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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dutton Zaren Damn. Glad to see you.

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Speaker 3: I am so glad to see you.

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Speaker 2: I got a question for you, Yes, sir? Do you

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Speaker 2: know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do share chocolate. It's ridiculously good.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you. You love chocolate, I mean in a

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Speaker 2: ridiculous announce You know.

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Speaker 3: Do you like truffles?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Like the chocolate cover Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Not the ones that yeah, I like the ones that

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Speaker 4: pigs don't find right.

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Speaker 3: So the chocolate e ones you're into that.

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Speaker 2: Whatever, Let's pretend I am have.

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Speaker 3: I got the truffles for you.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Did you know that May second is National Truffle Day?

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Speaker 2: I did not. I did not.

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Speaker 3: We're recording this in May, yes, uh, mid mid late May,

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Speaker 3: so to celebrate National Truffle Day. May second. Put that

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Speaker 3: in your calendar. Let me get my pen Uller High Life,

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Speaker 3: The Champagne Appears is partnering with award winning tier and

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Speaker 3: entrepreneur Philip to create Miller High Life. Barshnacks Truffles, a

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Speaker 3: collection of great tasting chocolate confections that toast to iconic

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Speaker 3: flavors and memories made in bars everywhere. So they have

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Speaker 3: what is this six flavors?

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Speaker 2: You're gonna tell me what they are?

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Speaker 3: Of course I am.

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Speaker 2: What are they? Elizabeth grilled cheese, god.

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Speaker 3: So decadent, triple cream cheese, white chocolate ganash, and a

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Speaker 3: blonde chocolate shell. Lemon pepper chicken wing, an innovative fried

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Speaker 3: chicken ganash infused with lemon pepper seasoning.

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Speaker 2: There's four more.

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Speaker 3: Pretzel pretzel prayleein that doesn't sound too crazy. Beer nut

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Speaker 3: freshly roasted peanuts soaked in the Champagne of beers, then

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Speaker 3: ground into our fragrant beer nut butter and robed in

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Speaker 3: a milk chocolate shell. Buttery popcorn.

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Speaker 2: They're not even trying anymore.

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Speaker 3: No sweet potato fry.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you know that there's a company or I guess

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Speaker 4: like the whole champagne industry, and Rant is currently trying

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Speaker 4: to sue Miller for calling themselves the Champagne of beer.

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Speaker 4: But you think about it, Champagne is kind of the

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Speaker 4: Miller of wines.

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Speaker 3: One let me tell you one more thing. There is

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Speaker 3: a final Boss of truffles.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to.

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Speaker 3: So both of these, both the Miller and the one

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Speaker 3: I'm about to tell you about. We've been getting a lot,

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Speaker 3: like a lot, a lot, a lot of this compartise

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Speaker 3: is a chocolate tear and they teamed up with Velvetda

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Speaker 3: to create truff Vels, the first ever chocolate cheese truffle.

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Speaker 3: Now they may have a bone to pick with the

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Speaker 3: Miller High Life. They got some cheese up in there, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they did. Truff Vels brings the deliciously creamy and iconic

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Speaker 3: Velveta drip to the world of compartise or like one

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Speaker 3: has the accent over the at the end campartise or

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Speaker 3: compart whatever. This place the chocolate company. They're gourmet luxury

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Speaker 3: chocolate for whatever reason, they're slumming with Velveta. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: chocolate and Velveta. Okay, you done? No, I'm not done.

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Speaker 3: Oh they're made to look like those don't look like

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Speaker 3: normal truffles like shells. They look like pasta shells.

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Speaker 2: Wait, they quick pasta shells like their little like macaroni

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Speaker 3: Did I stutter like, like you know this shell you

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Speaker 3: put fancy mac fancy?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know if.

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Speaker 3: You're fancy and you use Velveda in your macaroni and cheese. Okay,

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Speaker 3: there it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that qualifies hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: That was thank you if you got a second, I

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Speaker 4: got something for you always Okay. Do you know there

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Speaker 4: was a once a two week long hostage crisis, complete

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Speaker 4: with proof of life videos, Fax communicates release demands, a

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Speaker 4: Patty her style kidnap victim, siding with the kidnappers in

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Speaker 4: the wildest part Elizabeth. In the end, the kidnapping victim

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Speaker 4: was put into a wood chipper. But it's okay, that's okay.

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Speaker 4: The victim was a college mascot, the Stanford Tree.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I just went through such a roller coaster of emotions.

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Speaker 4: This is ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 4: Heist in cons it's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 4: and one ridiculous. Oh Saren, Yeah, look at that, Jenks. Okay,

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Speaker 4: you are a Bay Area native.

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Speaker 3: Yes I am.

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Speaker 2: You are from Oakland, Yes I am. You have family

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Speaker 2: who attended col.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I am the family shame because I didn't go

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Speaker 3: to cow like everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it runs that deep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I went to UC Davis multiple what they call

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Speaker 3: the farm school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, yeah, the the farm to caw or.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a superior cal Davis say that out of insecurity.

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Speaker 4: Well, I like to imagine that you have a few

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Speaker 4: thoughts and opinions about the Big Game. Oh yes, yeah, okay, Now,

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Speaker 4: of course around these parts of the Bay Area, that's

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Speaker 4: the annual football game between long standing rivals Cal Berkeley

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Speaker 4: and Stanford. Now, what do you remember the Big Game

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Speaker 4: when you were a.

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Speaker 3: Kid, Well, we always went, did you, Yeah, you witnessed.

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Speaker 3: We'd walk over to the to the game growing up

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Speaker 3: and then or my grandparents were Stanford fans and lived

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Speaker 3: in Paloelto.

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Speaker 2: N family division, so I would go over.

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Speaker 3: A lot of times to see them on that weekend.

