Speaker 1: Get up, get the boys. It's back and rehoaded all
Speaker 1: in your mind. Yeah, not deep throating. This is for
Speaker 1: the streets, the reel, the railroaded, the distant franchise, the
Speaker 1: truth escapegoating, and they ain't knowing we speak the truth,
Speaker 1: so they ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North
Speaker 1: South East coat is the gv MY for keeping your
Speaker 1: head bobbing. It ain't no stopping and wants to be
Speaker 1: dry to head by And then the system is so
Speaker 1: corrupt they throw the rock out of their heads and
Speaker 1: then blame it on us. Don't get it twisted on
Speaker 1: code and me and dancing for no buttoment biscuits. It's
Speaker 1: Willie d y'all scar facing the building. Collectively we are
Speaker 1: the ghettold boys, reloaded with another episode of information and
Speaker 1: instructions to help you get through this crazy, wild, beautiful world.
Speaker 1: I guess today Mike Epps for something big Willie, Hey King,
Speaker 1: how you doing? They an't good to see you, brother,
Speaker 1: all right, So we got some house cleaning to do
Speaker 1: real quick. Some scar face is in the building, but
Speaker 1: he's having some issues right now. So but he'll he'll, he'll,
Speaker 1: he'll join us momentarily now Man, you're back in your element.
Speaker 1: You're back on stage, back doing what you do. I
Speaker 1: feel it feels pretty good, you know. I guess because
Speaker 1: of the pandemic. The people are so receptive to everything.
Speaker 1: They like. They they're so excited to be out. So
Speaker 1: you know, we we we had a show over the
Speaker 1: Toyota Center last night. Man, and the people were just man,
Speaker 1: I mean, they was laughing at some stuff. I'm like, Damn,
Speaker 1: I know that wasn't funny, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I know when my jokes ain't funny, and they was
Speaker 1: laughing at some of that. Ship. Yeah. Now speaking of funny.
Speaker 1: So you got this uh movie with uh, the Dion
Speaker 1: Taylor movie right next door. It's Cat Williams in that movie.
Speaker 1: Cat Williams is in the moment. Okay, shout out to
Speaker 1: Deon Taylor out there, black filmmaker. Absolutely absolutely, Uh, Dion
Speaker 1: is real good dude, Man, he's doing some great things. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you guys, this is your second time working together.
Speaker 1: This is the yeah we meet Yeah we didn't meet
Speaker 1: the blacks. And then, um, this is actually the second
Speaker 1: installment of that movie. This is like, uh, what what
Speaker 1: would you say? Now? That was the prequel to house
Speaker 1: next door because the original script was called house next door,
Speaker 1: but but Dion, we decided to call it meet the Blacks,
Speaker 1: so that we could do was second we called a
Speaker 1: house next door. So he had all of this plan.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, what she did. I think
Speaker 1: he did a great job. Yeah. Absolutely. Man. Recently, Cat
Speaker 1: Williams was in the news, he was talking about cancel culture, right,
Speaker 1: and he basically said that cancer culture. You know, uh,
Speaker 1: it's non existent. He said that, you know, you're allowed
Speaker 1: to say whatever it is that you want to say,
Speaker 1: and people are allowed to not like whatever it is
Speaker 1: that you have to say, right, and so if if
Speaker 1: you can't, if you can't take that, if you can't
Speaker 1: you know these words that you have. Nobody takes these
Speaker 1: words away from you. You can choose to use them.
Speaker 1: Are not Yeah, yeah what you think I mean? Do
Speaker 1: you think, well, d that they using that as a
Speaker 1: control tactic? No, you know what, I really do believe. Yes,
Speaker 1: some people are absolutely like to be able to tell
Speaker 1: you that, oh this is sensitive if you talk about this, this, this, this,
Speaker 1: and and you're somebody that's that has a voice to
Speaker 1: control your Absolutely absolutely, it's it's a control tactic for
Speaker 1: for many people, but also for some people. You know,
Speaker 1: I think it's a teachable moment because for to Cat
Speaker 1: Williams point, uh, for a long time, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: this whole cancer culture thing has been rooted in minority
Speaker 1: culture really generally. Generally it's uh minorities who uh subjects
Speaker 1: subject to insults and slurs, right and so uh so
Speaker 1: so now and insults your insults and slurs from people
Speaker 1: of privilege and power. Right. So now it's like people
Speaker 1: are saying, you know, it's time out for that. We're
Speaker 1: gonna check you. You know, if you get out, get
Speaker 1: out of pocket, you're gonna get checking and it's gonna
Speaker 1: cost you a check. So so I think it's so
Speaker 1: so I think it has some some validity to it,
Speaker 1: you know because uh, for instance, I used to you
Speaker 1: you know, and I think I can say this word
Speaker 1: right now because of the context in which I'm saying it,
Speaker 1: But I used to say the word retarded like it
Speaker 1: was nothing. You know, we all say that, right, you know,
Speaker 1: that's growing up, right. Well, anytime somebody say do something crazy,
Speaker 1: then you retarded. Right. Well, I was talking to a
Speaker 1: friend of mine one day and she said, you know,
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to use that. You shouldn't use that word.
