WEBVTT - Draft Show: Now It's Crunch Time 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:08.920 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.719 room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep within 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:16.239 the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:22.919 Dallas Cowboys like Dde Lamb and now your hosts Brian 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:31.520 brought us, David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, and Kyle Yeomans just 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:36.480 sixty five days to the NFL Draft on April twenty ninth, 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:40.040 twenty twenty one. As we are just around the corner 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:44.199 from what would have been Combine Week in the NFL, 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:45.680 but we are going to talk through it here on 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.360 the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Kyle Yeomans, Bucky Brooks, 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.120 David Helman will be soon to be joined by Brian 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.320 brought us coming up here in the next couple of moments. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.480 But guys, sixty five days, it's the Draft Show presented 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:00.560 by Miller Lite. That's always been in the case, But 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.720 I mean, it's now crunch time for these scouting departments. 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.600 We're getting into the nitty gritty, Bucky, because hey, there's 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:09.680 a lot of evaluations still to go for a lot 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.520 of these prospects. The lists have been made, now it's 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:15.200 really time to fill them out. A little bit. Yeah, 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:16.959 the list have been made, but I mean there's so 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.479 many guys to talk about and discuss, and what you're 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:21.440 trying to do is you're trying to get all the 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.200 information right, You're trying to get all the background information. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.000 You're trying to get any too physical stuff that you 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.399 can get on them, and you're trying to make sure 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:30.839 that the profile is complete so you can stack these guys, 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.679 you can separate the top guys from the guys that 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:35.119 are right in the middle of the pack and beyond. 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.640 And so it is a huge challenge. It's a lot 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.560 of weight to bear if your front office, particularly because 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:41.840 you don't have to combine and some of the other 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:45.200 things that you used to having. Dave, how much of 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.480 a challenge is this going to be for the Cowboys 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.080 front office specifically, because I mean, whenever you look at 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.800 in the past, the combine has certainly played a big 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:54.640 factor of the Senior Bowl as well. I mean we've 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.000 talked plenty about the Senior Bowl and how there's probably 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.280 gonna be some guys from that group that are going 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.400 to be in Dallas. But Will would playing his staff, 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.240 I mean, they have a tough task ahead of them. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.400 Of trying to figure out how to evaluate these college prospects. 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.800 And we've talked about opt outs and all sorts of 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:12.119 different wrenches and curveballs that have been thrown into this thing, 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.760 but it continues to be crazy. I'm really I'm really 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:20.040 sad right now now, Kyle, because as we sit here, 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.640 you know, I know not everybody listens live, but we 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.840 are recording this at ten am Dallas time on Tuesday, 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.520 And if it was a normal year, we would be 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.920 in a cab right now on our way to downtown Indianapolis. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:38.000 Because Tuesday is kind of the unofficial start of the 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:42.360 Combine Week. We would probably be heading right to the JW. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.959 Marriott to go try to talk to Stephen Jones, which 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.960 is always kind of the start of Combine Week. And 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.799 it just bums me out because you know, I always 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:54.560 talk about the draft process as like it's like a 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.280 roadmap or if you play video games, you know how 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.840 you kind of like uncover the map as you go along, 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.880 and you just you don't have a lot of that 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.120 stuff that helps you do that. Like when you go 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.639 to the combine obviously you have the workouts and the measurements, 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.920 and we always say you don't want to fall in 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:12.960 love with that too much. But at the same time, 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.040 it helps you differentiate between these players, you know, whether 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.919 that's arm length or forty time or the three cone time, 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.680 helping you figure out, you know, who's got the burst 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.040 to get around the corner, that type of stuff. And 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.480 then also this is where you start hearing about team 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.960 zeroing in on guys, whether that's because they take the 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.160 time to sit down with them on an official interview 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:36.960 or you kind of say, oh, wait, well, you know, 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.640 the Cowboys only have sixty interviews and they're talking to 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:43.920 ten quarterbacks. That's that's something you know, and we just 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.680 don't have that this year, which means you have to 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.120 cast that much wider of a net. You know, you 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.800 have to you have to consider more guys than you 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.320 would probably need to in a normal year, honestly, and 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:01.200 it's it's just kind of frustrating. Is it more frustrating, 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.280 Bucky from a media standpoint this year than it normally 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.920 has been? Because I know, especially you guys at the 