis players. So living room at home.
Speaker 1: I think I gave it to him one time to play,
Speaker 1: and I think it's stayed in his bag. But I
Speaker 1: know I got every other club that I ever played with,
Speaker 1: and that's the one I'm missing. So I'm missing that
Speaker 1: I had the clubs. Uh. But from from from that tournament,
Speaker 1: you know, I realized that uh uh you know, if
Speaker 1: you put your mind to something and uh uh you're
Speaker 1: you're you're. I was relatively well prepared for the tournament,
Speaker 1: even though I was not in the in the peak
Speaker 1: of my game. Uh. And all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: got to the last nine holes and I remembered how
Speaker 1: to play, and I remembered what it took to finish
Speaker 1: a golf tournament. And when you do that, that is
Speaker 1: so much fun. Because all of a sudden, I'm saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta do this, I gotta do that. I got
Speaker 1: I can't do this, I can't do that. My abilities
Speaker 1: allow me to do this. My abilities won't allow me
Speaker 1: to do this, you know. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it all came together and I finished the tournament, and
Speaker 1: that that was what I came away with, is that,
Speaker 1: you know, I could still do something. Uh, if you
Speaker 1: really put your mind to it. But did you know
Speaker 1: you had lost that to then have to remember to
Speaker 1: get it back? Well, I think I think everybody loses it.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you, I know, you know that your
Speaker 1: skills start to erode or you get into a certain age.
Speaker 1: And I was having more fun watching my kids play
Speaker 1: football and basketball and whatever, and so I wasn't working
Speaker 1: as hard at it. But the skills were there, they
Speaker 1: were just hidden, and so I had to go find them.
Speaker 1: And I really wasn't worried about pulling them out until
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I got myself in contention and
Speaker 1: I needed to and I did. So that was that
Speaker 1: was really very rewarding for me. Talking to Jack Nicholas,
Speaker 1: it was on this day, nineteen seventy two that he
Speaker 1: won his fourth of six green jackets. And you get
Speaker 1: to take them off site for a little while. Do
Speaker 1: you get to take them off for a year and
Speaker 1: then they have to go back to Augusta. Is that
Speaker 1: how the green jackets work? Well? I never took mine
Speaker 1: office site. I know that. I remember Gary Player the
Speaker 1: first time he won his, he got a call from
Speaker 1: Cliff Roberts and he said Cliff said to him, he said, Carrie,
Speaker 1: we can't find you're a green jacket. You know where
Speaker 1: it is, he says. He says, yes, mister Roberts, I've
Speaker 1: got it right here in South Africa. He said, well,
Speaker 1: you know it's not supposed to leave the property. He says, well,
Speaker 1: you can come and get it anytime you want. But anyway,
Speaker 1: we got the kick out of that. But you know,
Speaker 1: I never took mine off the property. And oddly enough,
Speaker 1: I tell you a quick story, I never got my
Speaker 1: own green jacket. The first year I won, I got
Speaker 1: a They put a forty six long on me, and
Speaker 1: I'm about a forty three regular. And the next year,
Speaker 1: the next year I came back, there was a jacket
Speaker 1: my locker. It was Tom Dewey's jacket, former governor in
Speaker 1: New York. And Jack his jacket pent me perfect. And
Speaker 1: they never gave me a green jacket. So I worked.
Speaker 1: I wore Tom Dewey's jacket for the next twenty five years.
Speaker 1: And finally in nineteen ninety eight they were going to
Speaker 1: do a thing between sixteen and seventeen a water fountain,
Speaker 1: you know a story about it. And I was sitting
Speaker 1: down with Jack Stevens was a chairman man he said.
Speaker 1: I told him the story, I've never been presented a
Speaker 1: green jacket. He as what he says, all these years,
Speaker 1: everybody gets green jackets. You'd never got one. I said, note,
Speaker 1: I've never had a green jacket, and he says, So anyway,
Speaker 1: I went home for the weekend and came back and
Speaker 1: there was a note in my locker. You will go
Speaker 1: to the pro job and you will be fit for
Speaker 1: your green jacket. So the first green jacket I ever
Speaker 1: had was nineteen ninety eight. That's amazing, amazing. What do
Speaker 1: you think Augusta is going to look like play like
Speaker 1: in November? I think you'll play all right. I think
Speaker 1: the fairways will be the question. I don't know what
Speaker 1: they'll do. I don't know whether they'll oversee them early
Speaker 1: or wait until after the tournament to oversee them. Because
Speaker 1: the Bermuda fairways would play beautifully in November. The greens
Speaker 1: will be fine. There won't be a problem with the
Speaker 1: green jo Obviously you won't have the color throughout out
Speaker 1: the course. But if they can get the fairways good,
Speaker 1: I think the golfers will play fine. They're gonna have
Speaker 1: shorter days, there's a lot more daylight in April than
Speaker 1: there is in November, so the sun will be a
Speaker 1: little bit of a different problem. Um probably probably November
Speaker 1: not that much win, you know, I think they'll have
Speaker 1: a good tournament. I don't think they probably. I'm delighted
Speaker 1: that they're going to have it. I didn't think they'd
Speaker 1: be able to get it in. I thought with all
Speaker 1: the other tournaments and all the other commitments that the
Speaker 1: tour has to put it together, it was tough that
Speaker 1: they putting. They're putting all the major tournaments and except
Speaker 1: you know, the British Open canceled. But it's uh. I
Speaker 1: think it's great that they're going ahead and getting the
Speaker 1: Masters in in normal times. Could could you just show
Speaker 1: up and play at Augusta if you wanted to? I mean,
Speaker 1: not the tournament, but just show up to play the course.
