WEBVTT - I called the cops on my drummer 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.640 Patti, everybody, I'm want to tell you the story of 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:05.920 me calling the cops on my drummer, my own drummer. 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:09.040 One of the lowest points of my career. It felt like, 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:12.399 definitely one of the most embarrassing parts of my career. 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:16.160 And I'm joined today with my drummer, Caleb Kelly, who 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.360 was the source uh well call it, call it co 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:24.240 source of this predicament. Welcome to the Grangersmith Podcast, Episode 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.600 forty six. So much fun. Caleb's one of my best friends, 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.360 so many good stories with him, and probably more to 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:33.080 come as more of these podcasts roll through with him. 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:36.800 Comment below as as you hear these stories. If you 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.280 want to hear more of Caleb. The best way to 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:40.720 get a hold of me right now, if you want 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.159 to talk to me right now, you go to Cameo. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.400 Get the app on your phone, Cameo orcameo dot com. 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.600 You can find me on there and I could send 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.600 you a video message. I could send you congratulations. I 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.800 could send you a happy Birthday. I can send you 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:59.360 some uplifting messages or some maybe you want me to 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.360 punk you out, whatever you want me to say. Cameo 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.400 is a great way for me to talk to you. 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.360 I can also direct message you. This is actually one 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.080 of the one of the social media platforms, I would say, 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:15.520 the only one that I actually check the direct messages 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.960 on and reply just me. I'll give you my word. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.440 It is just me that replies. No one else has 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.760 access to my account but me, so I'm the only 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:26.520 one that can reply. I'm the only one that's going 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:30.479 to send you a message. So it's a great gift idea, 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.760 maybe a great thing you want to send your girlfriend 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:40.000 or boyfriend or spouse congratulations or happy anniversary, or probably 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:44.800 the most common is happy birthday. But I love cameo. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.600 It's a really cool platform for me to use to 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.160 talk to you or for you to hire me to 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.720 send to someone else. Super super easy. You could do 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.360 as many times as you want. Something I have to 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.880 talk about is this new album coming out next month 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.680 on August the twenty eighth. That is, if you're watching 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:08.680 this podcast real time, that is this Friday. Yes, this Friday, 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.000 you're gonna get two brand new songs from me, songs 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.880 you've never heard before that are leading into the album 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.760 that comes out in September. So you'll get two songs. 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:21.240 You'll get to get a preview of a taste of 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.600 the album, and on that day we're also going to 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:30.079 announce the exact date of release in September, the exact 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:34.400 method of release, which I know I've told you guys before, 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.040 but there's more after September, so you'll hear more about that, 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.200 and you'll also get the title of the album and 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.280 the cover. So a lot to be revealed this coming Friday. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.639 Please pageons into my socials. Will be putting it all 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.200 over my socials on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter and 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:54.919 TikTok and YouTube, so hang out with us there to 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.120 hear these songs. You know, technically, whenever any of an 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.600 artist says my music's coming out for technically, as you know, 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:06.399 that means Thursday night at midnight Eastern United States time, 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:11.840 so that is I'm in Central, so that's typically eleven 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:16.200 pm is when the new music comes out, So eleven 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:21.440 pm Central on Thursday night, new music. So excited. Cannot 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.160 wait for you guys to hear it. Can't wait for 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.000 you even just to see the title. The other thing 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.360 I go go on on is the Earl Dibbles Truck 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:33.000 restoring Earl Dibbles old truck is coming together. So I 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.240 know a lot of these guys, a lot of you guys. 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.480 You see the podcast and you want to comment below. 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.440 When's the truck going to be restored soon? Guys soon. 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.760 I just left the garage. That's why I'm wearing the 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.200 EEE Garage shirt right now if you're watching this on YouTube, 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.400 and these are actually available again that we sold out 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.960 in the store, but we're back available at ee apparel 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.080 dot com. But I just left the garage, the EEE 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.560 Garage and Butcher and Buller in there. We're coming close 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.240 to getting the cab back. So this whole process is 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.080 really going to be coming together in September, and that 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.400 finale of that show is going to also have a 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:16.320 song that is on the new album. Did that make sense? 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:21.440 And it's not the ye Nation song on this podcast. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.159 This is an older version, but the newer version of 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.880 this Yee Nation song that we've been playing at the 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.039 intro to our shows and we've been playing throughout the 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:36.039 Earl Trucker restoration is now a full complete song that's 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.680 on the new album. Excited about that, Excited about the 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:44.240 yee Apparel Fall launch on September eighteenth. So there's a 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.000 lot of stuff to be talking about at the time 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:51.080 that I'm filming this podcast. If you're watching it real time, 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.680 I recorded this last week for you, and I'm so 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.560 excited because tomorrow we're heading back on tour. We're going 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:03.360 to Kansas and Nebraska, and ioming and excited that there 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.880 are still places that want to hear live music that 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.120 can do it in the right way. And I don't 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:10.920 think we're going to be going backwards from here, so 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.680 be looking for us to slowly start touring. I'm sorry 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:16.599 if you're in some of those cities that is just 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.040 not going to happen in I'm sorry about that. But 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.400 things will slowly start opening and we'll be able to 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:26.040 come to your town again. Then I'm out of breath 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.200 because there's so many things to be talking about right now, 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.080 but I really want you to hear these stories with Caleb. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.919 If you're someone that is struggling with any kind of loss, 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:40.800 or are trying to find your identity, or maybe you're 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:44.960 struggling with some form of depression, you're going to want 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:49.880 to hear this story because this is a deep, dark 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:57.000 cave of the of the Granger music career. And I've 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.680 had a few of these caves in my career. This 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:01.880 is one of them. It just so happens. It kind 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.760 of revolved around my drummer. And the only reason I 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:06.680 even put it that way, the reason I even bring 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.800 forth like this is on Caleb is because we're so close, 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.479 and he knows my heart, and he knows he knows 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:19.640 me very very well. We're best friends, so he understands 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.800 that we have taken a journey together at one At 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.719 one point, one brother might be fallen and I know 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.080 the other brother lifts him up, and then we switch. 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.800 And then another brother's falling and the other brother lifts 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.120 him up, and we keep Me and Caleb swap places, 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.560 and we have for the last decade so. And I'm 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.800 sure a lot of you guys know somebody like that 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.159 in your life. Let me tell you the story about 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:46.400 how I called the cops on my own drummer. Welcome 0:06:46.400 --> 0:07:24.800 to the Grangersmith podcast. Geegee did Charge and du Tis 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:30.640 and school long line of five full of husband downed 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:50.280 going back range and co evage. Yeah, yoution, Caleb, you 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:55.640 are You are part of, uh, probably several of the 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.119 worst nights I've ever had on tour. You feel proud 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.200 to have that. That is that's nice to be remembered, 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:08.680 but no, so you are the You were the only 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:12.480 band member, hopefully forever, that I had to call the 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:17.360 cops on. But not just like a disorderly like we 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.240 had to call the cops. I had to call the 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:26.640 cops to really intervene in my business. And I want 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:27.880 to get to that. I want to lead up to 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.720 that moment, and I want to preface all this by 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:36.360 saying that you are today one of my best friends, 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.760 and you always have been for a long time. Like 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.920 we never none of the stuff that's ever happened between 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:48.240 us ended that you might Actually you might have thought 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:52.600 it did a couple of times. Well yeah, yeah, when 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:56.680 you call the cops, I kind of thought, so, yeah, 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.959 I just kept causing problems. But I got you on 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:04.360 this podcast because several reasons. One, me and you have 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.320 great stories together, and I could sit here by myself 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:13.320 and tell these stories, but it helps that you could 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.559 remember things that I've forgotten. But you joined my band 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:25.080 in twenty eleven, March twenty eleven. That was several months 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:30.160 before my first baby was born, and you came in 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:35.040 at a time when we were not a very very 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:41.160 popular band. Earl Dibbles Junior did not exist. In fact, 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:46.199 Earle would come to be born in July of that year. 