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Speaker 3: And oh the game against your calams, like come totally

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Speaker 3: like decked out in in calgear and sit there with

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Speaker 4: You did it even crazier. I thought you were going

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Speaker 4: to go basically side against your cal family. You guys

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Speaker 4: sit with the Stanford people. You would take your colgear.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I would, I like a kid.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: You don't know that. Yeah, you cow kids are crazy. Well,

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Speaker 4: there was in the Big Game. I did a bunch

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Speaker 4: of research on the Big Game because, uh, like at

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Speaker 4: one time there used to be like a really big

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Speaker 4: how quote there was a time when the Boosters took

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Speaker 4: street cars. Oh yeah, I was like, wait, what, like,

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Speaker 4: how wild is that depicture going down like Market Street?

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Speaker 4: Just the street cars and people are all these drunks

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess or Stanford likely.

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Speaker 3: I think there was less to do then.

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Speaker 4: When I first moved to nor Call my family, the

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Speaker 4: maybe driving around Davis with their cardinal red or they're

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Speaker 2: Is it blue and gold?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like nine years old, right, So I'm like, sorry,

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Speaker 4: I've never heard of either of your schools. I'm from

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Speaker 4: sec Land, none that we don't talk about any of this,

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Speaker 4: But I love your Big Game.

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Speaker 2: That's it's cute.

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Speaker 4: But anyways, so to be fair, though, Cal had a

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Speaker 4: good football team at one time, Like Aaron Rodgers went there,

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Speaker 3: People have heard of them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, like they had good goal they have

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Speaker 4: good coaching, they have had good players. But these days

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Speaker 4: both teams are pretty bad. So the big game, it's

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Speaker 4: not so easy to get excited when they're one and five.

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Speaker 3: I will tell you everyone I know who went to Cal,

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Speaker 3: when their team is criticized, will say to a supporter

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Speaker 3: of whatever other team, well, how many Nobel Laureates do

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Speaker 3: you have at your college? That's how Cal rolls.

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Speaker 2: That's so Cal.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, Okay, well you know what, like, is there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no Stanford and so yeah, good point. You

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Speaker 4: And I got to say, growing up in Davis, they

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Speaker 4: literally were the farm, the experimental farm for Berkeley, and then

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Speaker 4: So it turns out that the Big Game, it used

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Speaker 4: and when I looked into it, it was actually intentionally squelched.

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Speaker 2: The Big Game and all the antics.

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Speaker 4: And everything we used to occur when we were kids,

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight Stanford Tree kidnapping.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the moment when the schools decided, you know,

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Speaker 4: But also so do their mascots. There's mascots have great

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Speaker 2: Right? Did you know that the first cow bear mascots

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Speaker 3: I did not know that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, like in nineteen thirty, the cow football team decided,

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Speaker 4: The kids love it, right, So for five years they

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Speaker 4: control problems because there's a notoriously bad football fans. They

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Speaker 4: let me just to scratch somebody.

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Speaker 3: You know, I have a right to do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I support that.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm a hardcore football fans, so I have to

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Speaker 4: disagree with the Bears on this. But regardless, six years later,

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Speaker 4: right nineteen forty one, the school trots out a man

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Speaker 4: in a bear suit as the new mascot because of

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Speaker 4: all the control problems with the live bears. Right now,

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Speaker 4: when I say a bear suit, I'm being really generous. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: this was the new mascot was a dude wearing an

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Speaker 3: And added to this, he was just a big hairy

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Speaker 4: Well kind of but a picture a pair of gold

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Speaker 4: He wore a bear head. Ok but the bear head

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Speaker 2: Right. But the kids, they loved it. They see this

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Speaker 6: Oh okay, Elizabeth, Okay.

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Speaker 2: We have our bear and our musical tree.

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Speaker 4: Yes, all right, they are the avatars of this rivalry. Okay, Now,

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Speaker 4: The fight got so vicious that Oski's head came off

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Speaker 2: Wowow pretty much?

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Speaker 4: But this time, now that they've gotten a taste of

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Speaker 2: He gets a taste of blood.

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Speaker 3: The bloods.

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Speaker 2: We want more trees, pretty much.

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Speaker 4: I swear to got nineteen ninety seven Big game quote

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Speaker 4: Since these massacres, the Stanford Tree has not been seen

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Speaker 3: I do not remember any of this. This is crazy.

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Speaker 4: Now we get to the nineteen ninety eight Stanford Tree

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Speaker 4: a prank. I really don't know, but in quotes Brotherhood

441
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 4: of Activities. So what I can tell you is that

442
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,359
Speaker 4: the day was October seventeenth, nineteen ninety eight, the day

443
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 4: the tree got seventeenth.

444
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:15,360
Speaker 3: So that nineteen ninety eight.

445
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 2: So we're trying to remember where you were.

446
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 3: No, I'm thinking we're what.

447
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 2: Nine years after the earthquake, Yes, exactly.

448
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 3: I just hear October seventeen. You're like, go right to here,

449
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 3: and then like it's just the light comes through the

450
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,040
Speaker 3: blinds and I huddle over, and I hear a helicopter.

451
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 2: Yes, a Frenchman smoking a cigarette.

452
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 3: I have a thousand yards stare.

453
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 4: On the nine year anniversary the Loma Prieta quake, the

454
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,239
Speaker 4: Stanford students were doing what they call Cardinal Chaos. Now

455
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 4: Cardinal Chaos it's a big silly name for the first

456
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,679
Speaker 4: practice of the season for the men's and women's basketball teams.

457
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 2: That's literally what it is.

458
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 4: Anyways, So the Phoenix five they ride for Cardinal Chaos,

459
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 4: and they mingle in with the Stanford students who don't.

460
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 4: I guess they may have their own secret names whatever.