Speaker 1: You know, well, it's offensive to people. You know, it's
Speaker 1: and you have to think about that. You're like, I
Speaker 1: don't mind being offensive to people who I don't like,
Speaker 1: in people that I got something against. But if somebody
Speaker 1: ain't did nothing to me and they say, you know
Speaker 1: what a group of people they look, Man, we don't
Speaker 1: like that word. That's offensive to us. I know you
Speaker 1: don't understand it, but to us it's offensive. I don't
Speaker 1: have to use it. It's not that important for me
Speaker 1: to use the yeah, because you already know that it
Speaker 1: hurts people exactly, exactly, and and and this is why, uh,
Speaker 1: I think people have to even understand what they have
Speaker 1: to understand about the N word. It doesn't matter that
Speaker 1: you grew up using the word, you know, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter that, uh, you know that people around you have
Speaker 1: used it and you've heard the word all your It's
Speaker 1: offensive to millions and millions of people, And so why
Speaker 1: you want to say the words so damn bad? You
Speaker 1: don't get anything out of the word except I guess
Speaker 1: your your your. I guess you might get a little
Speaker 1: pride out of it. I mean, I think that's yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like it's like it's like segue words
Speaker 1: that that we're using the hood. We don't know we're
Speaker 1: using them. Right. Um. I grew up in the house
Speaker 1: with an uncle that was slow. That was you know,
Speaker 1: um uh what do they call it? Man? He was uh. Well,
Speaker 1: when we were growing up, bro, that was the word
Speaker 1: that we know. That's not autistic, it's worse than that,
Speaker 1: but it's um. And that was the word that we
Speaker 1: used to describe my uncle ever since I was, you know,
Speaker 1: two years old. He's retarded. Yeah, yeah for real. And
Speaker 1: we we didn't we didn't see any harm in it.
Speaker 1: And then, like I said, like Will said, when when
Speaker 1: we when we got older, we realized that it was
Speaker 1: a derogatory term towards someone who was not mentally uh
Speaker 1: advanced ignorance something, you know what I mean, like, man,
Speaker 1: shut your retarded ass up. You know, like it's offensive.
Speaker 1: It's like saying, shut your nigga ass up, now shut
Speaker 1: your chinaman? As why do we prosecuted as a as
Speaker 1: a as a culture. I mean, this is what we
Speaker 1: say to each other and we've been saying it. I
Speaker 1: mean it's all broken English anyway, it's all a bunch
Speaker 1: of rhetoric anyway, words that I mean, everybody was trying
Speaker 1: to figure out where that word came from forever. I
Speaker 1: hadn't heard about nine different uh terminologies are where the word?
Speaker 1: Then word came from the way came from? Is that
Speaker 1: is that in Africa? No, they said they got a
Speaker 1: country and they said they got a spot in Africa.
Speaker 1: I've seen that in the spelling bead. But they couldn't
Speaker 1: it could it could have could uh came from Niger,
Speaker 1: you know, energy, the Black River whever, But I know
Speaker 1: it was the old mean as. Yeah, but where did
Speaker 1: the white boy started calling us nick? Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Where How did he come up with it
Speaker 1: as as something disrespectful? I mean, he came over. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that that are said by uh,
Speaker 1: those different people that don't like different people that, um,
Speaker 1: you know that's the most offensive thing you say about me,
Speaker 1: then go ahead, you know, call me. But man if
Speaker 1: I run through my motherfucking dictionary and ship, I can
Speaker 1: call you. I didn't mean to say m infant, but
Speaker 1: excuse me, but I'm just saying it's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of like playing that doesn't now call me nigger.
Speaker 1: But every race inside of the race have racism against
Speaker 1: each other. I think. I think Jews call each other words.
Speaker 1: Italians probably call each other, yeah, but that's within their culture.
Speaker 1: The problem I think that the thing that's problematic about
Speaker 1: the N word is that it was a word that
Speaker 1: was used to break us down, just to distraught, to
Speaker 1: demean us. And we took the word and we used
Speaker 1: the word and started using as a word of a
Speaker 1: term of in debt for us. Those other words have
Speaker 1: always been words that have been a as to these
Speaker 1: particular cultures or whatever. So you're right, they do use
Speaker 1: other racests. Do you have these terms that they use?
Speaker 1: But they use it amongst themselves and they don't see
Speaker 1: it publicly. Wow, we are public with it. And what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, how was that I was on the golf course.
Speaker 1: Was on the golf course that country club I'm talking
Speaker 1: about an elite country club here in Houston. It's private,
Speaker 1: you know, it's so private to the point where women
Speaker 1: can't come on the course at all. Right, Okay, And
Speaker 1: I was hitting the balls like I was really kicking,
Speaker 1: but on the course, and um, the old white man said, man,
Speaker 1: that nigger can't hit that ball right there in my face.
Speaker 1: And I was already already shake you back. But but
Speaker 1: but I'm not exactly sure. But it would have. I
Speaker 1: would had to make some brol though. It's a moral
Speaker 1: to get your case on the thought. Now with all
Speaker 1: these careens running around, I'm saying, like something like that,
Speaker 1: contact by it has to be some contact. But what what?
Speaker 1: What ended? What ended the end the story for you?