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.760 NFL network, you get unprecedented access, and sure every media 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.040 member has some level of access, but is it more 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.800 frustrating to try and put that piece together also with 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:18.880 kind of the networking that goes on. I know I 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.080 was looking forward to going back a second year because 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.320 of some of the connections we made last year at 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:25.039 the draft that kind of gave you some of that 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.600 information and you get to see these prospects with your 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.359 own eyes and ask these questions. But how frustrating is 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.720 it not only from a media perspective, but just an 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.240 overall general standpoint. Well, I mean, I think it's frustrating 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.919 on a bunch of different levels. I think this the 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.159 combine is really the NFL convention. It is the one 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.200 time that everyone is in the same city, in the 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:48.839 same location. Coaches, scouts, media members, everyone is there, and 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:50.600 so it's the one time that you can catch up 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.880 with everybody on all things related to football, whether it's 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.440 college or the NFL. And so, yeah, I am frustrated 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.720 that you do miss out on some of those conversations 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.800 and the conversations that would take place in front of 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:05.360 the mic, but those conversations that you would have at restaurants, 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.039 in those things when you catch people with their hair 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.920 down a little bit, and so I think missing that 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.360 part of it, not being able to kind of follow 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.800 some of the bread crumbs that would be dropped along 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.560 the way. That makes it challenging because people would kind 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.200 of give you indicators on who they liked and what 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.600 they liked and how the league is trending. We won't 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.680 get any of that, and you can't get that information 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.840 from tax and sometimes phone calls, which and just to 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.839 kind of go off that point, you know, And obviously 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.400 we love you know, we love to say investigate and educate, 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:40.440 and that's absolutely what we'll keep doing. But my whole 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.200 thing is like as a as a Cowboys reporter who 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.560 also reports on the draft, I care a lot less 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.120 how I feel about guys and a lot more how 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.760 the Cowboys front office feels about guys. Like, you know, 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.040 who cares at the end of the day, if I 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.880 like Caleb Barley more than Patrick's or Tan, you know, 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.440 because if the Cowboys they well, thank you, Kyle, But 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.599 the Cowboys don't. I've learned that over the last eight 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.120 years is that they definitely they definitely don't care what 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.599 I think. So I'd much rather get a better idea 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.240 of what they think. And Bucky's absolutely right, you know, 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:17.080 showing up at showing up at Saint Elmo's or Kilroy's 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.440 at eleven o'clock at night and talking to people after 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:21.560 they've had a couple of beers. It's a great way 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.800 to get an idea about what they're thinking, or who 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.440 they like or who they don't like. I can't tell 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:31.200 you the number of times, and to be fair, scouts 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.560 in front office people love to know more than you, 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.640 and they do most of the time, but like they're 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.680 not going to give you the satisfaction of thinking that 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.800 you had a good idea very often. I can't tell 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:43.799 you how many times I've gone out at the Combine 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.000 and somebody's like, oh, yeah, you media types, I don't 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.200 know why you're still talking about that guy, like or 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.239 I don't know, I don't know why y'all are also 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:52.960 in love with that guy, you know? Like that is 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.440 that's like a rite of passage every year at the 0:06:55.440 --> 0:07:00.080 Combine is finding out that all your favorite players can't play. 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.720 So yeah, I mean, it's it's valuable information that you 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:08.120 get when you're hot nomen around Indie and Bucky's absolutely right, 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.440 like you can text and call people all you want, 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.720 but it's it's not quite the same and it definitely 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:18.600 hampers the process. Bucky have you ever scouted shamed the 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.240 media member in your day, back in the day before 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.800 you were a medium. No, no, no, no, I don't 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:25.640 think so. I think I think it's interesting. I think 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.120 the conversation's interesting, particularly if you had a couple of 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.560 adult beverages and people are really having no about what 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:37.480 I call unfiltered, unfiltered conversations. I think it's good, but 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.720 I think it's also good like being on the scout 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.840 part of it. This is the first time that you've 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:44.960 been around a bunch of guys, and a lot of 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.280 times at the comment while we were watching workouts, you 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.360 have a group of guys that are just having open 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.800 conversations about players and hey, what do you think about 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:55.600 this dude? And what do you think about that dude? 