WEBVTT - Red Sox Shutout; Franklin Arias Trade Deadline Candidate? 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:10.320 Welcome to massive territory, ladies and gentlemen with that was 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:12.600 a stinker hitter at Famway Park. It looked like a 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:14.760 beautiful day at Famway Park. They had the Hall of 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:18.400 Fame hat song. That was pretty fun. That was pretty snazzy. Actually, 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.480 how do you feel about those hats? Actually? I kind 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.159 of liked them. I don't know what it is like. 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.040 I don't know. I just liked. I mean, obviously I 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:28.120 like the logo better now, but I just like the 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.080 bigger B. I don't know, it's just a bit more red. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.200 I don't know, it's jumped off a little bit. Anyway, 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:35.800 I like the hats. I didn't like the game here 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:38.440 very much. Today Red Sox lose six nothing. Record is 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.559 at fifty three and fifty. You're still hanging on to 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.320 the second wildcard Cleveland is we got a lot of 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:48.879 games about to start up now, Cleveland. If they win 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.240 here today, they'll move into the second wildcard spot. So 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:55.760 something to pay attention to. It was the Dylan Cease 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:00.640 Show here today. You had nothing against Dylan c I mean, listen, 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:03.840 this guy's gonna get cy young votes. He's looked incredible 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.760 this year. You saw it on full display here today. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:08.840 He had a perfect game going through four and two 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.800 thirds Durban. Finally they were able to break it up. 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:14.920 Got the walk to break up the perfect game. You 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.039 got the first hit of the game from the Red 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.120 Sox Monasteria with a double sixteenth on the year. In 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:24.240 the sixth inning, Long almost had a home run here today. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.080 I actually was wondering if they were going to reverse that, 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.080 but he just missed it. He ended up striking out 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.600 after that. But yeah, Dylan Cees, he was fantastic here today. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.440 Double digit strikeouts, only one hit allowed. What else is 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.759 there to say? And Sonny Gray, on the other hand, 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.840 he was the complete opposite. This was easily his worst 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.200 start since Minnesota. I hate to bring up bad memories. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.080 We do not want to talk about that Minnesota series. 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.880 Holy cow, remember the Twins. Goodness gracious getting to Garrett Crochet. 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.480 They got to Sonny Gray the next time out. That 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:01.360 was easily his worst performance since then. Give up ten hits, 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:07.000 five earned, gave up a homer here today, and it 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.640 was just not a great day. You know, second time 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.440 on the year, giving up five earned, first time on 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.560 the year, giving up ten hits the third inning. I mean, 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.680 that was pretty much all the Blue Jays needed here today. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.080 Funny enough, he got the first couple of outs. He 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.960 struck out Jimenez, he got Venezuela on the ground out. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.640 But after that they were just coming to town with 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.120 the hits here. Lucas with a double the left, Vlad 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.480 with the base hit made it one nothing, Okamoto with 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.919 a bass hit, Springer with the three run shot made 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.720 it four to nothing. I mean it was it was 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:43.079 already done after the Vlad bass hit, but still he 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.359 couldn't get it right after that, var Show with a 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.480 bass hit, Clement with Ernie Clement with a double, they 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.679 made it five nothing. Later on Lucas Vlad adding on 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.360 a little bit more six runs under the day for 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:57.919 the Blue Jays. That was all she wrote. There's really 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.359 not a whole lot to talk about. I mean, I'd 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.440 love to be able to talk about even some rallies 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.480 of the Red Sox are trying to put together. Not 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:09.200 one here today, so we're really not going to focus 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:10.760 a whole lot on this game. That was all you 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.120 need to know here today, ladies and gentlemen. Let's move 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:21.160 on game three. He's on the game three, and hey 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:22.880 got a couple of Vets on the mound here tomorrow. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:27.639 Ranger Suarez. Kevin Gosman. Gosman, this has been a weird 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.240 year for him. I mean it's been a weird year 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:34.080 for the Blue Jays in general. Obviously they're looking like 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.320 I mean today, they didn't look like sellers here today. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.600 But you know, with how their season is gone, you 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.880 know it's looking like they're gonna be making some moves. