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Get started now sign up. 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: Please use the promo code Colin so they know we 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: sent you. Please use the promo code Colins c O 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: L I N FanDuel Sports Book App. Sign up. This 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: is Prime Cuts the best of the column Coward Podcast. 14 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: This week, Ian O'Connor looked at the unceremonious ending the 15 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: coach K's career and Tiger Master's returning had great stories. 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: United States men's national coach Greg Berhalter discussed the pressure 17 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: on Christian Pulistic and his team's World Cup chances. Longtime 18 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: Boston sportswriter Bob Ryan Post, Tom Brady Boston Celtics. Lots 19 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: of stuff to cover, there first by top takes of 20 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: the week. So reportedly Frank Vogel, a good guy who's 21 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: won a title, is out of a job with the 22 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: Lakers at the conclusion of the season. Listen, this is 23 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: an unwinnable task when I can identify by the third 24 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: game of the season your primary weaknesses. No elite three 25 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: point shooters, two old of a roster to defend the 26 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: three and old expensive rosters mean more injuries and longer 27 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: to heal. If I can identify that three games in, 28 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: Frank Vogel has no shot here. Let's be totally honest. 29 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: What the Lakers are asking the next coach to do, 30 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: it would be asking an accountant to fix the books 31 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: at Enron. There is no easy out once Russell Westbrook, 32 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: whoever okayed the deal, no easy answer for the next coach. 33 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: Now we know one or two things. Vogel is going 34 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: to be out, and so is Westbrook. But you could 35 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: put Erik Spoelstra in this. You could put Ty Low 36 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: in this, or Greg Popovitch. There's real limitations here. Coaches, 37 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: as you know, have no leverage and virtually no say 38 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: in this league. I watched for years in Indiana as 39 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: Frank Vogel took Roy Hibbert and Paul George and gave 40 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: Chris Bosh, Lebron James, Ray, Allen d Wade, coached by 41 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: Eric spoelstra fits in the Eastern Conference playoffs, watched Frank 42 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: Vogel go into the bubble, the only time in league 43 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: history that young teams flourished in the playoffs and old 44 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: teams eroded win a championship with old Lebron and frail 45 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, don't tell me Frank Vogel can't coach. It's 46 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: interesting what's happening in sports. Kevin Durant had ultimate leverage 47 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: and power, and look at what he's created in Brooklyn. 48 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: Since the day he and Kyrie arrived with the nets, 49 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: they have won fifty four percent of their games. That's 50 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: thirteenth best in the league. Aaron Rodgers ultimate power in 51 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: Green Bay. They now have the worst receiving corps in 52 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: the league. And Lebron James as much power as any 53 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: NBA star, and he and his camp wanted Westbrook. Now 54 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to leave LA, his family doesn't want 55 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: to leave LA. And there is no short quick fix 56 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: to this mess of an aged roster. Be very careful 57 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: about demanding power because people with it generally use it, 58 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: much to their downfall. Listen, same shit, different day. You've 59 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: heard about that. You've heard that saying before, same shit, 60 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: different day. This is same shit, different coach. There's no 61 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: fix here. The NBA forces you to make trades with 62 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: virtually equal salaries. You're just taken on bad contracts the 63 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: minute you get rid of Westbrook. And so you know, 64 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: I've told people there was an old comedian named Jackie 65 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: Gleeson and at one point he was as powerful as 66 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: anybody on television, like Johnny Carson in the eighties. Powerful, 67 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: and Jackie Gleeson used to say, if you've got power, 68 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: you don't really need to use it. People, get out 69 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: of your way. Kevin Durant had power. Aaron Rodgers had power. 70 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: Lebron had power. Think about this. Lebron and Kevin Durant 71 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: probably missed the playoffs on any given night, the two 72 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: best players in the league. Jannis let's his front office 73 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: and his coaches and the culture do their thing. He 74 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: comes to play every night as a great teammate. He 75 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: has the best team in the league. Set it before. 76 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: Give people power. They're going to use it and often 77 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: to their own peril. It apparently made a few people 78 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: upset when I suggested the reason the Rams have so 79 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: many high priced stars and other teams can't afford them 80 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: is the Rams have smarter people running their organization. Let 81 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: me give you an example, the Chicago Bears. My sources 82 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: have told me for years that upstairs the Bears don't 83 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: know what they're doing. So the Bears don't pay their 84 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: quarterback justin Fields. They don't pay Mooney, their best young receiver. 