Speaker 1: I want to give a special Housewive shout out to
Speaker 1: Sonya Morgan. I just think she understands the assignment. I
Speaker 1: saw her in the trailer for Crappy Lake. She understands
Speaker 1: the assignment. She understands who she is, she understands what
Speaker 1: they want, and a certain group relates to her, and
Speaker 1: I just like her, like I like her essence. She's nuts,
Speaker 1: she's batshit, but she leans into it and she owns it,
Speaker 1: and I like it and I like her just being like, of.
Speaker 2: Course I'm going on the Ultimate Girls Trip. Of course
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: I want the experience, I want the exposure. I like
Speaker 1: the free trips. I like my side hustles. I like
Speaker 1: making some money and I got bills to pay and
Speaker 1: I'm a single mom and I'm going and I'm making
Speaker 1: the most of it own back pictures and I'm grateful
Speaker 1: and lucky to have this gig. And I'm not overplaying
Speaker 1: my hand and I'm not over negotiating, and like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just like the way she handles herself
Speaker 1: for the long haul in this space.
Speaker 2: That's what I have to say.
Speaker 1: She's getting my Housewives shout out today. Oh this is
Speaker 1: good tea let's do this as good tea. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I guess Andy wrote in his book that I did
Speaker 1: a TikTok about the Real Housewives, Ultimate Girls Trip and
Speaker 1: Legacy and that it was sort of boring, which I
Speaker 1: did think it was boring, and they ended up canceling
Speaker 1: the Legacy cast, so it must be somewhat boring because
Speaker 1: it wasn't exciting enough for them to air it. And
Speaker 1: it was just a bizarre like two for one announcement,
Speaker 1: which is weird, and it's marketing one on one. You
Speaker 1: don't announce two things at the same time unless you're
Speaker 1: like doing an industry announcement, like for the Trades. It's
Speaker 1: just bizarre. It's like not great marketing. We're like, wait,
Speaker 1: are were looking over here? We're looking over there. That
Speaker 1: it was a boring announcement doesn't mean I don't think
Speaker 1: both shows would be interesting. I just thought it was
Speaker 1: a boring announcement. So he talked about the Legacy and
Speaker 1: I said, hit me with your best shot, because there
Speaker 1: is always a number. There's a number for me to
Speaker 1: go for a week on an Ultimate Girls ship, but
Speaker 1: they don't have that number and they won't pay that number,
Speaker 1: and it's sort of just like a dance that I do.
Speaker 1: I don't even think there was I mean, there's always
Speaker 1: a number, but they don't got it. I'm happy for
Speaker 1: Sonya and like Drinda and the girls. But by the way,
Speaker 1: everybody trashes me after the fact. Ramona was on Jeff
Speaker 1: Lewis and he was like, oh, who would you want?
Speaker 1: He mentioned a bunch of people men, and then he
Speaker 1: was Beth and you've met. I have ten texts for Mamona.
Speaker 1: Hey would you do a podcast with us? Hey, if
Speaker 1: you're looking for someone to do your podcast, Hey, can
Speaker 1: I get business events? Avery texting me, Avery inviting me? Like,
Speaker 1: stop texting me asking me for favors out of one
Speaker 1: side of your mouth when on the other side of
Speaker 1: your mouth you're gonna go on Jeff Lewis and say
Speaker 1: meh or he is the housewife you fucking know on
Speaker 1: the goat you've always begged me to go back to
Speaker 1: take a fucking seat. Okay, take a fucking seat. But Andy,
Speaker 1: of course, on his platform, decides to write about me
Speaker 1: and talk about me on his show and ask people
Speaker 1: polarizing questions that are provocative and want them to say
Speaker 1: bad things about me. But I can't say something on
Speaker 1: a TikTok like no, I'm out of the Housewives, Andy.
