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Speaker 1: me calling the cops on my drummer, my own drummer.

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Speaker 1: One of the lowest points of my career. It felt like,

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Speaker 1: definitely one of the most embarrassing parts of my career.

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Speaker 1: And I'm joined today with my drummer, Caleb Kelly, who

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Speaker 1: was the source uh well call it, call it co

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Speaker 1: source of this predicament. Welcome to the Grangersmith Podcast, Episode

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Speaker 1: forty six. So much fun. Caleb's one of my best friends,

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Speaker 1: so many good stories with him, and probably more to

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Speaker 1: come as more of these podcasts roll through with him.

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Speaker 1: Comment below as as you hear these stories. If you

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Speaker 1: want to hear more of Caleb. The best way to

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Speaker 1: get a hold of me right now, if you want

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Speaker 1: to talk to me right now, you go to Cameo.

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Speaker 1: Get the app on your phone, Cameo orcameo dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on there and I could send

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Speaker 1: you a video message. I could send you congratulations. I

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Speaker 1: could send you a happy Birthday. I can send you

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Speaker 1: some uplifting messages or some maybe you want me to

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Speaker 1: punk you out, whatever you want me to say. Cameo

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Speaker 1: I can also direct message you. This is actually one

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Speaker 1: to send you a message. So it's a great gift idea,

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Speaker 1: It's a really cool platform for me to use to

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Speaker 1: send to someone else. Super super easy. You could do

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Speaker 1: talk about is this new album coming out next month

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get two brand new songs from me, songs

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Speaker 1: hear these songs. You know, technically, whenever any of an

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Speaker 1: remember things that I've forgotten. But you joined my band

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Speaker 1: side of the fence. And I'm also presenting this to

428
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: friends and employers and buddies that have one of these

429
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: kind of people in their lives that to showing them

430
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: that there is another side of the coin, There is

431
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: a way out of this. If you apply the proper

432
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: pressure where it needs to be, you could stop the bleeding.

433
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: And you're my example in my world of a guy

434
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: that was written off as lost in a lot of ways,

435
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: and now you're one of our most valuable employees at

436
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: EE Apparel and still one of my best friends. And

437
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: I'm grateful that for all that, I'm also grateful that

438
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: we get to you get to relive twenty eleven twenty

439
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: twelve with me a time there was a big transition

440
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: before he became a band that people cared about, and

441
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: I like to hang on to those memories and you

442
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: kind of keep be grounded when it comes to that

443
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Lots changed, yeah, and a lot has

444
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: changed on the outside. On the inside, we're still it's

445
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: still me and Tyler and Parker, you and and you know.

446
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: So there's a lot that's the core of it is

447
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: still the same. Yeah, it's the the nuts and bolts,

448
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: the main ingredients. There's a lot of extra extra stuff

449
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: on it. But the I'm always impressed at the hard

450
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: work and the innovation that comes from you smith boys.

451
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: It's just no ground. I always say, no grass grows

452
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: underneath your feet. It's constantly moving, so which is just amazing.

453
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: That's why people are looking towards you guys, especially during

454
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: this time, because it's not just music that you have.

455
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: You know, you've got all these finger in a lot

456
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: of different pies. You know, it's a lot of different

457
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: things going, which is impressive. And no grass grows in

458
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: Texas at all. Right, now, that's true. It's too hot

459
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: it's all it's all dead, five degrees outside. I'm gonna

460
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: take a quick break, and then you want to go

461
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: to Flagstaff, Arizona with me? When I called the cops

462
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: on you, yes, all right, be right back. So we

463
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: were rolling to the van. We got a little run.

464
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: We're going to Arizona. We're going to Colorado. It's like

465
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: a Utah stop in there in Mexico. Maybe, or maybe

466
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: it started with I don't know. Well, the day after well,

467
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: right after flag Staff, we went to Grand Canyon, Okay,

468
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: so we have a little Western run with the band.

469
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: And this was in twenty eleven. I think that, Yeah,

470
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: we go to Flagstaff, Arizona to play the Museum Club,

471
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: small music venue, a really fun place. And the day

472
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: starts when we arrived. The day start with me, you

473
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: and maybe Tyler, Johnny and Tyler because we were training

474
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: for the bootwalk. Johnny and Tyler were training for the

475
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: one hundred mile bootwalk that we were doing without the

476
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: first year of it. Maybe that was the second year,

477
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: because you guys did the first year right before it

478
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: and then and then I was happy to join, Okay,

479
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: the second year. So we were in this in this

480
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: little routine of getting to a venue, and during our

481
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: off time, we would put on combat boots and walk

482
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: to try to get our legs acclimated to walking long

483
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: distances and breaking boots and breaking in boots. And we

484
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: start walking in Flagstaff started the venue. We just start

485
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: walking and our only reference was the mountain that was there.

486
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: It was like a big mountain there, Like, let's walk

487
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: to the foot of the mountain, thinking like, maybe there's

488
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: a stream there, really cool path we could path, and

489
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: then maybe we can get up into the mountain a

490
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: little bit, maybe there's some kind of trail. So we start.