Speaker 1: I told him that I was offending, and he apologized,
Speaker 1: and he said that you know Cardi B. And and
Speaker 1: and my wife loves Cardig and they all used the
Speaker 1: they used an inn word on the songs. And I apologize, Brad,
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was that offensive. If you knew
Speaker 1: it was that offensive, Cardi B had never been born,
Speaker 1: he would have still used that still said hit that
Speaker 1: he's probably been saying it. And then and then and then,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes they get so comfortable that they forget
Speaker 1: they around us, and especially if they get the drink
Speaker 1: and they'd say some ship and then call you the
Speaker 1: next morning and upset. Sometimes I just say, and you
Speaker 1: know the best way to heal this up, man is
Speaker 1: writ me a little check mane pulled dot paper up. Man,
Speaker 1: give me a little money, man. I'm trying to start
Speaker 1: something up, man, so I can give back to the man. Man.
Speaker 1: It was speaking of giving back. I know these segues.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Naptown where it all began, and I
Speaker 1: know that you are doing a lot of stuff in
Speaker 1: the community, and you do a lot of giving back.
Speaker 1: I'm always looking up and you're seeing you involved in
Speaker 1: certain charitable events or whatever. Man, how does someone like
Speaker 1: Mike Epps who grew up in Gary and Dana where
Speaker 1: there's few opportunities as apples. I'm from Naptown. I'm from Naptown, Okay.
Speaker 1: But everybody always get it all you know, we it's
Speaker 1: in less Indiana. You're from Indiana, Indiana. I know that.
Speaker 1: I said that. I said because every time I hear
Speaker 1: Naptown Okay, right, No, that's all good. That's all I got.
Speaker 1: I got love. I think people get it, but people
Speaker 1: get confused sometimes. So it's it's it's people. Yeah, people
Speaker 1: ask me all the time. I mean because because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, when if you're from a
Speaker 1: state like Indiana, if you're in California and you running,
Speaker 1: I run into Freddie Gibbs, he's from g I. It's
Speaker 1: like looking at it's like we didn't forgot that we
Speaker 1: a hundred miles from each other, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean up the road because we were both from Indiana.
Speaker 1: Like they don't even matter. You know, that's where the
Speaker 1: claimed arrived from, right there, They from Gary and Indianapo's Indiana? Indiana?
Speaker 1: Is that right? Is it? Is it a spooky uh
Speaker 1: vibe up there? Like to stay there for like permanently
Speaker 1: because I've been there, you know, nice, nice place to visit.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't want to live that type type of thing. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, um over the years, it's gotten better
Speaker 1: because and I always credited hip hop because hip hop
Speaker 1: made uh that younger generation of clansmen huh they became Yeah,
Speaker 1: because all of the guys that were clansmen, believe it
Speaker 1: or not, their granddaughters are white and they got babies
Speaker 1: by black people. I'm talking. Yeah, it's crazy. They didn't
Speaker 1: had articles and all kinds of stuff up there where.
Speaker 1: This guy disowned his daughter because she wouldn't have had
Speaker 1: his granddaughter had a kid by a black kid. And
Speaker 1: her Yeah, her dad, her granddaddy was a grand pool
Speaker 1: by you know, what I mean. But but I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's just like anywhere else man. You know, you
Speaker 1: you got a section of black people that live amongst
Speaker 1: each other, and everything else is is ruled by that,
Speaker 1: you know, and they keep reminding you, Mike Pence, all
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, I wouldn't say that he was
Speaker 1: a clansman, but in that town, you can tell that
Speaker 1: there's certain the the white people in that town they
Speaker 1: move like that, They move like you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know a clansman personally, but you know what it is. No,
Speaker 1: you know, some clansmen personally told you who they are.
Speaker 1: That's right now. They know they might not know him
Speaker 1: at all. They just programmed that, just like sometimes white
Speaker 1: people look at you like their programmed too, to look
Speaker 1: at you, like what are you doing around here? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? They just programmed, just like all
Speaker 1: of them are the cops, ye say. I always say
Speaker 1: that white people, all white people are deputized, deputized to
Speaker 1: be police officers. The absolutely I'm calling the coups, Mike.
Speaker 1: I still want to get back to like the psychology
Speaker 1: of you getting out of Gary, Indiana. I mean in Indianapolis, Indianapolis, Indiana,
Speaker 1: it is a very very tough, tall task. Right, How
Speaker 1: real did you think your chances were? You know, you
Speaker 1: wanted to be a comedian at what age? I mean,
Speaker 1: I was telling jokes before I became a comedian. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that I was doing it though. I was
Speaker 1: just living my regular life, you know, wherever I was at,
Speaker 1: you know, killing them boys in the hood. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, I'm one.
Speaker 1: That meant I grew up a skinny like fair skinny
Speaker 1: kid and the ghetto. That ain't easy, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Because because you gotta fight your way through everything.
Speaker 1: So comedy became a way from me to I navigated
Speaker 1: through the hood. I ended up navigating through jail. Wherever
Speaker 1: I was at, I had a personality that you know
Speaker 1: that lit up the room and I could survive through it,
Speaker 1: you know. So it really was my survival that became
Speaker 1: an art for me, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: But how real did you think your chances were to
Speaker 1: actually get out of that? But you've seen so many
Speaker 1: people that did the exact same thing, that came exactly
Speaker 1: from where you came from. But you found a way
Speaker 1: to get out out get what inspired you? Like, really
Speaker 1: to get out and make it. What made you say, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it? I got it? I was, I was.
