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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday. How's everybody feeling.

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Speaker 3: It's not as cold as you apparently, Crystal?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the only hands here.

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Speaker 5: I don't really know. Is that like a thing you

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Speaker 5: do normally? I haven't really.

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Speaker 4: As a viewer, I can confirm it's when she locks in?

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Speaker 5: Wow, Oh really, I just did it excellently well on

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Speaker 5: the on the lookout for then.

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Speaker 3: I'm learning about myself today. I thank you, Griffin.

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Speaker 4: A lot to look out for on this Friday show, guys,

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Speaker 4: should we start just with some quick breaking news that

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Speaker 4: came right across our desk, hop right into it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a big one.

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Speaker 2: So Don Lemon has been arrested in La and I

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Speaker 2: just saw this come across Twitter. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you guys saw the specific Dad. He was charged with

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Speaker 2: conspiracy to deprive rights. This is in the context of

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Speaker 2: that church protest that he covered on his live stream

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Speaker 2: Saga and I talked about this when it happened. Go ahead,

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Speaker 2: put that back up on the screen, Griffin, because I

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Speaker 2: do want to read a bit from this. This is

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Speaker 2: the statement from his lawyer, Abby Lowll, who's very well known.

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Speaker 2: He says Don Lemon was taken into custody by federal

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Speaker 2: agents last night in La where he was covering the

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Speaker 2: Grammy Awards. Don has been a journalist for thirty years.

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Speaker 2: His constitutionally protected work in Minneapolis was no different than

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Speaker 2: what he has always done. The First Amendment exists to

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Speaker 2: protect journalists whose role it is to shine light on

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Speaker 2: no more important time for people like Don to be

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Speaker 2: doing this work. Instead of investigating the federal agents who

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Speaker 2: killed two peaceful Minnesota protesters, Trump Justice Department is devoting

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Speaker 2: its time attention and resources to this arrest, and that

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Speaker 2: is the real indictment of wrongdoing in this case. This

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Speaker 2: unprecedented attack on the First Amendment and transparent attempt to

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Speaker 2: distract attention from the many crises facing this administration will

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Speaker 2: not stand. Don will fight these charges vigorously and thoroughly

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Speaker 2: in court. Worth noting here in addition that they attempted

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Speaker 2: and the magistrate judge that looked at the charges you

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Speaker 2: know against Don Lemon and the charges against they attempted

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Speaker 2: to charge eight of the protesters who also came into

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Speaker 2: there was sufficient evidence presented. There were only three of

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Speaker 2: Van paneled a grand jury and they went through this

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Speaker 5: We covered this. Sagar and I had.

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Speaker 2: A spirited debate about the protest itself, although you know,

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Speaker 2: that Don Lemon. However, we feel about him was there

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Speaker 2: He asked challenging questions of everybody there. It's clear he

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Speaker 2: he wasn't acting as a journalist at that point. Journalists

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Speaker 2: get tip offs all the time of news events that

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Speaker 2: That's why he was there. And everyone, I don't care

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Speaker 6: I'm in the wild minority, I think on the right

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Speaker 6: It happened to a guy named Steve Baker from The

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Speaker 6: open to the evidence that Don Lemon was more of

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Speaker 6: a conspirator if it exists, I haven't seen it.

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Speaker 6: In his live stream, he says, I'm here as a

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Speaker 3: He did make that clear.

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Speaker 6: And so if just getting a tip and following it

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Speaker 6: I just don't honestly don't think that's worth it. You

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Speaker 6: not worth it, because that's going to be turn around

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Speaker 5: What do you think, Greff.

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, a huge Don Lemon fan here. I'm jealous.

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Speaker 3: Lemonhead is what he calls them.

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Speaker 4: He's about to get a lot of new subscriptions. We

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Speaker 4: should get one of our hosts arrested maybe and get

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Speaker 4: some new traffic to the show. Yeah, obviously it's I

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Speaker 3: He was he was one of.

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Speaker 6: And so I think that's where he got under everyone's

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Speaker 6: skin most but lemon is an has an interesting history

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Speaker 6: and that Christly you'll remember because I think you were

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Speaker 2: Now he did a lot of black respectability politics, like

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Speaker 3: Guy that virals like that. They would make it.

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Speaker 5: He got fired.

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Speaker 2: For these like for this crazy PC woke reason, and

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Speaker 2: So Don Lemon getting charged here again. I don't care

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Speaker 5: But they should be.

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Speaker 2: They absolutely should be, and not just because there's a

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Speaker 5: And that's the bottom line for me.

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Speaker 2: We had a bunch of red carpet moments last night,

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Speaker 5: An election center in Georgia today.

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Speaker 4: And they you know, they got into the votes.

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Speaker 2: You got to sign Judge's order in Georgia and you

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Speaker 4: They've been trying to get there for a low We're

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Emily I got to talk about

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Speaker 6: It's the Trump himself, I mean just Tolci Gbert's side.

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Speaker 6: Trump has been posting absolutely like bonker stuff on truth

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Speaker 2: To do some new ones for me too. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I remember there was some woman who was like, I think,

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Speaker 3: A total disaster. Apparently.

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Speaker 6: My understanding of this is that they're looking for these

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Speaker 6: I think Cleedom Mitchell's conservative attorneys been involved in this stuff.

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Speaker 6: That's what part of the search weren't was for, and

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Speaker 6: Georgia had significant error, so one thing that did happen

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You had Rudy Giuliani who went out and defamed some

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Speaker 2: So again, Georgia being a key state and that being

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Speaker 4: To that point, Christill, we've got from the Washington Street

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Speaker 4: hasn't provided the public with new evidence of it, she's

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Speaker 4: expected to repair a report on her work that people

442
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Speaker 4: said the administration has discussed executive orders on voting ahead

443
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Speaker 4: of the mid term elections. Two of the officials set, so, yes,

444
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Speaker 4: it seems to be not only a sort of humiliation

445
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Speaker 4: tour for Tulsey, but a test run for all that

446
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Speaker 4: good stuff coming up in the future. Emily, how far

447
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Speaker 4: do you think they'll go for the mid terms as

448
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Speaker 4: opposed to a twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean, so this is why you know,

450
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Speaker 6: I can't dismiss what Kristal is saying about potential interference

451
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Speaker 6: coming up, like what this could grow into because Trump

452
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Speaker 6: is himself a wild card. And let me just read

453
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Speaker 6: here from Margot Cleveland, who's a conservative attorney who's followed the.