85 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: They don't have a top five highest paid offensive lineman. 86 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: Yet they had to let go of Alan Robinson, Kyle Fuller, 87 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: and Khalil Mack in the last couple of years. Who 88 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: are they paying? The Rams have top of the market 89 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald, Matt Stafford, Bobby Wagner, and they're 90 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: still still trying to make deals. They bring in Allen 91 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: Robinson despite that, who will now be one of the 92 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: higher paid number two receivers in the NFL. Guys don't 93 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: like to hear this. So much about guys is respect 94 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: and their professional success. Five percent of guys are smarter. 95 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: Elon Musk is smarter than anybody in his industry. Steve 96 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: Jobs was read Hastings at Netflix. I know it drives 97 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: people crazy. The Rams have a smarter owner, a smarter GM, 98 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: a smarter coach than virtually everybody in the league. You 99 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: start looking at the Giants and the Chicago Bears. They're 100 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: not paying their quarterbacks and they're not in on any 101 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: top free agent signings. Think about the Bears. They had 102 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: to let their best receiver, their best pass rusher, and 103 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: their best corner going the last two years. Who in 104 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: the hell are they paying. It's all jammed up in 105 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: their front seven. Defensively in a league where increasingly linebackers 106 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: are a limited leverage unit. I mean the Rams and 107 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: Bengals get to the Super Bowl, both the weakest parts 108 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: of their teams were linebacking corps and in the Bengals case, 109 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 1: o line and linebacking corps. I know it drives people nuts, 110 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: but the NFL has very few elite front offices and 111 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and oh lines and owners and gms. The Rams 112 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: have hit the trifecta coach, GM owner, all top two 113 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: percent use the Bears as an example of the gap 114 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: between how each franchise can manipulate the salary cap. It's 115 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: got a hard floor. It's a hard cap. Look at 116 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: how the Rams manipulated and how the Bears are overwhelmed 117 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: by it. So one of the last free agent moves 118 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: of note, talented wide receiver Davanta Parker from Miami was 119 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: traded to the New England Patriots. The Patriots receiving corps 120 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: gets a little bit of a jolt, but it's still 121 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers, Nelson Aguilar, Davante Parker. You know, it's not 122 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: exactly the Chiefs. What I find fascinating about New England is, 123 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: for years and years we thought Bill was sort of 124 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: ahead of the curve on virtually everything. Now we know 125 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: now post Brady divorce, even he can't win at the 126 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: highest levels without a great quarterback. But I swear to God, 127 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: if I didn't know better, I'd think he was tanking 128 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: it and giving Robert Craft his franchise back with no coordinators, 129 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: no skill people, and no elite edge rushers. Look at 130 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: their roster. They can't stop the Buffalo Bills with J. C. 131 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: Jackson he's gone. They can't score and keep up with 132 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: teams like the Chiefs or the Bills. And they didn't 133 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: resign Shack Mason. I don't know what they're doing. Reports 134 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: now that Belichick will call plays, doesn't it feel like 135 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: he's still pissed about that Jimmy Garoppolo trade and he's 136 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: just going to hand craft a franchise retire. It's going 137 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: to have no coordinators, they'll need a new head coach 138 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: and no playmakers. Now, I know that's not true, but 139 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: on all the be check books, of which Ian O'Connor 140 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: wrote a great one, Jeff Benedict wrote a great one, 141 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: they really fell in love with their system, and what 142 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: you're watching now is a team that simply doesn't match up. 143 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: If you go look at the last two to three 144 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: Super Bowls, quarterback, pass rush weapons, They're not elite in 145 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: any of those groups. I don't understand their offseason now. 146 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: I know they spent a ton last year in free agency. 147 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: I get it, and maybe they believe with their complex system. 148 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: A second year in their system, some of those guys 149 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: that didn't pop will, like Nelson Aguilar. But if somebody 150 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: can explain where their money's going. They're not paying Mac Jones, 151 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: They're not paying big money to any of the receivers. 152 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: They're not paying big money now to any of their 153 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: offensive linemen. They're not paying big money to a corner 154 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: or a safety or an edge rusher. Where's it going. 