461
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 4: So everyone's in there in the Maples Pavilion gym where

462
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 4: the fight had happened two years earlier, and the Frat

463
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 4: Bros are now officially undercover on the Stanford campus and

464
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 4: they're like trying to cause mayhem, and they're looking at

465
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 4: each other and they're kiki in and stands and trying

466
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 4: to go, we should do a prank. But they haven't

467
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,400
Speaker 4: disgusted at all. They haven't decided what type of prank

468
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 4: they can do. They're imagining all the pranks they can do.

469
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 4: They're inside of Stanford, but no opportunities present themselves, so

470
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 4: they're like, let's leave, So Cardinal Chaos ends. They're like

471
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 4: they walk out of the stadium or the auditory or

472
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 4: whatever the gym.

473
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 3: Cardinal Chaos sounds like someone who would just like be

474
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 3: an absolute terror in Vatican City.

475
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 2: Coming in with the mad Red.

476
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 4: So the Bros they all head back to their car

477
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 4: in the parking lot Cardinal Chaos, and all a sudden

478
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 4: serendipity plays a hand because the Phoenix five spot the

479
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 4: Stanford Tree. Yes, the man inside the tree, Chris Henderson,

480
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 4: was busy loading the Stanford Tree into the hid of

481
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 4: his car. All right, plan is quickly hatched. Follow that tree.

482
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 4: So the bros all hop in their car and they

483
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,959
Speaker 4: follow Chris Anderson. So we're in Palo Alto, California, Stanford campus.

484
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 4: The Phoenix five are on the prow. They follow Chris

485
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 4: Anderson and he's the you know, the man in the tree.

486
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 4: And they get all the way back to the Stanford

487
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 4: band shack, now the Phoenix five park, and they sneak

488
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 4: up close. Henderson gets out and he goes, it'side the

489
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 4: band shack. They get up close, and what should they do?

490
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 4: Elizabeth just rush in, knock him out, take the tree.

491
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 4: What's the plan?

492
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

493
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 4: Well, they realized burn it down the shack with him.

494
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 4: It turns out they can hear music as they get closer.

495
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 4: There's a party going on. The band shack is a

496
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 4: rocking so don't come and knock in, right, So they

497
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 4: decide let's hide out. Right, they can't blend in. It's

498
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 4: too small. The band probably all knows each other. It's

499
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 4: not be like, hey, I'm with Scott Man.

500
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah that's cool.

501
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 4: So are these four guys? You'd be worring. So they're like,

502
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 4: I go, it's hide out. Let's wait. So I did

503
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 4: a bunch of research on this, as I told you.

504
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 4: Back in two thousand and eight, on the tenth anniversary

505
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 4: of the kidnapping of the Stanford Tree, the Daily Cow

506
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 4: interviewed one of the members of the Phoenix Five, and

507
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 4: he gave us valuable insights as to how they did

508
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 4: everything right the school paper. He's speaking of mister Orange, right,

509
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 4: mister Orange, he was a freshman at the time, youngest

510
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 4: member of the prank crew. He recalled that fateful night.

511
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 4: He remembered sneaking into the Stanford band shack. He said,

512
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 4: the group waited to the small hours of the morning, Elizabeth,

513
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 4: the purple hours. Right, here's mister Orange quote. Of course,

514
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,959
Speaker 4: there could still be passed out drunk Stanford band members

515
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 4: inside after the party ended. I remembered lots of nerves

516
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 4: during that time when we really couldn't be one hundred

517
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 4: percent sure that there were no people left inside the building.

518
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 4: So they're just like five nerds sweating it outside.

519
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 3: Right there did dork on dork Vine.

520
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 4: Exactly four am rolls around the coast. Is finally clear.

521
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 4: Two of the Phoenix five break into the band shack.

522
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 4: The other three wait outside keeping watch. Back to mister

523
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 4: howd quote it was pretty dark inside save a few

524
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 4: neon signs, et cetera. I remember there being discussion about

525
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 4: whether we're abandoned the whole thing.

526
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: That's how tenuous it was.

527
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't think I really thought too much

528
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 4: about the craziness of the whole situation at the time.

529
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 4: We were just focused on getting the job done without

530
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 4: getting caught.

531
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: Right.

532
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 4: So these two dudes inside, they scramble through an old

533
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 4: medical library. Then they find a hole in a wall.

534
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 4: They go through a hole in the wall and they

535
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 4: squeeze into the bandshack. They don't use like a door.

536
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 4: They find make their own weird way. Boom, they're inside

537
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 4: the banshack. There's nobody passed out drunk on the ground.

538
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 4: They see the tree, they grab the tree. It's four

539
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 4: in the morning, so they just walk out the front door.

540
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 4: Now they don't go back out to the medical library.

541
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 3: I know, a hole in the wall.

542
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: They got lucky. They just purely get lucky.

543
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 4: So now the Phoenix five disappear with the Stanford Tree

544
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 4: into the purple hours of dawn.

545
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: Huh gone, all right.

546
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 4: So now they've successfully walked out with Stanford's mascot, what

547
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 4: do they do, Elizabeth, they go racing safely back to

548
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 4: tow down, always with the fire. Well, luckily, mister Orenty

549
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 4: tells us what he did.

550
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: Quote.

551
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 4: Even though we managed to get our hands on the

552
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 4: tree in the very early hours of the morning, this

553
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 4: didn't mean that there couldn't be random students walking by,

554
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 4: cops passing by on the street, et cetera. In fact,

555
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 4: we actually did see a cop car pass as we

556
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 4: were planning things out behind the banshack. Oh danger, danger,

557
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 4: Will Robinson. And anyway, their plan to get away is

558
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 4: let's stuff the Stanford Tree into the back seat of

559
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 4: the car and just tear us out of here. Yeah,

560
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 4: but they can't get five people and the Stanford tree

561
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 4: into like whatever little car they have.

562
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 2: So, as mister recalled.

563
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 4: Quote, remember it was a nine to ten foot tall

564
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 4: costume with a ton of material, even though it was

565
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 4: a somewhat collapsible. I don't know about the other guys,

566
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 4: but I more or less felt like it was a

567
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 4: mission that we had to accomplish in the stealthiest way possible.