491
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: We didn't know this, but we we go right into

492
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: a Navajo reservation. No signs, no signs, We just walked

493
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: straight into it. And what we also didn't know was

494
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: it's not good to walk into a Navajo reservation. Yeah,

495
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: it's not very it's not very wait, I mean, I

496
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: imagine it's probably nicer if you're invited. But we just

497
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: started walking and that's when we saw that older gentleman

498
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: on the backside of that store. Yeah, he was like, no,

499
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: we thought he was I don't know what we thought

500
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: he was on or something like that, but it looked

501
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: like he was trying to get our attention at the

502
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: like a grocery store. It's like behind the grocery store,

503
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: there was this man and evidently that was the entrance

504
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: to the reservation, like that next street was going to

505
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: start the reservation. We didn't know that. And there was

506
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: this old man. We thought he was homeless and drunk.

507
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: He was yelling at us to tell us to stop, stop, stop,

508
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: and we thought he was like gonna say stop, my

509
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: cars broke down and I needed some cash, you know whatever.

510
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: So we ignored him as we would just a bum

511
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: asking for a dollar. We just just keep just keep

512
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: your faith straightforward, just keep walking. So then we enter

513
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: the reservation unknowingly, and things started happening around us. Our

514
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: faces were turning towards us, everyone's eye on us. So

515
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 1: then the two dudes, Yeah, they started following us, and uh,

516
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: we're yelling at us, yes, and we were like all

517
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: right in their language, yeah, obviously where we're not where

518
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be. Uh, but you know, it was

519
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: an accident. You know, we wouldn't have done that. But yeah,

520
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: it definitely started to get a little intense, you know,

521
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: just kind of yelling and stuff like that. And as

522
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: we're walking. I remember walking back through like that little

523
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: we wouldn't call it like a common area, but it

524
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: was like a there was like a playground there and sidewalks,

525
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: and they were like really yelling and they're like come in,

526
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, kind of getting closer to they got they

527
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: got together and started following us again, and yeah, that

528
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: was a they're gonna jump us. And we didn't know that.

529
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: We didn't know where we were. And if we did

530
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: know where we were, I don't think I would have known.

531
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: It was a bad deal for four white dudes to

532
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: just go trespassing through a Navajo reservation uninvited, because that

533
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: probably looked like we were looking for trouble, yeah, or

534
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: like we didn't care. Yeah, we didn't. We didn't respect. Yeah,

535
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: told we'll go where we want. Now, we wouldn't have

536
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: gone there. We would have totally respected. We just had

537
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: no idea of where, yeah, where we were, so that

538
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: we never made it to the foot of the mountain. Instead,

539
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: as soon as we figured out we were in the wrong,

540
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: we made our way out of there. Luckily, there was

541
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: not a confrontation. We met our way out and started

542
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: heading back to the venue. But we're kind of amped

543
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: up about that. Like, we went back to the crew.

544
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: I said, hey, guys, don't don't walk towards the mountain.

545
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: That's the reservation. It's uh, you don't want to go

546
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: that way. We had guys yelling at us. It was

547
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: a close call, I mean, was we were scared. Adrenaline pumping.

548
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: We had adrenaline pumping. So that kind of set the

549
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: scene for the night that was going to come for us.

550
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: And we go. We play the show and it was

551
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: a great show. Yeah, I had a blast. We had

552
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: a really good time, great crowd for a band like

553
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: us that was relatively unknown to be all the way

554
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: in Arizona and play a show with people that were

555
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: really interested in it. It was a great It was

556
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: a great night, and it was a worthy It was

557
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: a worthy night of a celebration of some sort. Yeah.

558
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: So we have a few drinks. And this was long

559
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: after Flugerville, Texas, where me and you had had many

560
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: conversations like I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm good. Yeah, I

561
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: can control this, but I need to have I need

562
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: to be able to have a drink with my boys

563
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: to feel normal. Cool. Can't argue with that. And we

564
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: were in the mountains. So we were in the mountains,

565
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: which it felt like Colorado. Yeah, so I should I

566
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: should have known right then to be like maybe maybe,

567
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: don't you know, because you're everything's close to the surface,

568
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's always closer than you think. The

569
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: uh that side, the dark side, the dark side. So

570
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: do you remember what our keyboard player said to you

571
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: to set you off that night after a few drinks.

572
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: I love him to death. I don't know if you'll

573
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: say his name. Listen to this podcast, all right, well

574
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: we'll call him Derek Herrera. And the poor guy, it

575
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: wasn't his fault at all. He was just trying to

576
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: get us a load up. It's very you know he does.

577
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: He did his job trying to get things on and

578
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: off stage very good. And there was nobody following us,

579
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: so I wasn't in a hurry. No other band playing

580
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: after us. Yeah, so that was it, and we had

581
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: time to take our stuff down, So I don't know

582
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: what the hustle was. And I had already had a

583
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: handful of drinks and uh so I'm kind of loading up,

584
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: and uh, the the encounter we had and being in

585
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: the mountains and uh, the time of year, and just

586
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: the fact that it was all bubbling under the surface.