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.800 Kevin Gosman is easily near the top of that list, 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:47.960 if not at the top of the list of guys 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.200 the Blue Jays could move. He's been a great pick 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.160 up for them over the years. I mean, we've seen 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.200 firsthand this guy just dominate the Red Sox over the 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.640 last few years. He's had a weird year himself. Twenty 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.440 one games. Oh Ray is in the mid fours at 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.560 a four point five to one. The FIP is a 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.600 lot better at a three point six eight, so that 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.840 suggests to me he's just getting a little unlucky. The 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.480 badhip is pretty high with him over the last few starts, though, 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:19.279 he's been getting knocked around. Against Tampa last time out, 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.120 he only went three and a third. He gave up 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:25.679 nine hits, five runs, four were earned. Before that against 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.080 the Padreys, he was better against the Padres six innings, 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:33.120 had a quality start, eight strikeouts, but then against San 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:38.040 Francisco a few times or back on July sixth, five 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:42.800 and a third, five hits, four earned, only seven or 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.880 he gave up seven runs, four were earned, he struck 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.080 out eight. So yeah, it's just been a weird year. 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.239 Before that he went six, he went six innings, one earned, 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.360 but then the start before that he gave up ten hits, 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.320 six earned three home runs against the Rangers. So it's 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:02.600 just been very odd for Gosman this year. We're not 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:08.120 used to seeing that very much. But yeah, with Gosman, 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.240 it's a very high batting average on balls and play 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.239 three ZHO six. So it's gonna be interesting to see 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:15.880 if he does get moved and where he ends up landing. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:17.680 I think you got to you gotta have a good 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.080 defense behind him, especially in the outfield. He's more of 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.800 a flyball guy. But we'll see the Red Sox can 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:28.000 do anything against him. Again, He's pitched very well against 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.919 the Red Sox over the last few years. However, for 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:35.359 the Red Sox, you got Ranger Suarez on the mound. 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.680 First start since coming back from the IL. At least 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:39.760 that's what it's looking like right now that he is 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:44.479 right now the projected starter. We had that the what 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:48.039 was it again for the Orioles series that ended up 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.839 not happening, So hopefully this ends up happening here. But 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:55.120 Ranger Suarez, obviously, we we know how good he's been 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:59.520 this year when healthy, and you're going for the series win. Listen, 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.400 I'm gonna be honest, like, obviously, I want these I 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.719 want these series wins. I want all the wins. But man, 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.960 I don't know, it feels weird talking about a series loss. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.720 I mean, we had three weeks of just nothing but 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.520 winning baseball. I don't want to talk about a series 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:19.920 loss tomorrow. Oh it sounds I don't want that. But 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.320 you think about it. With the Red Sox here, they've 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.440 been grinding out some of these games as of late. 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.279 You go back, you had a couple against the Rays, 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.440 you had that back and forth game against the Orioles 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.400 last night against the Blue Jays, right you had to 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:38.360 figure it out late in game. You just feel like 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.479 they're grinding a little bit. And listen, I get it. 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.320 I mean, hey, you win fifteen games in a row. 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.800 For crying out loud. What was it, nineteen out of 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.560 twenty one? So yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised that 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.039 they're starting to kind of even Yeah, they had the 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.720 All Star break too, but goodness gracious, I wouldn't be 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.440 surprised if they're a little mentally tired at this point. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.560 But that tells me you feel like you got to 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.600 add something here at this deadline. We all know this, 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:05.800 We've talked about this a million times. But you saw 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:07.720 it here today going up against one of the best 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.960 pictures in baseball and Dylan Cees. You saw it against 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.160 Kyle Bradish The guy looked great running up against some 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.960 good pitching lately and just not really able to do much. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.840 Combine that with you feel like you feel like they 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:25.840 need a little something right going up. You know obviously 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.480 how they've been doing against this good pitching. I feel 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:31.720 like they need another bat here. I feel like they 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:36.400 need another bat. We're going to talk about an article 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.640 that came out here today. I'm not gonna spend too 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.440 long on it because I have, like, you know, one 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.760 or two thoughts on it. I'm not going to dive 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:49.160 deep into it. But a little something on Franklin Arius 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:55.520 being mentioned as a trade candidate. Spoiler alert. I don't 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.000 buy it, so we'll get into that in just a 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.920 little bit. But yeah, pitching match up again tomorrow Rainger 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.120 Suarez Kevin Gosmin. It is an early afternoon game, one 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:08.200 thirty five Eastern time start time. Good to see Ranger 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.080 Suarez back on the mountains. One more thing with Kevin Gosmin. 