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Speaker 1: Give it a chance, give it a chance, Give it

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Speaker 1: a chance. Come morning, give it a chance. Give it

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Speaker 1: a chance, Give it a chance, Give it a chance.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Give it a you want to give it

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Speaker 1: a chance, Give it a chance, Give it a chance.

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Speaker 1: Just hi, everybody, and welcome to give it a chance.

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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 1: We're very excited to be here. My name is Casey

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Speaker 1: Jost joining me as every day of my life is

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Speaker 1: my friend Kevin Devine. Kevin, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, Casey. You were so excited you started laughing.

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Speaker 2: It's like real exciting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm always I'm always a little excited, especially when

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Speaker 1: we get to do this. And if you don't know

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Speaker 1: the show. We like to take songs that either are

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Speaker 1: hated universally or we don't particularly like, and we like

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Speaker 1: to give it a chance. And Kevin, are you feeling

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Speaker 1: Are you feeling optimistic?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I'm always feeling optimistic about the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to discuss universally reviled or personally reviled songs with you.

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Speaker 2: What's not to be optimistic about it? Oh? Do you

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Speaker 2: mean about the prospect of what you're gonna hand me

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Speaker 2: right now?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Oh, all of it? No, No, that too, but yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you do. Yeah, like, just to reiterate, you don't

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Speaker 1: know what song I'm about to tell you.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't know. This is a like blindfold grab

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Speaker 1: Isn't that nice? It's great when you get to do

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Speaker 1: nice when you get to make it to the Milky Way, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was hoping you would bring that up.

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Speaker 2: I liked I want to talk more about cosmology.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's actually that's perfect. That's a that's perfect you know,

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Speaker 1: uh oh, because I do. What I don't want you

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Speaker 2: Oh no, wait a minute, Okay, keep going? Is this

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Speaker 1: You know, you should take a little soul vacation.

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Speaker 2: And all novel. We're going big today, Yeah, like kind

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Speaker 2: of big. That's like the best soy latte that you

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Speaker 2: ever had. Yes, Wow, you got it.

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Speaker 1: That's my that's my I can't even that's my favorite lyrics.

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Speaker 1: So I'm really excited that you get it's the best one.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that you said soul vacation was really

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Speaker 1: There it is. So I I personally don't like the

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Speaker 2: Have so much. I love so much. Yeah I love

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Speaker 2: Was my mom actually too. See, yeah it's really good.

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Speaker 2: You really nailed this. Okay, great and I just reiterate,

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Speaker 2: But also to be clear, we have not. I don't

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Speaker 2: Here's what I would say, all right, so when Train

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Speaker 2: This is why it's a huge song. It was. It

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Speaker 2: is like, is it funny to talk about soy lattes

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Speaker 2: That's a Bobdyel lyric. I don't know exactly what that means,

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Speaker 2: but it's fucking great.

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Speaker 2: That's the moment I was on mute and I love.

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Speaker 2: Earlier in the podcast, he said, like, you know, about

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Speaker 2: Like yes, like basically like two white of a certain

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Speaker 1: Like NRICs like that, like you could just like I

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Speaker 1: just like she does construction whilst her paints her nails.

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Speaker 2: Like it's like she thinks she sounded.

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Speaker 3: But she's more like tells you, well, man, did you

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Speaker 1: Did you make it to the milky way? So I

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Speaker 1: From the piano opening, Yes, it tells you like that.

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Speaker 1: That's like I think I wrote. Then that's the cleanest

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Speaker 2: They my mom, I'm sure has this somewhere. They pressed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, could that's amazing? I didn't even know we could

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great I don't know what the deal

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Speaker 2: probably numerous times. And people were telling me there was

433
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 2: people who would come up to the merch table and

434
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 2: we would talk a little, and someone said, like they'd

435
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 2: seen them several times and what they'd do is like

436
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 2: a song by each of those bands, that's the set.

