Speaker 1: Welcome to massive territory, ladies and gentlemen with that was
Speaker 1: a stinker hitter at Famway Park. It looked like a
Speaker 1: beautiful day at Famway Park. They had the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame hat song. That was pretty fun. That was pretty snazzy. Actually,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about those hats? Actually? I kind
Speaker 1: of liked them. I don't know what it is like.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just liked. I mean, obviously I
Speaker 1: like the logo better now, but I just like the
Speaker 1: bigger B. I don't know, it's just a bit more red.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's jumped off a little bit. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I like the hats. I didn't like the game here
Speaker 1: very much. Today Red Sox lose six nothing. Record is
Speaker 1: at fifty three and fifty. You're still hanging on to
Speaker 1: the second wildcard Cleveland is we got a lot of
Speaker 1: games about to start up now, Cleveland. If they win
Speaker 1: here today, they'll move into the second wildcard spot. So
Speaker 1: something to pay attention to. It was the Dylan Cease
Speaker 1: Show here today. You had nothing against Dylan c I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna get cy young votes. He's looked incredible
Speaker 1: this year. You saw it on full display here today.
Speaker 1: He had a perfect game going through four and two
Speaker 1: thirds Durban. Finally they were able to break it up.
Speaker 1: Got the walk to break up the perfect game. You
Speaker 1: got the first hit of the game from the Red
Speaker 1: Sox Monasteria with a double sixteenth on the year. In
Speaker 1: the sixth inning, Long almost had a home run here today.
Speaker 1: I actually was wondering if they were going to reverse that,
Speaker 1: but he just missed it. He ended up striking out
Speaker 1: after that. But yeah, Dylan Cees, he was fantastic here today.
Speaker 1: Double digit strikeouts, only one hit allowed. What else is
Speaker 1: there to say? And Sonny Gray, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: he was the complete opposite. This was easily his worst
Speaker 1: start since Minnesota. I hate to bring up bad memories.
Speaker 1: We do not want to talk about that Minnesota series.
Speaker 1: Holy cow, remember the Twins. Goodness gracious getting to Garrett Crochet.
Speaker 1: They got to Sonny Gray the next time out. That
Speaker 1: was easily his worst performance since then. Give up ten hits,
Speaker 1: five earned, gave up a homer here today, and it
Speaker 1: was just not a great day. You know, second time
Speaker 1: on the year, giving up five earned, first time on
Speaker 1: the year, giving up ten hits the third inning. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was pretty much all the Blue Jays needed here today.
Speaker 1: Funny enough, he got the first couple of outs. He
Speaker 1: struck out Jimenez, he got Venezuela on the ground out.
Speaker 1: But after that they were just coming to town with
Speaker 1: the hits here. Lucas with a double the left, Vlad
Speaker 1: with the base hit made it one nothing, Okamoto with
Speaker 1: a bass hit, Springer with the three run shot made
Speaker 1: it four to nothing. I mean it was it was
Speaker 1: already done after the Vlad bass hit, but still he
Speaker 1: couldn't get it right after that, var Show with a
Speaker 1: bass hit, Clement with Ernie Clement with a double, they
Speaker 1: made it five nothing. Later on Lucas Vlad adding on
Speaker 1: a little bit more six runs under the day for
Speaker 1: the Blue Jays. That was all she wrote. There's really
Speaker 1: not a whole lot to talk about. I mean, I'd
Speaker 1: love to be able to talk about even some rallies
Speaker 1: of the Red Sox are trying to put together. Not
Speaker 1: one here today, so we're really not going to focus
Speaker 1: a whole lot on this game. That was all you
Speaker 1: need to know here today, ladies and gentlemen. Let's move
Speaker 1: on game three. He's on the game three, and hey
Speaker 1: got a couple of Vets on the mound here tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Ranger Suarez. Kevin Gosman. Gosman, this has been a weird
Speaker 1: year for him. I mean it's been a weird year
Speaker 1: for the Blue Jays in general. Obviously they're looking like
Speaker 1: I mean today, they didn't look like sellers here today.