587
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: You know, I kind of kept asking me and kept

588
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: asking me, and then uh, and then I just I

589
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: just remember dropping drum gear, and then I don't really

590
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: I do remember, uh, punching a suburban out outside of

591
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: of the venue with this hand and doing quite a

592
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: bit of damage to that hand. But I broke your hand. Yeah,

593
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: broke my hand. And we had three shows left to go. Yeah,

594
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: I remember that because I remember calling my dad and

595
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 1: telling him. Then He's like, you're gonna play those shows?

596
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, I know, and he goes, no,

597
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna play those shows. I don't care if you

598
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: have to take the drum stick to your hand, You're

599
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: going to play those shows. So and I did. But yeah,

600
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: that was a I don't know what it was. I

601
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: should have known that it was that, not that I

602
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: could tell how far beneath the surface that was, but

603
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: that the fact that I couldn't tell should have been,

604
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, a warning. I think when you're walking through grief,

605
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: it's like imagine walking down the middle of the road.

606
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: You have days where you're walking down the middle of

607
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: the road and on the left or is a good

608
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: day or a good night, And on the right is

609
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: a bad night. That's on a good day you're walking

610
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: down the middle of the road, and then on certain

611
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: days you're walking down the middle of the sidewalk. And

612
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: on that night, I was walking like the down the

613
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: blade of a knife. So that's how it could have

614
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: gone either way. And it very quickly went bad. You

615
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: became hide. It was truly as Lincoln watches The Incredible Hulk.

616
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: It was truly you turned into the green Man, and

617
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: you couldn't go back. And the green Man he doesn't

618
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: like Caleb. No, no, he wants to destroy everything that

619
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: guy has. So I come outside and you were punching

620
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: the back of a suburban, the glass as if it's

621
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: a padded couch. You're just slamming it with your hand

622
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: and you're breaking the bones in your hand. Couldn't feel it,

623
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: didn't care. So I run out with Tyler. We stop

624
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: you from hitting the suburban, and luckily, luckily we didn't

625
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: confront you because you were ready to fight anybody or anything.

626
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: You would have fought your own family if they were there.

627
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: You wanted to fight anything. You would have fought God

628
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: or your dad or any or the Angel Gabriel. It

629
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: didn't matter. You wanted to fight. So when Tyler came

630
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: out there to break you up, to break it up,

631
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: you turned on us like, Okay, let's go. If you

632
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: don't want me to punch the suburban, I'll punch your face. Basically,

633
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: in a bunch of words and hours of conversation, we

634
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: instead of antagonizing you and getting mad, luckily we recognized

635
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: that you were not Caleb. It was the first of

636
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: many times when I realized I'm not talking to my

637
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: buddy Caleb right now. I actually called him. I gave

638
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: him a name Kalib, and named literally not. So if

639
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: you're listening to this podcast and you know of this

640
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: kind of situation, maybe it's you, maybe it's a friend,

641
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: maybe it's a family member, made it's a brother or sister,

642
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: you could recognize that they turn into the Hulk, they

643
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: turn into hide, they turned into Kalib, and they you

644
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: can't reason with that person, and you sure can't confront

645
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: them or fight them, because there is no winning that fight.

646
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna turn out to the the end result of

647
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: a true fight. If we were to have fought, as

648
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: you've mentioned it several times, hey, I might not kill you.

649
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: You might beat me, but in the end you're gonna

650
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: be missing an ear and half of your nose. Your

651
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: eye is gonna be gabs up. You're remember, you're gonna

652
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: remember from your deformity that you have from this night.

653
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: That's basically how you put it. And luckily Tyler and

654
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: I realized that we diffused the situation and we talked

655
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: you into going to bed, Like, stop, we still have

656
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: things to load in the trailer. We're gonna load it.

657
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: The hotel is attached to the same parking lot as

658
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: the venue, So here's the hotel. Key, buddy, you just

659
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: go in. I'm so sorry you're having a bad night.

660
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: Just go in there and sleep it off. Which didn't work, No,

661
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: now it didn't. I was gonna go to a mountain.

662
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: You go back to the hotel and you basically decide that, yes,

663
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: you recognize there's a problem. You recognize you're not yourself,

664
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: and the only way to reconcile this problem is at

665
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: the top of the mountain. Yes, so you're going to

666
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: go to the top of the mountain. We remind you

667
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: that there's a Navajo reservation in between you and the mountain,

668
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: and then you quickly acknowledge I'll take on the whole

669
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: Navajo tribe, yes, which is not a good idea, and

670
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't in the right frame of mind at all.

671
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: I was. Yeah, my goal was to go to the

672
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: top of the mountain. I remember saying to you, to

673
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: the top. Yes. I sure hope that no one listening

674
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: actually thinks that we're talking bad about the Navajo tribe.