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Speaker 3: Georgia stuff very very closely. She wrote.

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Speaker 6: In twenty twenty, Joe Biden won the Georgia general election

456
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Speaker 6: by eleven seven hundred and seventy nine votes out of

457
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Speaker 6: nearly five million bollots cast. Following the election, Trump filed

458
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Speaker 6: suit in a Fulton County state court arguing approximately thirty

459
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Speaker 6: five thousand Georgians may have illegally voted in a county

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Speaker 6: in which they did not reside, goes on to then say,

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Speaker 6: after the November twenty twenty election, Mark Davis, the president

462
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Speaker 6: of Data Productions, Inc. And an expert in voter data

463
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Speaker 6: analytics and residency issues, pulled from the US Postal Services

464
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Speaker 6: National Change of Address database and cross reference that information

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Speaker 6: with records from the Georgia's Secretary.

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Speaker 3: Of State's office.

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Speaker 6: His analysis showed that nearly thirty five thousand Georgia voters

468
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Speaker 6: who had moved from one Georgia county to another voted

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Speaker 6: in the twenty twenty general election in the county from

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Speaker 6: which they have moved. So all that is to say,

471
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Speaker 6: there's a world in which the Fulton County probe is

472
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Speaker 6: restricted to like this type of like clerical question about

473
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Speaker 6: what happened and where you know they may have aired.

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Speaker 6: It's a lot for the federal government to get involved

475
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Speaker 6: and read the offices and all of that.

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Speaker 3: So maybe maybe you have a totally.

477
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Speaker 6: Responsible, targeted investigation, but I don't think that's if I'm

478
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Speaker 6: looking at how Donald Trump reacted in twenty twenty to

479
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Speaker 6: the election with the Sydney Powellism and all of that.

480
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Speaker 6: And by the way, Ryan and I talked about this Maduro.

481
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Speaker 6: Trump has since said that they're not talking to Maduro

482
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Speaker 6: about potential dominion voting machine stuff, but some of this

483
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Speaker 6: goes directly back to Maduro, and it's possible that they

484
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Speaker 6: could be. I mean, Trump has said no, but it's

485
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Speaker 6: possible that some of this is coming from information that

486
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Speaker 6: they're trying to follow, like foreign interference. Is it because

487
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Speaker 6: they've been talking to Maduro about certain things?

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Speaker 3: Like there was this is a funny story.

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Speaker 6: When I was on the floor of the RNC, actually

490
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Speaker 6: of the media area of the RNC in twenty twenty four,

491
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Speaker 6: Rudy someone came up to Ruddy Giuliani and introduced themselves

492
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Speaker 6: and he could not like process the information for whatever reason.

493
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Speaker 6: And they said they were from Pennsylvania and he was like,

494
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Speaker 6: I was just overhearing this, and he was like, oh, Venezuela,

495
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Speaker 6: guys are responsible.

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Speaker 3: For all the voting.

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Speaker 6: And the guy was like Pennsylvania and he was like, yes, Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, so you have to be dealt with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought about the Madero thing too. I mean,

500
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Speaker 2: the the fact that Tulsi is involved is a signal

501
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Speaker 2: that it's not going to be some responsible, narrow look

502
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Speaker 2: at potential clerical issues from the twenty twenty I mean

503
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Speaker 2: of everything argues against that, But Tulsi's involvement, given that

504
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Speaker 2: she is the Director of National Intelligence, tells you that

505
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Speaker 2: they are exploring some sort of bonkers Venezuela, Italian, Chinese

506
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Speaker 2: whatever conspiracy theory, which again, as Griffin started the segment

507
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Speaker 2: by saying, Trump is posting or maybe you said it, Emily,

508
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Speaker 2: Trump is posting these insane things on true social right now,

509
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Speaker 2: so we know where his mind is at and what

510
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Speaker 2: he's looking to get on of this.

511
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Speaker 3: And this is part of the problem with like the

512
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Speaker 3: Trump era in general, is that the dominion voting situation

513
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Speaker 3: in venezuel Like it is legitimate, Like why the story

514
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Speaker 3: of the voting machines is just like, it's so stupid

515
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Speaker 3: and ridiculous.

516
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Speaker 4: The story of.

517
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Speaker 6: Fulton County in twenty twenty, it's so stupid and ridiculous.

518
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Speaker 6: But then it gets built into this crazy like conspiracy

519
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Speaker 6: theory about foreign actors and a concerted effort to steal

520
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Speaker 6: the election from Donald Trump with counting mismatched county residencies

521
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Speaker 6: and all of that and you just put the picture

522
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Speaker 6: together the way that Trump talks about it or Sidney

523
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Speaker 6: Powell was talking about it, and you're like.

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Speaker 3: Holy smokes.

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Speaker 6: But because there are these like origin stories that if

526
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Speaker 6: you can pull up the thread, you're like, why are

527
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Speaker 6: we doing because we did so many stupid things, it's

528
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Speaker 6: it makes it more powerful with people who want to

529
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Speaker 6: believe that there was some grand conspiracy to have people

530
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Speaker 6: in Georgia like vote where they shouldn't be because they

531
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Speaker 6: moved six months ago or something like that.

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Speaker 3: So that great.

533
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Speaker 4: The twenty twenty stuff is going to look cute when

534
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Speaker 4: we go to twenty twenty eight. In every cat you know,

535
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 4: every county clerk is on polymarket betting for the election.

536
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Speaker 4: So it's a really good point.

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Speaker 3: That's a really.

538
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Speaker 4: Every election is going to be the most trusted election

539
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 4: of all time and compared to twenty twenty eight. So

540
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: get excited for that, everybody. So we want to move

541
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 4: on to a little more ice stuff. So Trump was

542
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Speaker 4: asked about Springfield, Ohio. Now Springfield, Ohio, for those who

543
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Speaker 4: don't remember, was the eating the cats and dogs topic

544
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 4: during the twenty twenty four election. JD Vance announcing directional

545
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Speaker 4: truth as sort of a strategy for the Trump administration

546
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Speaker 4: that I thought was quite honest. But now Trump was

547
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 4: asked if Ice is going to be going into Springfield

548
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Speaker 4: to I guess start deporting the Haitian population that lives there.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 3: I mean already, well, let we see what's happening.

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Speaker 4: Springfield is not a happy place with what they did Springfield.

552
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Speaker 5: I love Springfield, Ohio.