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.280 That same year, so you came on. It's very interesting 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.160 you came on before Dibbles, which is in a lot 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:57.280 of ways before anyone in the rest of the country 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.760 besides a small select group in the state of Texas, 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.600 knew who we were musically as a band, me as 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:10.040 a musician period. So I think it's worth telling some 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.800 of these stories to some people that didn't know us 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.960 before then because it was a wild time. We were 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:21.400 at a van trailer and not only were we not 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.000 a very popular band, but we were trying very hard 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.079 to be at that time, and we were acting like 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:32.480 we were and so we were traveling far distances. We 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:37.120 did it. Your very first run was a West coast run. 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.760 Very I believe our first stop was Albuquerque. Yeah, our 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.400 first stop was Albuquerque, and then it was like Albuquerque, 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.360 we ended in Amberillo, I think, because right after that 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.440 was winter Duck was on the way back was one 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.120 year Doug. Okay, so we got to tell the story too. 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:03.000 So you came on with us, really you auditioned for me, 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:04.719 and then how long did we take off after that 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.319 we I had like seventy two hours to learn the 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.560 twenty six songs, okay before we left for a four 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:15.240 day run. And it's not like you're playing guitar or bass. 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:19.880 God bless those kind of people. But drummer in my 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.520 band has to play all the drum parts, which is 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:27.480 difficult in itself, and then also run our click track 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.599 on a computer, laptop, computer, which you were not that 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:36.320 familiar with, so you were multitasking the same thing Dusty 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:39.800 does today. It's the same system Dusty plays drums for 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:44.000 me today you were doing in twenty eleven and seventy 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.680 two hours time, and it was different. It was before. 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.240 It was before everybody had click track. So were Mike 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.079 when you guys brought me on. You said, Mike was 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.520 tapping on the mic to give everybody click. Yeah, and 0:11:56.600 --> 0:12:01.000 so it was start stop me, start stop, get everybody 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.920 on the click and then lead them into the song, 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.160 and then lead them into the next one, select you 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:11.360 know whatever on the laptop. So yeah, Actually, one of 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.839 the proudest things I have is trying to push to 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.440 get everybody on click track because that made my job easier. Yeah, 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.680 so that everybody could see the going into The next 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.800 song was a lot easier if everybody had click track, 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.840 because some people don't get along. Before we get too 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:27.719 deep in stories, I feel like I also have to 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.720 say that a lot of people probably know you from 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:36.040 those dates playing drums, and maybe even more people know 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.760 you in EE Nation because you're the warehouse manager of 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.640 EE Apparel and so you're in a lot of random 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.840 Smith videos. You're in a lot of like truck restorate, 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.760 Earl's truck restoration videos. You're actually out there working on 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.440 it today with me close the camera. You might've got 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.679 like a hand of you in there, like a shirt. 0:12:55.280 --> 0:13:01.040 So you've been with me for nine years and different capacities, 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.679 pretty much pretty much NonStop, minus a few months here 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:12.559 and there. But you you're an amazing warehouse manager. We 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.240 could we can get into why you're not the German anymore, 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:22.400 but there it's all great stories worth telling. I think 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.679 I want to start by this. And I asked you 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:26.800 just before we turn this camera on if we should 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.360 go here or not, and you had a great answer 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:34.360 to that. But looking back at twenty eleven version of myself, 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.000 not not a lot of loss in my life, not 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:44.120 a lot of understanding about grief. I was at that point. 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:51.080 I was three years away from my first big battle 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.880 with grief when I lost my dad. And when you 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:59.120 came on, you auditioned for me, and I asked you 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.920 about your tattoo. Hm hmm. I said, ah, you know, 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:06.280 it's like a casual conversation. Hey, what's uh what's that 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:11.640 tattoo mean? He said, I lost my brother. I was like, oh, man, 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:16.440 that's that's tough. I have two brothers myself, and then 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:22.440 on your other arm, you lost another brother and that's 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:29.200 that's rough. And I didn't It's hard to say, and 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:30.840 you know what I'm trying to say, but I didn't 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:37.760 comprehend the loss of two brothers fully. I just comprehended 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.920 it as if anyone else would think, Yeah, man, that's 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:46.200 that's gotta be really bad. And the kicker to the 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:51.520 whole thing was you lost Levi to a battle with 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:57.120 cancer two months before that conversation, yeah, two months before, 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:02.000 two months before the audition, and then six months before 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.920 that lost Noah. So it was lose Noah who as 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.920 we go by numbers, I'm two of five boys, so 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.240 we lost three of five, and then six months later 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:16.960 we lost four of five and then two months later 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.520 that conversation between the two of us. How about that. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:25.160 And during the times that I've had rough times that 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:29.680 I've had, I've often thought of you in that numerical 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:34.080 sense of sixty days after a major loss. This is 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:41.640 when Caleb was auditioning for me, and you did that well, 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.600 partly out of necessity. We got to work. You're a drummer, 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.440 You got to work, and we were about to get 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.040 evicted from the apartment. Actually you literally had to work 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:51.840 because you're going to get evicted. Yeah, So it didn't 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:56.240 matter what the music was like or how you guys were. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.560 I was going to take it for work. Just so 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:01.800 happened that you guys are absolutely amazing and you turned 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.480 into one of my best friends. So that wasn't plus 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.960 so I meet neither me or the rest of the 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:13.720 band and crew really grasps the fact that we were 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.160 taken out a drummer that two months before had lost 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:22.120 his second brother within a year. Yeah, and not that 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.800 maybe I would have done anything differently. I don't know 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:31.920 if I could have. But you were coming on more 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:36.280 or less with baggage, and you're gonna leave your wife 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.280 and two children at home to go on the road 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.520 and expect to get a paycheck and expect to be 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:52.160 quote unquote normal dude on the road and abnormal vocation. Yes, 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:57.000 and in a van where there's no escape, there's more 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.120 escape than a bus. In a van, you're just right 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.720 up on top of the binch is taking turns driving. 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:12.320 And this this recipe led to a bunch of crazy 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.000 stories on the road. It led to eventually me calling 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:20.600 the cops on you. It also led ultimately to an 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:26.960 understanding of grief and loss and coping with it that 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:31.080 I would have to return to and try to take 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:38.880 notes from. And so tell me that that first show 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:45.520 in Albuquerque, are you thinking about the brothers the uh yeah, yeah, 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.000 because I think they would have been I think they 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:55.840 would have been really really happy for me. They always 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.800 wanted to see me do that. They or they saw it, 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.440 they saw me play, but to do it and that 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:02.800 be my job. They would have been super excited. I 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.880 think that that's something anybody who deals with losses, from 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.800 the loss of that point of that person on you're 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.879 you're you're robbed of those shared memories, you know, to 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.159 where you can say this person would be happy or 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.879 call them up and say, hey, you know, look what happened. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.120 Guess what happened? You know, yeah, exactly. So yeah, every 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.280 single time we played, I was I was thinking about 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:31.480 them especially and yeah, so yeah, they were always you 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.360 want to go there, you want to go to flags. Yeah, 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.399 so I think the first time, and I'm sorry, I 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:39.160 didn't really think this story was going to go this way, 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.800 but it kind of really helps. If I don't tell 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:46.200 this backstory, then you're just a crazy dude. But the 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:50.280 first time we all noticed that you were dealing with 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.359 demons was and and a lot of it with you 0:18:55.160 --> 0:19:01.000 came from alcohol. So it's and it's hard for you because, 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:05.040 as I've come to understand over nine years, you're very 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:12.040 you have very too strong lines of descendants Irish and Mexican, 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:18.760 both very proud cultures, both very family oriented, both very 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:27.399 society relationship oriented, and both really involve alcohol as a 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:33.800 part of communion with family and friends. So you sit down, 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:36.720 you have a beer with your buddies, and you feel normal. 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:41.960 So you knew that alcohol and you're not an alcoholic 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.520 by the way, No, no, we just it just amplifies 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.040 certain things that you're dealing with. In my opinion, So 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.440 you knew that you didn't. You weren't an alcoholic. You're 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:56.040 not You're not chemically addicted to the substance. So a 0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:00.960 few beers with your buddies would make you feel normal again. 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:06.520 It'd make you feel like you're on a path of 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:14.320 being in the perfect respect and remembrance of your brothers 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:16.800 and doing what they would want you to be doing. 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.200 If you don't do that and you're like pulling, you're 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:23.280 not gonna touch alcohol, You're gonna avoid all these situations, 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:29.600 then you're living a life of that's absent of normal 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.560 in a lot of ways. Yeah, probably what you're thinking, right, 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.119 And you don't feel normal already because you it's not 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:39.080 normal to lose two siblings in a little over six months, 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.080 so you already feel a little normal abnormal, and then 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:47.440 removing something else from it just it all feels. It 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:49.159 all feels weird. But when you can just sit there 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:50.879 and be like, I'm just gonna have, you know, a 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:54.119 couple of drinks and just relax and be happy and 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.200 enjoy life the way they would want me to, that 0:20:56.480 --> 0:21:00.280 was always the goal. Yeah, you know, it's just to 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:07.880 be normal, to enjoy something. So you I remember Vlugerville 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:12.520 Texas Graham Central Station. I believe this is the first time, right, Yeah, 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:16.280 that was probably the big one. Yeah, for some reason, 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:18.880 I had the hospital on my mind that night. Okay, 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:23.240 so we had a few drinks after the show. Very normal, 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:26.840 very casual. And I'm just thinking for you. I'm speaking 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:31.160 for you. You probably think a beer, two beers, maybe 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:34.520 a mixed drink. We had a great show, friends and 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:40.920 family came. I feel normal, I'll have another. Let's let's 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:45.240 amplify this feeling of normalcy. And I don't know after 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:48.639 that point, it wasn't a lot. You didn't have a lot. 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:53.960 You like, you weren't stumbling. No, no, it it I 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:57.119 mean it's all bubbling there by the surface. Yeah. It 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.000 never really takes a lot for it to kick off. 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.480 So someone comes and tells me, Caleb, you gotta go 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:06.560 get Caleb. He's outside in the trailer and he's having 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:11.840 a meltdown. It's like, okay, new guy, you know what's 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:15.000 this about. Go out there. And you were in the 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:20.000 in our trailer, an empty trailer, punching with your bare 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:27.040 fist a three quarter inch plywood wall. Yeah, and and 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:29.680 and I see I see two things. And this happened 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.200 this is gonna happen in every other story. I see 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:35.320 two things when I see my buddy having a meltdown, too, 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:38.359 I see my drummer breaking his hands on a three 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:44.920 quarter inch plywood wall. Yeah. I don't know what. Uh yeah, 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:48.680 it was just just rage and loss and uh it 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:50.920 always crept up, I'm sure to you guys, it was 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:53.720 like I thought everything was going good. Yeah, I thought 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:55.400 everything was fine. You know, I thought we were having 0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:56.920 a great night. It was always like that. It was 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:58.879 always this story, We're having such a great night, and 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.680 then and then something happened. But you know, from what 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:06.920 comes out of left field to someone is never it's 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:10.639 just right there constantly. So unfortunately, you know, like like 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.080 you said, it was a kind of a constant theme 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:17.920 that it seemed to come out of left field. So 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:19.760 tell me what you told me before we started the 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:24.000 camera about why you even wanted me to bring up 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:29.040 the brothers. Well, first, I love them and I love 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:34.640 talking about them, but I think I think it gives 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:42.520 gives me a chance to talk about why, you know, 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:46.760 why that kind of happened. I believe there are reasons 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:50.040 and their excuses. You know, there can have you can 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:53.120 have reasons that you do something that that doesn't excuse 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.280 why you did it or doesn't give you a pass. 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.320 So I had reasons, but not excuses. Excuse is kind 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:02.240 of give you a pass for what you did. I 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:04.800 had reasons, and the reasons were the loss of the brothers. 0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:08.280 And then you know, like what we were talking about 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:12.280 was that was my first impression to a lot of 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:15.040 different people, and it wasn't my first impression to you guys, 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:18.119 but it was not too far down the line that 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:24.560 you guys saw this crazy individual having the outdown, breaking down, 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:28.080 breaking stuff, you know, breaking knuckles and things like that, 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:32.080 and it that's my legacy to unfortunately a lot of 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:36.680 different people. And I know there's other musicians out there 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:42.119 who were If you're not struggling with the substance, you 0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:46.480 may be struggling with something inside. And the substance is 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:51.320 the catalyst. It's the straw that breaks, you know, the 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:54.399 camel's back, and it's just the fuel to that fire. 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.680 And it's unfortunate that a lot of musicians, I think 0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:01.640 a lot of artistic people have that because you feel 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:03.920 so deeply, you know, you go through high as you 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:08.640 can be the happiest person someone's ever seen. And then 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:12.159 obviously you can be, you know, the saddest person that 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:15.600 someone's seen. And I got to say to that that 0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:19.119 you are. It might not come across on this podcast 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:21.840 because of the subject matter, but you are one of 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:26.560 the top three, if not the funniest guy I know 0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:30.760 in my life. You're witty, you said the funniest jokes. 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:35.399 You're just a hilarious dude, always have been, still are today, 0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:39.000 and you were back then. And so that was like 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:41.640 what you said where we just thought, oh, I thought 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.640 this guy had all his ducks in a row. He's 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:46.960 so funny. He was just laughing two hours ago with 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:50.639 us telling jokes that that. Actually that was part of 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:55.399 what would set me off, as oddly as that sounds, 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:58.680 being funny someone telling me that I'm funny, because Noah 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.520 was the funniest person that I have ever met, that 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.440 a lot of people have ever met, and so making 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.280 people laugh would remind me of him. And then people 0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:11.280 telling me that I'm funny or someone telling me that 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.680 You're the funniest person I've ever known was a compliment 0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:19.320 coming from somebody, Yeah, but to me it redirected. You know, 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.640 it's exactly right. So it it would seem like a compliment. 