675
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: It's not that at all, because you guys are just

676
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: a if you're listening, you're just a really unfortunate side

677
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: effect to this whole story. But it had nothing to

678
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: do specifically. It could have been it could have been

679
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: any group of people that didn't want to be imposed upon,

680
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: could have been Saint Mary's convent that was right next door. Yeah,

681
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: so the circus just came in town. Unfortunately it was

682
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: right next door in your mind, because I know you

683
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: very well, So in your mind, you're thinking, I'm gonna

684
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: reconcile like Moses on the top of this mountain, and

685
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: God's gonna speak to me in a burning bush. But

686
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: in order to get to that burning bush on top

687
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: of this mountain, I'm gonna have to go through the enemy.

688
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: And knowing what happened earlier that day. It's got to

689
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: be ten times worse in the middle of the night.

690
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: And I will welcome that adversary. And if I die

691
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: in a fight against the entire Navajo tribe, then so

692
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: be it. That's probably better than the current state of

693
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: my life. That's about as much sense as it made

694
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: in my mind. Yeah. Yeah, And you know, like you said,

695
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: it could have been anybody wasn't. It was just any adversity,

696
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: any fight, any pain, any bad situation, any fight that

697
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: was in front of me was more than welcome at

698
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: that point. And you were not adamant about going alone.

699
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: You you were welcoming us there. The open invitation was

700
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: there to, hey, you want to go with me, We're

701
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: going on the top of the mountain. Yeah, it would

702
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: actually be better if you fought the Navajo tribe with

703
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: me instead of just being And so nobody said yes,

704
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: no one, No one agreed to that one taker I

705
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: didn't want to go. It was like probably two o'clock

706
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: in the morning by this time. Yeah, right, yeah, it

707
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: was yeah, because we had done, we had played, and

708
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: then everything was either getting loaded up or loaded up.

709
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: Thanks to whoever loaded my drum kit. I think it

710
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: was Frank. So there's an X factor to this story.

711
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: Thus far you are and where back then an avid

712
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: to a supporter, constant, constantly carrying, and we knew that

713
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: you had a on you. You always had I guess

714
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: that was your sig. You had your sicklock, you had

715
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: your glock on you, and we knew that you were

716
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: going to go to the mountain, to the top and

717
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: go through the reservation, and you always had a glock

718
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: on you. This is not a good combination with you alcohol,

719
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: your hide, your kalibe, you have your pistol in your

720
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: in your pocket, and you're going to go through a

721
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: hostile group of people. This is bad, a bad recipe, bad.

722
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: And so when I realized I couldn't stop you from

723
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: going to the mountain, my next my next line of

724
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: thinking was, Okay, I can't stop Caleb, but what I

725
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: can do is asked to take his gun from him,

726
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: so then if he goes, at least he's not going

727
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: to kill anybody or get killed. Yeah, yeah, or just yeah,

728
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: that's my thinking. Three am, Now yeah I did's It

729
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: was a long time, probably probably ours of awkwardness, but yeah,

730
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: that was my plan was to kind of go to

731
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: the top of this mountain and just go there. So

732
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: I was going to stay the night. So I realized

733
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: because you played the show, you didn't play a show

734
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: with gun on you, because we played at a bar,

735
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: So you had it in our trailer in the center

736
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: section of our trailer that had a separate lock and key.

737
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: So as I'm putting this together in my head, I realize,

738
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: I'll take the key from a trailer and I'll go

739
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: hide it. So that way I'll say, Okay, buddy, you're

740
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: free to go. I can't stop you from going to

741
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: the mountain. I'm not going to go with you. I

742
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: hope you're back by seven am when we leave to

743
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: go to Colorado Springs, which is ironically when we were

744
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: going to your hometown the next day to see your dad.

745
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: Well almost we were going to the Grand Canyoneah went

746
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: and then to Colorado Springs, but we were having an

747
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: off day in the Grand Canyon. So I take the

748
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: key and hide it, and I say you're free to go.

749
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: Right I'm tired of arguing. It's been hours of going

750
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: back and forth. So you go, just like I predicted,

751
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: to the trailer to get your gun to go into

752
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: the Navajo reservation with your gun. You realize it's locked

753
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: and there's no key, and I was totally cool with that.

754
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: Or wait, I was curious. That's right. You came back

755
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: as if as if your your Second Amendment has been

756
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: violated by democratic government, which it probably needed to be

757
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: tempered a little bit. It probably needed to just be like,

758
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: why don't you take a break from from it for now?

759
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: That was a really that was a really good idea

760
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: and a good call on y'all's part. So I was

761
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton to you, Yes, at that moment, Yeah, you

762
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: really couldn't have done anything positive that I was going

763
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: to be on board with at that time. You could have.

764
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: You could have given me a million dollars and I

765
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: would have found some reason to be angry. So then

766
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: the plan no pun intended backfired on me because as

767
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, I'm gonna forget it. I'm gonna let

768
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: him deal with this problem of being locked out from

769
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: his own gun. I'm gonna let him deal with this,

770
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go to bet that was wishful thinking.