Speaker 1: But you know, with how their season is gone, you
Speaker 1: know it's looking like they're gonna be making some moves.
Speaker 1: Kevin Gosman is easily near the top of that list,
Speaker 1: if not at the top of the list of guys
Speaker 1: the Blue Jays could move. He's been a great pick
Speaker 1: up for them over the years. I mean, we've seen
Speaker 1: firsthand this guy just dominate the Red Sox over the
Speaker 1: last few years. He's had a weird year himself. Twenty
Speaker 1: one games. Oh Ray is in the mid fours at
Speaker 1: a four point five to one. The FIP is a
Speaker 1: lot better at a three point six eight, so that
Speaker 1: suggests to me he's just getting a little unlucky. The
Speaker 1: badhip is pretty high with him over the last few starts, though,
Speaker 1: he's been getting knocked around. Against Tampa last time out,
Speaker 1: he only went three and a third. He gave up
Speaker 1: nine hits, five runs, four were earned. Before that against
Speaker 1: the Padreys, he was better against the Padres six innings,
Speaker 1: had a quality start, eight strikeouts, but then against San
Speaker 1: Francisco a few times or back on July sixth, five
Speaker 1: and a third, five hits, four earned, only seven or
Speaker 1: he gave up seven runs, four were earned, he struck
Speaker 1: out eight. So yeah, it's just been a weird year.
Speaker 1: Before that he went six, he went six innings, one earned,
Speaker 1: but then the start before that he gave up ten hits,
Speaker 1: six earned three home runs against the Rangers. So it's
Speaker 1: just been very odd for Gosman this year. We're not
Speaker 1: used to seeing that very much. But yeah, with Gosman,
Speaker 1: it's a very high batting average on balls and play
Speaker 1: three ZHO six. So it's gonna be interesting to see
Speaker 1: if he does get moved and where he ends up landing.
Speaker 1: I think you got to you gotta have a good
Speaker 1: defense behind him, especially in the outfield. He's more of
Speaker 1: a flyball guy. But we'll see the Red Sox can
Speaker 1: do anything against him. Again, He's pitched very well against
Speaker 1: the Red Sox over the last few years. However, for
Speaker 1: the Red Sox, you got Ranger Suarez on the mound.
Speaker 1: First start since coming back from the IL. At least
Speaker 1: that's what it's looking like right now that he is
Speaker 1: right now the projected starter. We had that the what
Speaker 1: was it again for the Orioles series that ended up
Speaker 1: not happening, So hopefully this ends up happening here. But
Speaker 1: Ranger Suarez, obviously, we we know how good he's been
Speaker 1: this year when healthy, and you're going for the series win. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, like, obviously, I want these I
Speaker 1: want these series wins. I want all the wins. But man,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it feels weird talking about a series loss.
Speaker 1: I mean, we had three weeks of just nothing but
Speaker 1: winning baseball. I don't want to talk about a series
Speaker 1: loss tomorrow. Oh it sounds I don't want that. But
Speaker 1: you think about it. With the Red Sox here, they've
Speaker 1: been grinding out some of these games as of late.
Speaker 1: You go back, you had a couple against the Rays,
Speaker 1: you had that back and forth game against the Orioles
Speaker 1: last night against the Blue Jays, right you had to
Speaker 1: figure it out late in game. You just feel like
Speaker 1: they're grinding a little bit. And listen, I get it.
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, you win fifteen games in a row.
Speaker 1: For crying out loud. What was it, nineteen out of
Speaker 1: twenty one? So yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised that
Speaker 1: they're starting to kind of even Yeah, they had the
Speaker 1: All Star break too, but goodness gracious, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if they're a little mentally tired at this point.
Speaker 1: But that tells me you feel like you got to
Speaker 1: add something here at this deadline. We all know this,
Speaker 1: We've talked about this a million times. But you saw
Speaker 1: it here today going up against one of the best
Speaker 1: pictures in baseball and Dylan Cees. You saw it against
Speaker 1: Kyle Bradish The guy looked great running up against some
Speaker 1: good pitching lately and just not really able to do much.