Speaker 1: I had an imagination. And I tell kids all the
Speaker 1: time and don't have an imagination. You can't dream. You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't. You gotta be able to see some ship,
Speaker 1: pre pre pre everything before everybody. It's gotta be in you.
Speaker 1: And I had an imagination of me being something, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I couldn't figure out what it was.
Speaker 1: So when I found out it was comedy, I was like, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm only something because I grew up watching kingpins and
Speaker 1: drug dealers, and I'm like, damn, man, I didn't try
Speaker 1: to sell dope and anything. I cannot become a kingpin
Speaker 1: for nothing in the world. Like I'm serious. I was
Speaker 1: the worst drug dealing in the world. I had everybody
Speaker 1: in that, all the old g niggas. The only reason
Speaker 1: why they didn't kill me is because they liked me.
Speaker 1: They ushould tell me all time, boy, you better be
Speaker 1: glad I like you. You know what I mean? Because Nick,
Speaker 1: you even ran off of my money. I had a
Speaker 1: gambling habit and I was selling dope. I was hustling backwards.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I didn't shot dice with
Speaker 1: these niggas and lost my money, the front man's money.
Speaker 1: So the time I left in Annapolis man our old
Speaker 1: couple of niggas, money and all kind of ship, I said,
Speaker 1: I gotta go make it at something, you know. I
Speaker 1: got on a bus in nineteen uh ninety one with
Speaker 1: my sister. Gave me eighty five dollars book of food stamps.
Speaker 1: Remember them food steps it was in the book had
Speaker 1: blue fives. She gave me some food steps and I
Speaker 1: had eighty five dollars and uh, and I bought me
Speaker 1: a I bought me a bus ticket and my my
Speaker 1: first baby mom and her lived in Atlanta. And I
Speaker 1: called her. I said, Janet, you know every time you
Speaker 1: come to Indianapolis, you say, you know, if you ever
Speaker 1: want to move to Atlanta, come to Atlanta. Man. I
Speaker 1: called her. I said, I want, I'm ready to come
Speaker 1: to Atlanta. She said, Mike, some things didn't change. I
Speaker 1: said what she said, I'm married now, and you know
Speaker 1: I don't live by myself. Do you know that? I
Speaker 1: told her okay, and I still got on the bus.
Speaker 1: I got on the Greyhound bus and by the time
Speaker 1: I got to Chattanooga, Tennessee. At the ground of niggas
Speaker 1: that took my clock. I swear I'll never forget. I
Speaker 1: had cross colored jeans and major damage. You remember cross
Speaker 1: cut on the man. I had all this gear in
Speaker 1: my bag by the time I got to chat A
Speaker 1: look of the nicktas that took my look at that,
Speaker 1: I said, I said the words yeah, but I forgot
Speaker 1: ween on the corner. But I said, they took my bag. Man.
Speaker 1: When I got and I had, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I had a thirty eight that was broke. It was
Speaker 1: fucked up, and it's it's skilled and motherucker shot like it.
Speaker 1: Click click pole click click Clickin was skipping on him
Speaker 1: on the mother By the time I got and I
Speaker 1: had to walk. By the time I got to Georgia,
Speaker 1: I Carter, it was three o'clock in the morning. I said, Janet,
Speaker 1: I'm in Atlanta and she said, what you bullshit? I said,
Speaker 1: I'm in Atlanta. She said, where you at? I said,
Speaker 1: I'm at the Greyhound bus that she said, Mike, I talked,
Speaker 1: told you I'm married. I can't handle you know, I said, Janey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay in the greyhound bus station. But when
Speaker 1: when you get up in the morning, if you come
Speaker 1: and pick me up and take me to the Salvation Army,
Speaker 1: I stay in the Salvation Army. I get a cot.
Speaker 1: That's how serious I was about being somebody and changing
Speaker 1: my life. She said, I'll be there in the morning.
Speaker 1: She can't pick me up. Were riding. I had never
Speaker 1: been out of my hometown other than going to the
Speaker 1: joint on like the outside Westville stuff like that. When
Speaker 1: I seen Atlanta and seen all them buildings, I said, damn,
Speaker 1: you know, it was crazy to see that. It was
Speaker 1: like a city to me because I had never seen
Speaker 1: a city like the other in Chicago. That's a lie.
Speaker 1: I've went to being in Chicago a million times, but
Speaker 1: I was in Atlanta. Atlanta was I thought Atlanta was
Speaker 1: Hollywood back in the day when it freak nicking them
Speaker 1: and stuff like. People was moving to Atlanta like they
Speaker 1: was going down there to blow up. I moved to
Speaker 1: Atlanta instead of going to New York l a man,
Speaker 1: I've seen this city, man, And we were right. And
Speaker 1: she said, you know what, I can't take you down there.
Speaker 1: She said, you can come and stay with me, but
Speaker 1: you gotta stay in the basement. My husband go to work.