568
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: We were very aware that we were in hostile territory.

569
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 4: Oh God, take a little serious, right, So the frat

570
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 4: Bros's side, they'd have a plan to make it right, right,

571
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 4: So they shoved the tree in the back of the car.

572
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 4: Two bros hop in, they drive off. Apparently I think

573
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 4: one of their family members lives in Palo Alto, because

574
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 4: they went to a quote safe house and then they

575
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 4: tucked the tree right, and then they looked just be cool, right,

576
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 4: and then they drive back and they get back to

577
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 4: the three camp the three kids at the left on campus.

578
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 4: They load them in the car boom. They leave Palo

579
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 4: Alto back to Berkeley to get another car, and then

580
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 4: they come back, get the tree and go back to Berkeley.

581
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 4: And then they finally managed to sneak it into the

582
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 4: frat house and they just go into I believe mister

583
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 4: Black's room and just shove it in the back right.

584
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 4: Lots of shoven of this poor tree. So now they've

585
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 4: successfully stolen the Stanford Tree.

586
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: So what do they do now?

587
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

588
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 4: Well, based on all the prank wars and the fights

589
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 4: and the riots has been leading up to it, they

590
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 4: wait for the chaos to erupt, so all hell they

591
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 4: know will break loose. First up, they decide, okay, let's

592
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 4: let's just not tell anybody anything. They don't even tell

593
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 4: their other frat brothers what they've done. They keep it secret.

594
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 4: The Phoenix five hush hush, right, So they wait a

595
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 4: week passes, right, and turns out the police decide to

596
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 4: investigate this as a break in and robbery and they

597
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 4: label it as a felony. This means years in prison

598
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 4: are going to being discussed by the police.

599
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: What's the value of the tree? Did they?

600
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 5: Oh?

601
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, they get into that. I'll tell you about that

602
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 4: in a second. So the Phoenix five they're laying low superheroes,

603
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 4: hiding out in their secret layer or whatever. And as

604
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 4: I told you, they told no one, right, And eventually

605
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 4: Stanford Daily newspaper a week after the crime, they publish

606
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 4: a feature story Stanford tree stolen, you know, And there,

607
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 4: of course they immediately assume it's cow students who are

608
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 4: behind the tree hate crime.

609
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 2: Right.

610
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 4: Chris Henderson, the guy inside the tree, He tells the

611
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 4: student paper that he'd seen three or four people following

612
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 4: him around outside the Maples Pavilion parking lot. Why is

613
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: it always three to four people? Do human beings have

614
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: a hard time counting past three? When it's word stress?

615
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: Were like three? I'm going everything's belonging possibly four.

616
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 4: I can't say, honestly, every time we hear this, it's

617
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 4: amazing that number. It's never five to six, never two

618
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 4: to three, it's always three to four. Anyway, guy in

619
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 4: the tree, Chris Anderson, he tells the press he'd notice

620
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 4: these three to four guys who'd followed him to the

621
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 4: Stanford banchack, probably college students. And now the finger of

622
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 4: blame is squarely pointed a cow. So the story is

623
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 4: out there. The Phoenix five de side, let's reveal ourselves.

624
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 4: So they step into the limelight. Three days after the

625
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 4: Stanford paper breaks loose, the Daily Californian prints there front

626
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 4: page story a feature interview with the Phoenix five. The

627
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 4: pranksters lord their people powered success over the private students

628
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 4: of Stanford. They claimed that they liberated the tree. They

629
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: said the tree had been unhappy at Stanford, and that

630
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 4: can now that it's been at cal it's learned the

631
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 4: value of hard work and diversity and the true spirit

632
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 4: of a campus. Meanwhile, the tree also has by the

633
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 4: way pend and open letter, so there's a letter from

634
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 4: the tree. Also in the paper. The Stanford Tree reportedly writes, quote,

635
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 4: I'm sick of the farm. The Phoenix five have introduced

636
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 4: me to the outside world. Now once he'd seen the

637
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 4: outside world and col and he had opinions on the

638
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: two schools, and the Trees then declared, quote cal a

639
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 4: superior university, a Stanford an inferior one. So they're using

640
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 4: the tree for their propaganda. At this point, the tree

641
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 4: also claimed that it was thankful to be free of

642
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 4: Stanford and its snotty rich kid private school students. However,

643
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: briefly and the Tree also promised that it would be

644
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 4: back onto the Stanford sideline before the big game quote

645
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 4: even though he knows that Stanford is full of a

646
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 4: bunch of weenies. So for the ten year anniversary look

647
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 4: back the Daily Cow. They asked mister Orange why the

648
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 4: Phoenix five decided to go down the hostage taken route

649
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 4: as their communication with the world right.

650
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: Mister Orange said, quote.

651
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 4: As far as the hostage taker deal is concerned, I

652
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 4: think there was an initial meeting where we planned all

653
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 4: these things out, i e. The name of the group

654
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: sending in the initial letter and the picture to the

655
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 4: Daily Cow. Remember, everything happened extremely fast, and we took

656
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 4: the tree. Nothing happened for almost an entire week until

657
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: the story broke in the Stanford Daily. Then we had

658
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: that quickly to demonstrate that the tree was on the

659
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 4: Cow campus and to dissuade others from claiming responsibility. Of course,

660
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 4: as smart data kuys, we had to come up with

661
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 4: the wittiest approach. We had lots of fun writ in

662
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 4: that first letter in the persona of the tree, trying

663
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 4: to trash Stanford in the best way possible. So now

664
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: that we have this story in the student paper from

665
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 4: Stanford and now one from Cow, the other people decided

666
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 4: to take this very seriously. The people that I'm talking

667
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 4: about are the police and the school administrations.

668
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: Oh so u C.