437
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 2: And I think, like that's clear. They're clear delineation. They

438
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 2: were a cover band. They're not like a tribute yeah

439
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 2: a band, Yeah, they're they're paying tribute to a scene,

440
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 2: to a moment in time, and that serves something. People

441
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 2: love that. It's a source of a side of community,

442
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 2: a side of nostalgia, a side of like give me

443
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 2: a break from banalities of my day to day life

444
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: or whatever, you know. And I think, and for the musicians,

445
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: I think, if you're in a clear if you know

446
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 2: that's what it is, well, then that's you going and

447
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 2: doing that thing. And I've had I have so many

448
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 2: friends who do various things with music from various directions,

449
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 2: and everyone thinks the grass is a little like I'm

450
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: sure that band probably gets paid better to know like

451
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: that than probably like a band like ours does. But

452
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 2: a band like that is like I would love it if,

453
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 2: like anybody cared about the songs I write. What's interesting

454
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 2: about the show you just described is that they were

455
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 2: sort of having both experiences at the same time. And

456
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 2: that's confusing. That's like some kind of weird psychological hell

457
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 2: to be like they love this one song. What other

458
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 2: songs are these people like, Yeah, semi charp life, I know,

459
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 2: let's we'll do that.

460
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 1: There were some others too, like maybe like Googo doll

461
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 1: stuff like Matchbox twenty, but.

462
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: They were doing both. That's a lot.

463
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

464
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

465
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: I would almost say like it's probably better to like

466
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: be like, you know, people might come because they know

467
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: that we have that song, but like why don't we rebrand?

468
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: And then I'd be like, yeah, that's that's smart. That's

469
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: like that's a decision.

470
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: That's a decision, and it's.

471
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: Fun that way. But it might be it might have

472
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: been like an in between. Maybe they are doing that,

473
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: and I think more power to them. It's really a

474
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: mark of how hard the industry is in terms of

475
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: like you could have a massive song, oh and still

476
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: it's tough.

477
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. I mean I almost think for most people

478
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: it's like, uh, I mean this could be this could

479
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: be its own whole thing, so lost in a cul

480
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: de sac on this. I almost feel like to have

481
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 2: that degree of sort of like a visibility and success

482
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: around one thing if you then want to can. I

483
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: think it's why there are certain people who might have

484
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: been looked at as like pretentious or art damaged or

485
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: spiteful or whatever, who like really pushed back against their

486
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: one song, whether it was you know, I don't know,

487
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 2: Radiohea or sneade O'Connor Nirvana. There's there's a lot of them,

488
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 2: but that we're like either like, well, we're just gonna

489
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: stop playing that song, or and see what happens, right right? Yeah,

490
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: I think I think to be caught. It's like I

491
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: see do you ever see the movie The Wrestler? Yes,

492
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: so the scenes where like the older wrestlers who have

493
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: phased out of like major are like at VFW hall's

494
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: with merch tables set up selling signed pictures of themselves.

495
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: I will tell you as like a touring independent musician.

496
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, that's a little clip.

497
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: It hits home.

498
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you know that the the the idea.

499
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 2: But but there's multiple ways to look at that too.

500
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: It's like you know, everybody's it's if you're still in

501
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: pursuit of the thing that animates you and you're like, uh,

502
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: in love with it and making a living, well, then

503
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: you're in love with it and making a living. But

504
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: the other side is like you didn't have drops Jupiter

505
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:48,959
Speaker 2: in your pocket.

506
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: What's interesting is that I think there's a huge difference

507
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: between like we even just meant mentioned that other trained

508
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: song meet Virginia Virginia. Yeah, right, so that's just two

509
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: song is that like we both know and you know,

510
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: like they had a trained cruise like they they've done.

511
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: That big hit later that was maybe even bigger than these,

512
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 2: which was well after you and I would have been

513
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: aware of it. So Hey Soul sister. Oh they're hey

514
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: Soul's sister too, So that that's actually kind of wild

515
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: because they.

516
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: That's huge. So that's they see, they they played the game.