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.200 Forgot to mention here. You know, as you can see, 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:16.800 he's still getting guys to chase out of the zone, 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:18.800 still getting some swing and miss, He's still throwing a 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:22.960 lot of strikes. Yeah, he's been very good in his career, 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.640 but for the third fourth time now, it's just been 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.800 a weird year for him. The splitter has been always 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:32.280 been great for him. This year though, it's not as 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:34.240 effective when it comes to run value. It's had a 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.599 negative one. I mean, batters are only hitting two to 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.080 four against it, slugging three eleven, So it's not like, 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.680 you know, they're having a ton of success off of 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.520 this pitch. However, he's been giving up some home runs 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:48.920 on it. He's been leaving it in the zone a 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.240 little bit. He's been a little home run He's always 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.800 been more of a flyball guy, but yeah, he's been 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.440 pretty home run prone so far. Six homers off the 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:01.040 four seamer, four off the splitter, I've off the slider, 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.439 so yeah, I mean, you're just looking to take advantage 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:07.680 of stuff that he hangs in the zone. 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Why 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:50.439 are we even talking about Franklinarius as a possible trade candidate. Well, hey, 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:52.640 it's not coming from me. I'm just the messenger over here. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.560 Don't get mad at me. But we had this article 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:59.119 here today from the Boston Globe, written by Peter Abraham 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.360 Red Sox approach the trade deadline could go any number 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:06.440 of ways and involve any number of positions. So, you know, 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.920 we've talked about the set length. I think you're mostly 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:15.600 looking at middle infield. You know, who knows how Trevor's 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.720 story is gonna look like when he comes back. You 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:22.360 already need something there up the middle. You know. Siegler, Hey, 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.600 he's shown a lot of good things. He's definitely had 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.440 a great game last night too, but he did hit 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.959 a little bump there for a while. You wonder what 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.320 is the production going to look like with Siegler. Listen, 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.800 I'm not saying I'm not trying to speak ill will 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:41.280 of Tony Seagulls over here, but you know, you kind 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.040 of wonder if maybe you could sure it up a 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.200 little bit, right, get someone that you know can do 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.160 some damage, whether or not that's at the top of 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.160 the order, middle of the order, whatever it may be. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:54.360 You feel like you need a little extra So that's 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.880 why we've been talking about guys like Zach Netto possibly 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.240 even c. J Abrams another position, not just up the middle. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.680 If you wanted to get an offensive upgrade at Catcher, 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.920 where the Red Sox ranked near the bottom this year. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.560 You know, make a phone call about Shaye Langliers. Could 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.440 Hunter Goodman be an option? Could Ryan Jeffers possibly be 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.800 an option? Right? So there's a lot of possible candidates 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:17.400 out there. I mean, shoot, we've been hearing stuff about 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.480 Bobby Wick Junior. For crying out loud. Why do I 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.760 keep hearing the Bobby Wick Junior stuff? Is this actually 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.120 a thing? I keep seeing it everywhere I go. I've 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.320 been seeing mott trades on Bobby Wick Junior everywhere I go. 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.000 I'm like, where is this coming from? I know Rob Bradford, 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.560 he's a friendly friend of the show. He did you 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.960 know me. I also think people took that at that 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.439 out of context. He went on wee I and he said, 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.400 you know, why not at least try for Bobby Wick Junior. 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.440 And I saw a lot of people saying, like, what 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.800 are you talking about? You know, he's this is Bobby 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.480 Wick Junior. I'm like, he's not saying, go you know 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.000 you're gonna pull off a trade. He's saying, just you know, 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:01.000 make a phone call RIGHTO. Hey, I'd make a phone 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.440 call for Bobby Wig Junior every day? Why not in 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.320 anyway You're seeing a lot of stuff out there. It's 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.760 this time of the year, and this is why I'm 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.040 here for all of you, right, I am here to 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:21.000 help give you the most realistic scenario or scenarios of 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.640 how things could happen at the trade deadline, because you're 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.240 going to see a whole bunch of mock trades out 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:33.080 there that make no sense, you know. I use the 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:37.360 information that we have publicly. I'm looking at the whole 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.840 picture when it comes to trade value. Right, I'm not 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.840 just putting on MLB the show, plug it into trade 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.600 if it gets approved, Oh that's a good trade, all right, perfect, 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.000 I'm gonna I'm gonna put it out there for the 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.520 world to see. No, I'm looking at what are the 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.120 projections of the player? Is what money is this player making? Right? 