Speaker 1: Any any former champion can come and play anytime he once,
Speaker 1: but he can't bring guests now. Arnold and I were
Speaker 1: the only two regular members of the course. We were
Speaker 1: invited to join sometime during our career, and I can
Speaker 1: take guests and play anytime I want to, But I
Speaker 1: guess I'm the only one now. But it's it's just
Speaker 1: really neat to be able to have some friends and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I would like to go up to Gusta for the weekend.
Speaker 1: You know, not many have more drop what they've got
Speaker 1: to be able to go. Well. I got to stay
Speaker 1: in the Eisenhower cabin and stay overnight there, and you
Speaker 1: just walk over to the girl room and it was
Speaker 1: just a wonderful experience because nobody was there, and the
Speaker 1: caddies were wonderful. They're betting on you. I got traded
Speaker 1: on the first tea by a caddy. It was just
Speaker 1: it was fun. And the most fun I had was
Speaker 1: when I went to twelve because twelve, as an amateur,
Speaker 1: we play at the same yardage that the pros do.
Speaker 1: And when you see when you're up there and you go,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look that difficult. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I'm in Raised Creek after hitting an eight iron, I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it. I you know, it's the optical illusion
Speaker 1: of it's beautiful, but it's incredibly challenging there. Do you
Speaker 1: have great memories of twelve? Oh? Yeah. The first year
Speaker 1: I played there, I hit a I was played with
Speaker 1: falling Roger McManus and Roger hit hit a shot and
Speaker 1: he hit it that went through the green, and I
Speaker 1: think Roger hit a six iron. Well, you know, I said, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to hit it through the green. So
Speaker 1: I hit seven iron and the ball ballooned right up
Speaker 1: in the air, and I made it about halfway across
Speaker 1: the creek, and I said whoops. And so I figured
Speaker 1: out that you don't want to be throwing the ball
Speaker 1: real high in there. You want to keep it underneath
Speaker 1: the trees. That he can. And for some reason, the
Speaker 1: whole play is much better left to right than it
Speaker 1: does right to left. Right to left. The ball goes
Speaker 1: across the green in the narrow side of it, and
Speaker 1: the green sort of works this way left to right
Speaker 1: a little bit away from you, and so a left
Speaker 1: to right shot coming up the greens works in better.
Speaker 1: And it seems to work with a wind better. But
Speaker 1: I think I may have hit it in there another
Speaker 1: time during my career, but it's I didn't hit it
Speaker 1: in there very much. After that first time, you learned
Speaker 1: what you did wrong, and then you go out and
Speaker 1: do in practice rounds and try to replicate what you
Speaker 1: were doing and just sort of sit there and say, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I can do this and you
Speaker 1: learn how to play it, but it's a it's probably
Speaker 1: still I consider it probably the scariest parts rein golf.
Speaker 1: But you know you have all the fully I mean,
Speaker 1: you have all the growth there though. Jack, that's what
Speaker 1: like it. It makes it seem like it's an optical
Speaker 1: illusion of it. Hey, that's beautiful. And then you realize, no,
Speaker 1: you got to you gotta put it on a small green.
Speaker 1: You don't want to go along with the bunker. You
Speaker 1: go short. It goes into the creek. The wind as
Speaker 1: you're looking on thirteen, the wind above thirteen tea. You
Speaker 1: just came off eleven with the flag and you look
Speaker 1: at that and I'm going, oh my god. You could
Speaker 1: overprocess the information there. Well, everybody over processes it, and
Speaker 1: you just have it. You gotta be a little bit lucky,
Speaker 1: and you gotta sort of watch the wind. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure which wind you watch, but you gotta
Speaker 1: watch so that you don't get caught in the gusts.
Speaker 1: How many presidents have you played with him? Not bat many?