669
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: Berkeley, Channe, Robert Birdall. He comes in hot and heavy.

670
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 4: He had obvious motives because you know, as the head

671
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 4: of the university, he'd overseen now a few years of

672
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 4: fights and pranks. They've grown more intense. Now he's got

673
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 4: a riot and then this year he's got a kidnapping. Yeah,

674
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 4: and he's like, I'm starting to look bad, right. So

675
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 4: he also imagined that come the big game, Stanford fans

676
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 4: would be walking past, as you know, all the Cow

677
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 4: fraternity roads to get to up to the stadium and

678
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 4: that they would probably be eager to fight the bros.

679
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 4: The bros would probably be eager to fight, and then

680
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 4: he'd have once again an even bigger ride. Maybe somebody

681
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 4: would get hurt or you know whatever. So he comes

682
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 4: out with a tersely worded statement. He called the prank

683
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 4: quote outright theft, and the chancellor announced that the police

684
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 4: would be brought in. He also issued an ultimatum. He

685
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 4: told the tree nappers had until the big game to

686
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 4: return the stolen tree or else right else, Yeah, so.

687
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: That the or else.

688
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 4: The Phoenix five were like, well, what would happen? So

689
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 4: the chancellor he had an answer for that. He said

690
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 4: that the cow mascot Osci the Bear, would be barred

691
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 4: from the next Cow game against Oregon State. Treenappers had

692
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 4: three days or else.

693
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: He was prepared to kidnap a mascot of his own. Darts. Yeah, anyway,

694
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: the mascot theft.

695
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 4: This becomes news far beyond the universities, the student populations,

696
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 4: The Bay area newspapers start reporting on it, the TV

697
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 4: stations start reporting on it. The story gets bigger and bigger,

698
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 4: and then it becomes national news. Eventually, Sports illustrated his

699
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 4: writing about it. Days are passing, the deadline approaches, would

700
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: the tree resurface?

701
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: Right?

702
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 4: So the Bay Area news teams they send cameras out

703
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 4: to report live from the University of cow on the

704
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 4: day of the midnight deadline.

705
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: They wait with the police department, and they waited, and

706
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: they waited some more. No tree.

707
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 4: So instead there was a news conference broadcast live from

708
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 4: an elementary school parking lot. Okay, and after this break,

709
00:31:44,640 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 4: I'll tell you all about that news conference. All right, Elizabeth,

710
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 4: I promised you a news conference.

711
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: Yes you did.

712
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: You've been waiting on baited breath an.

713
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: Elementary school parking lot. I am here for it.

714
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: You know what, rather than just discuss it, look, just

715
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: close your up my picture. It it's nighttime in the

716
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: Bay Area. The autumn breeze is brisk.

717
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: You are growing cold standing in an empty parking lot

718
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 4: of an elementary school in the Oakland Hills. Elizabeth, you

719
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 4: are a camera woman from the local Fox affiliate KTVU

720
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 4: Channel two. You've been sent out on assignment to record

721
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 4: a press conference with the Phoenix five. You have rigged

722
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 4: a two camera setup for the live feed. One camera

723
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 4: is on sticks. That's industry talk for a tripod. The

724
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 4: second camera is a should mounted job that you plan

725
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 4: to use for close ups and some wild coverage of

726
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 4: the late night press conference. There are no other media outlets.

727
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: There, just you.

728
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 4: The KTVU Channel two reporter five college dates guys wearing

729
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 4: halloween masks and balaklava ski masks, and they are holding

730
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 4: captive a ten foot tall tree costume, the Stanford Tree.

731
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 4: That's the reason you're in this elementary school parking lot.

732
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 4: You rack the focus and you set a clean image

733
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 4: of mister Green, spokesman for the Phoenix five. The KTVU

734
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 4: reporter steps into the shot. Okay, let's do one. She

735
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 4: raises the mic into the shot and ask mister.

736
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: Green, how is the tree.

737
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 4: The Stanford Tree is still unharmed, and he tells the

738
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: reporter how it's fine. And you can see for yourself

739
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 4: this Phoenix five drag the Stanford Tree into the shot.

740
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 4: The mask men promise that the tree has been treated

741
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 4: well as you can see, and further, it would be

742
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: returned to the weenies at Stanford before the big game.

743
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 4: You try to squelch a little laugh at their jokes,

744
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 4: but they go on as they say, truth be told,

745
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: The tree may never want to return to Stanford. Now

746
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 4: the decene life outside the private school. The frat rose

747
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 4: tawk a little more smack, then they laugh and they

748
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: start to dance around with the Stanford Tree. You now

749
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 4: have to swivel around to keep their shot. As the

750
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 4: Stanford Tree and the frat roser dancing around in the

751
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 4: parking lot, now you really can't help but smile. It's

752
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 4: become just ridiculous. You're also getting colder by the minute.

753
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: The news reporter is still trying to do a straight

754
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 4: interview with the tree case, but it's pretty much impossible

755
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: now that the frat rows have broken into dance. It's

756
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 4: like a real live crime musical. The reporter asked when

757
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 4: the Phoenix five planned to return the tree to the

758
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: students of Stanford. But the Phoenix five just laugh and

759
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 4: keep dancing around with the Stanford Tree. You wonder how

760
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 4: much of this you have to shoot before you can

761
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 4: just load up the cameras and go because you want

762
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: to go home, crawl back in bed and watch reruns

763
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 4: in your favorite Barry a show restaurant review check please Yes.

764
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: As the cold evening.

765
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 4: Air chills your cheeks, you long for your pillow. The

766
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 4: reporter gives you the signal this interview is done. You

767
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 4: pack up as a frat Rose continue to dance around

768
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 4: the parking lot with the tree in there stolen glee

769
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 4: the mascot dancing with them and their wicked revelry. They're

770
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 4: busy making memories.

771
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 3: They are.

