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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings,

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Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most

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Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten

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Speaker 1: years of production experience. Twice a week on Reality with

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Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the

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Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable

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Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey,

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Speaker 1: rain drops of today's episode of Reality with the King.

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Speaker 1: I am super stoked. This year is starting off super right.

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Speaker 1: And these two guys are the best, not one of

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Speaker 1: I listen. I think that the two best in the

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Speaker 1: business of podcasting. I adore them. They are super duper successful.

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Speaker 1: They have live shows and listen, everybody knows these guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Being and Ronnie from the uber successful

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Speaker 1: Watch What Happens podcast. Give it up, ladies, Jeltimate days

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Speaker 1: and days for Ben and Ronnie.

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Speaker 2: Great to be back. Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 3: Goodness to talk to you. I know I haven't.

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen each other maybe over a years, so

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Speaker 1: I'm just so happy that you guys have blessed me

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Speaker 1: to be on my podcast. I was a guest on yours.

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Speaker 1: We had a good gay time and this time I

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Speaker 1: want to return the favor. So, you guys have a

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Speaker 1: lot of live shows coming up. So my rain drops

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Speaker 1: are also fans of the two of you. So where

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Speaker 1: can they, like support get tickets? What cities are coming up?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Sweet? Thanks?

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Speaker 4: You can go to watch at Crappins dot com and

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Speaker 4: March we'll be in Cincinnati, Minneapolis, Toronto, Charlotte, Atlanta, DC,

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Speaker 4: and Philly. So find tickets over there, and then other

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Speaker 4: dates for the following months over there.

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Speaker 5: It's a whole bunch more after that. But you know

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Speaker 5: we're not gonna spam you with all the all the cities.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, there's a big list on Watchrocrapins dot com.

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Speaker 2: We're really excited now.

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Speaker 1: So I started to do my podcast live on the

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Speaker 1: road as well.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a lot of work.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of work, and the days you guys

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Speaker 1: have are giving me Cowboy Carter Beyonce at So like,

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Speaker 1: you guys.

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Speaker 3: Are pretty much full for twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Five because people love to see you guys. What can't

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Speaker 1: that expect when they see you guys live?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, we do like a stand like not

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Speaker 5: stand like a classic Watchra crap Ins thing where we

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Speaker 5: go up there, we recap the shows, we go seen

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Speaker 5: by singing, we do our impersonations, but because it's live,

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Speaker 5: we just are able to be like a little bit

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Speaker 5: more physical, and it's like we also feed that audience feedback.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you feel this way, Carlos, but

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Speaker 5: like when the audience is just like there's like electricity

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Speaker 5: in the audience, that usually kind of feeds us in

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Speaker 5: a way that's different from doing the shows like the Stand,

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Speaker 5: like at home shows that I personally really love that

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Speaker 5: I feel like gives everything kind of a sort of crispy,

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Speaker 5: exciting quality to it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like when you watch a sitcom and they

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Speaker 4: have a laugh track, they're funnier, okay, like the old

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Speaker 4: classic They're just funnier that way. I don't know how

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Speaker 4: that works, but I've listened to a couple of years.

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Speaker 4: I love yours, and yours are lit. I mean people

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Speaker 4: are going crazy in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, honey, they're dancing, they're drinking, they're eating, and

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Speaker 1: my rain drops are the type of crowd where they

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Speaker 1: yell out comments because I'll bring on a guest, right,

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Speaker 1: So I had Teresa do. My favorite story is I

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Speaker 1: did a live show in New York City at the

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Speaker 1: City WINERYD with Teresa iconic legend. Yeah, ju guys right

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Speaker 1: are tree huggers and the rain drops?

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Speaker 3: No, Ben and Ronnie in the same room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they yelled at us, not like like, not like negatively.

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Speaker 3: It was more so like at this person, fuck that person.

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Speaker 3: She's she's.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 3: Teresa loved it. She ain't it up.

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Speaker 3: Teresa's like, well, I can't say it, but you guys

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Speaker 3: surely can't. So it was fun. It was fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it is a good one.

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Speaker 2: Well it's fun because you know what.

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Speaker 5: Like we're like everyone, these are all Bravo fans, right,

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Speaker 5: and like we so rarely like these days, people aren't

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Speaker 2: And if you do have an office cooler.

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Speaker 5: One person's watching one show, one person's watching another show.

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Speaker 2: No one's watching the same thing.

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Speaker 5: So these live shows are really kind of a chance

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Speaker 5: for people to come together and kind of really kind

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Speaker 5: of live in these fan moments. And it's like it's

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Speaker 5: really fun. People do they always are like fuck her,

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Speaker 5: you know, and it's it's it's great. We had an

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Speaker 3: Yes, no man, not to cut you off. K is

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Speaker 3: my new obsession.

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Speaker 2: She is great. No.

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Speaker 5: So we did a show in Salt Lake City and

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Speaker 5: the crowd, like, I mean, it was when she came

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Speaker 5: that she lives in your city, right, you could probably

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Speaker 5: just go to a salad and find her. But like

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Speaker 5: they it was just like that is loud. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I think just being around Bravo fans is just a

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Speaker 3: No, they're the best. They're the best of the best.

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Speaker 3: So we have to get into the latest.

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Speaker 1: Episode, part one, the Royal Housewives of Potomac Reunion. I

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Speaker 1: must say, I really enjoy this reunion because the thing

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Speaker 1: about this particular episode, to me, it was funny, and

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Speaker 1: I'm always going to choose funny over anything else too, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean? Do you agree, Ronnie?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Helly, Yeah, if it's funny, I can forgive anything else.

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Speaker 4: I think the season was uneven, and I think they

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Speaker 3: The reunion, and they made up for it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, even without Karen there, they just dragged her

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Speaker 3: Everything the whole thing was about Karen. I cracked up.

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Speaker 1: My mouth was on the floor because let's just get

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Speaker 1: into it. So the episode begins with Karen looking like.

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Speaker 3: She's in the witness protection program.

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Speaker 1: She is at home, full on old navy, do you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? And yes, I'm like, wait, what's

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Speaker 3: You know, she knows there's people who look up to her.

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Speaker 2: You know, do what I say, children look up to her?

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Speaker 3: Carlos, let's get into that. I love Karen.

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Speaker 1: I was fortunate to see Karen maybe a week before

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Speaker 1: the verdict came out. We were in Los Angeles at

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Speaker 1: a party and she wasn't drinking.

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Speaker 3: I want the world to know that she was.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see her drink anything, So I want everyone

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Speaker 1: to know that, for real, she was in a a

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Speaker 1: in a decent mood. But seeing the video, I felt

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Speaker 1: obviously bad for her. Is not a laughing matter. But

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Speaker 1: when she said children look up to me, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I want my child between the

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Speaker 3: But I thought that was odd to say children.

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Speaker 4: Well, Karen, Karen. No children are looking up to you.

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Speaker 4: They are looking away. They're running away from you because

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Speaker 4: your ass is coming after them for their stem cells.

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Speaker 3: No one, no child.

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Speaker 4: In America is looking at Karen and thinking, Wow, what

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Speaker 4: a hero. They're thinking, how how's that lady talking without

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Speaker 5: She's acting like she is on like the posters for

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Speaker 4: We love Karen, but come on, the best part of

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Speaker 4: Karen is her delusion.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm a hero? I hear out of the children.

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Speaker 2: Look to me.

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Speaker 5: Like was there was there like an army of small

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Speaker 5: they're all just clawing at her, trying to trying to

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Speaker 3: I don't miss it.

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Speaker 2: The thing what care? It is?

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Speaker 1: Like I said as I was watching it, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I literally got out of the moment of sadness. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what the fuck are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: Like children?

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Speaker 1: Because what he said my fans, because she has fans

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Speaker 1: and people love the Grand Dams, so that was confusing

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Speaker 1: to me. I want to ask you, guys, this not

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Speaker 3: Oh, she made a point to.

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Speaker 4: Say, listen, I've read enough about it on Reddit to

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Speaker 4: know that I can know whatever is out there. I'm

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Speaker 4: with enough bipolar, crazy ass people. I've dated enough. Listen,

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Speaker 4: I don't care what year it is.

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Speaker 2: Ronnie like Stacy is very educated.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to that too.

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Speaker 3: She's educated in the streets and maybe the sheets.

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, and articulately, for the record, that is not

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Speaker 1: that she does not have a drinking problem.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, she has a problem not drinking.

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Speaker 2: She has a driving problem though.

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Speaker 3: And look, here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: The problem isn't if you have a drinking problem, I

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Speaker 4: don't care. And I feel like we're we love these

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Speaker 4: while you're shit faced, you know what I mean? You

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Speaker 4: have an uber problem?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: But also like notice that, like she you know, she's like,

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Speaker 5: I don't have a drinking problem, and then she says, well,

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Speaker 5: why I took antidepressants while I drank. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 5: so you're being slippery again, which is again why we

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Speaker 5: love her. But like on the one hand she's saying

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Speaker 5: she's taking full accountability, while the other hands saying, like, oh.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't.