155 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: Let's bring on a regular contributor to the volume, Sports 156 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: Ian O'Connor, columnist, New York Post. The book is called 157 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: Coach k The Rise and Reign of Mike Shashevski. I 158 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: thought you've been following Mike now for some time. The 159 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: timing of this obviously when you planned to write this book, 160 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: you looked off in the horizon a couple of years 161 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: ago and said, Okay, I'm gonna deep dive on this stuff. 162 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: I thought it was so sad on a golf cart 163 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: with his longtime wife Mickey, having lost a North Carolina 164 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: for the second time in a month, Gotti, and it 165 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: was so anticlimactic. It was just such a thud. So 166 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: I'll start. I'll start with that he could not figure 167 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: out North Carolina's riddle. How disappointed was he immediately after 168 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: the game? Oh? I mean, he was as disappointed as 169 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: you could be. And it was interesting. He said, I 170 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: don't think I've ever heard a coach say this in 171 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: his locker room after the game. The devastation was so 172 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: profound that everyone was crying, and he said that was 173 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: a beautiful sight and I never heard a coach described 174 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: that scene that way and after a devastating defeat, and 175 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: I understood what he meant, and he explained it that 176 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: that was proof that his kids cared so much about 177 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: the effort and the result, and either they're going to 178 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: be tears of great joy or tears of great sadness, 179 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: and unfortunately they were on the wrong end of that, 180 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: but at least there were tears throughout the locker room 181 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: and that told him that. Well, I think he already 182 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: knew about this group, because honestly, Colin five minutes left 183 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: against Michigan State in round two, down five, we all 184 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: thought they were losing. Just watching that team this year 185 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: thirty five times and even talking to some of the 186 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: Duke beat writers, everyone thought they were losing because they 187 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: had not shown that toughness in endgame tense situations. And 188 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: they grew up in real time for him, and I 189 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: think they gave him a gift that game, the Texas 190 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: Tech game, the Arkansas game that as much as last 191 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: night really hurt, and it really hurt, he understood that 192 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: they did give him a gift, and they got him 193 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: to the Final Four for thirteenth time, passing John Wooden. 194 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: He was never obviously going to catch Wooden with ten 195 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: national titles, but that this group got him past John 196 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: Wooden for final four appearances and I think he can't 197 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: really fully repay them for that, and he understood that 198 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: as well. I've got to ask you one Tiger Woods question. 199 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: He's gone from can't walk to may play at the 200 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: Masters over the course of about six months. Your gut 201 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: feeling this morning if we see Tiger this weekend? Oh, 202 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: so he's got to make the cut? I thought you 203 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: will he play? Yes? Yes, and listen. He's got a 204 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: Tuesday press conference schedule at eleven am Eastern, and he 205 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: scheduled today Monday. He practiced Sunday at Augusta and I 206 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: think he'll play nine holes today, maybe eighteen, who knows, 207 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: but probably nine. And absolutely at this point there's no 208 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: way he even last week would have shown up at 209 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: Augusta National to practice if he wasn't planning on playing. Now, 210 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: if he wakes up Thursday morning and all of a sudden, 211 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: out of the blue, his leg is killing him, right, 212 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: then I guess. But no, he's playing. He's playing, and 213 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: now whether or not he'll make the cut, Listen, he's 214 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: never entered a tournament in his life that he didn't 215 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: expect to win. He doesn't expect to win this Masters, 216 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: But I believe deep down he thinks he has a shot, right, 217 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: so he'll never enter a tournament where he feels he 218 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: has no shot. So I think he must believe he's 219 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: got a little bit of a shot to pull this off. 220 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: Ben Hogan, of course did it in sixteen months nearly 221 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: got killed by a greyhound bust. Sixteen months later he 222 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: wins the US Open. Tigers talked about Hogan and that 223 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: comeback is the greatest in the history of golf, maybe 224 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: in the history of sports. This is now thirteen months 225 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: in change. So if he could somehow contend which may 226 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: seem unlikely and which may seem really improbable, win, then 227 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: he out Hogan's Hogan. Now, I mentioned that in a