771
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: So I go to the hotel room with Tyler. This

772
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: is back in a time when we had one or

773
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: two one room or two. We had two rooms with everyone. Yeah,

774
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: and it was two guys to a bed. Okay for

775
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: the most part. In our room, I was Yeah. So

776
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: I go back to my room. I've got Tyler in there.

777
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: I've got Eric or Derek excuse me, you said, our

778
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: keyboard player. And I go in there like I'm wishful

779
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: thinking I'm gonna go to sleep, and you come and

780
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: find me. And you have made up your mind that

781
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: that gun and this trip to the mountaintop is bloodshed

782
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: with your band brothers, and you have made up your

783
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: hide has made up his mind Khalip that I will

784
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: fight you until you until you submit to give me

785
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: that key or tell me where it's hidden. Yeah, the

786
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: hide is persistent. If nothing else, just I you know,

787
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: when you meet somebody, and I'm sure people who were

788
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: watching this podcast is know somebody who like, there's no

789
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: reasoning with a person like that once they have something

790
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: in their head, whether it be I need to get

791
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: this back, or that person said something, or that person's

792
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: looking at me, none of it makes sense. But you're

793
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: trying to talk to a crazy person. At that point,

794
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: we were thinking, should we zip time to the shower,

795
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 1: let him sleep it off. That was like an option.

796
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take a quick break and I'll tell

797
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: you how I finally call the cops. So this all

798
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: came to a head when you you basically during the

799
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: conversation in the doorway of the hotel, I'm saying, sorry, buddy,

800
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you the key to the

801
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: trailer to your gun. You're on your own, and you

802
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: stuck your foot in the door yes, and said, here's

803
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: the ultimatum. Did either you tell me where that key

804
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: is so that you can give me my property back,

805
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: or we're all going to fight. And I realized that

806
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm taking on all of you, and I'm okay with

807
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: those odds. I'm okay with the consequences of the bodily

808
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: harm that that might cause me. Ye, which is the

809
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: same thing you thought about the Navajo tribe. It wasn't

810
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: really worried about It wasn't worried about what happened to me,

811
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, because it was just needed to get uh

812
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: to something, and uh, I think maybe even a little

813
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: bit of accomplished something, yeah, you know, like get a

814
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,959
Speaker 1: get a victory, yeah, you know, because it didn't feel

815
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: like anything was you know, it would have been not

816
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: to achieve something where it just seems like everything's kind

817
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: of going, you know. I'm sure that was part of it.

818
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: Mainly it was because I had my mind set on it,

819
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: and you can't tell someone you know, who's that crazy

820
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: right then? No, or you know, it's just you're dealing

821
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: with a crazy person at that point. So so I've

822
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: pretty much left with one choice in my mind. Do

823
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: you disagree with my one choice? No? No, I only

824
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: had one option. No, Yeah, that was that was That

825
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: was all you all you could do. I said, all right, man,

826
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: I got one card to play one only. I got

827
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: to do what is probably going to be the most

828
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: embarrassing moment of my personal career. I am gonna have

829
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: to call the cops on my own drummer. Please, Caleb,

830
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: don't make me do this. Don't make me live out

831
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: a terribly embarrassing moment in a relatively small town where

832
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: we call dispatch and they come to Museum Club. They're

833
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: gonna know who the band was that played there. They're

834
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: gonna know me. Yeah, Please don't make me do this.

835
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: It was a huge town, a lot going on. Yeah,

836
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: please don't make me call cops. Please, don't make me

837
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: do this. But you're but you're only leaving me one

838
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: choice if you don't back down. You stood there with

839
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: your foot in the door, stared me right in the

840
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: eye and said, I'm willing to accept that consequence. Yeah.

841
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: Wish I hadn't been so so persistent. Yeah, that's a

842
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: that's the thing. That's an are stating it. You put

843
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: your persistency when you're high at or khalib Yeah yeah,

844
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: hide he and khalib he he just he doesn't give up.

845
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: I'll get that to although I wish he would, you know,

846
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: like would have like found a really hard crossword puzzle

847
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: knitting pattern, like, don't give up, hide, work on that puzzle,

848
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: but you can get it. You'll finish that sweater. But no,

849
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: it was always destructive, so stuff. So as if I

850
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: was living in some old Western movie. I decided to

851
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: count the ten count down from ten. Yeah, with my

852
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: phone in my hand, nine to one one dialed, I start.

853
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: I begin a slow countdown from ten, because if that's

854
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: going to change your mind, yeah it was. It was

855
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: a bizarre, bizarre, drunk, crazy New Year's Eve countdown hotel's doorway.

856
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: So start at ten. You don't budge, you're just staring me,

857
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: just staring me down. Just glass, were just staying right

858
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: through me. Nine eight seven. You're just not budgeting. Your

859
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: foot's in the door. You have to get your gun.

860
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: Nine one one dispatch And it's like, good the evening.