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Speaker 5: I don't have a problem. I just happened to take antidepressants.

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Speaker 5: At the same time, it's like I'm not sure about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because the thing is that what we saw the show.

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Speaker 1: I want to say maybe since season two, honestly, there

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Speaker 1: excuse me where the not she has a drinking problem.

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Speaker 1: Sharie Jordan Jackson was on my podcast and she did

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Speaker 1: say that Karen is known as the old.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think rehab is not being used in

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Speaker 4: Explain myself everywhere I go. And so that's the difference,

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Speaker 4: Like when you're ready to say you're an alcoholic and

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Speaker 4: become your thing. It's like if you're in college and

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Speaker 2: You know you're committed to the lifestyle. We all know it.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's alcoholism. If you say you're an alcoholic,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So this way, there's like options for later on now.

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Speaker 5: You know what I always think about was a few

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Speaker 2: Because she was. I just will always remember that footage.

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Speaker 5: She was like her hair was hanging down in her

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh wow, Karen, Karen, like Karen, obviously

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Speaker 1: And then when you're watching the footage that was courtesy

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Speaker 1: But it goes to show you that unfortunately, and Ronnie,

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Karen does live two different worlds.

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Speaker 1: I think when the camera's on, Karen feels the need

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Speaker 4: I want to think Karen, but I think that is Karen.

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Speaker 3: Do it no matter what.

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Speaker 4: And she'll be the same way in prison, you know,

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Speaker 4: how we eat all mush? Come on, now, these people

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Speaker 3: Let's use them with Yeah. I mean, here's some manners people.

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Speaker 5: I generally speaking, I almost always hate when a real

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Speaker 2: And Karen is really an exception to the rule.

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Speaker 5: Like, I don't know if I want to see the

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Speaker 2: I think I want to see grandam version of Karen

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Speaker 5: Like she just says like bullshit after bullshit after bullshit

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Speaker 5: Bring it on because watching her sort of like bend

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Speaker 3: Now listen, she's so fascinating.

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Speaker 1: So when I was at the party with her in December,

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Speaker 1: Ronnie and Ben I say to her, you know, you

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Speaker 1: know I love you. She was like, Carlos, I love

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Speaker 1: you too. I said, listen, when are you going to

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Speaker 3: She was like, bitch never? And I said why not?

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Speaker 1: And she goes, why would I I know all about you?

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Speaker 2: If?

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Speaker 3: It made me love her even more?

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Speaker 1: Like to get dismissed by Karen Huger kind of you know,

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 4: Orse, Yeah, it's amazing. And it also means she listens,

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Speaker 3: Oh no, she knows what's going on. She knows what's

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Speaker 1: So when you saw the Sharon Stone Basic Instinct video

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Speaker 1: but she never looked better like she was, like I

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Speaker 2: It was already starting to kick in.

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Speaker 4: Supporting mom Jean from Old Navy and you know, a

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Speaker 4: she's like, don't worry, it's still me.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 5: That's why it's so important for supporting actresses to win

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Speaker 6: I like to thank Andy Cohen, Andy Cohen, because you

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Speaker 2: There in December.

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Speaker 6: And also Ashley, Ashley, I enjoyed the like that you

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Speaker 3: That really helped you. Camera man, Thank you water boys,

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Speaker 2: To the bus boy tally ho. Thank you for my coffee.

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Speaker 4: We're all grand Dams today.

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Speaker 1: And my favorite part was where she said one last person.

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Speaker 1: I honestly thought it was going to be Ray, who

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Speaker 5: She's like, let me just be sure, let me make

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Speaker 4: It's so funny that everyone said, how dare you not

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Speaker 3: No, we didn't even think that.

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Speaker 4: You're the only person I've heard say like, why wouldn't

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Speaker 3: What's that girl's name?

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Speaker 4: We won the Oscar and didn't think her stupid Hillary?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But listen, what I really did love and was honestly

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Speaker 5: I couldn't tell it because she, like Giselle, famously, does

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Speaker 4: A lot of the stuff on these things are just fake,

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Speaker 1: like if finally got caught up with her, And I

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00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 1: do think a lot of them want the best for her,

444
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 1: like they really want her to take this seriously, and

445
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 1: all of us do, like listen when it comes to Karen.

446
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: She's a great reality star. She obviously is one of

447
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: the faces of Atomac. She's funny to watch, but we

448
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 1: all want to make sure she takes care of herself because,

449
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: like you said, if you want to drink, that's fine,

450
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: but Paula Uber like, don't get behind the wheel and

451
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: make the mistake of doing what you did again. So

452
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: hopefully that happens. But one mistake that was made that

453
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: we saw too was Wendy believing that Karen was her friend.

454
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: So throughout the season, we did see doctor Wendy have

455
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: Karen's back shut down every conversation where her name was

456
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: brought up when she wasn't around, But to see that

457
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: Karen talk about her to stay and then for when

458
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: did to find out about that and admitted that she

459
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: regrets in biting her to the White House.

460
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 3: What did you guys make of all of that?

461
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: Like, do you feel like it's true that cam and

462
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: befriends the newbie to be like this mother hand and

463
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 1: then once she sees them become independent without her, she

464
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: drops them.

465
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 2: Yes.

466
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,959
Speaker 5: I think Karen one hundred percent does that, And I

467
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 5: think it is partially like a psychological thing. I think

468
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 5: she wants to be a mother hen and then partially

469
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 5: it's like, hey, I'm gonna get out in front of

470
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 5: the nar I'm gonna shape the narrative.

471
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna shape her from the beginning.

472
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 5: But I think when you do that, it always comes

473
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 5: back to bite you because people always crosscheck and they

474
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 5: double check and then they realize, wait a second, Like

475
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 5: I came into this group and you made me believe

476
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 5: a certain thing, but you actually poisoned all these relationships

477
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 5: and now I'm the one who is suffering because of

478
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 5: it because you did this to me. And invariably the

479
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 5: person that she tries to bring in and do that too,

480
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 5: they always turn on her, and she doesn't seem to

481
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 5: realize that it's like ultimately a losing strategy. But I

482
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 5: think that, uh, I think Karen, she she tries, she tries,

483
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 5: and I'm sure I'm shocked. I'm shocked that Wendy really

484
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 5: thought that Karen had her back, especially because their relationship

485
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 5: was actually the opposite of that, because when Wendy came

486
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 5: into the group, Karen specifically did not go up to

487
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,239
Speaker 5: her and try to like to mother hen her. She

488
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,239
Speaker 5: actually tried to actly she didn't even know Wendy when

489
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 5: they actually didn't know each other.

490
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 4: But I think two things can be true too. I mean, look,

491
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 4: I don't think Karen deserves to be shocked to hell

492
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,239
Speaker 4: just because she talks shit about somebody. It's not like

493
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 4: Wendy sits there. It's not like Wendy wouldn't say in

494
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 4: a group, in a private group like this one is crazy.

495
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 4: She's full of shit, but she's fun, you know. I Mean,

496
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 4: I think that it's fair that Karen met with this

497
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 4: new person. She's like, Now, Wendy you got to watch

498
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: out for because she's very serious about herself. She's going

499
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 4: to talk about her degrees all the time, and she's

500
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 4: annoying as fuck, but she's also got these other things

501
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 4: that are great about her. You know, that's just normal

502
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 4: girl shit talking. So this whole like, I'm gonna tell

503
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 4: on Karen care was never your friend.

504
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 3: That's not true.

505
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 4: I mean, you can be friends with someone and also

506
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 4: think they're an asshole fifty percent of the times. Otherwise

507
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have friends. My friends wouldn't hang out with me.

508
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 4: I'm sure they talk about.

509
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 3: Me all the time. So some of that I was

510
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 3: just like.

511
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 4: Eh, you all talk shit about each other, and I don't.

512
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 4: I don't want to crucify Karen for that because she's

513
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 4: not necessarily wrong about Wendy. But she also still likes Wendy,

514
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. She didn't say anything that bad.

515
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 4: She said she's self absorbed and whatever else about Wendy

516
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 4: and Wendy is like that. You know, just read any

517
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 4: comments where the audience speaks. I mean, Wendy, Wendy can't

518
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 4: be like that. But Wendy's also really funny, and she's

519
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 4: also a good friend, and she's also got a lot

520
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 4: of really good qualities, you know.

521
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 5: So the other thing is with Karen too, is it's

522
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 5: not it's not just that she wants to mother Hen,

523
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 5: but she is basically investing in you.

524
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: As her soldier. I mean, she uses the phrase soldiers

525
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 2: all the time, which I was.

526
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 3: Like, who's going a soldier for Karen?

527
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 2: Who good?

528
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 6: It's like, why are we soldiering for someone who craps?

529
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 6: Gether no media, and she'll take me down in the

530
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 6: middle of the street.