553
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Speaker 4: I won Springfield, Ohio.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, during the Biden administration they did great damage

555
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Speaker 2: to Springfield.

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Speaker 4: So we've got that here, and before we react to that,

557
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Speaker 4: I also wanted to pull up the House. Democrats have

558
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Speaker 4: released a new set of demands for what they want

559
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 4: DHS to change and if they're going to fund them

560
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: and the government. Some of the bullet point list here

561
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 4: if you can't see it on screen. Ensure icen CBP

562
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 4: immediately leave Minneapolis and stop terrorizing citizens and arrest without

563
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 4: judicial warrants. Ensure full and pendent transparent into investigations into

564
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 4: DHS related shootings and detention and deportation of US citizens.

565
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: What a big ask. And the anonymity of federal agents.

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Speaker 4: Ensure robust minimum standards at detention facilities. Those are the

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Speaker 4: main ones. Here. What are we to expect with what

568
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 4: seems to be the upcoming Springfield raid.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's worth noting, you know, most of

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Speaker 2: most of the migrants in Springfield, Ohio are Haitian. Most

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Speaker 2: of them had temporary protected status. Although there'd be a

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Speaker 2: variety of different you know, time periods, when people move there,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, and you know, the legal framework would be

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Speaker 2: different for different people, but that is the vast majority.

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Speaker 2: There was just an appeals court ruling saying that when

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Speaker 2: Christy noam ended temporary protected status for Venezuelans and for Haitians,

577
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Speaker 2: that that was done unlawfully. However, that policy may still

578
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Speaker 2: be may still be enforced while those appeals play out.

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Speaker 2: So this was an appeals court ruling. So you're already

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Speaker 2: at sort of like a higher level. I suspect this

581
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Speaker 2: will ultimately go to the Supreme Court, but I believe

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Speaker 2: there's status if you you know, buy that know them

583
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: did this lawfully and something like February third, And that's

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Speaker 2: why the expectation is that they're going to move in

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Speaker 2: quickly to Springfield, Ohio to make good on what we're

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Speaker 2: effectively there like campaign threats against this migrant population and

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Speaker 2: I you know, fully expect, given how slow and impotent

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Speaker 2: the courts have been in many cases, and how much

589
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Speaker 2: this administration just.

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Speaker 5: Routinely, routinely, routini routinely.

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Speaker 2: Flouts whatever the court's rule, that you know, this is

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Speaker 2: a very real possibility that they begin sweeping people up

593
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Speaker 2: and trying to deport them while this continues to make

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Speaker 2: its way through the court process.

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Speaker 6: So the TPS ruling is really important here. And that's

596
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Speaker 6: why Trump even remembers probably the name Springfield, Ohio.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like that question.

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Speaker 6: I don't know who asked that question, but that sounds

599
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Speaker 6: like one of those questions people sometimes like someone's like, hey,

600
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Speaker 6: you should ask about Springfield, Like someone in the admin

601
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 6: is like, hey, you should ask about Springfield. But Springfield's

602
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 6: local process covering this, like here's a headline from the

603
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Speaker 6: Springfield New Sun that says, fear grip Springfield Haitians on

604
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Speaker 6: the cusp of losing legal status to live work in

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Speaker 6: the city that they love, and people probably member this

606
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 6: was kind of vaulted into the public's attention by a

607
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 6: New York Times story originally that was fairly nuanced about

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Speaker 6: how this relatively small community of Springfield had been absolutely

609
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Speaker 6: swamped with a influx that I think it was like

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00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 6: a tanema feel like, or it was equivalent to like

611
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Speaker 6: twenty five percent of the population of Springfield had.

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Speaker 3: Come in a really short period of time.

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Speaker 6: There was a school bus accident where people were killed

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Speaker 6: Haitian driver, and the community was super super divided over

615
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Speaker 6: what had happened.

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Speaker 3: And also at the.

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Speaker 6: Same time you had business owners being like, the Haitians

618
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 6: are great workers, They're filling these jobs, and it was

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Speaker 6: you know, that's that's what originally had everybody talking about Springfield, Ohio.

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Speaker 6: And then Rufo went in and what there was.

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Speaker 3: Like a cat bae barbecued ten miles away, Like that

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Speaker 3: is that am I remembering correctly?

623
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Speaker 2: It was like, yeah it was, but he claimed it was.

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Speaker 2: And there was like a picture of someone holding a goose.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it was just the yeah.

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00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 4: That's average j for that's an average RFK story. I

627
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 4: thought we liked that stuff.

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Speaker 6: I mean, but the bottom line is the community had

629
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Speaker 6: genuinely been like there was a serious problem in Springfield.

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Speaker 6: While I think that is it's fair to say the

631
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 6: community was divided over it, there was a huge anytime

632
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Speaker 6: you have a huge influx of people who are coming

633
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Speaker 6: in a short period of time, not native speakers, Like,

634
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 6: it's just going to be a tough process, and Springfield

635
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 6: was undergoing that obviously. And this this TPS thing is

636
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 6: super interesting because a lot of the Haitians were coming

637
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 6: from Chile or Argentina or Brazil because after twenty ten,

638
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 6: they had already moved out of Haiti, Like there's mass

639
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 6: displacement after twenty ten, and under normal circumstances, Cubans, Haitians,

640
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 6: Venezuelans had pretty good asylum claims and refugee claims when

641
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 6: they were crossing into the US. But in the Biden administration,

642
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 6: you had a lot of economic migrants, Like I talked

643
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 6: to Haitian who had spent months in the streets in

644
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 6: Reinosa like a cartel town, because they were so desperate

645
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 6: to come into the US that they were literally like

646
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 6: camping outside picking up jobs, and people around town were

647
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 6: like those Haitians are such hard workers and the reason

648
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 6: is that they wanted to come into the US. And

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00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 6: so that created these new pathways. And it's just going

650
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 6: to suck because there's people like you's thinking about Cubans

651
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 6: and Venezuelan's and people another kid I met. He showed

652
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Speaker 6: me his scar he was Cuban from being beat during

653
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Speaker 6: the July eleventh protests.

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Speaker 3: That's what he said happened. And that's when he left Cuba.

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Speaker 6: And it's like, there are people with legitimate asylum claims

656
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Speaker 6: who are going to be kicked out of the country probably.

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Speaker 5: Well or there's also.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's also and uh no one has

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Speaker 2: done a better job of explaining this than our own

660
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Speaker 2: Ryan Graham. There's also the fact that, like in all

661
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Speaker 2: three of those instances, Haiti, Cuba, and Venezuela, a good

662
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Speaker 2: part of the reason why those countries are so fucked.