772
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, that proof of life video gets broadcast by

773
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 4: k TVU around the bay. It's another outsized reaction to follow.

774
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 4: Enter the Stanford Police. They don't see the humor in this.

775
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: A man by the name of Captain Raould and Memeier

776
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 4: steps forward, the Stanford Police Captain. He makes public comments

777
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 4: of his own, he says, he goes to the news meeting.

778
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 2: He says, the Stanford tre tree is practically priceless. Remember

779
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: you asked me how much. He puts a dollar amount

780
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: on it.

781
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 3: Practically pricelessly priceless.

782
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 4: But if a monetary value were to be assigned to

783
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 4: the tree, it would be worth well over one thousand.

784
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: Dollars practically price.

785
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: I know a price for most people.

786
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 4: One thousand dollars would not sound like very much, but

787
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 4: it does qualify the theft as grand larceny, which makes

788
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 4: it a felony. So the Phoenix fiver looking at real

789
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 4: prison time. If Captain Neemeyer has anything.

790
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: To say about it is jurisdiction.

791
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: Well, the humorless cop went on to say, if you

792
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 4: do the crime, you do the time.

793
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 3: You kidding.

794
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 2: Yes.

795
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, the Barrier, newspapers, the TV stations, they continue to

796
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 4: cover the story because now they got one with real

797
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 4: legs and it's running. So in fact, they become a

798
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 4: part of the story. Ransoms get raised, one by a

799
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 4: local newspaper, another by a sporting good company. They promise

800
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 4: if the tree is returned unharmed, they will donate fifty

801
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 4: thousand dollars to a local Christmas tree charity.

802
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: A Christmas tree charity. Yeah, later down the air, I

803
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: feel like calmless Christmas tree to get trees home.

804
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: So Lizabeth get these trees a home, if.

805
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: Only for three weeks.

806
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 2: Now, I think he's to give him out people who

807
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: can't afford.

808
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: Christmas tree awareness.

809
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really it's a holy Kito tie and

810
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 4: like a little ribbon you put on the tree. Anyway,

811
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 4: guy inside the tree, remember him, Chris Anderson. Yeah, he

812
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 4: jumps forward again. He speaks out.

813
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: He kind of wish he was in the tree the

814
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: whole time.

815
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 4: He's had He does too, he has had enough. He

816
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 4: becomes really aggressive for a man who's best known as

817
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 4: the bone structure of a tree Henderson. He releases his

818
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 4: own statement to the press as the guy inside the tree.

819
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 4: He mocks the tree n appers, and he tells that

820
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 4: the phoenix five quote stop talking to a pile of

821
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 4: fabric can show a little back bone.

822
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: So he didn't fight over the tree.

823
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 4: Now, the students from both campuses, you may be wondering,

824
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 4: what did you think about this prank? Well, most of

825
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 4: them thought it. His harm was fun. Some just wanted

826
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 4: to it all go away. Others were like, who knows

827
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 4: who cares? Right, They took your approach. But there was

828
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 4: one cow student. I found a freshman on the rugby team,

829
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 4: Teddy Miller. He admitted that he was no big fan

830
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 4: of Oscary calam mascot. He said, quote, I'm pretty lukewarm

831
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: about him, right, But my favorite part is that he

832
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 4: went on and he wanted to make sure that he

833
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 4: could kind of run down the handshake of Oscy.

834
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: He said back to Teddy Miller, and he got wet hands.

835
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 4: I shook hands with him two or three times in

836
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 4: my life, and every time I've had to wipe my

837
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 4: hands on my pants.

838
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 3: He's shaking his hand more than once.

839
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 4: Yes, I'll give him another chance, so win me over.

840
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 4: Staring it, Osky, this is your third chance? Is the

841
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 4: last one? Three strikes?

842
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: You're out?

843
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 6: Bear?

844
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the guy is in like a fur suit. Well, yeah,

845
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: he's allowed to have sweaty hands.

846
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: Who doesn't like a moist bear? Really?

847
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 4: You know, I mean come on, but anyway, back to

848
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 4: the grill again, the grill again, Elizabeth? Where were we?

849
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 4: That's right, stolen tree. Yes, a chancellor was threatening to

850
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 4: abduct our mascot product his own mascot to get back

851
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 4: at school. All right, And the students, what did you

852
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 4: think about that part of the whole mascot?

853
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: Kerfuffled? Like? Were they like?

854
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: I think the administration's being a little silly, like of

855
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 4: anybody there being the ridiculous ones. Well, I'll tell you

856
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 4: this much. Some of the students pointed out that this

857
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 4: was a fifty seven year old, sweaty, clammy handed bear

858
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 4: mascot who really gives a darn right? Right, So, like

859
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 4: you know, Teddy Miller would be proud of these students.

860
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: But anyway, setting aside all the empty threats to Oski.

861
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 4: What about the more real threats of felonies that the

862
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 4: knee Myers throwing around for the students. Well that apply pressure?

863
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 4: Would the other students come to them like, hey man,

864
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 4: you can't making Theta Kai look bad or whatever?

865
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: Right?

866
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 4: Well, back to mister Orange from the Phoenix five, because

867
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 4: he says that basically the dudes in the frat house

868
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: were trying to be you know, cooler than Canna Reeves

869
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 4: and a pretend gunfight. So, as mister Orange said, quote,

870
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 4: in all honesty, we knew that no one had a

871
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: clue who we were at the outset. We got the

872
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 4: tree without anyone seeing us. So the whole police investigation

873
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 4: was a big sham. They claimed that they had stopped

874
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 4: a car with five cow students on campus that night,

875
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 4: but to this day, I don't know whether that actually

876
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 4: happened or if it was just some attempt to.

877
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 2: Get us out into the open.

878
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 4: Right, because me comes forward, he's like, we're gonna check

879
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 4: the DMV because we pulled over these students, and they're like, oh,

880
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: I'll go for it.

881
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: Whatn't us?