861
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: It's about four o'clock in the morning. How are you

862
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: I need an officer to come to the so and

863
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: so hotel outside of the Museum Club. One of my

864
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: employees has had too much to drink. Correct me if

865
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, I don't remember. One of my employees has

866
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: had too much to drink, and he is wanting to

867
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 1: put himself in a dangerous situation with threatening us. Does

868
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: he have a weapon that's the problem. No, he has

869
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: a knife, he's not using it, but he's wanting to

870
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: get his handgun. Where's the handgun? It's locked away and

871
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: I have the key that's trying to get it. So

872
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: I basically explained the situation. Okay, officers are on the way,

873
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: and they kept asking me like is he in possessed

874
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: where's the knife right now, like to his pocket? And

875
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: he's non possession of any other weapons, which is you know,

876
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: legitimate questions they're putting officers at risk sending them at

877
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning. Yeah, they don't know what

878
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: they're running into. So they arrive the it commences the

879
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: most embarrassing you know sequence. So thus far, I've had

880
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: more since then, more embarrassing moments, like getting naked on

881
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: the table after breaking two ribs in the hospital in

882
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: New Jersey. That was terrible. You Khalib switches off as

883
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: soon as the red, red, and blue lights arrive. Khalib,

884
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: as it turns out, is a big fan of law enforcement.

885
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: He's a he's a staunch supporter of law enforcement and

886
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: the military, and he typically calms down when he's talking

887
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: to law enforcement. I don't know what. He's got a

888
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: lot of bad qualities, all right, to the bitter end,

889
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: Khalib is a law enforcement supporter. Yeah, uh true American

890
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: Patriot thanked him. Talk to him about that. Yeah, they

891
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: were super cool. They were really nice. Well, but when

892
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: they showed up, Yeah, like you said, Kalib, all of

893
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: a sudden turns and it's just talking to them. You

894
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: met them in the parking lot. Yeah, they're like, where's

895
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: where you know, where's the guy we're dealing You're like, oh,

896
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: that's me. Yeah, Yeah. They're like, all right, we're looking

897
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: for that's me and they're like you and I'm like yeah,

898
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: and they're like all right, let's uh and they're kind

899
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: of looking me over. They were super cool. Uh. So

900
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: one one comes up to me, is like typically what

901
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: they do, Like if two cars came and one branches

902
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: off and goes straight to me and he's like, where's

903
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: the firearm. It's like it's in this trailer over here,

904
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: and he walks over there, it's checks the lock. Okay,

905
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: keep it secure. And you, meanwhile, were talking to the

906
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: other officer. You're telling him the story and it basically

907
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: comes It actually solved the entire problem because you weren't

908
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: you weren't intoxicated enough to be taken in, and you

909
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: weren't causing a disturbance currently. You were just threatening to yeah,

910
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: and they were you know, I wasn't going to I

911
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: wasn't going to get my gun and shoot anybody. I

912
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: was going to get my gun, which was just in

913
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: a drunk DDE doing that and wanting to go climb

914
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: a mountain. It's just a bad idea. Yeah, I believe

915
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: that is just a horrible idea. You're right, you want

916
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: to don't know what would happen. Yeah, So so just

917
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: the fact that I wanted to do that was a

918
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: bad idea. But you fundamentally, it all boiled down to

919
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: you have a Second Amendment right to carry, and no

920
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: one was going to take that right away from you.

921
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: That's pretty much what the entire thing boiled down to.

922
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't about I'm gonna go hurt somebody or I'm

923
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: gonna kill myself or anyone else or shoot anything, or

924
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: you just wanted to have it on you because I

925
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: wasn't letting you. Yeah, and that was a problem to you. Yeah,

926
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: that was it. Like I said, you know, you get

927
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: a really really intoxicated person with one tunnel vision goal

928
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: in their mind, and it just that had to happen

929
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: for some reason, or that was my goal at least.

930
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: So they basically told you and me go to sleep,

931
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: and you listened to them, Yes, well kind of sort

932
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: of sort of. You listened to him in terms of

933
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: leave the gun alone. So then you went to bed

934
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: and we went to bed, and then you got back up, yes,

935
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: and went to the mountain. Yes, I did, And I

936
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: didn't get all the way up to the mountain, so

937
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: I went towards the mountain. I stopped in the middle

938
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: of that big like common area, that area right there

939
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: in the beginning of like the village area, and just

940
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: screamed and invited whatever was gonna happen. I don't know,

941
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: a fight or whatever. So but by that time, it

942
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: was at like three o'clock in the morning, some random

943
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: dude screaming in the middle of that little park area.

944
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gone down there either. It was just

945
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: a little bizarre. And then I fell asleep up against

946
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: a tree in that little park area right there, only

947
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: for I don't know, it could have been just a

948
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: handful of minutes, and then went back. You made it

949
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: back by role time. I went back to the hotel room.

950
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: I slept like in the closet, I believe, and then

951
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: we got up and rolled. We got up and went

952
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: to the Grand Canyon the next day. You that's when

953
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: you realized you had a broken hand, by the way, Yes,

954
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: I was on time for roll, by the way. Yeah,

955
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: to all you guys who deal with time, Yeah, at

956
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: least I made it to that. You're on time for

957
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: the role. You realize when you became sober you had

958
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: broken hand. Yeah, And we went, of all places to

959
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon. It was all of our first time.