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.400 And I didn't like that? What have you seen him 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.120 in this game? I watched him play versus this? You 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.320 should go back and check that out. Sometimes you kind 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.400 of need to bounce some ideas and some thoughts of 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.920 others just to either I mean, maybe some of his 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.880 self validation, but just confirmed like, oh, okay, I'm not crazy. 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.080 I'm not the only one who may have a big 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.640 grade on this guy, or maybe I do need to 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.080 think about it this way. Not this necessarily changes you, 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.880 but you want to be challenged a little bit to 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.160 make sure that you end up getting your right based 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.920 on your own opinion at the end of the day. Now, 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.560 from a complete standpoint, and we've talked about this previously 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:36.920 with kind of a Senior Bowl and other evaluation process events, 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.920 but whenever it comes to guys touching the tags, and 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.080 we're going to spend a lot of time today kind 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.120 of split up by Twitter on the twenty of talking 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:49.000 about guys touching tags. But how much of an impact 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.160 does the combine play on some of those guys that 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.080 are so close on your chart and your draft board 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.640 to each other that it's kind of tough to decipher 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:01.040 and you need every single piece of information because I mean, 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.960 we've already talked about it and Dave throughout the names earlier. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.080 Kayla Farley, Patrick's ter Tan. I think those are probably 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.600 the two guys that right now, especially in the fans 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:13.880 or the minds of Cowboys fans, are the potential picks 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.000 at ten and a lot of those have their tags touching. 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.160 So what are we missing with Kayla Farley and Patrick's 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.480 r Tan This week? Both corners Virginia tach Alabama respectively, 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.520 that have these tags touching, but have to have a 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.760 little bit of that evaluation process maybe to decipher between 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.640 the two. Well, one thing that to combine and provides 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.560 you as the opportunity to watch them work out back 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.320 to back. Now, depending on where their letters of their 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.200 last name befall, you might have an opportunity to see 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.800 those guys work out literally behind each other, and being 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.960 able to do that one on one compare contrast in 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.160 terms of how they back on, how they break and drive, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.840 who flips the hips, who's more explosive, who jumps higher. 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.280 To take all of that information on top of what 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.120 you've seen on tape, it can help you kind of 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:03.559 separate which camp you're on. And I think we missed 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.240 that because there's one thing to go to Virginia Tech 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.200 and watch Cayla Farley workout, then to go to Alabama 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.480 a couple of days later. It's another thing to watch 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:15.040 it happen in real time. And we can take those 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.160 things or whatever. But there's a feel that you get 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.920 when you see guys go back to back that can 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:23.240 help you kind of cast at deciding vote. We missed 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:24.640 that and so yeah, we can look at the Pro 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:26.880 day numbers. The Pro Day's numbers would be different because 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.680 they're taking a different places measured by different guys. But 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.400 at the combine, the playing field is level, and so 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:36.160 it helps you separate who you really like versus, hey, 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.920 this guy should be below this other guy. Hey, Bucky, 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.400 let me let me sorry, Kyle, let me ask you 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.680 a hypothetical, buck because I already said it, and you 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.079 know people call it the underwear Olympics. You always try 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.679 to guard against falling in love with guys at the combine, 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:55.480 But you think about you know, Cayla Farley, great example, 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:59.360 Micah Parsons, Jamar Chase, what do you think would happen 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.960 if these guys were able to go to the combine 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.000 and light it up the way that you would guess 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.600 that they would do. You think that would weigh more heavily, 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.560 Like maybe maybe it is a good thing that you 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:16.680 don't have this as a as a way of offsetting 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.800 the lack of taper or whatever. I guess is. You know, 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.240 if these guys show up and have an amazing workout, 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.800 do you think it would it would impress people more 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:27.840 than a normal year. I guess That's what I'm trying 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:32.360 to say. It would serve as a reminder. If we 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.440 saw Michael Parsons going light it up, it would remind 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.960 us like, oh, you know what I like this year. 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.360 You know, maybe maybe maybe he's not so bad because 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.240 he said out a year Jamar Chase running round stagging balls. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.079 It's a reminder. It brings you back to the forefront. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.600 And so yeah, it would be a great opportunity Caleb 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.400 Farley because he hasn't played a while, but we've seen 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.240 Patrick stan the second play this year. But if he 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.040 goes out there and he moves around and he looks, 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.480 you're more apt to how to fall back in love 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.840 with him. And so without that, you don't have that ability. 