Speaker 1: Combine that with you feel like you feel like they
Speaker 1: need a little something right going up. You know obviously
Speaker 1: how they've been doing against this good pitching. I feel
Speaker 1: like they need another bat here. I feel like they
Speaker 1: need another bat. We're going to talk about an article
Speaker 1: that came out here today. I'm not gonna spend too
Speaker 1: long on it because I have, like, you know, one
Speaker 1: or two thoughts on it. I'm not going to dive
Speaker 1: deep into it. But a little something on Franklin Arius
Speaker 1: being mentioned as a trade candidate. Spoiler alert. I don't
Speaker 1: buy it, so we'll get into that in just a
Speaker 1: little bit. But yeah, pitching match up again tomorrow Rainger
Speaker 1: Suarez Kevin Gosmin. It is an early afternoon game, one
Speaker 1: thirty five Eastern time start time. Good to see Ranger
Speaker 1: Suarez back on the mountains. One more thing with Kevin Gosmin.
Speaker 1: Forgot to mention here. You know, as you can see,
Speaker 1: he's still getting guys to chase out of the zone,
Speaker 1: still getting some swing and miss, He's still throwing a
Speaker 1: lot of strikes. Yeah, he's been very good in his career,
Speaker 1: but for the third fourth time now, it's just been
Speaker 1: a weird year for him. The splitter has been always
Speaker 1: been great for him. This year though, it's not as
Speaker 1: effective when it comes to run value. It's had a
Speaker 1: negative one. I mean, batters are only hitting two to
Speaker 1: four against it, slugging three eleven, So it's not like,
Speaker 1: you know, they're having a ton of success off of
Speaker 1: this pitch. However, he's been giving up some home runs
Speaker 1: on it. He's been leaving it in the zone a
Speaker 1: little bit. He's been a little home run He's always
Speaker 1: been more of a flyball guy, but yeah, he's been
Speaker 1: pretty home run prone so far. Six homers off the
Speaker 1: four seamer, four off the splitter, I've off the slider,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, you're just looking to take advantage
Speaker 1: of stuff that he hangs in the zone. We'll see
Speaker 1: if they can get it done here tomorrow against Gosman again,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the Franklin Arius story. We're
Speaker 1: going to talk about that. We are going to take
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Speaker 1: Alrighty, let's get to it here. I see you in
Speaker 1: the shad Phoenix. I don't want to hear Arius's name anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see it anywhere. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be seeing none of this Franklinarius, who just got
Speaker 1: called up to Triple A. I mean, goodness, gracious this guys.
Speaker 1: He's one of the top prospects in the game. Why
Speaker 1: are we even talking about Franklinarius as a possible trade candidate. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: it's not coming from me. I'm just the messenger over here.
Speaker 1: Don't get mad at me. But we had this article
Speaker 1: here today from the Boston Globe, written by Peter Abraham
Speaker 1: Red Sox approach the trade deadline could go any number
Speaker 1: of ways and involve any number of positions. So, you know,
Speaker 1: we've talked about the set length. I think you're mostly
Speaker 1: looking at middle infield. You know, who knows how Trevor's
Speaker 1: story is gonna look like when he comes back. You
Speaker 1: already need something there up the middle. You know. Siegler, Hey,
Speaker 1: he's shown a lot of good things. He's definitely had
Speaker 1: a great game last night too, but he did hit
Speaker 1: a little bump there for a while. You wonder what
Speaker 1: is the production going to look like with Siegler. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not trying to speak ill will
Speaker 1: of Tony Seagulls over here, but you know, you kind
Speaker 1: of wonder if maybe you could sure it up a
Speaker 1: little bit, right, get someone that you know can do
Speaker 1: some damage, whether or not that's at the top of
Speaker 1: the order, middle of the order, whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: You feel like you need a little extra So that's
Speaker 1: why we've been talking about guys like Zach Netto possibly
Speaker 1: even c. J Abrams another position, not just up the middle.
Speaker 1: If you wanted to get an offensive upgrade at Catcher,
Speaker 1: where the Red Sox ranked near the bottom this year.