882
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 6: Yeah?

883
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 4: Anyway, So other than the police tricks, So what did

884
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 4: the boys parents think because you know, if they're gonna

885
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 4: get kicked out of school or go to prison over

886
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 4: a stolen bear. I mean, I think my parents would

887
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 4: be mad, pissed. And I'm just saying well, mister Orange

888
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 4: once again said quote, cooler heads prevailed now. He also

889
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 4: said quote, I think out of the five, I was

890
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 4: the one who felt the least amount of pressure. I

891
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 4: was a seventeen year old freshman, not living at the house.

892
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 4: I was a minor in the legal sense, and not

893
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 4: around the actual tree on a regular basis since it

894
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 4: was being kept at the house for a while. The

895
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 4: older guys in the group obviously felt more pressure as

896
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 4: time went on, as more people were finding out about

897
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 4: our involvement. So yeah, now that they got like the

898
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 4: circle of swelling to snitch on them. So our youngest

899
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 4: of the crew, mister Orange, he's not feeling the same

900
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 4: pressure as the older guys, right. He wants to keep

901
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 4: the tree. He's like, let's run this table man. And

902
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 4: I quote once again from him, quote, there were major

903
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 4: discussions concerning whether to return the tree.

904
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: I was lobbing to.

905
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 4: Hold onto it until the big gang take it on

906
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 4: a road trip. But the older guys in the group

907
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 4: probably had better information on exactly how close we were

908
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 4: to being discovered. So yeah, we never did get close

909
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 4: to being caught, and I'm pretty sure we could have

910
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 4: held out a little longer and done more fun things

911
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 4: with the tree. But again, as the youngest, I wasn't

912
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 4: in the best position to make the important decisions.

913
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: Oh Man Horn's storytelling kills me.

914
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: So at this point in the kidnapping ordeal, right, some

915
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 4: of the tree nappers facing serious life changing penalties.

916
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: Mister Orange is like, he.

917
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 4: Tells, like, oh, well, I'll just leave it to him

918
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 4: because I don't want to he tells the story, so, well, yeah,

919
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 4: here I go. One was up for a big scholarship.

920
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 4: Mister Yellow could have been deported, at least that was

921
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 4: the claim. So even though I was really disappointed that

922
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 4: the tree was returned after such a short period of time,

923
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: I can understand they were coming from. So now apparently

924
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 4: there's threats of deportation for various members of the Phoenix five.

925
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 4: So that's a bit of a rough one, getting kicked

926
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 4: out of Cow because of a stolen tree. Anyway, the

927
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 4: big game comes, So Elizabeth, is there going to be

928
00:40:59,000 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 4: a tree?

929
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 6: Hmmm?

930
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: No.

931
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 4: On the day before Halloween, two weeks after the theft

932
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: of the Stanford Tree and after the original missed ultimatum

933
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: in deadline, a call comes into the UC Berkeley Chancellor's office.

934
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 4: On the line is a representative for the Phoenix five.

935
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: He claims that he knows.

936
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 4: Where the Stanford Tree is, and he reports that it

937
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 4: is fine, unharmed, and better yet, he would return it

938
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 4: to the Chancellor's office, but on one condition. Amnesty for

939
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 4: the thieves.

940
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, total.

941
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 4: So the Chancellor agrees to the terms yes, and the

942
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 4: Stanford DNAs students also agrees to the terms. Four PM,

943
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 4: an older man described as quote older than a normal

944
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: student who identified himself only as Rishard, walks into the

945
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Speaker 4: Chancellor's office. In his hand was a plastic bag. In

946
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 4: that plastic bag was the ten foot tall Stanford Tree.

947
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 4: He handed over the kidnapping victim to the Chancellor's assistant.

948
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 4: The bag gets open, the Tamford Tree is inspected. There's

949
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 4: indeed no damage. Oh well except for well, there was

950
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 4: no real damage, right, it's just like, oh, it's a

951
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 4: little bit wet, you know. They're like it's kind of

952
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 4: smelled moldy or whatever. Right, So the it's confirmed. Richard

953
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 4: walks off, never has to talk to anybody. UC Berkeley

954
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 4: police sees the tree. Officers escort it back down to

955
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: Stanford in a blue Ford Taurus.

956
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 3: Yes.

957
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 4: The police reported that during the trip, the Stanford tree

958
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: was quote very well behaved and very cordial and polite. O.

959
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: Everyone's a cop humor exactly.

960
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 2: Now.

961
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 4: Once it's back at Stanford, the administration performed a second

962
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: examination because I want to make sure they got the

963
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 4: right tree. Can't be trying to like push no fake

964
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 4: trees on us here. We ain't no punk over Stanford anyway.

965
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 4: Former guy inside the tree, not the one currently, but

966
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 4: a former one, Chris Carry. He is apparently on hand

967
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 4: for the examination, so he later would tell the press quote,

968
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 4: he looks okay. He looks a little skinny, but we'll

969
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 4: put him back on a diet of steroids and wheat

970
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 4: grass and he should be okay for the big game.

971
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

972
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 4: So now for a publicity stuck Carrie tries on the

973
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 4: tree in the office, decides it's fine, it's fits, there's

974
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 4: no problems with it. Then another Stanford student who shows

975
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 4: up in a quote Tree Protective Services shirt, handcuffs the

976
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 4: Stanford tree and declares that the tree is now under

977
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 4: his protection and walks away. The police chief Neemuyer, he

978
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: also had his two cents the original joker. He says,

979
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 4: quote that the tree was going to be secured in

980
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 4: our evidence room, which is alarmed, and we do have

981
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 4: armed deputies there. So I got to say, threatening to

982
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 4: shoot someone in order to protect a trash bag filled

983
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 4: with the tree costumes so very American. Once the school

984
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 4: had its tree back, Stanford administration agrees, what dropping all charges,

985
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 4: you know, the criminal content all it's out the window.