531
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 5: But basically, she pours all this into people, and she's

532
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 5: always like she's a good girl, and she brings people

533
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 5: to the tally ho and she goes she brings them

534
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 5: under her wing. But it's basically it's basically because there's

535
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 5: gonna come a moment when she's gonna call upon you

536
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 5: and she's gonna need you, and if you're not there

537
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 5: at that moment, then she will then destroy you.

538
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what happened in Stacy. It happens

539
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: every year with someone like.

540
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 4: She calls them soldiers and she's using a war term

541
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 4: when she takes them to lunch, like she takes up

542
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 4: to the tally ho, which is a war term.

543
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: I love that I need to go to the tally ho.

544
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: I would love to go to tally ho the thing listen.

545
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: I think Karen also understands that. Look, she is an

546
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: og and when these new girls come on. I tell

547
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: people this all the time, Ben and Rannie, these housewives

548
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: form alliances. And what's shocking to me is the audience

549
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: gets mad at me when I say that, and I'm like,

550
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: do you guys really believe that these friendships are going.

551
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: To last outside of the show, Like got I got

552
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 3: read for Philip when I said guard Solth and.

553
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: Sutton of friendship of convenience. I'm not saying they don't

554
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: like each other. I'm not saying they hey me. All

555
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying is if their friends five years post the

556
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: show not them bup I being on, I would be surprised.

557
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: Right when it comes to Karen, I think Karen is

558
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: trying to, like you guys said, have her soldiers on

559
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: her team.

560
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 3: I don't think any of these women, in.

561
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: My opinion, I don't think there's not one Potomac housewife

562
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: in this current cast that are friends in real life.

563
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: I think Giselle and Robin are our best friends with

564
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: or without the show. I think Alexis and Marisol are

565
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: best friends with or without the show, and I think

566
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: it there right.

567
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got Exel and Teddy, but that doesn't really count,

568
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 4: I guess because Teddy's not there, right. Teddy, I think

569
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 4: is still kind of an alliance in that sense where

570
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 4: she's just like she's Teddy, like she's gonna ride hard

571
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 4: for Kyle, and I think she still thinks she's going

572
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 4: to be back on that show and they're gonna have

573
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 4: like a power. But yeah, I see what you're saying,

574
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 4: and I do think that's what it is. And I

575
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: think that's why Wendy's stuff rings a little untrue. I

576
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 4: just mean the stuff from the reunion where she's all

577
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 4: of a sudden mad with Karen now, because I think

578
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 4: that was just when they talk about like who's called Karen,

579
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 4: Who's talked to Karen since all this happened. Wendy hasn't

580
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 4: talked to Karen since they filmed the show, So I

581
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 4: think that that's more, you know, that speaks to more

582
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 4: of who's real friends and who's not, you know, even

583
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 4: astally talked to her and even or texted her at

584
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 4: least like there were a couple of them who are like, well,

585
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 4: we talked at Christmas or we talked to New Year's

586
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 4: which I think is normal for kind of an average friendship,

587
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 4: you know. But yeah, I just don't buy that they

588
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 4: were ever best friends. But Wendy needs in the line,

589
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 4: I mean Wendy, and so does Karen. Karen was always again,

590
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 4: always trying to come for Karen, and Wendy really needed

591
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 4: it after the past couple of years. And so I

592
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 4: think Karen was pretty good until she got caught talking

593
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 4: shit behind her back. I think she was a pretty

594
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 4: good alliance member for Wendy.

595
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 5: Is there a conspiracy theory here? Tell me if this

596
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 5: is too conspiratorial, or if this is a possibility that

597
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 5: Wendy because Wendy's smart and she knows who Karen Huger is,

598
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 5: and she knows Karen talks shit and everything, and she

599
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 5: knows Karen never really accepted her. Is there a possibility

600
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 5: that Wendy's had watch I'm coming back this season.

601
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be contentious.

602
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 5: You're gonna see like a nicer, more like chill Wendy,

603
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 5: and I am going to stand up for Karen, and

604
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 5: I'm gonna and I'm going to stand up so hard

605
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 5: for and watch she will betray me. There will come

606
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 5: a moment when she will betray me, and when that happens,

607
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 5: people will see that I'm actually the cool person here right, like,

608
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 5: because Wendy was sort of people didn't really love Wendy

609
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 5: the past few seasons, and she's do you think that

610
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 5: she was? Like, I'm going to blindly back Karen on

611
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 5: spec that she would get the betrayal and be able

612
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 5: to have the betrayal card.

613
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna say this and I'm gonna take it back.

614
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: Style.

615
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: I agree with Ben.

616
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: The thing is this, doctor Wendy is the smartest woman

617
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: on that stage, not just for degrees, but it turns

618
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: out how to play the game. I think doctor Wendy

619
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: sits back and looks at everything around her, and she

620
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: plays according to the players within the room. And she,

621
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: unlike most reality stars who form alliances, doctor Wendy plays

622
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: the game to the end like she can like forecast,

623
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: like to your point, band, I know the history of Karen,

624
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: and I know at the end of the day, the

625
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: audience will see that I've had her back. So when

626
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: Karen messes up the audience, not the girls, because who

627
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: gives a shit, right, the audience will be on my side.

628
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: So when I go after Karen next season, because that's

629
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: what that's actually what's being set up, right, was being

630
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: set up is a Karen versus Wendy, and I'm here

631
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: for it. Doctor Wendy plays this game of housewives better

632
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: than anyone on that couch.

633
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: So I would not put it past her.

634
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: I think I think Doctor Wendy's first season, like any housewife,

635
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: she came in like I'm gonna be me and I'm

636
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: going to be myself, and I believe she watched a

637
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: couple of episodes or seasons and understood the dynamics. But

638
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: once she got through her first season and she got

639
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: read for four degrees, we've seen a different Doctor Wendy.

640
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: And I think this season was her best one because

641
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: she knew, like the fan favorite from an audience standpoint

642
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: is Aaron, So let me ride with the fan favorite, and.

643
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 5: It's like a sympathy play. It's a really strong sympathy play.

644
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 5: And I think that maybe she thought she would get

645
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 5: sympathy from when she and Gazelle and Robin had their

646
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 5: initial falling out when they brought up rumors about Eddie

647
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 5: and everything, and like I was the audience, I personally

648
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 5: don't think any of us really cared, like, you know,

649
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 5: it was shitty of them to do it, but it

650
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 5: wasn't like, oh my god, poor Wendy. We're like, okay,

651
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 5: it's just like it's just another notch on the Potomac

652
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 5: bench there and everything. So this is more of like

653
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 5: a I'm gonna be good and look, oh my god,

654
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 5: I can't believe Karen would do this to me.

655
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: And honestly, you're right.

656
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 5: It does totally set up next season, and Wendy going

657
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 5: after Karen will be I think significantly more entertaining than

658
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 5: what we've seen the past few years, which has been

659
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 5: a lot of Mia going after Karen because me is

660
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 5: just like, you know, she's like a like a floppy

661
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 5: fish on a dock, you know, kind of like.

662
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: Not a floppy disk on your Mac computer back in.

663
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: The eighty Give her that much credit.

664
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 4: Those things at least you know, held in from things,

665
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 4: could remember things.

666
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

667
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's where I think Wendy is. Here's where I predict.

668
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: I predict Wendy may go wrong next year because you're

669
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 4: saying she's the smartest one this and that, but Wendy

670
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 4: doesn't generally have the audience on her side. I mean,

671
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 4: I feel like she she hasn't really aimed correctly and

672
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 4: she's focused her annoyance at the wrong people. Like that

673
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 4: season when they had the whole happy Eddy thing. She

674
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 4: should have won that hands down, like she should have

675
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 4: won the audience stuff hands down, but she didn't because

676
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 4: she was too focused on Mia having being fake and

677
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 4: all of this other stuff that she was going after

678
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 4: me as like surgery is that was the same season

679
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 4: right right it started off, Yeah, so she kind of

680
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 4: didn't have the right take on that. And then I

681
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 4: think when she comes back with this Karen thing, she's

682
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 4: gonna go way too hard on the you're an alcoholic.

683
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 4: I think she's gonna fall into the Tamra Judge hole

684
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 4: where Tamra was.

685
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: Like, you dirty alcoholic bitch, and.

686
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 4: She's gonna play that too hard and then she's gonna

687
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 4: end up having to be contrived by the the reunion

688
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 4: like Tamra. So I hope she doesn't fall into that

689
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 4: hole because it's the lowest hanging fruit. I mean, coming

690
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 4: after Karen for literally anything else. I mean, I'm not

691
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 4: saying don't come after her for the drinking and stuff,

692
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: but I hope that she doesn't make that her whole

693
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 4: crusade because I think it's going to blow up in

694
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 4: her face. And she's in pretty good standing right now, but.

695
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 5: That could mess up in Karen's face, right because if Karen,

696
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 5: you know, with Shannon, she was doing the whole thing like, well,

697
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 5: I've taken accountability, I've gone and seen doctor Moon.

698
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm trying to take and make changes

699
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: in my life. And so for Tamra to.

700
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: Be, like, you know, anacoholic, it just felt so cruel.