a calm. 228 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: I got a lot of blowback from older fans and said, listen, 229 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: Ben Hogan almost died getting hit by a greyhound bus 230 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: that swerved into his lane. You can't compare that to 231 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: a self inflicted crash or rollover. And we don't know 232 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: all the details really of what where Tiger was and 233 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: was he asleep. So I've gotten that from some older fans, 234 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: and I sort of brushed that aside. To me, Hey, 235 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: the guy came back from nearly having his leg amputated 236 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: in a crash, after a crash thirteen plus months ago. 237 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: If he somehow contends, that's going to be one of 238 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: the greatest golf stories of all time. Listen, his last 239 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: Master's win was. I mean, I've said this, it's one 240 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: of the seminole golf memories of my life. I mean, 241 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: we've all got the Norm and at the Masters, we've 242 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: got Tiger and that Roco mediate playoff. To me at 243 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: the US Open, Tigers win at the Master's last time 244 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: was one of the one of the few times I 245 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: always try to consider myself sort of a judge. You know, 246 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: the fans of the jury, the participants are the DA 247 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: and the prosecuting attorney, and I'm just a judge, right. 248 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: I was so emotional watching that, and so, I mean, 249 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can top it to you 250 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: you remember his last Master's win? What stuck out to you? Oh? Yeah, 251 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: I think I've been doing this thirty six, thirty seven years. 252 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: It's the greatest sporting event I've ever covered, and partly 253 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: because my brother. It was my last trip with my brother. 254 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: I never got a Master's ticket until that's the first 255 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: time we got a Master's ticket. That was the twentieth 256 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: one I covered, and I gave it to my brother, say, 257 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: he had never been to a major before. So we 258 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: go and there we had a point blank look at 259 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: the sixteenth grain at the put that basically see field 260 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: it and we're walking to the seventeenth team and I said, Dan, 261 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,239 Speaker 1: you've never seen a major golf championship. You were now 262 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: watching the greatest masters of all time. And unfortunately, unexpectedly, 263 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: he died months later, so it was our last trip together. 264 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: So I admit that's part of why it's to me 265 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: the greatest courting. But I think even if you took 266 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: that away, and boy I wish I could, that would 267 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: still be number one. It was just remarkable to see 268 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: him win after what he had endured. And again, some 269 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: of it was, if not a lot of it was 270 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: self inflicted. But I choose to look at the art 271 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: and the artist and sort of separate and put it 272 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: in its own category in box and appreciate the greatness. 273 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: And then to see him hug his son afterward, really 274 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: close to that moment after obviously in ninety seven being 275 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: there when Earl hugged him. It was man, It's hard 276 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: to beat that. This baseball season turned Kay's into cash 277 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: and big hits in the big wins. 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So Greg 305 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: Berhalter does not need my support as head coach in 306 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: the US men's national soccer team since twenty eighteen, but 307 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: I often find myself in the crosshairs of the crazies 308 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: on the internet. We have a history in this country 309 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: is when the US wins, the players are amazing, and 310 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: when they lose, the coach is a bomb. And Greg 311 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: has to have seen some of this, and I have 312 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: come to his defense many times and again he doesn't 313 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: need it. But one of the criticisms that I find 314 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: really remarkable is, and I do think you've done a 315 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: remarkable job with this, but you inherited a culture that 316 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: was adrift, a roster that was aging, and I didn't 317 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like, outside of Christian pulistic I didn't 318 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: know what we were. So let's go to this. When 319 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: you first take it over, your first six weeks, what 320 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: was your primary mission, right, just just like you're taking 321 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: over a college basketball or football program, what did you 322 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: identify is a problem that you needed to fix Greg quickly. 323 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: It's a great question, And you know, I spent a 324 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: lot of time before my first meeting with the players 325 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: just doing background and talking to a number of players, 326 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: talking to a number of coaches, and trying to figure 327 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: out exactly what was wrong. Reflecting on my own playing 328 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: dates with the national team and what it came down to, 329 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: it was pretty clear that they just lacked a vision. 