Speaker 1: You don't get to ask me those paracative questions unless
Speaker 1: I'm hawking a book on your show that will get
Speaker 1: high ratings and also sell books for me. So it's
Speaker 1: a dance. So it's a two way street. I'm not
Speaker 1: part of the Housewives cult anymore. I'm not hooking, spreading
Speaker 1: my legs, taking the money, and I'm not.
Speaker 2: Part of it anymore.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm gonna do a TikTok about it, just
Speaker 1: like you're gonna talk about it on radio Andy in
Speaker 1: your five books on your show click bait, ask a
Speaker 1: provocative question disguised as if you were questioned vetted by
Speaker 1: the producer. Question, So, don't fucking poke a bear in
Speaker 1: the zoo. Don't fucking poke a bear in the zoo?
Speaker 2: WHOA.
Speaker 1: I just watched the oc Tamera comeback.
Speaker 2: So you know.
Speaker 1: The one thing about Tamra I'll say is she prepares
Speaker 1: for a role, like she realizes that this is a
Speaker 1: genre that can get stale and expired. And I just
Speaker 1: remember so many different seasons of Tamra, like becoming a bodybuilder,
Speaker 1: like a serious competitive bodybuilder, becoming very very religious, opening
Speaker 1: a gym like big big sweeping strokes from Tamra. And
Speaker 1: then now she got a motorcycle license, which is it's
Speaker 1: something new.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen that.
Speaker 1: It's it's so dangerous and I'm sure people are going
Speaker 1: to go crazy at her, and she'll probably have a
Speaker 1: bunch of statistics about how it's not just it scares
Speaker 1: the shit out of me as a parent, Like I
Speaker 1: guess if you're young and I don't know, then you
Speaker 1: have parents, it's scary too. I just find a motorcycle
Speaker 1: to be extremely unnecessarily risky. It's not even about you,
Speaker 1: it's about others. You're so exposed. It seems like it's
Speaker 1: for the dramatic effect, which works, but it scares the
Speaker 1: shit out of me, Like I, I'm uncomfortable watching that.
Speaker 1: But I get it from her preparing for a role
Speaker 1: and from a financial perspective doing the Housewives and irrelevance perspective,
Speaker 1: doing the Housewives is a way to stay.
Speaker 2: Fresh and in the zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: And you know, especially as we get older, it's not
Speaker 1: easy for women to find relevance. And it's a great
Speaker 1: you know, it's a great storyline be like I got
Speaker 1: a motorcycle license. It's really smart, but scary to me.
Speaker 1: Tamra the Tea is back, and you know she probably
Speaker 1: she was let go. She probably feels the pressure that
Speaker 1: I can relate to to come back and like she
Speaker 1: has to make things happen. She wants to be like
Speaker 1: a bad ass because she's always been unafraid of drama
Speaker 1: and screaming and a lot of things that get highlighted
Speaker 1: on her former reunions or her screaming at the reunions.
Speaker 2: The truth is so that.
Speaker 1: The the trailer with her looks a little aggressive and
Speaker 1: like she's a little hostile or angry or stressed out.
Speaker 2: I get that. Who knows what she's going through.
Speaker 1: We'll find out, because sometimes you're going through something and
Speaker 1: you know you don't have a lot of patience and
Speaker 1: it's hard to keep it together when you're filming. It's
Speaker 1: something that you'd think, like, why would you act like that.
Speaker 1: It's just the way that it goes on this show,
Speaker 1: Like the game starts moving fast, and if you had
Speaker 1: send me to drink, or there are cameras on or
Speaker 1: the pressure or the pressure of her feeling like she
Speaker 1: has to make a comeback and do something outlandish or
Speaker 1: the pressure of fame now because there are so many
Speaker 1: other housewives and ratings are different than they used to be.