Speaker 1: You know, make a phone call about Shaye Langliers. Could
Speaker 1: Hunter Goodman be an option? Could Ryan Jeffers possibly be
Speaker 1: an option? Right? So there's a lot of possible candidates
Speaker 1: out there. I mean, shoot, we've been hearing stuff about
Speaker 1: Bobby Wick Junior. For crying out loud. Why do I
Speaker 1: keep hearing the Bobby Wick Junior stuff? Is this actually
Speaker 1: a thing? I keep seeing it everywhere I go. I've
Speaker 1: been seeing mott trades on Bobby Wick Junior everywhere I go.
Speaker 1: I'm like, where is this coming from? I know Rob Bradford,
Speaker 1: he's a friendly friend of the show. He did you
Speaker 1: know me. I also think people took that at that
Speaker 1: out of context. He went on wee I and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, why not at least try for Bobby Wick Junior.
Speaker 1: And I saw a lot of people saying, like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? You know, he's this is Bobby
Speaker 1: Wick Junior. I'm like, he's not saying, go you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna pull off a trade. He's saying, just you know,
Speaker 1: make a phone call RIGHTO. Hey, I'd make a phone
Speaker 1: call for Bobby Wig Junior every day? Why not in
Speaker 1: anyway You're seeing a lot of stuff out there. It's
Speaker 1: this time of the year, and this is why I'm
Speaker 1: here for all of you, right, I am here to
Speaker 1: help give you the most realistic scenario or scenarios of
Speaker 1: how things could happen at the trade deadline, because you're
Speaker 1: going to see a whole bunch of mock trades out
Speaker 1: there that make no sense, you know. I use the
Speaker 1: information that we have publicly. I'm looking at the whole
Speaker 1: picture when it comes to trade value. Right, I'm not
Speaker 1: just putting on MLB the show, plug it into trade
Speaker 1: if it gets approved, Oh that's a good trade, all right, perfect,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna put it out there for the
Speaker 1: world to see. No, I'm looking at what are the
Speaker 1: projections of the player? Is what money is this player making? Right?
Speaker 1: Injury risk, everything, Right, There's so many factors that come
Speaker 1: into play when it comes to surplus trade value. That's
Speaker 1: why I'm here. I'm not perfect with it by any means,
Speaker 1: but I feel like I can do a pretty good
Speaker 1: job at relaying information to all of you about realistic
Speaker 1: trade proposals and values ideas. What's realistic, what's not realistic?
Speaker 1: Because you are gonna see a ton of stuff at
Speaker 1: this time of the year, including this article right here.
Speaker 1: Right here, He goes on to say Zach Netto or
Speaker 1: Jeremy pagna would be the high impact upgrades. The Red
Speaker 1: Sox believe twenty year old franklin Arius is their shortstop
Speaker 1: of the future, but he could be included in a
Speaker 1: trade of that magnitude. This to me is speculation, ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Why is that speculation in my opinion? Well, first,
Speaker 1: like Jeremy Pagnia, Yeah, Jeremy Paynia. Hey, he's been one
Speaker 1: of the better shortstops in the game. I mean, the
Speaker 1: guy just had a great year a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: but he's running some injury since then, and he's he's
Speaker 1: also getting very close to free agency. He's got one
Speaker 1: more year of control left after this year. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he is projected for good numbers for next year, but
Speaker 1: that's only one year. There is no way you are
Speaker 1: giving up a top three prospect in the game. According
Speaker 1: to Baseball America, he's number seven on MLB pipeline. You
Speaker 1: are not giving up And yeah, maybe this is in
Speaker 1: my opinion. Of course, teams can do what they want.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day. I mean, we just
Speaker 1: saw Aj Preller last year give up Leo DeVries for
Speaker 1: Mason Miller. Now, value wise, believe it or not, it
Speaker 1: actually did line up because Mason Miller at the time
Speaker 1: of the trade had a lot of control left and
Speaker 1: a on a cheap salary. So yeah, despite being a reliever,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of production there because it was
Speaker 1: over four years, right, Yeah, Leo Divrees is a high
Speaker 1: ranking prospect, but you got to also got to remember
Speaker 1: with prospects, there's obviously risk, so that's gonna bring their
Speaker 1: values down, right. They could be you could be the
Speaker 1: number one prospect in the game. You could be Roman
Speaker 1: Anthony a couple of years ago last year, but you're
Speaker 1: still a prospect at the end of the day. So
Speaker 1: that is going to put a limit on your value,
Speaker 1: right because you still have to show it at the
Speaker 1: major league level. So yeah, Leo Divrees Mason Miller. Value wise,
Speaker 1: it it did line up. You know, it was there,
Speaker 1: believe it or not. Now. But with Jeremy Paige, he's
Speaker 1: only got one year of control. There's only so much
Speaker 1: more that you know he can bring to the table. Right,
Speaker 1: Let's say he's a five war player next year. That's great,
Speaker 1: that's a great season, but it's only one year with
Speaker 1: someone like Franklinarius, who's one of the top prospects in
Speaker 1: the game, who has a very high floor with a
Speaker 1: high ceiling. Yeah, that's not even close. If Jeremy Paania
Speaker 1: had more control, like two to three years, yeah, you
Speaker 1: could have that conversation at that point. But Arius his
Speaker 1: value as a as a prospect right now outweighs Jeremy Panya.
