1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Just because you're mad doesn't mean you're right. It's one 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: more thing. I can't remember where we heard that the 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: first time. It was years ago, but it's it's absolutely great, 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, idea to have in your holster. Just because 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: somebody comes on strong and is yelling and indignant, indignant, 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: that's no proof that they're right. 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 2: Right. 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: People tend to back off and say, in fact, there 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: are some social circles that whoever yells the loudest wins 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: no matter what, because they got their righteous anger going. 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: Or gets the most upset. Just because you're offended doesn't 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 3: mean you're right either. 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well they're both right, Michael, And I'm 14 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: offended that you thought differently right, and I'm right and 15 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm but not because i'm mad, but I am mad. 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: But that's no proof of anything. How dare you correct me? 17 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 4: You? 18 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: Anyway? Where were we? Oh? Get into that in a minute, Katie, 19 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: You need to analyze this dream as a woman, I 20 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: had a dream analysis Here we go, Yeah, and it 21 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: was it was so unintentionally funny. What was weird about 22 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: this stream is my wife and I we were bickering bitterly, 23 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: which we really almost never do. We're best friends, and 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: we get along great. We're so lucky, but I mean 25 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: we argue sometimes with nothing. So in the stream we 26 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: get into this bitter argument in the car and I 27 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: opened the car door while it's moving. I say, stopped 28 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: the car. I'm getting out. I'm just getting out. And 29 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: I dropped an F bomb on her. WHOA wow, I said, 30 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: I said, I'm walking back to my car. It's across town. 31 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm gone. I get out of the car, 32 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: slam the door, start walking. She drives off again. This 33 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: is why would I have the stream? We get along great. 34 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: Then I'm walking all over town and you know how 35 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: dreams become surreal and weird in the set exchange and whatever, 36 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: and it was kind of entertaining. But at one point 37 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: I realized during this dream that the shopping center where 38 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: I left my car, I can't remember any of the 39 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: stores that are there, and I really have to call 40 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: my wife to ask her where my car is. 41 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: Okay, there it is. You can't live without her? Uh 42 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 3: is that? 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 4: It? 44 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? Just some weird My brain was trying to run 45 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: me through a scenario. I was so pissed off. I 46 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: didn't want to call her and give her the satisfaction. 47 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: But I was going to walk around town until I 48 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: starved to death unless I said, hey, honey, you know 49 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: that shopping center we met at? What a stores are there? 50 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: Because I was trying to program my Apple maps so 51 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: I could walk there walk to my car because I 52 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: didn't remember where i'd left my car and I had 53 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: asked my wife. 54 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you need her, You're doomed, don't have her. It's 55 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: always interesting in dreams where you you don't know the 56 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: lead up to whatever emotion you're in, like the fight 57 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: you're in, but you don't know what it was, right, yeah, right, 58 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: the the you know, the you know I'm being fired 59 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: or what, but it doesn't include what I did. You know? 60 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: Just that's always interesting. 61 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: Did you did you wake up from that instantly knowing, okay, 62 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: that was a dream, or did you have one of 63 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: those moments like wait a minute, to that actually happened? 64 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: Hold on? 65 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: You know what? 66 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: And I know exactly what you're talking about, because sometimes 67 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: you wake up with the brain chemicals going from that 68 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: set of emotions. Yeah, and you got to remind yourself, oh, 69 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: that's right, I'm not angry at my spouse. I am 70 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: not angry at my spouse. No, I didn't. In this case. 71 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: I woke up thinking, boy, that was weird. 72 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 4: God. 73 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: I remember having one here at work one time, and 74 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: I told her about it. I woke up, I had 75 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: a dream I was in love with somebody at work, 76 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: and like madly in love, you know, full on, full 77 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: bore in love. And I woke up and still had 78 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: all those feelings and it was just like, and I'd 79 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 3: never had any feelings for this person at all, zero 80 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: So I mean, but I was just fully in love 81 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 3: with this person. I told them later, I said, I 82 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 3: had a dream where I was madly in love with you, 83 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: and I'm trying to shake it still. 84 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely thought you were coming on to her. 85 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. But it was so weird 86 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: it stuck. It took days to get rid of. Really weird. 87 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: But so this would be a decent screenplay, like a 88 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: light comedy. I see ice Cube in it. I've optioned 89 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: iced tea ice cube and Vanilla iceed to start anybody. 90 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: So I'm wandering around town trying to figure out where 91 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: my car is, and I keep running into various people 92 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: of various walks of life and getting into weird conversations 93 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: and stuff. But I've got too much pride to call 94 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: my wife. So anyway, that is good, like light comedy. 95 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 3: That is a pretty good idea. And I get into. 96 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: Various hygiens, you know whatever, I end up chained up 97 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: at a basement. I don't know. I'm sounds amusing. 