330 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: The program lacked something to latch you onto and say, Okay, 331 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, through good and bad, you know, through sacrifice, 332 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: through hard times, you know, we can always just align 333 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: towards achieving this vision and they lack that. So for 334 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: us as a staff, it was creating this vision of 335 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: where we wanted to take the program and then say, okay, guys, 336 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: if we say we want to do this, what is 337 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: it going to take? What are you willing to sacrifice 338 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: to do it? And I think that was impactful. And 339 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: we've been really intentional about, you know, hammering home similar 340 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: messages and you know, creating values and things that we 341 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: stand for as a group, and and that that process 342 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: has been gratifying. And I think that process has helped 343 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: us in qualifying for sure. Like any sport, you need 344 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: your start to buy in. How long for Christian poolsic 345 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: that you felt a buy in? You know? I think 346 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: with Christian, you know, my initial meeting with him, I 347 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: immediately saw a spark in his eye, and there was 348 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: you know, there was acceptance. But like anything m it's 349 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: easier said than done. And I think it did take 350 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: a while, um, just because everyone had a hangover from 351 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and everyone wants to win right away. But 352 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: I knew it was going to take some time before 353 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: this group could really get to where it needed to 354 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: get to because of our age. Because of our inexperience. 355 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: So you know, he's the first Dan to say about 356 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: Christian for being such a big star. He's the most humble, 357 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: down to earth, you know, well meaning person that you 358 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: can come in contact with. So that's a great starting point. 359 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: But like anyone, he wants to be successful. He wants 360 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: to win on the field, and so you know, I 361 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: think that the real change started. I guess in last 362 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: summer when you know when we won the Nation's League, 363 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: that the players believed it was possible. Greg, I feel 364 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: like we're there's four stages, in my opinion, and you 365 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: can slice and dice these up, and but four stages 366 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: in soccer. The first stage was my childhood. Kyle wrote, 367 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: Junior's a star. We don't have elite international players. We're 368 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: welcoming the sport to America. We have some athletes, but 369 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: we don't have high skill. The second stage to me 370 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: is Landon Donovan Clinton Dempsey. It is tough some guys 371 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: getting international opportunities capable of making the World Cup and 372 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: winning a match. I do think we've moved into a 373 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: third stage. Multiple players good enough to play internationally can 374 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: occasionally be very effective internationally. The fourth stages can win 375 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: the World Cup. I don't think we're there. I think, 376 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: as Winston Churchill said, two bad youth has a wayted 377 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: on the young, I think really young. How concerned are 378 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: you about that? Now? You got some pushback because you 379 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: would play some older MLS players, and my takeaway was, 380 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,959 Speaker 1: we're doing that for the obvious reasons. Your skill levels 381 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: really good by US men's historic standards. But we've got 382 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: kids here when I talk about Stage three, as skilled 383 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: as we've ever been. But boy, we lack some World 384 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: Cup experience. Do you? Is that a concern? Not really, 385 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: because we've gone all in in this generation of players, 386 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: and you know, we'll be the youngest team in the 387 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: World Cup and it's going to be about gaining valuable 388 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: experience while trying to compete and while trying to go 389 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: as far as we've ever gone before. And the good 390 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: thing about it is we have guys young players that 391 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: are playing in the Champions League. They know what it's 392 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: like to win, they know what it's like to win 393 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: big games. They have high demands from their clubs to 394 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: win big games. And it's not it's no different with us. 395 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: We're going to be in in a very similar situation. 