960
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: That goes at your first time, so all of us

961
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: it was our first time to go, and it was incredible.

962
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: Side note, if you haven't been to the Grand Canyon

963
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: and you're wanting to travel internationally, save that first and

964
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: go to the Grand Canyon because it's incredible. It's like

965
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: a worldwide spectacle. You can't explain it. Pictures don't do

966
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: it justice. You have to see that chasm, the depth

967
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: of that. You have to see it with your own eyes,

968
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: which is very ironic to go to a place like

969
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: that and experience the wonder of the earth, of the

970
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: planet and the depth of the planet and the space

971
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: while you're dealing with what then become small problems amongst

972
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: a couple friends. Yeah, and we wrote. We walked through

973
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: the canyon, didn't say a word, no, started off walking

974
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: together ish and then very quickly I was alone. But

975
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have hung out with me either. I would

976
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: So I'm walking up and down the Grand Canyon out

977
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: of brass because I'm hungover, uh and and just just

978
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: tired and nauseous, and my hand's broken. So I stopped.

979
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: There was snow there at that time, I stopped and

980
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: I'd stick my hand in the snow and just sit there,

981
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: and people were like walking by, They're probably like, what

982
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: in the world is this guy doing, reeks about still

983
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: he's just sitting on this rock with his hand in

984
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: the snow, and uh. Yeah, I went down as far

985
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: as I as far as I could, and then uh

986
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: and then walked back up there. It's such as a

987
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,479
Speaker 1: bizarre I don't count that as my my Grand Canyon trip.

988
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: I always tell I was told we should go see

989
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon and then you know, they'd be that'd

990
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: be cool to go see that together. And I don't

991
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: count that trip as a Grand Canyon trip for me

992
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: because hide went, I didn't really go, and my hand

993
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: was broken, so it wasn't like a really good experience. Yeah,

994
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: I remember, were just walking and we were alone. We

995
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: weren't with you because we separated just naturally. But we

996
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: weren't really talking either. No, like me and the other

997
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: guys weren't talking either because everyone was A we didn't

998
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: get much sleep, and B we were tired from walking

999
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: and cold. It was really really cold that day in

1000
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon. Yes, in the in the teens, I

1001
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: believe or lower and and we just had a lot

1002
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: on her mind. You know, it was a lot to

1003
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: take in. It was a lot to think, well, how

1004
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: do we move forward as a band? Like are we

1005
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: ever going to be the same? And a gig again,

1006
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: like is Caleb gone? Is he quitting? Should we fire?

1007
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: Is he gonna? Is this? Is this even smart in

1008
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: any level to continue on? So there's a lot of

1009
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: stuff kind of rolling around in our brains and as if,

1010
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: as in so many other times in music with me,

1011
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: what ultimately healed that was the first show back? Yeah,

1012
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: because then you reunite in making music together as a group,

1013
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: and each person does his part collectively for the song,

1014
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: and without your part, there is no song. Without any

1015
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: of the five parts, there's no song. So we come

1016
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: together collectively and contribute our piece to the music, and

1017
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: that naturally heals the damage that was done that night

1018
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: in Flagstaff. Yeah, you get to write, to work back together,

1019
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: and especially creatively are basically you're you're doing something creating

1020
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: with another person. And uh, that was always kind of therapeutic,

1021
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: at least for me. You guys had to play with me,

1022
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: so you know what I mean, Like at least for

1023
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: those shows. It was like we had to at least

1024
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: get along on stage. So, but you guys are always

1025
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: so more than gracious, enough, more than more than I

1026
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: probably would have been, And it was it was nice

1027
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: to to get back to that any any any kind

1028
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: of normalcy. So playing on stage was good, even if

1029
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: my hand was broke and I could barely hold that

1030
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: drumstick so kind of did a tape job to hold

1031
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: it on there. It was nice to be back with

1032
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: you guys. You know, like I said, you guys were

1033
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: never really you guys never like shunned me or anything

1034
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: like that, which was which was really cool. It was

1035
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: just how could you guys at that time, How could

1036
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: any of you guys understand you know at that time? Yeah,

1037
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: what what was causing me to be so uh so crazy?