Speaker 1: He worked second shift three to eleven. You can't come
Speaker 1: out of the basement at the three. I'm down in
Speaker 1: that basement like and Frank, you remember, And Frank was
Speaker 1: with the Germans and shipping it. Man, I'm down in
Speaker 1: the basement. Man. So he didn't know you was living
Speaker 1: in the house now he was. Yeah, he was an
Speaker 1: old g He was an old player. He worked for
Speaker 1: the city, worked for the city of Landing, but he
Speaker 1: was a hustler too. He was older, dude, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Nope, didn't know that I was staying
Speaker 1: in that house. I stayed and stayed down there for
Speaker 1: about twenty days. Man. One day he didn't go to work.
Speaker 1: I come up about I swear to God, I come
Speaker 1: up out the out the basement with a bowl of
Speaker 1: cereal and my drawers on this old niggers standing there
Speaker 1: washing this is turned around and look his neigh was Sittney.
Speaker 1: He turned around to me and said, think what you're
Speaker 1: doing about? And man, I sit down and talk to him.
Speaker 1: Told him who would because he called Janet. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm Janet's nephew, and blah blah blah. He called her right,
Speaker 1: he called because she worked for the city too. He
Speaker 1: called her at the job. He said, who was his nigga?
Speaker 1: And she told him and I sit down and told him.
Speaker 1: I said, man, I had to leave my hometown. I said,
Speaker 1: I told him, Mr Sydney, the streets wasn't for me.
Speaker 1: Man I called three cases back to back. I called,
Speaker 1: I called a dope case and called a case why
Speaker 1: I was, Yeah, I on pro not on probation was
Speaker 1: on bard. I called another case. I said, man, I
Speaker 1: had to get the funk up out of that city
Speaker 1: because they was spinning. Give me the bitch with crambine.
Speaker 1: You know they got that three They called it a
Speaker 1: bitch wood up there, three strikes. I said, I gotta
Speaker 1: get the fun up out of here. And uh, I said,
Speaker 1: down with him and talk to him. I lived with
Speaker 1: him for a whole year. He got me a job
Speaker 1: at the city and I start when that That's when
Speaker 1: I when I first got to Atlanta, I went to
Speaker 1: the Uptown Comedy Club. It was in Atlanta on Pea
Speaker 1: Street Street. How long did it take you to go
Speaker 1: there before? When you got to Atlanta? The next week
Speaker 1: and when I walked in the club, Willie d Nigger,
Speaker 1: I seen Chris Tucker, Bruce Bruce. It was a dude
Speaker 1: named Chris I seen and them dudes have been on
Speaker 1: death comedy jam. So when I seen him, I'm like
Speaker 1: that I made it. I thought I was in Hollywood
Speaker 1: because I seen Chris Tuck. This is the young Chris
Speaker 1: did nothing but death jam. Don't none of them remember
Speaker 1: me walking up to him. I walked up to every
Speaker 1: last one of them, Nix, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: None of them remember that ship. But that's how I
Speaker 1: made it. Man. And and I met T. K. Kirkland.
Speaker 1: He said yeah, he said, yeah, homie, you ain't gonna
Speaker 1: make it in Hollywood unless you moved to Hollywood. And
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, so I'm in the wrong. Motherfucker's spoty.
Speaker 1: He's like yeah, he said, oh, you can go to
Speaker 1: New York and uh, you know, really really learned how
Speaker 1: to do stand up with you know, because you're still
Speaker 1: kind of green. Nick. I got on a bus the
Speaker 1: next week with fifteen hundred dollars I have been working
Speaker 1: at the city and got my text checked back. I
Speaker 1: had three comics that wanted to go with me, and
Speaker 1: I was the only one that got on. I got
Speaker 1: on the bus again, went to New York. I end
Speaker 1: up living in New York for ten years. God damn.
Speaker 1: So how when you got to New York with which
Speaker 1: don't go far anywhere, but especially in New York, how
Speaker 1: did you make that happen? Man? I had T K.
Speaker 1: Kirkland had a manager name Dave Kleiman, and and by
Speaker 1: the way, shots at the T K. Kirkin who was
Speaker 1: responsible for a whole lot of people getting on and
Speaker 1: giving people guy it. He got banned back in the
Speaker 1: day they said he stole Eddie Murphy's watched and ship
Speaker 1: you heard they said he stole Eddie Murphy's watching. I
Speaker 1: think he said he stole it. Yeah, yeah, But anyway,
Speaker 1: they banned him on some bullshit. But for for the
Speaker 1: most part, he was a solid dude and a nice guy.
Speaker 1: Put put on a lot of young guys. And uh.
Speaker 1: He had a manager named Dave Kleinman that was a
Speaker 1: Jewish guy that managed Sandric Bullock and any Michael Hall
Speaker 1: and all of them. He lived in New York. So, um,
Speaker 1: that's who I was gonna contact when I got there.
Speaker 1: And another for instance, where I went and just moved
Speaker 1: somewhere and somebody told me that they ain't tell me
Speaker 1: to come and nothing but see in my mind, listen
Speaker 1: to this, Willie and Scarf, this is some crazy ship.