Speaker 1: I was, uh, I supposed to play with Eisenhower and
Speaker 1: he got sick one day and he ended up going
Speaker 1: around in an exhibition with Arnold and May and Uh.
Speaker 1: Then I played, Uh, Jerry Ford, I played. I played
Speaker 1: a lot of rounds of golf with Jerry Ford. We played.
Speaker 1: We played at Double Beach together quite often, in the
Speaker 1: in the in the in the Crosby and Uh I played.
Speaker 1: I played quite a few rounds with Clinton, just played
Speaker 1: a few holes with Uh. Uh h h W. Bush.
Speaker 1: Not played with George. We've been scheduled to play several
Speaker 1: times and never have made it. And Uh, of course
Speaker 1: I played. I played quite a bit of golf with Trump.
Speaker 1: Now at that of that group, can you can you
Speaker 1: rank who's the best president you played with? Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: they're all good presidents. I mean golfers as Uh. I think.
Speaker 1: I think I think Trump's the best player. Okay Trump,
Speaker 1: Trump had the ball quite nicely. He's he's pretty long,
Speaker 1: He's got a nice golf swing. Uh. He doesn't. He
Speaker 1: plays golf much the way I do. Now. He doesn't
Speaker 1: really care about a score. He goes out and hits
Speaker 1: the ball. If he hits it out of play, he says, okay,
Speaker 1: just give me another one, and uh uh you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't hold up, play plays fast. He just he
Speaker 1: wants half fun. Uh much like h W. He was
Speaker 1: not a score either. He just tried to he want
Speaker 1: to play around the golf course. I understand that young
Speaker 1: George is uh a single digit player and is a
Speaker 1: pretty good player now, but uh he's uh we haven't
Speaker 1: been able together. Clinton could have been a good player.
Speaker 1: He has a nice golf swing. Uh. You know, I
Speaker 1: just I don't think he ever he was. He was
Speaker 1: one who just you know, took so many mulligans that
Speaker 1: he never which is all right, you know, that was
Speaker 1: the way he played. He had fun and so uh
Speaker 1: And but Jerry Jerry Ford was a very serious golfer.
Speaker 1: He uh he was. He was about a thirteen and
Speaker 1: he played with a thirteen eighty four eighty five and
Speaker 1: he uh, he grind, He was a grinder and he
Speaker 1: just he just he just loved he loved playing golfie.
Speaker 1: Of course, he was an athlete and he was a
Speaker 1: good athlete, and he just he just loved to play.
Speaker 1: I'll leave you with this. Of all the years and
Speaker 1: I've talked to you and everything I've read about you,
Speaker 1: I just realized that the mascot of your high school
Speaker 1: up was Upper Arlington, Is that right? The Golden Bears, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. Is that where the nickname came from. Well,
Speaker 1: it sort of came from there. In nineteen sixty one,
Speaker 1: the year before I turned pro, or the fall when
Speaker 1: I turned pro, a fall named Don Lawrence for the
Speaker 1: Melbourne Age in Australia wrote an article about me. Martin
Speaker 1: mccromick was down there and he called me a cuddly
Speaker 1: Golden Bear in the article because I was large and
Speaker 1: blonde at the time. And so first contract I had
Speaker 1: was with a Revere Sports where out of Boston, and
Speaker 1: they were looking for an emblem and we kept going
Speaker 1: through all kinds of things trying to find some kind
Speaker 1: of a crest or an MB one and you know,
Speaker 1: I said, hey, guys, you know I like the Golden Bear.
Speaker 1: I was a Golden Bear in high school. I've been
Speaker 1: a Golden Bear in my life. Why don't we just
Speaker 1: stay a Golden Bear. And that's how it happened. Well,
Speaker 1: I did not know that I forgot all about Upper
Speaker 1: Arlington and the Golden Bears. It's great to hear from you.
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing, and uh hope, I hope you don't
Speaker 1: have to go back to Caddyshack and Stripes anytime. Soon
Speaker 1: and maybe you add something else to your TV repertoire,
Speaker 1: if they put anything decent on or if I could
Speaker 1: figure out how to work net place. Oh no, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm not grand kids for. Oh. I know what
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'm a I'm a electronic idiot. You know,
Speaker 1: I am terrible. But anyway, wear and I've been watching
Speaker 1: and we turn on a TV series and we watch
Speaker 1: about one series. I don't like that, I said, okay,
Speaker 1: so we try another one and I don't like that,
Speaker 1: said okay. So you know, we keep peddling. But anyway,
Speaker 1: we're having we're getting through it and what we're doing
Speaker 1: all right, Thank you, Jack, great to talk to you.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it as always. Okay, Dan, that is Jack Nicholas. Yeah, Bo,
Speaker 1: if it was possible to like Jack Nicholas even more.