396 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: So I think that you know this, this this World Cup, 397 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: and I think is going to be a great experience 398 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: for the group. Um, you know, we're going to be 399 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: pushing sometimes. I think if you don't know any better, 400 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: you can go out and do it right, but once 401 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: you realize what it takes, it's harder. Right. So that 402 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: may be in our benefit as well. But um, you 403 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: know it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be exciting for sure. Listen, 404 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: you're in a group with England Iran. This may be 405 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: Iran's best team, a year old playoff winner. Um. The 406 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: English press said it was the easiest group. Kind of 407 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: a shot at you, at your team. How did you 408 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: take that? I think it's typical. Um, you know when 409 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: you when you actually if you look at the FIFA rankings, Um, 410 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: if if Wales makes it as well, we'll have the 411 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: hardest group by FIFA rankings. Um, if you add up 412 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: all the numbers. Right. So, but it's but I can understand, 413 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, the English press are what they are. You know, 414 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: we don't have that respect yet from the English press 415 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: and that's fine, you know, because we're going to have 416 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: to earn that respect and the World Cup is a 417 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: platform to do that, Greg There is a balance of 418 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: having a star player and then being overly reliant on 419 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: a messier Ronaldo. And one of the problems of that 420 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: is your opponents can identify that. I noticed Panama got 421 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: very chippy with Pelisic. You smartly, I mean I literally 422 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: tweeted it, get him out. I think boom, you pulled 423 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: him out. So you saw the same thing. How do 424 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: you create a synergy on the team where you need 425 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,479 Speaker 1: and can rely on Christian in big moments, but are 426 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: not overly dependent on him, Because it's very clear to 427 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: me over the less, since you took this team over, 428 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: he's a target. People are coming after him physically yea. 429 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: And part of that has to do with his skill 430 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: set and how he's most effective. You know, a lot 431 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: of times he likes the ball to feet. He likes 432 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: to dribble with the ball, so by nature you have 433 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: the ball longer, and by nature you can be fouled easier. 434 00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: But with him in particular, it's just us understand and 435 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: tea the team, the coaches and his teammates understanding what 436 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: makes him special and then utilizing him in that way. 437 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: He's very good at arriving in the penalty box. He's 438 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: very good at scoring goals when he does, and that's 439 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: what we need to focus on. And I think and 440 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: then him understanding that he there's no extra pressure on 441 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: him to do more. He just needs to be himself 442 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: because that's good enough for us. And I think once 443 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: he comes to that realization, and then his teammates know 444 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: how to utilize him in the best possible way, he's 445 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna shine for us. All right. Long time 446 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: and now retired Boston Globe sports writer, but he's on 447 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: social media, relevant as ever, opinions as strong as ever, 448 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: somebody I enjoy talking to a couple times of the year, 449 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: and having lived in that area for about ten to 450 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: eleven years, I was not introduced to him, certainly in Connecticut, 451 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: but he saw more of him and I loved it. 452 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: And now I'm back out west and Bob remains in Boston. 453 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: All right, let's start with this. There are those who 454 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: are saying in the Boston media they subscribe to the 455 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: theory that Tom is a little bit of a sellout, 456 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: you know. The new Tom is, you know, a little 457 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: into social media, a little goofy is not paying respect, 458 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: you know to sort of his historic relevance and his 459 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: greater half, which is the New England half. I've argued 460 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: this that he suppressed a lot of his personality in 461 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: New England for the betterment of the organization. And this 462 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: is really who Tom is. Tom's kind of funny. Tom 463 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: is wildly competitive. He just bumped Bruce Arians to a 464 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: job he never wanted, a cubicle upstairs. He's a lot 465 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: more cutthroat than we think, you know, hyper vigilant and willful. 