Speaker 1: When I caught that last case, I called a case,
Speaker 1: I called a case. While I was dealing with the case,
Speaker 1: I end up doing two years in the county jail,
Speaker 1: and they gave me time to serve on it. I
Speaker 1: had an A dealing in a C possession. They dropped
Speaker 1: the dealing because the dude who set me up was
Speaker 1: a dope thing. They couldn't find him to get him
Speaker 1: back in court to testify against me. So I end
Speaker 1: up doing time serve on the class C. Did the
Speaker 1: two years and got out. And that's when I left
Speaker 1: the town. When I left the town and I got
Speaker 1: away in my head because when I was sitting in
Speaker 1: the county jail, I said, if they let me out
Speaker 1: on bond, I'm going on the run. I'd already had
Speaker 1: it in my mind. And I knew niggas that was federal,
Speaker 1: federal future, this before and all that. Niggas told me
Speaker 1: stories they was running. So I said, nigger, I'm running, nigga.
Speaker 1: So when I got out and everything worked out, I said,
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm gonna play like I'm on the
Speaker 1: run nigga, And that's how I lived my life. So
Speaker 1: when I got to you know what I mean, When
Speaker 1: I got to Port Authority, I had that fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: dollars man I and I'm in New York and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm boy. I walked up and I'm looking at Port,
Speaker 1: the skyscrapers, people everywhere, bus it's moving. As soon as
Speaker 1: I walked the Time Square, I ran into a slick
Speaker 1: nigger that was playing that three card molly. Yeah he
Speaker 1: didn't have three carne. Gave him some money. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: sitting eating Corney Halls and ship ran into this slick nigga,
Speaker 1: this nigga, and man, that nigga beat me out about
Speaker 1: the little nigga ran. He I'll never forget he ran
Speaker 1: and I couldn't catch you. Man, that nigga ran. But
Speaker 1: it was New York City. Yeah, I couldn't catch him,
Speaker 1: and I was running through people and everything. Little bit
Speaker 1: him up for Puerto Rican motherfucker, and it was a
Speaker 1: crowd of people. He let me win one time, and
Speaker 1: I one and another girl that he was with walked
Speaker 1: up and one I said, got me. But anyway, I
Speaker 1: end up living that you're down to a stack. What
Speaker 1: you do with this stack? How do you get some residents?
Speaker 1: What happened they had on on the West Side Highway
Speaker 1: in New York back in the nineties late eighties. They had,
Speaker 1: uh a bunch of role hotels, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and then the hotel's West Side Highway back in the day,
Speaker 1: it was pimping over there. Man. It was prostitutes and uh,
Speaker 1: transvestile all kind of shipped on that street. It was.
Speaker 1: It was it was the meat pack that's crazy, you
Speaker 1: said that, That's what it was. It was. It was
Speaker 1: in that area down that warehouse area where Morvy is
Speaker 1: and all that. And they had hotels where you can
Speaker 1: pay for Man, they had a hotel where you can
Speaker 1: pay for the hour and the down because you know,
Speaker 1: they had prostitutes. So I found a hotel where I
Speaker 1: paid like thirty five dollars a day and you know,
Speaker 1: you shared a whole bath room with everybody in the hotel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was some old gangster ships. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: somethings you see needles and all that. I said, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm That's how I knew I was on the mission. Man.
Speaker 1: And my first baby, Mama, I just had my daughter
Speaker 1: I told her, Man, I'm going to New York to
Speaker 1: be funny. She said, NICKI you ain't that funny. You
Speaker 1: just had a daughter nigger, and you know, and I
Speaker 1: still tell my older daughter to this day. I said, baby,
Speaker 1: I hate that I didn't grow up with you, But
Speaker 1: if I had not a left, I wouldn't know you now.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know you now, and I wouldn't have made it.
Speaker 1: And she don't understand. I can't even trade that ship
Speaker 1: right now. Man, I don't. I can't make her. I
Speaker 1: can't explain it to her, you know. But Man, I
Speaker 1: ended up living in every borough up there. When I
Speaker 1: got to New York, Man, I went to Russell Simmons office.
Speaker 1: The next thought that everybody thought I was a maniact.
Speaker 1: They was like, who the hell is this country? Because
Speaker 1: I was country man, you know what I mean. My
Speaker 1: clones wasn't. I wasn't just like New York. But when
Speaker 1: I got up there, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: they that's all he was coming. They were saying that
Speaker 1: country boy and country because I was doing comedy stuff.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know the whole time I was up there,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what I'm no, I'm in
Speaker 1: New York. But I know some ship they don't know.
Speaker 1: I just always felt that way, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because they was laughing at me, you know, they was there.
Speaker 1: I said, I know some slick ship, you know, even
Speaker 1: though it's New York. I still I was like, they
Speaker 1: don't know this country ship, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I bought a Cadillac one time and a girl was
Speaker 1: laughing at me. I said, what's you last? Year said
Speaker 1: I didn't know you drove a cab. I said. It
Speaker 1: offended me because yeah, because Cadillacs ain't chipped up there.
Speaker 1: They their calves and shipped up there. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't think it would have fixed up in New York.
Speaker 1: They don't put through and bold mannaids on. You don't
Speaker 1: even see manonnaires and mustards in New York, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Man, You know the first time I
Speaker 1: saw you, I saw you at Alice Club, just joking
Speaker 1: in Houston, and you did the Richard Pride piece, that
Speaker 1: piece right there. When I saw you do that, I said,
Speaker 1: he gonna make it. He did, he got something. I
Speaker 1: remember that in Richmond on Richmond, right, he gonna make it.