Speaker 1: What have you been doing the past few weeks watching
Speaker 1: Caddy Shack and stripes. It sounds like every friend of mine.
Speaker 1: We'll take a break here, we'll talk to doctor Myron
Speaker 1: Roll and uh, he'll he's up at mass in General,
Speaker 1: so he's uh in the in the throes of all
Speaker 1: of this with the coronavirus, and uh, it'd be I've
Speaker 1: seen him interviewed on some of these news programs and
Speaker 1: former football player, and it's one of those where when
Speaker 1: somebody goes to med school, they sort of disappear for
Speaker 1: a decade, where you go, hey, where you been med school? Oh,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you like eight or nine years. I'm thinking, wow.
Speaker 1: And he decided to pass on football and go into
Speaker 1: med school. So we'll talk to doctor Myron Roll and
Speaker 1: Jim Nam's coming up top to the honor. Take a
Speaker 1: break twenty one after the hour. This is The Dan
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Speaker 1: about some NFL teams are a little bit riled up,
Speaker 1: upset that Jerry Jones and his son get to conduct
Speaker 1: the draft together in the same room. They think that's
Speaker 1: an unfair advantage. When's the last time a team thought
Speaker 1: that Jerry Jones with his son in a room together
Speaker 1: for any draft was an unfair advantage. Come on, you
Speaker 1: guys are soft. Former Florida State, former NFL player drafted
Speaker 1: I think by the Titans back in twenty ten out
Speaker 1: of Florida State. He's now doctor Myron Roll, who joined
Speaker 1: us on the program. Doctor. How are you. I'm doing well.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Dan, I appreciate it if you
Speaker 1: can give us an idea of what the last month
Speaker 1: has been like which and compare that to any other
Speaker 1: month that you would have on the job. Wow, it's
Speaker 1: been intense. Just I'm just coming off a twenty four
Speaker 1: hour shift. But our hospital has been transformed. When you
Speaker 1: walk in, it's almost like a handpoint security line. We
Speaker 1: have to have a mask. Everyone, regardless of your position
Speaker 1: or title within the much mashing Own hospital community. You
Speaker 1: have to wear this mask our hallway and they're bare
Speaker 1: now because the visitor policy has been restricted. You can't
Speaker 1: have any family members, any visitors are Outpatient clinics are
Speaker 1: now done all virtually. We'll call our patients with results
Speaker 1: of cat scans and let them know that we have
Speaker 1: to reschedule their cases because operating rooms are canceling elective
Speaker 1: cases where we're doing emergence or urgent cases. Our neurosurgical
Speaker 1: floor has transformed into a COVID nineteen floor. That there's
Speaker 1: this service critic as a hospital's in a hospital a
Speaker 1: sort of offload some of the heavy influence and patients
Speaker 1: that have come up the street with COVID nineteen or
Speaker 1: symptoms analogous to it. So, you know, as a neurosurgery resident,
Speaker 1: I went into this passional mind to operate on the
Speaker 1: brain and spine and the and the perfonal nerve. But
Speaker 1: now myself and my colleagues, we've been redeployed and redistributing
Speaker 1: our our skill set, I guess, or just our our
Speaker 1: time and our energy to helping fight this COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: efforts or this COVID nighteen issue that's happening. And that's
Speaker 1: it's a hospital wide approach and it's vastly different than
Speaker 1: what we've seen in Boston. It's going to get worse
Speaker 1: probably in the next week or two, so we're preparing
Speaker 1: for even even more challenging days ahead. But you go
Speaker 1: to med school for neurosurgery, but now you're doing something
Speaker 1: with a virus that you know, you like. It feels
Speaker 1: like you're going back to medical school, but you're doing
Speaker 1: it in real time with real patients with lives on
Speaker 1: the line. That's right, That's right, And you know, I
Speaker 1: will say that it is a changeup. Certainly, there are
Speaker 1: some cossover trades between COVID nineteen and barrow surgeries, for instance,
Speaker 1: surgeries that happen near the sinus, through the narrows, transfernoidals,
Speaker 1: anything that can sort of aerosolize particles that can potentially
Speaker 1: infect us. As narrow surgeons, we use a lot of
Speaker 1: electrocoterie and high speed drills in our cases and that
Speaker 1: has been shown to maybe aerosolize some of the body
Speaker 1: fluids to potentially infect us. But you're right, at baseline,
Speaker 1: we have to learn new or not new, let sort
Speaker 1: of relearn approaches to effect change and the upper respiratory illness.