466 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: That's who he is. But Tom also, especially early in 467 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: New England, suppressed it because he realized very quickly, this 468 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: is a great owner, and this is the best coach 469 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: in the history of football, and my defenses are remarkable. Um, 470 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: which is the truth? Is this? The real Tom? Is 471 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: the other guy? The real Tom? What do you make 472 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: of his a transformation in Tampa? Well, it's interesting he 473 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: left the ranks of the normal human being a long 474 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: time ago when he just completely went off the rails 475 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: with this regiment of his and the whole, the whole 476 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: TB twelve thing and claiming that you know, he could 477 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: you could wheel your way away from concussions and you know, 478 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: come on, Tom, let's get you know real here. Uh, 479 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: that that that's surfaced. And but you're right this this, 480 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: some of this other stuff, uh came out after he 481 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: got away from Bill, and now we find um, you know, 482 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: if you read the two books that are out, the 483 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: Dynasty and by Jeff Benedict and the Better to Be 484 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: Feared Book, and Uh, it's pretty evident that he was 485 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: happy to get away from Bill after all these years. 486 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: He had done enough winning with Bill, and he had 487 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: enough of Bill's methodology and he wanted to get away 488 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: from Bill. I think it's pretty evident for that. But 489 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: right he there probably wasn't more of a of a 490 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: I would say, carefree but mirthful personality than he was 491 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: ever allowed to, which shows to display in Boston. So 492 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: I think you're probably on the right track with that. 493 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: You know, Pete Carroll has a lot of power when 494 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: Paul Allen died, and the Seahawk drafts have gotten progressively worse. 495 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: The more power Pete Carroll had, Belichick historically is a 496 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: terrible drafter. The more power he had, especially of skill people. 497 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: Last year he had his best draft in a decade, 498 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: arguably because you know, it was documented that he sort 499 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,959 Speaker 1: of relinquished some of his power. Bill will always be 500 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: as smart as any coach I've ever seen. But the 501 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: league is now, Bob, as you see clearly moving in 502 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: a different direction. The middle of the field is now 503 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: the offenses. You can't hit quarterbacks or wide receivers. The NFC, 504 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: every playoff team had an offensive coach. If you eliminate 505 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: the AFC East that had only defensive coaches, seven of 506 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: eight remaining divisions were won by an offensive coach. Mcvay's, 507 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: Zach Taylor's, the young coaches, Mcvay's tree, they're all working. 508 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: Belichick's defensive tree, many artworking. Is it reasonable to say, 509 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: as brilliant as Bill is that between drafting and the 510 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: cultural changes, Bill is starting I mean he's going to 511 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: be his own coordinator now. Offensively, according to reports, Bill's 512 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: starting not Jurassic but feeling a tad a tad outdated. 513 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: There are cultural changes. Greg Popovich faced this. It's more, 514 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: you know, letting Kawhi go in petty fashion. They've never 515 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: really recovered from that. Do you think it's fair to say, 516 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: I see Bill, and I think not that he's Bobby 517 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: knight Right who refused to embrace the one and done. 518 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: But he feels C J. Jackson or J. C. Jackson, Bill, 519 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: he's arguably your best player, Shack Mason, arguably your best 520 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. He's starting to feel a little outdated, Bob. 521 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: There's a a clear sense of arrogance that has manifested 522 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: itself here that he thinks he can do it the 523 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: way he did it. And he you mentioned that he's 524 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: just lost his offensive coordinator, and and uh, we don't 525 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: know how that's gonna, you know, evolve this year. Uh, 526 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: he's infested. He's professed to have a lot of faith 527 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: and the Matt Patricia to be he's just sure he's 528 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: Nebilla his number one lieutenant now uh and back maybe 529 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: where he belongs, as he certainly wasn't a success as 530 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: a head guy. And you're right, the coaching tree of 531 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: his is pretty undistinguished. I mean, including McDaniel's first foray, 532 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: you know when when he flopped in Denver. Uh. Now, 533 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: there's an arrogance there. And and believe me, people are 534 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: watching this. All these major things happen around the league 535 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: and in the division, and starting in Buffalo, you know 536 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: where now they have the kid, they'll have You'll had 537 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: the guy for twenty very damn or twenty years they 538 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: have the guy. Now think about this, I mean, I 539 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: know you know this, but for people think about this 540 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: a stunning thing. And I wonder if it was anybody 541 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: else but would have it would have gotten any more Buffalo? 542 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: They played Buffalo twice in the end and they never punted. 