701
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: This woman's trying to change.

702
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 5: But if Karen comes back and is still not really

703
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 5: even acknowledging that anything really happened, like oh, I lost

704
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 5: control of the car or something like that, and Wendy

705
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 5: comes after, she might actually be able to do it.

706
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 5: And also, not for nothing, Tamra being totally vile and

707
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 5: evil on the last season of Orange County made us.

708
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: All be like, ooh, you're the worst. But it was

709
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: also an absolutely amazing season, the best.

710
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, But it wasn't a great reunion because Tamara ended

711
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 4: up kind of failing the end where she.

712
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: Was just good, It's going to be nice.

713
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 4: Now it's like, no, you have to commit if you're

714
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: the villain, commit, I know.

715
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: But see that's okay, okay, okay, we have to we.

716
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: Have to we have to settle on this for a second,

717
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: because I'm glad I have you two, because you.

718
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: Two are like you know, the.

719
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: Housewives historians, and I would love to get your POV

720
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: on this. I love a villain, right because anybody who

721
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: grew up watching NAT's Landing, Dynasty, Merro's Place, you know

722
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like the iconic dramatic series. Every successful

723
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: drama show has a villain, and the actor usually wins

724
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: an Emmy, do you know what.

725
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 3: I mean for their amazing performance.

726
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: Right when it comes to Housewives, Tama Judge is a

727
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: Heather Locklear, have the Locklear inspired villain on that show, Blonde,

728
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: beautiful and just doesn't give a fuck, and I am.

729
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 3: Here for it.

730
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the audience on social media appears to hate it

731
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 1: and they call for her dismissal. And because of that,

732
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: you have someone like a Tama Judge who have to

733
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: come to the reunion putting her hands on her ass

734
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: and sit on it to make sure she doesn't say

735
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: anything to like maybe lose her job. But she made

736
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: it one of the best OC seasons ever, at least

737
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: top three, you know what I mean? Why is it

738
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: hard for the audience to accept that? Just like you

739
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: love your favorite villain on your drama or your soap operas,

740
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: why can't they accept one on Housewives?

741
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 3: I think it's just the she just takes it too far.

742
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 4: She just gets too dark, And I think that's the

743
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 4: problem on a lot of Housewives. They just go too

744
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 4: far and the audience doesn't like it when it's just

745
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 4: something manufactured or fake. I mean, we know that Tama, well,

746
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 4: we know that Shannon got dui already, so we're coming in.

747
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: We're not expecting her not to be called that.

748
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 4: But then Tamra just goes so mean or she goes

749
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 4: so mean, you're poor and then your husband's this, and

750
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,959
Speaker 4: she just gets so deep and dark that you can't

751
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 4: stand up for her. It's better when there's something kind

752
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 4: of natural, there some reason to hate somebody, like when

753
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 4: she went after Gretchen. She hated Greta and this is

754
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 4: way back in history, but she hated Gretchen's ass and

755
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 4: she hated her for reasons that people could get. Gretchen's

756
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 4: like this young girl married to this old guy, pretending

757
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 4: that she loves the old guy and trying to get

758
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 4: pity when meanwhile she's sucking some other guy at bass

759
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 4: Lake and everybody knows it. And so when Tamra's bringing

760
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,479
Speaker 4: it up, she's actually getting you on something that's real,

761
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 4: and the audience also hates you for that reason. So

762
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 4: she's kind of being the villain for the audience. She's

763
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 4: taking the person down that the audience wants to kind

764
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 4: of be taken down. But then once she just becomes

765
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 4: mean and she's like, well, that person's popular, so I'm

766
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: going to bring her down a peg and I'm just

767
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 4: going to be horrible, Like the stuff with Jim Piedrante

768
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 4: is just horrible. I mean, that girl is like a

769
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 4: little lamb. The audience loves that girl, Like, why would

770
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: you try to slaughter her? You can't slaughter people that

771
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 4: you want. You have to slaughter people that the audience

772
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 4: wants you to slaughter.

773
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 5: I think that we I think that we don't. We

774
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 5: don't like what the villains have to say on reality TV.

775
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 5: That's what makes them villains. They are often they often

776
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 5: are mean, and they often do go too far. The

777
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 5: best ones know exactly know what the line is and

778
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 5: don't cross it, and sometimes they do go over it,

779
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 5: et cetera. But so people call for their for them

780
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 5: to be fired all the time. But I do believe

781
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 5: that what they don't realize is that when people are

782
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 5: calling for these people to be fired, they don't realize

783
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 5: how much they are actually loving the dramatic contributions they're

784
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 5: making to the show. Because when you hate someone so much,

785
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 5: it does add a lot of dramatic stakes to what

786
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 5: you're watching. And so as much as you hate these people,

787
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 5: like you can't you can't say, like, oh, Southern Southern

788
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 5: Troum season five was arguably one of Southern Trump's best seasons.

789
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 5: And that's when you had Ashley, which is the first

790
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 5: time they ever had a mega villain and the only

791
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 5: time they had a mega mega villain on that show.

792
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 5: And we're all mad, we're all in it because you're

793
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 5: all waiting for that elimination of like get rid of her,

794
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 5: put her down or whatever. And so it's like, we like,

795
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 5: the people drive us nuts, but we kind of have

796
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 5: to live with them. And it's like with a scripted show.

797
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 5: Like a soap opera, the villains drive us nuts, but

798
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 5: they're villains and we.

799
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: Know that they're written.

800
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 5: But here these are like real people saying things, and

801
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 5: so there's an element of like did they just say that?

802
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: Was this a real person that just said that?

803
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 5: Does anyone else like like they're like, this is the villain, right,

804
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 5: because there's almost like in a soap opera, you know

805
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 5: who the villains are, but in reality TV, like it's

806
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 5: not always clear is this person really the villain? Because

807
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 5: now we're seeing a sympathetic scene with them with like

808
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 5: at their child. So it like riles people up, but

809
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 5: I think that we have to protect our villains.

810
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, well also will make that show stop changing mid

811
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 4: stream because of the audience, because I know that it's

812
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: got to be traumatizing to come online and everything being

813
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: like I hate you, I hate you, fire her fire,

814
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: especially for someone like Tamra who did lose her job,

815
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 4: so now she knows what that pain is and she's

816
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 4: trying not to do it again. But it killed her

817
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 4: in the end, I mean, it didn't kill her. She's back,

818
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 4: she'll be fine, but I mean at the end of

819
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 4: the season, that's what ended up getting her.

820
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 3: You need to be like a Gizelle.

821
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 4: Gizelle and I have to say, I've had years where

822
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 4: I love Gizelle and I've had years where I hate her,

823
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: And I just mean in the audience kind of a

824
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 4: way where you love to hate her. But Gizelle doesn't

825
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 4: apologize for Dick and Gizelle will go on there and

826
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 4: when they say, Gizelle, the audience hates you this year

827
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 4: for bullying whoever, and she's like, whatever, I don't read that,

828
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: like I do not care if they hate me.

829
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: And Robin was the same way.

830
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 4: She's like, I don't care. Now you have to be

831
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 4: because Gizelle is tough one, you know. And I think

832
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 4: that any fan can respect Gizelle even if they don't

833
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 4: like her child.

834
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: We are just getting started. This is reality with the King,

835
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

836
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: No and listen.

837
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: I enjoyed Giselle this season, and I enjoyed Giselle this reunion.

838
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: I've met Gizelle a couple of times.

839
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: We ungau.

840
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: I can say to this for sure, Giselle is a

841
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: cool ass woman and.

842
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 3: She's fun to be around.

843
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: But Gazelle also gets her role on the show, and

844
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: she does it well doing this reunion when Stacy, who

845
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: I love, by the way, when Stacey is so freaking good.

846
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: So when Stacey is congratulating, when dealing happy Eddie and

847
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: happy Eddie, this out of nowhere my favorite Potomac billin

848
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: and I mean, that's the best confident possible. Giselle Kobe

849
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: Bryant's when I call her, she's like, oh, really, is

850
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: it going to be a happy Stacy A spacey Stacy Archie.

851
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: Did you meet with somebody? Didn't you tell them that

852
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: you know you want to start of the show, that

853
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: you're on the show? They said, who are you? And

854
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is this shit that I want to watch?

855
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: I love that. Gazelle said, it has nothing to do

856
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 3: with me.

857
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: They're not talking about me, but I'm still going to

858
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: insert myself Stacy gag, Wendy gag and I'm sorry, boys,

859
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: I believe Gazelle.

860
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: Well, she does it in such a way that she's

861
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 4: giving you specifics, right, She's like, you met with a

862
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 4: guy and the guy said, why the hell would I

863
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 4: believe in you? And you said, because I'm a celebrity. Well,

864
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 4: from watching Stacy, it doesn't seem like Stacy would be

865
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: like that. But we also saw Stacy go from in

866
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 4: her first couple episodes she was a lot tougher and

867
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 4: then she fell into this whole like what like this

868
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 4: kind of innocent role, Like she figured out her role

869
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 4: a little bit later in the season and then stuck

870
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 4: with that. So it's like, well, is she really like that?