98 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 99 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: Anyway, in one of those jarring transitions that have endeared 100 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: us to dozens. Uh, this is really really interesting, but 101 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: it's a little audio heavy for the radio show, and 102 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: we didn't didn't have time quite to get into it, 103 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: which is unfortunately. But a couple of speeches Bill Clinton 104 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: has given lately about Hamas and Israel and that sort 105 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: of thing, some of which you've probably heard, one of 106 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: which I had never heard before, and this is re 107 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: He's done this fairly recently, certainly in the last the 108 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: one is older than the other, but it's it's in 109 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: the last ten years. Oh, I think the one is 110 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: pretty recent. The second one we're going to play. But 111 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter because it's absolutely material to a 112 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: lot of the screaming going on on college campuses right now, 113 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: which is continued, for what it's worth, in the protests 114 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: and the taking over of lecture halls or whatever. The 115 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 1: blatant anti Semitism. It's ripped from today's culture. The whole 116 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: Israel is settler colonialists, and the nice folks in Hamas 117 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: are innocent, lovely brown people who deserve all of our sympathy. 118 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,559 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. We'll start Michael with twenty four. 119 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 4: Depends on whether you care what happens to the Palestinians 120 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 4: as opposed to the Hamas government and the people with 121 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 4: guided missiles. Yes they were, Yes they were what it 122 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 4: Yes they were, And Hamas is really small. When they 123 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 4: decide to rock at Israel, they insinuate themselves in the hospitals, 124 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 4: in the schools, in the highly populous areas. 125 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: And they are. 126 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 3: Smart, so they try so they wait, wait, wait, so 127 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: they try to put. 128 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 4: The Israelis in a position of either not defending themselves 129 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 4: or killing innocence. They're good at it, They're smart. They've 130 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 4: been doing this a long time. 131 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: Now he gets into the realities of his effort to 132 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: broker a deal between Yasser Arafat and was it monocham 133 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: Vegan and the Pointer. 134 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: Or was it Before we move on from this, NPR 135 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 3: completely disagrees with what he just said. 136 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: There's no disagreeing with it. 137 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: It's not completely disagrees with that. That is not true. 138 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 3: That is a that has been I heard them say 139 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: on that has been debunked. Okay, that's ridiculous. 140 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: Way ideology can blind people. But anyway, so Clinton famously 141 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: had the Camp Day. It accords, is that right that 142 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: brokeered a great deal between the Palestinians and the Israelis 143 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: back in the nineties. And that's what he's talking about here. 144 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: And the only time the author Arafat didn't tell me 145 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: the truth was and he promised me he was going 146 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: to accept the peace deal that we had worked out, 147 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: which would have given the Palestinians of state on ninety 148 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: six percent of the West Bank and four percent of Israel, 149 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: and they got to choose where the four percent of 150 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: Israel was, so they would have the effect of the 151 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: same land of all the West Bank. They would have 152 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: a capital in East Jerusalem, they would have the I 153 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: can hardly talk about this, and they would have equal 154 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: access all day, every day to the security towers that 155 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: Israel maintained all through the West Bank for the Golden House. 156 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: All this was offered, including i will say it again, 157 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: the capital in East Jerusalem and two of the four 158 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: quadrants of the Old City of Jerusalem confirmed by the 159 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister Hoodbarock and his cabinet, and they said no. 160 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: And I think part of it is that Hamas did 161 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: not care about a homeland for the Palacinians. They wanted 162 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: to kill Israelis and make Israel uninhabitable. Well, I got 163 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 2: news form. They were there first, before there was their 164 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: faith existed. They were there in the time of King 165 00:08:54,280 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: David and the southernmost tribes Ajidi in Samaria. 166 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 3: That also not agreed upon by NPR. Yeah, and other 167 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: people on the left. 168 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've gotten to the point that trying to reason 169 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: with the nprs of the world is useless, whether they 170 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: are so ideological they can no longer reason, or if 171 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: they are being deliberately dishonest about a lot of this stuff. 172 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: Right could have had a Palestinian state, which Tom Friedman 173 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: still arguing about. But Yaserfat turned it down when it 174 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: was Clinton and Ahud Barack, and Yaser Erifat turned it 175 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 3: down when it was Bagan and Carter, and but nobody cares. 176 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: At the very very very end of the whole negotiation, 177 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: when it was time to sign the accords, he said no, 178 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: I changed my mind, and they didn't say it out loud. 179 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: But it's about killing Jews. It's about the humiliation of Islam. 180 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: That is the Jews occupying that part of the world. 181 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,599 Speaker 1: They can't have they can't have non Muslims controlling that 182 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: part of the world. That's the story and will be 183 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: the story for a thousand thousand years. 184 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna have a new president elected this week 185 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 3: at the taping of this podcast, and I'm not exactly 186 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: sure which either candidate is going to do in terms 187 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: of support for UH these ideas, but we will see. Well, 188 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: I guess that's it.