Speaker 1: But I think to our advantage, we're teaching hospital and
Speaker 1: we have wonderful medical doctors and sextually SEW doctors who
Speaker 1: are really really stepping out front and helping us sort
Speaker 1: of manage that learning curve a little bit, so we
Speaker 1: can kind of come in and not have to do
Speaker 1: anything outside truly outside of our scope of practice, like
Speaker 1: intubating somebody emergently. But you know, be able to handle
Speaker 1: some of the most fundamental aspects of their care. And
Speaker 1: it's really just about manpower right now, the personnel we
Speaker 1: need it at the hospital level, and we have to
Speaker 1: be able to adapt and adjust. We had Tony Bisselli
Speaker 1: on the former NFL Lineman Hall of Fame finalists last
Speaker 1: couple of years and he contracted the coronavirus and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm alone in a hospital room and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: is this where I'm going to die? Going to your job,
Speaker 1: you're seeing people. We're seeing this in New York where
Speaker 1: you know, the medical staff has to almost choose who
Speaker 1: they can try to save and who they can't. I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you process that? Doc? That's
Speaker 1: very difficult, and it's it's even more difficult when, as
Speaker 1: mister Prelli said, when you're alone, like you don't have
Speaker 1: your family around because they're just not able to be
Speaker 1: there based on the hospital's policy. These end of life
Speaker 1: and goals of care discussions are happening over the phone
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, this is unbelievable. But I will
Speaker 1: say that you know, these patients have, as you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of to have could morbidities and pre existing
Speaker 1: conditions that already put them in harm's way and make
Speaker 1: them very high risk in the subset of the demographic.
Speaker 1: And when this COVID nineteen hits, it sort of sits
Speaker 1: for a little bit and then maybe after day five
Speaker 1: or six or seven to quickly decompensate. So it's challenging,
Speaker 1: and I hope that these stories that we're hearing, that
Speaker 1: the anecdotal stories that you're hearing allows people who are
Speaker 1: maybe not connected to the healthcare industry or not connected
Speaker 1: through the hospital world, you can see that this is serious.
Speaker 1: This is real. Stay away from those beaches that you're
Speaker 1: going through as convenience, Stay away from those highly popped
Speaker 1: umb you know, frequent good places that are just full
Speaker 1: of people, and and really through your part as a
Speaker 1: as a normal citizen, sort of effect change in your lane,
Speaker 1: because that's important for all of us to do. He's
Speaker 1: doctor Myron Roll, neurosurgery resident at Harvard the Massachusetts General
Speaker 1: Hospital of Rhodes, scholar, former NFL safety. Was it sixth
Speaker 1: round by the Titans? Does that sound right? Best? Correct?
Speaker 1: Sixth round? Yes? Their Okay? How close were you to
Speaker 1: staying with football? Very close? I played football in my
Speaker 1: whole life since I was six years old. My father
Speaker 1: is some Bahamas. My parents were from the Bombas and
Speaker 1: they started the American Football League back home, and when
Speaker 1: we came to America, football was a huge part of
Speaker 1: my life, and my cousin Samari and Andrew role played
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I went to Florida Street because Bobby
Speaker 1: Bowden had a pedigree of putting guys in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Diana Sanders and we love Butler and you know, all
Speaker 1: these great great athletes, great corners and great safeties. So
Speaker 1: when the decision I had to be made whether I
Speaker 1: was going to stay, continue to play or move on
Speaker 1: to this next career, I prayed about it, talked to
Speaker 1: my family and friends, and realized that practically I made
Speaker 1: it that money to pay for medical school. Also, my
Speaker 1: hands were still healthy enough to actually operate because I
Speaker 1: always wanted to be a neurosurgeon. And then I didn't
Speaker 1: have any concussions or traumatic bringing trees that would prevent
Speaker 1: me from thinking, you know, clearly as I went forward
Speaker 1: in my next career. So I made the tough choice,
Speaker 1: went ahead and went to medicine. And it's been a
Speaker 1: blessing because now I'm able to advocate now for football
Speaker 1: as well in a concussion spectrum, but then also be
Speaker 1: able to take care of people who are very sick
Speaker 1: like moments like this. How concerned are you that you're
Speaker 1: going to contract the coronavirus. I'm very concerned, and we
Speaker 1: all are, certainly. I try to protect myself every time
Speaker 1: I go into a patient's room. You know, There's the
Speaker 1: thing is coronaviruses doesn't just hit one patient, and that's
Speaker 1: like the only pathology or malady that they have, right
Speaker 1: so they call us as a neurosurgeon. This patient may
Speaker 1: have a brain bleed or a brain tumor, or a
Speaker 1: tumor in their spine. There's some sort of neurosurgical disease burdens.
Speaker 1: But they also have COVID nineteen. So I won't continue
Speaker 1: these rooms, and I try to protect myself as best
Speaker 1: as I can. I go in, get my physical exam quickly,
Speaker 1: get my history quickly, be efficient, get all my task
Speaker 1: done so I don't have to re enter the room
Speaker 1: five or six or seven times to potentially expect myself.