871
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 4: Would she do that?

872
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 3: And Gizelle just had specific so I believe her too,

873
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: How can you?

874
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 5: Also, Stacy's defense was like no, no, no, I'm like, oh,

875
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 5: that's really convincing. That's that doesn't sound guilty at all.

876
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 5: I just want to say something in defensive Gazelle. Also, honestly,

877
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 5: Gazelle has never been a villain to me. Jizelle has

878
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 5: actually always been a protagonist for me. If you go

879
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 5: back to watch for Crappin's early and early seasons, back

880
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 5: when the show began.

881
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: I've always been a Gazelle fan. I'm sorry she is.

882
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 4: Well a fan, yes, but I mean to say that

883
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 4: Gizelle's never been a villain is crazy.

884
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 5: Cort Well, no, but meaning that like she's not like

885
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 5: a perennial villain the way Tamra is like, meaning that

886
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 5: given that everyone has seasons where they got villain cuts.

887
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 5: You know, I like, she's had her villain seasons, but

888
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 5: for me, she's just been someone who stirs the pot,

889
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 5: like she just knows exactly how to like throw something

890
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 5: in there, just like this example with Stacey and cause

891
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 5: chaos and like make a TV show.

892
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: And I've just always loved her for that. I mean,

893
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: she definitely had.

894
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 5: Villainous seasons, you know, everything with Canvas and then you know,

895
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 5: even coming after Wendy and.

896
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: Eddie, but like over it's a hardened villain Like.

897
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: I just me, she's always been. She's always been heroes.

898
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 5: Like I want to see her in like a Kate,

899
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 5: you know, she.

900
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: She has like this dying Carol way to think that. Okay,

901
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: there's a difference between a Gazelle villain, a Tama Judge villain,

902
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: and a Kenyamore villain, right, so I do think Listen,

903
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: Tama Judge is like no fucks to give, Like gold

904
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: I even told Tama, like, bitch, you went way too farmashaty,

905
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: like I like you, but I love you even you

906
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: made me.

907
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: Uncomfortable and I'm your friends.

908
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: She's like, oh my gosh, Okay, Kenya Moore to me

909
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: is this Kenya Moore is a hilarious Shade assassin and

910
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: and she makes it so delicious to watch and you

911
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: actually laugh at it. The thing with Gazelle, Gazelle has

912
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: a glamorous way of being a villain and a protagonist.

913
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 3: I think she's both. But even watching the reunion, she.

914
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: Understands the assignment. And what I love about Gazelle in

915
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: real life she does not read the comments and that's

916
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: why she is a formidable opponent to work with. And

917
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: I believe Stacy is lying because if you're telling me, Carlos,

918
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 1: is it true that you're doing a Watchwork crap Ins

919
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: live show and stealing their name?

920
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, fuck, No, I would never do that to

921
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: Ben and Rodney?

922
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: Are you?

923
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say no, I'm not doing that.

924
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 3: No, No, where did you hear that from?

925
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: No?

926
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: I would be so like, are you fucking kidding me?

927
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: Gizelle, don't start no shit with me, bitch, I would

928
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: never do that.

929
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: You're a fucking liar. You're not trying to come and

930
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: get me and Wendy. Well, I think Stacey's deal just

931
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: isn't done yet.

932
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 4: She's probably talk to something or has talked to somebody

933
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 4: about doing it and it hasn't happened yet, so she

934
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 4: can't announce it.

935
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: So she's like, what do I even say to this?

936
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: You know?

937
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I love that the whole thing, because you

938
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: can't tell someone they can't start their own weed company.

939
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 4: I mean that's just crazy. But the whole thing on

940
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 4: this show is you have to talk to Wendy first.

941
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 4: It can't be another Well she about to enjoy how

942
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 4: three wicks when I enjoy my nine wicks?

943
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: Stupid?

944
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: You know, like she has to know you have to

945
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: go through the gate. Yeah.

946
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 5: I think, by the way, I really feel like Stacy

947
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 5: is such a good addition. And I think that this

948
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 5: this fall, there was a lot of talk Salt Lake

949
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 5: City took up all the space justifiably, so Salt Lake

950
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 5: City was amazing and massiful, So obviously there was like

951
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 5: a lot of talk about Brittany and Bronwyn and like

952
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 5: there are these great new newbies, et cetera. And then

953
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 5: then Beverly Hills comes along, You've got bows and Bose

954
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 5: is doing a great.

955
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: Job, and then I feel it, Yes, Bose.

956
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: Is like just fits in seamlessly.

957
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 5: But I feel like Stacy really deserves special mention because

958
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 5: she is doing something that's really hard, which is being

959
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 5: a really good new first housewife without being over the top.

960
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 5: And she also is kind of bringing a different vibe

961
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 5: this like persons always clutching her pearls and then very sincere.

962
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 5: But then you can tell when went against the wall,

963
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 5: she will come at you and she can do it

964
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 5: pretty well.

965
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: And I'm like.

966
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 5: Really excited to see if what's gonna happen next season.

967
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 5: And I think that she's like a really good casting

968
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 5: discovery that Bravo has had that really has kind of

969
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 5: gone under the radar.

970
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 3: A grey A grey. Ryan, What are your thoughts on Stacy.

971
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 3: I love Stacy. I think she's just great. I mean

972
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 3: I could do with that. TJ.

973
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 4: So whatever that story, whatever that storyline is, I can't

974
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 4: really figure out if he's really just the hired you know,

975
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 4: because everyone says that that's kind of the hired boyfriend,

976
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 4: like a Kenya Walter type situation or Kenya.

977
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 3: I don't know any Kenya relationship really.

978
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: Kenny was married to Mark.

979
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 4: She met Mark in some restaurant, was like you'll do

980
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 4: It's like she cast him and then that was it.

981
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 4: He'd lived in Brooklyn the whole time. She never even

982
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 4: saw that guy. I mean, listen, and I know that

983
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 4: that was an expensive casting. It was an expensive mistake

984
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 4: because he went off script. He was like, I want

985
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 4: all the money. But so I don't know if this

986
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 4: is a high situation, what that is. I don't need

987
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 4: him on my TV anymore. But I love her.

988
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: I think she's great. I take it you too are

989
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 3: a TJ fan. Oh he's the worst. He is the

990
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: absolute worst. Are you tonguing to me at the party?

991
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: J is a pioneer of mesh shirts on.

992
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: He earned that mesh shirt. Though. I'll give him that

993
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 3: he can wear it.

994
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 4: He does the push. I'm not going to take his

995
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 4: mess away from it. And that's probably the best is

996
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 4: the worst? Well at Leasta's shirts are like his personality, transparent, loser,

997
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 4: my lady alone.

998
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: She deserves better, transparent TJ. That's what you say for

999
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: transparent J.

1000
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about how a fashion line

1001
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: that could have been the she Buys Your Very Potomac

1002
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: turn into a five to one seed three nonprofit organization.

1003
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: Didn't he do that?

1004
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 4: They didn't even bother to file the five oho one

1005
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 4: c That's the problem.

1006
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 3: What Ronnie, and I.

1007
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: Mean this, like Stacy, I guess I'm not smart or

1008
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: educated because I really did not in Stacy, I didn't

1009
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: say that just out there be cleare, But look I

1010
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: did not, And I still don't understand how a fashion

1011
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: line selling apparel is now a nonprofit organization helping out

1012
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: the community. You can't cancer and leggings at the same time,

1013
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: You've got to pick a lane.

1014
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 4: I cannot buy leggings for brain cancer. I need to

1015
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 4: know a difference. And also the whole when they had

1016
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 4: to explain it at the three Union and they just

1017
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 4: kept going weird liaisons.

1018
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 3: What does that mean? You're not between the community and

1019
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: the charity. No, you're not.

1020
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 4: You're if anything, you're a charity broker. So are they

1021
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 4: taking money and then taking a cut of that money

1022
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 4: for the charity?

1023
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 3: What are they doing? I don't know, it's fish.

1024
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: I feel like that.

1025
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just it's so it's like so vaguely sketched out,

1026
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 5: like they're going to be doing outreach to the community,

1027
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 5: but like what sort of outreach are they doing? Like GNA,

1028
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 5: this athletisure brand is going to be like solving crises

1029
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 5: on the street or whatever, and like none of it

1030
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 5: makes sense, and you can tell that you can do

1031
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 5: you tell they don't even even they aren't taking it

1032
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 5: seriously because the listener question was like, do you guys

1033
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 5: even sell things? I went on the site and it's

1034
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 5: only pictures of you guys, and then Gizell just starts

1035
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 5: laughing like like, I just I had to do it

1036
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 5: for the TV show.

1037
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: Well, what can I say? Community outreach whatever.

1038
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 4: Weren't they just doing a drop ship for leggings with

1039
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 4: their name slapped on them like everybody else. It's not

1040
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 4: like you actually go out there and make the clothes charade.