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:27.000 We had many moments during dark We had dark moments 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.199 where I would be like, Caleb, you got so much 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:31.080 going for you. You got your family at home, You're 0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:33.200 with the funniest guys I've ever met, And then boom, 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:36.080 you'd say, I'm not the funniest guy. You should have 0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:39.520 met my brother, Noah, he was funny. I'm nothing. And 0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:42.800 I'd be like, oh, gosh, bad thing to say the 0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:44.720 same thing with the nicest You can be such a 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:46.720 nice guy. And then you know, I'd be like leive, 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.960 I was the most compassionate person. Yeah, it was what 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:53.000 would be a compliment coming from you, guys. I didn't 0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.040 take it that way obviously, because that wasn't what was 0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.480 on my mind. I mean everything set of Flagstaff was 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:04.920 in the mountains. Yeah, so you're for your Colorado boy, Yes, 0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:08.720 Colorado Springs, Home of the mountain, home in the mountains, 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:13.720 and uh, Colorado you are. You are very They have 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:17.040 a lot of pride for Colorado, man, So shout out 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:21.800 to all the Colorado people listening you. You moved to 0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:25.000 Texas for several reasons. Music was a big part of that, 0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:29.040 and your parents, your folks are still in Colorado and 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:32.840 one brother two bas Dias is back. Amos is back now, Okay, 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.480 so yeah, two of the remaining tour in Clora. So 0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.480 a big part of of what we're doing with this 0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:45.200 podcast telling stories, two buddies telling stories on the road. 0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:47.840 But also I'm gonna tie in a little piece of 0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:51.440 this to anyone that's listening in two parts. One, someone 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:55.680 that's listening that struggling in life with some kind of 0:27:55.880 --> 0:28:01.360 loss or depression or grief, and I'm showing this as 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:04.160 the light at the end of the tunnel, the other 0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:07.800 side of the fence. And I'm also presenting this to 0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:14.080 friends and employers and buddies that have one of these 0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:18.840 kind of people in their lives that to showing them 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.440 that there is another side of the coin, There is 0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:25.720 a way out of this. If you apply the proper 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:29.600 pressure where it needs to be, you could stop the bleeding. 0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:35.200 And you're my example in my world of a guy 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:40.640 that was written off as lost in a lot of ways, 0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:44.360 and now you're one of our most valuable employees at 0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:48.520 EE Apparel and still one of my best friends. And 0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:51.720 I'm grateful that for all that, I'm also grateful that 0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:55.440 we get to you get to relive twenty eleven twenty 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:59.280 twelve with me a time there was a big transition 0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:03.040 before he became a band that people cared about, and 0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:05.120 I like to hang on to those memories and you 0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:07.080 kind of keep be grounded when it comes to that 0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:12.840 kind of stuff. Lots changed, yeah, and a lot has 0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:17.400 changed on the outside. On the inside, we're still it's 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:21.560 still me and Tyler and Parker, you and and you know. 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:23.880 So there's a lot that's the core of it is 0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.880 still the same. Yeah, it's the the nuts and bolts, 0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:30.480 the main ingredients. There's a lot of extra extra stuff 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:33.280 on it. But the I'm always impressed at the hard 0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:35.880 work and the innovation that comes from you smith boys. 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:38.880 It's just no ground. I always say, no grass grows 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:43.360 underneath your feet. It's constantly moving, so which is just amazing. 0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:45.800 That's why people are looking towards you guys, especially during 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:48.160 this time, because it's not just music that you have. 0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.080 You know, you've got all these finger in a lot 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:54.040 of different pies. You know, it's a lot of different 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:57.080 things going, which is impressive. And no grass grows in 0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.160 Texas at all. Right, now, that's true. It's too hot 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:03.880 it's all it's all dead, five degrees outside. I'm gonna 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.040 take a quick break, and then you want to go 0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:09.800 to Flagstaff, Arizona with me? When I called the cops 0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:19.040 on you, yes, all right, be right back. So we 0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:21.320 were rolling to the van. We got a little run. 0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:26.000 We're going to Arizona. We're going to Colorado. It's like 0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:30.280 a Utah stop in there in Mexico. Maybe, or maybe 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:32.400 it started with I don't know. Well, the day after well, 0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:35.320 right after flag Staff, we went to Grand Canyon, Okay, 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:40.440 so we have a little Western run with the band. 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.080 And this was in twenty eleven. I think that, Yeah, 0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:49.160 we go to Flagstaff, Arizona to play the Museum Club, 0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:58.160 small music venue, a really fun place. And the day 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:02.080 starts when we arrived. The day start with me, you 0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.640 and maybe Tyler, Johnny and Tyler because we were training 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.400 for the bootwalk. Johnny and Tyler were training for the 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.040 one hundred mile bootwalk that we were doing without the 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.320 first year of it. Maybe that was the second year, 0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:15.800 because you guys did the first year right before it 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.000 and then and then I was happy to join, Okay, 0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.280 the second year. So we were in this in this 0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:25.680 little routine of getting to a venue, and during our 0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.400 off time, we would put on combat boots and walk 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.680 to try to get our legs acclimated to walking long 0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:36.840 distances and breaking boots and breaking in boots. And we 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.720 start walking in Flagstaff started the venue. We just start 0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:43.080 walking and our only reference was the mountain that was there. 0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:45.240 It was like a big mountain there, Like, let's walk 0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:48.440 to the foot of the mountain, thinking like, maybe there's 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:51.400 a stream there, really cool path we could path, and 0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:53.160 then maybe we can get up into the mountain a 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:55.520 little bit, maybe there's some kind of trail. So we start. 0:31:56.880 --> 0:32:00.640 We didn't know this, but we we go right into 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:07.200 a Navajo reservation. No signs, no signs, We just walked 0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:10.400 straight into it. And what we also didn't know was 0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:14.800 it's not good to walk into a Navajo reservation. Yeah, 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.320 it's not very it's not very wait, I mean, I 0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:21.200 imagine it's probably nicer if you're invited. But we just 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.680 started walking and that's when we saw that older gentleman 0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:28.200 on the backside of that store. Yeah, he was like, no, 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:31.440 we thought he was I don't know what we thought 0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:33.720 he was on or something like that, but it looked 0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:36.360 like he was trying to get our attention at the 0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:39.600 like a grocery store. It's like behind the grocery store, 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:42.360 there was this man and evidently that was the entrance 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.800 to the reservation, like that next street was going to 0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:48.160 start the reservation. We didn't know that. And there was 0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:51.160 this old man. We thought he was homeless and drunk. 0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:54.640 He was yelling at us to tell us to stop, stop, stop, 0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:57.840 and we thought he was like gonna say stop, my 0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.840 cars broke down and I needed some cash, you know whatever. 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:06.680 So we ignored him as we would just a bum 0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:10.160 asking for a dollar. We just just keep just keep 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:14.760 your faith straightforward, just keep walking. So then we enter 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:20.120 the reservation unknowingly, and things started happening around us. Our 0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:25.240 faces were turning towards us, everyone's eye on us. So 0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:30.959 then the two dudes, Yeah, they started following us, and uh, 0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:34.320 we're yelling at us, yes, and we were like all 0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:38.320 right in their language, yeah, obviously where we're not where 0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.520 we're supposed to be. Uh, but you know, it was 0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:44.360 an accident. You know, we wouldn't have done that. But yeah, 0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:47.480 it definitely started to get a little intense, you know, 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:49.160 just kind of yelling and stuff like that. And as 0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:51.360 we're walking. I remember walking back through like that little 0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:54.800 we wouldn't call it like a common area, but it 0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:58.480 was like a there was like a playground there and sidewalks, 0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.080 and they were like really yelling and they're like come in, 0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:03.160 you know, kind of getting closer to they got they 0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.680 got together and started following us again, and yeah, that 0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:09.279 was a they're gonna jump us. And we didn't know that. 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.160 We didn't know where we were. And if we did 0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:14.319 know where we were, I don't think I would have known. 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.040 It was a bad deal for four white dudes to 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:21.920 just go trespassing through a Navajo reservation uninvited, because that 0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:25.040 probably looked like we were looking for trouble, yeah, or 0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:28.719 like we didn't care. Yeah, we didn't. We didn't respect. Yeah, 0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:30.920 told we'll go where we want. Now, we wouldn't have 0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:33.239 gone there. We would have totally respected. We just had 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:36.600 no idea of where, yeah, where we were, so that 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.960 we never made it to the foot of the mountain. Instead, 0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:42.759 as soon as we figured out we were in the wrong, 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:46.680 we made our way out of there. Luckily, there was 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:49.520 not a confrontation. We met our way out and started 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:51.080 heading back to the venue. But we're kind of amped 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:53.040 up about that. Like, we went back to the crew. 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.600 I said, hey, guys, don't don't walk towards the mountain. 