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.800 Injury risk, everything, Right, There's so many factors that come 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.240 into play when it comes to surplus trade value. That's 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.400 why I'm here. I'm not perfect with it by any means, 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.280 but I feel like I can do a pretty good 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:13.520 job at relaying information to all of you about realistic 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:20.880 trade proposals and values ideas. What's realistic, what's not realistic? 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.200 Because you are gonna see a ton of stuff at 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.840 this time of the year, including this article right here. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.480 Right here, He goes on to say Zach Netto or 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:36.800 Jeremy pagna would be the high impact upgrades. The Red 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.680 Sox believe twenty year old franklin Arius is their shortstop 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.680 of the future, but he could be included in a 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.880 trade of that magnitude. This to me is speculation, ladies 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:51.200 and gentlemen. Why is that speculation in my opinion? Well, first, 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.520 like Jeremy Pagnia, Yeah, Jeremy Paynia. Hey, he's been one 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.400 of the better shortstops in the game. I mean, the 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.760 guy just had a great year a couple of years ago, 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:03.520 but he's running some injury since then, and he's he's 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.360 also getting very close to free agency. He's got one 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:10.000 more year of control left after this year. I mean, yeah, 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.920 he is projected for good numbers for next year, but 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:17.040 that's only one year. There is no way you are 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:22.480 giving up a top three prospect in the game. According 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:27.240 to Baseball America, he's number seven on MLB pipeline. You 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:31.760 are not giving up And yeah, maybe this is in 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.240 my opinion. Of course, teams can do what they want. 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:37.400 At the end of the day. I mean, we just 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:41.400 saw Aj Preller last year give up Leo DeVries for 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:46.600 Mason Miller. Now, value wise, believe it or not, it 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.640 actually did line up because Mason Miller at the time 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.280 of the trade had a lot of control left and 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.320 a on a cheap salary. So yeah, despite being a reliever, 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.240 there was a lot of production there because it was 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:02.080 over four years, right, Yeah, Leo Divrees is a high 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.880 ranking prospect, but you got to also got to remember 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:11.640 with prospects, there's obviously risk, so that's gonna bring their 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.760 values down, right. They could be you could be the 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.840 number one prospect in the game. You could be Roman 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:20.640 Anthony a couple of years ago last year, but you're 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.480 still a prospect at the end of the day. So 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:26.000 that is going to put a limit on your value, 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:27.520 right because you still have to show it at the 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:31.320 major league level. So yeah, Leo Divrees Mason Miller. Value wise, 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:36.040 it it did line up. You know, it was there, 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:40.280 believe it or not. Now. But with Jeremy Paige, he's 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.360 only got one year of control. There's only so much 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.840 more that you know he can bring to the table. Right, 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:50.760 Let's say he's a five war player next year. That's great, 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.720 that's a great season, but it's only one year with 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.080 someone like Franklinarius, who's one of the top prospects in 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.800 the game, who has a very high floor with a 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:07.000 high ceiling. Yeah, that's not even close. If Jeremy Paania 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.639 had more control, like two to three years, yeah, you 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:15.040 could have that conversation at that point. But Arius his 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:21.119 value as a as a prospect right now outweighs Jeremy Panya. 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:27.640 So that's why I think this is more speculative. Now 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.600 for zach Neetto if you were to take a look 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:34.159 at how this lines up, now, this is closer, but 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:40.240 still Arius has more surplus value at this point. Again, 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.600 you'll have to consider the risk. Now you might be asking, 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:47.600 how do they get this value for Arius? How are 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:52.920 you getting this? If you look at scouting grades right 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:57.679 Fangrafts is a good article about it, where because you 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.000 go for you know, scouting grades go from twenty to eight, 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:06.160 Arius is a sixty grade prospect at this point. Now 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:07.840 there's gonna be a whole lot of things that come 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.480 into play again because of