1041
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 4: Did her whole Alibaba thing? Didn't that sell? Okay, they

1042
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 4: need to do.

1043
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: A collabor Yes, that's right, I said.

1044
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 5: They need to do a collaboration with Prism, the Whitney

1045
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 5: Rose jewelry line.

1046
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: They don't white label things. I'm looking at it right now.

1047
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 4: You can get a pink leopard legging right now.

1048
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 3: Wait, is the website working?

1049
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: Uh huh?

1050
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Charay, Yeah.

1051
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 4: But it was and women's health and people and the traders.

1052
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 4: There's even someone to chat with.

1053
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 2: God bless char I'm sad that we don't have Chara back.

1054
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 5: I'm I I feel like, we should just have Charae,

1055
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 5: just to have Charrette.

1056
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: At this point, she's like legacy.

1057
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 5: So even if she does nothing, just like have her

1058
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 5: in a scene in the background, Like, I just feel

1059
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 5: like you can't keep firing her.

1060
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 2: It's not fair.

1061
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: It's not fair.

1062
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: And I washed on every season and this I think

1063
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: she's so underrated. She provides good commentary, great confessional bites.

1064
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: She's she and she always looks the part, and she

1065
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 1: knows how to be messy, and she's she's like your Zelle.

1066
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: She doesn't give a fuck. Charay reads no comments. Charay

1067
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: just doesn't care. And I love the fact that Charay

1068
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: has this grand this grand du grand yo's delusion that

1069
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: I find fascinating to watch and I love it.

1070
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: I just yeah, you got.

1071
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: You got face sports, but guy, this this.

1072
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: Would be a controversial take. M So.

1073
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: The way I feel about Charay, I also feel about Mia.

1074
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 2: Oh.

1075
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 3: You know, I've tried to I've tried to fight for

1076
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: Mea for years. I love Na.

1077
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 4: I think she's so funny, but she's just gotten to

1078
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 4: the point where it's like she's bringing out like nothing.

1079
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 4: She even says, you can believe she'll sit there and

1080
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 4: lie in the same sentence. She'll start one sentence and

1081
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 4: then lie in the second half of the sentence.

1082
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, come on now.

1083
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 5: But the difference is it works with me a little

1084
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 5: bit more because with Bryn, Brynn lies and then everyone

1085
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 5: on Rony is like, oh my god, oh my god,

1086
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 5: this is just I just feel so terrible for her,

1087
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 5: Like there's just so much a you know, like there's.

1088
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: It's like what she's been through. And I say, including me,

1089
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: Like on our our last.

1090
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 5: Recap of the season, I was like, guys, I do

1091
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 5: feel some compassion for But with Mi as she lies

1092
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 5: and like, oh, you're lying, they just say you're a liar,

1093
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 5: you're lying.

1094
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: You're lying again.

1095
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 4: What we call it the trauma cloak, right, so whenever

1096
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 4: you're on reality and you're in trouble, you throw on

1097
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 4: the trauma cloak and nobody can hurt you while you've

1098
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 4: got that on.

1099
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 3: So it's like, well, but my.

1100
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 4: Parent died, and everyone has to be like, okay, okay,

1101
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 4: everybody stop yelling at her because the parent died or whatever,

1102
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 4: like whatever trauma you've got in your arsenal. And Mia

1103
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 4: tried putting on that trauma cloak three times today and

1104
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 4: they're in this reunion and they're like, no trauma, cloak denied,

1105
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 4: and you're still It's like, but people have different experiences.

1106
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 4: You're not bringing up your right addicted mother. We are

1107
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 4: going forward with this questioning. I'm sorry, ma'am, you have

1108
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 4: used that, like.

1109
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 3: We have cloak denied.

1110
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1111
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 5: I think we've had like perennial liars on these shows

1112
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 5: many times before, or people who like there they just

1113
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 5: have a slippery version of the truth. And I think

1114
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 5: what's funny with Me is that no one takes her seriously,

1115
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 5: so it's kind of just funny to watch her just

1116
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 5: like she lies and it is disproven within like a sentence.

1117
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 5: It doesn't take like five episodes, it takes thirty seconds.

1118
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 5: And like, but you said this, well, actually, when I

1119
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 5: really meant was this, And I think that, like, I

1120
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 5: think the show is best when when Me is more

1121
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 5: of supporting rather than central, because she's so she is

1122
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 5: such a liar that like you can't really get invested

1123
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 5: in anything that's happening.

1124
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: In her life.

1125
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 5: But when she's like on the side and just being messy,

1126
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 5: that's my favorite lane from her.

1127
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 4: No, because Me is one of the one people who's

1128
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 4: interest whose home scenes are interesting because they're so crazy,

1129
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 4: Like I love it right because they are so crazy

1130
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 4: this year, like her telling her kids all that stuff,

1131
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 4: like doing all that stuff in front of the kids,

1132
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 4: and then sleeping with Ink in front of the kids,

1133
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 4: and then acting like oh on her whole like, well,

1134
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 4: Gordon has me like that whole thing every time she

1135
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 4: didn't get away. She well, guys, Gordon has a real

1136
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 4: bad case of minia, and it's really hard.

1137
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 5: I'm like, Ronnie, I can't believe you would say that

1138
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 5: MIA's home scenes are more fascinating than Gazelle's. Carlos, did

1139
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 5: you know that Gazelle has daughters that are going to college.

1140
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've seen that, but she has daughters.

1141
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 4: But it will be fun when MEA's kids are old

1142
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 4: enough like Gazelle's to read her for filth, because.

1143
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: That's one of the best things about the show.

1144
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 4: Is just I was like, let's have a nice scene

1145
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 4: with my daughters, and now, like you said, I'll see you.

1146
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 5: Admittedly, no one really, Okay, Ronnie, you has a strong

1147
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 5: point because honestly, as I'm like going around the couch

1148
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 5: is actually no one has any good home scenes except

1149
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 5: for Mia. I mean Ashley's home scenes are just like

1150
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 5: children on kitchen islands and.

1151
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 4: Just needs to watch some TV. Leave the man alone.

1152
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 4: How many seasons you need to shoot in one season?

1153
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 5: They need to put a fence up on that island,

1154
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 5: you know, like it's just like does the kids climb

1155
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 5: up and they just can't get in there? And just

1156
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 5: driving me nuts. The children on the kitchen island, that's

1157
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 5: where food is prepared. But Kierana, by the way, poor Kierana,

1158
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 5: like nothing's going on over there.

1159
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 3: Remember I wore her social worker hat to lunch.

1160
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 5: I'm still mad at Gray this. This beautiful woman wore

1161
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 5: this polo shirt on National TV for her for him,

1162
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 5: and then he won't let her like hang out with

1163
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 5: the group. Excuse me, no, no, you let her hang out.

1164
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 5: She's wearing a polo shirt.

1165
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 3: Listen, I We'll get back to be the second k

1166
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 3: I think. I'm no Listen, let's have a real conversation.

1167
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: KK to me is an example of sometimes best as

1168
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: being a friend.

1169
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 2: To the show.

1170
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't think she rose to the occasion of being

1171
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: a housewife. I think she makes a great friend to

1172
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: the show. I think Karen needs a friend and KK

1173
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: seems to be one of the only ones who really

1174
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: liked her, besides she's the on the Ashley of course,

1175
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: But I would say that KK unfortunately did not give

1176
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: anything memorable to to have deserved the position of a housewife.

1177
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: And this reunion of part one proved my point that sometimes.

1178
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 3: Friends need to remain a friend.

1179
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look Carlos.

1180
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 5: Last year she had a very compelling storyline of getting

1181
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 5: diarrhea and no one checking out.

1182
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 2: So checking out we're talking about.

1183
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 4: But you also never know until they get a chance

1184
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 4: to prove themselves. I just don't know that she even

1185
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 4: gave the audition to prove herself because she didn't have

1186
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 4: much last year. But she is gorgeous and she looks

1187
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 4: so good in her outfits that and people did love that,

1188
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 4: and Bravo does like that, you know, so maybe that's

1189
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 4: why she got a chance. I think she would also

1190
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 4: have a better chance with someone that if she was

1191
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 4: dating somebody that people cared about, because no one is

1192
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 4: rooting for you to end up with that man. There

1193
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 4: is not one person in the world watching this show

1194
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 4: who's like, oh, I hope it works out for her.

1195
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, run, run.

1196
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 4: So it's hard to watch that when he's being an

1197
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 4: asshole and you have to listen to her complain. It's

1198
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 4: like having that girlfriend who's always complaining, but you're like,

1199
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 4: your man's a piece of shit. Like, how many times

1200
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 4: do I have to spend my brunch listening to you

1201
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 4: complain about.

1202
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 3: This same man. Get a better man. I don't want

1203
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 3: to hear about this man anymore.

1204
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 5: I have a question, Carlos, as a professional in this field,

1205
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 5: why does Kierana get the champagne flute and not Jesse

1206
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 5: and Jessee seems like she has more messiness happening and

1207
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 5: she has a more famous boyfriend fiance.