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Speaker 5: Up it's because of us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we've you know, Haiti, we have never

665
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Speaker 2: stopped messing around with their politics and screwing them.

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Speaker 5: I mean from the founding.

667
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Speaker 2: From the original Slaver Volt through to the present day,

668
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Speaker 2: we've never stopped screwing them over. So it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: if you don't want refugees to come to our country,

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Speaker 2: why don't you stop creating refugee crises that force people

671
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Speaker 2: to leave. Like most people want to stay in their

672
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: home country. They're not excited about moving to you know,

673
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: like America's a great country, but people like to stay

674
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Speaker 2: where they're from. It's easier their families there, like they

675
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: do know the culture. They don't get attacked by president

676
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: who's racist and hateful from the stage and have all

677
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: of this shit happened to them. So, I mean, that's

678
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: the thing that I get so disgusted with. And you

679
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: know that you see, you know, now we're taking over

680
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: Venezuela and it's like, okay, and if this doesn't work out,

681
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: you're gonna have another flood of Venezuela migrants that you're

682
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Speaker 2: all going to fucking demonize, and you're gonna forget that

683
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: ten seconds ago. You know, we were the ones causing

684
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Speaker 2: that problem. So the whole thing just U discussed me

685
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: from the lies and the blatant racism around it to

686
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: the you know, complete erasure and ignorance around our country's

687
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: own repeated interventions there that helped to create the chaos

688
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Speaker 2: that these people are fleeing because Haiti has become I mean,

689
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Speaker 2: it is you know, there are massive, massive problems and

690
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 2: violence and poverty and all of that. So in any case,

691
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Speaker 2: you know, I think probably the you know, the assumption

692
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Speaker 2: that they're going into Springfield next is correct, and Griffin,

693
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Speaker 2: let's before Torre jumps in here, let's just real quick

694
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Speaker 2: play the one where Trump says that they're not backing

695
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Speaker 2: down whatever whatsoever in terms of Minneapolis.

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Speaker 5: So we can just react to that quickly as well.

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Speaker 4: I want to keep our country shafe.

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Speaker 7: We'll do whatever we can to keep our country shave.

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Speaker 4: So no, none at all, not.

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Speaker 2: At all, not at all, and that details with he

701
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Speaker 2: just posted on true social some like unhinged greed about

702
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Speaker 2: Alex Pretty being an insurrectionist and blah blah blah. So

703
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: you know, I think there was a moment of Susie

704
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 2: Wiles or Trump himself recognizing Democrats had a bit of

705
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: leverage when it came to the government funding. Democrats have

706
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: all but already given up that leverage, and so now

707
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Speaker 2: Trump can just go back to like, no, it's all

708
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: systems go. We're not doing anything different, you know, it's

709
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Speaker 2: we're going to continue in this in the same direction.

710
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Speaker 2: We're not changing course whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I noticed when those demands, like it's like

712
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Speaker 4: the going back to the House Democrat demands, they're basically saying,

713
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Speaker 4: please follow the rules. But they're way past that, like

714
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Speaker 4: they the base wants you to say we're going to

715
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Speaker 4: start prosecuting you guys like fun.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it has to be it has to be funding,

717
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: Like you have to deal with the funding because yeah,

718
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Speaker 2: I mean one of the demands is literally, don't deport

719
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Speaker 2: us citizens. But that's already illegal, Like how are we

720
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Speaker 2: negotiating over this?

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Speaker 5: Or even though you a warrant thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like, that's already a violation of the Fourth Amendments.

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Speaker 2: So what are we doing here? But you know, I mean,

724
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Speaker 2: they're whatever. So I think I said from the beginning,

725
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Speaker 2: I thought that the posture and the switching of Greg

726
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Speaker 2: Bavino out Tom Homan in. Tom Homan is no softy

727
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: or sweetheart either. He architected the Child's Operation policy during

728
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: the original Trump administration that this would be war for show.

729
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that the reality on the ground. And

730
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Speaker 2: maybe Minneapolis might not change because they realize they're getting

731
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Speaker 2: some court decisions against them, Maybe they go to a

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Speaker 2: different place, maybe at Springfield, Ohio.

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Speaker 5: The overall thrust is baked in.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is a core like part

735
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Speaker 2: and parcel of what this administration is up to, not

736
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Speaker 2: only with regard to immigration, but with regard to this

737
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: sort of like show of force against their and and

738
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: warfare that they see it as like warfare being waged

739
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Speaker 2: against their political opponents.

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Speaker 6: Just what's up on the screen right now is this

741
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Speaker 6: is I was a like a migrant detention, not detention,

742
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Speaker 6: a migrant like nonprofit place. It was like a Catholic

743
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Speaker 6: nonprofit in Texas. And what their show on the screen.

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Speaker 6: These Haitian men who haven't lived in Haiti for a

745
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Speaker 6: long time since like twenty ten, are showing their asylum

746
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Speaker 6: papers and they were years and years into the future.

747
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Speaker 6: And so that's just this is just to say like

748
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Speaker 6: like three years. I think in some of these cases,

749
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Speaker 6: one of them might have had a five year court

750
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Speaker 6: date into the future. And all that is just to say,

751
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Speaker 6: like there was a real expectation that people could build

752
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Speaker 6: lives here and here's and that's why you know, there

753
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Speaker 6: are a lot of people who don't. Communities were just

754
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 6: thrust into such weird positions. Here's a group of Haitians

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Speaker 6: in right now. So people can go watch this if

756
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 6: they want, but it's people saying they were trying to

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Speaker 6: explain in English, like why they were sleeping outside.

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Speaker 3: I think that was the question.

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Speaker 6: And at one point it was clear that they were

760
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Speaker 6: like struggling to come up with the words, and I said, oh,

761
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Speaker 6: the American dream, and then they all lit up and

762
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Speaker 6: they were like, yes.

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Speaker 3: The American dream.