Speaker 1: So that's why I think this is more speculative. Now
Speaker 1: for zach Neetto if you were to take a look
Speaker 1: at how this lines up, now, this is closer, but
Speaker 1: still Arius has more surplus value at this point. Again,
Speaker 1: you'll have to consider the risk. Now you might be asking,
Speaker 1: how do they get this value for Arius? How are
Speaker 1: you getting this? If you look at scouting grades right
Speaker 1: Fangrafts is a good article about it, where because you
Speaker 1: go for you know, scouting grades go from twenty to eight,
Speaker 1: Arius is a sixty grade prospect at this point. Now
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a whole lot of things that come
Speaker 1: into play again because of risk, But on their chart
Speaker 1: on Fangraphs, a sixty grade prospect that translates to on
Speaker 1: average about a three wins above replacement player. Again, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of variables in that. But if you think
Speaker 1: about a three war player over the next several years
Speaker 1: on average at least, right, I mean, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of value. And obviously they're not going to be making
Speaker 1: a whole lot of money in their pre arb years
Speaker 1: and their arbitration years. Sure they'll get to raise, but
Speaker 1: I mean, on average, a three war player for six
Speaker 1: years of cheaper salary, I mean, yeah, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of value. And of course i'll say it
Speaker 1: for like the third time, it is gonna get brought
Speaker 1: back down because of the risk. Right, every prospect going
Speaker 1: to have risk. But but even when you combine all
Speaker 1: of that, that is still gonna give him a higher
Speaker 1: value right here, compared to zach Netto, who listen, not
Speaker 1: a knock on Netto, He's got a high value himself.
Speaker 1: Three more years of control, he's projected to be anywhere
Speaker 1: from like a three to a four war player. That's good,
Speaker 1: and he has a high value, but Arius is gonna
Speaker 1: have higher So that's why I think this article here
Speaker 1: is speculative because it doesn't even make sense from a
Speaker 1: value perspective. Now, that's only the that's only the value
Speaker 1: part of it, that's only the numbers. This is where
Speaker 1: the philosophical part comes into play. And of course John
Speaker 1: mose Locket, the first guy's gonna ask for is Franklin Arius.