1208
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think listen, it's kind of a Ronnie intimator

1209
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: right in terms of you don't know until that person

1210
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: gets the opportunity. I think when it comes to kk,

1211
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: based on what happened last season, the fight with Debra

1212
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: and everything going on, the fans were really rooting for

1213
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: her right based on being assaulted by Deborah allegedly whatever.

1214
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: So she was familiar to the audience. You know, the

1215
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: audience likes her. We already introduced her this season before.

1216
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: Let's give her a chance to prove herself. Jazz, in

1217
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: my opinion, deserves to be a housewife.

1218
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: Her situation is messy.

1219
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: I had Jazzy in my podcast and Hunty the story

1220
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: between Jazzy the football player his baby mama.

1221
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 3: That entire situation. If you guys haven't listened to it,

1222
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 3: listen what I say to you. It's messy.

1223
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: It deserves it deserves its own segment at a reunion show.

1224
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: It's that messy. I am invested in that relationship. I

1225
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: want the baby mama to come to the wedding and say,

1226
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: there's anyone you know?

1227
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 3: I see so much.

1228
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: So I think unfortunately because KK had the opportunity the

1229
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: prior season as a friend of and she was fine.

1230
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: She then got the position. But listen, we all make mistakes.

1231
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: You know, we're looking at New York reboot. Mistakes are

1232
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: made sometimes, yeah, and we can bte our wrongs. I

1233
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: think Jazzy deserves to be a flu and I think

1234
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: KK should be a friend.

1235
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 3: That's mine.

1236
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: I think so too, And you know Jesse also.

1237
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 5: You know what she also has, which I think is

1238
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 5: very important is she puts on airs. And I think

1239
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 5: that's very essential for my housewives because remember when she

1240
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 5: threw a party and she she had it at the

1241
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 5: Willard in DC and she's like, I'm having a party

1242
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 5: for for Darius. Yes, And it was a very formal affair.

1243
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 5: It was very ladies who lunched, and I was like, oh,

1244
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 5: this is what I love out of my housewives when

1245
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 5: they think they are fancier than they are. And so

1246
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 5: she really fit the bill, whereas Kierana's like, I work

1247
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 5: on MEDSPA and it's like, okay, you.

1248
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, and my man does want me around you

1249
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 3: I was filming the show.

1250
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: Then then then then you need to leave, Like there's

1251
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: like your man interesting or interested and you being on

1252
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: the show, so.

1253
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: You should go.

1254
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: The reason why I think I also love me is

1255
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: because I'm Anton inc and Gordon. I. I love this

1256
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: trilog threesome typeecta.

1257
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 3: I just I can't get enough of it.

1258
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 4: Do the highest guys, Yeah really, I mean listen, at

1259
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 4: the very least we've got bonus.

1260
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 2: It's just a sexy It's just a sexy storyline.

1261
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 3: Really sexy.

1262
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 4: And also it's the first time we've had a stripper

1263
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 4: who was who found the rich guy, married the rich guy,

1264
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 4: but stayed with the original boyfriend the entire time. She

1265
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 4: was married to the rich guy and had kids, but

1266
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 4: then trick the other guy into thinking that it might

1267
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 4: be his. I mean, come on, that's that's pretty good.

1268
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 4: We've never had that on them.

1269
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 5: Also helpful, And it was at that that Ray and

1270
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 5: Gordon lunch scene. It was like the first time Bravo

1271
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 5: was like, we're going to commit to two old men

1272
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 5: having a scene together.

1273
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeahler I was like, I was glad because you know what,

1274
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,439
Speaker 4: he deserved that scene. I don't care what anybody says

1275
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 4: about Gordon. I know that Gordon has a lot of faults,

1276
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,479
Speaker 4: but Gordon deserves a moment of being like, wait a minute,

1277
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 4: I'm being called literally crazy every second of this show.

1278
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 4: Let me just tell you at least kind of what's

1279
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 4: going on, even though no one's going to believe him,

1280
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 4: you know, like he has less credibility than me even somehow,

1281
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 4: but I think he deserved that after a whole.

1282
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: Year well Gordon's menia, I would have been that time,

1283
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: but the whole freeway with that because of Gordon's media.

1284
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 5: Is Jacqueline going to be Is Jacqueline going to be

1285
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 5: on the reunion Carlos?

1286
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 2: Do we know?

1287
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 5: Because it feels like she should she can expect Okay, yeah,

1288
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 5: because she spent a lot. I just want to get

1289
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 5: from her whether she yeah, is she going is she

1290
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 5: going to own that she is MIA's mouthpiece or is

1291
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 5: she going to do her whole thing of like I'm

1292
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 5: an independent woman again, because watching her like vacillate between

1293
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 5: those two polls within like a scene often was so

1294
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 5: hilarious to me all season.

1295
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: Like I am not I am not MIAs stooge.

1296
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 5: By the way, Mia says, I'm like her best number one.

1297
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: But that's the thing I think, Listen, that's why I

1298
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: like bea too, bea broke Jacqueline in Jacqueline is a sweetheart.

1299
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: But Jacqueline and MIA's dynamics so.

1300
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 3: Weird, and it's so weird you know that.

1301
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: It's like lovers are your friends, I you're both in

1302
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: on the I don't get it, but I can't get

1303
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: enough of it because it's something new and I feel

1304
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: like it brought something fresh to this show. Mia obviously

1305
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: is going through a lot because the audience has not

1306
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: loved her a lot this season, and to see her

1307
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: cry go in the dressing room, try to have a

1308
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: conversation with Stacy and and I'm jazzy about the Miami

1309
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: trip with Mia girl.

1310
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 2: She was so caught.

1311
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 3: I was so caught and like that was bad. That

1312
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 3: was bad.

1313
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: But but she wants to leave, like she can't take

1314
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: it like I wanted.

1315
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 3: It was too much pressure for her.

1316
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 4: No, she's gonna leave ten times. She's pulling the center square,

1317
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 4: you know, she's doing the I'm sitting next to Andy

1318
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna leave every ten minutes. So now she's

1319
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 4: pulling the Shannon but door, I am leave me ten

1320
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 4: minutes after after this segment, you know, and then she

1321
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 4: comes anymore, and then she's back. This last time, Meredith

1322
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 4: Mark's just standing up with her patchmina thing with fur on,

1323
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 4: and she's like, I am leaving, and then she flips

1324
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 4: it around her head and then turns around and keeps

1325
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 4: yelling at them and sits back down and.

1326
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,479
Speaker 3: Stands back up and flips it around her head again.

1327
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 3: And meanwhile Seth is like, are we leaving? Like what?

1328
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 2: Like what?

1329
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: What?

1330
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 3: What? What are we doing here?

1331
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 5: That's Murdith's that's her classic movie that I remember was

1332
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 5: season two or so, when they were at some place

1333
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 5: in the in the middle of the desert and they

1334
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 5: were eating dinner outside and she stood up from the

1335
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 5: table and she went in the house and back to

1336
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 5: the table about five different times, like well, I am

1337
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 5: gonna leave now, I am going to leave.

1338
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 2: I will not stand for.

1339
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 3: This Classic Housewives. So Danielle used to do it.

1340
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 4: God, there have been so many Housewives that they've just

1341
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 4: been like, walk off, Queen's I love it and we

1342
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 4: are trying it. But people don't care if me it

1343
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 4: walks off. They're like bye, yeah, the.

1344
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 3: First walk off, it's not gonna be a same go ahead.

1345
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say I think the first walk off wasn't

1346
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 5: that Ramona singer at the reunion when she didn't want

1347
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,919
Speaker 5: to be on the same stage as Alex McCord because

1348
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 5: Alex McCourt had posed nude one time in her life.

1349
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: No, Slutty can't Augustine, I can't be associated.

1350
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: I have.

1351
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: No way. I'm sorry, Broda.

1352
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 3: We kind of visioned our TV's Green Sister. Okay, so guys,

1353
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 3: before I.

1354
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: Let you go, I got to act question because I

1355
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: want to see if the three.

1356
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 3: Of us are on the same page.

1357
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: Okay.

1358
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: We saw the entire season of OC, we saw the

1359
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: entire season of Salt Lake City. I don't think it

1360
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: matters to copy others because I think I think we

1361
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: all can agree that the twenty twenty four through twenty

1362
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: five season of Housewives the best two housewives.

1363
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 3: Arguably it's Salt Lake City and OC in terms of

1364
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 3: their seasons. Is that correct?

1365
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: I think?

1366
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 3: Okay, here is my question.

1367
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: Out of the OC and Salt Lake City most recent seasons,

1368
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: which housewife city deserves the crown as the best season

1369
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:50,919
Speaker 1: of that year?

1370
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 4: I would have to say Salt Lake City. I mean,

1371
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 4: that's just like I have to say. And I love OC,

1372
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 4: and I loved the whole season of OC, but Salt

1373
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 4: Lake City is just so funny in a way nobody

1374
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 4: else really can do. I don't think anybody else can

1375
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 4: do it right now. They're just also wacko, and their

1376
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 4: beliefs are so out of joint, like and I don't

1377
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 4: mean they're religions. I mean they're just all over the

1378
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 4: place with their beliefs, you know, like literally what they're espousing.