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Speaker 6: And so this is where you're going to see communities

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Speaker 6: like Springfield once again be absolutely like divided and chaotic

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Speaker 6: because a lot of people have had great haitil workers

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Speaker 6: in their communities and they have been there for a

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00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 6: very very long time now, like several years, and other

769
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Speaker 6: people who are going to say get them all out,

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Speaker 6: and it's just going to be, Yeah, it's about to

771
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Speaker 6: get It's not de escalating, it's about to get.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, one last note with regard to that, because that's

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Speaker 2: a genuine problem. You know that there was such a

775
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Speaker 2: backlock in the system so people could come in and

776
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Speaker 2: whether their asylum claim was legit or not, they could

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Speaker 2: claim the asylum and then have the confidence. It's going

778
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Speaker 2: to take years before I ever, this zever gets really

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Speaker 2: worked out. By that time, I'm established, I've made some

780
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Speaker 2: money and been able to send whatever the one big

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Speaker 2: beautiful bill that Sir flooded Ice with ungodly amounts of money,

782
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Speaker 2: making it the best funded law enforcement agency in history,

783
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Speaker 2: making immigration enforcement budget larger than the military budgets of

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Speaker 2: every country except our own and China. Okay, that bill

785
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 2: explicitly limits the number of immigration that are allowed to exist.

786
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: So if your goal is to speed up that process

787
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Speaker 2: and make that streamline and run more efficiently, that's something

788
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Speaker 2: I'm for.

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Speaker 5: Like, I support that.

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Speaker 2: I think that is a smart and sense something that

791
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: it seems like everyone should get on board with. But

792
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Speaker 2: they go in the opposite direction and say, no, we

793
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: want to limit the legal pathways for people to be

794
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Speaker 2: able to have their asylum claims adjudicated, and instead we

795
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: want to explore all of the ways that we can

796
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Speaker 2: avoid due process and mass ship people out or scare

797
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: them out with our cruelty. That's the direction that we

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Speaker 2: want to go in. And so I think it's important

799
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Speaker 2: for people to understand that is built in, that is

800
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Speaker 2: like at the beating heart of their approach. And again,

801
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: it's not just about immigration. It's about this show of

802
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: force in the streets. It's about them truly believing their

803
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: like left of center opponents as being some like network

804
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Speaker 2: of domestic terrorists must be quashed and assaulted and defeated

805
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: and arrested and scared et cetera, which you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the Don Lemon thing that we started with fits in

807
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Speaker 2: with that whole, that whole conception of how they're approaching

808
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Speaker 2: things as well.

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Speaker 4: Well. Speaking of legal status, that leads us nicely to

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00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: Nicki minaj and her new Trump Gold card, which will

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Speaker 4: lead us also nicely to our guest.

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Speaker 2: So, Tori, Nicki Minaje has been doing this whole maga

813
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Speaker 2: maga tour. She she did the whole Erica Kirk moment.

814
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Speaker 2: She now just had like a big Trump moment. He

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Speaker 2: gave her the gold card to settle her immigration status.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people's assumption is that her

817
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Speaker 2: husband and her brother are in some legal trouble and

818
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Speaker 2: perhaps this is like an attempt to get in his

819
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Speaker 2: good graces for a possible pardon or something of that nature.

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Speaker 5: What is your here?

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Speaker 2: Does this maga turn from Nikki come out of nowhere

822
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 2: to you? Or does this seem like something that makes

823
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Speaker 2: sense given the way that she's positioned herself.

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Speaker 8: The turn does come out of nowhere, except that we

825
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 8: know that she's a long term Green card holder who

826
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 8: clearly wanted to change that status and saw and knew

827
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Speaker 8: that in this administration, you can kiss the ring and

828
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Speaker 8: get almost anything, while so we get this bizarre split

829
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 8: screen of poorer immigrants are running for their lives and

830
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Speaker 8: getting deported and beaten and shot in the streets, while

831
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Speaker 8: a rich immigrant gets a pathway to citizenship in an

832
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Speaker 8: administration where you can be at the courthouse going through

833
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Speaker 8: the proper steps and they arrest you and detain you.

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Speaker 8: But she has had a green card and now she

835
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Speaker 8: just gets a pathway. I don't believe that citizenship should

836
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Speaker 8: be sold as a luxury, goodly as a personal choice

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Speaker 8: of the leader that he happens to like you. You

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Speaker 8: have kissed the ring, you have shown sufficient deference to

839
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Speaker 8: his political perspective, so you get to be a citizen.

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Speaker 8: I think becoming an American citizen should be much more egalitarian,

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00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 8: should be much more of a broader opportunity for a

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00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 8: widespread of Americans, widespread of non Americans who don't necessarily

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Speaker 8: have to suggest that they love personally the president to

844
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Speaker 8: get a citizenship.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'd like to stop you right there, because there

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Speaker 4: are questions if this gold card is even real. As

847
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Speaker 4: reporting from the New York Times, this actually may not

848
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Speaker 4: have conferred any legal status for her administrations Trump administration

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Speaker 4: officials have said it's more of a token, like it

850
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Speaker 4: was more of like just kind of like a symbolic gift,

851
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 4: a a souvenir, and does not actually confer any legal status. Now,

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00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 4: the gold card costs one million dollars and additional fifteen

853
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 4: grand for a processing fee on top of that, and

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Speaker 4: so Nikki yes has had some sort of legal status,

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Speaker 4: she's not like a full citizen, and she remains not

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00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 4: a full citizen after this token green card. Yeah, we

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Speaker 4: also have a video I want you to react to

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Speaker 4: here to her, to show just a little bit of

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Speaker 4: flavor of the of the meeting.

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Speaker 9: Here, nic, I'm like my favorite present, the best president

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Speaker 9: of our times.

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Speaker 6: I'm with the Queen of.

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Speaker 4: Rep Now is she still? Is she still the Queen?

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Speaker 7: Is that?

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Speaker 4: No? No, not at all.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, part of the thing is that

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Speaker 8: a large portion of her fans are black and brown,

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Speaker 8: A large portion of them are LGBTQ, especially trans. She

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00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 8: has been a trans and gay icon for a while.

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Speaker 8: Isle so you know, we keep talking about how she

871
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 8: has betrayed a large swath of her fan base by

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Speaker 8: doing this, and we don't really, I don't believe that

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Speaker 8: she actually agrees with any of the policies of the

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Speaker 8: Trump administration. I don't think she knows any of the policies.

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Speaker 8: We do know there are people who are like attracted

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Speaker 8: to the personality of Trump, and I guess you know,

877
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 8: you can get to your political side whatever way you want.

878
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 8: But I don't believe she actually knows or cares about

879
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 8: any political ideal at all.