Speaker 1: I got married four months ago, and I sent my
Speaker 1: wife down with her with her sister, you know, so
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make sure I'm not bringing anything home
Speaker 1: to her. So yeah, I'm just trying to make adjustment
Speaker 1: to my own life so I'm able to protect myself
Speaker 1: from protect the people around me. Being a neurosurgery, I'm
Speaker 1: curious about, you know, the future of new helmets in
Speaker 1: the NFL concussions. I get if the has the NFL
Speaker 1: ask you about this or you know, looking for you
Speaker 1: to advise in maybe how we make a new helmet
Speaker 1: that can protect the brain even more. They have not
Speaker 1: asked me. I would certainly love for them to do self,
Speaker 1: because I love the sport so much. For sure, I
Speaker 1: wanted to stay around. It's helped me so much, It's
Speaker 1: help my family. I'm using the trades that football taught
Speaker 1: me as a physician, and anytime my mentor the young
Speaker 1: kids from Florida State who I talk to, I tell
Speaker 1: them that if you have interests in science or medicine
Speaker 1: or just help the people, really think about being a
Speaker 1: physician or a physician assistant, best practitioner. There's something in
Speaker 1: healthcare because it's the crossover is just you know, really seamless.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I would certainly love to help our take
Speaker 1: in new technology and new ways, innovative ways, because to
Speaker 1: find out how to make the game safer at all levels,
Speaker 1: particularly in young football young young leaves pop Warner the
Speaker 1: youth Football League, because I think that's where it really starts.
Speaker 1: You know, you sort of had this build up of
Speaker 1: chronic hits to the head that you know, maybe just
Speaker 1: gets illuminated once you get to you know, the high
Speaker 1: velocity impacts of high level cogs football or maybe professional football.
Speaker 1: But I think it starts young. So if you look back,
Speaker 1: kind of go um upstream and trying to figure things
Speaker 1: out that way, we might be able to rectify the
Speaker 1: situation and keep the game safe and preserve it. You're
Speaker 1: kind of a show off here, four oh grade point average.
Speaker 1: In high school, I think he had the lead role
Speaker 1: in Fiddler on the Roof, the musical you go to Oxford,
Speaker 1: you're a Rhodes skull or you're kind of a ballhog. Doc.
Speaker 1: Come on, well, you know it's complession for sure, and
Speaker 1: that was I did not sing well as a white
Speaker 1: Russian Jewish broad but it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: We found something you don't do well. Thank you, go
Speaker 1: get some sleep and we appreciate what you're doing. Thank you. Doc.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks to appreciate you. It's doctor Meyer and
Speaker 1: roll I forgot about his two other brothers playing in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Come from the Bahamas. Oh man, I feel
Speaker 1: like a loser after that. Yeah, I'm okay, but gosh,
Speaker 1: I think we feel neurosurgery resident and Harvard and I
Speaker 1: remember when he made the decision. I'm going, wow, he's
Speaker 1: going to leave the NFL. And I think it was
Speaker 1: with the Titans and the Steelers, so maybe he wasn't
Speaker 1: going to have a long career, but he decided he
Speaker 1: was going into med school and Rhodes Scholar form, NFL
Speaker 1: Safety and now a Massachusetts General Hospital and you're taught,
Speaker 1: you're studying, this is your specialty. And then the coronavirus hits,
Speaker 1: and now you're kind of learning what the coronavirus is.
Speaker 1: What do you do? What do you not do? How
Speaker 1: can you help this is? I mean it's an emergency
Speaker 1: room situation there, but he's a neurosurgeon. Pretty remarkable, Pretty remarkable.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a break. Some NFL teams apparently
Speaker 1: are upset with the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones and
Speaker 1: his son get to be in the same room on
Speaker 1: the night of the draft. What an unfair advantage. That
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Speaker 1: searching f s R. Other teams are saying it's not
Speaker 1: fair that Jerry and his son Stephen Jones get to
Speaker 1: be together in the same home on draft day. Man,
Speaker 1: it feels like teams are building in excuses if they
Speaker 1: screw up their draft pick. You you have your boards already.