0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:59.840 That's the reservation. It's uh, you don't want to go 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:01.880 that way. We had guys yelling at us. It was 0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:05.840 a close call, I mean, was we were scared. Adrenaline pumping. 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.680 We had adrenaline pumping. So that kind of set the 0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:12.600 scene for the night that was going to come for us. 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.320 And we go. We play the show and it was 0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:20.560 a great show. Yeah, I had a blast. We had 0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.920 a really good time, great crowd for a band like 0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:27.359 us that was relatively unknown to be all the way 0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:30.120 in Arizona and play a show with people that were 0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:33.480 really interested in it. It was a great It was 0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:37.360 a great night, and it was a worthy It was 0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:40.160 a worthy night of a celebration of some sort. Yeah. 0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:46.680 So we have a few drinks. And this was long 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:49.080 after Flugerville, Texas, where me and you had had many 0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:51.800 conversations like I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm good. Yeah, I 0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:54.440 can control this, but I need to have I need 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:56.760 to be able to have a drink with my boys 0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:59.719 to feel normal. Cool. Can't argue with that. And we 0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:02.320 were in the mountains. So we were in the mountains, 0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:06.520 which it felt like Colorado. Yeah, so I should I 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:10.160 should have known right then to be like maybe maybe, 0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:15.280 don't you know, because you're everything's close to the surface, 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:19.000 you know, it's it's always closer than you think. The 0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:25.840 uh that side, the dark side, the dark side. So 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:28.520 do you remember what our keyboard player said to you 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:30.480 to set you off that night after a few drinks. 0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:32.799 I love him to death. I don't know if you'll 0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:36.719 say his name. Listen to this podcast, all right, well 0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:41.840 we'll call him Derek Herrera. And the poor guy, it 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.880 wasn't his fault at all. He was just trying to 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.480 get us a load up. It's very you know he does. 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:49.840 He did his job trying to get things on and 0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:53.040 off stage very good. And there was nobody following us, 0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:56.120 so I wasn't in a hurry. No other band playing 0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:58.480 after us. Yeah, so that was it, and we had 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:00.680 time to take our stuff down, So I don't know 0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:02.800 what the hustle was. And I had already had a 0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:05.920 handful of drinks and uh so I'm kind of loading up, 0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:10.000 and uh, the the encounter we had and being in 0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:14.680 the mountains and uh, the time of year, and just 0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.640 the fact that it was all bubbling under the surface. 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:20.040 You know, I kind of kept asking me and kept 0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.759 asking me, and then uh, and then I just I 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:28.080 just remember dropping drum gear, and then I don't really 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:35.560 I do remember, uh, punching a suburban out outside of 0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:39.360 of the venue with this hand and doing quite a 0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:41.719 bit of damage to that hand. But I broke your hand. Yeah, 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:45.600 broke my hand. And we had three shows left to go. Yeah, 0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:47.840 I remember that because I remember calling my dad and 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:49.760 telling him. Then He's like, you're gonna play those shows? 0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:51.840 And I was like, I know, and he goes, no, 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:53.440 you're gonna play those shows. I don't care if you 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:54.960 have to take the drum stick to your hand, You're 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:59.040 going to play those shows. So and I did. But yeah, 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:01.920 that was a I don't know what it was. I 0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:06.480 should have known that it was that, not that I 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:10.560 could tell how far beneath the surface that was, but 0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:13.680 that the fact that I couldn't tell should have been, 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:19.880 you know, a warning. I think when you're walking through grief, 0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:24.520 it's like imagine walking down the middle of the road. 0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:26.840 You have days where you're walking down the middle of 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:29.160 the road and on the left or is a good 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.560 day or a good night, And on the right is 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:35.439 a bad night. That's on a good day you're walking 0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:37.720 down the middle of the road, and then on certain 0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:40.560 days you're walking down the middle of the sidewalk. And 0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:44.239 on that night, I was walking like the down the 0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:47.480 blade of a knife. So that's how it could have 0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:55.320 gone either way. And it very quickly went bad. You 0:38:55.440 --> 0:39:02.839 became hide. It was truly as Lincoln watches The Incredible Hulk. 0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:07.200 It was truly you turned into the green Man, and 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:10.120 you couldn't go back. And the green Man he doesn't 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:14.000 like Caleb. No, no, he wants to destroy everything that 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:17.320 guy has. So I come outside and you were punching 0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:21.960 the back of a suburban, the glass as if it's 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:26.239 a padded couch. You're just slamming it with your hand 0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:29.960 and you're breaking the bones in your hand. Couldn't feel it, 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:38.560 didn't care. So I run out with Tyler. We stop 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:46.200 you from hitting the suburban, and luckily, luckily we didn't 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:51.480 confront you because you were ready to fight anybody or anything. 0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:53.480 You would have fought your own family if they were there. 0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:55.719 You wanted to fight anything. You would have fought God 0:39:56.239 --> 0:40:00.040 or your dad or any or the Angel Gabriel. It 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:03.520 didn't matter. You wanted to fight. So when Tyler came 0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:05.400 out there to break you up, to break it up, 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:09.800 you turned on us like, Okay, let's go. If you 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:13.160 don't want me to punch the suburban, I'll punch your face. Basically, 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:17.520 in a bunch of words and hours of conversation, we 0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:23.600 instead of antagonizing you and getting mad, luckily we recognized 0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:26.040 that you were not Caleb. It was the first of 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:28.440 many times when I realized I'm not talking to my 0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:30.600 buddy Caleb right now. I actually called him. I gave 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:35.719 him a name Kalib, and named literally not. So if 0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:38.320 you're listening to this podcast and you know of this 0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:41.040 kind of situation, maybe it's you, maybe it's a friend, 0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.160 maybe it's a family member, made it's a brother or sister, 0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:47.880 you could recognize that they turn into the Hulk, they 0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:51.800 turn into hide, they turned into Kalib, and they you 0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:56.360 can't reason with that person, and you sure can't confront 0:40:56.400 --> 0:41:00.200 them or fight them, because there is no winning that fight. 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:03.600 It's gonna turn out to the the end result of 0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:06.279 a true fight. If we were to have fought, as 0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:10.960 you've mentioned it several times, hey, I might not kill you. 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:15.000 You might beat me, but in the end you're gonna 0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:17.719 be missing an ear and half of your nose. Your 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:20.560 eye is gonna be gabs up. You're remember, you're gonna 0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:24.640 remember from your deformity that you have from this night. 0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:29.640 That's basically how you put it. And luckily Tyler and 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:34.480 I realized that we diffused the situation and we talked 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:39.520 you into going to bed, Like, stop, we still have 0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:41.840 things to load in the trailer. We're gonna load it. 0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:46.319 The hotel is attached to the same parking lot as 0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:49.279 the venue, So here's the hotel. Key, buddy, you just 0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.279 go in. I'm so sorry you're having a bad night. 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:54.440 Just go in there and sleep it off. Which didn't work, No, 0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:56.800 now it didn't. I was gonna go to a mountain. 0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:04.480 You go back to the hotel and you basically decide that, yes, 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:06.960 you recognize there's a problem. You recognize you're not yourself, 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:09.839 and the only way to reconcile this problem is at 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:12.080 the top of the mountain. Yes, so you're going to 0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:14.080 go to the top of the mountain. We remind you 0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:17.200 that there's a Navajo reservation in between you and the mountain, 0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:20.280 and then you quickly acknowledge I'll take on the whole 0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:25.520 Navajo tribe, yes, which is not a good idea, and 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:29.400 I wasn't in the right frame of mind at all. 0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:31.160 I was. Yeah, my goal was to go to the 0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:33.080 top of the mountain. I remember saying to you, to 0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:35.880 the top. Yes. I sure hope that no one listening 0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:39.360 actually thinks that we're talking bad about the Navajo tribe. 0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:41.920 It's not that at all, because you guys are just 0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:47.239 a if you're listening, you're just a really unfortunate side 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:49.520 effect to this whole story. But it had nothing to 0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:52.400 do specifically. It could have been it could have been 0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:58.239 any group of people that didn't want to be imposed upon, 0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:04.239 could have been Saint Mary's convent that was right next door. Yeah, 0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:07.320 so the circus just came in town. Unfortunately it was 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:09.680 right next door in your mind, because I know you 0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:11.640 very well, So in your mind, you're thinking, I'm gonna 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:14.719 reconcile like Moses on the top of this mountain, and 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.160 God's gonna speak to me in a burning bush. But 0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:20.160 in order to get to that burning bush on top 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:23.600 of this mountain, I'm gonna have to go through the enemy. 