Speaker 1: Of course he would. Why wouldn't you? Anyone should? But
Speaker 1: in this situation, I just don't think that makes sense
Speaker 1: because obviously it just showed you that. But then you
Speaker 1: also think about it from the angels perspective too. Let's
Speaker 1: say they, you know, they were like, okay, we sorry,
Speaker 1: we need Arius. Okay, you can maybe we could do that,
Speaker 1: but that's pretty much all you're gonna get, right, And
Speaker 1: even then that's still a stretch, you know, because it's
Speaker 1: like it's one thing if he was more ceiling compared
Speaker 1: to like floor, kind of like Marcella Meyer right now,
Speaker 1: there is more ceiling the floor he has yet to
Speaker 1: tap into. But with Arius, there's a reason he's a
Speaker 1: top three prospect in the game because he already has
Speaker 1: a high floor. He already had the great hit tool,
Speaker 1: he already had the good baseball IQ good defensively, he
Speaker 1: already had that, and then he added power. So like Arius,
Speaker 1: you know, you never want to say a prospect is
Speaker 1: an absolute slam dunk like that he is gonna be great,
Speaker 1: because you never know what can happen. I mean, Roman
Speaker 1: Anthony was being crowned as the next best thing since
Speaker 1: sliced bread. And look what's happened to Roman Anthony this
Speaker 1: year with the injury. You just never know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, with Arius right now, but when you
Speaker 1: just consider the high floor, just it doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: in this situation. It just doesn't. And again, yeah, philosophically, yeah,
Speaker 1: that could come into play, right, you know, real life,
Speaker 1: that comes into play. But you think about it from
Speaker 1: the Angels perspective, wouldn't you rather if you're really trying
Speaker 1: to go into if they are gonna be trying to
Speaker 1: take a step forward for a rebuild, wouldn't you want
Speaker 1: as much volume as possible, like instead of just getting
Speaker 1: what putting your eggs in one basket? Well, yeah, that
Speaker 1: player could absolutely be very good. Wouldn't you maybe wanna
Speaker 1: kind of spread it out a little bit more like
Speaker 1: Marcelo Meyer, who again has a good ceiling. He was
Speaker 1: a top fifteen prospect last year. There's a lot you
Speaker 1: could tap into right, and maybe a change of scenery
Speaker 1: is the best thing for him, you know, just mentally
Speaker 1: and whatever. So wouldn't it be better to maybe go
Speaker 1: with that get a good picture in there as well,
Speaker 1: Because if you're getting Franklin Ariius, you're not getting Anthony Iroinson,
Speaker 1: you're not getting someone like Connolly Early, You're not getting that.
Speaker 1: But with Meyer you could, So wouldn't it make more
Speaker 1: sense to get Meyer and either Connolly Early and Iansen
Speaker 1: And you could even add more to that. So, like
Speaker 1: from the angel's perspective, at least in my opinion, I mean, shoot,
Speaker 1: who knows. Maybe maybe Craig is getting really spicy. He's like,
Speaker 1: all right, whatever, Yeah, we can do Aris. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. But I just think it makes more sense
Speaker 1: for the angels to go because that's usually what you see. Yes,
Speaker 1: Leo DeVries like that's a j Preller, Like the guy
Speaker 1: is a madman, the guy is crazy. But again, you're
Speaker 1: getting a guy that at least you're getting him for
Speaker 1: four years, you know. I don't know, And yeah, so
Speaker 1: I just don't think it makes sense personally. I think
Speaker 1: this is more speculative. But this is why articles like this,
Speaker 1: it they they kind of bug me a little bit
Speaker 1: because aggregators are gonna pick up on it. You know,
Speaker 1: they're just gonna They're just gonna put the article out there.
Speaker 1: They're gonna put the quote. Everyone's going to react to it.
Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna get emotional about it. It's gonna spread like wildfire.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know again, you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's more of a speculation. I personally think because it it,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense from a value standpoint. And that's
Speaker 1: how front offices think. That's not just my opinion, that's
Speaker 1: how they're looking at things right now. You might be asking, well, Robbie,
Speaker 1: we just got the report here today that Craig Breslo
Speaker 1: was willing to offer Peyton Totley and Franklinarius for Joe
Speaker 1: Ryan last year. Well, let me bring you let me
Speaker 1: bring you back down a little bit value wise at
Speaker 1: the time that believe it or not, Again, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of hindsight coming into this. Back then a year ago,
Speaker 1: it was different. Peyton Toley didn't have as much value
Speaker 1: as he does now, Franklinarius doesn't have as much didn't
Speaker 1: have as much value as he does now. Peyton Toley
Speaker 1: was in his first year of pro ball, he was
Speaker 1: a fastball only guy pretty much was still he had
Speaker 1: basically like nothing with the secondaries like he had some,
Speaker 1: but we all saw how that went last year. So yeah,
Speaker 1: his value wasn't as high last year. Year. It's very
Speaker 1: good now because he's obviously taken a huge step forward
Speaker 1: this year. Right and Arius at the time, he had
Speaker 1: good value at the time, but nowhere near what it
Speaker 1: is now. Why because he had no power then. He
Speaker 1: was basically like a contact guy. That's not a bad thing,
Speaker 1: but compared to what he is now, it's not even
Speaker 1: it's not even close. He's more than doubled his value
Speaker 1: since last year. Peyton totally two. So yeah, for Joe
Speaker 1: Ryan at the time, who had two more years of
Speaker 1: control left. Yeah, that's that's that's closer than you would think.