Speaker 1: He got something. And so this is before Friday, of course,
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. And and I told I
Speaker 1: wanted to meet meet you, yuh, and you know you
Speaker 1: saw each other. Oh man, you let me. I'm a fan, man,
Speaker 1: you know what. I'm a fan too right now. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm I'm a fan too, man, because when
Speaker 1: I saw you on that stage man hand doing doing
Speaker 1: your thing like that, I said, Man, this dude he
Speaker 1: got it. And I and I and I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of people do, Richard, but you did it the best.
Speaker 1: Which brings me to this movie that needs to be
Speaker 1: made that has that It is still like on the sheelf,
Speaker 1: what's going on with the Richard Pryan movie. Well, you
Speaker 1: know what Willie face. You know, I met with Scarf.
Speaker 1: I mean I said I met with Scarce. I met
Speaker 1: with Richard Pryor, uh probably about two about oh three
Speaker 1: something like that, oh four, went up to his house,
Speaker 1: Matt Witty and uh his wife really is the one
Speaker 1: that saw me out, you know, and said that Richard
Speaker 1: asked me to play his movie. But when I got
Speaker 1: there to see Richard, Richard was like there because he
Speaker 1: had multiple scrolls. Yeah he couldn't, he couldn't. He like
Speaker 1: he understood us. Like we're sitting there talking, but all
Speaker 1: the nerves in his that's what MS is. He couldn't
Speaker 1: move nothing, so the motor skills. Yeah, but but you
Speaker 1: could read the person's eyes, you know. Some of them
Speaker 1: days and nig was looking at me like ni, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be bothered. He could go home, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And the lady didn't understand. I'm
Speaker 1: like ship. But some of them days. So you was
Speaker 1: around him several days. Oh man, I went up there
Speaker 1: and seen it for a whole year. I used to
Speaker 1: go sil Richard Pride for a year, but I was
Speaker 1: it was sad because I didn't get the Richard that
Speaker 1: I yeah, you know what I mean. And some days
Speaker 1: he was like I would go up there and try
Speaker 1: to make him laugh when I first met him, and
Speaker 1: he'd just be looking at me, like he'd be looking
Speaker 1: at me like that, ain't it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like you gotta be yourself for me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like because I didn't, I didn't understood. I
Speaker 1: was so mesmerized that it was him, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And then as I got natural, when I
Speaker 1: was regularly felt like I was just going over my
Speaker 1: uncle's house. You know what I mean? It was like, damn, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go up to Uncle Richard's house. But
Speaker 1: we had amazing ship around there. And then one day
Speaker 1: one of the maze walked past some party and I said, damn,
Speaker 1: that sounds like it's been tampered with. And the NIX said,
Speaker 1: and what I said, She can't run it out the road?
Speaker 1: She said, you made him? This was like six months. Man,
Speaker 1: man is the story? Man? It wasn't laughing Manryan was
Speaker 1: funny as hell. Bro, he was funny. Man wasn't I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't even get my ass with the player Richard
Speaker 1: Prior Records. That's how funny it was. What was the
Speaker 1: first album you listened to that? Uh? Is crazy? That
Speaker 1: was the one? Yeah? I think that was Craps? Remember
Speaker 1: the Craps? I remember? Uh, how are you gonna get
Speaker 1: a job with out here? Pressing? License? Was? One of
Speaker 1: my favorite Richard Fride jokes was when he talked about
Speaker 1: him and his wife having a domestic dispute and he
Speaker 1: shot the car. He really did bought that car? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, I bought a car and uh, she was
Speaker 1: talking about leaving. I said, when you weren't leaving in
Speaker 1: this he shot a car that's cars. Yeah. And in
Speaker 1: the dog thing, I think he was Richard the first
Speaker 1: one that that. I guess he probably wasn't the first one.
Speaker 1: Dog and like a dog or whatever, like like like
Speaker 1: bring a dog to life with speech. He was like
Speaker 1: talking about the dog they used to chase him all
Speaker 1: the time, named King. Remember that. It was like like yeah,
Speaker 1: so so and he said, uh yeah, yeah, yeah, he said.
Speaker 1: The dogs said you're Richard. You don't want to be
Speaker 1: chasing you. Yeah, tomorrow your funny ship man was he
Speaker 1: was running, Um, he's chasing the two dogs chasing after
Speaker 1: the other dog. Dog looked at up and say that
Speaker 1: ship and they said that ain't no goddamned dogs dog
Speaker 1: in the world said like that jack some wineo that
Speaker 1: took a squad on the side. Man, rich Man, I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see this ship. I can't wait for
Speaker 1: you to start, you know, cracking that up, man, because
Speaker 1: that you the road, Richard Brown. When they actually they
Speaker 1: do want to they're doing they're doing a nineteen eighties
Speaker 1: series called show Time about the l a Lakers, about
Speaker 1: Magic and Norm and all these dudes, and it's coming
Speaker 1: on HBO. It's gonna be real controversial. And they got
Speaker 1: me playing Richard Pride in it. Yeah, because yeah, because
Speaker 1: the Richard was hanging around magic in them back in
Speaker 1: the day in the eighties when all that, you know,
Speaker 1: when she just called it's called showtime, yeah untitled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be real controversy. Oh yeah, man. But but
Speaker 1: the great Paul Mooney just died. Man. Man, that dude
Speaker 1: was deep, wasn't he made? He was a real one.