0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:28.400 And knowing what happened earlier that day. It's got to 0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:31.080 be ten times worse in the middle of the night. 0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:35.359 And I will welcome that adversary. And if I die 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:39.960 in a fight against the entire Navajo tribe, then so 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:43.640 be it. That's probably better than the current state of 0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:46.359 my life. That's about as much sense as it made 0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:49.480 in my mind. Yeah. Yeah, And you know, like you said, 0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:52.799 it could have been anybody wasn't. It was just any adversity, 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:58.560 any fight, any pain, any bad situation, any fight that 0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:00.960 was in front of me was more than welcome at 0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:05.040 that point. And you were not adamant about going alone. 0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:08.640 You you were welcoming us there. The open invitation was 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:10.160 there to, hey, you want to go with me, We're 0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:11.680 going on the top of the mountain. Yeah, it would 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:13.640 actually be better if you fought the Navajo tribe with 0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:17.799 me instead of just being And so nobody said yes, 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:22.120 no one, No one agreed to that one taker I 0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:24.800 didn't want to go. It was like probably two o'clock 0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:27.239 in the morning by this time. Yeah, right, yeah, it 0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:30.520 was yeah, because we had done, we had played, and 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:34.960 then everything was either getting loaded up or loaded up. 0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:39.120 Thanks to whoever loaded my drum kit. I think it 0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:43.360 was Frank. So there's an X factor to this story. 0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:48.960 Thus far you are and where back then an avid 0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:59.400 to a supporter, constant, constantly carrying, and we knew that 0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:03.960 you had a on you. You always had I guess 0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:06.440 that was your sig. You had your sicklock, you had 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:10.279 your glock on you, and we knew that you were 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:14.200 going to go to the mountain, to the top and 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:17.800 go through the reservation, and you always had a glock 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:22.920 on you. This is not a good combination with you alcohol, 0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:26.600 your hide, your kalibe, you have your pistol in your 0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:30.239 in your pocket, and you're going to go through a 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:36.080 hostile group of people. This is bad, a bad recipe, bad. 0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:39.440 And so when I realized I couldn't stop you from 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:43.160 going to the mountain, my next my next line of 0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:46.400 thinking was, Okay, I can't stop Caleb, but what I 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:49.120 can do is asked to take his gun from him, 0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:52.759 so then if he goes, at least he's not going 0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:57.000 to kill anybody or get killed. Yeah, yeah, or just yeah, 0:45:57.160 --> 0:46:01.400 that's my thinking. Three am, Now yeah I did's It 0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:08.839 was a long time, probably probably ours of awkwardness, but yeah, 0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:12.360 that was my plan was to kind of go to 0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:16.520 the top of this mountain and just go there. So 0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:19.319 I was going to stay the night. So I realized 0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:21.799 because you played the show, you didn't play a show 0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:23.839 with gun on you, because we played at a bar, 0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:26.560 So you had it in our trailer in the center 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:29.640 section of our trailer that had a separate lock and key. 0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:33.600 So as I'm putting this together in my head, I realize, 0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:36.520 I'll take the key from a trailer and I'll go 0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:39.960 hide it. So that way I'll say, Okay, buddy, you're 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:41.920 free to go. I can't stop you from going to 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:43.840 the mountain. I'm not going to go with you. I 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:45.800 hope you're back by seven am when we leave to 0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:49.440 go to Colorado Springs, which is ironically when we were 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:52.000 going to your hometown the next day to see your dad. 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:54.120 Well almost we were going to the Grand Canyoneah went 0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:56.920 and then to Colorado Springs, but we were having an 0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:59.279 off day in the Grand Canyon. So I take the 0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:02.719 key and hide it, and I say you're free to go. 0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:05.759 Right I'm tired of arguing. It's been hours of going 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:10.200 back and forth. So you go, just like I predicted, 0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:12.799 to the trailer to get your gun to go into 0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:16.200 the Navajo reservation with your gun. You realize it's locked 0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:19.000 and there's no key, and I was totally cool with that. 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:24.040 Or wait, I was curious. That's right. You came back 0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:27.960 as if as if your your Second Amendment has been 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:32.960 violated by democratic government, which it probably needed to be 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:37.000 tempered a little bit. It probably needed to just be like, 0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:40.920 why don't you take a break from from it for now? 0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:45.320 That was a really that was a really good idea 0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:48.960 and a good call on y'all's part. So I was 0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:53.080 Hillary Clinton to you, Yes, at that moment, Yeah, you 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:57.200 really couldn't have done anything positive that I was going 0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.520 to be on board with at that time. You could have. 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:02.360 You could have given me a million dollars and I 0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:05.520 would have found some reason to be angry. So then 0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:10.560 the plan no pun intended backfired on me because as 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:13.400 I'm just thinking, I'm gonna forget it. I'm gonna let 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:16.839 him deal with this problem of being locked out from 0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:18.960 his own gun. I'm gonna let him deal with this, 0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:21.759 and I'm gonna go to bet that was wishful thinking. 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:24.360 So I go to the hotel room with Tyler. This 0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:27.000 is back in a time when we had one or 0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:31.719 two one room or two. We had two rooms with everyone. Yeah, 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:35.719 and it was two guys to a bed. Okay for 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:38.880 the most part. In our room, I was Yeah. So 0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:41.279 I go back to my room. I've got Tyler in there. 0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:44.239 I've got Eric or Derek excuse me, you said, our 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:48.760 keyboard player. And I go in there like I'm wishful 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:52.480 thinking I'm gonna go to sleep, and you come and 0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:55.880 find me. And you have made up your mind that 0:48:56.520 --> 0:49:01.480 that gun and this trip to the mountaintop is bloodshed 0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.839 with your band brothers, and you have made up your 0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:09.920 hide has made up his mind Khalip that I will 0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:14.680 fight you until you until you submit to give me 0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:17.719 that key or tell me where it's hidden. Yeah, the 0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:23.320 hide is persistent. If nothing else, just I you know, 0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:26.080 when you meet somebody, and I'm sure people who were 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:28.840 watching this podcast is know somebody who like, there's no 0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:30.919 reasoning with a person like that once they have something 0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:33.040 in their head, whether it be I need to get 0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:38.840 this back, or that person said something, or that person's 0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:43.120 looking at me, none of it makes sense. But you're 0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:46.359 trying to talk to a crazy person. At that point, 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:49.480 we were thinking, should we zip time to the shower, 0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:52.479 let him sleep it off. That was like an option. 0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:58.880 So I'm gonna take a quick break and I'll tell 0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:08.400 you how I finally call the cops. So this all 0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:12.680 came to a head when you you basically during the 0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:16.400 conversation in the doorway of the hotel, I'm saying, sorry, buddy, 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:18.360 I'm not going to give you the key to the 0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:22.239 trailer to your gun. You're on your own, and you 0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:25.719 stuck your foot in the door yes, and said, here's 0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:29.200 the ultimatum. Did either you tell me where that key 0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:32.080 is so that you can give me my property back, 0:50:33.280 --> 0:50:36.320 or we're all going to fight. And I realized that 0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:40.120 I'm taking on all of you, and I'm okay with 0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:43.880 those odds. I'm okay with the consequences of the bodily 0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:47.680 harm that that might cause me. Ye, which is the 0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:50.600 same thing you thought about the Navajo tribe. It wasn't 0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:54.759 really worried about It wasn't worried about what happened to me, 0:50:56.320 --> 0:51:00.400 you know, because it was just needed to get uh 0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:06.640 to something, and uh, I think maybe even a little 0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:11.040 bit of accomplished something, yeah, you know, like get a 0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:14.959 get a victory, yeah, you know, because it didn't feel 0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:19.680 like anything was you know, it would have been not 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:22.799 to achieve something where it just seems like everything's kind 0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:26.239 of going, you know. I'm sure that was part of it. 0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:28.600 Mainly it was because I had my mind set on it, 0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:32.600 and you can't tell someone you know, who's that crazy 0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:36.560 right then? No, or you know, it's just you're dealing 0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:41.480 with a crazy person at that point. So so I've 0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:44.960 pretty much left with one choice in my mind. Do 0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:48.600 you disagree with my one choice? No? No, I only 0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:51.840 had one option. No, Yeah, that was that was That 0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:53.799 was all you all you could do. I said, all right, man, 0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:57.719 I got one card to play one only. I got 0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:01.600 to do what is probably going to be the most 0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:05.520 embarrassing moment of my personal career. I am gonna have 0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:12.400 to call the cops on my own drummer. Please, Caleb, 0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:16.480 don't make me do this. Don't make me live out 0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:23.720 a terribly embarrassing moment in a relatively small town where 0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:27.719 we call dispatch and they come to Museum Club. They're 0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:30.600 gonna know who the band was that played there. They're 0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:33.800 gonna know me. Yeah, Please don't make me do this. 