517
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: Then they they stayed relevant for long enough that they

518
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: you know, like that's that's really that's that's really impressive.

519
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: Then I guess that's what I give him a chance.

520
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: That's really just I mean.

521
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think they kind of also, this might

522
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: be treading into territory. We can decide if we want

523
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: to tread into in this pod. But I also think

524
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: what happened with I want to say his names like

525
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 2: Patrick Monaghan, it.

526
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: Is that that is I looked it up. I don't

527
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: interrupt you, but yeah, that's it. That's it.

528
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you didn't interrupt.

529
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: Which is I think another reason why your mom liked

530
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: the band. That's like always good Irish, good Irish.

531
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why my mom is not from

532
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: like AUT's.

533
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: You're like, what matter? I was like, wait what?

534
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: I feel like he also, around the time of Hay

535
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: Soul's sister was a pop adjacent musician, adult contemp or whatever,

536
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: who was like comfortable using some non traditional music media

537
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: to reach his audience, I e. Places like Fox News

538
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.

539
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: Oh interesting.

540
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like he made a little pivot.

541
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: I just did a weird thing with my hand that

542
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 2: you can't see listening, but it was like a weird

543
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 2: upside down felt it in your voice though, Yeah, I

544
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: was trying to scoop with my voice. And it's interesting,

545
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: well smart marketing thing if you are like interested, and

546
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: I you know.

547
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: That's the future now Like now it's like people really

548
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: find those niches and like dial in you can.

549
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And and also you know, I don't know

550
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: anything about Patrick, but if maybe he felt like his

551
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 2: bread was being buttered on both sides by attending something

552
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: like that. But I kind of remember them playing like

553
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: on morning shows. I was like in a hotel somewhere.

554
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: I was like, is that train? I'm like Fox this morning?

555
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there. But they're a band that I think

556
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: would be I we've talked about this song which might

557
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: which might feature down the line. I don't want to

558
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: go into too much though, So you had a bad day, right,

559
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: Like they could write that, they could write that.

560
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: I did, like, that's that soul Sister is like.

561
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: It could have been in just every episode of American Idol.

562
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: And what I will say about I'm sure and I

563
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 2: am sure the people on American Idol, the voice whatever

564
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: sing this song. I'm sure if you combed through there's

565
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: some season where someone does drops Jupiter or Hay soel like,

566
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: you know, I think that that's funny. The immediate response

567
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: I had to this song starting was a kind of

568
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: like there's something about the rhythm of that piano and

569
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: everything where I'm like, you can both identify and maybe

570
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: that's maybe what we're describing here is like the mo

571
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: of this highre series of conversations you and I have.

572
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: It is both utterly perfect as what it is and

573
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: totally reprehensible, Like there's thing about it that just stylistically,

574
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: someone listening to this might be like, what an asshole,

575
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: and they might be right, but and it's all aesthetic

576
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: and it's all subjective and a matter of what you

577
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 2: like and don't that is so manicured in this way.

578
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: It is both perfect and also something that I'm like,

579
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: come on, I know, I know.

580
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: It's like it's both soulful and soulless. I don't know

581
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: exactly on who's looking at it.

582
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: It's either a sole vacation or a sole vocation, you

583
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Either way?

584
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: You know, did you watch the music video as you watch?

585
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: No I listen?

586
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good because I think there's people probably like

587
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: are driving and don't I don't want them to actually

588
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: watch something. But I watched the music video and I

589
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: this happens to me sometimes with athletes. I was like,

590
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: they're an age I'll never be and I'm probably older

591
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: than where they are, but totally like, there's certain people

592
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: like are like, you know, there's certain the way that

593
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: people look at a certain time, Like I'm like, I

594
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: can't tell your age, you seem older, younger, like you've lived.

595
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: And I feel that way with like athletes for sure.