Speaker 1: I've been seeing everyone reacting to that today saying, Holy
Speaker 1: the Twins are they're ridiculous for not doing that. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're fair to that's fair to have that opinion. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe they really they should have. You know, at the time, though,
Speaker 1: for the Twins, you're thinking, if we're going to trade
Speaker 1: Joe Ryan, who's the top of the rotation guy for us.
Speaker 1: We want a great package. Joe Ryan had a lot
Speaker 1: of value last year because of the two years of control,
Speaker 1: being one of the better pictures in the game. Starting
Speaker 1: pitching is expensive at the deadline, so yeah, they probably
Speaker 1: liked Totallyinarious, but they thought, you know, we need more.
Speaker 1: So the Twins are like, I know, if you can't
Speaker 1: give us more than this, you know, then we're not
Speaker 1: going to do it. So I think from my perspective,
Speaker 1: that's fair for them to think of that way at
Speaker 1: the time. And obviously hindsight is coming into play with this,
Speaker 1: so yeah, should have what it coulda right and luckily
Speaker 1: for Craig this ended up being a move ended up
Speaker 1: fitting into the category sometimes the best move is the
Speaker 1: one you don't make right at the time. Though, value wise,
Speaker 1: that was more realistic than you would think. Obviously now
Speaker 1: with the power of hindsight, Yeah, that sounds crazy then though,
Speaker 1: you know, based off of what you had with public
Speaker 1: information at the time, and consider it one more time
Speaker 1: Totally had Basically he wasn't even a full year in
Speaker 1: and Arius had no power, so you look at it
Speaker 1: from there anyway. Not saying I'm not defending the Twins,
Speaker 1: I'm more just giving you an idea of what they
Speaker 1: were thinking at the time. They probably they wanted a
Speaker 1: couple more prospects with that, so and hey, if you've
Speaker 1: got a good picture, you should be asking for a lot.
Speaker 1: So anyway that those are my thoughts, So you might
Speaker 1: be asking, Okay, well, yeah, Craig was willing to get
Speaker 1: aggressive there. Well why couldn't you do the same thing.
Speaker 1: This is way different, way different. Arius was not in
Speaker 1: the position that he is now now that he is,
Speaker 1: I don't think Craig's going to be doing that. And obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, like he's not moving totally. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not the same six situation. It's not. I would be shocked, Listen.
Speaker 1: I never say never, never say never. Obviously, ever since
Speaker 1: Raffi happened last year, I will not be surprised by
Speaker 1: anything but this though, I'll take that back. If this
Speaker 1: actually happened, I would be surprised. I would be pretty
Speaker 1: shocked because I've been told behind the scenes that they
Speaker 1: love him that like you would have to get a
Speaker 1: like a Bobby Wick junior kind of a player, like
Speaker 1: he would be a part of that package, a part
Speaker 1: of that package. Bobby Wick Junior Top three player in
Speaker 1: the game on a very nice contract. Right now, he's
Speaker 1: barely I think he's getting paid under fifteen million dollars
Speaker 1: for this year next year before he gets a raise.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you're talking like Bobby Wick Junior, who's
Speaker 1: a like a sure bet to be a six to
Speaker 1: seven war player every single year on a pretty friendly contract, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy's gonna have a boatload of value. So yeah, Franklin, Arius,
Speaker 1: you would pretty much lead the way with that, but
Speaker 1: then you'd still have to add other guys. You'd still like,
Speaker 1: it's impossible to get Bobby Wick Junior. Oh, I don't
Speaker 1: say impossible, but it would take a lot. That's the
Speaker 1: only way I would do, Arius, in my opinion. Could
Speaker 1: you have the conversation for James? Would? I think you could?