1038
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: What was your what's your dad say? Because we went

1039
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: to the next day after Grand Canyon, we went to

1040
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: Colorado Spring to play that show. What did your dad

1041
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: say when he saw you? Uh, he asked about my hand. Yeah,

1042
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: he was like. I called him right after, right after

1043
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: the next day and told him and that's when he

1044
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: was like, you're you're going to play these shows? And

1045
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: I was going to play him anyways, but he definitely

1046
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: made sure that I knew that I was going to

1047
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: play the shows. And then when I saw him, you know,

1048
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: he asked about my hand, and uh, you know, he's

1049
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: he he always he calls me Cabe so and uh,

1050
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: you know that you call me Cape and he's like Cape,

1051
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: I just what are you doing? You know, and this

1052
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: isn't the way, and and uh, you got to stop

1053
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: doing stuff like this, and so yeah, it was really

1054
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: it's really unfortunate because they they got to see Hide

1055
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: too on a couple of different occasions, which hurts because

1056
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: it's it's your family and not only they understand, you know,

1057
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: they knew understood the loss of Levi and Noah. So

1058
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. You're you're terrible to whoever

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01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: you're around when you're when you're like that, unfortunately. And

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01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: that's one of the main things that I want to

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01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: tell people who are going through grief or or or

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01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: whatever you're going through in your life where you're not yourself,

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01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: is that you might not be able to make it

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01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: better immediately right now, but one of the best things

1065
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: you can do for yourself is to not make it worse,

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01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: Like I made it worse. I didn't have to make

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01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: it worse. My life could have kept going in a

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01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: direction and slowly climbing up the hill. But so many

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01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 1: times I'd get up a little bit, and then I

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01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: would make it worse. Jordan Peterson's says that no matter

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01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: how dark of a hole, no matter how the depths

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01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 1: of hell that you have created for yourself, no matter

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01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: where that is, it always could get deeper. And humans

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01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: have a great way of finding a way to get

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01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: deeper in the hole they've already made. Yeah, it's one

1076
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:23,479
Speaker 1: hundred percent correct, and that if you would just wait.

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01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: It's hard to do that at the time, obviously, but

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01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: if you would just wait, things would get better. Or

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01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: like when I tell people about grief, I go, it

1080
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: doesn't get better, it gets different, And sometimes different is

1081
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: the answer to prayer to what you're dealing with at

1082
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: that time. Just wait, don't make it any worse. That's

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01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: one of my main goals in life. When I talk

1084
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: to people dealing with stuff, it's just that that's my

1085
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: That's why I tell them, don't make it any worse.

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01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: You know, you know, the only thing, the only thing

1087
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: after river that I could tell you at that time

1088
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: was I don't know how to make I don't know

1089
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: what to tell you what to do, but I obviously

1090
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: showed you what doesn't work, you know, And that was

1091
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: that was the only thing I could tell you. And

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01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: I'll never pretend to understand what that loss was like,

1093
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: but that was the only thing that I could say.

1094
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: But I remember that you saw. I don't know. I

1095
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: never knew what to tell you how to go forward

1096
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: or to do this, but you know, unfortunately I showed you.

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01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: I remember what. I remember that conversation. What's crazy about

1098
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: your story? What the flag Staff story? And people there's

1099
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people that probably understand it. There's a

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01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: lot more people they're probably thinking, wow, that's that had

1101
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: to have been the worst thing that happened between those two,

1102
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: But it wasn't because something else happened later that ended

1103
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 1: up ending your drumming time with me. It was technically

1104
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: worse than flag Staff and that ended our relationship, me

1105
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: being singer and you being drummer. It's spun off into

1106
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: where you are now. I don't want to get into

1107
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: that now because I think we should do another podcast

1108
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: about that, and if you guys want to hear how

1109
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: Caleb and I got to hear comment below if you're

1110
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: watching on YouTube. But believe it or not, we were

1111
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: temporarily healed in Colorado Springs after Flagstaff, and we did

1112
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: get better and we played a lot more shows, and

1113
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: we traveled a lot more. Yeah, and then it got

1114
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,600
Speaker 1: worse again in a different way, and it ended up

1115
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: being the destruction of us on the stage. And then

1116
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: the introduction of Dusty Saxon, who's my current drummer, who

1117
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: introduced me to you this first. Yeah, Dusty introduced me

1118
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: to Caleb, and then Caleb replaced Dusty when things got

1119
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 1: worse again. And that's a whole different story and a

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01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: really good one, and a whole different podcast and a

1121
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: whole different form of grief for you. And I want

1122
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: to also say that through all this, I've trusted you

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01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 1: with me, me and my life, and I've trusted you

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01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: with my family because you and your wife now have

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01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: been I have spent much a lot of time with

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01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 1: my family, and I trust you as as my own brother.

1127
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: And people are probably just scratching their heads right now,

1128
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: going how did the worst relationship? Yeah, I don't, I don't.

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01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that is probably funny. To

1130
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: some people, it's like, what does there's no there's no

1131
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 1: explaining explaining, you know, because you don't get anything from

1132
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: me other than our our friendship. Like I can't do

1133
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 1: a lot for you. No, you're a great warehouse manager.

1134
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: Well you're really good at it. Wow, thank you. I

1135
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: have an affinity for corrugated paper. If you guys want

1136
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: to hear more from Caleb, comment blows say we want

1137
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: more Caleb, and we'll do another podcast and explo plane that. Uh,

1138
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: there's more. There's not the rest of the story because

1139
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: there's more and then there's more layers and it's fascinating.

1140
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: But thank you, dude for being the onion of a man.

1141
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: I think you've got management to do in the warehouse.

1142
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: So working, Yeah, yeah, you're working all right. See you guys,

1143
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 1: love you. Mm hmmm