880
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 6: Well, this is what I want to ask about, because

881
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 6: she did during People probably remember this because I mean, honestly,

882
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 6: it was hilarious during COVID she had this infamous post

883
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 6: on next where she said or Twitter at the time,

884
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 6: my cousin in Trinidad won't get the vaccine because his

885
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 6: friend got it and became impotent in his testicles became swollen.

886
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 6: His friend was weeks away from getting married, and now

887
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 6: the girl called off the weddings and just pray on

888
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 6: to make sure you're comfortable with your decision, not bullied.

889
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 5: And there was this like oze injury tweets. Oh my god, there.

890
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 6: There was this like sort of you saw flashes of

891
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 6: this from Nicki Minaj. She says that or she's it

892
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 6: seems like her claim, the charitable claim is that watching

893
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 6: the plight of Nigerian Christians and seeing Trump's reaction to

894
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 6: that has been part of what motivated here here. But

895
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 6: I also wanted to bring up the amber Rose of

896
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 6: it all because Terray, Yeah, so this is amber Rose

897
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 6: who was on a sneak o stream apparently and said

898
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 6: that she's the one who introduced Nicki Minaj to Alex Bruzowitz,

899
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 6: a Trump appointee or not appointee, a Trump advisor outside

900
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 6: of the administration. Technically, I think who then connected Nicki

901
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 6: Minaj to Donald Trump?

902
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 3: And it does seem like.

903
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 6: There's this interesting thing happening, Terray, And maybe it's it

904
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 6: started happening after Butler.

905
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

906
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 6: Where there's there is like this rap community interest in Trump.

907
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 6: Maybe that's after Butler, Like is tell us how amber

908
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 6: Rose fits into all of this?

909
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know. This is more of a

910
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 8: as a personality.

911
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 3: I don't believe.

912
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 8: I don't believe either of them could talk about any

913
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 8: Trump policy, or any Trump philosophy, or any idea of Trump.

914
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 8: I don't believe that they interact with the political spectrum

915
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 8: in the way that we do. As far as ideas

916
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 8: I think they hover over it as far as personality

917
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 8: as far as he seems like a cool strong man,

918
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 8: so then he must be the guy for the job.

919
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: Tori also talk, So, I mean Trump was a fixture

920
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 2: in like hip hop songs before he was a political figure, right,

921
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: And there is in mainstream hip hop there is this

922
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: like veneration of money and power and wealth and capitalism

923
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: that so there is you know, I don't know if

924
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: this necessarily flies with Nicki. So there there is a

925
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 2: thing there that does make a sort of sense because

926
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: his whole brand is being the unvarnished, brash capitalist, billionaire

927
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 2: boss man. And with Nicky specifically, I was watching the

928
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: Bitfruity podcast with Matt Burnstey. I don't know if you

929
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: if you know him or watch him, but he's a

930
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: gay guy, and he did a breakdown with I can't

931
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: remember who his guest was about Nicki's pivot, and they

932
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: were also pointing to the fact that she has been

933
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 2: very jealous of the other women who have come up

934
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: in the rap game and has very been like at times,

935
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: very hostile towards them.

936
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 5: And so for them it.

937
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: Was yes and Megan the stallion, and you know, I

938
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: don't know if there are others as well, but it's like,

939
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 2: rather than having this sort of like you know, feminist

940
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: view of I helped to be the trailblazer here and

941
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: I'm so glad to see these other women follow in

942
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: my footsteps. Instead it's like, fuck, y'all, bitch is like

943
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: this is my domain. So I wonder if you see

944
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: any connection there too with it, you know, that not

945
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: being that surprising that she would have this right wing turn,

946
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: you know, at a time when the movement is explicitly

947
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: the right wing movement is explicitly sort of like anti feminist,

948
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: certainly anti queer, et cetera.

949
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 8: I mean, she is, as you note, a sort of

950
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 8: pivotal figure in modern hip hop history in that she

951
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 8: is the one who sort of emerges and reminds the

952
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 8: labels and the industry that women can be commercially successful,

953
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 8: and the people come after her as far as as

954
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 8: far as Carti, who Emily mentioned, and Megan and Glilla.

955
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 8: We're actually having a huge moment for a lot of

956
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 8: black female rappers. There's also Lotto, there's also Sweedy, there's

957
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 8: a lot of sexy red. Somebody will say there's a

958
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 8: lot of black female rappers at this moment. It's a

959
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 8: huge moment for that demographic.

960
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: And you don't have to be attached to a larger

961
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: male artist for their success.

962
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 5: They are the thing on their own.

963
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

964
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, so it's an interesting moment for that. You know, Yes,

965
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 8: she has not been welcoming to the others. She has

966
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 8: been super competitive and trying to eat up all the space.

967
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 8: I think she's part of this sliver. It's been like

968
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 8: sixteen seventeen, eighteen percent of black people who are willing

969
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 8: to vote for Trump, but that's about the percentage that

970
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 8: had been willing to go Republican for a long time.

971
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 8: It's like three four percent more, but like it's not

972
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 8: a statistically massive difference. There was this sort of media

973
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 8: drumbeat about black men's especially going over to the right.

974
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 8: It happened in a very very small, statistically insignificant amount.

975
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 8: But there is a small group of black people who

976
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 8: are willing to go over there, and Nikki is one

977
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 8: of them. I mean, like, I just you know, I

978
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 8: grew up in a time when Republicans could articulate their

979
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 8: position and I disagreed with them, but they had an

980
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 8: idea when they talked about you know, limited government and taxation.

981
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 8: This group is just reactionary. They're just evil, They're just

982
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 8: hateful towards people who are not them. So the appeal

983
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 8: from a NICKI minaj I don't understand except a personal

984
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 8: transactional I will get you a citizenship or maybe an

985
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 8: honorary citizenship, citizenship, young money.

986
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 4: He's talked about it. Is it citizenship or gardens like like,

987
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 4: do you know much about her husband or her brother,

988
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 4: like to her family, like they're experiencing some level of

989
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 4: criminal charges or what have you? Could could the could

990
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 4: the pardon be the real thing here?

991
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 8: I mean it could you know? I mean that also

992
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 8: has been controlled under Trump as this sort of personal

993
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 8: thing that he gives to you if he likes you,

994
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 8: not if he believes in your case and believes from

995
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 8: a jurisprudential perspective that you deserve relief, but if he

996
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 8: likes you and he personally likes your story. So yeah,

997
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 8: I mean, perhaps we'll see that if she kisses the

998
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 8: ring sufficiently, then her husband, who has you know, horrific

999
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 8: charges from many years ago, if he will get you know,

1000
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 8: magically pardoned or expunged. You know, it's a pay for

1001
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 8: play sort of system. And she didn't even have to

1002
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 8: pay to get into it. It seems that she got

1003
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 8: this for free, like like what are we doing here?