Speaker 1: You know, James would obviously is an MVP caliber player,
Speaker 1: right you know, Phoenix, I'll be honest with you, I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I actually I would love Jordon, but
Speaker 1: considering Jordon only as a couple more years of control left,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I would do it for Jordon.
Speaker 1: Believe it or not. You could. You could convince me
Speaker 1: you could. I'd be Oh, that's uncomfortable. Like if you
Speaker 1: want like that feeling of being uncomfortable in a trade,
Speaker 1: that's it right there, because it's like, oh, man, Jordon
Speaker 1: is a game changing beat, but Arius, he's a top
Speaker 1: three prospect and you only got eured on for like
Speaker 1: two years. So unless I've worked out an extension, But
Speaker 1: like you know what, I don't. I don't ever, I
Speaker 1: don't ever consider that factor. I look at what do
Speaker 1: you have on the table in front of you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so even then it would be tough. I think for
Speaker 1: me personally, like the only way I do it is
Speaker 1: for either James Wood or Bobby Wait Junior. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, that's just me, that's just me. But yeah,
Speaker 1: just circling back here, I know, I'm kind of repeating myself.
Speaker 1: I personally don't think Arius is gonna get moved. That
Speaker 1: sounded more like a speculative kind of an article, and
Speaker 1: that's just what it is at this time of the year,
Speaker 1: And it's very possible. Hey, reporters out there, they got
Speaker 1: their people out there. Who knows, maybe you see little
Speaker 1: games being played sometimes in the media when it comes
Speaker 1: to different front offices, right, you see these kind of things.
Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe talk to someone over there and they said, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're kind of thinking Arius for for Neto. Then Pete
Speaker 1: Abraham's gonna go out there and be like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put that in my article. Right so you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think it. I'd be shocked. Do I think
Speaker 1: it's impossible to move him? No, nothing is impossible. I'd
Speaker 1: be shocked though, And I'll tell you right now, if
Speaker 1: they move Franklin Arrius for Zack Netto. I would like
Speaker 1: Zach Netto. But if they do that, I'll be very
Speaker 1: unhappy about that. I will. I will. I'm all about
Speaker 1: improving the team, but not at that cost. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do that. Nope, I'd be pretty I'd be pretty upset
Speaker 1: about that. I'd be happy that you at least you
Speaker 1: improve the major league team, but man like, not in
Speaker 1: that way. Not in that way. Uh seven moon beam.
Speaker 1: I I don't think that's a definitive. Never never talk
Speaker 1: definitives that. That's a rule of mine. You're saying Netto
Speaker 1: isn't going to the Red Sox. We don't know that.
Speaker 1: No one knows that. You know, you could absolutely get
Speaker 1: something done. The Red Sox have the pieces to get
Speaker 1: a package put together for Netto. I don't think Arius
Speaker 1: is the guy, but that's just me. That's all I
Speaker 1: got for today, ladies and gentlemen. We're gonna wrap it
Speaker 1: up right there. I uh, I got some plans for tonight.
Speaker 1: Actually we're gonna I'm gonna go out for some dinner
Speaker 1: here tonight. We've been working hard lately. I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta go kind of relax a little bit and watch watch.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be out for dinner here tonight, and a
Speaker 1: trade's gonna happen. Please, baseball gods, don't. Don't have a
Speaker 1: trade happen right now. After tonight, I will be here
Speaker 1: at my desk. I will be ready to go, but please,
Speaker 1: not tonight, not tonight. Anyway. I'm out here, everybody. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go go. Uh going joyous Saturday night after a
Speaker 1: dread full loss here today. But don't worry. I don't
Speaker 1: think Aris is going anywhere. I feel pretty good about
Speaker 1: that one. I'm out her. Everybody, go and show the
Speaker 1: rest of your evening and we'll see you tomorrow.