Speaker 1: There's just so many different things. But the one thing,
Speaker 1: having been away from this for so long now that
Speaker 1: jumped off the page is the stress and as we
Speaker 1: get older, do we need this level of stress and
Speaker 1: how it affects our health and our nervous system. I
Speaker 1: know it's gonna sound crazy, but after you get activated,
Speaker 1: and I get activated in my life, like I just
Speaker 1: launched a YouTube series that and I've been doing press
Speaker 1: on Kelly and Mark and the Today Show, and I
Speaker 1: get activated when I'm filming something nothing compared to when
Speaker 1: I was doing The Housewives, because it was just pure
Speaker 1: toxicity and like concentrated toxins and not for something that
Speaker 1: you actually care about in your real life, Like it's
Speaker 1: manufactured drama. And what I mean by that is if
Speaker 1: Tamra in her normal life, I know she has a
Speaker 1: daughter that either didn't speak to her for a while,
Speaker 1: or you know, a divorce from Simon or he was
Speaker 1: they were going through financial things or stuff like that,
Speaker 1: or stuff with their son or son getting married. That's
Speaker 1: real stress in your life. Like that's real stress that
Speaker 1: can cause you major stress. My health issues have caused
Speaker 1: me major stress, stuff going on in my divorce, major
Speaker 1: stress in my life. The stress that the show creates
Speaker 1: from arguments with other people, and then that argument perpetuates
Speaker 1: another scene, and it perpetuates you talking about it off camera.
Speaker 1: Then someone talks a bad about you in the media
Speaker 1: or a quote gets picked up out of context or
Speaker 1: in context.
Speaker 2: You have to live that.
Speaker 1: That's a whole area of stress that you're volunteering for.
Speaker 1: You're on the Housewives, and this whole other bucket of
Speaker 1: stress you have raised your hand and gotten paid for.
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna pay me to endure unnecessary stress. Stress
Speaker 1: It doesn't come with my normal life. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go on a reunion and like fight six people that
Speaker 1: might hate me at that time and spend hours in
Speaker 1: a day, and you recover for days from reunion. Like
Speaker 1: it is so activating, it is so depleting, And the
Speaker 1: one thing that anyone who's been on a reunion can
Speaker 1: relate to is they know it affects their nervous system,
Speaker 1: Like all your dopamine or staff everything is like high.
Speaker 2: It's like it happened to me.
Speaker 1: When I was recovering from a phish incident where I
Speaker 1: was on adrenaline and your adrenaline literally keeps you high
Speaker 1: for days. It shocks your body, it depletes you. I've
Speaker 1: said before, people go on anti anxiety medication on the Housewives,
Speaker 1: people go on anti depressants. So you're electing to do
Speaker 1: something in your career and in your personal life that
Speaker 1: is not something that comes with your normal path of life,
Speaker 1: your normal parental stressors, and or not even your normal
Speaker 1: work stresses, because I've done both. I run a really successful,
Speaker 1: intense business and I've been on the Housewives for years,
Speaker 1: and i know the difference. So you've elected for money
Speaker 1: and relevance to endure a pocket of your life that
Speaker 1: it's terrible for you and not And no matter how
Speaker 1: many wrinkles you get in facelifts you get, and botox
Speaker 1: you get, and massages you get, an anti anxiety medication
Speaker 1: you take, and cocktails you drink to calm down, it's
Speaker 1: just it's taking years off your life. And I remember
Speaker 1: being going through a C section and them saying your
Speaker 1: body won't recover for like six months to a year,
Speaker 1: and you have numbness forever. I still have numbness in
Speaker 1: this one that one area now, but not for months
Speaker 1: and months and months do you really like recover your
Speaker 1: body finally sort of starts to recover. I went through
Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible, horrendous divorce that had like things that
Speaker 1: happened to me that I still like shudder at. Like
Speaker 1: you just you have just reflexes in your body about
Speaker 1: things that happened during that time. Those are things that
Speaker 1: are that came with my life. Not until you leave
Speaker 1: the Housewives. It takes years for you to recover realize
Speaker 1: what normalcy feels like, because you leave and you're like
Speaker 1: thinking about it and wondering what's going on, and you're
Speaker 1: still shell shocked and like you still think it's sort
Speaker 1: of normal and you don't really and you have to
Speaker 1: rinse it from your system. Go ask youolan to go
Speaker 1: ask Denise, Go ask Lisa. We're gonna go ask anyone,
Speaker 1: go ask Vicky. You have to rinse it from your system.