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:36.399 It was a huge town, a lot going on. Yeah, 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:39.759 please don't make me call cops. Please, don't make me 0:52:39.880 --> 0:52:41.680 do this. But you're but you're only leaving me one 0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:44.320 choice if you don't back down. You stood there with 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:45.880 your foot in the door, stared me right in the 0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:50.799 eye and said, I'm willing to accept that consequence. Yeah. 0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:58.320 Wish I hadn't been so so persistent. Yeah, that's a 0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:01.040 that's the thing. That's an are stating it. You put 0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:04.520 your persistency when you're high at or khalib Yeah yeah, 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:08.040 hide he and khalib he he just he doesn't give up. 0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:11.440 I'll get that to although I wish he would, you know, 0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:14.840 like would have like found a really hard crossword puzzle 0:53:15.960 --> 0:53:20.680 knitting pattern, like, don't give up, hide, work on that puzzle, 0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:23.200 but you can get it. You'll finish that sweater. But no, 0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:28.600 it was always destructive, so stuff. So as if I 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:30.680 was living in some old Western movie. I decided to 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:35.239 count the ten count down from ten. Yeah, with my 0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:40.080 phone in my hand, nine to one one dialed, I start. 0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:43.839 I begin a slow countdown from ten, because if that's 0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:46.400 going to change your mind, yeah it was. It was 0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:54.080 a bizarre, bizarre, drunk, crazy New Year's Eve countdown hotel's doorway. 0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:57.920 So start at ten. You don't budge, you're just staring me, 0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:01.040 just staring me down. Just glass, were just staying right 0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:07.799 through me. Nine eight seven. You're just not budgeting. Your 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:10.359 foot's in the door. You have to get your gun. 0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:18.520 Nine one one dispatch And it's like, good the evening. 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:20.840 It's about four o'clock in the morning. How are you 0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:28.239 I need an officer to come to the so and 0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:33.520 so hotel outside of the Museum Club. One of my 0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:36.600 employees has had too much to drink. Correct me if 0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:39.239 I'm wrong, I don't remember. One of my employees has 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:43.800 had too much to drink, and he is wanting to 0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:49.280 put himself in a dangerous situation with threatening us. Does 0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:54.160 he have a weapon that's the problem. No, he has 0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:58.239 a knife, he's not using it, but he's wanting to 0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:02.200 get his handgun. Where's the handgun? It's locked away and 0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:03.520 I have the key that's trying to get it. So 0:55:03.560 --> 0:55:07.160 I basically explained the situation. Okay, officers are on the way, 0:55:08.680 --> 0:55:10.960 and they kept asking me like is he in possessed 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:15.040 where's the knife right now, like to his pocket? And 0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:18.279 he's non possession of any other weapons, which is you know, 0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:21.839 legitimate questions they're putting officers at risk sending them at 0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:23.800 four o'clock in the morning. Yeah, they don't know what 0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:29.960 they're running into. So they arrive the it commences the 0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:34.440 most embarrassing you know sequence. So thus far, I've had 0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:38.000 more since then, more embarrassing moments, like getting naked on 0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:40.239 the table after breaking two ribs in the hospital in 0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:49.160 New Jersey. That was terrible. You Khalib switches off as 0:55:49.160 --> 0:55:52.120 soon as the red, red, and blue lights arrive. Khalib, 0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:55.400 as it turns out, is a big fan of law enforcement. 0:55:57.120 --> 0:56:01.080 He's a he's a staunch supporter of law enforcement and 0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:06.000 the military, and he typically calms down when he's talking 0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:08.520 to law enforcement. I don't know what. He's got a 0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:11.680 lot of bad qualities, all right, to the bitter end, 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:16.480 Khalib is a law enforcement supporter. Yeah, uh true American 0:56:16.760 --> 0:56:19.719 Patriot thanked him. Talk to him about that. Yeah, they 0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:22.839 were super cool. They were really nice. Well, but when 0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:25.400 they showed up, Yeah, like you said, Kalib, all of 0:56:25.400 --> 0:56:29.600 a sudden turns and it's just talking to them. You 0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:32.680 met them in the parking lot. Yeah, they're like, where's 0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:34.239 where you know, where's the guy we're dealing You're like, oh, 0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:37.239 that's me. Yeah, Yeah. They're like, all right, we're looking 0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:40.600 for that's me and they're like you and I'm like yeah, 0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:42.600 and they're like all right, let's uh and they're kind 0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:46.040 of looking me over. They were super cool. Uh. So 0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:48.279 one one comes up to me, is like typically what 0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:51.200 they do, Like if two cars came and one branches 0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:53.120 off and goes straight to me and he's like, where's 0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:55.759 the firearm. It's like it's in this trailer over here, 0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:59.440 and he walks over there, it's checks the lock. Okay, 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:04.400 keep it secure. And you, meanwhile, were talking to the 0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:08.440 other officer. You're telling him the story and it basically 0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:13.800 comes It actually solved the entire problem because you weren't 0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:20.200 you weren't intoxicated enough to be taken in, and you 0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:24.600 weren't causing a disturbance currently. You were just threatening to yeah, 0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:28.080 and they were you know, I wasn't going to I 0:57:28.200 --> 0:57:31.320 wasn't going to get my gun and shoot anybody. I 0:57:31.440 --> 0:57:33.360 was going to get my gun, which was just in 0:57:34.360 --> 0:57:37.360 a drunk DDE doing that and wanting to go climb 0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:40.800 a mountain. It's just a bad idea. Yeah, I believe 0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:42.960 that is just a horrible idea. You're right, you want 0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:46.520 to don't know what would happen. Yeah, So so just 0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:48.320 the fact that I wanted to do that was a 0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:51.520 bad idea. But you fundamentally, it all boiled down to 0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:55.400 you have a Second Amendment right to carry, and no 0:57:55.520 --> 0:57:56.960 one was going to take that right away from you. 0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:59.520 That's pretty much what the entire thing boiled down to. 0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:02.040 It wasn't about I'm gonna go hurt somebody or I'm 0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:04.760 gonna kill myself or anyone else or shoot anything, or 0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:07.560 you just wanted to have it on you because I 0:58:07.720 --> 0:58:10.600 wasn't letting you. Yeah, and that was a problem to you. Yeah, 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:12.440 that was it. Like I said, you know, you get 0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:18.280 a really really intoxicated person with one tunnel vision goal 0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:22.240 in their mind, and it just that had to happen 0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:24.480 for some reason, or that was my goal at least. 0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:28.320 So they basically told you and me go to sleep, 0:58:30.080 --> 0:58:33.240 and you listened to them, Yes, well kind of sort 0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:35.480 of sort of. You listened to him in terms of 0:58:35.720 --> 0:58:38.360 leave the gun alone. So then you went to bed 0:58:38.400 --> 0:58:40.560 and we went to bed, and then you got back up, yes, 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:45.440 and went to the mountain. Yes, I did, And I 0:58:45.480 --> 0:58:47.920 didn't get all the way up to the mountain, so 0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:51.720 I went towards the mountain. I stopped in the middle 0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:57.680 of that big like common area, that area right there 0:58:58.240 --> 0:59:00.480 in the beginning of like the village area, and just 0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:06.320 screamed and invited whatever was gonna happen. I don't know, 0:59:06.400 --> 0:59:10.120 a fight or whatever. So but by that time, it 0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:12.360 was at like three o'clock in the morning, some random 0:59:12.480 --> 0:59:15.000 dude screaming in the middle of that little park area. 0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:16.760 I wouldn't have gone down there either. It was just 0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:20.360 a little bizarre. And then I fell asleep up against 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:24.520 a tree in that little park area right there, only 0:59:24.560 --> 0:59:25.920 for I don't know, it could have been just a 0:59:25.960 --> 0:59:28.080 handful of minutes, and then went back. You made it 0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:30.680 back by role time. I went back to the hotel room. 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:37.720 I slept like in the closet, I believe, and then 0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:40.880 we got up and rolled. We got up and went 0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:43.680 to the Grand Canyon the next day. You that's when 0:59:43.720 --> 0:59:45.840 you realized you had a broken hand, by the way, Yes, 0:59:46.720 --> 0:59:49.120 I was on time for roll, by the way. Yeah, 0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:51.560 to all you guys who deal with time, Yeah, at 0:59:51.640 --> 0:59:53.440 least I made it to that. You're on time for 0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:56.320 the role. You realize when you became sober you had 0:59:56.400 --> 1:00:00.800 broken hand. Yeah, And we went, of all places to 1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:03.200 the Grand Canyon. It was all of our first time. 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:05.360 That goes at your first time, so all of us 1:00:05.400 --> 1:00:10.720 it was our first time to go, and it was incredible. 