1004
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 6: Well, when you're talking about how it's a lot of

1005
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 6: this vibe based, I was thinking of how in Hollywood

1006
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 6: for a long time there was a sort of vibe base.

1007
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 6: I don't know if conformity is the right word. Maybe

1008
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 6: it is the right word, where it was like Okay, Obama,

1009
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 6: we're back in Obama, or we're backing John Kerry and

1010
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 6: like you keep going back. But it's interesting to me

1011
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 6: that it's kind of flipped in a sense where you

1012
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 6: have now people vibe based going to Trump, and I

1013
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 6: don't think that ever will translate into another Republican.

1014
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: I feel like that's just a Trump phenomenon.

1015
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 6: It's not going to go to jd Vance or Marco Rubio,

1016
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 6: Like you're not gonna see the Nicki Minada.

1017
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe you disagree to it.

1018
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 6: Right like going because to me, it just speaks to

1019
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 6: Trump having this like countercultural whatever we think of, whether

1020
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 6: it's legitimate or not, he has this like countercultural reputation

1021
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 6: as like someone who undermines the system.

1022
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 3: He's going to train the swamp, et cetera.

1023
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 6: And that's never going to trans like it's never going

1024
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 6: to transfer to another Republican.

1025
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, I largely agree with that. I think of Trump

1026
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 8: as an extremely unintelligent person, as in, there's a very

1027
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 8: small ability to analyze and integrate new information. There's a

1028
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 8: very small amount of information in his memory. Like there's

1029
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 8: no subject who you say he is a national or

1030
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 8: a global expert on this subject. But he is an

1031
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 8: interpersonal genius as far as getting a certain kind of

1032
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 8: person to like him. He can speak to their fears,

1033
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 8: he can motivate them and inspire them to follow him.

1034
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 8: It works on a certain swath of America, that's solid

1035
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 8: thirty five percent of America that sticks with him no

1036
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 8: matter what. But he is that, and I think you

1037
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 8: see that on the campaign trail much more than in

1038
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 8: the Oval office. But like, he does have a genius

1039
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 8: for getting on the mic and getting a certain sort

1040
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 8: of person, mostly male, mostly poor, but also rich, mostly white,

1041
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 8: to really really like him and to think he's the guy.

1042
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 8: So there is a genius. There is an interpersonal genius

1043
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 8: that works for him. But I think in any other

1044
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 8: area of intelligence he is completely bereft.

1045
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I also see, like Emily put up that

1046
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: infamous COVID tweet where of course it's mostly like liberals

1047
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: and people left of center that are like, what the

1048
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 2: fuck is wrong with you?

1049
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 5: What is this? Like, what are you talking about?

1050
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 2: And then you know you have also and you could

1051
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: speak to this much more so than I could. This

1052
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 2: is someone who's not at the top of her career, right,

1053
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: And so there's you know that as well, where it's

1054
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: sort of like grasping for relevance. Then you have filtered

1055
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: into that this very variety basket of self interested reasons

1056
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 2: why you want to take this track. And so to me,

1057
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: you know, I've seen a lot like Joe Rogan comes

1058
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 2: to mind also as someone who felt like really demonized

1059
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 2: over things he said around COVID. And then it's like,

1060
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 2: I'm just a right winger now, right, And you know,

1061
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: I've seen other people who basically made that similar turn

1062
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 2: of you know, I feel attacked by the left, therefore

1063
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to flip all of my politics to the right.

1064
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: I don't know that we ever really knew that much

1065
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: about Nikki's politics to start with that, Like, to your point,

1066
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: I don't think she had like a lot of ideological

1067
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 2: grounding to really upend to begin with.

1068
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 5: But it seems to me when you put all.

1069
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: Of those pieces together, I feel attacked by the left.

1070
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 2: I am, you know, sort of grasping for relevance. I

1071
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: have these basket of legal and immigration problems I want

1072
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 2: dealt with. I you know, like being the center of

1073
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: attention on the stage, et cetera. That it kind of

1074
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: like you can see how she ends up traveling this trajectory.

1075
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 8: One thing about hip hop in general is you are

1076
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 8: supposed to get on the mic and tell us about

1077
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 8: who you are, and tell us about where you're from,

1078
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 8: and so we should walk away feeling like we know

1079
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 8: you and what your world is all about. In rock

1080
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 8: and roll, in R and B, you may or may

1081
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 8: not ever know what the person is really about, and

1082
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 8: a lot of the songs are fictional. When somebody says

1083
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 8: I love you in R and B or rock and roll,

1084
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 8: like they're talking to a fictional you. In hip hop weeks,

1085
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 8: if somebody says I love you, they are talking to

1086
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 8: a specific person. Or I hate you, they're talking to

1087
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 8: a specific person. Nicki in particular has always bothered me

1088
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 8: because she never talks about herself. I listened to Nicki's music,

1089
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 8: I don't know anything about her. She's always playing a

1090
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Speaker 8: character and she does the Barbie sort of character.

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Speaker 9: She doesn't, she says, she has like a variety of

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Speaker 9: She's all your egos, right, Yes, she has different characters

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Speaker 9: that she plays over time, and like Beyonce has different erarors,

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Speaker 9: but I feel like they are rooted in who she

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Speaker 9: is Nicki.

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Speaker 8: I feel like she's an actor and she's a theater

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Speaker 8: kid who she's doing different roles. So I'm like, this

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Speaker 8: is the new chapter of Nicki, which is Maga Barbie

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00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 8: as opposed to previously she was Howard Juku Barbie. It's

1100
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 8: none of it is real. It's not a genuine desire

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00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 8: to relate to Trump or trump Ism. It's just this

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Speaker 8: is the new character that is valuable. It gets her attention,

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Speaker 8: it gets her potentially possibly citizenship, possibly a pardon for

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Speaker 8: you know, her husband, and so there's there's value in it.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 8: She's not really making records at this point that are charting,

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00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 8: that are hitting the culture, but here's a way to

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00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 8: get everybody to look at you, which is similar to

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Speaker 8: what Kanye did. And I think I'm sure Kanye is like, well,

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Speaker 8: at least I did it. At the beginning of Trump

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Speaker 8: and not near the you know, near the end or

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Speaker 8: in the middle. I mean, like, I don't know how

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00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 8: you can look at you know, Renee and and Alex

1114
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 8: and say, yeah, I still want to be on that team,

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00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 8: like I joined that team now, Like their stock is

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00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 8: incredibly low, the approval rating is incredibly low. Surely they

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00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 8: are moving toward the end. So you're joining the party now,

1118
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 8: Like I don't understand that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And now to the to the to the Barbs point.