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.840 And sometimes there are guys that do things that really 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.160 amaze you, Like last year Tristan Worf's all the work 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.400 that he was able to do right you see him 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.640 as a right tackle only at Iowa, but then you 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:18.600 see the athleticism and all the traits, and then you 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.520 dig into the background. He was a state champion discus 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.440 thrower and state champion wrestler, and you put all of 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.000 those things together and then you see him play this 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.040 year and he's the starting right tackle for the super 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.880 Bowl champion, and so it can remind you on some 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.960 of these athletic traits that you do know that are essential. 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.640 And even though we kind of ding and dog ay 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:43.080 it's the underwear limpus, it doesn't really matter. In some cases, 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.040 it does because you've seen those games where you see 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.120 the athleticism play out in real time in front of you. 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.360 You want those explosive athletes like it's a beauty paget 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.199 and in the draft, I want the prettiest I want 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.480 the prettiest girl like I wanted so I wanted. I 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:58.800 want him to have it all. I want him to 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.040 be the most talented. I wanted to win the swimsuit edition. 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.520 I want it all. So that's what the combine gives 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.120 you an opportunity to see it. It's a good way 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.720 to put it, Bucky, I like it. And from here 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.800 is where the roadmap really kind of starts to narrow 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:13.880 and you start to kind of get that that certain 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:15.960 idea of who is the prettiest girl at the ball, 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:17.560 you know, Bucky, I mean you got to find a 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:21.320 way to evaluate that process previously. But I want to 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.240 hear a roadmap and a thought process for some of 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.520 these specific guys, and throughout the rest of this segment, 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.600 and in the third segment, we're gonna do some buyer sell. 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.280 I want to talk about guys that we know those 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.360 tags are touching and allow really those at home to 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.200 have that same kind of evaluation process with us, because 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.160 they're going to wait and watch the pro DA's kind 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.200 of like what we are, because right now would have 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.480 all these evaluations, the combine and all sorts of things, 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.120 and then we would go and try and add on 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:49.880 to that with the pro das well. The pro days 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.160 are it and that starts pretty much March fifth, I 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.320 think is really the first real big pro day. I 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.360 know Trevor Lawrence has already done his individual workout that's 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.880 a specific case. But what guys right now that you 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:04.319 guys have looked at might be right there on that 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.360 touching tags. They're right next to each other that you 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.520 really need to see more of in order to try 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:13.800 and make a fair decision. I mean, like, there's so 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.199 many ways to go. I think here's what's interesting, right, 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.440 The more you dig into the wide receiver class, the 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.520 more that you're like, my gosh, you can get a 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.720 wide receiver at any level of the draft. Like they're 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:26.440 guys that we haven't even talked about. We've been doing 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.160 the show for a few months, Like Elijah More from 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.920 O Miss like just running around or whatever, and like 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.040 there's barely been a peep set about him. Amandros st 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:38.160 Brown from USC who is as talented as they come, 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.520 maybe a natural slot receiver that we haven't talked about. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.800 And so as we begin to kind of break this out, 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.280 there's so many prospects to discuss that are kind of 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.720 under the radar. Then when we get to draft weekend, 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.760 we're gonna hear their name called be like, oh yeah, 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:54.880 I liked him, but I forgot to talk about him, 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.320 you know, like those kinds of things, And that's what 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.080 I think we're kind of missing. But the combine his 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.160 debt would enable us to have some of these conversations 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.520 about guys that we just haven't got to because we 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.240 tend to focus on kind of the brand names, the 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.800 big guys, which and to go off that, I mean, 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.800 any any position where there's a bunch of guys that 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.600 I like. I mean, we already talked about Farley in Certan. 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.880 I think that's the most obvious one because I think, 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.440 I mean, that's a true that's a true coin flip 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.240 as far as who could be the pick at number ten? 