986
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: Right.

987
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Chancellor bird All from Berkeley, he gives an interview

988
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 4: and he says to the Daily Cow that he found

989
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: the prank to be quote pretty funny in a sense,

990
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 4: and that the Phoenix five had operated quote with a degree.

991
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: Of wit and charm end quote.

992
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 4: But again he reiterated that his imagined fears of riots

993
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 4: and murders happening because of the stolen tree, and he said,

994
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 4: you know, a prank like that could lead to real violence. Now, finally,

995
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 4: the Phoenix five they got to have the last say.

996
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 4: Just before they handed over the hostage tree, they faxed

997
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 4: in a communicate that blamed quote a hostile climate for

998
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 4: their choice to return the tree. They added, quote, gone

999
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: are the days of healthy rivalry in which students of

1000
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 4: opposing schools could pull pranks on each other in the.

1001
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: Name of school spirit.

1002
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 4: Now, later on, for the Big Game edition of The

1003
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 4: Daily Cow, the Phoenix Five were again given a platform.

1004
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: They said, quote, we wanted to pump up the rivalry,

1005
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 4: make it a cow spirit thing and poke fun at Stanford.

1006
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 4: With a rivalry like this, you gotta live in it.

1007
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 4: You've got to do something with it. Otherwise, why bother

1008
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 4: having it? That's a point, right, so to have the

1009
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,959
Speaker 4: last laugh. The next year, the nineteen ninety nine edition

1010
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 4: of The Big Game, The Daily Cow ran the story

1011
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 4: that featured a photo of the Phoenix Five.

1012
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: Revealing their identities for all the world to see. And

1013
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: why not.

1014
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 4: They gotten away with it and they got amnesty. Meanwhile,

1015
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 4: there was Stanford's response to this whole tree kidnapping kerfuffle.

1016
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 4: A little while after the Stanford Tree was returned, the

1017
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 4: Stanford band brought it out for the Stanford USC Game.

1018
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 3: That's a big one.

1019
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, private school on private school, rich kids on rich kids, right,

1020
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 4: and they go out there to pump up the crowd.

1021
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 4: The band at halftime, the band wheels out a wood

1022
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 4: chipper and the Stanford Band They claimed that their fellow

1023
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: band member, the Stanford Tree, had been quote contaminated by

1024
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 4: its time with the public school students of UC Berkeley,

1025
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 4: and in order to purify the now soiled Stanford Tree,

1026
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 4: they shoved this tree headfirst into the wood chipper. Boom,

1027
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 4: Stanford Tree is no more just a pile of Stanford toothpicks.

1028
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 4: But boom, all of a sudden, there's a surprise out

1029
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 4: comes a new Stanford Tree, revealed to be better and

1030
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 4: pure clean. Now, when he was asked about Stanford's choice

1031
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 4: to you know, destroy their own tree and a wood chipper,

1032
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 4: Old mister Orange had this to say, really took a

1033
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 4: liking to us after spending some time in Berkeley, and

1034
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 4: we kind of got attached to it as well, So

1035
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 4: a slow, painful death wouldn't have been appropriate. But even

1036
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 4: though the Ferdies felt it necessary to put it through

1037
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 4: a wood chipper, I'm sure the process was a quick

1038
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: one and the suffering was minimal. I still don't understand

1039
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 4: why they do that to their own mascot. But nothing

1040
00:45:53,920 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 4: really surprised me as about Stanford or its students versus

1041
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 4: kids the war. That's what you missed in the late

1042
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 4: nineties while you were away. So what's our ridiculous takeaway?

1043
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: I think that again, dork on dork, violence is always entertaining.

1044
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 2: It's no Texas versus eight Mores say.

1045
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: They're worried about riots. It's like, honey, take a look

1046
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: at what could.

1047
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: Happen, Like, go down to look at Texas. What they

1048
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: did they called in the military.

1049
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 3: Texas means business.

1050
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: They had hunters shooting at people.

1051
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 3: But I mean, I mean, as much as I roll

1052
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 3: my eyes at all their like dorky humor about it,

1053
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: I do appreciate this kind of stuff. I think it's

1054
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: you know, we need these kind of dramatics to keep

1055
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: things interesting, better that than serious problems.

1056
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 4: And it creates a sense of community. And you know,

1057
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 4: obviously as long as no one really gets hurt, you know,

1058
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 4: I think these things are fun. And it's always once

1059
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 4: again the imagined fears that we we lose things because

1060
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 4: of what someone imagines, not because of what occurred.

1061
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you said that, now they squash it down.

1062
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they play you all that, they do not.

1063
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 4: Ever since then, they've always said because it's there have

1064
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 4: been other pranks since then, and then they've always threatened

1065
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 4: police action and legal consequences. They've they followed the hard

1066
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 4: line ever since then. So ever since bird All, Chancellor

1067
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 4: bird All put down. There's a serious stuff for bringing

1068
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 4: in the cops. It's always been that. Before that, that

1069
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 4: was not the case. It's always like you, guys.

1070
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 3: Well, let's go over and encourage them to do it again,

1071
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 3: bring it back.

1072
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 4: I say, we go steal it all right, there's Ridiculous

1073
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 4: Crime steals Osky, both Osky and.

1074
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: The tree, and then we make them kiss.

1075
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's it.

1076
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: That's all I got for it.

1077
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 3: That's excellent.

1078
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for listening.

1079
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 4: You can find us online always at ridiculous Crime on

1080
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 4: Twitter and on Instagram and on the internet at ridiculous

1081
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,759
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1082
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,120
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1083
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 4: stuff on Twitter, and we got the talkback app on iHeart,

1084
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,400
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1085
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 4: can talk at us, yes, so yeah, there you go.

1086
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,279
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1087
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 4: gmail dot com. We always like hearing from you. Thanks

1088
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:04,960
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1089
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,960
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1090
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,200
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