1:00:11.080 --> 1:00:13.200 Side note, if you haven't been to the Grand Canyon 1:00:13.920 --> 1:00:17.600 and you're wanting to travel internationally, save that first and 1:00:17.640 --> 1:00:19.560 go to the Grand Canyon because it's incredible. It's like 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:24.480 a worldwide spectacle. You can't explain it. Pictures don't do 1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:30.160 it justice. You have to see that chasm, the depth 1:00:30.320 --> 1:00:32.160 of that. You have to see it with your own eyes, 1:00:32.840 --> 1:00:35.400 which is very ironic to go to a place like 1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:39.200 that and experience the wonder of the earth, of the 1:00:39.320 --> 1:00:44.200 planet and the depth of the planet and the space 1:00:46.280 --> 1:00:51.920 while you're dealing with what then become small problems amongst 1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:57.400 a couple friends. Yeah, and we wrote. We walked through 1:00:57.440 --> 1:01:02.040 the canyon, didn't say a word, no, started off walking 1:01:02.560 --> 1:01:07.040 together ish and then very quickly I was alone. But 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:10.680 I wouldn't have hung out with me either. I would 1:01:11.200 --> 1:01:14.480 So I'm walking up and down the Grand Canyon out 1:01:14.560 --> 1:01:19.880 of brass because I'm hungover, uh and and just just 1:01:20.240 --> 1:01:23.680 tired and nauseous, and my hand's broken. So I stopped. 1:01:23.920 --> 1:01:26.800 There was snow there at that time, I stopped and 1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:30.000 I'd stick my hand in the snow and just sit there, 1:01:30.360 --> 1:01:32.320 and people were like walking by, They're probably like, what 1:01:32.720 --> 1:01:37.240 in the world is this guy doing, reeks about still 1:01:37.480 --> 1:01:40.320 he's just sitting on this rock with his hand in 1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:43.480 the snow, and uh. Yeah, I went down as far 1:01:43.560 --> 1:01:46.840 as I as far as I could, and then uh 1:01:47.200 --> 1:01:51.440 and then walked back up there. It's such as a 1:01:51.480 --> 1:01:54.479 bizarre I don't count that as my my Grand Canyon trip. 1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:57.720 I always tell I was told we should go see 1:01:57.840 --> 1:02:00.320 the Grand Canyon and then you know, they'd be that'd 1:02:00.320 --> 1:02:02.080 be cool to go see that together. And I don't 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:04.280 count that trip as a Grand Canyon trip for me 1:02:04.400 --> 1:02:08.160 because hide went, I didn't really go, and my hand 1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:14.160 was broken, so it wasn't like a really good experience. Yeah, 1:02:14.880 --> 1:02:18.320 I remember, were just walking and we were alone. We 1:02:18.440 --> 1:02:22.200 weren't with you because we separated just naturally. But we 1:02:22.280 --> 1:02:26.760 weren't really talking either. No, like me and the other 1:02:26.840 --> 1:02:30.880 guys weren't talking either because everyone was A we didn't 1:02:30.880 --> 1:02:35.720 get much sleep, and B we were tired from walking 1:02:36.000 --> 1:02:38.800 and cold. It was really really cold that day in 1:02:38.880 --> 1:02:41.960 the Grand Canyon. Yes, in the in the teens, I 1:02:42.040 --> 1:02:46.280 believe or lower and and we just had a lot 1:02:46.360 --> 1:02:47.880 on her mind. You know, it was a lot to 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:51.840 take in. It was a lot to think, well, how 1:02:51.880 --> 1:02:53.800 do we move forward as a band? Like are we 1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:55.920 ever going to be the same? And a gig again, 1:02:56.960 --> 1:02:59.960 like is Caleb gone? Is he quitting? Should we fire? 1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:06.640 Is he gonna? Is this? Is this even smart in 1:03:06.840 --> 1:03:09.640 any level to continue on? So there's a lot of 1:03:09.680 --> 1:03:16.240 stuff kind of rolling around in our brains and as if, 1:03:16.440 --> 1:03:19.400 as in so many other times in music with me, 1:03:21.320 --> 1:03:26.360 what ultimately healed that was the first show back? Yeah, 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:30.280 because then you reunite in making music together as a group, 1:03:31.240 --> 1:03:35.840 and each person does his part collectively for the song, 1:03:36.400 --> 1:03:39.520 and without your part, there is no song. Without any 1:03:39.560 --> 1:03:42.880 of the five parts, there's no song. So we come 1:03:42.960 --> 1:03:48.880 together collectively and contribute our piece to the music, and 1:03:49.080 --> 1:03:54.680 that naturally heals the damage that was done that night 1:03:54.680 --> 1:03:58.120 in Flagstaff. Yeah, you get to write, to work back together, 1:03:58.320 --> 1:04:02.920 and especially creatively are basically you're you're doing something creating 1:04:03.040 --> 1:04:06.840 with another person. And uh, that was always kind of therapeutic, 1:04:06.920 --> 1:04:09.760 at least for me. You guys had to play with me, 1:04:11.200 --> 1:04:13.760 so you know what I mean, Like at least for 1:04:13.920 --> 1:04:16.280 those shows. It was like we had to at least 1:04:16.320 --> 1:04:20.000 get along on stage. So, but you guys are always 1:04:20.040 --> 1:04:24.400 so more than gracious, enough, more than more than I 1:04:24.560 --> 1:04:27.120 probably would have been, And it was it was nice 1:04:27.160 --> 1:04:31.960 to to get back to that any any any kind 1:04:32.000 --> 1:04:34.960 of normalcy. So playing on stage was good, even if 1:04:35.000 --> 1:04:37.160 my hand was broke and I could barely hold that 1:04:37.240 --> 1:04:40.280 drumstick so kind of did a tape job to hold 1:04:40.320 --> 1:04:44.280 it on there. It was nice to be back with 1:04:44.480 --> 1:04:47.040 you guys. You know, like I said, you guys were 1:04:47.080 --> 1:04:50.440 never really you guys never like shunned me or anything 1:04:50.520 --> 1:04:52.440 like that, which was which was really cool. It was 1:04:52.560 --> 1:04:56.720 just how could you guys at that time, How could 1:04:56.760 --> 1:05:02.120 any of you guys understand you know at that time? Yeah, 1:05:02.480 --> 1:05:07.440 what what was causing me to be so uh so crazy? 1:05:07.720 --> 1:05:09.560 What was your what's your dad say? Because we went 1:05:09.640 --> 1:05:12.080 to the next day after Grand Canyon, we went to 1:05:12.120 --> 1:05:14.480 Colorado Spring to play that show. What did your dad 1:05:14.560 --> 1:05:18.680 say when he saw you? Uh, he asked about my hand. Yeah, 1:05:18.720 --> 1:05:22.080 he was like. I called him right after, right after 1:05:22.560 --> 1:05:24.960 the next day and told him and that's when he 1:05:25.080 --> 1:05:27.160 was like, you're you're going to play these shows? And 1:05:28.240 --> 1:05:30.600 I was going to play him anyways, but he definitely 1:05:30.680 --> 1:05:32.960 made sure that I knew that I was going to 1:05:33.000 --> 1:05:35.560 play the shows. And then when I saw him, you know, 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:40.040 he asked about my hand, and uh, you know, he's 1:05:40.120 --> 1:05:44.800 he he always he calls me Cabe so and uh, 1:05:45.960 --> 1:05:48.560 you know that you call me Cape and he's like Cape, 1:05:49.200 --> 1:05:52.120 I just what are you doing? You know, and this 1:05:52.280 --> 1:05:54.760 isn't the way, and and uh, you got to stop 1:05:54.800 --> 1:05:59.640 doing stuff like this, and so yeah, it was really 1:05:59.640 --> 1:06:03.040 it's really unfortunate because they they got to see Hide 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:07.520 too on a couple of different occasions, which hurts because 1:06:07.520 --> 1:06:10.840 it's it's your family and not only they understand, you know, 1:06:11.040 --> 1:06:15.800 they knew understood the loss of Levi and Noah. So 1:06:16.960 --> 1:06:19.080 it doesn't make any sense. You're you're terrible to whoever 1:06:19.120 --> 1:06:22.400 you're around when you're when you're like that, unfortunately. And 1:06:22.520 --> 1:06:24.040 that's one of the main things that I want to 1:06:24.080 --> 1:06:29.720 tell people who are going through grief or or or 1:06:29.800 --> 1:06:33.400 whatever you're going through in your life where you're not yourself, 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:35.960 is that you might not be able to make it 1:06:37.000 --> 1:06:41.320 better immediately right now, but one of the best things 1:06:41.360 --> 1:06:44.160 you can do for yourself is to not make it worse, 1:06:45.080 --> 1:06:48.080 Like I made it worse. I didn't have to make 1:06:48.120 --> 1:06:51.200 it worse. My life could have kept going in a 1:06:51.280 --> 1:06:55.120 direction and slowly climbing up the hill. But so many 1:06:55.160 --> 1:06:57.600 times I'd get up a little bit, and then I 1:06:57.600 --> 1:07:02.080 would make it worse. Jordan Peterson's says that no matter 1:07:02.680 --> 1:07:05.320 how dark of a hole, no matter how the depths 1:07:05.440 --> 1:07:07.919 of hell that you have created for yourself, no matter 1:07:08.000 --> 1:07:11.920 where that is, it always could get deeper. And humans 1:07:12.000 --> 1:07:14.400 have a great way of finding a way to get 1:07:14.480 --> 1:07:19.000 deeper in the hole they've already made. Yeah, it's one 1:07:19.080 --> 1:07:23.479 hundred percent correct, and that if you would just wait. 1:07:24.400 --> 1:07:26.320 It's hard to do that at the time, obviously, but 1:07:27.520 --> 1:07:29.600 if you would just wait, things would get better. Or 1:07:29.720 --> 1:07:31.640 like when I tell people about grief, I go, it 1:07:31.680 --> 1:07:35.520 doesn't get better, it gets different, And sometimes different is 1:07:35.560 --> 1:07:38.000 the answer to prayer to what you're dealing with at 1:07:38.040 --> 1:07:40.880 that time. Just wait, don't make it any worse. That's 1:07:41.240 --> 1:07:43.800 one of my main goals in life. When I talk 1:07:43.840 --> 1:07:45.720 to people dealing with stuff, it's just that that's my 1:07:46.000 --> 1:07:48.280 That's why I tell them, don't make it any worse. 1:07:48.400 --> 1:07:54.520 You know, you know, the only thing, the only thing 1:07:54.520 --> 1:07:57.280 after river that I could tell you at that time 1:07:57.440 --> 1:07:59.240 was I don't know how to make I don't know 1:07:59.320 --> 1:08:03.960 what to tell you what to do, but I obviously 1:08:04.040 --> 1:08:06.520 showed you what doesn't work, you know, And that was 1:08:06.880 --> 1:08:08.080 that was the only thing I could tell you. And 1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:12.200 I'll never pretend to understand what that loss was like, 1:08:12.680 --> 1:08:14.320 but that was the only thing that I could say. 1:08:15.120 --> 1:08:18.400 But I remember that you saw. I don't know. I 1:08:18.479 --> 1:08:21.200 never knew what to tell you how to go forward 1:08:21.240 --> 1:08:25.800 or to do this, but you know, unfortunately I showed you. 1:08:26.920 --> 1:08:31.240 I remember what. I remember that conversation. What's crazy about 1:08:31.520 --> 1:08:35.360 your story? What the flag Staff story? And people there's 1:08:35.400 --> 1:08:38.040 a lot of people that probably understand it. There's a 1:08:38.320 --> 1:08:42.160 lot more people they're probably thinking, wow, that's that had 1:08:42.160 --> 1:08:44.240 to have been the worst thing that happened between those two, 1:08:44.439 --> 1:08:50.000 But it wasn't because something else happened later that ended 1:08:50.120 --> 1:08:56.599 up ending your drumming time with me. It was technically 1:08:56.760 --> 1:09:01.240 worse than flag Staff and that ended our relationship, me 1:09:01.360 --> 1:09:03.880 being singer and you being drummer. It's spun off into 1:09:03.920 --> 1:09:06.439 where you are now. I don't want to get into 1:09:06.479 --> 1:09:08.280 that now because I think we should do another podcast 1:09:08.360 --> 1:09:11.800 about that, and if you guys want to hear how 1:09:11.960 --> 1:09:13.960 Caleb and I got to hear comment below if you're 1:09:13.960 --> 1:09:17.920 watching on YouTube. But believe it or not, we were 1:09:18.000 --> 1:09:21.559 temporarily healed in Colorado Springs after Flagstaff, and we did 1:09:21.600 --> 1:09:23.479 get better and we played a lot more shows, and 1:09:23.520 --> 1:09:26.080 we traveled a lot more. Yeah, and then it got 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:29.600 worse again in a different way, and it ended up 1:09:29.640 --> 1:09:34.479 being the destruction of us on the stage. And then 1:09:34.520 --> 1:09:37.519 the introduction of Dusty Saxon, who's my current drummer, who 1:09:37.640 --> 1:09:41.680 introduced me to you this first. Yeah, Dusty introduced me 1:09:41.760 --> 1:09:44.519 to Caleb, and then Caleb replaced Dusty when things got 1:09:44.560 --> 1:09:48.800 worse again. And that's a whole different story and a 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:52.280 really good one, and a whole different podcast and a 1:09:52.400 --> 1:09:58.720 whole different form of grief for you. And I want 1:09:58.760 --> 1:10:02.760 to also say that through all this, I've trusted you 1:10:03.000 --> 1:10:05.640 with me, me and my life, and I've trusted you 1:10:05.760 --> 1:10:09.320 with my family because you and your wife now have 1:10:09.479 --> 1:10:13.400 been I have spent much a lot of time with 1:10:13.520 --> 1:10:17.599 my family, and I trust you as as my own brother. 1:10:18.400 --> 1:10:21.200 And people are probably just scratching their heads right now, 1:10:21.320 --> 1:10:28.040 going how did the worst relationship? Yeah, I don't, I don't. 1:10:29.479 --> 1:10:31.439 I think that's I think that is probably funny. To 1:10:31.520 --> 1:10:35.840 some people, it's like, what does there's no there's no 1:10:36.000 --> 1:10:40.599 explaining explaining, you know, because you don't get anything from 1:10:40.640 --> 1:10:44.880 me other than our our friendship. Like I can't do 1:10:45.479 --> 1:10:48.719 a lot for you. No, you're a great warehouse manager. 1:10:49.000 --> 1:10:51.760 Well you're really good at it. Wow, thank you. I 1:10:51.840 --> 1:10:54.599 have an affinity for corrugated paper. If you guys want 1:10:54.600 --> 1:10:57.360 to hear more from Caleb, comment blows say we want 1:10:57.400 --> 1:11:01.000 more Caleb, and we'll do another podcast and explo plane that. Uh, 1:11:01.680 --> 1:11:04.160 there's more. There's not the rest of the story because 1:11:04.160 --> 1:11:07.400 there's more and then there's more layers and it's fascinating. 1:11:08.200 --> 1:11:10.960 But thank you, dude for being the onion of a man. 1:11:11.240 --> 1:11:13.519 I think you've got management to do in the warehouse. 1:11:14.000 --> 1:11:17.360 So working, Yeah, yeah, you're working all right. See you guys, 1:11:17.800 --> 1:11:23.639 love you. Mm hmmm