596
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I still feel that way where I'll

597
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: be at like I'm forty four next week and I'll

598
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: be at like a Knicks game. I brought my daughter

599
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: to the Knicks game earlier this year on like a

600
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: day off from school, and I'm like, I could literally

601
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: be half of the people playing. I could be their dad. Yeah,

602
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: But I'm also like, they're always going to be older

603
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: than me. There is something about that, and I think

604
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: that's maybe an effect of media, like how we receive

605
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: people like athletes and celebrities or whatever. Then the the

606
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: other side of that is, certainly there are certain people

607
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: who percolate in the culture now that I'm like that

608
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: person seems like they're like nine, I know, twenty five.

609
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: That's just part of aging.

610
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: It's so true. It is so true. I was talking

611
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: to a band that I you know, like a punk band,

612
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Diet Sig.

613
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: You Yeah, yeah, yeah.

614
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: They lived in Williamsburg for a little bit and I

615
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: talked to them and I were just talking and to me,

616
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: they felt like the same age as me, but they're

617
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: definitely not, but just in talk and then I said

618
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: something like, oh, it's kind of like we're talking about

619
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: and I said it's kind of like TLC's waterfalls and

620
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: they were like, what's that and.

621
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: Ill yeah, yeah, wow.

622
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, there's the age.

623
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: There's well, dude, I will I tour and I play

624
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: now at this point often with bands that are sometimes

625
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen years younger than me fifteen years old,

626
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: and sometimes I play with bands either like I go

627
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: to preschools and I just know. But no, there's and

628
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: then every once in a while I get to open,

629
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: like you know, when I did a tour with Not

630
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: a Surf last year and there that was nice because

631
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'm like the young person. They're

632
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: all like in the fifties and sixties, but like, but

633
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: on this most recent trip with a really good band

634
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: from from Cincinnati called Motherff. They're all in there, they're

635
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: around thirty, and I would play and sometimes if I

636
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: was like in a mood to like be silly, I

637
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: would like, you know, this is my next I'll play

638
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: my next song, and then I would like play the

639
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: beginning of like Stairway to Heaven or like you know,

640
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: like whatever, some some rinth like funny yeah, and I

641
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: will tell you fewer and fewer people know what the

642
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: hell's going on. Like if the younger the audiences get,

643
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: the more I'm like, I have to update those jokes

644
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: I've learned from like Olivia Rodrico something. But then I'm

645
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: also like, you can't do that. That's like pandering. At

646
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: that point, you just get you know, you are who

647
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: you are, play it and that's ultimately what Drops Jupiter

648
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: is about.

649
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Speaker 1: To me, it is Yes, you're right, it is guy

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Speaker 1: ends who he is.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna try to poke around. It's some kind of

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Speaker 2: cosmic significance while also talking shit about like cultural ephemera

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Speaker 2: that will be dated ten minutes after the song comes out.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like he kind of does this throughout

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Speaker 2: their ubra as far as I can see. It's like

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Speaker 2: a feature of how he writes. But this was his

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Speaker 2: real This is the mona Lisa for this is a

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Speaker 2: top point.

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Speaker 1: And I will continue this day saying no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: like he really that's not even like his main thing.

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Speaker 1: That's just an extra little thing he threw in there

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Speaker 1: and all those aa yay, Like that's that. I've heard

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Speaker 1: this technique, this technique that a friend told me that

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Speaker 1: like he's a musician, told me that Prince said in

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Speaker 1: an interview was like, just keep making sounds throughout the

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Speaker 1: recording and people will want to listen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what he's doing. And so he's channeling

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Speaker 1: Prince and I give him. I give him a chance

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Speaker 1: for that. I think it's interesting. Always give Prince a chance. Well,

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Speaker 1: that wraps it up. We did it, We did it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a soy lata now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go do some tabo and have some

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Speaker 2: chicken and check out Mozart. Always remember people check out Mozart.

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Speaker 1: Check it out and our sponsor today, Mozart. I love you, buddy,

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Speaker 1: I'll see you next week.

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Speaker 2: I love you too. Case Wah, were getting

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Speaker 3: H