risk, But on their chart 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:17.879 on Fangraphs, a sixty grade prospect that translates to on 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:22.120 average about a three wins above replacement player. Again, there's 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.760 a lot of variables in that. But if you think 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.479 about a three war player over the next several years 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:33.360 on average at least, right, I mean, that's a lot 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.880 of value. And obviously they're not going to be making 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:37.720 a whole lot of money in their pre arb years 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.840 and their arbitration years. Sure they'll get to raise, but 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.680 I mean, on average, a three war player for six 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.280 years of cheaper salary, I mean, yeah, that's gonna be 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.119 a lot of value. And of course i'll say it 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.600 for like the third time, it is gonna get brought 0:18:55.840 --> 0:19:00.199 back down because of the risk. Right, every prospect going 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:04.000 to have risk. But but even when you combine all 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.640 of that, that is still gonna give him a higher 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:12.600 value right here, compared to zach Netto, who listen, not 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.320 a knock on Netto, He's got a high value himself. 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.280 Three more years of control, he's projected to be anywhere 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.200 from like a three to a four war player. That's good, 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.160 and he has a high value, but Arius is gonna 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.560 have higher So that's why I think this article here 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:35.760 is speculative because it doesn't even make sense from a 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:41.959 value perspective. Now, that's only the that's only the value 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.680 part of it, that's only the numbers. This is where 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:48.880 the philosophical part comes into play. And of course John 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.320 mose Locket, the first guy's gonna ask for is Franklin Arius. 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:58.480 Of course he would. Why wouldn't you? Anyone should? But 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.359 in this situation, I just don't think that makes sense 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:05.960 because obviously it just showed you that. But then you 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:10.200 also think about it from the angels perspective too. Let's 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:12.919 say they, you know, they were like, okay, we sorry, 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.560 we need Arius. Okay, you can maybe we could do that, 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:20.239 but that's pretty much all you're gonna get, right, And 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.840 even then that's still a stretch, you know, because it's 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:28.600 like it's one thing if he was more ceiling compared 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:32.520 to like floor, kind of like Marcella Meyer right now, 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.240 there is more ceiling the floor he has yet to 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:39.000 tap into. But with Arius, there's a reason he's a 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.000 top three prospect in the game because he already has 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.440 a high floor. He already had the great hit tool, 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.960 he already had the good baseball IQ good defensively, he 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:51.200 already had that, and then he added power. So like Arius, 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:53.840 you know, you never want to say a prospect is 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:57.879 an absolute slam dunk like that he is gonna be great, 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.920 because you never know what can happen. I mean, Roman 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:04.080 Anthony was being crowned as the next best thing since 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.760 sliced bread. And look what's happened to Roman Anthony this 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.359 year with the injury. You just never know what's gonna happen. 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:14.919 So but yeah, with Arius right now, but when you 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:19.840 just consider the high floor, just it doesn't make sense 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:25.200 in this situation. It just doesn't. And again, yeah, philosophically, yeah, 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:27.840 that could come into play, right, you know, real life, 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:29.960 that comes into play. But you think about it from 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:35.800 the Angels perspective, wouldn't you rather if you're really trying 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:40.200 to go into if they are gonna be trying to 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:44.119 take a step forward for a rebuild, wouldn't you want 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.600 as much volume as possible, like instead of just getting 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:50.159 what putting your eggs in one basket? Well, yeah, that 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:53.800 player could absolutely be very good. Wouldn't you maybe wanna 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.879 kind of spread it out a little bit more like 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:01.000 Marcelo Meyer, who again has a good ceiling. He was 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.240 a top fifteen prospect last year. There's a lot you 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.879 could tap into right, and maybe a change of scenery 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:10.720 is the best thing for him, you know, just mentally 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:15.879 and whatever. So wouldn't it be better to maybe go 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:19.160 with that get a good picture in there as well, 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.520 Because if you're getting Franklin Ariius, you're not getting Anthony Iroinson, 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:25.919 you're not getting someone like Connolly Early, You're not getting that. 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:29.760 But with Meyer you could, So wouldn't it make more 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:34.840 sense to get Meyer and either Connolly Early and Iansen 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.840 And you could even add more to that. So, like 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:45.120 from the angel's perspective, at least in my opinion, I mean, shoot, 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:49.320