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:27.240 But how about you know, how about the conversation that 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.320 you have about a linebacker like you know, if if 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:35.800 Jeremiah Usu Coromoa could go to the combine and just 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.120 run a badass forty time, what would that do for 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.400 his draft stock? You know, would would we be more 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.680 willing to talk about him as a candidate at number 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.960 ten if he really put forth to speed and measurables 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.800 to maybe play safety or at least be more of 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.440 a hybrid player. How about you know, to take it 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:57.800 to safety. I'm thinking of Jeff Kavanaugh's guy, or Darius Washington, 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.480 the TCU safety. Jeff would draft him in. Jeff would 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.160 drop him in the first round. I don't know that 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.680 many people that, But again they would trade up to 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.840 five and go again. Well yeah, but imagine if it 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.960 could be as simple, you know, you go to the 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:16.080 combine and do a full list of workouts, you measure in. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.800 If he measures in at five ten, maybe people are 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.800 a lot higher on him than they were. If he 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.400 measures in at five eight and a half, maybe people 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.000 ding him a little bit like that's when you're talking 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.280 about you know, broad broad Us always talks about ice 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.560 cream flavors. It just helps you expand your palette where 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.120 you're like, oh, I really like that guy, but he 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.120 doesn't have the length for me to want to draft 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:42.240 him in the top fifty. Um. Yeah, So it's so 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.320 it's funny you talk about that, Dave so and speaking specifically, 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.120 what about the pass rush, right, because there's kind of 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:52.800 this uncertainty about all of these guys. Is it Gregory Rousseau, 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:57.240 Quitty pay Um, so many guys that you want to 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.760 talk about that you want to see that you you 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:01.680 what I mean? I kind of like him, but I 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.080 don't know if the twitsch really translates it. Can he 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.399 really get out to the quarterback? How tall is he? 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.560 Does he have long arms? Is he more of a 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:10.159 three or four guy that we want to stand up 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.080 and play in space? Or oh no, this is a 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.200 guy he only can have his hand in the dirt. 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.960 Those things we won't necessarily get a chance to see. 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.439 As you begin to watch him back to back to 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.360 back to back to back with some of their competitors 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.240 at the position, it just sucks because and these guys 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.679 will have protas, but it's not quite the same for me. 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:31.280 Guys Brian and Bucky can tell you guys typically tend 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.880 to do better on their home field. But I talk 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.000 about this all the time, right, Like, I'm obsessed with 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:42.120 finding value in the second round. I'm like, Okay, make 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.720 the smartest pick possible at ten, but let's find some 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.640 real value in the second round. A guy that I love, 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:54.120 Georgia's Tyson Campbell. We talk we talk about him as 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:58.439 a guy who's got the athleticism to maybe go as 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.800 high as the first round, which maybe I love the 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.920 fact that he can't work out at the combine because 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.720 if he can't run, maybe he slips a little bit. 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.719 Maybe he doesn't have that amazing combine that bumps him 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.520 up into that range. Maybe without that more complete profile. 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:15.400 He's a guy that you could get at forty four. 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.080 So if you don't take Farley or Certain, you can 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:20.360 still get a really quality guy like they did last 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:24.040 year with treyvon Dis. But if he shows up an 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.360 Indie and runs an amazing forty time, that's probably off 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.359 the table. So I'm trying to talk myself into this 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.439 maybe being a good thing that you know, your teams 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.320 just have to trust the tape a little bit more 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.159 than they normally would, which it's kind of scary, but 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.160 if you do your job the right way, it could 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.800 also be really fun. See, I don't know if it's 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.280 necessarily scary, right, I don't know if it's necessarily scary 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.159 that you don't have the workouts to consider, because what 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:52.280 happens is a lot of times you have to remember, 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:53.920 this is the first time the coaches have really had 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.560 real exposure to him, and there's nothing more that a 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.000 coach loves than to take on. Hey, just give me 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:00.879 to him. I'll get him right. Like give me the 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:04.360 big explosive athlete, I'll fix him. I'll get him right. 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.520 He just hasn't been coached the right way. Whereas when 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.720 you've studied the tape, the tape is how you play 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.000 and like typically, like I'm the tape is your DNA, 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.480 like what you more times than not, what you see 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.520 on tape is exactly what the players going to do 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.680 in the league. Like, they don't typically change a whole lot, 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:23.439 and so it's a matter of putting them in the 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.000 right situation. So for the teams that rely on the 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.200 tape to teams that just dig into the tape and 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.400 ignore some of the numbers and those things, they're gonna 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:35.000 be finding this process. Those who really love the numbers 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.000 and man, the New York Giants should to do the 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.720 box test and all this other stuff and everything that 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.720