543 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: They never forced Buffalo off the field, not once, not once, 544 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: not once, and and one hundred and twenty minutes of 545 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: football did they forced Buffalo off the field. I mean 546 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: that that that was chill. It's stunning. Um So, no, 547 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: you're right, there's a there's an arrogance there and and 548 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: uh there. And you know what the famous Lord Acting 549 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: quote is power corrupts, an absolute power corrupts absolutely. So 550 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: if he hangs around long enough, now he's gonna be 551 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: seventy his next birthday. And and that's the decision Bob 552 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: Kraft is what's Who's what's Bob Kraft seeing? What's he thinking? 553 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: Bob Kraft has been able to function for all these years. 554 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: And in Bill, I trust you know very you know, 555 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: let Bill do what he wants. Bill gruns everything the 556 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: way Bill wants to run it. Bye, Bill can be 557 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: an assay after a game, and you know, and that's fine, 558 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: you know, embarrassing organization, and that's fine. You know, we'll 559 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: get the benefit in the end, but maybe the benefit, 560 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, benefits aren't going to be so good from now. 561 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: But I think that I'd love to know it. With 562 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: Bob Kraft, you know how a couples's attention? Is he 563 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: really paying to all this? Well, he said at the 564 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 1: owner meetings that right, yeah, but I'm tired of three years? Yeah, okay, fine, 565 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: but what does that mean? I find So how are 566 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: you going to affect this or affect this not? I 567 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: don't know, right, he did say that, and so clearly 568 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: publicly he says that. But what meanwhile, you know what's 569 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: he's saying behind closed doors? I looked to know Belichick 570 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 1: had said years ago, and this is something I think 571 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: Robert Kraft has to look at. Belichick said years ago, 572 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: maybe six or seven years ago, he was only going 573 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: to acquire draft or trade for players he wanted to coach. 574 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, be very careful, okay, some of the 575 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: great players you may not love coaching. I heard one 576 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: of the reasons that they let J. C. Jackson walk 577 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: is because they didn't think if they franchise tagged him. 578 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: They thought he would be difficult, and I think to myself, Bill, 579 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: sometimes great players are difficult. This is the interesting thing 580 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: with Belichick when he said that they had Brady and 581 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: they were winning. But this is where this is the 582 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: great Popovich connection. Here is that not everybody is going 583 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: to buy into your culture. But sometimes you need a 584 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: great pass rusher and you need a great wide receiver. 585 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: Because and that's where I am a little fearful that Belichick. 586 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: He's got his legacy, he's got his net worth, Bob, 587 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't too much power. He won't let go because 588 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: he loves every aspect of his job. He loves it 589 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 1: all like he's a glory. He'sa his glory calling right now. 590 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: He loves preparing for the draft. He loves it. He 591 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: loves everything about coaching. He loves tas, he likes training camp. 592 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: He likes Sundays, you know, Monday nights. He likes to 593 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: But the only thing he doesn't like you, and even 594 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: this is misunderstood, is the dealing with the media. He 595 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: can manipulated the way he once he gets better and 596 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: better as the week goes on. That's the whole other story. 597 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: You know that the politic that you see on Saturday, 598 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,919 Speaker 1: Sunday after a game or Monday night after a game 599 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: is not the same Belichick you get on Saturday on 600 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: Friday when he's relaxed and has opened a discussion about 601 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,919 Speaker 1: a lot of things. The man loves football. I would 602 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: dare say no coach in the history of the league 603 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: has had more football empirical knowledge stored in this head, 604 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: which includes history, than anybody's. He's the number one football 605 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: person that's ever coach in the NFL in terms of 606 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: empirical knowledge about football. I say he knows more about 607 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: Paul Brown than Mike Brown. Does I mean Not's not 608 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,479 Speaker 1: a not just a joke. You know, that's a fallaway line, 609 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: but that's the pooper point. But the point is he 610 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: loves it all, and he has there's no sign he 611 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 1: loves he loves it any less now as he approaches 612 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: seventy than he did five, ten or fifteen years ago 613 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: when he was winning. So he's gonna be hard to 614 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: let the dislodge. I think your reference is completely accurate. 615 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: But now this is where Bob Quift comes in. Can 616 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: Bob Quift? You know, how's he handled this? You know? 617 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: And that's going to be very very interesting. At the 618 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: Volume Sports Twitter, Instagram, go to our YouTube page at 619 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: the Volume Sports. Subscribe the Volume. 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