Speaker 1: Did you know him personal level? Oh? Yeah, man, he
Speaker 1: was real. Give us a memorable Paul Mooney story that
Speaker 1: nobody knows, but you Uh, when I first met Paul Mooney,
Speaker 1: I was at the Last Factory in l A. And uh,
Speaker 1: I went on stage and he was I knew he
Speaker 1: was in there because they had shotted him out. And
Speaker 1: I went on stage and when I got off stage
Speaker 1: where he was sitting at he wasn't there no more.
Speaker 1: So I thought he left because you know, I was
Speaker 1: up there trying to show off on him the crowd.
Speaker 1: I had the crowd going. I jumped out stage. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: go they're quick, you know, because I wanted to see
Speaker 1: what he thought. But but I didn't seem and uh.
Speaker 1: I walked outside and he was standing over there talking
Speaker 1: to somebody, and I walked past him, and I was
Speaker 1: about to say something to me, but he was talking
Speaker 1: and I didn't say nothing. And as soon as I
Speaker 1: got a couple of steps away from me, he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're down home funny nigger. That's what he said that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're down home funny nigger. I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, I appreciate that, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you went them down home funny niggers. I said, you know,
Speaker 1: because because country man, you know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 1: a country boy man hard you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: My parents from the South. So that's what he said
Speaker 1: to me, man, you know. And I never forgot that.
Speaker 1: And then we ever since then we kicked it and
Speaker 1: kicked and went out. When they told me I was
Speaker 1: playing Richard pryor his wife, she didn't want me talking
Speaker 1: to nobody. Listen, man, when the man died, nobody was
Speaker 1: at the funeral. Nobody. Let me tell you what was
Speaker 1: at the funeral, Monique George Lopez. These are people that
Speaker 1: don't even know him. You would, I'm listening. She didn't
Speaker 1: invite none of his Hollywood friends. So okay, So they
Speaker 1: wasn't there, not because they didn't want to be that
Speaker 1: it's just that, okay, that's like, that's like God forbid
Speaker 1: something happening, something to me and my kids. They ain't
Speaker 1: invited to my ship because my wife won't let him come.
Speaker 1: That's what happened. Man. I met the mother like a
Speaker 1: service and what's her name is? Uh? They didn't even
Speaker 1: know she was there, dying a ross sitting in their
Speaker 1: head with some black shot on with she just stood
Speaker 1: up and started singing in front of the whole of
Speaker 1: the guy just stood through them just so was like
Speaker 1: they because we didn't know who she was that was
Speaker 1: dying a ross. She snuck in there and started singing.
Speaker 1: Security and people that man, when they got upon and
Speaker 1: realized it was dying a ross, they backed up off
Speaker 1: of her. Damn. His wife didn't even know that was her.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you some real ship, man, And this is
Speaker 1: the wife that wanted you to play this. This is
Speaker 1: the wife that wanted you to play the role. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's the wife that wanted me to play the
Speaker 1: ro And then wow, and now I know you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta break, but I wanted. I do want you
Speaker 1: to touch real quick on the Upshaws. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: funny series. I liked it. I liked the banner between
Speaker 1: you and your daughter. Uh, and and and the ex
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. That's the beautiful thing. How did
Speaker 1: that come to be? Well, you know what, as you know,
Speaker 1: we all grew up watching the Norman Lear TV shows,
Speaker 1: Uh Good Time and uh, the Jeffersons and stuff. Man,
Speaker 1: that's all error. That's the television that raised us. And
Speaker 1: I've done sitcoms I've tried. I was on Uncle Buck,
Speaker 1: I was on ABC and all that stuff, and those
Speaker 1: outfits weren't for me. And I said, if I do
Speaker 1: a sitcom, it's gotta be what I'm taylored from what
Speaker 1: I grew up watching. That's my timing. That's our timing,
Speaker 1: right there, Fred Sanford and right, that's that's the comedy.
Speaker 1: You can see it. Yeah, you're very very natural in it.
Speaker 1: I've seen comedians who are very very good comedians get
Speaker 1: their own sitcoms, and you're like, you can tell it forced.
Speaker 1: It looks forced. It does just that that Upshaws. You
Speaker 1: got something that I appreciate that Ladies and gentlemen, Mike EPs, Man,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on show. You definitely gotta come back. Man.
Speaker 1: We can talk y' y'all legends in the game again.
Speaker 1: Like I said, Man, you brothers raised me. I had
Speaker 1: I knew you before you could even begin to think
Speaker 1: you knew me. Man, And thank you for everything y'all
Speaker 1: have done for the community. Y'all raised black men out here,
Speaker 1: and y'all don't get y'all just do. Man. I really
Speaker 1: I hate it man, because we did. Man. We appreciate
Speaker 1: it that y'all deserve more than y'all ever have. Man,
Speaker 1: Love y'all brothers. Man appreciate. This episode was produced by
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