1379
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 4: You've got Lisa, who's just insanely crazy. Meredith is crazy.

1380
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 4: Heather is like this desperate person, but also she got

1381
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 4: like the new thin body and now she's like trying

1382
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 4: to do the I don't know, now she's trying to

1383
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 4: do this soap opera thing but still stuck with her

1384
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 4: old personality.

1385
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just fascinating to watch it.

1386
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, Orange County had a fantastic season

1387
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 5: and I will never take that away from it. It

1388
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 5: was wonderful. And I thought by the time they got

1389
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 5: to London and there was a fight where it was like,

1390
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 5: you looked into my boyfriend. You you looked you snooped

1391
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 5: on my boyfriend while he's in the middle of an

1392
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 5: FBI scandal.

1393
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well you.

1394
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 5: Were going to accuse me of pushing my boyfriend down

1395
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 5: the staircase.

1396
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 2: I thought, how can this is amazing?

1397
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, But then as amazing as that was, Salt Lake

1398
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 5: City had the same level of chaos, and I think,

1399
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 5: if I have to put like a differentiator, I think

1400
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 5: Meredith's Bob Mitz Vote was such a perfect episode. It

1401
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 5: was like a bottle episode all in one place. It

1402
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 5: gave us taglines, it gave us iconic scenes of Mary

1403
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 5: trying to get figure out how to walk in. It

1404
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 5: was also there was charming stuff in it. There was

1405
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 5: lovely stuff. There was chaos. So if I have to

1406
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 5: tip the scales, it's even though to me, honestly, I

1407
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 5: don't even need to tip the scales, but I think

1408
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 5: Salt Lake City wins are you were you setting us

1409
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 5: up for an Orange County maybe no, no.

1410
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 2: No no no no no no no no no. Okay.

1411
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 3: So this is my response.

1412
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: I was not going to watch Salt Lake City after

1413
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: Genshaw went to prison, because I said, like, Genshaw not

1414
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: being on the show to me is like a season

1415
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: without to reach the julyes, like I want to see Genshaw.

1416
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: So then my audience said, there's this woman named Monica,

1417
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: you gotta watch the season, and I said, can't.

1418
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 3: Watch it, and then we don't have to go back

1419
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 3: to that.

1420
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, this is like the best

1421
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: TV shop seen in years.

1422
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 3: Right, So then.

1423
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: Monica's gone, So Jim left, the Monica left, and I'm like, well,

1424
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm not watching the show.

1425
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 2: Right.

1426
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: Once again, my audience, there's this bron Win you gotta

1427
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: watch it. You're missing out, and I have Homo, so

1428
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh fine, Ronnie and Benn.

1429
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 3: I bingched like.

1430
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: Five episodes because I was that much behind, and I said,

1431
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: there is something.

1432
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 3: Here's my answer. OC was a ten out of a ten.

1433
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 1: Perfectly crafted storylines, perfectly curated.

1434
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 3: Moments between like.

1435
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: Shit Emily getting into it with Alexis at the house

1436
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: and like like it was just yes, it was like

1437
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: just like it was like just funny and I barely

1438
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: laughed the whole time. And I'm sorry with Jennifer read

1439
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: the fuck out of Tamra and glam Yeah, with her

1440
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: fucking druid ash jeans and her cute top from Zara,

1441
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: and it may offen be like this woman stood up

1442
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: against Tamra. Even Tamar was like, okay, bitch, you did,

1443
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: Like that's how y'all took it. But even with all

1444
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: of that excellence, I'm gonna tell you what Salt Lake

1445
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: City did that me, as a producer was like, I

1446
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: have to give them a crown. The way these ladies

1447
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 1: are organically funny and organically messy, and how the production

1448
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: of the show plays along these tropes of it being

1449
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: a fucking comedy show and I know all about it.

1450
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 3: I'll speak myself.

1451
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: I do miss Old Roney because Old Roney to me

1452
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 1: was like a comedy show.

1453
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,799
Speaker 3: Like it was it was less drama but more comedy.

1454
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,799
Speaker 1: And even if it was drama like your Holland Tonnel Vagina,

1455
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: that's like funny.

1456
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:20,839
Speaker 3: It's not Duard.

1457
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 5: So new Roney is not funny. I think it's it's

1458
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 5: just a barrel of.

1459
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: Laughs, so fun Yeah, it's.

1460
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 3: Better than like, you know, Hatch, It's.

1461
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: The best thing in the world, right anyway, go on,

1462
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: it's it's it's and those women are hungry, and and

1463
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:44,440
Speaker 1: those women not that they're producing themselves. Everybody Stull produces,

1464
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:48,480
Speaker 1: but they do it in a way that it's entertaining.

1465
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: And last but not least, that fucking finale where they

1466
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: had to read the meanest text messages. I didn't know

1467
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: whether to laugh to cry. I was uncomfortable, but I

1468
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:05,480
Speaker 1: was also impressed.

1469
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 3: I listen.

1470
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 1: I believe the producers came up with that. I don't

1471
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: think it was other right. I was impressed with the

1472
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: producers for saying, how can we top the Monica Garcia moment?

1473
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: Because that to me was like Los Angeles Times front

1474
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: cover of the entertainment section of the newspaper, and and

1475
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: to me, whether or not topped it, it was up

1476
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 1: there for me, and I felt like with Mary clocked

1477
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:35,759
Speaker 1: in as well. Yeah, and I love it. I love Brittany.

1478
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: It's a it's it's a special show that I do

1479
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: not want them to mess up because it's it's very

1480
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: different than any other housewife on the roster.

1481
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 3: And that's why I saw Lake City.

1482
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: Shockingly for me, who had to being to catch up

1483
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 1: with you guys, I Carlos King was very impressed.

1484
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 3: With this season.

1485
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just while you were talking, I was thinking,

1486
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 4: they also do the whole staying real friends. I believe

1487
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 4: that they actually are real friends. I think that the

1488
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 4: main women are bonded in a way and I don't

1489
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 4: know if it was Jen or just being like the

1490
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 4: smaller show in the in the overall picture, whatever it was,

1491
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 4: they are bonded in a way that I believe that

1492
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 4: they are friends, and so they keep coming back together

1493
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 4: so they can switch it up where they hate each

1494
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 4: other one minute, but then they can also be best friends,

1495
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 4: and then they can have a season whether or not,

1496
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 4: and the pairings actually make sense for the show, you know.

1497
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 4: So I think that's a really good, you know, strong

1498
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 4: reason that they're still doing well.

1499
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 5: And the other thing is, which sort of guess what

1500
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 5: you were saying before, is that you can't imagine the

1501
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 5: show without any of them. They all kind of like

1502
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 5: they all pull their weight. And when you look at

1503
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 5: Orange County, Orange County had an amazing, amazing season, but

1504
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 5: like you no, Gina and Emily, like they actually had

1505
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 5: good seasons. You know, they were they got in the mix,

1506
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 5: they were part of it, but you'd like you're not

1507
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 5: drawn to them, and it's all like when you watch

1508
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 5: the Sho show, like, actually, they're pretty good on this show.

1509
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 5: They actually have a role. They deserve their oranges. But

1510
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 5: then when you sit back, you say, Gena and Emily,

1511
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 5: I'm not sure. And where Salt Lake City, It's like

1512
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 5: feels like everyone has like a vital role in their dynamic.

1513
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 2: That's just like perfect.

1514
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 5: It is very much like they have picked up the

1515
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 5: legacy of old Roney and now it's like now it

1516
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 5: sits with them.

1517
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: Yes, agree, agree, agree, so no, so listen, all three

1518
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: of us agree to that.

1519
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 3: So yes, rain drops. Let me know in the comments section.

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Speaker 1: Go to Spotify Comments, hashtag us on Twitter Reality to

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Speaker 1: the King and let us know if you guys agree

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Speaker 1: with us. Once again, you can catch Ben and Ronnie

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Speaker 1: from the uber successful podcast watch What Crap Is. You

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Speaker 1: can get that whereever you get your podcasts, and they

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Speaker 1: are on tour. Go to their website get the tickets

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Speaker 1: because I am going to come to a shell too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to see my voice. I'm coming for sure. Me,

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Speaker 3: Me and Lizzy are gonna comments, oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah oh and Lizzy will be there.

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Speaker 3: So I love you guys.

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Speaker 1: Thank y'all so much for coming on, and I'll see

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Speaker 1: you guys on the next one.

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Speaker 3: Thank you bye. Thank you for listening to Reality with

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Speaker 3: the King.

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Speaker 1: with the King is a production of Kingdom Reign Entertainment.

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Speaker 1: It is produced by Sierra Straggly Ricks An executive produced

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Speaker 1: by Me Carlos King, Kingdom Ring Entertainment, Baby