Speaker 1: Talk to a source yesterday and he said, if you
Speaker 1: have your bleep together, you've got your boards together. You're
Speaker 1: ready to draft right now. Now something may change where
Speaker 1: a guy is going to fall into your lap, or
Speaker 1: you might make a trade, but you do preemptive conversations
Speaker 1: with people. Hey, if this guy is here when we
Speaker 1: take him, are you interested in him? Or if you're
Speaker 1: interested in him, let us know. Think there's there's conversations
Speaker 1: that are going on right now now. They don't want
Speaker 1: to let the it guy into somebody's home because you know,
Speaker 1: we're self quarantining. I get that there's there's small issues
Speaker 1: that it's guaranteed to go wrong for somebody at some
Speaker 1: point in the NFL draft. You know, will they allow
Speaker 1: you to have a time out if you have a
Speaker 1: technical issue there. They're already going to do a mock
Speaker 1: draft from what I'm told, just so teams get the
Speaker 1: feel of what it's going be like. You're not going
Speaker 1: to be in the same room. But never would I
Speaker 1: ever think that somebody would say Jerry Jones and his
Speaker 1: son in the same room in their home is an
Speaker 1: unfair advantage. Schefter goes on to say, it'll basically be
Speaker 1: every person for him or herself in their homes drafting virtually.
Speaker 1: And that's the change up there. They think that club
Speaker 1: personnel need to be in different homes while the draft
Speaker 1: is going on. Come on, yeah, point do you think
Speaker 1: this could work the other way? And teams will take
Speaker 1: advantage of the timing and the communication. Hypothetically, Let's say
Speaker 1: I'm the Vikings and I call the Bears with ninety
Speaker 1: seconds before on the clock. Here's a trade. Got to
Speaker 1: do it now, and you don't have time to vet it.
Speaker 1: In the room that I think teams could go the
Speaker 1: other way with this and use it to their advantage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't think of that. I don't know how nefarious
Speaker 1: teams are going to be when it comes to that
Speaker 1: with although ask John Lynch with the Niners and the Bears.
Speaker 1: So I get the feeling though somebody is going there'll
Speaker 1: be a trade early, I don't know how many trades.
Speaker 1: I think the wide receivers and the offensive linemen are
Speaker 1: going to be the stars of the first round. Here
Speaker 1: you have the quarterbacks there, we know where Burrow is going.
Speaker 1: The question is how badly does somebody want to man?
Speaker 1: Is Justin Herbert going to be a top six pick
Speaker 1: and then as Jordan Love going to be in the
Speaker 1: mix as well. The wide receivers. You got the two
Speaker 1: from Alabama Ceedee Lamb from Oklahoma, you know, so you'll
Speaker 1: have some interesting skill position players and then a lot
Speaker 1: of offensive linemen. But I would never think that is Stephen,
Speaker 1: you know, with a Bill Belichick's son, they're going to
Speaker 1: be in the same room together. Is that an unfair advantage?
Speaker 1: YEA McLevin. Wait, why are Stephen and Jerry in the
Speaker 1: same room like they don't live together, and the last
Speaker 1: person I'm visiting right now is my parents. They should
Speaker 1: be quarantine just like everybody else. No, I'm being dead serious,
Speaker 1: Like why would you bring Stephen as kids? I assume,
Speaker 1: Like why is he allout in Jerry's how to? Makes
Speaker 1: zero sense? I mean it's a fair point. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a fair point. But you know, even when my kids
Speaker 1: came back to from school and then two that are working,
Speaker 1: you know, I get nervous about that. But I don't
Speaker 1: know what Jerry precautions Jerry's taking to make sure that
Speaker 1: when if they're in the same room, but that it's
Speaker 1: not an unfair advantage. Like how is that an unfair advantage?
Speaker 1: Yell't there something about Stephen convincing him to take that
Speaker 1: guard instead of johnny Man's house Zach Martin? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: is that maybe that the NFL is let Jerry pick
Speaker 1: somebody bad? It's maybe Steven's a voice of reason. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna guess he can still be in touch with his son,
Speaker 1: Like like just because they're there, what they get to
Speaker 1: almost almost high five or almost hug or almost dap
Speaker 1: or like what like, what what's the big advantage? Hey,
Speaker 1: he gets to keep Jerry compny what yes, Todd, and
Speaker 1: they afford the technology to communicate directly with each other.
Speaker 1: Should we be concerned about them picking up the bill
Speaker 1: for that the Joneses, well, no, they can, they can
Speaker 1: pay for that. I just think that they if you
Speaker 1: have the opportunity, thank you, Todd. If you have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to be in the same room, then you will.
Speaker 1: If you're allowed to, you will. But I can't sit
Speaker 1: here and go, gosh, the cowboys are gonna kill this
Speaker 1: draft because Jerry and his son are in the same room.
Speaker 1: It's gonna come down to do you take Jerry, Judy
Speaker 1: or CD Lamb. That I mean, I can help him
Speaker 1: out with the first round. I'd take CD Lamb. But
Speaker 1: that's just me. Yes. Point well, like we're not gonna
Speaker 1: hang out with our parents because you know all this
Speaker 1: stuff we're doing now. But like they're employees there. Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones is an employee of his father's here serving as
Speaker 1: an employee, not a son in this role. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he may have other employees to hisself. Remember, I don't
Speaker 1: know if the NFL is gonna tell Jerry Jones you
Speaker 1: can't have people at your house. You can't have a
Speaker 1: house full of ads, unless that's a hard rule for
Speaker 1: all NFL teams. You're going to be on a conference call.