Speaker 1: And maybe some people may think they want that hit
Speaker 1: and then go back and they realize, oh my god.
Speaker 1: And that's why when I've said it would be such
Speaker 1: a number to go back, I can't imagine what that
Speaker 1: number would because it's a number to elect to have
Speaker 1: toxins and things like that in your life. And the
Speaker 1: first season back, like maybe the tamer season back now
Speaker 1: it feels stressful, but it's sort of like you're on
Speaker 1: a high. It takes a couple of seasons to like
Speaker 1: for really like to absorb into your pores and really
Speaker 1: be really damaging, like on a cellular level. So the
Speaker 1: one thing that I really really took away from watching
Speaker 1: the trailer was that's something that Tamar has gone back
Speaker 1: and been paid to and elected to do. The show
Speaker 1: probably had a decline in ratings, and she gives it
Speaker 1: a little jolt, and she probably has fans that Wanner
Speaker 1: back and she did probably an Ultimate Girls trip And
Speaker 1: it's a price. You are making a deal with the devil,
Speaker 1: because I just can't imagine the number for me to
Speaker 1: go back and feel that way. It's disgusting. And I
Speaker 1: talked recently about Andy Cohen saying what he said in
Speaker 1: his book about me talking about the Bravo announcement for
Speaker 1: Real Housewives Legacy and the new cast and how he
Speaker 1: was I said, hit me with your best shot with
Speaker 1: a number, because he said to any interest, and then
Speaker 1: he didn't like that, and he wrote about in his book,
Speaker 1: and you know that whole sphere. If you go and
Speaker 1: watch it up and slive, you're raising your hand to say,
Speaker 1: I know I'm coming on a gotcha show.
Speaker 2: I know I'm going to have to live a couple of.
Speaker 1: Weeks of getting hit in the press and beaten up.
Speaker 1: But it's for the greater good of Andy's ratings, and
Speaker 1: it means I'm going to get ratings too. It means
Speaker 1: whatever I'm doing is gonna get promotion too. And that's
Speaker 1: fine for everyone because we know the deal and the game.
Speaker 1: So don't hate the player, hate the game. Tamra knows.
Speaker 1: She went back onto the battlefield. She's a great housewife.
Speaker 1: She's entertaining, she's humorous, she plays the game. She will
Speaker 1: come in with a big storyline like riding a motorcycle,
Speaker 1: and I'm the money is probably great and the relevance,
Speaker 1: and she has a successful podcast that it will build,
Speaker 1: and I get all of it. This is honestly no shade.
Speaker 1: It's just the fact of the matter is it's toxic
Speaker 1: and it's unhealthy, and so what will we do for
Speaker 1: fame and relevance and money. And there was somebody that
Speaker 1: was recently on my podcast that was saying, sometimes I
Speaker 1: feel guilty that I watch this because you know, these
Speaker 1: are real people and it's women really fighting with each other,
Speaker 1: which is why certain people won't watch. So it's just
Speaker 1: a conversation about I think. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: people watch The Housewives and lose sight of the fact
Speaker 1: that they're real people like that this is really happening,
Speaker 1: and these are real arguments. Yes, under fake circumstances because
Speaker 1: these may not be normal friends, but they're real arguments.
Speaker 1: It's real stress, and it's elective. It's elective toxin, it's
Speaker 1: elective stress. So in no area of our life do
Speaker 1: we go for Nobody who's on The Housewives is not
Speaker 1: very stressed out about it at some point.