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Speaker 4: Will what is there going to be a Barb's backlash? Now?

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Speaker 4: I'm not so sure because as you you know, you

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00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 4: mentioned yourself on this episode. She has a lot of

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Speaker 4: gay fans, and I know a lot of you know,

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Speaker 4: gay guys that stand a toxic woman. They say, you

1125
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 4: know what, you're being toxic, Go off girl, you know,

1126
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 4: like some people like that. Now, So will she have

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00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 4: a backlash in the Barbs or will the Barbs stand

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Speaker 4: valiantly with her?

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Speaker 8: I think she has all rad He's seen a significant

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Speaker 8: Barb backlash.

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00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 4: If I recall she quit Instagram.

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00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 8: Over this not long ago, that the that people started

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00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 8: attacking her online over this Maga turn and she quit

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00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 8: Instagram because she couldn't handle the comment flow and she

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00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 8: didn't want that to become part of the story. So

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Speaker 8: I do think that the barbs are definitely already responding

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00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 8: in an aggressive way. And I think that the toxicity

1138
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 8: point you mentioned, there's a fun way for someone to

1139
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 8: be toxic, and there's a truly virulent way for someone

1140
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 8: to be toxic. And somebody's who's sort of domineering and

1141
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 8: humiliating is a good toxic And like a woman who's

1142
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 8: like Maga is like, no, that's not fun toxic, that's just.

1143
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 4: Bad toxic.

1144
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 5: Flavors of toxic.

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Speaker 2: Lastly, Toroy wanted to get your reaction to the big

1146
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 2: news that this morning that Don Lemon's been arrested in

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01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: LA over his coverage of this church protest.

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Speaker 5: You know, don don't you?

1149
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: I do? I do.

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Speaker 8: I texted with him about this issue and supported him

1151
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 8: on This is what sixty minutes used to do. That

1152
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 8: recoverage out of that church situation. That's what sixty minutes

1153
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 8: used to do. That's real journalism. The notion that he

1154
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 8: was leading a mob into a church is completely backwards.

1155
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Speaker 8: He was covering a situation that was happening on the ground.

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Speaker 8: This is a politically motivated arrest meant to silence people

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01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 8: like us, and the conversation keeps going to whether or

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01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 8: not they could or should have protested in the church.

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Speaker 8: Don was not protesting in the church. He was media

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Speaker 8: in the church, and generally we protect that. This is

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Speaker 8: this whole story. The whole arrest is protecting against the

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Speaker 8: notion of we have a pastor, a Christian pastor, who

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Speaker 8: is in Ice. So all of this is protecting that man.

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Speaker 4: And if we.

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Speaker 8: Cannot talk about the hypocrisy of a Christian pastor of

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Speaker 8: being an Ice on Sunday talking about love thy neighbor,

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01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 8: help the stranger, would Jesus have joined Ice? Of course,

1168
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 8: not like Jesus was flipping the tables. He put God

1169
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 8: over the state, and being in Ice reverses every Christian principle.

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01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 8: So what those protesters were doing was righteous in calling

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01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 8: attention to his hypocrisy as a Christian and the right

1172
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 8: and the administration has tried to turn this around about

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01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 8: you can't protest inside a church. That is not the

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Speaker 8: crux of this issue at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I would also know they haven't treated churches as

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01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 2: sort of like sanctified spaces because they've done immigration raids,

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Speaker 2: and you know, suplicitly overturned previous policy to do immigration

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Speaker 2: raids during church services as well.

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Speaker 8: We are not investigating the man who show renee the

1180
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 8: man who shot Alex, but we are investigating Don Lemon,

1181
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 8: a journalist with a microphone who interviewed people on the

1182
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 8: scene of an ongoing story like yeah, well, and.

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Speaker 2: Anyone can watch the live stream you know, it's I

1184
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: believe still posted on his channel. If you are concerned

1185
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 2: that he was taking part in the pro that he

1186
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: was leading them into the building that he was serving,

1187
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: you know, just as an activist and not as a journalist,

1188
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 2: like you can go watch it for yourself and make

1189
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 2: your own determinations because it's it's actually was quite helpful

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Speaker 2: having him there and interviewing the people that were there

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Speaker 2: and getting, you know, all of their perspectives, including the

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Speaker 2: pastor who was there, not the ice pastor, a different

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Speaker 2: pastor who was there leading services and obviously was very

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Speaker 2: upset by the protest.

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Speaker 3: Toy.

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Speaker 2: Tell people where they can find you and support all

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01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: of your great work all.

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Speaker 3: Over the place.

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Speaker 8: I'm on TikTok at Tore show, I'm on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: You've been you noticed any censorship over at TikTok last

1201
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 2: week you had problems.

1202
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Speaker 4: I haven't.

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01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 8: There was a couple of days when they told us

1204
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 8: not to post because the app was not working. I

1205
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 8: do see an influx in these text only posts that

1206
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 8: are like pro ice and sort of mocking liberals and

1207
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 8: that sort of thing. I haven't seen that, although you

1208
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 8: know somebody I really like, I believe Hawk Eye was

1209
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 8: his name, who is a great liberal creator and quite

1210
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 8: often spend his time platforming other people. If he liked

1211
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 8: a post of mine or a video of somebody else's

1212
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 8: always liberals, he would like, you know, throw them up

1213
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 8: so give them more visibility. They banned him permanently, and

1214
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 8: you know, this is just you know, a guy just

1215
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 8: you know, fighting the good fight and just spreading good

1216
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 8: common sense messages. And it's frightening to see him get

1217
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 8: banned permanently. So that's that's been the biggest change that

1218
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 8: I've noticed in the recent days.

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Speaker 5: Gotcha, But and in case I interrupted your pitch, TikTok where.

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Speaker 7: Else, no TikTok and TikTok YouTube TikTok for now and

1221
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Speaker 7: on substack as well.

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Speaker 5: All right, Toreri, thank you so much. Great to see you,

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Speaker 5: my friend, Nice to see.

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1225
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