Speaker 1: That's what it'll be. You'll be in a conference call,
Speaker 1: but getting everybody's opinion, knowing who's giving you that opinion.
Speaker 1: How many people are on the conference call talking over
Speaker 1: each other. You know you're gonna have to sort that out.
Speaker 1: That's why they're doing a mock virtual draft where everybody
Speaker 1: gets an idea of what it feels like. It's not hey,
Speaker 1: we can't get the pick in. You'll get the pick
Speaker 1: in that that's simple. You can hold up a big
Speaker 1: card that says we're taking cedee lamb. That's it. The
Speaker 1: confusion is going to be or the possibility of disaster
Speaker 1: is you know it making sure if you got zoom,
Speaker 1: nobody is going to somehow hack into it. Like there's
Speaker 1: things that can happen. But I don't think Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: in the same room with his son is going to
Speaker 1: be an unfair advantage. Are there other teams that are
Speaker 1: you know, have siblings involved in this? I mean Bengals
Speaker 1: family ownership, I I I don't know if that's an
Speaker 1: unfair advantage. Matt and Houston joins us on the program, Matt,
Speaker 1: what do you have for me today? So I sell
Speaker 1: an audio conferencing service from Microsoft to all the enterprise
Speaker 1: accounts in the Houston market and it's grown substantially. The
Speaker 1: biggest challenge is they're gonna face is if you got
Speaker 1: ten people from the same team on an audio conferencing
Speaker 1: who's gonna be able to speak up? Because one person
Speaker 1: is talking and they're gonna say, like, hey, wait, he
Speaker 1: needs to say something. This person needs to say something.
Speaker 1: It's hard for everybody to be communicated at the same time.
Speaker 1: So if you're up against the clock, you know, goog
Speaker 1: gets a bottom final say. But it's really difficult for
Speaker 1: them to all be talking about the same time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we're we do that on this show. That's why
Speaker 1: whenever I call on the dentists, they raise their hand.
Speaker 1: I call on them, but thank you, Matt. I have
Speaker 1: final say if I want to go to them, and
Speaker 1: then how long they talk? But I are they going
Speaker 1: to have a video screen there? Like I have Fritzie
Speaker 1: in front of me, and I have mclovin and Seaton
Speaker 1: and you know they won't be they won't be talking
Speaker 1: all at once because if they did, and they talked
Speaker 1: all at once. It would sound like, guys, are we
Speaker 1: can't get to pick in? Oh no, and the cowboys
Speaker 1: have not gotten their picking. I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: That's that's a draft preview of what could happen for something.
Speaker 1: We were talking all over each other. No, it'll be, Hey,
Speaker 1: give me your thoughts. So you went out and saw
Speaker 1: CD Lamb four times this year, you saw Jerry Judy twice. Uh,
Speaker 1: give me your thoughts. Uh, you know, start with you Todd,
Speaker 1: so that that that's how you do this, and then
Speaker 1: it would be mcloven would give his thoughts, and then
Speaker 1: somebody else would throw in something there. Hey, I got
Speaker 1: somebody on the phone who wants to make a trick.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously hypothetical, but that's what it's going to
Speaker 1: be like, I think. But you'll go around the room.
Speaker 1: If if I can see you, then that certainly helps
Speaker 1: out with the communication part of this. But if everybody's
Speaker 1: on a conference call, being able to try to distribute
Speaker 1: information and do it in real time, to be able
Speaker 1: to do your job, because if you're a scout, you
Speaker 1: want to make sure that you've done your job and
Speaker 1: gotten that information to the right person at the right time.
Speaker 1: I think the trades are going to be the hard part.
Speaker 1: You know. Do you have a separate line because you
Speaker 1: have your staff trying to process what you're going to
Speaker 1: do with your pick, and then you might have somebody saying, hey,
Speaker 1: I got Detroit on the line. Okay, where are they
Speaker 1: calling into? Is everybody going to have a sheet here
Speaker 1: of phone numbers? Here, this is who I call, This
Speaker 1: is the number for that team or that team. Jim
Speaker 1: Nance is going to join us, and you say, Dogwoods
Speaker 1: in Foliage? Can we get Jim to throw in Foliage
Speaker 1: in November at the gust of tournament The Masters is
Speaker 1: what they like to call it on CBS. Jim will
Speaker 1: joinas coming up here next her final hour Dan Patrick Show.